Progression, Stagnation, or Regression? Wide Receivers and Tight End
Every day while catching up on my daily Nole must reads, I very often wonder to myself, "Are my 2009 Noles going to be better than last year’s team?"
In the first part of this series, we analyzed the Defensive Line. Today we will take a look at the Wide Receivers and Tight Ends to determine if this unit has progressed, is stagnant, or has regressed in comparison to last years group.
Even though Jimbo Fisher and WR Coach Lawrence Dawsey have already released the preliminary and projected depth chart, I am willing to bet that if you were to talk to either one privately and off the record, neither one really knows who our top receivers will be this season.
I will not, and I do not think any of us need to beat a dead horse any longer by rehashing the fiasco that was our WR corps last season. Therefore, I will ignore the logistic nightmares that this group caused the coaches and their teammates with their "issues", and only present what they accomplished when they were actually allowed to be on the field and allowed to participate.
While it seems that the coaches have a laundry list of players available to put into game situations this year, none of those players have yet earned a reputation or can be considered a pass catching weapon that will really scare any of the opposing defenses. Will this be a problem that could affect the running game?
Last seasons lack of a deep passing game (other than the occasional jump ball downfield) along with the poor pass blocking have been very well documented here, and is something most of our regular TN readers are all too familiar with. While these two factors did contribute to an inadequate passing game, much of the blame also lies with the receivers running lazy and sloppy routes, they lacked clean and crisp cuts, and had a high number of dropped passes during the ‘08 campaign. Relying only on my memory and without any research to back this up, I believe our passing game’s bread and butter consisted of the WR or bubble screen. Fortunately we had above average down field blocking that created some very nice gains and kept us competitive in many close games.
Here are a couple of interesting (sad?) tidbits.
A) Three out of the top five wide outs from last season, Greg Carr, Preston Parker, and Corey Surrency are no longer on the team and the third most productive receiver, Taiwan Easterling missed all of the spring drills with a ruptured Achilles. He is apparently recovering nicely and ahead of schedule and may be ready by the first game. The first few weeks of practice will be very telling as to his recovery and his potential to play. Of the 174 passes caught by receivers in 2008, players responsible for 91 of those receptions are gone, and 30 (Easterling) are questionable.
2) Outside of Bert Reed’s 23 catches, not a single receiver on the roster caught more than 20 passes in 2008 and only one (Rod Owens) caught 10 or more.
D) FSU should get a boost with the return of redshirt senior Richard Goodman who caught 20 passes as a junior in 2007, and now has his legal problems behind him, but who must still serve his music suspension.
Last year the tight ends were once again not a factor in the passing game since they had to stay at home to help with the pass protection, thus eliminating another receiving threat and allowing the defense to either double up on a WR, or send another defender to rush and to pressure our QB. When this last scenario occurred the blocking TE, usually Caz, was very often cancelled out by the extra pass rusher and in many cases, the QB did not have time to look at his first, much less his second read.
Caz was basically playing as an extra lineman more than a receiver to help a young and inexperienced offensive line. On top of that, the Seminoles’ other two tight ends were both true freshmen. Despite his decent work as a blocker, Piurowski still established single-season career highs for catches (8), yards (83) and touchdowns (1). For the second time in the last three years, Piurowski averaged over 10 yards a reception in 2008. Bo Reliford and Ja’Baris Little combined for just one catch in their true freshman seasons. The bottom line though, our TE’s only caught a total of 9 passes all season.
Jimbo has said on several occasions during this off season that the tight end WILL be a factor in the passing game this year. If he keeps his word, Ponder will have two different 6'7" targets that can release a few moments after, or at the snap, find a seam in the secondary, and do what opposing teams have been doing to us for longer than I care to remember. Also, if Jimbo keeps his word, our defense will be forced to cover the TE during practices, and maybe this will teach them that the TE is indeed a eligible receiver in football (but I digress and this will be covered at a later date).
Once again just as in the previous story, we realize we lost some very good individual talent. I ask that you please remember that we want to try to look at the unit as a whole when you finally do vote, as to whether this collective unit has progressed, has remained stagnant, or has regressed, compared to last years unit.
OK now we will compare the two groups of Wide Receivers and Tight Ends.
2008 X WR=Greg Carr started 12 games and Jarmon Forston started 1 against Chattanooga. Carr is gone (Rec=39, Yds=542, Avg=13.9, TD=4, Avg/Gm=41.7).
2009 PROJECTED X WR=Bert Reed and Avis Commack
2008 Y WR (Slot)=Taiwan Easterling started 8 games, Ja’Baris Little (TE) started one, and Marcus Sims (FB) started 4 games.
2009 PROJECTED Y WR=Taiwan Easterling and Louis Givens
2008 Z WR=Preston Parker started 8 games, Rod Owens started 3, Corey Surrency started 1, and Bert Reed started 1 game. Parker (Rec=40, Yds=372, Avg=9.3, TD=2, Avg/Gm=37.2) and Surrency (Rec=12, Yds=237, Avg=19.8, TD=4, Avg/Gm=21.5) are both gone.
2009 PROJECTED Z WR=Jarmon Forston, Richard Goodman (Suspended first 3 or 4 games), and Rod Owens
2008 TIGHT END=Caz Piurowski started 9 games, Josh Dobbie started 2, Preston Parker (WR) started 1, and Corey Surrency (WR) started 1.
2009 PROJECTED TIGHT END=Caz Piurowski, Beau Reliford, and Ja’Baris Little.
OTHERS WHO CONTRIBUTED IN 2008 AND ARE NOW GONE=Corey Surrency (probably one of the best downfield blocking WR I have seen since Anquan Boldin).
OTHERS WHO MAY CONTRIBUTE IN 2009=Cameron Wade, Matt Dunham will play more of a H-Back role (think smaller pass catching tight end), Josh Gehres, Timothy Orange, Ashuwa Richardson, Willie Haulstead, Rodney Smith
Well there you have it. I guess the real question is not if Carr, Parker, and Surrency can be replaced, but whether their replacements will be able to make up the 10 TD’s, the 91 Rec’s, and the over 100 yards per game that left with them, and are no longer available to us. The question is whether any of the receivers will be able to provide the down field blocking that Surrency and Parker (sometimes) provided. The question is whether Easterling will return to close to 100% of his former self. The question is whether Fisher will keep his word and finally throw to one of the TE’s as promised, at least 3 or 4 times a game.
I believe these are a lot of obstacles to overcome. I also believe that we have heard the last of our WR "issues" and this will provide Ponder with the stability at WR which was so desperately missing last year. Things got so bad that we had TE’s and FB's starting games at WR, and WR's starting at TE, which I believe is something that is now behind us and in the past. I believe Easterling will be close to his old self. And finally, I believe Jimbo will make the TE’s a integral part of the offense like we have not seen in many years, because our OL should be much improved in their pass blocking to where Caz or Beau can finally be utilized as receivers.
MY BOTTOM LINE FOR THE WIDE RECEIVERS AND TIGHT END=PROGRESSION.
What is your bottom line? Please vote now.
Now with the defensive line, receivers and tight ends out of the way, please stay tuned for the linebackers, secondary, backfield, offensive line, and special teams.
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Tougher than I expected
Because we are looking at the unit as a whole. I think the tight ends will be much improved and will be a factor in the passing game. I think the receivers have the potential to be improved over the fiasco that was last year’s corps. But potential does not equal success, as we have learned, and I really think it’s going to be a slow start. A running game like the one we’re expecting should help immensely, and hopefully we’ll see a few big plays created by an 8 man box to defend it. I really think it’s going to be tough to compare because of how much the running game will improve the stats, as well as (hopefully) a vertical passing game. I think a lot will depend on how healthy Taiwan is because out of the three projected starters minus Goodman, I have the most faith in him as a route runner. Because of the slow start I’m anticipating, I’ll have to say stagnation, but I think this could be a dangerous unit by the end of the year.
You make some good arguments, but I like you last few words best.
I think this could be a dangerous unit by the end of the year.
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Will the fact that
“none of those players have yet earned a reputation or can be considered a pass catching weapon that will really scare any of the opposing defenses” cause a problem for our running game?
Not if the OL gives Ponder time to throw. If that happens, The Unknown Receiving Corps will become an advantage. Opposing D’s will be caught off guard and won’t know which WR to key on.
Likewise, if Ponder shreds a secondary or two early on, then teams later in the schedule won’t be able to key on our running game anymore. With our backs and OL, we could really make them pay for that.
That’s the way miami used to do it. And I’ll be honest here, I used to really envy their balanced offenses that kept Mickey off guard and pulled off big plays when needed. In ’99, our championship year, miami was coming back from probation and they gave us all we could handle. I suspected what was coming for us in 2000, and it did. We were soooo one-dimensional.
Now we are the ones with the balanced attack. It will be fun to take people by surprise.
If it all comes together like you said, it will be a vicious circle for the opposing defenses.
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This kool-aid tastes great
I must just be in a bad mood today, but I’m not buying what you guys are selling.
I’ve been known to enjoy the kool-aid, but I think we’re likely to struggle most of the season to get things going and keep them going.
Try drinking it without the rum, especially in the morning. HA
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It can only get better...
Everyone thinks we are facing a lot of issues at wr this year but last years mess was as bad as it gets. Will this year’s group be as good or better than carr and parker’s monumental underachieving disappointment? I think so. Florida State always has talent at these positions they just need to stay out of trouble and stay focused and play 100%
Our TE use has ALWAYS been a disappointment and have been so enraged by our inability to use them for so long. If we effectively utilize them now the entire offense will get drastically better. Jimbo gives me hope but after so many years of wondering why we don’t use the TE more, I’ll believe it when I see it…
All I am asking for is 3-4 passes, or dump offs, to the TE. Is this asking too much?
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I actually think that using our TE's in practice to help our defense is even more important than their use on offense
If our defense learns proper coverage skills on TE’s from us throwing to them in practice then a huge hole in our defense can be remedied. A larger, stronger front 7 mixed with good TE coverage skills allows CBs and safeties to do what they were intended to do for the most part.
+1 and we will be discussing this further in the near future.
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Actually, only since 1994
Zeke Mowatt, Orson Mobley, Pat Carter, Reggie Johnson, Lonnie Johnson were all receiving threats before Richt took over as OC after the ’93 season. Brad Scott and his predecessors would use the TE.
So lets hold off on that “always” word, ok, you youngun?
by Wild@Heart Nole on Jul 31, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
All of those you mentioned did catch more passes than what we have seen in like you said 15 years, and they all did go on to have decent NFL careers.
but we have never really been a TE pass friendly program. UF’s TE last year caught somewhere around 36 passes, so he must have been thrown to at least around 40 times.
THAT’S WHAT I’M TALKIN ’BOUT
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How many TE "pass friendly" programs
were there before the mid ’90s? FSU threw to the TE as about as much as anyone before ’94 as anyone.
The point would be that in the 90s through now, the TE became more of an element of many passing offenses, while at FSU the position as a receiver regressed. And look it up – from Pat Carter to Lonnie Johnson, FSU was a top TE school to the NFL. If not for Keith Jackson in the same draft, Pat Carter would have been the highest TE taken in a couple of decades when he went 32 overall in 1988. Reggie topped that, going 30th in 1991, and Lonnie went #61 in 94. I believe the Johnsons (unrelated) were the highest TEs taken those years – it wasn’t until the late 90s that teams regularly considered TEs as day one picks.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Jul 31, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I do not dispute any of what you are saying, and you are correct about it being a different time then, than it is now re: offensive philosophies.
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By "pass friendly" I meant in terms of the 30-40 rec's a year, which is probably not a fair comparison.
Again based on my memory, (which has been known to be fuzzy) I don’t recall any of our TE’s ever catching near 20 in a year. I could be wrong, but I don’t think so.
2 passes per game to a TE will equal 22-26 per year (depending on the number of games played) and even that I do not recall ever happening to the best of my recollection since 1978.
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I stand corrected
it has only been 15 years of inadequate TE use, during which miami has had some nasty ones work wonders on us
by garnetandgold on Jul 31, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Some that come quickly to mind,
A) Bubba Franks
2) Jeremy Shockey
D) Greg Olsen
5) Kellen Winslow Jr
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Don't leave Dave Roberts off of that list!
He punished miami, and I used to work with him. :)
btw, Brad Scott ran Wayne McDuffey’s offense after he left. He and Richt learned from WD who (according to a trainer at the time who is now an attorney I know) was a brilliant strategist. I thought it was funny when USC-east hired BS after our ’93 championship game and UGA hired MR after the one ’99. The “secret sauce”, as both scholls learned, was our r-e-c-r-u-i-t-i-n-g.
by PeachTreeNole on Jul 31, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Slight stagnation
if that makes sense.
I think compared to later last season, things will have regressed early. Later on, it really depends how practice players become game time players. And how the true freshmen jump on the learning curve and if they contribute. Also key here is OL progress. If the front five can hold up with little help from blocking backs and TEs, the back out of the backfield and the TE can free to be a receiving option. That’ll spread a defense, allowing a receiver who can be shut down by tight or double coverage to have some room.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Jul 31, 2009 11:37 AM EDT reply actions
Barring injuries, I can't see how the O Line will not improve. But we will cross that bridge in a few days.
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Agree - Regression
A.) Did our pass protection get better towards the end of the season last year? I could probably look it up, as I’m sure it’s here somewhere….I keep hearing that pass protection is going to be soooooo much better. I lost my kool-aid cup on this one. I hope people who say this are right, but I’m skeptical.
2.) If the blocking isn’t there this season, the bubble won’t be there. I think this isn’t as much of a given as it was at times last year.
C.) Anyone want to add up the number of dropped balls by the returning players vs. leaving players? I’m just concerned that this problem doesn’t “go away” with the departing players.
Bottom Line: The coaches put the players they thought were best on the field last year. I don’t think magical transformations will have happened this off-season on the O-Line or the WR corps. Sure they got stronger, but so did the DL’s they’ll face.
they put the best "eligible" players on the field...
and greg carr at half effort is not as good as a true freshman at full effort
by garnetandgold on Jul 31, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
fair enough
but that’s semantics….they put the people on the field that they had available that would give them the best results. The people Frank listed were behind those people (except for the injured) on the depth chart last year.
JD, first of all get it right. It is A) 2) D) dammit!
A) I think so but I don’t want to get into that until that part of the series.
2) The bubble was there last year and the blocking was inadequate. It is used almost out of necessity because the line can’t hold blocks.
C) D) That is probably true, but I don’t know how to do it. I do remember Surrency dropped a few (which is the only knock I will give him), Carr and Parker also. But that is probably because they were thrown to the most.
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clarification
A.) my name is JD (nickname PBD), and I haven’t seen home alone in like 15 years, so sorry if i screwed up the imaginary numbering convention without refering to it in someone else’s post. I’ll work on that and get it right for next time.
2.) in my correctly numbered 2.) above, I was refering to the WR blocking, seeing as how the article was about wide receivers. Frank, if I’m going too fast for you, let me know and I’ll type slower. This reply was typed at the astonishing rate of 1 word per minute, so you can get the full effect of my words….</end sarcasm>. What I said earlier, with significantly fewer words and more incoherent thoughts is this: I think the WR blocking will not be as good this year, especially early on, and the bubble will not be the go-to weapon that we had last year. I hope I’m wrong.
D.) I don’t really have another point right now, but really wanted to get the numbering right this time. So, any guesses as to what my nickname stands for? (and no, none of the letters are for a word for a body part)
First of all,
A) I probably should not have revealed your true identity to the rest of the world Superman, and I normally don’t, but since you and I have some history in ridiculing and abusing those who are mentally challenged, I felt comfortable in calling you by your real name. But I do apologize for my lack of judgement and I will try to keep it on a professional level. I do hope no one attacks you with kryptonite (at least not kind that weakens you, though the one that enhances your senses might not be so bad). Also now that you understand how the official numbering system of TN works, you don’t have to wait till next time, because you finally got it right this time. I hope you follow me so far.
2) We are in agreement here, after you explained what you really meant to me slowly enough for me to understand. As I have mentioned in other comments and in the story, IMO, Surrency was one of the best blockers we have had in years, and if I recall correctly he was usually the one leading the convoy. PP was also a pretty good blocker, most of time.
D) PBD=Pussy Boy Dickhead, oh wait, you did say no body parts. So it must be Psychotic Burnout Dork, Putz Buffoon Dingus, Perverse Bozo Doofus, Pisshead Beerballs Douchebag, Poor Butthead Dweeb? Am I close??
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Wait a second
I’m Ironman
Okay, not really. JD is fine. PBD is fine.
As for the nickname, none of those are close, but good guesses. You truely have a gift with insults.
by PBD on Aug 2, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Good I am glad you enjoyed those. I was hoping I did not cross the line, but
I do remember you dishing it out pretty good, so I wasn’t too worried.
Ok so now PBD=Do tell. You have got us all worked up.
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I'm going regression
First off, as the article says, I didn’t even realize we had a tight end…I’m only guessing here, but of the 9 completed passes, were half of them tipped passes at the line? I was not a big Carr fan and felt he was highly overrated and was a one trick pony. The loss of Park is huge. I know he didn’t do much last year, but he was still a “weapon”. I felt high on Easterling, but we’ll have to see. I’m excited about Fortson, i think he was one of a few wr’s not suspended. I feel pretty good w/Givens, he played very “Rix Like” last year, coming out of nowhere. There’s just too many questions for me to even agree on stagnant. I DO feel, however, that the RB’s can be and will be a big weapon in the passing game!
HA,
I didn’t even realize we had a tight end
If you don’t going down to my reply to Desman, you will see my feelings about Carr and PP. But I do agree on PP being a weapon because he was such a athlete.
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There will definately be progress if....
We have the receivers for every game. Period.
A) No games missing most of the receiving corps due to a fight.
2) No skipping class
D) No violating team rules. (Sorry, had to get my first A2D list in)
The talent level can be argued, but it doesn’t matter if those guys aren’t on the field anyway.
New readers will think we are a bunch of dumb mo'fos with our A) 2) D) lists.
But as I stated in the article, I really believe our “WR issues” are history.
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Who cares...
A) They should take a few minutes or days to read previous articles and comments
2) See B)
D) Both ii) and #7
Sorry I am not following your logic
ii and #7 do not directly relate to B in so much as to 2 if used in conjunction with A.
Enough of that….regression. I don’t think this will be a stellar year for the WR corp. That is why Jimbo is looking at all possible scenarios of TE, HB, and I am sure a ton of hybrid positions that will fill the void the WR corp will create. I hope that I am really wrong on this but my gut tells me that I am not. However, if we were to throw some Chris Thompson in there as a PP type hybrid or some more innovative tweaking of the WR corp, then perhaps we will can have at the very least some progression momentum for next year.
We can all agree with you on this
I hope that I am really wrong on this
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I disagree with you here
The reason Jimbo is looking at possible TE, HB scenarios is because they work. It has nothing to do with deficiencies at receiver. I think that is more for versatility and keeping opposing defenses off balance than anything else. This season we will have the athletes out of the back field with great hands (JT, and Chris Thompson) along with more athletic TE (most likely Reliford). It’ll just be something else for teams to worry about.
Maybe you're right
Maybe Jimbo philosophy is to keep them guessing. However, I counter with the fact that you can become too “versatile” sometimes to the point of not being proficient because of the complexity of the playbook. The last few years FSU has struggled to grasp what was considered a “scaled” down Jimbo playbook. I don’t think increasing the complexity is his solution. Jimbo constantly states that if a run is run right, then it should gain good yards. But right now, all parts have yet to click.
I think getting the best players on the field is more the objective. Mix things up to get someone like Thompson, Reliford and Thomas on the field with a couple of WRs. Then a defense is forced to turn down an aggressive posture for fear of bubble screens and such that worked so well last year.
I think Jimbo wants his best 11 players on the field and that is how he thinks he will win the game. Not sticking with WRs that may not produce and probably worse may not block.
Lack of grasping his playbook (or that perception)
also had to do with poor offensive line play. Its hard to execute anything, no matter how simple it is with poor offensive line play. That’s the reason I think things open up this year.
Not a perception...its a fact.
Jimbo has said on many occasions that he limits his playbook in order to perfect the plays they are trying to run and the team consistently fails to run them correctly.
Not trying to get into a pissing contest with you, I just want to be very clear of what I am saying here. I have re-watched many of the games from last year and we have glaring mistakes in running plays, setting up plays or even having the right personnel on the field for certain plays. Those things have zero to do with poor o-line play but instead lack of focus and knowledge of the playbook. Please do not underestimate the importance of compentently being able to run plays. A great deal of teams do not have the most advanced playbooks (Southern Cal, Miami used to do this) but they run their plays to perfection. That mixed with the simple fact that matched up man to man with almost any other team, their man wins….makes So Cal great.
Again, read no inflexion in my post, there is none intended…just enjoy the discussion.
coonhound, If you come late to the party, you might not get any cake. (huh)
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you know last years WR group was not all that good.
People thought they were but the ones that were good are all back this year. PP had a good 07 year and Carr and serrcey were more for show and tall threats thats all. This years group will be much more improved but it also will help that we run the ball. Last year we didnt run as good as we should this year. That will take more pressure off ponder and the WR. Also with better blocking from the O-line the TE could get for passes more.
One thing that is going to go down is blocking form the WR corp. I hope it dont but I dont see is being the same thats one thing last years group did well.
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As I wrote in the story, and only my opinion, Surrency will be missed most for his blocking. He was tenacious and physical.
One thing that is going to go down is blocking form the WR corp
Preston disappointed me the most last year. I expected a breakout season for him, instead there was real regression there, his attitude sucked, and he made stupid penalties of which several more could have been called, and I won’t even get into his other “issues”.
Carr was just himself, just a big ole skinny kid, who got pushed around a little too much for my taste. He needed to put some meat on his bones and want to want to block.
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Don't shoot me on this one
Carr wasn’t our best WR but he was clutch/dependable in ‘08 and came through when others didn’t (for the most part). I agree… it would have been nice had he added some weight on them bones to help block downfield. Not that he was fast or anything but at his height, it would have slowed him down substantially.
Oh I agree he was clutch/dependable, but disagree the he wasn't our best, he was our best at least in terms of TD's over the last 4 years.
2005- Carr had most w/9 and 2nd was Chris Davis with 5.
2006- Carr had most w/12 and Chris D was 2nd with 4.
2007- Fagg had most w/5 and Carr was 2nd with 4.
2008- Carr and Surrency tied with most at 4.
Carr was also the only WR with a 100 yd rec game last year (VT), was one of the few that didn’t get into trouble or suspended, and started every game except Chattanooga, which I don’t know, but did play and make 4 catches. I guess after his first 2 years my expectations of him were unrealistic, but he was our best over the last 4 years in TD’s and in total receptions, especially since Fagg and Davis left.
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TD's
Overall, he was our best WR if you’re only looking at TD’s.
His height/hands is what got him those stat’s. Imagine if the kid added some bulk and speed to go with that height? He wasn’t athletic ala Michael Crabtree, but came through when needed. Wish he had one more year on him… we could use the experience.
Yes and his total rec's were up there in the top 3 year in and year out. 148 total 2005-08.
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this was one thing i liked about last year.
We spread the ball around. Carr got the most but reed and easterling were great in my eyes. I thought they were more consistant. And also more open. They seemed to know how to use there bodys more and in open field on bubbles made people miss. I would rather have them to than carr back. Dont get me wrong I like Carr Hell I have his jersy
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Easterling's return has me excited because I thought he would take much longer, and I think Reed will have a huge season.
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DEAD ON
Even though Surrency’s PRODUCTION wasn’t great, the THREAT of his production was immense and teams showed him great respect. Simply look at how they aligned against us.
teams are going to have to respect Reed and Easterling or they will get burned.
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Stagnation- though I think the term should be Maintain
The receiver play will be at about the same level, but the production should increase, if that makes sense.
Last year, teams keyed our pass game. Our run game was good but it wasn’t great. What made it appear great was the approach others took against us (playing pass first, second, and last). They shut us down rushing 4, not blitzing, and playing coverage with 7 (sometimes 8!!) men.
This year, they will be all about stopping the run game. This will give the offense simpler looks and more opportunities go to deep.
If the pass protection is better, teams will need to blitz to generate pressure, and that will also simplify things.
So the wideouts will be about the same, but the task presented to them (beat single coverage) will be easier, so their production will increase. The question asks for performance level, however, so I chose “stagnation”.
Progression
But I voted that way because I don’t think the passing game can be much worse than last year. Just having more experience and time to learn their craft will mean better pass blocking from our O-line. They may not be the best in the country, but at least average would be an improvement. The threat of the running game, as well as Ponder’s scrambling, will affect the way Defenses have to play our passing game. So we should see more time to deliver the pass as well as better match ups.
I also don’t see the WRs as a drop off in talent from last year, just experience. So with match ups in their favor they should be able to give a better air attack than last year’s, which was fairly sad.
This is part of the reason I also voted progression.
I also don’t see the WRs as a drop off in talent from last year, just experience.
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Goodman suspended 3 or 4 games? Why? He was already suspended last year right after the fight. His chargers were dropped.
Actually he was injured (broken leg?) and could not participate anyway, so theoretically he was not suspended.
I have no problem if they waive it off and maybe they will.
I am going by the fact that he was suspended for the Music City Bowl when the rest of the “alleged cheaters” were also suspended, though FSU did not come out and say it was for “allegedly cheating” due to those damn pesky privacy laws.
So if it was for cheating and they make him serve his time, it should be for 3 games.
Also he was suspended for the BC game for the fight, which again he did not serve because of the injury. I hope they don’t enforce that, but if they do it will be 4 games.
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why should we suspended the kid
If we are going to fight the NCAA anyway then the idea is they are doing is so why should we.
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We are only fighting the vacating of wins. They accepted our original self imposed sanctions as part of the original ruling and I don't think we should try to piss them off anymore than we probably already have.
As much as I would like to see him on the field, maybe this will slap some more sense into him, if the possibility of being a convicted felon did not.
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Frank, you are a damn machine.
These rapid-fire, robust articles are great fun to read in participate in.
My only comment is that the term “stagnation” has negative connotations. I guess there isn’t really a word ending in “ation” that’s synonymous with “status quo”, which I think is the real meaning. I only mention that because stagnation reminds me of mosquito larvae or undiscovered corpses.
Thanks K-Man. I did not like the word either, but I could not come up with another that means to stand still or without progressing nor regressing, and more so one that ended with "ation".
Readers please understand that there are no negative connotations intended in these articles with the word STAGNATION, I only mean it as no better and no worse than last years team.
If anyone can come up with a better word that means the same and ends with “ation” I will change it for the rest of the series.
I did not want to use it for the same reasons you mentioned, the connotation with STANK water, but the way it rhymed made my nether regions tingle in a way they haven’t for a long time.
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To me Bowdation and Amatoration at this point in history=Regression.
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I think that Bowdation
is dependent on the timing it is used. Refering to a period when your building a program and hiring quality people to run your program, this equates to PROGRESSION. In that point in your career when you’re only acting as the CEO and letting others steer your ship for you, this equates to STAGNATION or MAINTAINATION. When you don’t know where your boat is, and you’re counting on your son to drive (sail) it for you, that’s REGRESSION, or LEGACY-TARNISHATION.
Hope that clears it up.
Legacy-Tarnishation sounds like exactly what is going on now, and his "friends" aren't helping.
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true, but....
with better “assistants” running the show, any improvement that they cover up for BB makes him look like he’s still got it.
Now I don’t know if he really does or not. Previous events make me think he doesn’t, but he may do stuff between naps and golf and other retirement activities that none of us see.
There have been some people posting in the comments in the democrat, that BB is the best thing that ever happened to FSU and that noone should ever question his handling of anything related to the university. He may be the best thing that happened to FSU football, but when the emperor wanders around naked, someone has to be able to speak up.
by PBD on Aug 2, 2009 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions
How true. And you know the good ole boy network of Boosters aren't going to tell him he is pee pee is showing.
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I actually passed on the kool-aid here.
I went digression because we are counting on Easterling coming back 100% and everyone is touting Goodman as possibly our best asset and we really haven’t seen much of him yet. We will be stronger at TE, but I think it will still be underutilized. I am not worried if we digress slightly because I think our running game will be the workhorse and the passing game will exist to support the run. I think Reed and Givens will make a lot of plays on screens, but I see that more as rushing than recieving. I am looking for good things from Forston and Easterling later in the season though.
OH YEAAHH!
Stagnation
Experience is a pretty big loss. Very big.
But at the same time, I think that, except for Goodman and Owens, the vast majority of this year’s contributing talent has a much, much better enthusiasm for the game than what we had playing the past couple years. The jury’s still out on Dawsey as a coach, for sure. So how that enthusiasm can turn into production is in question.
What we do know for sure is that our players can consistently catch screens (though blocking for those screens will probably take a step back) or routes that go to the flats, so a healthy chunk of our offense from last year can still be workable. Our high-percentage plays will still be high percentage going into next season.
It’ll be a really DIFFERENT passing scheme, but the ups and downs will even out to about the same.
by pillsburysoldier on Jul 31, 2009 11:03 PM EDT reply actions
I loved him to death as a player. The discipline problems cannot all be put on his shoulders and I really really want him to succeed, but you are right
The jury’s still out on Dawsey as a coach, for sure.
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I hope so because he seems like a good enough person and I hope he can bring the WR's around, and fast.
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This year is not going to be like last year
I think we are going to have some flashbacks. I think in some games we will look like the noles of old where we just take the game over and do as we want. USF, Miami, UNC, dont ask why its that gut thing. Then we play teams like UF and we will play the game from last year but I think it might be worst. Then there are the games that will be good oldfation smashing games BYU, Clemson. And then the battle of the Offense with NCST and GT.
I think it will all come down to the o-line. We have a great group of WR/TE and with a good QB with time to throw or set plays up they will shine. Ponder is going to need time and protection. If he gets sacked in the first 3 plays vs Miami we could have a long day because he wont trust the o-line. then hes going to rush the throw and the WR will be out of place or the timeing will get off. It all works as one. there are 11 people one the field that all have a job.
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I think we might surprise UF a little, we may not beat them, but I don't think it will be like last year
We will be talking O-line in the next few days.
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Progression
- Jimbo is the most innovative OC that we have had in ages. Richt always had a couple of receivers that could usually get good seperation that he relied on too heavily. However, we would have been much more effective had he spread the ball around better. No need to discuss Jeffie!
- For almost a decade we have lacked receivers that could consistently get seperation. If Easterly is 100% he has that ability. If one or two more hungry players are able to do the same, I believe Jimbo will use them effectively as receivers and decoys. The result will be a passing attack that will strike fear in the hearts of any defense that we face, including UF!
Yes the WR's could be real good by the last regular game against FU, maybe that will give us hope.
IMO I don’t think Richt gets enough credit for knowing how to play the cards he was dealt. When he had Dunn and Minor he was calling more running plays than passing. When he had Weinke, he changed us to a passing team. Since Jimbo is on his first QB, it is not a fair comparison yet.
I disagree about the receivers. Until last year I think we have always been blessed with burners. Since Warrick left, I can think of Snoop, Javon, Carphonso, Boldin, PK Sam, Stoval, Chris Davis, Fagg, Willie Reid, and more recently Preston P, Surrency(?), Carr(?), , Easterling, and Bert Reed.
But I do agree that a couple of kids will breakout this year. Like you said aside from Easterling who is progressing nicely, maybe Bert Reed, Forston, and either Owens or Goodman. I also think by the end of the season Haulstead will be part of the rotation.
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We did try to run it though, but you are right that in 97, 98, 99 we struggled, 2000 was decent.
Mark Richt’s play selections as OC
2000-Weinke/Minor- PA=469 RA=455 for 4.4 Avg
1999-Weinke/Minor- PA=420 RA=393 for 3.5 avg
1998-Weinke/Minor- PA=357 RA=515 for 3.5 Avg
1997-Busby/Minor- PA=440 RA=344 for 3.6 avg
1996-Busby/Dunn- PA=335 RA=423 for 4.6 avg
1995-Kanell/Dunn- PA=465 RA=420 for 5.8 avg
1994-Kanell/Dunn- PA=380 RA=412 for 5.0 avg
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I think Fortson will break out.
And I agree on Haulstead as well. I expect big things from Goodman when he can finally play. Still not clear on his status but I’m going to continue to assume he won’t be available right away. Owens is a consistent receiver but I find it odd that usually when he’s open the pass misses him by a great deal. Ponder would throw it to him but be off sometimes, but usually if it were a catch able ball Owens would make the play.
Bubble screens and middle screens will be big this season again. I especially expect Fortson to have a LOT of middle screens this season, much like Surrency last year but I project more production. Having small, quick and agile players like Reed, Easterling, Thompson and Givens will provide us with a lot of creative options in moving the ball and I think at least 1 or 2 of these guys can be big time play makers.
I understand the questions raised about Givens; hands, BUT there is no denying that he makes things happen when he gets the ball. His small stature and incredible speed/quickness make him difficult to track down in a crowd and a nightmare in the open field, so if he can catch easy passes with blockers out in front it could workout well.
I know that Beau Reliford is inexperienced but his height and athleticism will be a big addition to our offense, even if its only in the red zone (which I think is the bare minimum that is expected). He has very good speed for his size and the leaping ability to go along with it. He’s more the type of TE that UF and UM have been using against us over the years and could probably even resemble some of the talented TEs from the Big 12 (OU, OK St.)
Obviously all of this will be predicated on Ponder being able to stand in the pocket and deliver accurate and timely passes. I genuinely expect for his pocket presence and awareness to be improved from a year ago, along with the pass protection from our offensive line. We may not see all world passing numbers but i’m willing to lay a prediction down and say that Ponder passes for more than 2006 yards for sure. I’ll go in the ball park of 2500-2750 yards with at least 15 TD’s. I think those are realistic numbers.
Good stuff. You just gotta love Givens. He saved our butts against UM and I hope he gets more than the obligatory end-arounds this year.
I would like to see him get a little passing action because he does make things happen, but I’m pretty sure Jimbo will put the best players on the field
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Agreed
I just think the increased production in the running game that we all expect will help to add some flexibility to the passing game and different things Jimbo wants to implement. I feel like this season could be the first in a long time where we may actually have something resembling a balanced offense.
dead on
This was what I saw last year. Carr and Surrency were the decoys and PP, Reed, and easterly were the meat. I know carr was the (best) but I think the others were more importen. This year the Decoy will be the RB’s/ Once we get the Running game going Im telling you fear the play action zone read pass.
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Progression
got rid of all the dead weight at this position ,Carr’s doggin it ,Parker’s attitude,surrency’s(i do like him tho)drops ,and he was an excellent blocker- have all been replaced with want to,and no one has mentioned the upgrade in speed,if summer times are accurate. I see good things this year, with a possible slow start. Fortson should pick up the blocking slack as well, and did i mention speed, all the wr’s this year(if what im hearing is correct ) run 4.4 or better , other thanReedwho ran that fast last year?
Progression...
You’ll be amazed how more time to throw, and more accurate passes make those WRs look better. In Atlanta, we call this the Vick Syndrome…
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
True. We did drop a few passes last year that were well thrown, but if we keep the dogs off Ponders butt (get it?) as you said, the WR will look better.
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