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'Nole Your Enemies: South Florida Preview- Will The Bulls' Offense be Offensive in 2009?

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With only 40 days until the 2009 season starts, it's time to learn about the opponent's on Florida State's schedule.  We'll start with the teams Florida State did not play last year, leading off with in-state foe South Florida.   Today we're talking offense, tomorrow will be defense and special teams.

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The Bulls went 8-5 in 2008.  They were perfect in the non-conference, with wins over two terrible defensive teams in Kansas and NC State, and an overtime victory against UCF.  In the worst BCS conference, however, they were just 2-5, and their two wins came over UConn and Syracuse.  To say that USF feasted on bad teams would be an understatement.  Yet voters, who often see nothing but a team's record and not the competition they face, had the Bulls as high as #10 at one point.  They would lose 4 of 5 down the stretch to finish unranked.

The Bulls were just 4-5 against BC conference teams and 2-4 against teams ranked inside the Fremeau Efficiency Index Top 40.  Put another way:

Wins S/ F+ Losses S/ F +
UT Martin NR Pittsburgh 17
@ UCF NR @ Louisville 74
KAN 33 @ Cincinatti 19
FIU NR Rutgers 24
NCST (w.o their QB) 47 @ WVU 49
Syracuse 90
UConn 26
Memphis NR

S/ F is a combination of S&P + and FEI, the two widely recognized advanced metrics for evaluating college football teams.  The quality of their opponents in wins was far less than that of their opponents in losses.

This year, the Bulls schedule around the 'Noles game looks like this:  

2009 schedule:
Sept. 5 Wofford
Sept. 12 @ Western Kentucky
Sept. 19 Charleston Southern
Sept. 26 @ Florida State
Oct. 3 @ Syracuse

The Bulls have a very easy schedule before facing Florida State.  They essentially play three 1-AA teams (W. Kentucky is a provisional 1A school).  This can help and hurt a team.  Having a month of pre-season assures that the Bulls will be able to work out some kinks, and that they will be healthy (starters playing fewer minutes in blowouts means less opportunity for injury).  It can also hurt, however, because FSU will be the Bulls' first test of the season.  'Nole fans saw this phenomena last year when they lost to Wake Forest after opening the season with two 1AA cupcakes.  

Based on their talent an performance, the Bulls were probably a top 25 team last season, though they were too high early and probably too low late.  They did have three close losses in Big East play, and close wins or losses are a great indicator of a team being lucky or unlucky.

Last season, the Bulls Offense looked something like this:

  • Fremeau Efficiency Index: 48th
  • Varsity Numbers (aka BeyondTheBoxScore at RockMNation.com, the brainchild of Bill Connelly) S&P+ (measure of ball movement and explosiveness):  21st (34th rushing, 16th passing)
  • Forget the fact that South Florida led the Big East in total offense and finished second in scoring. It did most of its damage against lesser opponents, while failing to score more than 20 points in the final five regular season games.
  • In conference play, the Bulls had the 6th best offense (of 8 Big East teams), with the 4th best ground game and the 5th best passing attack.  Only UConn and Syracuse were worse (though they were a lot worse).
  • USF had an unsustainably high success rate on passing downs (2nd and 8+, 3rd/4th and 5+)  http://footballoutsiders.com/varsity-numbers/2009/varsity-numbers-2008-offensive-buffet  As the article discusses, USF was really goot at converting 3rd and long, compared to their other talents.  That's just not realisticly sustainable.  What team is consistently better on 3rd and long than 3rd and 4?
  • USF averaged less than 350 yards and less than 5.4 yards per play in conference games.  (For reference, 400 yard games equal out to about 6.2 yards per play over 65 plays in an average game).  

The Bulls run a spread scheme under new Coordinator Mike Canales, featuring a heavy dose of the zone read game.  They force the opposing defense to account for the QB's legs.  Canales was the Bulls' passing game coordinator last year and stepped into the OC role after Greg Gregory took another job.  

 

Quarterback

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via nationalchamps.net

Matt Grothe has led the Bulls in rushing in each of the past three seasons.  He's also a big risk taker who often struggles to read defenses, possibly because of his 5'11" stature.  He's tossed up 42 picks over three years, while throwing 47 TD's.  He's been consistent in his erratic nature, throwing 14 INT's each year.  More troubling, however, for Bulls fans was the way he ended the Big East season:  Against Louisville, Cincinnati, Rutgers, UConn, and WVU, Grothe threw 11 Interceptions and just three touchdowns, while being sacked 13 times.  

There's more:  

Matt Grothe Games QB Rating Yards/ Attempt TD INT
All Games 13 136 7.7 18 14
v. Conference 7 119 7.1 7 12
v. Non-Conference 6 156 8.4 11 2
v. Winning 6 109 6.5 4 10
v. Non-Winning 7 162 8.8 14 4

4 TD 10 INT against Bowl teams?  That's not impressive, and really, none of Grothe's passing numbers stand out.  He is a dangerous runner, of course.    And FSU has been ripped by teams utilizing the mobile quarterback over the past two seasons, particularly out of the shotgun, as USF does.  In fact, Grothe had 117 rushes for 828 yards, which is 7.1 yards per carry.  Simply put, Grothe is a playmaker with his legs.  He runs the zone read play quite well and making him one-dimensional is a primary goal for any team facing USF.  

If he stays healthy, Grothe will surpass Pat White for the conference record in Total Offense, but I have to wonder how much of that record is due solely to playing time?  Almost any 4-year starter with mobility would have a shot at the record.  

If the Bulls lose Grothe, they will probably miss a bowl as there is nobody else on the roster with any experience in a college game.  For that reason, I will not profile the backup quarterbacks.

 

Running Backs

Mike Ford is a special talent and a likely NFL back.

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via www.mikefordonline.org

He was a Five-Star recruit coming out of high school but had terrible grades and had to go to through the preparatory school route.  Last season, Ford battled numerous injury issues and had a disappointing year.  In 2007, however, he was excellent.

2008 2007
Opponent Att Yards Avg. Opponent Att Yards Avg.
Tenn.-Martin 15 61 4.1 Elon 6 83 13.8
@ UCF Did Not Play @ 15 Auburn 21 74 3.5
Kansas 1 3 3.0 North Carolina 6 13 2.2
@ Florida Int'l 14 24 1.7 6 West Virginia 5 42 8.4
@ North Carolina St. 11 64 5.8 @ Fla. Atlantic Did Not Play
Pittsburgh 14 73 5.2 UCF 8 39 4.9
Syracuse 11 51 4.6 @ Rutgers 4 9 2.3
@ Louisville 5 13 2.6 @ Connecticut 7 27 3.9
@ 17 Cincinnati Did Not Play 17 Cincinnati 7 13 1.9
Rutgers 1 2 2.0 @ Syracuse 28 134 4.8
Connecticut 8 20 2.5 Louisville 24 140 5.8
@ 23 West Virginia 14 62 4.4 @ Pittsburgh 16 63 3.9
+ Memphis 8 34 4.3 + 23 Oregon 6 8 1.3
Totals 102 407 4.0 Totals 138 645 4.7

This year, he's apparently lost 20lbs, making him 6'2" 210 rather than the 230 he played at last season.  He is apparently quicker and now healthy.  You can bet that USF will not risk injuring him against their cupcake schedule before they play FSU.

Canales has been vocal about trying to throw the ball to the backs more often, but Ford has not shown great hands.  He may catch a few more now that he is at a better weight, but he's really not that type of back.

Mo Plancher represents another option to carry the ball.  At 5'9" and 200lbs, he has surprising quicks, gaining 330 yards on 69 carries last year.

Jamar Taylor is an ex fullback type who tried to carry the load for USF into the bowl season, rushing for 300 yards on 62 carries.  He has the savvy and knows the offense well, so he is often asked to handle blitz pickup duties on 3rd downs.

Richard Kelly is a very versatile back for the Bulls.  At 6' 0" and 250lbs, he is a receiving threat out of the backfield and also an excellent blocker.  Think of him as USF's H-Back.  


USF is very deep at the running back position 

 

Wide Receiver

Who Left: 

Name Yr Pos Rec. Yards Avg. TD Rec./G Yards/G Note
Taurus Johnson SR WR 38 498 13.1 6 2.9 38 Led team in TD's, 2nd in Yards & Cathes
Marcus Edwards SR WR 19 259 13.6 0 1.5 20 31 Career Starts
Cedric Hill SR TE 16 194 12.1 2 1.2 15 2nd Team Big East

 

Who Returns:

Name Yr Pos Rec. Yards Avg. TD Rec./G Yards/G
Jessie Hester SR WR 54 579 10.7 3 4.2 45
Carlton Mitchell JR WR 28 405 14.5 1 2.2 31
A.J. Love JR WR 30 354 11.8 2 2.3 27
Dontavia Bogan JR WR 26 354 13.6 1 2 27
Ben Busbee SR TE 7 99 14.1 2 0.5 8
Patrick Richardson SO WR 7 68 9.7 0 0.8 8
Trent Pupello JR TE 2 26 13.0 0 0.2 3

The bulls really spread the ball around to a number of receivers and they are really, really deep at this position.

Jessie Hester,  is the son of former Florida State great Jessie Hester (1981-84) and is the Bulls best wideout.  He was named Offensive MVP for 2008 after leading the the team with 54 receptions.  He's been named to a few pre-season All-Big East teams.  At 6' 0" 180lbs, he's not a burner but has enough speed to get open and runs very nice routes.

Carlton Mitchell is a 6'4" 215lb Junior who missed a good chunk of 2008 due to injury.  When healthy he can be a redzone threat and is very strong and he had a great freshman season.  Though he is a Junior, Mitchell is very raw.  He's one of the best athletes on the team.  FSU fans might compare him to Jarmon Fortson

Dontavia Bogan at 6'1" 185lbs is an explosive threat who had a good spring.  One of several bigtime breakout candidates.  Excellent athlete.

A.J. Love was the Bulls' deep threat before injuring his knee in the Bowl game.  He is expected back for Fall and is making progress with his rehab.  It's anyone's guess as to whether he regains his pre-injury form.

6' 2", 180lb junior Ed Alcin had a very nice spring and could really surprise this year.  Some USF fans believe he is the 2nd best wideout on the team, which is saying something considering his lack of playing time in his first two seasons. 

Theo Wilson could also catch a few balls for the 'bulls.

The Bulls must replace Hill at tight end and will look to Andrew Ketchel who came on strong towards the end of the season and he started the bowl game. At 6'5" 240, he's the best pass-catcher of the tight ends.  Senior workout freak Ben Busbee is primarily a blocking tight end, but he can catch a few balls as well. 

 

Offensive Line

This is clearly the weak link for the 2009 Bulls.  USF must replace four Senior starters in Left tackle Ryan Schmidt, center Jake Griffin, right guard Matt Huners and right tackle Marc Dile .  Dile and Huners were 2nd team ALL-Big-East players, and the departed quartet accounted for 118 starts (Dile had 36).  The Bulls have a major issue here and will have a very tough time replacing those four.  

That's not to say that the departed players were great- they weren't.  The 'Bulls allowed 7.1% sacks (7.1% of passing plays ended in sacks), which is horrible.  They were a lot better than the current crop and at least had some chemistry, however, something this new group will not have in 2009.

Worse yet, the Bulls were counting on help from the JUCO ranks and at least one big player simply won't be in Tampa this year.  They expected JUCO transfer (and former 'Nole) Daron Rose to come in and start at one of the tackle spots.  Rose didn't qualify, however, and will not be playing for the Bulls.  Additionally, JUCO Tackle Carlos Savala is also ineligible.  The Bulls really needed one of them to come in and take over a tackle position.

This off-season has been a disaster for the offensive line, and Head Coach Leavit said that none of the players were good enough to play on his OLine.  

One position is definitely set.  Junior right guard  Zach Hermann is 6'3" 304lbs and made 13 starts as a freshman and 6 last year before injury struck.  Herman is a pure run blocker and is the typical tough guard.    

At the other guard spot might be 6' 4", 292-pound sophomore Chaz Hine.  He didn't play much last year, but is a blue collar guy who could earn the job despite not being very talented.   

The center position will hinge on a number of factors.  At 6' 5" and 285lbs junior center Jacob Sims has the ability to play a lot of positions.  The bulls are also considering him at tackle, but make no mistake, they want him at center.  He'll play tackle if the potential tackles struggle.  He had off-season finger surgery, but is expected to start somewhere on the line this year, either at Right Tackle, Left Guard, or Center.

At center, there's an experiment going on with former defensive tackle Sampson Genus who is one of the strongest players on the roster.  He has looked good according to some reports.  If Genus doesn't work out at center (and he's the better athlete but needs a lot of work), the Bulls will turn to 6' 2" 304lb Soph Kevin McCaskill.  He's almost running even with Genus and was part of the big class the Bulls brought in after 2007.

The other tackle spot a complete mystery.  One possibility is RsFr Jatavious Jackson, a decent recruit at 6' 4" 270lbs.  He's very green and undersized at this point.  RsFr OT Mark Popek is 6'7" 305 and got a lot of work in spring with Sims out due to injury (remember that the coaches want Sims at center but will move him back to tackle if need be).  He's talented but young and inconsistent.  He could challenge Sims for one of the tackle spots and USF hopes he wins so that Sims can play center.    Pushing Jackson at left tackle is 6' 4" 314lb Soph Jeremiah Warren, who is already struggling in the classroom but does have a good bit of talent.  

And don't count out Jamar Bass who is apparently looking reall good for the Bulls (at Left tackle).

The bottom line here is that the Bulls offensive line is very unsettled and even when it does settle, it will not be very talented.  None of the bulls linemen are getting any press for an All-Conference selection.  This group is definitely set up to run block, which is good considering that the Bulls run more than 60% of the time, but they will likely struggle in pass protection.

Bottom Line

USF's offense will probably struggle this year, particularly against good teams as they did last season.  There is a lot of optimism at the quarterback and skill positions, but I wonder if prognosticators are making the common media error of overlooking line play.  If the Bulls are to have a top 50 offense, they must be able to establish the run.  Despite the new coordinator's background being more pass-happy than USF has seen in recent years, he must stick to the run and play low-risk football, catering to the defense which should be this team's strength.  The Bulls have talked about making more big plays this year, but big plays typically happen because a team is vastly superior to their opponent, or because the defense is cheating to stop something (like the run) and are burned by something else (play action pass).  If USF can't consistently put itself in better situations this year, like 3rd and 4 instead of 3rd and 8, Grothe will be the same old Grothe- taking too many risks and forcing too many passes.  If the offensive line gets it together, the Bulls could have a pretty decent offense as the skill position players are there, but that is a huge if. This is still a team that couldn't get to 350 yards per game in the lousy Big East.  Expect a regression from South Florida's offense and a more conservative gameplan as the season rolls along.  

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Very detailed. I like it.

USF will always make a living off players like Mike Ford. Couldn’t get in anywhere else.

by FSUSOM on Jul 28, 2009 12:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Grothe = very very old man.

by Winfield Featherston on Jul 28, 2009 12:40 PM EDT reply actions  

sorry I could not pass up a chance at some 6th grade humor..

“they will likely struggle in ass protection.” Last sentence before “Bottom Line” in bold. Guess they are going to have some serious blind side blitz problems…

Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.

by onebarrelrum on Jul 28, 2009 12:54 PM EDT reply actions  

beat me to it

I’d be a great 6th grader…..

by PBD on Jul 28, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

So bottom line prediction:

FSU shouldn’t have a problem here, though it’s a must win in-state game (well I guess I should wait on the defense segment first)

by jasonole59 on Jul 28, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

They'll frustrate us some with the mobile QB but

the defense needs to have a goal of 5.0 yards per play. Their OLine must be whipped by our DLine.

by Bud Elliott on Jul 28, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

good writeup

Defensively, we need to force Grothe to stay in the pocket and be something he’s not. This kid is your typical Doug Flutie QB. He likes to run around and let something pop open. Keep him in the tackle box and you’ll have alot of success. The running game doesn’t scare me as much because they will struggle on the offensive line.

Offensively, we just need to block Selvie. He’s the guy that makes the ship go over there, we need to screen and draw them to death. This could be a game where we pass to set up the run.

by oline0175 on Jul 28, 2009 1:16 PM EDT reply actions  

ha ha ha See they are going to fear the run

and get burned on the pass. They will stack the box and have one CB up close and one back the S will sit back and play center field. bubble and slot 5 and outs kill them all game.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Jul 28, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jatavious Jackson and Ant Williams

I saw in one preseason Mag that JJ is there starting left tackle and Ant Williams is their 2nd string DT… 2 of our cast offs

by Quentin C on Jul 28, 2009 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Yea, Ant Williams was our first commit in 2008. First we asked him to greyshirt then we informed him his services were no longer needed..

by Quentin C on Jul 28, 2009 2:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I thought that was Anthony (Ant) Hill?

by wnc_nole on Jul 28, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s him, my mistake

by Quentin C on Jul 28, 2009 2:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I actually just checked

the magazine I was referring to earlier, its Lindy’s BTW, and Ant Hill is listed as 2nd string DT for them. I had the right now person just wrong last name

by Quentin C on Jul 28, 2009 10:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

A weird side note story:

I’m in the habit of saying ‘gracias’ instead of the English ‘thank you’, it’s just one of those things. I was in San Diego last week and had sushi at a sushi bar. [Side note to the side note – I was wearing an FSU shirt and sitting on the patio (gaslamp district) and a couple walked by and got all excited when they saw the shirt and started shouting “Go Seminoles!” That was a good feeling and kind of weird because I live in Chicago and very seldom does that happen. I guess you have to go to San Diego to find FSU fans.] So we left the sushi bar when it was closing and it was about 30 minutes later that I discovered it missing. I went back to the sushi bar and they had held the hat for me. I thanked them profusely as I was leaving (these are all Japanese employees) and they kind of looked at me funny. When we got outside, my friend said “dude, did you just tell a bunch of Japanese people ‘gracias’?” Oooops…

by Aussierat on Jul 28, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

San Diego is great.

Go Noles!

TrueCubbie lives in ChiTown! Maybe you two can watch the games together with a few others.

by Bud Elliott on Jul 28, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

First down

Fisher will break them with the bubble! LOL

I like sixth grade humor. My wife tells me I will always be just a big kid.

Could you imagine most FSU fans if Ponder had Grothe’s stats? You would have to put them in a straight jacket.

by DocHoliday2 on Jul 28, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

This is the game on our schedule that scares me the most. USF has absolutely nothing to lose and FSU has nothing to gain. We are just getting home from Provo and about to hed up to Boston. It just screams trap game, especially since USF will run plays that we haven’t defnded too well, like the zone read.

by evenflow58 on Jul 28, 2009 2:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I completely disagree

FSU has A LOT to lose if we USF wins. We know damn well that losing to USF would be a HUGE blow to our program. This is must win in my eyes. And I gotta believe our team feels the same way. I think we come out fired up and whoop dat ass.

by Fire Machine on Jul 28, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with Jab here

FSU has no special motivation. We can sorta see it, but as players, it’s another game and not a rivalry.

by Bud Elliott on Jul 28, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

I’m not worried about these Bulls. I think we’re gonna stomp them.

by Fire Machine on Jul 28, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was a HUGE mistake to schedule this game....

nothing to gain everything to lose.

Especially when you factor in the cross country game against a top 25 game the week before.

Spetman has no idea what he was doing when he scheduled this. But what do you expect when you hire someone from Utah State. FYI, neither Bobby nor Jimbo wanted this game. Spetman just did this on his own.

by noles55 on Jul 28, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since when are the Noles afraid to play anyone?

While I understand your argument, I couldn’t disagree more. Here’s why:

A) Who would you suggest we schedule? Another 1-AA cupcake? The University of Maine? I think this helps from a Strength of Schedule point of view. If we do well this season voters will take notice.

2) Motivation won’t be a problem. This is the kind of game that gets a lot of fan and (I’ll bet) player interest. Our guys probably know players from their team from high school. Our fans know fans from their schools. It’s not a rivalyThe Bulls have had a good deal of publicity lately and won’t surprise anyone. I bet Fisher and Trickett will be very interested. If they thump USF, that’s one less issue to deal with on the recruiting trail. Take the steam out of their sails

D) Should we simply stand by while a new school starts up on our home turf, begins trying to take recruits and makes a big splash? I don’t think so. I think we need to pop them in the mouth and let them know that they have a way to go before there’s a Big Four in Florida. We made our reputation by going anywhere and playing anyone. Maybe this is premature but I want that back. I want to play teams that matter or at least interesting. And I sure as hell don’t want to be afraid to play an upstart in my own backyard.

Go Noles!

by GonzoNole on Jul 29, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

A) Who would you suggest we schedule? Another 1-AA cupcake? The University of Maine? I think this helps from a Strength of Schedule point of view. If we do well this season voters will take notice.

Yes. Pay for the win. Voters simply do not pay attention to schedules except for the National Championship.

by Bud Elliott on Jul 29, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

And THAT ends the debate....

“Yes. Pay for the win. Voters simply do not pay attention to schedules except for the National Championship.”

Well said.

We have too many fans that think with emotion and not their brains. But these same fans won’t write checks to FSU to pay for all the boosters and money lost when FSU goes 8-4.

Strenght of schedule means NOTHING in college football.

I don’t care how tough the schedule is…..go 8-4 at FSU….nobody cares.

I don’t care how weak the schedule is….go 11-1….the fans show up and so does the money.

Will the fans who want the tough schedule write an extra check for the money an 8-4 season cost FSU? No, they won’t.

FSU’s problem the last 10 years is it is simply being out smarted by our rivals. This is a prime example.

by noles55 on Jul 29, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes but

I dont know if im right about this but are we going after the NC this year. (NO) when will we be going after it. 2011-2012 So we need to get good games and not a cake walk. the better the SoS is the better votes if “IF” we win. So this year we crack the top 10 next year we go for top 10 then in 2011-2012 we shoot for the NC. and number 1. all we have to do is win one of the 2 BYU or USF (both is better) lose one ACC game and UF but win the ACC we get to the OB and can still end top 15. see play harder now then when we run for the NC play 2 cup cakes and UF. and who ever else.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Jul 29, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is NO coorelation to a tougher schedule...

and winning a national title.

You almost get punished for a tougher schedule honestly. Sure, it is nice IF we win 11 or 12. But IF we win 8 again, we won’t get the talent we need to win a title.

You don’t get rewarded in college football for tougher schedules. That is college basketball.

by noles55 on Jul 29, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Scheduling Cowardice"?

I just read the Scheduling article you posted earlier (btw "Scheduling Cowardice" is a term that should officially incorporated into the BCS formula!). It’s hard to argue with statistics. This is one of the negative effects of the BCS. You can’t risk a loss. It would seem that you have to schedule non-conference creampuffs is required if you want to reach the national championship game. However, you have to come from a conference that is respected to pull that off. Right now, the SEC is most respected with the Big 12 next. The BIG 10 is next with the ACC not far behind. Then it’s the PAC 10 with the Big Yeast bringing up the rear. I would put USC in a category by itself outside the rest of the PAC 10. They are almost like we were when we first joined the ACC. They need a strong non-conference schedule so people won’t say "Yeah, but who does USC play?" That’s why, in 2003, 11-1 Oklahoma went to the championship game instead of 11-1 USC in spite of Oklahoma’s embarrassing 35-7 loss in the Big 12 Championship. It surfaced last year when many voters signaled their willingness to put a one loss UF team ahead of a no loss Penn State?

I think the reason that FSU was given credit for being a dynasty in the 90s was not because we beat up on the ACC, but because we played Miami, Florida and a host of other tough non-conference games. If we went undefeated this year, our non-conference games would weigh heavily in our consideration. (If we went undefeated this year, I would also soil my pants!) The reality is that the ACC is actually far tougher than people realize as you pointed out in your "Nonconference Games That Will Shape 2009" article. But the perception of mediocrity is still there.

To go to the championship, your schedule, or your conference has to be considered "Tough Enough". Whether or not those games are conference or non-conference doesn’t matter. But if you’re in a weak conference or a mid-major, you’re suspect. That’s why BYU is playing Oklahoma and FSU this year. That’s why Oregon plays Boise State, Purdue and Utah and Utah plays Oregon, Louisville and Colorado State.

To your point Nole55, I do understand the need for patience in rebuilding the FSU program with small steps and not laying an egg in a game we need to win. Perhaps we are not ready for the ACC schedule, BYU, UF + USF. Perhaps we should be more calculating in our choices. I understand that on an intellectual level.

I just don’t have any patience for it. I am one of those fans that does think with emotion. How boring would CFB without it? Yes, I have felt the sting of the past several years and want to see a change. So, if calmer heads say it’s best to wait on such games, then I will go along with it. I won’t like it, but I’ll go along with it. If I have to sit through another game with Alabama Diesel Automotove Technical College and listen to Gene Deckerhoff try to sound excited about it, I’m going out the window! Remember the first two games of last year? SNORE!!!

If the trend of weak non-conference games continues, then we will be deprived of great games like these:

1. USC at Ohio State (Sept. 12)
2. Alabama vs. Virginia Tech (Sept. 5)
3. Oregon at Boise State (Sept. 3)
4. Georgia at Oklahoma State (Sept. 5)
5. BYU vs. Oklahoma (Sept. 5)
6. Notre Dame at Michigan (Sept. 12)
7. Nebraska at Virginia Tech (Sept. 19)
8. Utah at Oregon (Sept. 19)
9. Florida State at BYU (Sept. 19)
5. Utah @ Oregon (Sept. 19)
10. East Carolina at North Carolina (Sept. 19)

Go Noles!

by GonzoNole on Jul 29, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

About the non conf games

this year is the best year to have a hard non conf games. We wont win UF but we stand more than a 60% at winning the rest. We do that and take the ACC we are setting up for our higher rankingfor next year when we need to start the NC push. Thats why I think we play the harder games.

That and because anyone anywhere
FEAR THE SPEAR

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Jul 29, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really

All three of them lose their starting QBs, who are what make their offenses tick. At least two of them are homes games as well.

by osceolafan850 on Jul 29, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

so did you learn how to itemize lists

from Buzz in Home Alone?

I shouldn’t know that.

by NolenRyan on Jul 29, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am glad I am not the only twisted one that caught A), 2), D).

I will give Gonzo the benefit of the doubt and bet he did that on purpose to make sure we were paying attention.

>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em

by FrankDNole on Jul 29, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

C) Sell out the game

This should be an easy game to sell out.

More importantly though I think when we win it will give us some more inroads in recruiting in central FL.

by GrassyNole on Jul 29, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

do you think facing the spread with a mobile qb will help prepare for UF… I know they’re not on the same level but it can’t hurt

by noleinvaldosta on Jul 28, 2009 2:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Perhaps if more than one team runs it,

MA will realize that maybe they should practice for it throughout the year, rather than the typical just-in-time training AKA way-too-late training.

by coonhound on Jul 28, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel it’ll be close at half-time w/ the depth/conditioning taking over late. USF will come in sky-high for this one which will help them keep it close. In the end however FSU just has too much talent and depth for USF to hang with. Noles by 14 or so.

Ameica, Land of the free and home to the entitled.

by levynole on Jul 28, 2009 3:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd debate that at WR.

Again i’m one of those people that don’t think wide receiver is such a problem. In many ways we’ve upgraded. But I guess nobody will believe that until the season starts.

by truenole87 on Jul 29, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Inexperience is obvious at WR

But yes I would go as far to say there is depth at WR. Reed, Easterling, Fortson, Goodman, Givens, Commack, Givens, Owens, Smith, Haulstead and Chris Thompson playing back and forth between the slot and out of the backfield. I think that is adequate depth and talent. This is just just my opinion.

by truenole87 on Jul 29, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

We'll have to agree to disagree

Goodman is suspended 3 games.
Easterling is coming off of achilles surgery.
Givens hands are, to say the least, problematic to rely on.
Smith is 20 lbs too light, and will probably be redshirted.
Haulstead and Thompson have never taken a collegiate snap.

Just because there are names on a roster does not mean there is depth.

by SWFLNole. on Jul 29, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

USF is the 4th game of the season correct?

Goodman will be back, Easterling’s recovery has been remarkable and that game is still almost 2 months away and by then our freshman will have gained at least some type of game experience. I understand that names don’t equal depth, but the talent combined the fact that they will have to play will prove beneficial IMO.

by truenole87 on Jul 29, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got the kool-aid

I think the biggest weekness for us going into this year is the Def as a whole. The d-line might be ok. The LB could be great but only if the D-line keeps the o-line off them. The DB its 50/ 50. 2 need to step up real fast.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Jul 29, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

dont need a FB with JF

just 3wr Pski and a RB, for the K we just need someone for the extra points and we wont need to punt this year. (JK) about the kickers we will need to work on that. The kid out of Texas sounds like he could be good though.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Jul 29, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dustin Hopkins will be a decent kicker

He’ll be ok on field goals and he has the ability to put the ball out of the end zone on kick offs. This will be a huge benefit, especially against teams like Miami with dangerous return men.

by truenole87 on Jul 29, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not so sure there is as big a disparity in talent and depth.

Maybe a few years ago, but not so much anymore. The difference that may put us over the top, in my mind, will be our all-ACC o-line as compared to their below average o-line.

by FSUjab on Jul 28, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Won't know until it happens

There is a chance that we will have a good bit of depth at RB and WR if everyone steps up. But other than that we just have players who project to be better starters than the USF kids. With the exception of Selvie I can’t think of a Bull who I would trade a Nole for. I think this game comes down to how well our DBs play honestly. We know USF’s O-line is suspect. We know MA is going to blitz them like crazy and leave our DBs on islands. If out DBs take advantage of Groethe’s lack of accuracy and snag a few INTs we can win this big. If we leave WRs open for him to find it will be a close one.

by osceolafan850 on Jul 28, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

P-Rob

Has a coming out party and has two picks, one being for 6.

by TCHOP561 on Jul 28, 2009 5:58 PM EDT reply actions  

you know this is a lot what someone said last year about us.

Ponders is ok, Smith can run the WR are good but that o-line is the worst in the acc maybe the nation. Dont get it twisted we are better than them I think.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Jul 28, 2009 7:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Appreciation

Thanks for the great articles, comments, opinions, statistics (all) in one easy to navigate website. I’ve been a long time reader and after this review I just had to get on and express my appreciation to all my fellow noles! Even without Bobby, mickey, jimbo, weinke, ward, t.k.— it’s the true fans that make me most proud.

2009:

F*** those Cougers
Slaughter them bulls.
Skin us a tiger.
And fry us some Gaytors.

The rest are just icing on the cake!

Go noles!!!!!!

B rad '07

by 939909 on Jul 28, 2009 9:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Welcome, Brad!

2007 here as well, as are a few of our other writers.

I think in large part the 2007 graduates were the perfect candidates to sit and wonder what was happening to FSU’s program and then start a website focusing on FSU athletics.

I’m sort of growing tired of USF already.

by Bud Elliott on Jul 28, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad this is in Tally….otherwise it could be disaster. Frankly reminds me of BC and Flutie against the U…I wish you hadn’t said that.
 Still I’m surprised Bowden was against it. I realize the recruiting implications but there was a time FSU backed down from NOBODY. Hell they’d go to your house and kick your arse. To me that’s a huge factor in the quality recruits coming in the past.

"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein

by Olbrannon on Jul 28, 2009 11:35 PM EDT reply actions  

We were the underdog in most of those games and had little to lose and a lot to gain. USF is in that role now. Plus for a school with good name recognition like FSU to be ranked well we just need to win games. It almost doesn’t matter who you play.

by evenflow58 on Jul 29, 2009 9:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

We were the underdog in most of those games and had little to lose and a lot to gain. USF is in that role now. Plus for a school with good name recognition like FSU to be ranked well we just need to win games. It almost doesn’t matter who you play.

by evenflow58 on Jul 29, 2009 9:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

They didn’t start out that way. Not even BB. FSU played UF at there house for what 10 years running before they would come to Tally?

The most exciting football I ever followed was the string of away games Ohio St, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Pitt, LSU. Had to do it. Reputaion wasn’t big enough to get them here.

I will never forget Caz’s dad killing a game winning drive by Nebraska or the standing ovation afterwards by the Nebraska fans. It was the most class act I ever saw in sports. Ever see that at Doak?

"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein

by Olbrannon on Jul 28, 2009 11:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Everyone else see this?…just in case you can’t travel to all those away games.

http://www.comcast.net/articles/sports-general/20090717/espn360/

Had to listen to some of the basketball games by radio last year…only way to gget ’em…maybe that will help.

"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein

by Olbrannon on Jul 29, 2009 12:01 AM EDT reply actions  

That is good news

A) I was in a remote location last fall and couldn’t get access to any games except for a choppy Justin.TV connection.
2) That will work great with the VGA connection to my Plasma via the laptop.
And.,
D) we live on the most boring street in the the whole United States of America, where nothing even remotely dangerous will ever happen.

(Had to give props to Buzz and his elusive pet tarantula)

by The K-Man on Jul 29, 2009 3:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

“Will the fans who want the tough schedule write an extra check for the money an 8-4 season cost FSU? No, they won’t.”

But scheduling games such as this generates press and gate ….c’mon man it’s Tampa…how many empty seats you think there will be? This type of game puts money in the account.

"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein

by Olbrannon on Jul 29, 2009 6:50 PM EDT reply actions  

lol

not anything like what a few extra wins would.

by SWFLNole. on Jul 29, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

NJURY UPDATE: Sophomore SS Jerrell Young, who broke his arm against Wofford in Week 1, will not play Saturday against Charleston Southern and could be out considerably longer.

"He’s out for a little while," Leavitt said.

Meanwhile, the status of CB Quenton Washington (ankle) and WR Evan Landi (shoulder) for Saturday’s game remains uncertain.

"I’m not going to be real optimistic about Landi. Q thinks he’ll be ready to go tomorrow, but I don’t know," Leavitt said. "If they’re not full speed on what they can do then we’re not going to play them."

Hester doubtful: Senior WR Jessie Hester likely will miss his second consecutive game with a hamstring injury.

Hester re-injured his hamstring during Wednesday’s practice, Leavitt said.

"He really looked good today," Leavitt said. "I don’t know how long that will be. He’ll probably be out this week. It’s the hamstring, it’s been frustrating. It’s really sad for him, because he’s such a good player."

Hester entered this season with a reception in a school-record 22 consecutive games, but did not have a catch in the opener against Wofford.

by Bud Elliott on Sep 21, 2009 8:26 PM EDT reply actions  

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