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The Road to Eligibility

[Written by SWFLNole]

With Willie Downs and C.J. Mizell not making it to campus this year FSU again doesn't complete a recruiting class through enrollment. This is a hot button issue with FSU fans, because the team South and East of us seem to always make sure they get their players eligible. A 90% enrollment rate is still pretty good, however.  I want to talk a little bit about the eligibility process and how it works for the students.  Because there is only so much that is important for the average fan, I will focus solely on Public/Private school and disregard the home school students (Insert Tebow SAT joke). Also it will focus on D1 only; D2 has a whole different set of standards that are lower.

First of all a student must have completed 16 core classes:

"4 years of English.
3 years of mathematics (Algebra I or higher).
2 years of natural/physical science (1 year of lab if offered by high school).
1 year of additional English, mathematics or natural/physical science.
2 years of social science.
4 years of additional courses (from any area above, foreign language or non-doctrinal religion/philosophy)."

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The grades in these courses  are what determines a students core GPA, which is the GPA that matters to the NCAA clearinghouse. These GPA scores team with a student's test score to establish if they are eligible or not. The SAT is only math and verbal, not writing. While the ACT is the sum of the four parts of the test. As many people know there is a sliding scale for the GPA-Test Score average. The higher the GPA the student athlete has, the lower the test score has to be to get in. (I have cleaned this up to the tenth, there are slight differences to the .025)

NCAA DIVISION I SLIDING SCALE

CORE GRADE-POINT AVERAGE/

TEST-SCORE

New Core GPA / Test Score Index

Core GPA SAT ACT

Verbal and Math ONLY

3.55 & above 400 37

3.5    420   39

3.4    460   42

3.3    500   44

3.2    540   47

3.1    580   49

3.0    620   52

2.9    660   54

2.8    700   57

2.7    730   60

2.6    780   64

2.5    820   68

2.4    860   71

2.3    900   75

2.2    940  79

2.1    970   82

2.0    1010   86

This table gives us a good idea what it is like to try and become eligible. A 2.0 GPA is the lowest allowed, and the student must then get over 1000 cumulative on the verbal and math sections of the SAT. If a student starts early in school and can knock out some B's in his sophomore or junior year he is well on his way because something like a 2.6 makes the SAT highly achievable. However you can see how it becomes harder and harder as the grades get lower. Speaking of starting early the NCAA lays out a plan for student athletes. As a freshman and sophomore it is just to focus on grades in core classes and making sure the guidance counselor sets up a plan to complete all the core classes. As a junior they suggest registering in the eligibility center, and sending in a transcript. Because students have to establish amateur status, they should also begin their amateurism questionnaire. As a senior they have to send in their test scores, and finish their amateurism certification. Finally a copy of their final transcript and proof of graduation must be sent by the guidance counselor.

These are the main guidelines, however the student must make sure of a few other things. Their ACT or SAT scores must come directly from the testing services and not off of their transcript. Also all of their courses have to be approved as legitimate core courses by the NCAA.

We all know that students take online courses once they have received their test score and may need one or two extra A's on the transcript. This is popular at almost every school in the country. The fact of the matter is that almost any student should be able to get qualified if they put in a little bit of effort. With all of the special services for any learning disability, real or perceived, it just adds to the fact that there is little excuse for a player to not qualify with the current standards. I hope this helped for you all to become a little more eligibility savvy when discussing next year's borderline athlete. If you would like to go even more in depth than I have here, visit this link:

https://web1.ncaa.org/eligibilitycenter/hs/faq.pdf

All information courtesy of NCAA clearinghouse 2008-2009

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Good post

Is there any concern that the potential failures to qualify just won’t be able to pick up the college schemes to be an effective player? Sorry, that was a bit rambly….

Looking at the borderline cases, a school takes a risk on the freakishly athletic kids, because while they may not be smart, they sure can play some dadgum football. IF they qualify, they are expected to come in and learn a bunch of plays where they have a specific assignment. This is likely a far cry from HS, where they had set routes for receivers, very simplified defenses (in general), and could do pretty much what they wanted without too much heartburn because they were likely the best athlete on the field. Special cases may apply, where these items are not the case.

How many of the “dumb” ones make it to the point where they are significant contributors to the team? I understand you can be good at sports without being “book smart”. But some of these guys can’t complete a sentence in English properly, despite the requirement of at least 4 years of English. I would think it would make it difficult to understand the nuances of college football schemes, which would reduce their effectiveness.

Also, have there been any QB prospects that are in questionable position with grades/test scores? Seems like the QB would need to be able to keep things straight in his head, which would potentially imply reasonable classroom intelligence as well.

by PBD on Jul 2, 2009 8:25 AM EDT reply actions  

different intelligences

in some ways, you make a good point, but realize a student might do poorly in school that doesn’t reflect well in “football intelligence”. Also, these guys can “miss” academically overall, but excel in those items that translate well to the field.

Some of these guys are also coming from poorer schools and school districts that lack tools and resources to evaluate learning disabilities early, and if detected, to help the student. FSU has had some learning disabled athletes in the past that barely made it in, but with better resources were able to overcome and went on to graduate.

Nuances in college football schemes, as you put it, would seem to be a kind of visual/geometric/spacial thing. They might not do well in English composition, but can read a play book and digest it quickly, and learn to read a defense and know where the route should go.

by Wild@Heart Nole on Jul 2, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great Point!
Some of these guys are also coming from poorer schools and school districts that lack tools and resources to evaluate learning disabilities early, and if detected, to help the student. FSU has had some learning disabled athletes in the past that barely made it in, but with better resources were able to overcome and went on to graduate.

I’m looking at you, South Georgia and Miami… In some places, the schools literally have no money.

Also important is the increased use of FILM. Everyone can learn from video!

by Bud Elliott on Jul 2, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

Florida State does an excellent job of evaluating students once they get on campus.

by SWFLNole. on Jul 2, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

How many of the "dumb" ones make it to the point where they are significant contributors to the team? I understand you can be good at sports without being "book smart". But some of these guys can’t complete a sentence in English properly, despite the requirement of at least 4 years of English. I would think it would make it difficult to understand the nuances of college football schemes, which would reduce their effectiveness

You only need to look as far as how many of these athletes end up broke after their pro career’s end. They are not smart enough to handle their own money and have some shady uncle or friend handle their money until it’s all gone. Look at the great baseball player Rickey Henderson I have never heard anyone butcher the English language as much as he does. I could listen to him talk all day and not have a clue about what he actually said. Playing sports come natural to these kids and parents do not put enough pressure on these kids to put their noises in the book and get a solid education. The Myron Rolle’s in the world are rare in athletics.

by vegasnole9399 on Jul 6, 2009 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Looking at the borderline cases, a school takes a risk on the freakishly athletic kids, because while they may not be smart, they sure can play some dadgum football. IF they qualify, they are expected to come in and learn a bunch of plays where they have a specific assignment. This is likely a far cry from HS, where they had set routes for receivers, very simplified defenses (in general), and could do pretty much what they wanted without too much heartburn because they were likely the best athlete on the field. Special cases may apply, where these items are not the case.

I think it’s the total output. If we’re looking for ability 10, we might get that through physical 7 + mental 3 … or pysical 9 mental 1. Typically your dumbest guys play defensive line and running back, positions that are very much “do” and less “think.”

How many of the "dumb" ones make it to the point where they are significant contributors to the team? I understand you can be good at sports without being "book smart". But some of these guys can’t complete a sentence in English properly, despite the requirement of at least 4 years of English. I would think it would make it difficult to understand the nuances of college football schemes, which would reduce their effectiveness.

We have had some really really dumb guys make big contributions. I know of two who couldn’t read what I just wrote upon graduation. Intelligence is position specific, as you alluded to. Some guys can play really well and be dumb, others really never grasp the concepts.

Also, have there been any QB prospects that are in questionable position with grades/test scores? Seems like the QB would need to be able to keep things straight in his head, which would potentially imply reasonable classroom intelligence as well.

QB’s need to be pretty smart. I don’t know of any we’re after who are grade risks. Some of the spread guys have been pretty stupid, but they are glorified RB’s who occasionally throw.
There’s also something to the idea that good grades reflects a good work ethic which a QB ust have.

by Bud Elliott on Jul 2, 2009 9:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Good post SWFL, and good comments.

People don’t like to (or think to) ask about this kind of stuff, but they want to (and it’s good to) know this info, and this is an excellent, simple resource. Constantly impressed by the “Hey, I’ll take some time out of my busy schedule to inform some good football fans in this community” spirit of TN.

by TRMNole on Jul 2, 2009 11:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks

that is exactly the type of attitude we like to have, and we try to do it well.

by SWFLNole. on Jul 2, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Call me jaded

But it saddens me that people are getting a free ride to college with a 2.6 GPA and 780(M&V) SAT. I know it’s the nature of the beast, but still.

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by Jonathan Loesche on Jul 2, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Agree

I had a 3.98 GPA w 1390 SAT and paid out of state tuition to FSU. I was told that being in the honors program, there was an out of state waiver. Alas, seems they “ended” the program the year I enrolled (’97). My dad pulled out a PLUS loan (which I repaid), and since half my aid was from out of state, I could not ever switch to in-state tuition.

And the fundraiser wonder why I refuse to donate money back to the school. $6k difference/semester. I wonder why I’m even a fan of the football team…..

by PBD on Jul 2, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely jaded.

Come on now. It’s football.

by TRMNole on Jul 2, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of UF and qualification rates: There is no way anyone can tell me there isn’t a load of horse puckey afoot in Hogtown. Getting BOTH John Brown AND Torrey Davis in was laughable at, best if not downright fraudulent. Anyone else find it interesting that it took an Auburn AL recruit (Finley) to snap that 100% qualified BS? I sure do.

Ameica, Land of the free and home to the entitled.

by levynole on Jul 2, 2009 5:32 PM EDT reply actions  

They didnt get Reggie Nelson in the first time

but yes they are better at worrking the system than we are.

by SWFLNole. on Jul 2, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shall we say Reggie got a lot of help? That would be putting it nicely.

Ameica, Land of the free and home to the entitled.

by levynole on Jul 2, 2009 6:56 PM EDT reply actions  

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