FSU's All-Time #1 Defensive Players By Position
by FrankDNole on Jul 11, 2009 12:19 PM EDT
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PrintA Collaboration of Fsued, Rich from GarnetandGreat.com, and FrankDNole.
Welcome to the first installment of a 2 part collaboration where we will select our FSU All-Time #1 Players. Today in part one, we will name our All-Time #1 Defensive Players, and in part 2 we will list our FSU All-Time #1 Offensive Players. These are the players we feel were the best at their position, had the most productive FSU careers, and whose contributions helped earn the FSU Seminoles the #9 most prestigious ever college football team ranking, according to the ESPN Research’s countdown of the most prestigious teams from 1936-2008.
As always, we here at TN appreciate and encourage your comments, thoughts, and opinions, whether you agree or disagree with our selections. These selections took some serious debating on our part before we finally agreed on these players. Please feel free to tell us who we missed or where we went wrong. Also, please keep in mind this compilation is based strictly on the performances that these fine athletes had only during their time here while attending FSU.
Inside: Our FSU All-Time #1 Defensive Players By Position.
Our FSU All-Time #1 Defensive Players By Position are:
Key: GP=games played, CT=career tackles, Sck=sacks, TFL=tackles for loss, FF=fumbles forced, FR=fumble recoveries, PBU=passes broken up, BK=blocked kicks, QBH=qb hurries,
Note: Stats do not include Bowl games played before 2002. Some stats not available for earlier years.
True Nose Guard
Ron Simmons-NG (1977-80) Latest of the 4 FSU players to be inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame. FSU's first 2-time consensus All-American and too many other honors to mention here. 483=CT, 25=Sck, 44=TFL,19=FF, 8=FR, 4=BK
Defensive Tackles/Nose Guards Combo
Corey Simon-DT to NG (1996-99) Consensus All-American, 36=GP, 44=TFL, 193=CT, 11=Sck, 1=Int, 9=PBU, 3=FF, 3=FR
Alphonso Carreker-DT (1980-83) 19=TFL, 21=Sck, 252=CT, 1=Int, 4=PBU, 2=FF, 4=FR, 4=BK
Defensive Ends
Peter Boulware-DE (1993-96) 3 year starter (94-96), Consensus All-American, National Defensive Player of the Year, All-ACC, broke Ron Simmons season sack record of 12 sacks with 19 sacks and finished with 34 career sck, 33=GP, 151=CT, 28=TFL, 7=FF, 3=FR, 3=PBU, 1=BK
Reinard Wilson-DE (1993-96) Consensus All-American, FSU's all time career sack leader with 35.5 sck, 33=GP, 234=CT, 27=TFL, 2=Int, 7=PBU, 7=FF, 2= FR,1 safety
Linebackers
Marvin Jones-ILB (1990-92) 2-time Consensus All-American, First FSU player to win 2 awards in the same year by winning the Butkus and the Lombardi Awards in 1992, and too many other awards to list here. 27=TFL, 369=CT, 5.5=Scks, 3=Int, 1=FF
Derrick Brooks-OLB (1991-94 OLB) 2-time Consensus All-American, Football Writer's National Defensive Player of the Year as a junior and senior, finalist for the Butkus and Lombardi, and too many other football and academic awards to list here. 30=GP, 274=CT, 8.5=Sck, 18=TFL, 5=Int, 4=FF, 2=FR, and 3 career TD's
Paul McGowan-ILB (1984-87) FSU's first player to win a national award by winning the Butkus Award, 456=CT, 32=TFL, 3=Sck, 3=Int, 1=TD, 6=FF, 6=FR
Reggie Herring-LB (1977-80) 452=CT, 7=Sck, 13=TFL, 2=Int, 3=FF, 4=FR
Corner Backs
Deion Sanders-CB (1985-88) 2-Time Consensus All-American, Jim Thorpe winner, and too many other awards to list here, Perhaps FSU's All Time Greatest Athlete (3 yrs Baseball and 3 yrs T&F), 4 year football starter, 43 GP, 14 Int, 4 TD's on Int's including one for 100 yards, 186=CT, 2=TFL, 2=QBH, 27=PBU, 4=FF, 1=FR, 3 TD's on punt rets (126 punts for 1429 yards or 11.3 avg, with long of 76 yds),
Terrell Buckley-CB (1989-91) Consensus All-American, Jim Thorpe winner, plus many other awards. Was also a 3 sport athlete, set NCAA career record for interception yardage with 501, 21=Int, 4 TD's on Int's, 103=CT, 3=TFL, 15=PBU, 2=FF, 1=FR, 3 TD's on punt returns on 82 punts for 1000 yds with a 12.2 avg, and longs of 69 and 67
Safeties
Leroy Butler-FS to CB (1986-89) Consensus All-American, Punt-Rooskie guy against Clemson in 1988, 194=CT, 1=Sck, 3=TFL, 9=Int including one for 87 yards, 2=TD, 14=PBU, 3=FF, 2=FR
Monk Bonasorte-S (1977-80) Arrived as 5th string walk on who then started 43 games, 15 career INT's, 201=CT, 3=TFL, 5=FF, 4=FR, 1=BK
Punter
Rohn Stark-P (1978-81) aka "Thunderfoot", many 1st team All-American honors, NCAA Decathlon finalist, 244 punts for 10,418 yards or 42.7 avg. Also had a 16 year NFL career with 1,134 punts for almost 50,000 yards and a career avg of 43.6.
Punt Blocker
Bobby Butler-DB (1977-1980) Another 2 sport athlete (T&F) who blocked 5 punts, 11 Int, 101=CT. 4=TFL, 2=FR, 1=TD, 6=BK. Also had a 12 year NFL Career.
FG Blocker
B.J. Ward-FS (2001-04) Another 2 sport athlete (T&F) who blocked 7 FG's. On defense had 138=CT, 3=TFL, 1=Int, 8=PBU, 2=FF, 2=FR, and also caught 6 passes as a WR.
Punt Returner
Willie Reid-WR (2002-05)-3 TD's on 69 punts for 1,063 yards or 15.4 avg, including a 87 and 83 yard return in 45 games. Offensive stats=91=rec, 1046=yds for a 11.5 Avg, 3 TD, and 63 rushes for 309 yds or a 4.9 avg also with 3 Td's. Also had 16 Kick rets for 304 yards
All-Time Special Team Player
Joe Wessel-DB (1982-84)-5 career blocked kicks total including 4 blocked punts, 3 TD's scored off blocked punts, 3 TD's scored on punt returns
HONORABLE MENTIONS
Odell Haggins-NG (1985-89) 278=CT, 16.5=Scks, 12=TFL, 1=Int, 1=TD, 9=PBU, 3=FF, 3=FR, 1=QBH
Darnell Dockett-DT (1999-03) FSU career leader in TFL with 65, 52=GP, 248=CT, 10.5=Sck, 51=QBH, 19=PBU, 4=FF, 1=FR
Andre Wadsworth-DE (1994-97) Consensus All-American, ACC Defensive Player of the Year, Outland Trophy Finalist, 42=GP, 233=CT, 23=Sck, 33=TFL, 4=PBU, 5=FF, 4=FR
Jamal Reynolds-DE (1997-2000) Consensus All-American, 42=GP, 170=CT, 23.5=Sck, 33=TFL, 11=QBH, 3=PBU, 4=FF, 3=FR, 1=TD, 3=Safeties
Willie Jones-DE (1975-78) 20 TFL, 20 Sck, 183=CT, 6 FF, 8 FR, 1TD
Sam Cowart-OLB (1993-97) Consensus All-American, 33=GP, 338=CT, 9=Sck, 20=TFL, 1=Int, 5=FR, 3=TD
Paul Piurowski-LB (1977-80) 340=CT, 8=Sck, 7=TFL, 2=Int,1=TD, 8=FF
Corey Sawyer-CB (1991-93) Consensus All-American, 13=Ints, 82=CT, 20=PBU, 2=FR
Bobby Butler-DB (1977-80)-11=Int, 101=CT. 4=TFL, 2=FR, 1=TD, 6=BK
JT Thomas-DB (1970-72) 140=CT, 10=Int, 1=TD, 1=FR, 6=BK
Chris Hope-FS (1998-2001) 46=GP, 234=CT, 8=TFL, 11=Int, 21=PBU, 4=FF, 2=FR, 1=TD
PR-Deion Sanders (1985-88) 3 TD's on 126 punts for 1,429 yards or 11.3 avg.
OK, now it’s your turn. Which players do you agree with and which do you disagree with, what changes would you make, and why?
Also, please visit http://garnetandgreat.com/ to learn more about the Heroes, Highlights & History of FSU Football.
Finally, Today's Trivia Question Is (No cheating please)-Who is FSU's all time leading tackler?
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No punt returner, kick returner or cornerback holding an interception was ever more dangerous than this. His legs appear to make up two thirds of his body and he could change direction on a dime without losing speed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=armmKMwfUtk&mode=related&search=
Some of the decisions we made were no-brainers. Others were much more difficult, and Punt returner was one of the hardest. As a matter of fact, I was the one that picked Willie Reid over Deion.
I am sure many of you may argue that Prime Time had the most attempts and the most yards in FSU history, and you would be correct. However my POV was that Willie had just as many TD’s as Deion (3), and in 57 fewer attempts. Willie is the FSU career leader in average with a 15.4 avg, where Deion’s only has a measly (ha) 11.3 avg. Lastly, if you extend Willie’s average of 15.4, times 126 (Deion’s # of attempts), Willie’s total yards would be 1,940 vs. Deion’s 1429. (I realize this last one is a stretch, so please play along). This is what made me pick Willie over Deion.
Watching this video reminded of me something that I did not mention in the article, because I was trying to keep it as much as possible on the college level (except for the Rohn Stark footnotes, who I think was simply awesome as I got to watch him boot it higher than the top rim of Doak). That would be that Neon Deion is the only person to ever to play in a Super Bowl (won 2 rings) and World Series, and the only player ever to hit a MLB home run and score a TD in the same week. Was he something special or what? Too bad he doesn’t give back to FSU more and it wouldn’t be something if he were ever inclined to show up at Seminole Showtime.
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What's the story with Deion not showing much love to FSU?
Some have alluded to Cromartie and FSU also, what’s the backstory there?
Sorry to hijack with this on a great post, but the Deion question is somewhat related to your comment, and the Cromartie question was just a bonus!
Cromartie
His family member played at FAMU and FSU let some of their guys work out at our Pro Day, but they only let them run the 40 yard dash instead of full workouts, and Cromartie got pissed and said it was really disrespectful.
Deion likes FSU but he just doesn’t help recruit by going to camps and other stuff, he has always been about #1. Then people got mad about him mentoring Devin Hester from UM, and then Noel Devine going elsewhere.
Yeah, I didn't follow recruiting much at the time and didn't know better,
but I was pretty pumped he was mentoring Noel Devine, and shocked that he committed to WVU.?
BTW, he is #3 on Sports Illustrated NFL Thrill list.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/06/25/thrill.list/index.html
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Great list
I think you did a great job remembering to base this off what these guys did in college and not in the pros.
I might have included Everette Brown in the honorable mentions, because he faced fewer passing plays (less opportunity because FSU wasn’t way ahead), and the pass blocking has improved sooooo much over the years that it became much harder to get sacks.
It sure is hard leaving off Dockett and O’Dell.
Who do you think was hurt the most by leaving a year early?
You make a valid point that Everette probably deserves to be a Honorable Mention on the list,
and he almost made it but the cutoff had to be made somewhere, even though he is the best we have had in a while. If he had stayed one more year, there is no doubt he would be on the list, and maybe even better than HM. 100=CT, 46.5=TFL (#2 all-time), 23=Sck (5th all-time), 6=QBH, 5=PBU, 5=FF, 1=FR, 1=BK.
It sure is hard leaving off Dockett and O’Dell.
Tell us about it.
Who do you think was hurt the most by leaving a year early?
That is an excellent question and one that we should open up for discussion by the TN readers. (Is this a cop out or what?) This is my way of buying some time to think about it, but we would love some of the readers opinions and thoughts on this question.
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Hard to place him somewhere...
…but Graham Gano had one of the most astounding years of any Nole since I’ve been paying attention. His actual stats may not blow anyone away, and Janikowski was awesome, but Gano should be recognized in some manner.
K-Man, We have not named the FG Kickers or Kickoff Return specialist yet, because they will be included in the next installment with the Offensive MVP’s.
We thought they were more of a offensive category and the punting specialist were more of a defensive category. Does that logic make sense to you guys and do you agree with it?
Please stay tuned for part 2 and you may see some surprises, because the Offensive All-Timers will surely be just as open to debate.
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I love Gano but...
Im new, been reading for awhile and love the stuff, id be lost and in withdraw if it wasnt for the quality posts on TN. I finally decided to get in on the action. But to continue, Gano was a great, great kicker/punter but this is a list of the #1’s and you have to give it to Sebastian. He , as a kicker, is still one of my fav characters/players we have ever had. And while im shoutin out kickers…Here’s to Gary C and all of his dip cans,RIP ha…hope dustin hop can keeps up the trend that Gano started.
I agree on Seabass
Gano didn’t have enough attempts to challenge him as our best PK ever, and Seabass was a better kickoff specialist. But there’s a good chance nobody in college or professional sports will ever again duplicate what Graham did against Wisconsin. And his string of 50+ yarders was nutty.
K-man
You’re not suggesting Gano over Stark as punter are you?
No, no.
Just lobbying for some type of all around kicker props for Teddy Graham Gano. I didn’t get to see Stark play, so I can’t argue the merits and will accept Frank’s list and the stats that back it up.
I just don’t think we’ll ever have another kicker with:
A) Laser precise punts
B) Seemingly automatic 50+ yard FG’s in crunchtime (This is FSU, right? We’re supposed to suck at that.)
C) The threat to pull down a fake punt and run with tremendous speed and instinct
What about Ron Simmons? How did he stack up to the other 2 interior linemen?
As much as we love Odell and Darnell.
this was one of those that was a no-brainer, at least for us. Probably one of the most dominant NG ever in college ball history. And futhermore,
DAMN!
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Tay Cody was also outstanding.
Dexter Jackson is a real under rated safety. He came in as a QB as well.
FSU has been so fortunate to have had as many talented, athletic, and special players, as we have had over the years. That’s what makes this fun.
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I never saw Tay Cody miss an open field tackle. Not once.
He was like 4 ft tall….jk
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
Toughest for me...
…were Haggins at DT and then Bobby Butler at CB.
Butler stats weren’t as gaudy as Deion and Buckley and he didn’t have their sheer athleticism, but that guy could flat out cover. Just ask Chris Collinsworth.
UF’s star receiver went O-for-FSU from 1977-1980.
I can’t find his individual stats from those games, but I’m sure I remember that they were meager. I did find that in 1977, we held UF to less than 60 yards passing.
In the 1979 game, individual stats were recorded on defense — Butler had an INT and FIVE pass breakups. He had another INT vs. Collinsworth and UF in the 1980 game.
Butler was also very strong against the run and was a demon of a punt-blocker.
I would probably call him the most underrated player ever at FSU. Of course, his long pro career belied his skills.
Fsued, great memory on Bobby Butler beating the Gators 4 straight (‘77-‘80) and his 0’fer over Collingsworth.
Everything you say about Bobby Butler is true. Also as you know, it wasn’t easy leaving Odell Haggins out.
For those of you that want to imagine what our dilemma was in trying to decide on these players, imagine yourselves as the coach of a team. On this team your down to your final cuts and you have 4 Defensive Tackles/Nose Guard combo players named Carey Sawyer, Alphonso Carreker, Odell Haggins, and Darnell Docket on the roster. You have to cut 2 to get down to 2. Since you may not be familiar with them, the first thing you might want to do is review their stats. Here is the question you will need to answer;
Which 2 of those 4 are you going to keep? Please feel free to answer.
You also have 4 corner backs named Deion, T-Buc, Bobby Butler, and Sam Cowart. Again you have to cut two.
Which 2 of those 4 would you keep?
Would any of you really consider cutting Deion or Terrell for either Bobby Butler or Sam Cowart? As highly as we think of both those players, those 2 would be the ones that would have to go. Do you agree?
Now you are beginning to understand what our dilemma was in picking every player for every position. There really are no right or wrong choices, these are just the choices we made. What say you?
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Deion
During Noel Devine’s recruitment Deion had a hand. Devine had fathered several children and had been taken into Deion’s house in Texas but he later left and came back to Florida. His grades were close and WVU is allowed to take players with somewhat less of a test score than other schools.
Sanders made note of the fact that FSU had no offensive line to speak of and Noel was an undersized back. He was of course correct. This strangely all took place while Trickett was still the offensive line coach at WVU and McHale was finishing off FSU.
He thought Devine was less apt to get into trouble in the snow capped mountains of Morgantown also.
After Devine committed to WVU Trickett left and came to FSU. Quite a turn of events. In my opinion the WVU line is going down hill and FSU’s is headed in the right direction.
It would be decent if Deion would make it to showtime once in awhile however.
Tamarick Vanover for the short time he was at FSU put the same fear into opponents however. You were never sure if he was going all the way when he had his hands on the ball.
by DocHoliday2 on Jul 11, 2009 8:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Couple things on Noel
Everything you said is spot on, I don’t think we would have gotten him in.
Yours truly shot part of his highlight video.
Doc thanks, REC. You see, that is what makes this such a great site.
I always wondered what the real story was because no one would ever talk about it, but now it all makes sense. I could be wrong, but you can’t learn some of this stuff elsewhere, I never knew.
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As much as it hurts to say
I have to give Deion credit for looking out for the kid in that situation. At the time, WVU was just the better option. I do agree that Deion should show us a little more love but do we know whether or not FSU has made serious efforts in extending the olive branch? I’d assume at least his individual relationships are good with guys like Terrell Buckley. Deion’s support and presence from time to time could have a significant impact (although from the looks of it Jimbo and Coach Coley are doing a great job ripping up the recruiting trail regardless).
Not to change the subjec
Frank I am kind of the koolaide homer here in that I am usually thinking FSU is going to be a bit better than most think.
The Vegas odds makers are out and making me look pretty good. They have FSU tied with Miami at around 13th as far as odds to play for the BCS. Now what does this mean? It means they are putting money on the line that says there are only 12 teams in the land they think is better than FSU.
Think about it boys, when Vegas talks everybody listens!
Doc, like you I enjoy the garnet and gold kool aid.
That is great about us being at #13, however by them picking UM also at 13th does not instill too much confidence on my part in Vegas. We shall see.
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Aaron Carter (trivia)
… or is it Aaron Taylor? It’s Aaron something. Remember learning that on this old Bobby Bowden, FSU video about his first 15 years as Noles coach.
Agreed.
Especially if we snag a decent LB coach next season, which I doubt we’ll have trouble with.
I actually disagree with that
because in today’s CFB, it’s pretty difficult to get 10+ tackles a game and he’d need to get about 150 tackles/yr to get into the conversation. I see that Paul McGowan was at 456 and he wasn’t #1 overall. Plus we rotate players in and out a lot more – and even with a new DC I don’t think that will change too much, maybe a little in that our starters play a higher % of plays, but I don’t see us going to a little 11 style D where we have our starters play the entire game.
Silly me ...
just read the next post and it shows that Carter was at 512 tackles which means actually Bradham would need to be at about 170/yr to break the record, which is more like 13+ tackles a game. Reasons stay the same, but the task just got more difficult.
hopnole23, congratulations. Credit for this trivia question goes to Fsued.
During our discussions these were the some of the comments (revised) I made about Aaron Carter when we were discussing him.
Aaron Carter-LB (1974-77) 512 CT Aaron was a pretty scrawny kid (by today’s standards) 5"8’ 185 lbs LB from Gainesville, who’s first 3 years were spent playing on teams with losing records.
1974=1st year Coach Darrell Mudra team went 1-10 with the only win coming at Miami.
1975=Another losing season under Coach Mudra with a 3-8 record.
1976=New coach Bowden started righting the program with a 5-6 record.
Finally Carter got to play for a winner 1977, when the team finished 10-2, including Bowdens first win over UF and culminating in a Tangerine Bowl win over Texas tech, and finally being ranked in the top 20 with a final AP ranking of 14th and UPI ranking of 11th.
512 Career Tackles is pretty amazing, and this record may possibly never be broken.
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Rohn Stark
was an unbelievable athlete, even for a punter.
Long time reader first time poster, loving the site from China.
by LincolnHighNole on Jul 12, 2009 5:52 AM EDT reply actions
Thank you for the hospitality FSUncensored!
I moved here from Seoul, which is a great city, to Taizhou, Zhejiang Province (SouthEast China) south of Shanghai.
In all of Korea and China, I have seen one person wearing FSU gear. He was rockin’ the replica baseball cap. I tried to ask him about it, but he didnt speak english! I have been blessed not to have seen any FU gear. Im trying to repress the nightmare of their success, which is easy to do in China ;)
You have a great product, your TN team makes the site even better, and the members are entertaining. Xie Xie (Pronounced She-She with a short E = thank you in Chinese.)
Do you take requests? I am so concerned about the DC position for the future, hopefully sooner rather than later. I know you have speculated about the DC from E Carolina. But, in your and your readers opinions, who do you want? Who is your top 5 best DC’s in college football? I am very curious to know this.
Thank you for your time.
by LincolnHighNole on Jul 12, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the best DCs next job will be HC
The key is finding the up and coming guys.
I like Reggie Herring (family is huge Arkansas fans so I watch pretty much all their games)
Bud Foster and Charlie Strong will both be head coaches in the near future.
I like Will Muschamp, but again lateral move at best.
I think Hudson is a likely candidate.
Up until this past off-season I was hoping for Gene Chizik
but since he got the AU HC job, he’s unfortunately off the list. I thought that timing would have been right for him being fired from Iowa State right around the time Jimbo got the HC job. I really liked what he did at AU (and to a lesser extent Texas) while he was the DC.
Good to have you LincolnHighNole.
FSUn, please put up a new flag on the recruiting map in China for LincolnHighNole. I don’t think he will mind being our eyes for recruits in that hemisphere.
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Thank you!
I have heard the legend of a local high school kid here ballin’ out of control, covering receivers like a young Deion. They call him “Mo Sho = the Fog” in Chinese. I walked up to him to ask him about his interest in FSU, but he told me that Urban was at his house last night for a visit, and offered his girlfriend a ping-pong scholarship too if he signed with FU. Sorry boys.
by LincolnHighNole on Jul 12, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Damn that Meyer taking the rules to the extreme.
Someone needs to let Coley know about this kid.
I think fo’ sho’ we want this mo’ fo’ Mo Sho here instead of in Hogsville.
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Is he gonna commit solidly...
….or is he gonna take his 5 visits for the free chicken feet and Tabby steaks?
Can we show some love.....
for Lee Corso lol. Just found out he held the INT record for 26 seasons.That was while playing both ways in a time when they didn’t pass that much.
Lee Corso's name was brought up by Fsued with these comments,
Lee Corso, DB (not joking — another great trivia question — WHO IS TIED
WITH DEION SANDERS FOR THIRD ON FSU CAREER INTERCEPTION LIST? Not so fast
my friend!!!!
While Corso was considered, it all gets back to my reply above about having to make some some tough cuts. As a matter of fact, they were all pretty tough, except with a unanimous pass given to “Big Bad Ron” by the 3 of us.
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I can't imagine putting this list together honestly
I don’t envy you guys on the offensive side of the ball lol
Absolutely not. Deion was another one of the no-brainers like Ron Simmons.
We started by naming all the great players at every position, made a case for our favorites, and then started making cuts. Many of the top 2 players at each positions were pretty unanimous, and the couple that where not we pretty much voted.
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I might have had a few more positions
Until Mickey Andrews came on board and going back before I followed FSU, the Seminoles ran a variation of the modern 3-4, called a 5-2. There is somewhat of a recognition of this for the line, but today’s defensive end position isn’t like it was when players like Willie Jones were playing. Same for the linebackers.
I’d also separate the nose tackles – FSU has a “nose tackle” today instead of designating left and right defensive tackles (or another designation) as a way of honoring the legacy of great nose tackles at FSU, mainly Ron Simmons but also his successor, who was pretty great too. Now if I could just remember his name.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Jul 12, 2009 6:39 PM EDT reply actions
We did list a true NG to honor Simmons, and then the combo DT/NG. Too often some names and positions get a little hazy for me, but
Alphonso Carreker was listed as a DT, but he was the fixture in the middle of the line after Ron left.
I throw some of these names out at you to see if any are the one you’re thinking of:
Gilbert James, David Ponder, Stan Gavin, Lenny Chavers, Brian Fojtik, Garth Jax, Gerald Nichols, or maybe even Todd Stroud? Some were NG, some were DT, but very often Mickey mixed everything all up.
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