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The Future? FSU Target's Comparable Players.

 
Many of you have probably seen me say that I don't really like comparisons for recruits because they don't fully do credit to the unique talents of the player. I prefer long technical player evaluations and watching a lot of film to try and get a grasp of what  player is and isn't. However often times player comparisons work very well, and can give a very real picture of a player's best assets because people have seen popular players so much. If I were to say that a runningback runs low and shifts weight like Barry Sanders all of you smaft football fans would know what I meant. So without (much) further ado, here are some of FSU's target recruits with their comparable players as FSUStateofMind, FSUncensored, and I see it.

 Please keep in mind these are merely playing style/physical comparisons, it is not to say these players are already or will be as good. It merely shows what they could be like if they work hard and fulfill potential.

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OLB Christian Jones, Lake Howell HS: OLB Julian Peterson, Seattle Seahawks

Both are very long athletic linebackers who run well, and close on tackles extremely fast. They are both physical specimens. Christian is an extermely sure tackler, and while some think he ends up with his hand on the ground eventually this is a great comparison now. This was unanimous.

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WR DeJoshua Johnson, Pahokee HS: WR Tyrone Prothro, Formerly Alabama

Before Prothro practically broke is leg in two he was a disaster for the SEC. He was always considered a small WR but made up for it by being extremely elusive and quick. DJJ compares favorably with Prothro on all of these levels and has quality hands as well. Another way of looking at him if you want to use FSU players is a mix between Bert Reed and Taiwan Easterling.

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S Chad Abrams, Kathleen HS: S John Lynch, Mostly Tampa Bay Bucs

What did John Lynch become famous for? Hitting. Hard. Chad Abrams absolutely sticks kids down there at Kathleen HS in Polk County. He is a ballhawk who still needs to refine his coverage skills, which were never John Lynch's best attribute either. But both can lay the wood and are good enough in coverage to be a menace to other team's receivers.

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CB LaMarcus Joyner St. Thomas Aquinas: S Eric Berry, University of Tennessee

Joyner truly is a unique talent. He does so many things well that it is hard to pin him to one guy. But if I said this: Best HS CB in the country, excellent tackler who drives through players with no problem, extremely quick and overly physical at the line of scrimmage; who am I talking about Berry or Joyner. FSUStateofMind comments "Eric Berry with a bit of Reggie Nelson spkrinkled in" sounds like a recipe, but true nonetheless.

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RB/FB Debrale Smiley, Thomas County Central: RB Jerome Bettis, Pittsburg Steelers

It's not just the size; although that is a big part (get it, big). Anyone who watched Bettis knows that he had excellent feet and body control/movement for a man of his size. He was not merely a straight forward, run you over back. Anyone who has seen the elusive Debrale Smiley highlight video, or even better seen him play live will tell you that the exact same thing can be said for him.

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RB Gio Bernard, St. Thomas Aquinas: RB Maurice Jones Drew, Jacksonville Jaguars

I have to admit this is my favorite comparison of the entire article. You may have heard Gio weighed in at 210 lbs at Seminole Showtime. He is built compactly just like Jones Drew. He breaks a lot of tackles and has deceptive quickness and burst. I used to not be the biggest fan of Bernard, but if he can retain his skills (elite vision/ cut back ability included) at that weight he is the best back in the state of Florida.

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LB Jeff Luc, Treasure Coast: LB Patrick Willis, San Francisco 49ers

Jeff Luc is one of the most physically imposing LB is recent history. Some say he is already physically maxed out. I say he is already physically ready for the NFl so it doesn't matter. Prototypical MLB players that scare offenses because they hit so hard. The knock on both of them has always been that they have trouble turning and covering in space. Patrick Willis dominated the SEC at Ole Miss, Jeff Luc will start his domination of college football soon.

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DE Tavaris Barnes, Jacksonville First Coast: DE Marcus Spears, LSU/ Dallas Cowboys

Barnes is extremely raw and plays way too high. Odell will get that under control. Marcus Spears also had some of the same problems when he first went to LSU. Spears frame allowed him to add a lot of good weight and become a dominant SDE. Barnes frame is very similar; his potential is very similar to Spears who was a first round pick.

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ATH Christian Green, Tampa Catholic: WR Chad Jackson, UF/Patriots

You'll have to excuse the image, but since UF recievers don't EVER do anything in the league he is more recognizable as a Gate. They have identical size, within an inch and 10 pounds of each other. Neither of them is the fastest guy on the field (Shaw and DJJ are faster) but they both have more than adequate speed. Also Jackson and Green excel in open space and finding running lanes with the ball in their hands, and can use their size if need be but don't rely on it. Jackson was an elite reciever in his time at UF, and Christian will be great in his time as a Nole(hopefully).

Note: We discussed this ad naseum. Dwayne Bowe, Michael Crabtree, and Braylon Edwards were discussed, however this made the most sense, and multiple people agreed on it.


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WDE Corey Miller, Byrnes HS: Jamaal Anderson, Arkansas/Falcons

Both are prototypical Weakside defensive ends who use a variety of pass rushing strategies not just outside speed rushing, although that is something they excel at. Jamaal Anderson put on good weight at Arkansas and was drafted high by the Falcons. Miller will add a great WDE for the next few years to our roster.

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CB Terrence Mitchell, Hillsborough High: CB Alphonso Smith, Wake Forest

Both have a similarly small build, and both are perpetually underrated because of it. I don't have to tell FSU fans about Smith. Mitchell has a chance to do the same thing and prove some of the evaluators wrong about him. Many people I know who have seen him play live, and in 7 on 7 action say he is going to continue being a WR shadow.

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DT Anthony "Amp" McCloud, Thomas County Central: DT Glenn Dorsey, LSU/Chiefs

McCloud is often overlooked for a number of reasons. First to be in good shape, not carrying bad weight. He is reportedly at a good 290 lbs (size matters folks). He wasn't heavily recruited because he was a known non-qualifier. However he plays like Glenn Dorsey which is a good thing for FSU if he does indeed get back here from JUCO. People in the N Florida/S Georgia area that I have talked to say that his talent compares pretty favorably to Jacobbi, if just a notch below.

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RB Marcus Lattimore, Byrnes HS: RB Terrell Davis, Denver Broncos

This is a huge comparison to hang on a kid; a RB who helped define a decade in the league. However, I am comfortable with it. Lattimore shares more than just a great build. Davis was legendary for a few things. He had impecable vision, and he had feet, legs, and hips that made any cutback possible. Teamed with a burst from strong legs he didn't need top end speed to dominate. These skills worked perfectly for the zone blocking scheme employed in Denver. Marcus Lattimore's skill set practically mirrors the ones laid out for Davis. Just saying.

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CB Terrence Brooks, Dennellon HS: CB Janoris Jenkins, UF

FSUStateofMind chimes in:

Their builds are very similar.  Both were underrated coming out of high schools.  And both were fans of the opposition (for their current teams' fans).  Jenkins was a huge FSU and ended up signing with Florida after Mickey Andrews didn't want him.  Brooks is a huge fan of UF and committed to FSU.  Jenkins and Brooks are hitters at the CB position.  We can only hope that Brooks makes the impact that Janoris Jenkins has.

I would add that Jenkins was ahead of Brooks in terms of technique at this time in recruitment, but Brooks has the size and hips to truly have Jenkins like potential.

So what say you, patrons of TomahawkNation?

-What are your favorites?

-Do you disagree with me? Why?

-Do you see some from other guys not included like Ed Christian, Brandon Willis, Brandon Gainer, Kenny Shaw (who I tried to come up with a good one for), Damien Jacobs, any of the TE's?

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Excellent Read!

Favorite comparison: Probably T. Davis and Marcus Lattimore, I hadn’t really considered it but I like it for sure. The LJ and Eric Berry one is great but it’s also one I think everyone has agreed on before (doesn’t make it any less true obviously

The rest are all very solid comparisons. Gio and Maurice Jones Drew makes a ton of sense. I’d probably put Kenny Shaw with a Snoop Minnis based on his size.

On a side note, as i’m typing this Coach Coley’s twitter pops up in my twitterfox saying: "Your fears are coming true, what you think you should have your not getting. . . " I hope that means we’re stealing someone else’s “lock” and not the other way around.

by truenole87 on Jul 26, 2009 9:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Great job!

 The only comparison I dont like is Gio to MJD. They have slightly similar builds, but in the speed department Gio does not even come close. I agree with TNs analysis of him on the Big Recruiting board, Gio does a lot of things good, but not great.

Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb

by badknees81 on Jul 26, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice job, man!

My favorites are the Jeff Luc-Patrick Willis and the Gio Bernard-Maurice Jones-Drew ones. I’d LOVE for Terrence Mitchell to turn out to be an Alphonso Smith, but I don’t see the ball skills and the cover ability in his highlights. I think Alphonso isn’t as much of a big hitter like Mitchell, but his coverage skills are much better. Do you think Buckley can improve Mitchell’s cover skills?

by fsufrenzy911 on Jul 26, 2009 10:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Looking kind of thin for a DT

Is it just me or does Amp’s forearms look like toothpicks in that photo?

by planeswalker39 on Jul 26, 2009 10:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Nice job and since you are on a roll, I'd like to throw you a curveball.

While this article is about future players/prospects, who does J. McDaniels remind you of?

>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em

by FrankDNole on Jul 26, 2009 10:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Same here, hopefully he turns out that way.

Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb

by badknees81 on Jul 26, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Above was in reference to Sapp/Jacobbi

Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb

by badknees81 on Jul 26, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good one!

>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em

by FrankDNole on Jul 27, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would be amazing

If Terrence Brooks turned out like Janoris Jenkins

by truenole87 on Jul 26, 2009 12:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Kenny Shaw compares to Steve Smith (USC/NYG not Utah/Carolina)

similar size and both have really good hands, run good routes and have good speed. Also both aren’t overly physical (unlike the other Steve Smith who is a beast on the field physically). I think both fly/flew under the radar a bit (Steve once he got to USC as he was a very highly rated recruit) but always seem to get the job done on the field where it matters.

by RishiM on Jul 26, 2009 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

I can sorta see it, though Smith is super strong and explosive where shaw is not. Love the Minnis/ Steve Smith (giants/usc) comparison.

by Bud Elliott on Jul 26, 2009 4:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

No he didn't. Joyner was the most dominant DB there. Urban was all over him.

Don’t believe the Gator fans. Dunkley got Joyner a few times, Joyner got him a few. It was a great battle.

Besides, that format is set up for WRs to dominate, not DBs. No pass rush, 4 seconds to throw, ect.

by FSUSOM on Jul 26, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

I just thought being the elite DB he is, he would have had a better handle on Dunk.

by TCHOP561 on Jul 26, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

They had a great battle and have you ever watched 7 on 7 football?

It is much easier for a WR to look impressive. Joyner handled everyone else easily.

by SWFLNole. on Jul 26, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Joyner and Dunkley

these guys need more teaching before a one-on-one really matters to me

by NorthernHaze on Jul 26, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know one-on-ones are more slanted towards WRs.

I remember a few years back, Bryant McFadden came back and worked with some of the players. Richard Goodman beat him a few times in one-one-one.

by TCHOP561 on Jul 26, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guy I think Corey Miller compares to is Justin Tuck

they are both fairly tall (albeit Tuck is taller) and both are very strong → Tuck is so strong that while he is only in the 255lb range plays a lot of snaps (mainly passing downs) at DT. Both have that quick burst so that they can go around or through you. Their strengh also translates very well to run D as they can take an and stuff OTs and even hold their own on double teams. Also there is no way a TE will be able to block Miller the same way putting a TE on an elite DE like Tuck is suicide for the O.

One difference though is that Miller does seem to translate more as a WDE for us and Tuck is much better suited to being a SDE (as he plays for NYG).

by RishiM on Jul 26, 2009 2:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Miller is Jarvis Moss. long skinny explosive passrusher. I don’t see Jamal Anderson at all because Anderson is very much a big guy.

by Bud Elliott on Jul 26, 2009 4:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Moss....

I guess I just don’t see it.

by FSUSOM on Jul 26, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

skinny, long, Miller’s not going to be 255+. he’s 225 now apparently. I’m just looking for a pure lanky pass risher who’s not much for playing the run.

by Bud Elliott on Jul 26, 2009 7:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Anderson coming out of high school

he played a lot of WR and was something like 6-6, 215

by SWFLNole. on Jul 26, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I recently watched David Perry's video and I really like this kid

they don’t come much longer. His arms are the most impressive part, though. I would love his arms in the face of opposing QBs. does he project to DE in D1 as well as high school?

by NorthernHaze on Jul 26, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

He will be a DE

but the kid went back to jamacia, so his recruitment is on hold.

by Bud Elliott on Jul 26, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, I gotcha

I guess my thing is that when I think JA, I think JA at Arky or who got drafted.

Hope Miller turns into JA

by Bud Elliott on Jul 26, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I know

I thought of that but they play similarly if you look at Anderson’s style. He just added weight and more techniques that come from it at the end of his Ark career. I guess since I follow Arkansas so much it is a little easier for me to see. I tried to put a picture that showed him before he added all the bulk

by SWFLNole. on Jul 26, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dwight Freeney?

I’d suggest Jason Taylor, but I’m not sure if he’s seen a 3 point stance his he entered the NFL (excluding Goalline and __ Down and inches to go).

by RishiM on Jul 27, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure this comparison has been used before for Brandon Willis

but I like the Darnell Dockett comparison. They are very similar in terms of size and body type so that we should know what to expect from Willis in terms of body growth. I’ve heard the Travis Johnson comparisons also, but don’t like them as much as TJ was a much bigger kid and was huskier as well so that he could carry a lot more weight than Dockett or Willis can/will be able to carry.

Another reason I see Dockett being a good comparison is because of Willis’s ability to fire off the on the snap in a very explosive manner. He gets off so that he can beat the double on (most) run plays and some pass plays. On most pass plays in our set up he seems like he should be at the DT (or 3 technique) spot so he’d face more single blocking assignments so he should be a very disruptive force on passing downs and all run downs when going against only 1 blocker. Like Jaccobi, we could see him right up there with Dockett in terms of TFL in the FSU record books.

by RishiM on Jul 26, 2009 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I can see Dockett for sure.

Should have consulted you! Great feedback, thanks.

by SWFLNole. on Jul 26, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad to contribute and thx for the compliment.

I love these kind of stories. It’ll be fun to watch them develop and hopefully we can pull this back up in a few years and see how we did in our comparisons.

by RishiM on Jul 27, 2009 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really enjoyed this one great research Bud

If Willis is anything like Dockett we are home free. Just teach him how to twist some legs. LOL

I like the Bernard Jones Drew comparison and I think FSU is the place for Gio. I really believe Fisher has always been looking for that Jacob Hester type back that just jars the opponents teeth.

I wasn’t going to mention it but yeah it does look like Stroud will have to go to work and put some meat on Anthony McCloud’s forearms.

Corey Miller looks almost NFL ready right now.

Who would you compare Gainer too at this point just curious?

I have one question I have been wondering about if anybody knows. How is the knee of Garrett Faircloth holding up and how does he look. He is a pretty typical Trickett recruit at 6-6 to 6-7, 285 pounds.

I keep hearing that John Pryor and Stork are looking good but never anything about Faircloth.

Apparently Trickett has been to the University of Iowa wrestling team workouts because they look particularly strong to him. He is looking for new training techniques.

http://nolesports.tallahassee.com/article/20090726/FSU03/907260323/1008/FSU/Trickett+proves+ESPN+blogger+wrong

“Trickett turned to another experience — a three-day visit to the University of Iowa in the spring — to help make his group even stronger for the upcoming season.

He also dropped by Iowa’s wrestling program, fresh off a national championship, where he visited with coach Tom Brands as well as Iowa assistant athletic director Dan Gable, the legendary wrestler and coach who Trickett has long admired.

“We’ve incorporated a lot of things that we got off the trip to Iowa,” Trickett said. “… I visited their strength coach. I watched them on film against Wisconsin and they were by far the strongest football team I’ve ever seen on film. They are unreal strong. … I got a lot of the mental aspects off of that (visit with the wrestling staff).”

Trickett mentions in the article that Iowa had a 4 star quit on them and go home and how he got back and had the same thing happen to him.

I don’t know what happened but I can now read Nolesports again.

by DocHoliday2 on Jul 26, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Thinking about our O-line for the next 4 years has me

ridiculously excited!!! The only thing that remains to be seen is whether or not the pass protection has improved and can be great/dominant like the run block. I wish we could keep Trickett forever haha

by truenole87 on Jul 26, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wrestling

Is the absolute best way to learn how to be a great blocker. I wrestled in high school under a great coach from Miami and when he was in Miami ALL the football programs made wrestling mandatory for the OL and DL. Wrestling in the upper weight classes is nothing but effectively controlling your opponents body.
When I went to Nationals with Team Florida there were Offensive Line coaches from all over the country watching the heavyweights compete. Just off the of my head Warren Sapp I believe was a 2x State Champ and he has dominated OL’s ever since, Ray Lewis was a monster champ too. It just works.

by freshcollegeboy on Jul 27, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

DJJ

From now on, I’m not gonna look at pictures of him until August 2010. None.
That photo shows the the slightest built FSU player/recruit ever. Ever.
13 months of diet and training are in store. Me taking another gander before then is not in store.

by The K-Man on Jul 26, 2009 10:04 PM EDT reply actions  

very scary size

is he really that much quicker than a quality 175lb WR?

also, not appealing that his comparable player’s career ended in a tragic injury

by NorthernHaze on Jul 26, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe Holloway could share some of his hamburger with the kid...

I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.

Elayne Boosler

by NaGaNole on Jul 27, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

And risk losing his hand?

He could probably pick up Will Furlong’s rations..

by coonhound on Jul 27, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha

It’s possible that Phillips will have reported to FSU 200 pounds heavier than DJJ.

What time is it in Mini-Amsterdam, bro? :)

by FSUSOM on Jul 26, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

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