How should Florida State handle Willie Downs? Laying out a plan to get Willie back
[Editor's Note: I posted this Wednesday because it ties into our future plans. If you have class of 2010 recruiting talk, head to the WORT]
As everyone knows, recruit Willie Downs failed to qualify and is heading to Pearl River Community College, located in Poplarville, Mississippi.

First off, a little background info on Downs. In some circles, he was the top player in Florida last year. I believed him to be the best player we signed in the class of 2009. Downs could star both ways in college, but I (and many others) thought he should play safety. It seemed as if he had much more potential at the position, fueled by his dominant Army All American bowl performance.
(via BXSportsCenter)
He had something like 3 PBUs, an INT returned for a TD, a forced fumble, and a couple of sticks in the run game.If you are highly emotional about lost Seminole recruits, then I recommend that you not read the following section in which I laud the many talents of Willie Downs (which sadly do not include going to class).
Willie Downs (6'2'' 190, 4.45), as a safety, is a "ballhawk's ballhawk." He showed some of the best ball skills I have ever seen from a high school safety, particulary one that hadn't played the position much (until his senior year of high school). His instincts were rare for a high school player. While Downs does need to work on his tackling, he showed that he is not afraid to come up and stick you in the run game. Know who he reminded me of? Potentially, a very young Ed Reed. Same body type (coming out of high school), overall same skillset.
Inside: My take on what FSU should do with Willie. Can he get his life back on track?
CaStauch's excellent take (back in May)
He’d never take classes nor a course load that would make his time at FSU feel like time at a "major college".
I agree with the above poster on scenery change. Willie surrounded himself with the worst possible people for his future in a town that is notorious for swallowing the naive or complicit.
He’s outta Tally and almost outta chances. Realization of both should hit him rather quickly into his term at Pearl River CC.
We needed his ability and talented depth this year. However, maybe a silver lining is that he’ll never be polluted with archaic and ineffective Safety coaching now? He should come in a difference maker on a team full of talent in 2011. Selfishly, this puts his abilities in a much more amiable and conducive setting.
If we land the DL class some are hypothesizing we could land this season, 2011 we will have National Championship calibre front 7. Like FSUState implied, Downs could be our Reggie Nelson, securing and making plays in the back; providing the foreign stimulus and spark a MNC run.
This is all contingent upon, of course, him making it through Juco. I don’t think Jimbo let’s him go. He’s not a marginal talent; he’s not a "Travis Arnold" type.
Key word in there was Reggie Nelson. Remember him? The former Florida Gator safety who did not qualify out of high school, and went to a JuCo. He redshirted his first year, played his second. Therefore, he had three years to make an impact at Florida. He was arguably the top safety in college football (and, in my opinion, the catalyst for the national title run that year) in 2006. He then left early and was a first round draft pick. FSU should follow this exact same plan with Downs. Let him redshirt his first year, develop study habits (if possible), hit the weights, stay out of trouble. If Nelson can do it, no reason Downs can't.
Pearl River CC is located in Poplarville, Mississippi. Do we have any readers from that area? Don't want to offend anyone, but it doesn't look like there is much to do.
The change of scenery might do him some good. Poplarville is just far enough from Tallahasse that his posse wouldn't want to come and see him. And Poplarville is close enough that FSU coaches can keep an eye on his grades.
We also have to keep someone on Downs. Someone that is breathing down his back 24/7, preferably a Rick Trickett type. Like CaStauch said above, I don't think Jimbo will let him get lost in the JuCo shuffle. I would certainly hope that Jimbo realizes that Downs is a game changer on defense.
This is all extreme best case scenario. The chances of this happening are about 20%.
However, don't get your hopes up. Can he get it together? British Footman lasted one game at JuCo before he stopped going to class (wherabouts unknown). Willie certainly hasn't shown the work ethic to survive two years in football purgatory. This coming season (if he makes it there) will tell us a lot. Downs stopped going to school completely his senior year, knowing he had no chance. Downs isn't stupid, in an academic sense. He ran with the wrong people (AJ Graham).
To end this, I have a message for Willie. Prove everyone wrong. Choose the right friends. Go to class. You can make millions, or work at McDonalds. It should be an easy choice. We are rooting for you. It is up to you now.
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I do not expect to see Willie at FSU.
I admit this is a pretty optimistic article. There is a chance, though….
by FSUSOM on Jul 8, 2009 1:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Channelling Eric Turral
A “Godby kid” with world class potential— wasted. Except he actually made it to FSU briefly.
by FiestaNole on Jul 8, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Possibilities
Would it have been possible/feasible for him to have gone to Hargrave w/ CJ Mizzel?
by planeswalker39 on Jul 8, 2009 1:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Much worse off than CJ. Skipped school for weeks on end to smoke with his boys, etc.
by FSUncensored on Jul 8, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He needs a reality check
Sounds like he could be wasting a great opportunity of fulfilling a dream. When players go the JUCO route, I tend to lose faith that we’ll ever see them again.
by CSI Nole on Jul 8, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reggie Nelson gives me hope.
Reggie wasn’t exactly the sharpest tool in the shed either.
by FSUSOM on Jul 8, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
prep school
only benefits a very few anymore. Due to some prep school scandals, mostly with basketball, the NCAA toughened the rules on prep schools for eligibility. In essence, it is now only an option for those looking to boost test scores or take a single course — you can take classes designed to boost your math or verbal scores on the SAT (equivalent for ACT) and you can take a single course to complete the NCAA core course requirements or to substitute for one of your courses from high school to boost your GPA (NCAA rules require so many courses in various subjects, and one’s GPA for NCAA purposes are based on that – you could try to get a B in a prep school English course to replace a C in a high school for example, in order to boost your GPA).
Mizzel reportedly didn’t have the test score and supposedly is taking a course load designed to both boost his GPA and prep him for a retake of standardized tests. He’s supposedly close – a better grade would permit an achievable test score with some improvement, supposedly.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Jul 8, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but lets say he make the grade how long would he last at FSU.
Its not like we can let him take a on-line music class now can we.
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by Desman on Jul 8, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are the rules for contact with
a player who signed a LOI but then goes to JUCO? Obviously, at some point they are back on the market and I would assume recruiting rules apply.
How do we keep constant contact with him? Through his JUCO coach?
by coonhound on Jul 8, 2009 1:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would hope that we would place him somewhere we have a great relationship
with the coaches so we can have a little inside help. I know that doesn’t answer your question..
by jasonole59 on Jul 8, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
JUCO coaches love when players are placed
they are usually greatful
by SWFLNole. on Jul 8, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same rules apply, I think.
Not sure about it though.
by FSUSOM on Jul 8, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
unfortunately yes
but relationships with JUCO coaches is paramount
by SWFLNole. on Jul 8, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we get him back if he does what he's supposed to do.
by FSUSOM on Jul 8, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF he does well I don't think there is a question
definitely wanted to be a Nole.
by SWFLNole. on Jul 8, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm amazed that people like Downs
can be so shortsighted. He has all of the talent to be successful and more than enough opportunities and he just pisses it away. Sad.
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by UNFNOLE on Jul 8, 2009 1:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hard to miss what you never had...
Hope to see Willie again someday…the time to grow up before he gets the kind of exposure our program or any major D1 program would give him is what he needs the most…
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by NaGaNole on Jul 8, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Personally
When FSUsom says “in some circles considered the best player in FL” I was at the center point of that circle. I was visibly angry when I found out Willie wouldn’t qualify. I agree he needs to get straight and some time away will do well, but it still was a gutshot.
I never expect to see him back.
by SWFLNole. on Jul 8, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Potential...
I think we need to look at these kids as just that, kids. We seem to judge them for not looking long term in regards to athletics and their future. But it seems in my experience, this holds true for ‘regular’ students as well. There are just as many kids that could have had a great future in law or medicine had they not partied too much, hung with the wrong crowd, et cetera. Particularly if they didn’t have active parents and peers to support them.
by soliman on Jul 8, 2009 2:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
True.
But with Downs,
Parcells calls this the planet theory. There are only X people on the entire planet who can do X (he said it referencing nose guards for the 3-4)
by FSUncensored on Jul 8, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure I agree with that exactly
Comparing a law or med student to a football player is not exactly apples to apples. There is an entire system in place to make sure players succeed. They have very little to worry about other than school and the football field. It reminds me of my time in the Army. Everything is in place, the system that is, for soldiers to just do what they do best.
A typical student doesn’t have all the help. Yes, typical students and players still have to make the right decisions on their own but there really is no support structure for the independent typical student.
by diablonole on Jul 8, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think its easier for them to fail than people realize
A lot of the time kids like Downs either get away with, or get by just being lazy. People don’t stay on them to get things done, to go to class, to stop them from hanging with the wrong people etc. I really hope we see Downs in Garnet and Gold one day, He could be an amazing asset and even a star, but at the same time i’m not disgusted by the players we have back there in the coming season and beyond. Gerald Demps, Jajuan Harley, Terrence Parks and Nick Moody aren’t some slobs. They may provide the type of production in the secondary that doesn’t make us miss something we never had (in Downs) at all.
by truenole87 on Jul 8, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the world of Jajuan Harley
But Willie Downs is a game changer. An “eraser” of mistakes by CB. He is a star.
by SWFLNole. on Jul 8, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harley is very overlooked.
You catch any of his games, SWFL?
by FSUSOM on Jul 8, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I've seen him play.
He has a little work to do in coverage, and can run himself out of plays. Coachable stuff. Always was by far the best athlete on the field.
by SWFLNole. on Jul 8, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm I'm bad with comps honestly, I just don't like them much because they only say so much
I’ll try to think of one, But he is lightning quick and is already the size he needs to play S at the D1 level easy. He has sufficent hips, ridiculous closing speed but he does read players that well so when he comes up in the run he can get out of position a bit, not a great tackler.
by SWFLNole. on Jul 8, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just think we have great potential at Safety already in house
Don’t be confused, I definitely agree that Downs is an extremely rare talent and a game changer. But I think by the end of this season we’ll have guys prepared to step in that are somewhere between good and great at the position. I want Willie Downs here, but i’d get over it because i’m confident in the guys that did qualify.
by truenole87 on Jul 8, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not a perfect analogy...
…but the point I was trying to make was referring to the habits kids form before they get out of High School and our expectations. I agree with ‘truenole87’ that often, these kids are not pushed hard or are put on such high pedestals thing come too easy for them and it can come back to bite them. But in that sense we are all guilty of feeding the machine.
I do agree that once on campus, they are provided with a lot of tools. I will say, however, that I went to school with a lot preppy kids who would have gone to jail repeatedly had they not had powerful parents. These guys were never scrutinized as hard as student athletes. A barfight, weed, DUI. Hell, I know lawyers and doctors who actually have one or more of these offenses. They didn’t get kicked out…
by soliman on Jul 8, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're on the same page
That’s kind of how it is for high school athletes in certain areas. Take it from me (I went to high school with Pac Man Jones and Cameron Newton). Now let me be the first to say in Cam Newton’s defense, that kid is NOT a troublemaker. He was a class clown, he’d crack jokes but he never got into any real trouble and i’ve known him since he was 11 years old. He’s a good kid. PAC MAN on the other hand . . . he is every bit the spoiled baby he appears to be on ESPN. I was a freshman when he was a senior, he RAN that school. From administration to coaches to teachers, nobody put him in his place, EVER. He would park his car on the sidewalk outside of the weight room, he would ride a dirt bike around the parking lot while the rest of us were in class (these are just to name a few). I literally don’t recall him being properly punished for anything he ever did which is why he finds himself in the position he’s in now. These kids need to be held more accountable at an early age so that they understand that the rules DO apply to them as they do everyone else.
by truenole87 on Jul 8, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
he is every bit the spoiled baby he appears to be on ESPN. I was a freshman when he was a senior, he RAN that school. From administration to coaches to teachers, nobody put him in his place, EVER. He would park his car on the sidewalk outside of the weight room, he would ride a dirt bike around the parking lot while the rest of us were in class (these are just to name a few)
P.I.M.P.I.N.
Now you kind of realize why he turned out the way did. More stories!
by FSUSOM on Jul 8, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Its hard for me to be as hard on him as other people are because I actually know him personally and have been able to see where it all started. Its upsetting but for people in our area and at our high school none of it is a shock and we place a lot of the blame on the lack of any type of authority before he left for WVU. Willie Downs is young and doesn’t seem to be a trouble maker, I think he just needed this wake up call and hopefully it works and motivates him in the classroom.
by truenole87 on Jul 8, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is he?
I’m genuinely not sure on Downs, I thought his issues were only grades. But I suppose if you aren’t going to class at all its kind of hard to stay out of trouble.
by truenole87 on Jul 8, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's got a rep as a street kid with all that entails
by SWFLNole. on Jul 8, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well that sucks
Maybe Poplarville will be boring enough to keep him focus. Puts a damper on my comparison to a degree (despite being a street kid Pac Man was a consistent honor roll student). I still think its the same premise though, Downs needed this change of environment. The friends surrounding this big potential athletes never seem to properly understand their place. They need to either get their lives together or leave guys like Downs alone.
by truenole87 on Jul 8, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peer pressure is real nasty bitch.
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by FrankDNole on Jul 8, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could he do all of that? Sure
Let’s say he does, then gets over to Tally. What’s to say he doesn’t get swallowed up then? If he puts on a Garnet jersey, then great. I won’t get my hopes up.
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by Jonathan Loesche on Jul 8, 2009 2:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I won’t get my hopes up, that’s for sure. I had kind of forgotten about Footman, didn’t know he was MIA, but not a big surprise.
by wnc_nole on Jul 8, 2009 2:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can imagine.
Just wants to beat the Gators
by DA-2 on Jul 8, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two points: a pessimistic prediction and a positive prescription
Pessimistic prediction: Willie Downs will end up like Randy Moss — he’ll play for some non-FBS school and go on to a stellar career in the NFL.
Positive prescription: Downs doesn’t just need a good coach and tutors — he needs a mentor or “life coach” who can help him get his internal world straightened out. Coaches and tutors can’t give him everything he needs.
by missourinole on Jul 8, 2009 4:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Like N Alabama?? lol
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by NaGaNole on Jul 9, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great article
Its up to Downs now he is away from Tally now and he needs to take advantage of that. I wish him the best even if he doesnt make it back. With that said i dont think its the end of the world i have high expectations for Parks, Demps, and Harley.
by PCnole08 on Jul 8, 2009 4:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hattiesburg is where Southern Miss is. That’s all I can see that’s relatively close. And it doesn’t offend anyone, there’s nothing to do in Mississippi. Anyone who has lived there knows it.
by l0stnumber on Jul 8, 2009 5:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Looking back.....
I wish Fred Rouse hadn’t qualified either. That kid needed to get away too, though l doubt he would have made it back.
by FSUSOM on Jul 8, 2009 5:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He loves that MDMA!!!
Burglaries and grand theft are now his specialties…
by CSI Nole on Jul 8, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And extacy.
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by FrankDNole on Jul 8, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, not familiar with. In the 80's Quaaludes were probably the equivalent of same.
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by FrankDNole on Jul 8, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow... what a waste...
Willie- don’t let your talent turn into this….
by coonhound on Jul 8, 2009 6:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To answer you question about whats around the area....
I dont know how far he is going to be from the Casino’s. Lets just hope he doesnt get a Fake ID and try an go gambling and drinking. If he were to do that I think it would only be a matter of time before his whereabouts become unknown
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by PanamaCityBeach-NOLE on Jul 8, 2009 7:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's say he makes the grades and gets into FSU.
Once back in Tally, why should we expect anything to change and what’s to stop him from getting back together with his Godby buds. What are the chances he won’t become another entry on the police blotter and another headline for media’s frenzy with the criminoles. I guess there are never really any guarantees. We can only hope he qualifies, decides to attend FSU, goes to classes, stays away from the bad influences, so he can succeed here and maybe go on to the next level and become a millionaire. I hope I’m dead wrong because of what I’m reading about his upside, but I don’t think many of us could make that type of total turnaround in our lives, especially at that age.
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by FrankDNole on Jul 8, 2009 7:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just for the record
FSUsom and I differ, when he asked for my opinion I said 5%, he wrote 20%
by SWFLNole. on Jul 8, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
whos picture?
whos jail pic is that coonhound? i thought maybe fred rouse but i went to that link and typed his name but no matches found…
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by PanamaCityBeach-NOLE on Jul 8, 2009 7:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That would be the infamous Fred Rouse
by CSI Nole on Jul 8, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
aka the biggest waste of talent we've ever signed.
by FSUSOM on Jul 8, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly that's debatable
Man I cringe when I think about how much we’ve lost. Still pissed about Marcus Ball and Anthony Leon. SMH over Fred Rouse and although Randy Moss went on to be successful i’m STILL PISSED. What the hell? Its mind boggling. What I realize though, coming from a similar background and growing up with some of these kids, they are more or less doomed from the start. There’s an immense amount of pressure on them. Sometimes the hardest shot/catch to make is the one where you’re wide open and all alone. “The sure thing” is the easiest thing to screw up and these kids prove it time and time again. What sucks is that Willie Downs won’t be the last. Luckily for him there’s still hope.
by truenole87 on Jul 8, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's all about a state of mind....
these kinds have to change the way the have been living. its really NOT that hard. I used to be a drug addict, guess what? Im not anymore. You have to want to make a better life for yourself. I think to many of these kids think they are the GREATEST thing since sliced bread. They need to wake up and look at what matters most. Jail or Success!
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by PanamaCityBeach-NOLE on Jul 8, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're probably the exception though
A lot of people that go down the wrong road have a hard time finding their way back, combine that with the fact that as athletes these kids already have an extremely small window of time in which to get their acts together and make a real run at glory. Basically what we expect of them is to reverse a lifetime of habits and friendships within a couple months of being on campus at FSU and realistically speaking its just not easy. Until there is a program set in place at the school that helps them transition from where they’ve been to where they wanna go. Problem is we expect them to be totally devoted to football and books, so there’s little time for personal development.
by truenole87 on Jul 8, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im no exception
i was abusing for 12yrs. since i was 13yrs old. and when i got into sum trouble it was CLEAN up NOW or goto jail. I had 6 months to get my stuff 2gether. u just have to think of whats more important. to me it was cleaning my life up. but then again im not 18yrs old anymore. i live in Panama City Beach,FL and its a HUGE party town so it was hard to do right in this town, but its up to the person.
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by PanamaCityBeach-NOLE on Jul 8, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Congrats on making success your priority, PCBNole!
by FSUncensored on Jul 8, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks!!!
Well guys im out for a little while… Thanks for all the great info and ill be on a little later. Have a good night everyone
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by PanamaCityBeach-NOLE on Jul 8, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what i thought...
Since i couldnt find on the link i figured it was a older pic.. I’ll NEVER forget that RANT he had on the sideline and the cam was fixated on him. I dont understand whats inside some of these kids heads… its like you have the OPPORTUNITY of a LIFETIME and they piss it away. I know who you hang out with plays a role but come on.
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by PanamaCityBeach-NOLE on Jul 8, 2009 7:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Im ready to see the "OLD" FSU
im ready to see the return of the OLD DAYS, now what i mean by that is im ready to see a team that a real “team” where they care for oneanother and strive to make others look good. because when you do that you ultimately make yourself shine. we dont need to have kids commit just because were a Pro-Factory. I want kids that love FSU and eachother. I think if we get back to that, everything else will fall in place
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by PanamaCityBeach-NOLE on Jul 8, 2009 8:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Another waste of talent was Preston P.
Seems to be doing ok in Tally, then goes home on break, hooks up with friends, and winds up in a downward spiral that he may or may not recover from.
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by FrankDNole on Jul 8, 2009 8:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yea, except it was during a meaningless season that ended with a miserable bowl, except for the arrival of Jimbo.
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by FrankDNole on Jul 8, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he should have kept the dreads
That solid one year was because he was our sole playmaker. Last season, we had several options to go to.
by CSI Nole on Jul 8, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Callahan Bright
Just wants to beat the Gators
by DA-2 on Jul 8, 2009 9:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I remember some going as far to say the kid was a first round lock.
IIRC, Callahan is actually playing football at a small school in North Carolina. Good for him.
by FSUSOM on Jul 8, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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