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Give me your 2009 two-deep lineup for FSU

I cycled through and didn't see a post like this (sorry if I glanced over one). This doesn't have to be what the experts think, or even what general consensus thinks. Give me who YOU want to see as starters and 1st backups for FSU in 2009, and give some reasoning behind your choices.

Here's who I would like to see (starters listed first)...

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QB: Christian Ponder, E.J. Manuel:  I'm anxious to see how Ponder has improved in his decision-making. I think he will keep the starting job all season as long as he doesn't struggle badly- if he does, Manuel should get a shot. Jimbo has stated that he believes Ponder can be an NFL QB, so he won't be quick to pull him unless things go south in a hurry. I do expect EJ to get meaningful reps this season though.

RB: Jermaine Thomas, Ty Jones:  I think Pressley will overcome Jones by the end of the season for primary backup, but he will still be recovering in the beginning of the year. Frankly though, it doesn't matter. I think Jimbo will have the luxury of rotating backs if he wants to. This is a good thing, as all three guys have a history of being banged up (some moreso than others obviously). It may or may not happen this season but I firmly believe that Jermaine Thomas will be FSU's next 1000 yard rusher.

FB/HB: Marcus Sims, Matt Dunham:  I think Marcus will come around and stick with the team. Everyone gives him crap for fumbles but Marcus is a good blocker and is a decent safety-valve weapon coming out of the backfield. I do believe we have seen the last of Sed Holloway. Dunham will slide into a backup role here. Should Marcus not return, look for Jabaris Little to slide into this role. One of two things would happen: you'd either see Dunham back there (assuming he is in shape and can compete) or you'd see some two-back sets with Pressley. My guess would hinge on the latter.

WR: Bert Reed, Jarmon Fortson:  Bert is a playmaker and is super dangerous in space. As long as he keeps his head on straight and stays healthy, he'll start every game this year. Fortson will be the 3rd WR in the 3-WR sets. Watch the two freshmen, Rodney Smith and Willie Haulstead, both of whom have gained praise and are both physically okay to play. They could get some reps.

WR: Taiwan Easterling, Avis Commack:  Easterling's speedy recovery is huge, absolutely huge for this unit. He has the best hands on the team and is Mr. Clutch when it comes to third down and pressure situations. If he stays healthy, he starts all year. Have heard many positive things about Commack as well. He can be what we all hoped Surrency would be- big target, great athlete, fast and agile. Good footwork and route-running.**Goodman and Owens weren't included, as they are suspended indefinitely.***Also- those of you who think Louis Givens will start next year can wake up now. He has outstanding heart and is one of the fastest guys on the team, but he's also 5-8 (at the tallest) and 165 pounds (soaking wet) and has questionable hands. Just too small to be a DI starter. He'll be a situational guy and continue to raise hell on special teams.

TE: Caz Piurowski, Beau Reliford:  According to Fisher, TE is supposedly going to be used more in the passing game this year. Caz will start because of his year as an OT and will help Datko and the other tackles block against the outstanding opponent DEs FSU will face this year (shout-out to FSUn on that story). His hands are pretty good and he's nothing special after the catch. Reliford is the guy I'd like to see used in the passing game. He is every bit of 6'6" and can run and jump. He could be what many of us saw in Brandon Warren- a legitimate weapon at the TE spot.

LT: Andrew Datko, Rhonne Sanderson:  Datko is a man. Look to the recent story posted about him. Has All-American potential written all over him. Any OL recruits (and FSU fans) questioning Trickett's impact need look no further than Datko and Hudson. ***Backup OL are seemingly interchangeable as far as skill level but a lot depends on upper body strength and arm length at tackle. Trickett likes to cross-train them so they know each position. Sanderson looks to be a solid option at LT.

LG: Zebrie Sanders, Aubrey Phillips:  This is where I deviate from some people. I think FSU's OL would be even better if Sanders and Hudson both slid inside one spot. Sanders could stay on the left side to help Datko since he has experience at tackle. He has the footwork to move inside IMO and would do well at guard (and fill in at tackle if he is needed). Phillips is the lone incoming OL that I think is ready to play. Trickett had a lot of positives to say about Phillips and was extremely happy to get him. He could probably wind up at guard or tackle, but for inclusive purposes I put him here.

C: Rodney Hudson, Ryan McMahon. Hudson's NFL future is at center, and Trickett has spent this offseason crosstraining him at the position. I say let him slide in and play the next two years at center. This is not a slight against McMahon in the least but Hudson would be more effective in the middle IMO. If he needed to slide over to guard, McMahon would obviously be very capable of filling in.

RG: David Spurlock, Blake Snider:  I love Spurlock's copperhead snake disposition and his willingness to get better. I think he'll be healthy in time for the season's start and will hold down the RG spot. He has very good footwork and leverage and should continue focusing on strength. I give Snider the upper hand over Brandon Davis because frankly I'm surprised Davis is still here- he hasn't done a thing. Snider is a "Trickett guy" and Davis is not.

RT: Antwane Greenlee, Garrett Faircloth:  Here's a trouble spot for me. Greenlee certainly can become a very solid starter, but will he? If he is fully healthy, both physically and mentally, I think he will be fine here. If not, Zebrie Sanders would be in this slot instead. Since I have Sanders at LG, I'll put Faircloth as the backup. Have heard good things about him as well, and you know he will be hungry to play after taking a GS last season. Again, backups are interchangable including other starters.

DE: Marcus White, Toshmon Stevens:  White has a great opportunity to pick up where Everette Brown left off. He has all the tools and has an amazing work ethic. He has put in a ton of time to improve this offseason, so let's hope it translates to the field. Stevens has drawn a good amount of praise from Jody Allen and Todd Stroud but needs to continue adding weight. His athleticism will get him on the field, especially in speed-rush situations when White is taking a blow.

DE: Kevin McNeil, Jamar Jackson:  McNeil will fly under the radar this season as people focus on White's hype. He has good technique and rush skills but needs to get stronger and play with consistency. McNeil hasn't been able to stay healthy so far and neither has Jackson, which is worrisome. Ding Ding Ding- that's the bell of opportunity and it tolls for you, Brandon Jenkins. Look for Demonte McAllister to be on the field every so often in speed-rushing situations, especially if injuries occur.

DT: Justin Mincey, Budd Thacker:  Mincey is in better shape than he has been since he arrived. He's gained good weight and looks ready to embrace a starting role. He has good experience. Thacker will see the field quite a bit too, but no longer as a starter. Needs to add bulk/strength and learn to back up his talk. Everette Dawkins will be in the mix as well, assuming he isn't needed to flip back to DE.

DT: Kendrick Stewart, Moses McCray:  Stewart got some very valuable experience last season and in the prior bowl game against Kentucky. He's very athletic and agile (he's the one who can do the standing backflip) and has added good weight and strength. McCray will be a presence as well and may overtake Stewart or Mincey by the end of the year. I also believe Jacobbi McDaniel will see the field this season but not a whole lot.

OLB: Nigel Bradham, Mister Alexander:  Just unleash Bradham. It doesn't matter where he lines up, just unleash the beast. Mister Alexander can hit like a mack truck but can he stay healthy and make the transition to LB effectively? Recardo Wright will also be in the mix.

OLB: Dekoda Watson, Nigel Carr:  Watson is the best player and best leader on this defense. He should perform very well and become a first-day NFL draft pick, assuming he stays healthy and that elbow doesn't give him more trouble. I love Carr's game as well, if Watson weren't in the picture he'd be the starter.  

MLB: Kendall Smith, Vince Williams:  Smith is underrated and overshadowed by the other two, but he can become a force in the middle. He just needs to be consistent and keep to his assignments. Williams will make an impact as well, whether in relief on defense or on special teams.

CB: Patrick Robinson, AJ Alexander:  Robinson had a disappointing season in 2008 and will hopefully rebound in 09. He's the best CB on the roster but he will still be tested this season. Hopefully his INT stats resemble 2007 and not 2008. Alexander can flat out fly but can he cover effectively? Will he turn into another Michael Ray Garvin and be a liability? Hopefully not but if so, Greg Reid will overtake him by the end of the year.

CB: Ochuko Jenije, Dionte Allen:  This one's shaky. I like the progress Jenije has made and he deserves his shot. He has good instincts but can he keep the big play mistakes to a minimum? I just want to see what a healthy Dionte Allen can do. Is that too much to ask? Again, keep an eye on Greg Reid. He's working hard.

SS: Nick Moody, Korey Mangum:  Moody should be interesting to watch. Fans are high on him but he hasn't done a thing just yet. This will be a learning year regardless. I don't like thinking about Mangum being back there, he just doesn't fit well IMO. Depth is a little scary here. Dammit Willie Downs.

FS: Jamie Robinson, Terrance Parks:  Robinson was very encouraging this spring, hopefully it will translate into the fall. He has good instincts and speed but again, can he limit the mistakes and big plays? We'll find out early and often, as the secondary will be tested frequently. I'm not sold on Parks at FS, I'd rather see him at CB personally. Maybe one of the freshman can help out, it would either be Harley (since he's had a leg-up working out) or Demps (in great shape, drew praise from Stroud), but hopefully it doesn't get that bad. Demps is a guy I'm keeping my eye on- he could be something special down the line.

P: Shawn Powell, James Esco:  Powell has the job. No clue who among the returning kickers would back him up. I'm confident in Powell despite his inconsistent past.

K: Dustin Hopkins, James Esco:  I think Hopkins wins the job and is a 4 year starter at K for the Noles. The other guys worry the hell out of me so thank goodness for Hopkins coming in.

PR: Greg Reid, Bert Reed:  Yep, I think Greg Reid wins the PR job. Read recently where a member of the FSU staffing crew stated that Reid could win a couple of games on his returns alone. That's pretty lofty praise, but based on what I've seen on film and at the all-star game, I think he'll win it over Bert Reed.

KR: Greg Reid, Bert Reed, Jermaine Thomas, AJ Alexander:  Reed is super fast and Reid has the best chance of any freshman skill player to make a large impact- I think it will be on special teams. Also watch for Jermaine Thomas, AJ Alexander (lightning in a bottle but questionable hands) and maybe even Patrick Robinson (more speed).

 

Let the debating begin- who would you have starting and why? Post your depth charts!

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I think we should denote x y z

Bert is at X
Jarmon is at Y
slot guy is Z, and for now it’s Givens until Easterling is healthy.

by Bud Elliott on Jul 6, 2009 7:17 PM EDT reply actions  

very good prediction!

it will be great to watch what happens opposite side of P Rob. And I’ve always wanted to see if Mcneil could continue to impress like he did a few years ago in limited time. Im also excited to see what Nick Moody and Parks will do.

by pcnole on Jul 6, 2009 7:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Rough

QB Christian Ponder E.J. Manuel
RB Jermaine Thomas Ty Jones Tavares Pressley
FB Marcus Sims Matt Dunham
H-BACK Matt Dunham Jabarris Little
TE Caz Piurowski Beau Reliford
LT Andrew Datko Zebrie Sanders
RT Zebrie Sanders Antwane Greenlee
LG Rhonne Sanderson Rodney Hudson
RG David Spurlock Rodney Hudson
C Rodney Hudson Ryan McMahon
X Richard Goodman Bert Reed Rod Owens
Y Jarmon Fortson Avis Commack
Z (slot) Easterling (if healthy) Givens

SDE Kevin McNiel Brandon Jenkins
WDE Markus White Jamar Jackson
NG Moses McCray Jacobbi McDaniel
DT Justin Mincey Kendrick Stewart Demonte McAllister
SLB Dekoda Watson Nigel Carr
MLB Kendal Smith Vince Williams
WLB Nigel Bradham Mister Alexander
CB Patrick Robinson Dionte Allen
CB Ochuk Jenijie Greg Reid
FS Jamie Robinson Terrence Parks
SS Terrance Parks Nick Moody
P Powell
K Dustin Hopkins
PR Greg Reid
KR AJ Alexander

On the wideouts, I don’t really know. A lot depends on Easterling, and remember that Goodman is our best wideout but suspended for the 1st 3 games.

by Bud Elliott on Jul 6, 2009 8:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm good with that on offense, I'm fine with Hudson staying at G, I trust Trickett

I have a different looking defense, but don’t really want to start a big argument. Maybe I’ll write about it soon and people can lambaste me.

by SWFLNole. on Jul 6, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

And

if you don’t have two legitimate corners, get your 4 most talented DBs on the field (ala Reggie Nelson his junior year). I am no fan of Jenije. I’d move Parks over.

by SWFLNole. on Jul 6, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Terrance Parks

I prefer FSUn’s for this reason alone. Parks is a freak of an athlete and must be on the field at safety. He has more speed than moody and I have to believe he is a better ball-hawk. He may be our biggest breakout player if he is given the chance. He could also be the guy to make us temporarily forget about the Downs’ situation

by PJVNolefan on Jul 6, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

My point is this

would you rather have a bad CB on the field, or a bad backup S? Even if Parks production would be better at S. It is not a great long term solution for sure, but it gets the 4 best DBs on the field.

by SWFLNole. on Jul 6, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand your point

but when I first saw Parks on campus when he was a freshman and he was huge for a Cornerback. He stood on the bus next to Nigel Bradham and they stood the same height…no exaggeration…so I think with his coverage skill and speed and size it is a more natural fit for him to be at safety rather than corner. P.S. I don’t pretend to be/know as much as a coach and hopefully am not seen like that, its just my opinion.

by PJVNolefan on Jul 6, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

We love all opinions around here!

I happen to have a lot of opinions about our team, and a lot of times they don’t mesh with the grain of other FSU fans. Don’t let the way I state them deter you in any way.

by SWFLNole. on Jul 6, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

In my ideal world my two safeties would be: JRob & Parks
2 corners would be: PRob & G. Reid with the 3rd spot being a battle btwn. Jenije and Allen.

The problem is that our 2,3,4 CB options really haven’t shown anything on the field. To me those three spots should be up for grabs this year and depending on who shows up on the field they should get the 2nd spot and so forth.

by PJVNolefan on Jul 6, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely

Like I said, if you think we can get serviceable play there most of the time I want JRob and Parks at S. The problem is I am not sure that we can. If my wild assumption is correct there will be diminishing returns by leaving everyone in THEIR best spot, but not getting the most TALENT on the field.

Or maybe I’m crazy. I’m surprised nobody went after me on the LB thing.

by SWFLNole. on Jul 6, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great job NTAT!

For the most part, everyones 2 deep chart will look very similar/resemble one anothers.

FSUn… heard Thacker has lost some size recently. I’d leave him off the list as well and say that he’s all bark and no bite.

by CSI Nole on Jul 6, 2009 8:42 PM EDT reply actions  

This sounds crazy but

I think that when we are in a shotgun x2 backs that we should have Jermaine Thomas and Ty Jones. Both in the backfield. I think Jones and Sims flip out and Sims will be the blocking back for the most part but if you run a option/play-action with speed and power that they al bring no one can play whos getting what. With the o-line blocking better play-action will work better and then ponder will become something better.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Jul 6, 2009 9:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Macmaine and Tyabetes?

Better than the ole “Thunder and Lightning.”

by FSUSOM on Jul 6, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

my idea is that Jones wont and shouldnt go up the mid

But would be great for zone reads outside and flat passes. Thomas is the big guy. that takes most of the beef up the mid and other zone reads. Ty takes fakes and you have to bite because if you dont his speed will kill you. Then thomas brakes from the other side or up the gut where ever the lane is. Then Easterling and Reed on whatever pass routs they are on. where a S is covering them. All this with a QB that can beat you on his feet also. thats a lot of weapons on the field behind a good o-line. Sounds like fun to me.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Jul 6, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome Ideas

I don’t think we’ll see it early on for sure…both are liabilities in Pass Pro, so both of them on the field is like runing up a flag that says “please blitz” “we won’t have time to do ANYTHING”.

Yeah, right!

by truecolors on Jul 8, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

but last year we showed what we can do with not time.

If they blitz like you think they would wouldnt Jimbo know this and Ponder could check out and go to the bubble or whatever they wanted too.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Jul 8, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d stick Thompson in the slot a good bit, give Lonnie a few totes (maybe he can do the other stuff-pick up blitzes-better), Reid probably needs a looooong look opposite PRob (you can’t teach his ball skills), forget the FB/HB position this year (Dunham is fatter and slower than me/Sims is pathetic (he had a 4 ypc avg in HS what does that tell you?)/Little has just that of work ethic (piss on Lincoln)), give Brandon Jenkins every opportunity to bust out, for God’s sake keep Demonte on the edge, above all else: turn Bradham loose.

Ameica, Land of the free and home to the entitled.

by levynole on Jul 6, 2009 10:25 PM EDT reply actions  

see thats my point the FB sucks so why use them

We could use the FB spot as an extra WR or RB that might do something good.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Jul 7, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

we really could use and everything kid.

Someone that can run good, catch. A guy that teams have to cover because hes that good. like what PP did. Someone to run reverses, some screens and can fake the hell like he has the ball. yes that would be nice. Anyone know where we can get one of those.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Jul 7, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Caz will be blocking again...

shoot why not just line up an extra tackle since we’re deeper there? Oh, yeah we already do!

Yeah, right!

by truecolors on Jul 9, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

or as a WR.

would be nice to have him block for the bubble, at least that what teams would thinks he there to do.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Jul 9, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sweet!

Caz lined up in the slot with Reed and another big reciever on the same half….That would scare the BJeezus out of me if i were a saftey or corner

Yeah, right!

by truecolors on Jul 9, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beau Reliford

Is probably going to be the real pass catching threat from the TE position. Apparently he’s showing some serious potential there. Remember he’s listed at 6’7, 245 lbs. with better speed and athleticism than Caz. We’ll see how it goes though

by truenole87 on Jul 9, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Throw Reed and easterling to that side and who ever to the other.

Caz runs at the best CB or SS on that side and ether blocks or fakes and runs post or flag or something. and the other two get picked up by the other not as good CB’s, LB, or SS.

Dont think it could work but sounds good.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Jul 9, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Call Jimbo immediately

He needs to start adding this to the playbook!

by PBD on Jul 10, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

FSUn do you think jimbo or any of the other coaches read this site.

I know they have people to do all the stats but do you think they care what we THE FANS have to say or know.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Jul 10, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, they have guys who get paid to read it.

They aren’t looking to us for strategy stuff, but sometimes we find injury info they don’t have.

by Bud Elliott on Jul 11, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

People get paid to just read sites like this

WFT Im in the wrong job. Its like being a video gamer Never knew how to get into that. O-well. better luck next life at least I get to play with guns. :(

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Jul 16, 2009 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

dido

I think the spelling would get me but thats what google is for. its great for med terms.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Jul 16, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mid terms or medical terms?

" And He drank the world's sin so He could carry you in, and give you life"

by FSUvaFan on Jul 17, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

what about Jacobbi?

ive heard this guy will more than likely start in the 1st game. Do yall think this might be true? him being such a high 5* id’e really like to see what hes got against D1 talent

Huked On Foniks Wurks Fer ME!!!!

by PanamaCityBeach-NOLE on Jul 6, 2009 11:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Personally I don't think that is reasonable

He isn’t in shape by the looks of it, and has a bunch of work to be where they want him. He’ll get in the rotation I’d bet though.

by SWFLNole. on Jul 6, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remember how good this kid supposedly is

Tommy Tubberville signed some of college football’s most elite interior linemen and he literally said that Jacobbi may be the best he’s ever seen. He’ll play his way into shape during July and August when two-a-days. Even then he’ll provide good size and strength along with much needed talent at DT. I expect a pretty good fresh. season.

by truenole87 on Jul 6, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depth issues will gurantee JMcD sees the field this year, however I’m of the belief a RS would be best for him.

Ameica, Land of the free and home to the entitled.

by levynole on Jul 6, 2009 11:46 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Greg Reid starts

by the 3rd or 4th game opposite PRob. He’s just amazingly gifted and competitive. I also expect to see Demps and Harley get serious reps at S throughout the year. Moody starts at SS in my opinion. 6’1, 235 lbs and can seriously lay the lumber. He’s got a nasty attitude and I think he offsets the finesse of Jamie Robinson at FS. J. Robinson is more of a ball hawk while Moody is the headhunter/enforcer.

by truenole87 on Jul 7, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Linebackers:

Similarly, our Linebackers also emote “concerned optimism”. I understand the conditions and constraints that Mickey Andrews’ unique take on the 43 under scheme place on how we utilize the talent we’ve available, so my two deep here would be considered given these limitations, whereas positional changes along the Defensive Line would do nothing to impact Mickey’s scheme.

The Weakside LB (Will) in our scheme is liberated from concerns of being blocked down, engaged, pressed to the line of scrimmage, or otherwise. With this freedom, comes the responsibility of being able to read the flow of the play and track it down from the weakside. So, he needs vision, concentration, an innate instinct and confidence to trust it, and burst to get where he needs to go. I’m not sure Nigel Bradham has all these characteristics, but I’m beginning to believe that until we can reevaluate our defensive scheme with specific relation to the linebackers, we’re not as bad off with Bradham here than some pessimists (myself priorly included) imply. The game very well could have slowed down between last season’s end and this fall. That could very well produce a player that seemingly has the intuition and instinct and clarity of vision to read the play. He does have the burst and especially the power to deliver once he’s reached the target.

A recognized benefit of Mickey’s scheme is that it relieves entirely the responsibility a Will would have in coverage and those that would make him turn his back on the ball (invoking necessary agility to flip one’s hips and track). I don’t think Nigel would be effective in coverage, nor would he be able to flip and run. So at least some of his deficiencies and strengths are reflexively maximized / minimized under Andrews’ stewardship.

Behind Bradham, I’d have preferred head hunter extraordinaire CJ Mizell, but he was the unfortunate casualty of class-attrition. So in his stead, Senior Recardo Wright. According to his close circle, Recardo was initially very new to football when he was recruited by FSU and is a natural “libero” 43 under WLB. However, he was lost in the shuffle and mistakenly placed in the middle. He’s 6’2 and around 220, and has the speed to sufficiently cover the range that a Will needs to govern. We don’t know if he has the vision, intuition, instinct or confidence, but I am pretty certain he has it more so than Maurice Harris or Aaron Gresham.

The Middle Linebacker needs to be stronger, bigger, but curiously also more inclined to cover in Mickey’s LB schema. He needs to be able to handle the hectic interior of the field, read and recognize and stymie playside action, but also occasionally pic up backs out of the backfield. Luckily, it seems we have a tweener available for this tween-y responsibility, Kendall Smith. At 6’1 and 235, and with natural 43 under WLB speed and flexibility, Smith is prime for this position for FSU. His weakness last year was considered to be his vision and decisiveness in space – putting him inside at the MLB relinquishes him of these concerns by putting him closer and more involved initially with the play (so less decisions to be made).

Behind him, Vince Williams. Vince is a more archetypal fit at MLB than Kendall at 6’0 and 240+. He’s a hard hitter and a confident leader. He may be a liability in coverage because of flexibility concerns, but placing him second in the two deep implies that he would be used more situationally should we evade injury. Thus, he could be implemented whenever the down and distance or specific match ups lean run instead of pass. Admittedly, the game film and even practice film on him his limited, but he is very accelerated in his physical development after now two springs and one fall.

The greatest discrepancy between our 43 under scheme under Mickey and the normal one is the pressures it puts on the SLB. Because of our strict and overbearing propensity to play man to man, the SLB shadows the Tight End or playside flexed out back. He needs to be able to cover him and shade him, turn with him in coverage or track him down. At the same time, because he’s deployed like a traditional SLB in a traditional (Pete Carroll) 43 under scheme – that’s to say, within 1.5 yards of the LOS on the strongside – he still needs to be able to shake the TE and dictate the play as it approaches him.

Dekoda Watson, it would seem, is the best compromise we have. His 4.39 (wow) speed and comfortable shuttle times imply no foreseeable issues in running with a TE or flexed out back, and hopefully this speed and a heady knack for play-recognition earlier than usual will result in play-dictation on the strongside much like Jacobbi’s taking of space with his burst dictates the Center and Guard.

Behind him, Nigel Carr. While initially disappointing in his dedication and physical development, all reports reveal a changed player. Nigel tore it up during the spring while Dekoda was on the mend. He showed an adequate ability to cover his route-responsibility, while his size and strength and more importantly energy (much like Markus White) and willingness to play through contact led to consistent success against the run on the strongside.

So

WLB: Nigel Bradham 6’2 240 So; Recardo Wright 6’2 225 Sr
MLB: Kendall Smith 6’1 235 Jr; Vince WIlliams 6’0 240 So
SLB: Dekoda Watson 6’2 235 Sr; Nigel Carr 6’3 235 So

by CaStauch on Jul 7, 2009 2:25 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Great Post

Great insight stauch, as usual. I’ve heard that Bradham’s flexibility is much improved from doing yoga and pilates exercises as well though.

by truenole87 on Jul 7, 2009 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed,

though I think Carr will backup both spots.

This year is very unique with a guy as fluid as Watson. In most year’s I’d oppose this alignment. Also, our weakside is very small and doesn’t offer a lot of protection for the will, as you stated, despite the advantage of numerosity.

by Bud Elliott on Jul 7, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really think Watson is just a freak of nature

I’ve hung out with the guy a few times and he just looks like an action figure. That speed is insane and he plays with ridiculously high energy. I’m confident with he and Bradham’s equal if not superior intensity on the outsides. Teams will have a hard time running to the outside against us.

by truenole87 on Jul 7, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

True on all!

I worry about us packing it in too hard and then getting gashed to the outside. Bradham has to improve on that.

by Bud Elliott on Jul 7, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Defensive Line

I’m more optimistic about the prospects of our defensive line this year than I’ve been in a long while.

However, my optimism doesn’t fully erase some concerns, most of which are centered about our defensive ends. Surprisingly, (given our recent history and especially last season) I’m not really sweating the interior DL, even with its potential youth should the two or three deep be invoked.

Instead, my preoccupation once again hovers around the SDE position. Its importance and unique responsibilities in our scheme cannot be understated for me. It’s not just a right or left defensive end. It’s more similar to a nose tackle than a defensive tackle or the weakside end. Arguably, it’s (much like the NT in a 34 stack) the fulcrum or hinge on which the entire front is anchored. It’s the position which creates leverage for the defense, which forces the offense’s hand, and liberates other defenders that are deployed in more advantageous (1 on 1 or within space) situations to attack and penetrate.

For this, the strongside end needs to have an understanding of engaged technique (how to play with and through contact), the ability to fight off a second blocker, the motor and attitude to engage in physical play, and the size for all this to happen.

I think we have two players who could be up for it and could be very good at the SDE, but it’d require some out of the box and flexible thinking from our coaches. Namely, I think Markus White and Everett Dawkins need to move to SDE and Kevin McNeil to WDE.

If you’re privy to the recent summer workout photos on other sources and seminoles.com, you’ve seen Markus White’s physical condition. He’s 260 pounds today with a severely underdeveloped (for a DL) upper body. The dude’s base is incredible; his build is very similar in its belying nature to Zebrie, who looks 250 if you see him from the waist up but is confirmed to be approaching 290+. I think if our coaches encouraged weight gain, his upper body would develop at a rapid pace and White could sprout from his 260 now to 270 or more by the season’s beginning.

From his play last year and this spring, he behaves more like a strongside end than a weakside end. Because of orientation, a strongside end needs to be high energy and eager to play through contact. That’s how Markus White plays! He wouldn’t be hamstrung by placing him against doubles, he’d relish it, in my opinion. Whereas a weakside end is more strictly a 1on1 player. He’s usually isolated against the weakside tackle and is given the spatial leeway that aggravates this isolation. White’s ability to play through contact and his size isn’t maximized, here.

That being said, I think Kevin McNeil would be much better suited for the WDE position and would give us a different, not better or worse, player there than Everette Brown. EB was strictly a pass rusher. In the NFL, he is considered more of a 34 rush LB than true WDE because of his apparent inability to defend against the run. I think a Kevin McNeil gives us more presence against the run, and does so without foregoing too much of the pass rush (remember that McNeil was actually more impressive than EB at the same time in their relative careers). I also don’t think McNeil’s frame could support the necessary weight for the SDE position. He doesn’t look like he could effectively play with the energy needed against double teams and within the strongside chaos play in and play out. But he could excel at WDE and give us more girth than EB did, there.

I’m very comfortable in Brandon Jenkins backing up McNeil at WDE despite his youth (this will be a prevalent theme). Not even a month long on campus, Jenkins was drawing rave reviews by both offensive and defensive coaching staffs and quickly supplanted more experienced players at his position for playing time.

Also from the summer workout photos, it seems Everett Dawkins weight gain from 233 to 270 has been miraculous, because it doesn’t appear to be bad weight. He actually looks trimmed. He also looks to have the low center of gravity and solid base that is advantageous for a strongside end. I think he would be a brilliant sub for White and would serve as an improved Neefy Moffett style player over there (but with 15+ more pounds).

At the Nose, Moses McCray has me geeked. He’s approaching 310 pounds and looks like a monster. His wrestling background denotes manual dexterity and experience, his 6’2 build leverage and the low center of gravity, his size the ability to handle himself at the 1 tech. I hope the coaches give him the opportunity, because I think Jacobbi McDaniel wouldn’t waste it and would become our second stringer at the 1 tech sooner than later. He came in at 295 and – while a bit out of shape – has still been called “the most dense high school player” people close to the program have ever seen. Jacobbi was unique during All American practices for his ability to burst and blow by linemen while not sacrificing strength and staying power. These are enviable characteristics for a 1 Tech NT.

While the more conventional method of occupying the space and blockers against which he’s deployed is by being an intractable object, the ability to burst and take the space that the Center and Guard are responsible for is another way to do it. Jacobbi can do both. He can force the Center and Guard’s necessity to block him by taking that space. And thus, they’re occupied, freeing the linebackers behind him and the 3 tech to his side.

At that benefitted position, Justin Mincey and Demonte McAllister. Mincey looks much bigger than the 275 he’s reputed to weigh. Regardless, he was our best lineman at times last year and without a doubt our most disruptive interior lineman. I honestly don’t care if every motivation he has for this season is selfish; because if he’s playing for the NFL paycheck, we will directly benefit as a team. The 3 tech needs to be a selfish player. He’s isolated with a small cache of space with the weakside Guard. He needs to maximize his disruptive potential and pierce the line of scrimmage. Mincey can do this, if he’s motivated, and so can Pete Carroll’s best three tech he’s ever seen.

Namely, Demonte McAllister, who weighed in at 278 pounds. Demonte is a beast and a future first rounder. His frame and style are masterfully crafted for the 3 tech position, and even flexed out to a 2nd rush end on strictly passing downs. Despite his youth, I think he will give us a much better threat of disruption and play-dictation than either seniors Ken Stewart or Bud Thacker.

WDE: Kevin McNeil 6’2 255 Sr; Brandon Jenkins 6’2 240 Fr
DT: Justin Mincey 6’5 280 Sr; Demonte McAllister 6’4 285 Fr
NT: Moses McCray 6’2 308 So; Jacobbi McDaniel 6’2 290 Fr
SDE: Markus White 6’4 275 RSJr; Everett Dawkins 6’2 270 RSFr

Heavy on youth, heavier on talent.

by CaStauch on Jul 7, 2009 4:01 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I tend to agree, except a few things

I think KStew has a really nice year. 280lbs and has finally re-shaped his body, stripping it down and building it back up. I suspect he gets many more snaps than Demonte.

I don’t agree with White at strongside end. Look at his JUCO film, he’s a terror coming off the edge in space and I do not think he has the engaged moves to play the strongside. I think Dawkins can play there right now.

Totally agree on Jacobbi.

by Bud Elliott on Jul 7, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

do we need both McAllister and McDaniles on the roster

or should they RS one of them. also are the going to be DT or slide out to DE at all.

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by Desman on Jul 9, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

We need them both

For depth and size. We don’t have the luxury of redshirting either but they both have the kind of upside that will benefit them and us playing early in my opinion. They’re both special talents and our D-line is very thin as it is.

by truenole87 on Jul 9, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another reason to not RS

is because of the number of DL guys we antipate on signing this year. Don’t want a situation where there is too many guys in one class so that when they leave suddenly we have to replace the entire 2 deep (or even 3 deep) in one class.

by RishiM on Jul 10, 2009 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great point!

We plan on bringing in a LOT of talent on the DL in the 2010 recruiting class. I’m thinking at least 2 and possibly 3 of them see a RS season.

by truenole87 on Jul 10, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tavaris Barnes for sure...

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by NaGaNole on Jul 10, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

He'll be a beast as a RS Freshman, he's very raw

but his talent is through the roof, especially considering that by the time he gets to campus we will have hired a better DE coach.

by truenole87 on Jul 10, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

CaStauch and FSUncensored

Stop confusing me with all this logic, stats and masterful science of intelligent defensive setups.

I want to know…..when will EJ take Ponders job…its obvious he will take us to a national championship this year.
Who will bring the swagger back to FSU? In case you have noticed, swagger is all we need.
And lastly, when will CTC get those lockers in shape…..I am so tired of hearing from rival fans about our sloppy locker apperances?

by diablonole on Jul 7, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know you were being sarcastic, so not a jump at you

But I literally HATE when people talk about swagger winning football games. It gets under my skin so bad.

by SWFLNole. on Jul 7, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then SWFLNole

I suggest never ever going to “another FSU” site. I have been berated more times than I can remember about how swagger fixes everything.

Not kissing ass but seriously…..re-read that posts of CaStauch and FSUncensored. This would never appear on the other site, their discussions are high level for rabid fans like I see on this site. Swagger comments, how backups are always better and other ridiculous nonsense are all thats discussed on the other site. Mark my words, if the first play of the 2009 FSU offense is not a touchdown, the posts will become even better…Fire Jimbo….Trickett sucks….Ponder is only the QB begin Bobby is racist.
Yes, I do have a dog in this fight too because I paid for that type of garbage and regretted it almost immediately. After about a month I demanded a refund of remaining membership and do not regret it.

by diablonole on Jul 7, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I know all about it

and they give us good crap all the time, no surprise.

by SWFLNole. on Jul 7, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

It doesn't fix everything

But there have been times during this stretch of mediocrity that i’ve questioned our players’ attitudes and whether or not they truly have the kind of confidence necessary to compete for championships. I seriously just haven’t seen it recently.

by truenole87 on Jul 7, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

On swagger:

I give you exhibit A, Budd Thacker: runs his mouth constantly, gets bowled over against Georgia Tech, does not back up the talk.

I give you exhibit B, Greg Reid: has confidence and backs it up with a dedicated work ethic. Lets his play do the talking before he even opens his mouth.

by NoleThruandThru on Jul 7, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Greg Reid doesn't talk?

I’m not questioning you. I’m just asking, because I don’t know how he was in high school or anything. He looks like a good kid, but judging from what you said, he was quiet on the field.

Just wants to beat the Gators

by DA-2 on Jul 7, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I know he talks

but his play talks before he opens his mouth. I’m juxtaposing him against Budd Thacker, who many thought had that “swagger” when he stepped on campus but turned out to be all bark, no bite. Greg is all bite, then barks to remind you what he just did to you.

by NoleThruandThru on Jul 7, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

True Swagger

Like most words that start off being cool, once “swagger/swag” went mainstream the meaning got screwed up. What you described with Reid is what swag is really supposed to be. All Thacker was doing was campaigning for a back hand. True swagger in a team sport isn’t bullying the other team or dancing around after every tackle, it is the entire team knowing they are going to crush whoever lines up against them.

I don’t think it swagger brings wins though, winning brings swagger.

by osceolafan850 on Jul 7, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since 2008, every time somebody utters or types the word "swagger"....

….a Labrador Retriever puppy falls into a vat of acid. Everyone, please keep this in mind.

by The K-Man on Jul 8, 2009 5:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry...

We’ve recently hired a lot of asians and its having an affect on my typing :D

by KnoxNole on Jul 15, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

deck the halls with (bless?) of holly, fa ra ra ra ra, ra ra ra ra (a christmas story).

" And He drank the world's sin so He could carry you in, and give you life"

by FSUvaFan on Jul 17, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Completely disagree truenole

I don’t think that is a problem at all.

by SWFLNole. on Jul 7, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't mistake swagger for trash talk

I don’t give a damn about Budd Thacker’s mouth. I’m talking about players LIKE Greg Reid, players who are confident in their abilities and competitive. REFUSING to lose without a fight, not backing down from challenges against elite competition. If anyone has mistaken Budd Thacker for having “swag” because he talks trash that’s their problem. I’m talking about an attitude and a competitive spirit. These last few seasons i’ve noticed terrible confidence in our teams. Body language, defeated looks on the sideline, its contagious and can turn into a losing spirit hanging over our program. I don’t know what other posters mean when they say swag but i’m referring to fearless confident players that make things happen and take pride in the spear on their helmet.

by truenole87 on Jul 7, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry

I’ve just seen looks of defeat in our players’ faces before the game is over on too many occasions. When I feel like our team has lost fight it truly bothers me and I think the confidence and die hard attitude of the players we’ve recruited in the last couple of classes

by truenole87 on Jul 7, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

So because we haven't been winning

the team should lose hope and confidence? We’ve had players that have very little resolve and show signs of being defeated. They don’t get hype for rival games the way they should, they’ve shown little competitive spirit. Regardless as to whether the chicken or the egg came first, the culture needs to change. Some of our players have become complacent with 7 and 8 win seasons and downright tickled with a 9 win season. An attitude adjustment can go a very long way. Again, its certainly not everything but you seem to be writing it off as if players’ confidence levels and attitude play no role in winning or losing.

by truenole87 on Jul 7, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

What proof do you have of any of this?

I think the players HAVE confidence. I think they may show signs in their face when they get beat because they ARE competitive and hate losing. Swagger or whatever BS you want to say is the reason the culture is this bad is ridiculous.

Our players are not complacent with 7 or 8 win seasons and tickled with 9 win seasons, that is absolutely absurd.

by SWFLNole. on Jul 7, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it really absurd?

Have you never watched a game and noticed that one team seems to be deflated while another is constantly riding high? I don’t see how you call it “BS”, to me is evident. Watch a game from the 90’s and a game from 2006 or 2007. Its obvious in my opinion. Hell you don’t even have to compare us in that way, take a look at any recent championship team and compare their energy and enthusiasm towards the game to ours. I actually heard players on the football team say that some of their teammates were “soft and scared” when playing in big games. That’s not a good way to be if you want to compete on a national level. Last season our guys finally showed a backbone and the ability to fight back when they’re down in a game. Do the game of football and attitude not go hand and hand? Am I in the twilight zone here?? Like I said there are obviously plenty of other factors but you’ve gotta be kidding me here if you haven’t observed this as a fan.

by truenole87 on Jul 7, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

about being competitive

you said: “I think the players HAVE confidence. I think they may show signs in their face when they get beat because they ARE competitive and hate losing.”

I feel, that if a player feels this way wouldn’t be more likely to get pumped about the challenge of mounting a comeback during a game than hanging his head and looking dejected and ready to quit? I’m not attacking you but i’m trying to understand how you don’t see a difference in attitude between truly successful teams and our teams in recent years.

by truenole87 on Jul 7, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think success breeds that so called attitude

And I know players, and none of them wants 9 wins. I will no longer argue as you are strong in your assumptions from anecdotal TV evidence.

by SWFLNole. on Jul 7, 2009 5:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I just said that I know players

who have testified to the apparent lack of a winning spirit in their own teammates. I guess you over looked that. But when players testify that other players are “afraid and soft” on game day, I think it backs up my point at least a little. I feel like you’re not really interested in the idea that maybe it makes sense lol. I’m on campus and around players, I go to games in person and i’m telling you what I see. Its not “anecdotal tv evidence”.

by truenole87 on Jul 7, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta agree with truenole to an extent.

Emotion plays a big part in any athletic event. Sure, the players need talent, but consider:

Take two teams of equal talent. One team plays on an emotional high with confidence and “swagger,” the other plays at a normal level. I’d give the edge to the team playing to prove a point every time.

by basbalstr101 on Jul 7, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed but

emotions and confidence also affect the game played on the field.

Ole Miss believed they could beat Florida in the swamp and were able to to do so. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying belief alone won them the game but I think it helped.

by GrassyNole on Jul 7, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok

well quantify how many swagger points we will get when we have players who have swagger, and not all these scared ninnies we have now. I’ll wait.

by SWFLNole. on Jul 7, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 drinks!!

I think 28 points should do it.

“The whole time we were down, I never felt we were going to lose,” Derrick Brooks
Nov. 26, 1994

by GrassyNole on Jul 7, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I looked over it because I read the same interview with that direct quote

If you know the player who said it and they repeated it to you, that is good. It was probably said after a hard loss, as a means to explain what happened.

I have just read too many well researched articles that show that qualitative character judgements based on anecdotes have very low correlation to what happens in sports.

by SWFLNole. on Jul 7, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Swagger matters for sure.

Having swagger is the same thing as saying a corner back has to have a short memory. You know why the great ones have short memorys because they know even though they just got beat it wont happen again it was an abberation. The swagger in them says you cant possibly do that to me twice and if you try me again im going to pick it off and take it back to the house for 6.

by 21nole24 on Jul 9, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny story

My offensive coordinator in college played qb in college himself. Well one week they were getting ready to play georgia when champ bailey was there. During the week in film sessions one half of the screen was blacked out, my coach says hey why do you have the screen blacked out(his coach responds thats champ baileys side of the field we arent Fing around oveer there). Well game day gets here my coach starts the game 8-9 110 yards and a touchdown, well he is feeling good about his so next possesion he is going to try Champs side of the field. Champ bailey picks the ball off and is returning it down the sideline as my coach chases champ yells back at him you should of left me alone and let me sleep. Next possesion they go three and out and have to punt. Champ fields the punt and takes it back down the sideline as he passes my coach screams TOLD YA and goes in for a touchdown.
“Swagger”

by 21nole24 on Jul 9, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

With our defensive woes and lack of a real threat at TE, lack of fade type WRs this year...

Hopkins might be as valuable and any recruit we signed in ’09.

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by NaGaNole on Jul 7, 2009 11:52 AM EDT reply actions  

I disagree completely (no offense)

Jarmon Fortson is 6’3 220 lbs and has speed, leaping ability and strong hands. The same goes for Avis Commack who’s 6’4 195. The two freshman receivers, Smith and Haulstead stand at 6’6 and 6’4 respectively and both have great ball skills. I’d imagine between the lot of these towering receivers WITH SPEED we can find a fade or deep threat WR. I think you might be underestimating Caz’s pass catching ability as well, he’ll be used more in the passing game because the O-line won’t need AS MUCH help from him as in years’ past. I’m also not prepared to call what we have “defensive woes”. We haven’t played yet, i’d call them concerns or questions, but with the type of talent we have compensating for the youth I wouldn’t be shocked if they turned out to play pretty well. Just my opinion though (i’m definitely one of the more optimistic fans, but my optimism is based on reality lol)

by truenole87 on Jul 7, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

In regards to Caz

Unless he got bit by a radioactive spider this offseason, I think his pass receiving has a close ceiling. I saw some plays last year that were terribly, terribly unathletic for a pass catcher. I can’t remember which game, but Ponder threw a jump ball, heave down towards Caz at the goal line. It looked like he had no knee ligaments and he ended up jumping negative 18 inches on the catch attempt.

by The K-Man on Jul 7, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Caz isn't an elite athlete

but he has dependable hands. He’s consistent and if he ever gets moving can be touch for corners and safeties to handle. I’m not calling him Antonio Gates but he’s a reliable option. We also don’t know how well Reliford and Little will play this year.

by truenole87 on Jul 7, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

His pass receiving ability probably

but not his production. He’s also another year removed from playing tackle.

by Bud Elliott on Jul 7, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok so Little is lazy but . . .

Reliford has a chance to make some plays IMO. If Dunham wasn’t so out of shape i’d give him some credit (but clearly he is). I just think we have more redzone and deep threats on our squad than some people are letting on. Couple that with the fact that our running game should be sick this year and Ponder’s improvement as a passer (hopefully) and we could have a pretty balanced offense this season.

by truenole87 on Jul 7, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

When it comes to Reliford...

…nothing but ranting and raving over his potential by Coley, Jimbo, and Stroud.

by The K-Man on Jul 7, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which I think counts for something

considering he’s only a sophomore and played in just 4 games last year. He’s 6’6 maybe 6’7 with sufficient speed. I don’t take praise from coaches like Jimbo very lightly because he usually doesn’t mind keeping it real and letting people know a player is disappointing.

by truenole87 on Jul 7, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why not Loius Givens at KR?

Gives the starters a rest; he’s got speed; and his height would actually be an advantage here.

by PeachTreeNole on Jul 7, 2009 3:13 PM EDT reply actions  

He'd be good but

you have to remember that Reid and Alexander may not be starters either. Honestly I think we can pick and plug as far as kick returning goes. We have plenty of viable options.

by truenole87 on Jul 7, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting comments

I believe we have deeper talent at most positions than what was available last year.

It is not an exact science a lot depends on how the team gels. There is room for some optimism here.

Many teams take a talented defensive back like Reid and they do well. UF has done this in the past, Joe Haden for instance. If jenije stumbles I am for Reid right away. Out of Alexander, Allen, Parks or Moody, some of these guys have to be ready to play surely.

The defensive backfield is the one place I could see problems but there is some freshman help coming in here. If Harley, Demps and Reid are better cover guys than what we have I say get them in early.

With a little luck it could be a surprising season. Then again FSU could drive down the field in the closing seconds for the win and give the ball back on the goal line like the Georgia Tech game. That game still strikes me as unbelievable.

When some talk of swagger I think they mean simply displaying the will to win even when you are behind. I have noticed at times especially the year before this last one a look of oh no here we go again.

My favorite game is still the choke at Doak and FSU didn’t even win it they just refused to lose.

by DocHoliday2 on Jul 8, 2009 2:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Not really sure how far we have to go....

I don’t think we have to look much further than UF to see the impact a new staff can have on a team.

Meyer won the NC with players that FSU’s poorly coached team (Rix & Co) were able to handle for the most part until Zook’s last game when the Gators snapped something like a 20 year losing streak in Doak.

I think we’d be pleasantly surprised with the talent we have if Jimbo had complete control. Let’s hope Bowden’s not rubbing off on him.

by jasonole59 on Jul 8, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Totally Agree

Not only the players need to understand they’re lucky to be part of the program, but the coaches as well (which probably won’t happen, but we don’t know what goes on inside a persons head, only guessing based on their actions). I bet even the most swaggerish (hellaswaggist) players were gratefull to be playing for FSU. Totally selfish players might appear to benefit teams on the surface, but you never know what kind of damange they have done internally because of their selfishness. You never know how good a team might have been if the incredibly gifted player had played as a leader. I remember VT having DeAngelo Hall and, although he made good plays, was a blight on the team because of his selfish mindset.

Unfortunately, swagger is synonymous with talking trash before acheiving so its great for the Deion’s of the world but not for the other 99%.

" And He drank the world's sin so He could carry you in, and give you life"

by FSUvaFan on Jul 8, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's more along the lines of what I meant

I understand everyone keeps saying that “confidence comes from winning” but as a former athlete myself and a lifelong competitor I believe its downright difficult to ever win in the first place WITHOUT that killer confidence. I don’t view swagger as a bad attitude, I view it as a supreme belief that you can beat the odds and your opponents. When I think swagger I think Michael Jordan, not Fred Rouse. I think (forgive me everyone) Tim Tebow, I think Charlie Ward, Peter Warrick, Tom Brady . . . do you get the type of names i’m naming here? Fred Rouse was a hot dog, a show off, that’s not the type of confidence i’m referring to. I would just prefer that our players have some hope and play like they have a chance to win AT ALL TIMES. I don’t think its too much to ask.

by truenole87 on Jul 8, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

May be an interesting spring...which is usually not the case in CFB

1. Reid and Allen have the physical ability to give jenije a push – we’ll see

2. Parks is a stud and may overtake mangum, but has no experience at the position. I wonder if he made up ground in the fall in the coaches view?

3. I don’t think the new DL’s will start or second, but the will get Playing time (although I think we should redshirt them, except for jenkins…he’s been preping and may provide another speed rusher with Everette gone)

4. I think Reid could push at PR butt I Reed has experience there, so unless Reid blows the doors off I don’t think it will be early (perhaps a shot during Jack st.)

5. I would persnoally like to see some one with more size on KR…but perhaps we don’t have that guy ready to play yet…Harley???

Yeah, right!

by truecolors on Jul 8, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions  

A.J Alexander

Is actually the surprise at CB right now while Allen continues to disappoint and Jenije is still inconsistent. Terrence Parks will probably play FS and could eventually challenge Jamie Robinson because he’s more physically gifted than Robinson. Nick Moody should start at SS. I literally have no place for Mangum on depth chart at the moment. May be harsh . . . but i’ve never been impressed with him lol

by truenole87 on Jul 8, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with your opinions completely...

I’m saying I don’t think that is where the coaches currently have them.

Yeah, right!

by truecolors on Jul 8, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

We need Bert Reed on the offensive side of the ball and have too many other viable options that can return kicks and don’t get me started on how fragile he looks. I’d give the nod to A.J Alexander, Greg Reid, Harley, Givens. Whatever the scenario, i don’t think we’ll be in bad shape in our return game.

by truenole87 on Jul 8, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reid is a very illusive, but I wonder how fast he is straight away?

He was getting caught from behind alot in highschool

Yeah, right!

by truecolors on Jul 8, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reid has sufficient speed

He’s not slow by any means, maybe stamina was an issue? Sometimes after guys make a bunch of people miss they run out of gas in the home stretch. He’s already arrived in Tally in great shape, training with Stroud in that heat through July and August will put him in the best shape of his life.

by truenole87 on Jul 9, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Some GREAT posts here by knowledgeable fans,

esp. CaStauch on defense. It got my blood flowing.

But I’m trying to temper my enthusiasm. I’m haunted by the spectre of our offense gashing and embarassing our defense repeatedly in the offseason.

I don’t think there is likely to be any low scoring games this year, not even with miami. Our offense is going to have to score a lot of points to cover for the defense, unless something has changed dramatically over the summer.

What am I overlooking?

by PeachTreeNole on Jul 17, 2009 1:58 PM EDT reply actions  

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