Monday Morning Tomahawks 06.25.09
by Bud Elliott on Jun 25, 2009 9:00 AM EDT
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Let's start with some good news. Foster kids get a helping hand from FSU's Myron Rolle -- OrlandoSentinel.com Way to go Myron!
Apparently incoming Freshman Linebacker C.J. Mizell is looking into Hargrave Academy for the Fall Semester and enroll in spring (Hargrave is a prep school). That's just fine by me. Mizell is ultra-talented but if he doesn't get himself squared away with academics and behavior he isn't going anywhere. I've seen the pictures of what Mizell did to coach Jerry Odom before being forced to leave Georgia high school athletics and it was not pretty. To be clear, I want Mizell in Garnet and Gold, but only if he is prepared to at least pretend to be a student athlete. Mizell has taken his SAT/ACT enough times that his score will almost certainly be flagged by the NCAA clearing house. If he goes to prep school, they will force him to study for a few hours a day and instill some discipline in him. Prep school could be a good thing for this young linebacker. If he came to FSU this season, he wouldn't see much playing time and if he got in trouble it would look bad on the 'Noles. If he get's in trouble at prep school, that's not on FSU. Here's hoping he does get in to FSU, but if he doesn't, prep school might not be the worst thing for him. Perception matters.
Since people have been asking me about this... I asked around for clarification. Dan Hicks (son of Dan Footman) is not playing linebacker. His locker is apparently in the linebacker's section- because they ran out of lockers.
Gresham not considered for Fullback spot, yet| Tallahassee Democrat
Much more inside!
I caught a lot of heat for the Maurice Harris article. People wrote that he had won an academic improvement award and that he does community service. The article was poorly written. I was up late when the news broke and I should have held it until the morning to make sure it read well. I also should have clarified that I was talking about his value to the team- not his value as a person. The comments about his slacker attitude and immature behavior on the field stand.
The idea behind the article stands, however, and that is that FSU isn't fully committed to winning yet. They are close, but that full commitment is not there. Elite programs like LSU, UF, Alabama, and USC find ways to remove the guys who don't pan out. We all know about the 2007 recruiting class and how it is a major drag on this program. I'm told that when Jeff Bowden was fired along with the offensive staff, that Jimbo Fisher and the new staff didn't want several of the kids who had committed to the old coaches. Bobby Bowden wouldn't let them pull the offers to the kids. Among those were Cameron Wade, who we recently argued should be kicked off for his terrible attitude and lack of talent. Forcing Fisher's hand was one of the first signs that Bobby wasn't totally comfortable with the Fisher deal.
Again, don't expect FSU to be great until the entire program is committed to winning. That means players who do not develop, lack effort, and put FSU in a bad light must go. It's all about roster churning and being able to sift through the largest talent pool possible. I do think FSU is close, but Bowden is a huge step behind the other elite coaches in the game. The nice guy act doesn't work when everyone else is playing a different game.
For more on this, let's turn to Jeff Cameron, who had a great two days of show for 1270theteam (AM Radio, Tallahassee- streaming). Here are the audio clips from 1270theteam.com:
Clip 1 Clip 2 (why Smiley will beat these charges but should still be booted- he sucks) & Clip 3 (w/ Ira)
Speaking of radio, make sure to check out WRFV - 910AM The Dream- The Mike Davis Show, streaming live covering South Georgia Sports and Florida State!
Spring Practice Central- Seminoles.com put up a great compilation of spring practice clips, pictures, and re-caps. Much better organization guys!
Counting down the ACC's top 30 players: No. 8 - ACC - ESPN No. 8. Rodney Hudson, OG, Florida State, Jr. 6-2, 285. Good, except she inexplicaply put Clemson's Thomas Austin above Hudson because Austin is like some sort of volunteer or something. Heather Dinich: still never played a down of football.
Orlando Sentinel - Terry Bowden on brother Jeff: He "got blamed for everything" by
Terry says Blame Bobby not Jeff. Actually, blame both.
Orlando Sentinel - More on the budget (Carter)
Some highlights from the proposed budget that the Florida State athletic committee endorsed earlier today.
FSU's White didn't live up to his own expectations | tallahassee.com | Tallahassee Democrat
"I know I wasn't as strong as I need to be," he said. "Everybody knows my work ethic, but to be complete I feel like I need to get stronger. I'm working on it." It hasn't been easy for White, according to FSU strength coach Todd Stroud, but he's starting to see positive results out of the junior defensive end. "Some guys are weight-lifting guys and have the ability — with the way God made them with their tendons and ligaments — to develop a lot of power very fast," Stroud said. "He is not as gifted as a weight-lifter. But he's very explosive from the waist down. His upper body is behind where it should be, but he's made a lot of strides." Maybe Florida State's talented No. 98 can make enough strides to have himself the same type of season No. 99 had last season for the Seminoles. "He wasn't the best at what he did when he got here, either," White said of Brown, who was picked by the Carolina Panthers in the second round of the 2009 Draft. "But when he realized it was time to kick it in, he got everything together. "… I know when my time to stand out is going to come. I know it's going to come. And I'll be ready for it."
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I didn't see anything wrong with the article on Mr. Harris.
There seems to be a lot of nonsense behind this story, but regardless of whose scooter it is and what happened to the stupid boot, he put himself in that position.
How far would you go to win?
Does being “fully committed to winning” mean taking a Saban-esque approach? I hope we don’t ever cross the line to a “win at all costs” mind set. Personally, I hope Bowden always remains the “nice guy.” Do compassion, kindness and loyalty have any place in college football? Now, regarding Harris, I think you may be right about him. Even in a program that fosters kindness and loyalty, “players who do not develop, lack effort, and put FSU in a bad light must go” sounds reasonable.
Getting rid of players with bad attitudes and lacking talent...
is being nice to the other 70+ kids that committed to your program and want to win. I do agree, however, that I don’t want the program ran like Saban does his. He’s a short term guy. Win now at any cost, promise the world, he doesn’t care. He’ll be moving on to the next job in a few years anyway. I’d like Jimbo to stick around for awhile…
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
Does being "fully committed to winning" mean taking a Saban-esque approach?
Yes, but you could call it Urbanesque or Carol-esque.
Do compassion, kindness and loyalty have any place in college football?
Sure, to some extent they do and you have to consider each kid on an individual basis. This idea of being very reluctant to cut kids that Bowden has hurts us because other teams are able to consistently bring in more talented players by way of getting rid of the kids who don’t develop.
It also hurts the individual
Being held accountable for your actions as an individual. It’s called life.
I’m not saying that players shouldn’t be afforded the opportunity to fail a couple times on the field. But at some point, when the player isn’t listening, isn’t working, isn’t improving, you have to move on.
We’ve all worked with someone who comes in late, does nothing, leaves early and gets the same reward as everyone else.
Q about Gresham at FB
The article says he hasn’t been approached by coaches to play FB. Are coaches allowed any contact with players during the summer? Can anyone explain the level of interaction the players may have with position coaches during the offseason?
Danke.
Q about Gresham at FB
I’ve heard before that in the offseason position coaches could not work with the player, but that essentially the strength and conditioning coaches and assists could work with the player including working on drills and technique. This came up last year when there was talk of making Stroud and T Buck into assistants. Take it for what it is worth, I’m only repeating what someone with more knowledge on the subject stated.
Also spoken about recently was the distinct advantage that Jimbo Fisher has on other schools in that while HC’s can’t visit players he can and we all know Jimbo is essentially the HC. When Jimbo walks in the door you know who you are speaking with as far as the future is concerned and therefore it means a lot more when offering that S/A a scholarship.
These are both great situations that I had no idea of previously.
by BucaNole on Jun 25, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's Thursday Guys
"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't." - General George S. Patton
I know it's a joke
a stupid joke, but a joke nonetheless.
"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't." - General George S. Patton
Dont scare me like this guyz
Im still at the beach and dont want to go back to work. Im not keeping up with the days. Not cool man not cool.
JK I could care less but Why do the radio guys have to talk about Jon and kate NO ONE CARES ABOUT THEM.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
sorry but my wife and I got into this
Funny amarica is cares more about Jon and kate than there boys in Iraq it seams. I just cant fall for it. But thats life I dont thing we should get into that.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
BTW Bud
Why all the hate for HD? She’s not that bad. The not playing football thing is a joke. Lots of male writers never played a down either.
That’s like saying you can’t write about FSU games, unless you’re their each week.
"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't." - General George S. Patton
Seriously?
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
Yes Seriously
She’s far from perfect, but at least there’s an ACC update a couple of times a day from her. It’s easy to be up to date on the Noles when that’s all you cover. When it’s 12 teams and a deadline, it’s not so easy.
"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't." - General George S. Patton
Very far from perfect
I am sure she doesn’t do if for free. Not to mention she isn’t really giving much in depth info on those 12 teams, half the time she is just linking to other articles written by other people and throwing her two cents worth in. If you look at half the posts she has about FSU in the last few months probably 1/3 of each on of them is just rehashing each arrest, the cheating scandal, the fight in the union, and the NCAA appeal of vacated wins.
"No, like I said, Woo peed on my rug" - The Dude
And that's basically been
the news at FSU… what else is she going to write about?
"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't." - General George S. Patton
I just think she does a poor job with her research.
by Bud Elliott on Jun 25, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree here
Her “Hope/Concern” article said that Brandon Davis and Blake Snider will be duking it out for the RG spot. That’s just not true. While Furlong did get a lot of snaps last year at the position, it was David Spurlock who took over after Furlong’s ankle injury. It is Spurlock’s to lose. It’s the RT position that is up for grabs (Sanders, Greenlee, possibly Faircloth et al.).
The fact that she did not play football
suggests she has a better chance at writing something legibly and well-researched.
I think she does a fair job considering her task.
And it degenerates into a would you hit it post...
lord.
"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't." - General George S. Patton
I would argue...
that it’s ascending into a “would you hit it” post…
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
I can't believe you interpreted it that way.
Honestly NoleCC, women aren’t going to read what we post here. Noted that you’re so sensitive though. :) (By the way, I’m hoping this includes my wife today. Ahem. And no honey, if you do read this, I wouldn’t touch Heather Dinich with A.J. Nicholson’s – nevermind.)
sad
You know at least she has a great job. She has topics given to her, she gets to go to the best ACC game of the week which means shes going to a Few FSU games that I can make it to. and she hot enouth that you guys talk about hit it or not. (I wouldnt and Im in the Army) So she must be doing something right or the 4 letter net. would have droped her. I just dont think she like FSU. She seems all about Miami and UNC
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
Rightfully so
Miami and UNC are more interesting than FSU until Bowden retires.
"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't." - General George S. Patton
Dinich favors Maryland over anyone else
because she spent time covering them
by NoleThruandThru on Jun 25, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Umm, exactly how is Miami interesting?
Especially more so than FSU?
I find it interesting that they hired Patrick Nix as an offensive coordinator, that sure was a hoot. Too bad it didn’t last…
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
Same here, I'd probably hit it too. But then again speaking of Jon & Kate, and now that Jon is out of the way, I'd hit Kate too, but only if the little rugrats were watching. So there is no accounting for my taste.
But not to change the subject, you gotta know it’s driving him nuts, and that Mr. Meticulous Chuck, the locker room Czar, must be really pissed about
Dan Hicks (son of Dan Footman) is not playing linebacker. His locker is apparently in the linebacker’s section- because they ran out of lockers.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
Hmm, that sucks for Dan.
I guess he will have to keep it extra clean being in that area then as it seems Chuck’s only reason for drawing a paycheck is his weekly locker inspections.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
What NoleCC, you wanna marry her?
Discussion on ‘hittin’ it’ is one thing… And the problem is her blog is a rehashed aggregator site, with some generic human interest and a unicorn or two thrown in. Google news search provides as much. It is what it is, and I do check it out – after I come here and do a Google news search…
No thanks
I’m already married, outpunted my coverage on that one. My point is that I don’t get the hate, when her blogs, although somewhat obvious, are harmless. What’s the point?
"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't." - General George S. Patton
You know, it's entirely possible Uncensored's the one with the crush.
When I was a wee lad with my eye on a girl, I would pretend really hard not to like her. Unfortunately, this tactic was just as effective as when I later in life began to reveal my interest to women, which is to say, not very effective. Let’s cut to the chase and just promise me that if anything happens between you two you won’t pull a Scott Bentley on this girl. Because just the thought of this audio has scarred me for life, right up there with NoleCC “outpunting his coverage.”
Dinich on YouTube...
Pretty funny actually…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SP4DMIRjm4
I agree that it’s an aggregator site but that’s why I come here. I wouldn’t expect much more analysis from any writer covering 12 teams. The ESPN blogs are for more casual readers in my opinion…
Wow, we kid around here, but did you see some of the comments from the really cool guys who post at YouTube?
omicron2007 would do “horrible unspeakable things to her?” Really? Because unless either a) his standards are pretty low for someone who spends a lot of time fantasizing or b) he’s referring to aggravated assault on a woman, I think he and his gentleman friends have gone a bit overboard there.
So yesterday
I was at Garnet and Gold, and they put all the 99 jerseys on 50% off sale because Everette was drafted in the second round. I got myself a 30$ Jacobbi jersey.
The road white Vince Williams jerseys were cheap, too.
The sizes for all of them were too big, however. I need something to replace SMURF this year.
Crud.
I was at the one in Governor’s Square. I should’ve check all over town. If yours was from the Mall, I’m an idget.
:o)
G&G is pretty good at putting their Nike gear at 50% off after the season is over. I found out the hard way, paid full price for a Nike polo at Bills, to then find it half off at G&G later on that day. It was the day of the spring game. Would have gotten a refund but had already ripped the tag off. That purchase spoiled my weekend! Could have two nice polo’s for the price of one, dadgummit!
Never again will I shop at Bills.
nice
just never understood why Bills had the same product at full price and G&G had it at 50% off. No offense to you but I was bitter, lol
Remember selling back your textbooks for like 6 bucks?
And then buying a USED book for next semester….80 bucks? Bigger mark-ups than George Jung.
I only get to make it to Telly about once a year
right at x-mis time. what is better Bills or G&G. Also can you get stuff online from them. Was looking for the nike FSU straw hat. Sounds stupied but men need to keep the sun off me at the beach.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
Don't know about Bills, but I know you can order online from G&G
b/c I just bought the #99 Garnet jersey yesterday after reading about the sale here. :)
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First post, been reading the site for a few months. Just wanted to say that this site has more information, and not just Seminole information, but football information than i have ever read.
Bienvenidos!
There’s so much original content to read that it leaves little time for posting yourself! Welcome.
My kind of thread
If I may weigh in on Heather, if you have read her long enough you will realize that she is wrong approximately 50% of the time and that 50% usually seems to underestimate FSU or put it in a bad light.
It was mentioned she never played a down but she looks likes she played middle guard at FSU for four years. Did I mention her mouth is about 10 inches wide? I mean really she is a 2 at closing time.
As for loyalty and caring, these are all great attributes as long as some of it is spread around to include the guys who are putting in the work on the team, FSU football fans, boosters, alumni and the university. They could also use some compassion.
Make Jeff Bowden the offensive coordinator at N. Alabama. Make my day!
BB nixed getting rid of players in that class because he is stubborn and his ego has over loaded his hind end. He would have rather had a few busts on the outside chance that Jeffy would somehow be vindicated if they panned out
This is the crux of the problem, BB’s decision making. That is why he needs to go.
News of the recent budget cuts can’t be real. I assumed FSU was flush with cash. I mean BB got a raise for a 7-6 season and then we find they are stiffing Trickett one of the real coaches who actually has a major impact on winning and losing games.
The comment section on chopping block is pretty funny.
Are Terry and Jeff eating the footballs? LOL
Jeff should not get all the blame for the slide, BB should share equally with him.
Glad to have you Dizzin it does have great content. I try and do my share in the humor department.
by DocHoliday2 on Jun 25, 2009 10:27 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You say this like this is a bad thing.
Did I mention her mouth is about 10 inches wide?
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
If Heather actually read some of the comments on her posts she would catch her errors. People always call her out, but she never fixes the mistakes. She doesn’t have to read every comment since someone usually points out the error within the first few comments. I guess even reading the first few comments and checking to see how people are responding to a story is too much for her busy schedule.
by Jaguar on Jun 26, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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