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Progression, Continuation, or Regression? Noles Offensive Line


Everyone can breathe a big sigh of relief now.  This is the last part of this series, and I will soon be out of your hair forever.  However, I will follow this up with a short recap with the final #'s for each unit, so that you all can share a good laugh over your projections come January.

So far we have analyzed, discussed, and you have voted on whether the Defensive Line, the Receivers/Tight Endthe Secondary, the Offensive Backfieldthe Linebackers, and the Special Teams, will be better, the same, or worse than last years equivalent unit. Today we will take a look at the Offensive Line, to determine if this unit has progressed, expected to continue at the same level, or regressed, in comparison to last years O-Line.

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THE OFFENSIVE LINE

Trench warfare isn't pretty, but it often decides which team wins on Saturday's because a stout line protects it's quarterback, and opens up running lanes for the tailbacks. 

You will hear many coaches say that if you win the battle in the trenches (both offensive and defensive), you will win on the scoreboard, and more specifically, if you want an indication of how well a team is going to do, watch how the offensive line performs.  The Noles lost plenty of those trench battles last season, especially in the passing game.

With that said, the offensive line is the unit that takes the longest to get used to playing with each other.  Think about it:  It is the only unit where a player is shoulder to shoulder with another player, and a lot of a player's success depends on what and how the player next to him is doing.  A team that can keep their offensive line together and keep them healthy over the course of a season, is the team that is going to have the most success.  Usually, these are the teams that turn out better than people expected at the start of the season.  Sound familiar?  It should, and this is a reason to be cautiously optimistic about this teams potential this year.

On the other hand, when you see a team having trouble staying healthy on the offensive line, those are usually the teams that are going to have some problems.  As players get hurt and have to sit out games, the chemistry, communication, instincts, and the skills of their replacements aren't familiar to the rest of the line, and usually results in less likelyhood of running and passing the ball effectively.

if you are a regular TN reader, you are probably  familiar with this topic from such recent stories as  Will the Florida State Offensive Line Pass Protect in 2009? and, Understanding Zone Blocking and Florida State's Offensive Line, and, Florida State Seminoles Left Tackle Andrew Datko to face an NFL schedule.

The Noles 2009 offensive line, while the youngest line in the FBS in 2008, could be one of the best in the country in 2009.   For the first time since 2004, the Seminoles will return all five starters on the offensive line from the previous season. That year the Seminoles averaged 162 yards per game on the ground.  Three of the five projected starters on the line were named a freshman All-American (Andrew Datko, Rodney Hudson and Ryan McMahon).    Despite starting three true freshmen, the Seminoles had their best year running the football since 2000 as far as NCAA rankings go.  Rodney Hudson enters on the watch list for the 2009 Lombardi Award. He is one of only two ACC players on the watch list.

One of the major areas of concern for Rick Trickett's unit this year will be to improve in the pass blocking where last years unit gave up 26 sacks for 187 yards.

 

2008 LEFT TACKLE=Zebrie Sanders started the first game before being replaced by Andrew Datko who then started the remaining 12 games.

2009 PROJECTED LEFT TACKLE=Andrew Datko followed by Rhonne Sanderson and Garrett Faircloth.

 

2008 LEFT GUARD=Rodney Hudson started every game.

2009 PROJECTED LEFT GUARD=Rodney Hudson followed by Rhonne Sanderson and Blake Snider.

 

2008 CENTER=Ryan McMahon started every game.

2009 PROJECTED CENTER=Ryan McMahon followed by A.J. Ganguzza

 

2008 RIGHT GUARD=David Spurlock started the first game before being replaced by Will Furlong who  then started the next 5 games, then Spurlock reclaimed the job finishing the season.

2009 PROJECTED RIGHT GUARD=David Spurlock (assuming his shoulder injury is OK) followed by Brandon Davis and Will Furlong.

 

2008 RIGHT TACKLE=Antwane Greenlee started the first 3 games, then was replaced by Zebrie Sanders who then started every remaining game.

2009 PROJECTED RIGHT TACKLE=Zebrie Sanders followed by Antwane Greenlee.

 

OTHERS ON THE ROSTER WHO MAY CONTRIBUTE=Jacob Stanley and in the incoming class John Prior, Bryan Stork, and Henry Orelus.  Aubrey Phillips is no longer on the team and Evan Bellamy is out for the season with  blood clot issues.

 

While this is the depth chart we expected prior to the start of practice, on the second day of practice Trickett decided to shake things up a little on the right side of the line.

RG David Spurlock and RT Zebrie Sanders started the majority of last season, but Brandon Davis and Antwane Greenlee have moved onto the first team at those two positions, respectively. Trickett made the changes, he said after practice on Saturday, because Davis and Greenlee earned the promotions during spring practice.

"I thought at the end of spring practice I thought they out-worked the other guys," Trickett said. "Now, summer work [has] all been pretty much the same. But I usually start them out where they ended up spring practice. I don’t judge anything on the weight room and stuff like that."

Spurlock and Sanders, of course, are now working to earn their positions back.

 "I thought Zebrie’s had two real good days, he’s shown that he wants to get it back and Brandon, he’s fighting to keep it," Trickett said. "And you can tell Spurlock’s got a little rust on him."

Courtesy of Andrew Carter's Chopping Block

More recently, it appears that these 2 position battles will come down to the following.

The position: Right guard
The battle: David Spurlock vs. Brandon Davis
The skinny: Spurlock, a sophomore, is the incumbent and he started eight games here a season ago. But Davis, a redshirt junior, moved ahead of Spurlock during the spring and has remained on the first string. Offensive line coach Rick Trickett admits he tried to run Davis off but Davis wouldn’t let him. Trickett says Spurlock is rusty but that he’s at his best when motivated, which he should be given his demotion.

The position: Right tackle
The battle: Zebrie Sanders vs. Antwane Greenlee
The skinny: Like Spurlock, Sanders is a sophomore who started at his position the majority of last season. But in similar fashion, he lost his spot to Greenlee in the spring. Greenlee started the first three games a season ago, and he has impressed Trickett with his tenacity. Trickett said he was impressed by Sanders’ efforts early on in preseason practice. This position might not be decided until kick off of the Miami game.

Courtesy of Andrew Carter's Chopping Block

 

Regardless of how these two position battles shake out once the pads are on and the hitting starts,

MY BOTTOM LINE FOR THE OFFENSIVE LINE=PROGRESSION

What is your bottom line? Please vote now.

THE VOTING COULD GET VERY VERY UGLY!

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2009 FSU OFFENSIVE LINE-PROGRESSION, CONTINUATION, OR REGRESSION? Please read the story before voting. Poll closes Friday August 14, at 11:55 PM.
PROGRESSION
304 votes
CONTINUATION
7 votes
REGRESSION
9 votes

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No Brainer.

Barring some serious injuries, this unit should continue to gel together, and the right pieces should find their way into the starting lineup or their correct positions. If this line doesn’t improve there is something seriously wrong.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Aug 12, 2009 6:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Def.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Aug 13, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

This one was easy

It wasn’t long ago that when somebody was injured there was nobody to replace them.

I see that have Faircloth projected as 3rd back up left tackle on the quarterback’s blind side. He is certainly big enough to round into that type.

Anybody at the practices seen anything notable on Ganguzza or Snider?

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Discussing front page articles is encouraged!

by DocHoliday2 on Aug 12, 2009 6:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Faircloth 6'6" 273 true freshman.

2009 Outlook: Signed with FSU in 2008 and enrolled in the spring of 2009…a proto-typical Rick Trickett recruit who is expected to flourish under the veteran coach’s tutelage…will compete at a stacked left tackle position where freshman All-American Andrew Datko is the starter and Rhonne Sanderson had one of the best springs of anyone on the line…Sanderson can play on the right or left side giving Faircloth the opportunity to be the primary back-up behind Datko if needed…missed his junior season of high school due to a torn ACL.

>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em

by FrankDNole on Aug 12, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

20 votes... all for progression

And justifiably.

I think if our two RTs are really that close we should not be afraid to rotate them often.

I know with the OL you want to form a cohesion among them, and they work as a unit, however when a guy is gassed it is in the best interest of the team to put someone else in, so I think we should be able to put anyone in the 2-deep in the lineup and shouldn’t have any communication issues.

It seemed like McMahon was being out muscled last year, any word on if he looks bigger/stronger this year? He’s a tough MFer, smart too, I think if he has the strength this year he will be a very good player for us.

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Aug 12, 2009 6:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Like I said to end the story, the voting could get real ugly.

Good point on the 2 RT’s. Give them all some work and experience. I just wonder how much of the demotion is Trickett just playing head games to fire up Spurlock and Sanders, although Trickett might not be the kind to really give a sheet and plug in whoever he thinks is best.

>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em

by FrankDNole on Aug 12, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

By the way frank, hell of a job on this series

I’m sure if someone else does this next year it will be a regression

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Aug 12, 2009 6:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Coaching

So are you going to do a coaching staff/AD progression or regression?

by FSU on Aug 12, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks Chris.

>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em

by FrankDNole on Aug 12, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha ha ha Well I voted

- 1 to regretion + to progretion someone had to do it.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Aug 12, 2009 9:52 PM EDT reply actions  

I did it only because I thought no one would.

As for the truth FSU has the best in the ACC and one of the best in the nation. I think Our Offense will win more games this year all by themselfs.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Aug 13, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Desman

I was sure one of them was Spurrier.

Playstation All American, right again!
Discussing front page articles is encouraged!

by DocHoliday2 on Aug 12, 2009 11:06 PM EDT reply actions  

As usual, good stuff (just curious do you get tired of the accolades?) :)

Frank, didn’t Furlong transfer a couple of months ago? Had him listed as 3rd team RG.

by RishiM on Aug 13, 2009 1:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Accolades, you can't be serious? I want a promotion and a raise.

Furlong is listed as 3rd string because I don’t expect him to see much action.

Seriously though, it was a oversight that should have been caught by Debbie, my proof reading intern, who has since been dismissed. I am now looking for a 18-22 year old blond coed who doesn’t mind being stared at all day to replace Debbie. This is what I am looking for.

Furlong was the one that transferred to FSU’s North Campus in Alabama. He was the one that left crying with his tail tucked between his legs because Trickett was too hard and rough on him.

He is now viewed as royalty, a God, and a Saviour, by the Bowden offspring. All he ever asked for was a little lovin’ from the Trickster.

>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em

by FrankDNole on Aug 13, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll Bet

There are a lot of group hugs up there.

It was long ago and it's far away but it was so much better than it is today--Meatloaf

by CantwaitforJimbo on Aug 13, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

Hudson is now the team’s second team center, per Andrew Carter’s latest blog post

-Rhonne Sanderson worked some with the first team offensive line today at right tackle. That side of the line is in flux right now, but position coach Rick Trickett knows what he’s doing. He’s trying to build some depth and get guys ready to play multiple positions. He doesn’t have a depth chart there right now, per se. Instead, he’s working a bunch of guys at a bunch of different places. Like, for instance, Rodney Hudson at center. Trickett said Hudson is the team’s backup center. If starter Ryan McMahon is hurt, Trickett said, then Hudson would start at center.

Emphasis mine.

by Wild@Heart Nole on Aug 13, 2009 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

That is good to know. Hearing about the cross training is also great, because

the guys in the trenches really do take a beating, their teammates and the defenders very often roll up behind them, and they have one of the shortest careers of anyone on the field.

>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em

by FrankDNole on Aug 13, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

you know how I see this

If I was a G and I go and line up and I know how to play Center and T, I can look and dont have to be told who Im blocking and where Im going.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Aug 13, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

knowing what assignments is different than KNOWING the assignments. You only get to the second level after having lived it. Being yelled at by a coach for missing an assignment you know another guy is supposed to get is a very sound reinforcement.

That doesn’t make a whole lot of sense…but what I mean is that when you have played a position, you know what the other guy is thinking, what his priorities have to be, etc., which helps you cover for / know what to expect from them.

by PBD on Aug 14, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

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