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Florida State Tuesday Practice Report: The 'Noles Seek Consistent Focus

It's no secret that FSU is reaping the benefits of their excellent off-season conditioning program. The Seminoles are moving at a quicker pace and are getting in a lot more plays. That worked well for the first three practices, but today the heat and intensity got to a few guys as they lost focus. The coaches were not pleased.

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. - The dog days of preseason football camp are clearly underway, but the prospect of donning full pads for the first time Wednesday morning is something the Florida State football team is looking forward to with great anticipation.

"Everybody is looking forward it," said FSU senior defensive tackle Budd Thacker. "It gives everybody more of an incentive to go out and hit somebody. We'll get in some goal line, which is always a tough thing for the guys."

I saw Thacker on Sunday.  He looks to be bigger in the upper body but his legs are tiny and I heard that he did not make the progress the coaches wanted in his rehab.  Defensive tackle Moses McCray is now working with the first team, a move 'Nole fans should celebrate.

Tuesday's 2 1/2-hour workout seemed to take a toll on the team, as it battled sweltering temperatures and the raised expectations of the coaching staff.

"It was very obvious we weren't as peppy today as we were yesterday," said FSU coach Bobby Bowden, who for the fourth consecutive workout spent significant time on the practice field, rotating between different segments. "The kids have handled everything good so far. I hope they can keep it up."

I spoke with Bert Reed Sunday, and he emphasized the need to play hard every snap, and every practice period.  "We took periods off last year.  We would start strong, slack off, and then try to finish strong.  We cannot do that.  We don't do that this year," Reed said.  "We have to bring it every play.  We have to know what to do and think every play."  So far, the practices had gone pretty well.  Reed said that FSU had actually run out of things to do because of the increased pace, as the coaches actually underestimated the squad.  FSU is getting in 25% more plays per practice session, from the high 80's to the one-teens.    

That will be especially challenging over the next two days. After getting their first taste of full pads Wednesday, the Seminoles are scheduled for their first two-a-day session on Thursday.

It is the kind of drain that will test the resolve of the team, which the players insist in stronger and more unified than ever.  

"It's hot, but when it comes down to it, it's all in your head," said Thacker. "You've got to do it and help each other out."

Quarterback Christian Ponder said practicing in full pads provides a better look and barometer of exactly where the team is at this juncture.

"You put the pads on and really play football," Ponder said. "It's different going in just helmets and shoulder pads. You don't get a real look. When you put the full pads on it really shows where we are right now."

The 'Noles have to be more physical, specifically on defense, and we will get to see that for the first time tomorrow.  

It may also serve to heighten focus while under duress; something that waned at times Tuesday.

"Toward the end of practice (focus) definitely plays a role," Ponder added. "That's better for us because it will help us out in the long run."

Andrew Carter lets us know that talented but inconsistent Sophomore Wide Reciever Jarmon Fortson got reamed by Fisher today.  He ran the wrong routes and just lacked attention to detail

."J-man (Fortson) could be whatever J-man wants to be," said Fisher. "J-man just has to decide if he wants to do it every play -- which he does, I'm not saying he doesn't. But I'm talking about focus. Sometimes you run the route, and, 'am I really focused on what I'm doing?' When he does it, he can do whatever he wants to do. It's not a knock on him, it's something that happens with youth. As he gets more experienced with it, and learns to concentrate, he'll get better. But when he focuses, he's a heck of a football player."

Quarterback Christian Ponder agreed.

"His mind kind of gets to him a little bit," Ponder said. "He gets frustrated sometimes. He just needs to grow a little bit, but he made a lot of great plays at the end. When he's in it, he does well. The kid's a freak. Once he gets over the maturity hump, he'll be good."

 It appears that Senior Richard Goodman is the favorite to start over Fortson.  That makes sense, because FSU doesn't need amazing from it's wide receivers.  With the 'Nole's running game, FSU just needs consistently good.  Be where you should be.  Know the route you must run before the ball is snapped.  Fortson is a better talent than Goodman, but Goodman is no slouch and is the better player right now.  ESPN has more on Goodman:

"In the offseason there was so much that happened to the point where the only way to go is up," Goodman said. " ... We're not guaranteeing any wins, but you can quote me on this when I tell you this: The Florida State receiving corps, the Florida State offense, and the team, period, we're going to play four quarters of football every game."

Goodman could have a really, really big surprising year for the 'Noles.  He's definitely the senior leader

Bowden looks forward to the full pads contact because it is often the best gauge to determine which freshmen may be most prepared for action early on.

"Sometimes a guy that has been looking OK, but not outstanding, when he puts the pads on he becomes outstanding," Bowden said. "Those are things we find out as we watch kids play."

Jacobbi McDaniel is apparently in line for some serious PT at Defensive Tackle.  I think he has amazing potential but probably will be inconsistent, since he a freshman.

While Tuesday's practice provided a limited number of highlights during 7-on-7 and 11-on-11 team drills, Bowden did cite a pair of players for outstanding plays.

Sophomore tight end Beau Reliford, more accomplished as a basketball player in high school, stretched out to make an outstanding catch during 11-on-11 work. It was one of many on the day for the raw-boned, 6-foot-7 youngster, who has been impressive throughout the early stages of camp.

"(Reliford) is coming along," Bowden said. "He came in here with outstanding talent and he's really becoming a football player."

He's getting some serious work at H-Back.  Reliford is of course very raw, as he only played 2 years of high school football.  He does have some serious athletic ability.  

Reliford said it's "kind of weird" lining up as an h-back, but he was also spread out wide today. He said he's much more confident this year because he spent so much time in the offseason studying the playbook.  More here from ESPN.   

Heather has a good article there.  FSU will use Reliford all over the field this year, like an H-Back, which we detailed last week.  

The other end of the experience spectrum, senior free safety Jamie Robinson had an interception return for a touchdown near the end of the practice session. It was Robinson's second in as many days, on the heels of an outstanding spring by the one-time cornerback.

"Those were the two biggest plays out there today," Bowden said.

Senior Jamie Robinson is having an all-star camp, just like he did in the spring.  He reminds some of Dexter Jackson.  Robinson has always had good ball skills.

Finally, Steve Ellis who runs the excellent Democrat blog, offers some great nuggets:

  • JaJuan Harley looks very good returning kicks.  (As does A.J. Alexander)
  • Greg Reid, Bert Reed, and Chris Thompson look good returning punts (excellent all over really.  He doesn't look like a freshman).  

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As the first post, I am going to completely ignore all the great information and make a stupid joke instead...
“The kids have handled everything good so far. I hope they can keep it up.”-Bobby Bowden

That’s what she said.

by MattDNole on Aug 11, 2009 5:56 PM EDT reply actions  

A couple thoughts

- Harley and Reid were two of the Kick/Punt returners in the entire country last year. They have different styles (Harley has more straight line speed and power, Reid is extremely elusive)

- I’m glad to see Goodman start, I love Fortson’s skill but we need a reliable route runner and blocker. Goodman is that, and is the biggest leader on the team.

- McDaniel is just another breed of athlete. I think he is one of very few people who can step in at DT and perform well.

by SWFLNole. on Aug 11, 2009 6:09 PM EDT reply actions  

McCray news is wonderful

Sounds like we actually might have the right guys starting along the d-line. Depth will hurt us though. We have a bunch of great options for return men, so we really can’t go wrong there.

by DKfromVA on Aug 11, 2009 6:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Punt returns and kick returns

It is hard to believe any team could present any more talent than FSU has on hand now in this area. We should see some great field position from this bunch.

I had not thought much of Harley as a returner but 200 pounds, 4.32 speed why not?

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by DocHoliday2 on Aug 11, 2009 6:30 PM EDT reply actions  

He was one of the premiere kick returners in the country last year.

Truly a threat all the time. Kid is a natural athlete, played tons of positions. Started at WR, S, some CB, KR, PR

by SWFLNole. on Aug 11, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Easterling is going to be great

Could be FSU’s next great WR. I’m working on a post right now evaluating the WR

by SWFLNole. on Aug 11, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Link in this quote “Jacobbi McDaniel is apparently in line for some serious PT at Defensive Tackle. I think he has amazing potential but probably will be inconsistent, since he a freshman.” seems broken. Might be adblock extension though so working for anyone else?

"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein

by Olbrannon on Aug 11, 2009 7:34 PM EDT reply actions  

im so excited

to get to see those younger players in the return game, and a.j alexander, i hear so much about his speed, i wanna see what he can do also…but i dont want bert returning kicks and punts…to much of a risk, especially when we got such quality talent to put there instead.

by jfree on Aug 11, 2009 7:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Ultimately I don't think we can go wrong

with Goodman and Fortson. They’ll both have outstanding seasons this year. The news about Tavares is unsettling though, I really hope its nothing major and he’s able to hold up. I was definitely looking forward to seeing him play this year and we’re gonna need him.

by truenole87 on Aug 11, 2009 8:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Sorry Louis Givens

Chris Thompson is the worst thing that could have stepped on campus for you. I love what Givens brings on Special Teams defense, but CT should be the beneficiary of the plays that might have been drawn up for Givens. CT needs at least 8 touches a game at a minimum.

by Zach_Nole on Aug 11, 2009 8:30 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't see why they both can't be used effectively.

Anybody that can take a ball on a short play and turn it into a long one is an asset to the offense. There are a lot of different ways each of them can be used.

by truenole87 on Aug 11, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

But Givens was primed to get 5-6 touches a game following Spring.
I think CT will be the player whose number is called for many of those plays.
I still think Givens can contribute, but my point is that CT needs as many touches as possible.

by Zach_Nole on Aug 11, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Point taken, I just think he gives us a type of threat we haven't seen in a while

I’d like to see him get some of those touches on KO returns, but it sounds like we have other options ahead of him. 6 touches a game sounds more reasonable I guess.

by Zach_Nole on Aug 11, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Special Year

Not that it matters, but I Never give people props for their jokes. However, that joke K-Man, was pretty funny.

I was day-dreaming last night before bed, if there is such a thing, but I dreamt that J-Rob took back one for 6 in a big game for us. I hope he shows up big for us. The DL is coming together too.

This year is shaping up to be special boys. Finally! We might lose one we weren’t supposed to win, but we’re gonna win a few we aren’t supposed to win, too.

by LincolnHighNole on Aug 12, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you. One of the positives of the molestation is my robust sense of humor as an adult.

(hope you know I’m kidding)
As far as this year goes, I hope for a bunch of Wild West Shootouts. If our defense is as inconsistent I feel it might be, let’s just keep our hands to the side and throw haymakers for 4 quarters. Kinda likes this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeTZzlSE_Mo

(MattDNole can be seen in a baby blue sweater at 0:32 of the video)

by The K-Man on Aug 12, 2009 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't forget Givens impact on kick coverage

It seemed like he was the first man down and may have led the team in special teams tackles. The kid is definitely valuable to the team.

by FtLauderdaleNole on Aug 12, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, that is huge news

Unfortunately for Bama fans, that means even more Ryan Williams. I am of the opinion that Williams will be one of the best RB’s in the country for the next 3 years. Tons more upside than Evans.

by Zach_Nole on Aug 11, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tavares Presley

A “twinge” in his knee is not good. I hope it is just the scar tissue loosening up. I really want to see this guy on the field this year.

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by DocHoliday2 on Aug 11, 2009 9:17 PM EDT reply actions  

I read the twinge was in his leg.

Hope it is not the knee.

Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
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by badknees81 on Aug 11, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope so too

I guess they will go into more detail tomorrow. I am probably imagining the worst as I have been talking about this guy for two years.

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by DocHoliday2 on Aug 11, 2009 10:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Glad to see that the coaches are openly dissappointed

It tells me that they not just feeding the media a bunch of fluff on the team, unless this is some sort of strategically planned anti-fluff fluff, and that most of what they have stated it their actual opinion on what the season will hold in store for us. More specifically fishers comments on Ponder.

Although I have to wonder, with reported interceptions being thrown and no mention of the QB who is throwing them………well whats the reason behind this. Methinks that Mr Ponder may not be as consistent and we thought and we might be trying to psyche-out UM to think our passing game is more of a threat than it really is.

Yes I might be paranoid but my tendency to believe that what is said pubically is more often than not motivated by things being the exact opposite of what they are in reality has served me well in the past. Although I would like to be proven wrong here.

Espn do you think maybe we could get someone to cover the ACC that wears big boy pants?

TEBOW IS A GAY ROBOT

by stevegrizzle on Aug 12, 2009 7:42 AM EDT reply actions  

AC mentioned that Jamie Robinson picked off one of Ponder’s passes, who knows what the circumstances were, might have been bad pass, might have been bad route, or maybe just excellent defensive play by JR.

"No, like I said, Woo peed on my rug" - The Dude

by Surfanole on Aug 12, 2009 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know that we would all love to believe that its the latter

but my koolaid buzz has worn off……….

I don’t know, I’m starting to get this horrible felling in my gut like just before the WF game last year……….

I need to hit the fridge and make me some more red juice, goosefrahbah

Espn do you think maybe we could get someone to cover the ACC that wears big boy pants?

TEBOW IS A GAY ROBOT

by stevegrizzle on Aug 12, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Surfa is saying that

an INT is a result. What was the process?

Did CP make the right decision and just make a bad throw?
Was it a bad decision good throw? Both? Neither?
Was it the wrong route?
Did the wideout tip his route? (Fortson played like garbage yesterday and was reamed by Fisher for running lazy routes).
Was the ball tipped?
How was the protection?
Did Jamie Robinson just make a spectacular play?

What if Ponder threw a great ball that was picked, but threw 4 or 5 that were very bad and should have been picked but just weren’t? That’s the problem with end results analysis.

Again, our defense should look very good in shorts. They are small and very very fast. Let’s see what happens when they have to worry about being ran on. Same for the offense.

by Bud Elliott on Aug 12, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right, I understnd that and agree that the circumstance of the INT are much more telling than the INT itself

but there is now way to know the circumstances w/o seeing the practice and we dont have that access.

I imagine it is most likely a result of a bad route, given the info on Fortson, but Im just starting to doubt the changes in ponder.

anyways this is all just speculation from a less than informed fan…………….

Espn do you think maybe we could get someone to cover the ACC that wears big boy pants?

TEBOW IS A GAY ROBOT

by stevegrizzle on Aug 12, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

J-Rob had another INT in Wednesday’s practice so I think it has more to do with him then the offense

by Quentin C on Aug 12, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

And the offense ripped the defense BIG today.

Multiple 30+ yard passes. Very happy with that for the offense, have to question the defense.

by Bud Elliott on Aug 12, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

las vegas respect

Vegasnole here – just joined.
The line for the Florida State – Miami game opened at -2.5 in early July at the Golden Nugget. The Las Vegas Hilton (the most respected sports book in the country) posted
-3 two weeks later. Since then the line has risen to -5 off shore. The professionals are definitely looking for big things from FSU in this game as this is tremendous line movement for it being so early in the process (even before the start of practice).
Just as a sidecar here are some more of the Noles’ early posted lines:
at BYU +3
South Florida -6.5
Georgia Tech -4.5
at N. Carolina +3.5
at Florida +21.5
Virginia Tech favored to win the ACC Championship at 5/2. FSU second at 7/2.

by vegasnole on Aug 12, 2009 12:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Vegasnole, welcome!

I know we are also dogs at Clemson.

I took Clemson at +1000 for the conference at Greek, now +300

Do you see less pro’s now after the crackdown of a few years back in off-shore?

Maybe we can have a back and forth each week on the lines.

by Bud Elliott on Aug 12, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow

@BYU +3.5 Id be on that!
@UNC +4.5 " "
USF-6.5 " "

Espn do you think maybe we could get someone to cover the ACC that wears big boy pants?

TEBOW IS A GAY ROBOT

by stevegrizzle on Aug 12, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

If gambling were legal where I am

I’d throw a big stack at that BYU game

by SWFLNole. on Aug 12, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

its legal where i am but no $ to gamble with

which is a bigger problem :(

Espn do you think maybe we could get someone to cover the ACC that wears big boy pants?

TEBOW IS A GAY ROBOT

by stevegrizzle on Aug 12, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

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