Monday Morning Tomahawks- Wednesday, 07.29.09 Edition
by Bud Elliott on Jul 29, 2009 1:33 PM EDT
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- The Tomahawk Nation 2009 Official T-Shirts are here! Order today and get them by August 24th!
- The Pre-Season All-ACC Team was announced. Did any 'Noles make it?
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- How explosive was FSU's offense last year?
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- An excellent look at GTech's passing game
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- A well written take on the ACC's parity
- A statistical breakdown of ACC predictions
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Preseason All-ACC team announced - ACC - ESPN
Florida State got two- Rodney Hudson and Dekoda Watson. VTech and GTech each had three. Clemson had two, and none on defense which is insane considering their defense is even better than VTech's. BC got two linemen. I can't complain here, because McMahon struggled last year. The Coastal had 14 players, the Atlantic 11.
GREENSBORO, N.C. - Florida State senior linebacker Dekoda Watson and junior guard Rodney Hudson earned preseason All-ACC football honors, following Monday's vote by media members attending the league's football kickoff at Grandover Resort.
The Seminoles' lone representatives on the 24-member team, Watson and Hudson were the top vote-getters at their respective positions.
Watson finished fourth on the team with 46 tackles in 2008, despite missing three games and suffering an elbow injury against Colorado in his first appearance of the season. The injury, which required offseason surgery, did not prevent him from posting a career-high 10 tackles and blocking a punt for a safety in the win over the Buffaloes. He closed the season with 28 tackles over the final four games and added a 51-yard fumble return for a touchdown in the Seminoles' Champs Sports Bowl rout of Wisconsin.
Hudson followed up his Freshman All-American campaign in 2007 with an equally-impressive sophomore season, earning first-team All-ACC honors in 2008 as he established himself as one of the top guards in the nation. He participated in a team-high 893 snaps, was penalized only once and allowed one sack while leading all FSU linemen with the top passing or running grade 16 times. Hudson was selected ACC Offensive Linemen of the Week a league-high, three times.
Barnhart Joins CBS College Sports Network's Roster - 2009-07-29 12:09:35 EDT | Multichannel News
Tony Barnhart will join CBS College Sports Network as the host of a primetime college football talk show in September. Since we're with CBS now too, we are being considered for some appearances.
Phil Steele- Florida State
We are now the official FSU correspondent for Phil Steele. This was an off-season update we put together.
ACC Offensive Plays Per Touchdown in 2008 - Gobbler Country
A look at rushing and passing offensive explosiveness for ACC teams in 2008. FSU was 1st in rushing and average in passing.
- Brandon Davis: 1st time benching 400 lbs/power clean of 300 lbs
- Andrew Datko: 100 lbs improvement in bench- now 405 lbs (weighs 293lbs w/ 16% bodyfat)
- Greenlee: 370>405 lbs in bench- 5.1 40yd dash
- Dionte Allen: 225> 300 lbs in bench
- AJ Alexander: 225> 300 lbs in bench, 9' 8" Broad Jump
- Harley: weighs 210, 375 lbs in bench, 4.31/40yd (crazy), 11ft. Broad Jump
- Little: 330>380 in bench
- Jacobbi: 385 lbs bench
- Nigel Carr had a really nice summer.
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Conditioning Photo Gallery!
Florida State Football Summer Conditioning
50 Pictures of the team and video, plus interviews of Bert Reed and Kendrick Stewart.
Its ClemPson dammit, not Clemzzzun: Clemson Sports Blog: GT: Defending the Run & Shoot
Just an excellent breakdown. Well worth the read.
The Quad Countdown: No. 35 Clemson - The Quad Blog - NYTimes.com
Clemson has come a long way from its 3-3 start in 2008, but the Tigers have some work to do in order to win the A.C.C. Atlantic division.
The Red Herring of Conference- good stuff from Spencer.
2009 ACC Media Predictions Broken Down - From The Rumble Seat
How accurate are the media's preseason predictions? Bird digs a little deeper inside the numbers.
FootballOutsiders.com Mentions TomahawkNation
Smart Football: Responses to responses about David and Goliath Strategies
Responds to MattDNole's series. Great back and forth.
2009 ACC Media Predictions Broken Down - From The Rumble Seat
How accurate are the media's preseason predictions? Bird digs a little deeper inside the numbers.
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has TN gone main stream.
WOW this is a lot to take in not about FSU but TN. all these Football people want in on us(the TN people) cant wait tell they see TrueCubbie B-ball stuff. hahahahahahah
Lost of things going on and nothing about Bobby Im so happy hes staying away form the news.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
Hey did anyone hear Football Outsiders
mentioned Tomahawk Nation?
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
Hah, I figured it was. Just giving you a hard time.
Also, that “Red Herring” article may be a bad link…I couldn’t get it to open.
Great links today though.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
Ok I gotta ask
What am I missing?
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jul 29, 2009 5:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Jajuan Harley
Has there been a more physically impressive incoming freshmen at FSU?? I can’t think of one in recent years.
Question, he’s essentially coming just about where Derrick Brooks was (6-2, 200ish), is there a chance he may grow himself out of safety and into a hybrid OLB?? Given our need at LB, I wonder if MA may try him there in passing situations.
Do we need him more at safety or LB this season??
by FtLauderdaleNole on Jul 29, 2009 3:06 PM EDT reply actions
IMO
His best attribute may be his 4.31 speed. I don’t think he can keep that when he adds the 20 lbs necessary for him to play linebacker. We could use the depth at LB for sure, but I don’t think the coaches will do it. Also, I don’t think the 20 lbs he would have to add very quickly to try to provide any kind of meaningful depth this season would be good weight. I think our recruiting will rectify the depth situation at LB after we get through this year, and I think Harley will remain an imposing safety prospect.
Harley weighs 210
But regardless of that, I don’t think he moves to LB. We have moved numerous players from Safety to LB and I don’t think that trend will continue. Especially with this expected to be MA’s last season. He like smaller LB’s while Jimbo favors LB’s with size that can move as well. More like the Bradham’s of the world. Jajuan Harley is a Safety and pray with everything in me that he stays there.
Not to mention
that Jimbo reportedly likes DBs with some size, particularly safeties. At 210 with corner speed (at least straight line corner speed), he could be the kind of physical safety needed to, oh, cover a tight end?
by Wild@Heart Nole on Jul 29, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I was saying he'd have to get to 230 to meaningfully contribute
We all know why 210-220 lb linebackers are speed bumps
Nigel Bradham
Harley is a total freak.
FSU is completely done with 225-230lb linebackers after this year. You won’t see a kid under 230 playing backer for us anymore unless he is a situational player of some sort.
Harley will play safety and should be great for us.
I wonder if we don’t see him on kickoff returns… he did it in high school.
definitely a safety.
I didn’t see any linebacker atrributes in Vroom Vroom’s videos.
Those measurables are plain batty, but it’s so tough to rely on a true Frosh at such an important position. Inconsistenty is almost a given, but the future is blinding.
by The K-Man on Jul 29, 2009 3:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah he is a safety
He gets out of position tackling, and LB can’t utilize his recovery speed/ ballhawking.
He is an excellent kick returner as well, he and Reid excelled at it in HS.
Not Ja'Baris Little
I hope we have the nations fastest kicking squad because they are outrunning him in the Democrat pictures.
I think Little will be serviceable
but Reliford will surprise. Caz will continue to be the consistent hard working contributor that he’s always been.
What Caz are you watching? Guy has been irrelevent.
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
The only Caz on the team
TE has more than one job and he does his very well. He isn’t considered a pass catching threat but usually when its thrown his way he makes the play.
not knocking the guy at all
Because I think he filled a need admirably even though he wasn’t born to be a tight end. He looked a little awkward on many of his looks last year. I do agree that his blocking was invaluable. From the reports I’ve read, Reliford might be the most potentially lethal TE we’ve had in ages. Hopefully, the BBall agility and pass catching prowess won’t be accompanied by poor blocking ability.
by The K-Man on Jul 29, 2009 7:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh don't be confused
I’m banking on Reliford in the passing game because he has the athleticism edge on Caz and the work ethic edge on Little (which isn’t saying very much at all). But the coaches have been really impressed with Reliford so hopefully he can contribute a good deal in the passing game this season.
He's an absolute beast on NCAA
Good blocker and kills it going over the middle with his height!
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2
by tdchrisdavis on Jul 29, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
he’s actually been one of the best tight ends in the conference. We asked him to block and he was better than our starting tackle. And he was in his first year as a tight end after bulking up huge to play tackle for us.
by Bud Elliott on Jul 29, 2009 7:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He is a bona fide extra lineman, I agree. Nothing less, nothing more.
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
I give him more
He’s caught a couple of important passes. Remember, our offense has never been one to LOOK FOR the TE. He’ll have more of an opportunity to make plays if he has to. But I still don’t expect him to be the first TE target.
We do or did when we actually had a TE, see Pearsall, Sprague, Henshaw and Warren
Those were different OC’s though.
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
He was also playing in his 1s year back as a tight end.
Caz has lost 15ish lbs this off-season.
Love the Ty Cobb quote..
Thanks
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
I'm not arguing that he will light the world on fire,
but Matt Spaeth was a huge weapon for Minnesota and I think Caz can be similar.
Recent freshman freak athletes
Xavier Lee- not many guys can throw 60 yards from their knees
Adrian McPherson- Mr Football and Mr Basketball in Florida
Antonio Cromartie- you know
I would
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
Meh
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
Only when you include his arm
Like D’Vo. D’Vo was only a special athlete because he could throw. He was never the fastest or strongest for his size. When the arm is added in, it makes a big difference.
Not sure I follow
AD could do anything, literally, anything on a football field or basketball court. Great arm, great speed, jumping ability through the roof, not to mention his unreal dunking ability and stroke on the b-ball court.
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
What?
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
AD
Wasnt the best basketball player in FL. He wasn’t the best basketball player in SWFL.
Wasn’t the best football player in FL. He wasn’t the best football player in SWFL.
To each his own I guess.
He was better that Dishon Platt, lol…
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
DiShon Platt
was the best athlete in the state. He was better at basketball and football. He owned all those Bradenton kids in track. He made all the Manatee kids, Ft Myers kids, and Venice kids look stupid on the field, and court.
He is the best athlete I’ve ever seen in person, and I have seen a lot of special players.
You are loyal, I ll give you that.
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
Still have to disagree
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
Did you watch them both play many many times?
I did. Platt’s skills get undersold because he never got to school.
McPherson’s get oversold because of the awards.
Keep in mind, freaking AJ Graham was Mr. Football last year. Who never got recruited by any of the big three.
No, I understand what you are saying.
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
We will never know
Its a shame with both those guys.
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
Ray Finkle
on a side note, P-Dub was a good basketball and football player for the Southeast Seminoles, but the greatest baller and shot caller from that area was “Touchdown” Tommy Frazier. In todays spread offense, he would have been a beast.
Remember when Nebraska played Florida for the NC, and Osborne came out in 5-wides? That was genius. Frazier ran buck-wild that day.
Also, the Gators did that stupid " Ride the Train Choo-Choo" thing before the game and got steam-rolled like a semi running over a turd.
by LincolnHighNole on Jul 29, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I consider
Cromartie
Moss
Noel Devine
Sean Taylor
Freak athletes. Their speed/acceleration isn’t natural for their size.
Our DBs are shaping up to be ridiculous.
I think these have 1st round talent (assuming their talent translates to on the field production):
Patrick Robinson
Harley
Reid
Parks
Downs if he makes it back….
Pretty good for a team that’s rebuilding talent.
Definitely agree
Nick Moody can be scary as well if he really can move as well as the coaches believe. The fact that he’s survived as long as he as with at Safety with MA calling the shots (usually at his size, 235 he would’ve been moved to LB a long time ago). He reportedly runs a 4.5 and he hits like a truck.
Also, you neglected to mention Gerald Demps, I think he’s gone forgotten a bit in this class but he was rated pretty high and is a product of Lowndes.
Yeah, Deion hates FSU....
(insert laughing smiley)
Though I wish he could’ve made it back for Showtime.
It went right over my head. I read it as you didn't know. You win, I concede. {:-) (Smiley face with a unibrow)
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
some tracks while I type http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsU6_eSG4k4
The column on Gano is awesome..and yes he was the MVP of last season.
Guys anyway to make the football/basketball thing easier to navigate?…I can’t hardly find truecubbie’s stuff.
"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein
You can also see everything any member has written if you click on their screen name.
It will bring up their profile. THen you will find a tab that says blog…has everything in there.
The “Basketball” tab on the front page also contains all of the articles.
www.Tomahawknation.com
well maybe not exactly as you explain it above… the ACC previews was what I was looking for…I only could find part 3
"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein
Using the search feature (top right)
I clicked “advanced”, then searched for “preview” by user “truecubbie”
This came up
http://www.tomahawknation.com/search?advanced_search=true&all_these_words=preview&any_of_these_words=&btn_advanced=Search&created_after=&created_after_freeform=&created_before=&created_before_freeform=&order=date&page=2&results_per_page=10&scope=community&search_user[username]=truecubbie&this_exact_phrase=&type=
I dunno…maybe it was leftover from 2008-2009 and I just thought it was new.
Thought it odd that it wasn’t higher up. The “film room” link is broken.
FSUncensored….press credentials…maybe you could ask Corey Clark how to go about that he seems a nice guy. Hell if he isn’t reading this site he should be. Maybe as a “cub” reporter? ;-)
Thing is FSU like EVERY major organization exerts whatever control it can. Much as I enjoy this site it is might well be too frank and honest. (Read scathing opinions of staff will be repressed wherever possible…see past work experience Peter Tom Willis)
"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein
We won't take them if they try
to exert control over what we write.
I’m not sure what film link you’re referring to.
http://www.tomahawknation.com/section/inside-the-seminole-film-r this link “Inside the Seminoles film room” I think is the label.
"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein
Yeah, we re-classified everything.
Use the search feature instead, makes it easier to find exactly what you’re looking for. Good catch.
hmmm maybe that’s the problem? needs to be ‘film-room’ not ‘film-r’? that was a "copy link location and paste.
"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein
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