'Nole Your Enemy: Scouting South Florida's Defense
With only 40 days until the 2009 season starts, it's time to learn about the teams on Florida State's schedule. We'll start with the teams Florida State did not play last year, leading off with in-state foe South Florida. Yesterday we looked at USF's offense (not impressive), and today we'll look at their better half and the Bulls' special teams.
Strategy: The Bulls are a 4-3 base team and they do not hesitate to bring an 8th defender into the box to help with run support. They aren't blitz crazy nor are they uber-conservative.
Coach: The Bulls' Defensive Coordinator is Joe Tresey who took over for Wally Burnham after Burnham took the Iowa State job. Tresey was at Cincinatti before this and is highly thought of in some coaching circles and he can be very aggressive. Additionally, HC Jim Leavitt is a defensive minded coach and has a lot of input with his favored unit.
2008
| Bulls' Defense | Overall | Run Defense | Pass Defense |
| Fremeau Efficiency Index (FEI) Per Drive, better explanation at link. |
39th | ||
| S&P+ Defense (National) Per play, better explanation at link. | 38th | 10th | 78th |
| S&P+ Defense Conference Games Only | 3rd | 2nd | 6th |
If you are curious as to what these numbers mean, click on the links. Just know that they are widely accepted by professional gamblers and other people who study the game for their living as the best and most consistent measures of performance.
Front 7
USF's defensive line is the best in the Big East. Phil Steele calls them the 6th best defensive line in the nation. Simply put, they are loaded.
USF loses Defensive End Jarriett Buie and his 5 sacks (all in Big East play). He was a solid contributor and started all 13 games for the Bulls. The only other loss is Sampson Genus, a defensive tackle who is now competing for a spot at center.
At right end is Super Senior George Selvie, a 6'4" 250lb terror who passed up the NFL draft to return to the Bulls. He's a two-time All-American and a favorite to win multiple national awards. As a three year starter (37 games) he has 186 tackles, 60 for loss, and over 20 sacks. He was hampered by injury last year, but when healthy, he's easily in the conversation for the best defensive end in America. Selvie is just one of the elite pass rushers Florida State Freshman All America Offensive Tackle Andrew Datko will face this year as the 'Noles confront America's toughest schedule.
At the other end position (replacing Buie) are senior Aaron Harris and junior Craig Marshall, along with Jason Pierre-Paul. Harris is a tweener at 6'4" 265lbs and has played defensive tackle for some of his career. He's a more natural end and everyone in USFs program raves about him. He had an excellent sophomore season and is considered the front runner to man the strongside end position by many. Craig Marshall is more of a pass rushing specialist at 6'5 260 and needs to refine his game, particularly by getting in the weight room. He did play in every game last season and had 4.5 tackles for loss. If he makes improvements this offseason, he could overtake Harris. Even if he doesn't start, he will play a lot of snaps for the Bulls. The real wild card here is Paul-Pierre, a stud JUCO transfer (top JUCO defensive lineman in the country). Pierre-Paul stands 6' 5" 265 and some believe he will take the starting spot, mostly based off his impressive film, frame, and recruiting profile. David Bedford had a nice spring game and should also contend for playing time.
At Nose Guard the Bulls have juniorTerrell McClain. At 6'3" and 306lbs, he earned playing time as a freshman and continues to dominate for USF. Both strong and quick, FSU fans should compare him to Moses McCray. McClain should expect to be 1st team Big East in his second season as a starter.
At the other tackle is Rs.Fr. Cory Grissom (6'2" 289lbs), who hurt his ankle early in the season and missed the rest of the season. He has great quickness and athleticism, but is obviously quite raw. Backing him up is 5' 11" 267lb Sophomore Keith McCaskill. He has a good wingspan and is very quick.
NOTE: There is a chance Harris will play tackle not end, so keep that in mind. The coaches are hoping that Grissom can get the job done at tackle, but if he can't or if some of the other ends blow up, Harris could end up back at tackle.
All in all, this is an excellent defensive line with multiple players who will eventually play in the NFL.
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Linebacker
The departed: USF lost First Team all-Big East Strongside 'backer Tyrone McKenzie, who led the team in tackles (116) and tackles for loss (14.5), to go with a sack, a pick, and eight pass breakups. He is the only significant loss.
USF will still have a strong linebacker corps, and is starts with Senior middle linebacker Kion Wilson, an 11 game starter as a junior at 6'2" 235. He is the big hitter who started 11 games a year ago. His backup will be Michael Lanaris, 6'1" 230 and one of the better linebackers in Florida coming from 2007.
Senior Chris Robinson is currently projected to replace the departed McKenzie on the strong side. At 6'3" 240lbs, he is an decent force player who had a good spring. Some USF fans aren't pleased with him, however, and wonder if he will ever put it all together. A former defensive end, he's an excellent blitzer but also has limited range and is the guy the Bulls pull when facing a 3, 4, or 5 wideout set. Also competing for the job is JUCO stud JaQuan Williams. Phil Steele projects Williams to start at one of the outside backer spots, but I'm not sure on that. Needless to say, he is talented. Sam Barrington and Armando Sanchez also factor in here, but their roles are undetermined right now.
At weakside linebacker, the Bulls will plug in 6' 0" 230lb junior Sabbath Joseph, who played in ever game last season, but not as a starter. He's excellent in coverage but is a bit on the small side and can struggle getting off blocks. Backing him up will be 6' 3", 222lb Senior Donte Spires. He was an excellent JUCO recruit who played well in 2007 and was ineligible last year (academics- redshirt). Don't be surprised if he starts.
Overall this is a decent linebacker corps. None would start for Florida State, Miami, or UF, but they are good.
Lack of Sacks
One thing that was really puzzling to me was USF's lack of sacks. The disparity in their run and pass defense was huge, as they were 10th against the run and 78th against the pass. The Bulls had only 23 sacks in 401 passing plays (sack rate of 6.1%). Part of the reason was Selvie being banged up, but other players also must step up. If they don't, look for the Bulls to blitz more.
Front 7 Size
If you've been following the 'Noles and reading our site closely, you'd know about the correlation between front 7 size and defensive success. In three of FSU's 4 loses in 2008, they faced monstrous front 7 defenses that were amongst the best in the nation: UF (1845lbs), Wake Forest (1875lbs), and Boston College (1902lbs). As the linked article explains, a stout front 7 affords a defense many benefits. A front 7 of 1830lbs or more really begins to help a defense. FSU gashed most teams under 1830lbs last year.
USF's defense weighs in at 1810lbs, which is good but not great. When a team is not big enough to stop the run with their front 7, they have to devote an extra defender (defensive back) to the run, creating an 8-man front. USF does just that. Of course, that creates a disadvantage for the secondary and limits the possible coverages, but it's a tradeoff that USF makes. They absolutely sell out for the run.
This is an interesting case, because size wise, USF's front 7 is above average, but they are 35+ lbs smaller (and definitely less talented) than the 2008 defenses which shut down FSU's run game. I assume USF will try to stop the run without the extra defender, at least initially, and then will bring the 8th man down into the box. that presents an interesting quandary for the Bulls:
- If USF plays 8 in the box and accounts for the deep ball, FSU will bubble screen them to death. (Like Miami, NC State for a bit, and MD did some in 2008)
- If USF plays 8 in the box and tries to account for the bubble screen, FSU will go deep. (like Va Tech forced FSU to do)
- If USF plays honest defense (7 in the box), stays in 2-deep coverage, the 'Noles will run the ball.
Most likely, USF will go with the 2nd option and force FSU to beat them deep as Virginia Tech did (and FSU did beat them deep), because it's a high risk but potentially high reward strategy, and as the inferior team, USF will need to take risks. The Bulls will do everything in their power to stop the run and have done so for years.
If USF is somehow able to stop the 'Nole running game with only 7 men, however, they have a serious shot to pull the upset. It truly is an interesting case and will test the "rule of 1830lbs."
Secondary
Having that extreme dedication to stopping the run does cost USF, however, as their 78th ranked pass defense indicates. USF asks a lot of it's defensive backs (probably too much). That approach could prove interesting this year.
The Departed: USF loses strong safety Carlton Williams, who was their defensive player of the year with his 56 tackles and 3 interceptions. Williams played well for the Bulls, but he wasn't an elite talent and will not be playing pro ball. They also lost one-year starter Tyller Roberts at cornerback, and underrated safety Louis Gachette.
What they're working with:
At boundary corner, USF returns Senior Jerome Murphy. The 6'1" 190lb Murply had an amazing 67 tackles from his corner position to go with his 7 pass breakups and 2 interceptions. He is lightning quick and a coach favorite and should compete for 1st, 2nd, or 3rd team all-conference honors. His backup is redshirt freshman George Baker.
At field corner will probably be sophomores Quenton Washington and Tyson Butler. Both are average talents who will be tested early and often. They have potential but must work on their consistency.
USF played over half their 2008 snaps in a Nickel formation (5 defensive backs), so the nickel corner position is vital to their defense (or it was last year). The loser of the Washington/ Butler competition will square off against redshirt freshman Jon Lejiste. The field and nickel corner spots are big unknowns for the bulls team and depth could be an issue (though not against FSU, because USF shouldn't suffer much attrition prior to the 'Nole game due to their pathetic opening schedule).
The bulls have a stud in Free safety Nate Allen. He's 6' 2" 205lbs and a serious NFL prospect. Allen will be counted on to be the leader of this group. He had 53 tackles last year, but the bulls would like to be able to use him in more of a centerfield role. Of course, that will depend on their ability to stop the run without over-committing their defensive backs to the run game, similar to how FSU wasn't able to showcase Myron Rolle because the 'Noles needed him to help with their run defense. Allen is a candidate for the Thorpe award.
After starting South Florida's bowl game in December, the sophomore Jerrell Young will take on the starting job at strong safety. Like Allen, he's also 6'2" 205lbs and is a huge hitter. Young has a lot of talent but must put it together quickly. USF wants to have allen focus more on the pass and use Young as their 8th defender against the run.
Consistency is really the name of the game for the Bulls secondary. The new defensive coordinator likes to be very aggressive, and that should work because this secondary is already hyper-aggressive. It could hurt the Bulls, however, when teams hit them deep with double moves.
Can the Bulls improve on their 2008 defense? It really depends. Most likely USF will take a step back in run defense and improve somewhat in pass defense. Their 2008 disparity (10th and 78th) was silly. They will be better if their front 7 can stop the run without much help and their front 4 can generate a solid pass rush. If they continue to throw everything at the run and hang their defensive backs out to dry, however, they could have a rough year, depending on whether the corners can handle their responsibilities. I look for USF's defense to again be top 40 nationally (39th last year), with a run defense in the top 25 and a pass defense that climbs back into the top half nationally. They should have a top 4 defense in the Big East. If the Bulls are to have a shot at winning in Tallahassee, they must have a great defensive performance, selling out for the run grabbing a few turnovers.
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| 1 | Florida State | 0.107 |
| 2 | Syracuse | 0.086 |
| 5 | UCLA | 0.052 |
| 8 | Miami | 0.045 |
| 10 | Wisconsin | 0.038 |
| 11 | LSU | 0.037 |
| 16 | North Carolina State | 0.021 |
| 23 | Texas | 0.016 |
| 29 | Pittsburgh | 0.012 |
| 37 | Duke | 0.008 |
| 44 | Florida | 0.004 |
| 48 | Clemson | 0.001 |
| 51 | Virginia Tech | 0 |
| 52 | Vanderbilt | -0.002 |
| 53 | Maryland | -0.002 |
| 56 | BYU | -0.004 |
| 57 | North Carolina | -0.005 |
| 61 | USC | -0.006 |
| 70 | Georgia Tech | -0.012 |
| 71 | South Florida | -0.012 |
| 83 | Rutgers | -0.021 |
| 93 | Virginia | -0.029 |
| 94 | Wake Forest | -0.029 |
| 106 | Boston College | -0.044 |
| 120 | Auburn | -0.093 |
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Jason Paul-Pierre
Wasn’t he a JUCO that wanted an FSU offer last year? I forget why or how that didn’t work out. I think we got his highlight tapes very late in the game and then interest waned.
Yes, that's him.
He’s a very good prospect.
by Bud Elliott on Jul 29, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
what you say about the size and there front 7
its true but thats going to be the way all our games are for the most part. At least agenst the teams that run a 4-3. I dont know what teams dont I think WF doesnt. The good thing is that we have Miami, Jac St, and BYU going into this game. We are going to have a better idea about what our o-line will be going up agenst. We should have a better play almost like what WF came in last year. We were not ready I think that dont happen again.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
I totally agree, Des.
Wake’s D will be way down this year.
by Bud Elliott on Jul 29, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I imagine our line can start holding their own against the heavier lines since they’ve spent another year under Trickett and Stroud.
by evenflow58 on Jul 29, 2009 11:50 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
another option
In regards to this anlysis:
If USF plays 8 in the box and accounts for the deep ball, FSU will bubble screen them to death. (Like Miami, NC State for a bit, and MD did some in 2008)
If USF plays 8 in the box and tries to account for the bubble screen, FSU will go deep. (like Va Tech forced FSU to do)
If USF plays honest defense (7 in the box), stays in 2-deep coverage, the ’Noles will run the ball.
Is there another offensive option for the Noles? I guess what I’m asking is Coach Fisher going to put more plays into the offense this year?
you know I dont think he needs to at lt least not this early in the season
At the same time I could see it going back into ACC play.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
you know the best part about this is we have EJ to run the scout team
We have the Offense to run to get a great look at USF. If we can get to the game 3-0 I think we will be in good shape. out of the first 4 games I think BYU would be the hardest and coming off a win there and them going into the first game agenst a real school. Blam
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
thanks FSUncensored
Thanks. As always great anlysis. I haven’t commented much lately on TN- my Orlando Magic got alot of my attention these past few months- BUT I am a faithful reader of this great website.
BTW
A buddy of mine says he a spot for me at the USF game in a corporate “box”. I’ve been to Doak many times and know of the University Club – are the corporate boxes in the University Club?
I think having chump games
before us really helps their defensive line. Fresh legs for them is going to go a long way. That is going to be a dangerous pass rush… hopefully we have a healthy O-Line and have improved pass pro by then.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
It is hard to forsee that they will one have 23 total sacks again.
with the talent, size and speed they have up front. Selvie has all the tools to turn that around.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
The other side is that they won't have a true test. They won't have a feel
for the speed of the game against a quality opponent.
I’m not sure how much impact it will have, but I think a little of it could be seen last year in our 3rd game against Wake after blowing out Western Carolina and Chattanooga.
They should be able to remain pretty healthy thru their first 3 though.
We have talked about it on here
and it goes both ways. However, I imagine DL’s would prefer to have fresh legs in a game like that. Remember it wasn’t so much out DL that gave out against Wake, it was the offense. In the trenches, ‘freshness’ (for lack of a better word) seems like it would win out. Man….I love all of this actual football talk. I am ready for some ball.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
I think we can all agree
that the jury is for the most part still out. He has some great tools and he has also experienced some growing pains. However, the offense seems to be growing around him, which should open up more and more opportunities. I like Ponder, I think he is solid, but he’s got a long way to go.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

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