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Florida State's New Practice Methods Evidence of Changing Culture as the 'Nole's Offense Goes Deep

The Seminoles didn't go full pads Wednesday morning, but the practice was still a hit.  

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. - After some deliberation the Florida State football coaching staff opted to delay the first day of practice in full pads until Thursday, which is also the first, two-session practice of the offseason.

If the Seminoles were disappointed about the delay, it did not show during Wednesday's morning session.

"We really tested them today," FSU coach Bobby Bowden said after the 2 1/2-hour workout on the Al Dunlap Practice Fields. "It was their third day in a row with no break - no day off - and they survived it pretty good."

Better still, the Seminoles appeared energized after a somewhat lethargic effort a day earlier.

"We improved today as a football team," offensive coordinator Jimbo Fisher said. "Our attitude and effort was very good. Our work ethic and approach was good."

That's a big improvement from Tuesday when Jimbo Fisher could be heard yelling at Jarmon Fortson from the parking garage.  The 'Noles got back to the intensity they had in the first three days.  It seems that the new coaching staff will not accept anything less- from the players or the stubborn defensive staff.

And there's little doubt the team is getting ample work. By splitting the offense - and in some instances the defense - into two groups, the coaching staff is exposing more players to more repetitions, which is critical to development. Bowden signed off on the change in practice structure and likes what he's seen thus far with the new system, even though it's difficult to keep up with both groups simultaneously working on separate fields.

"From up high (in the tower) I can see both of them," Bowden said. "It's a lot more reps, which is really taxing on them. From what we've done in the past, this doubles it."

Double the work also means double the opportunity and both the offense and defense capitalized at various times.

You need to listen to this radio clip.  It's from 1270 The Team's Jeff Cameron Show.  Jeff played college football and he is one of the guys who really understands X's and O's.  He also understands organizational structure, and was one of the first to predict the debacle that was the nepositm era under Bobby Bowden (Jeff Bowden's tenure here).  

The clip is here.  I have taken some quotes and will go through them:

Also, Jimbo Fisher is now running practices and the old guard coaching staff has relinquished some control. Fisher has seized the control, and the practices are very different from 2007 and even 2008.  If you are someone who hasn't been out there in a while, say since 2004 or 2005, it is night and day.  You wouldn't recognize practice now.  Jimbo Fisher has won that war.  No longer are practices run by Mickey Andrews.  No longer will the practices feature guys standing around waiting their turn.  Maximum effort is not asked but rather demanded.  All three fields are utilized simultaneously.  Field Goals are contested in practice to simulate actual game-like conditions.  The kickers made every one of their kicks and they run to each spot to simulate getting off a last second field goal with no time remaining.  Guys are getting three times as many reps.  The players are absolutely dead after practice, both mentally and physically.  Everyone is in motion. It is efficiency personified. The coaching staff is demanding consistent focus and immediacy from each player.  It is the most encouraging thing I have seen from the program in a long time [Jeff has been around for over a decade].  This pace is frantic. FSU had 5 minutes to run 30 plays. They did it in 4. There is no wasted time or motion. This is evidence of the culture change FSU fans have longed for. Fisher and the new coaches who will be here when the program returns to greatness in 2010 or 2011. Backups are involved and held accountable. They are not learning by watching. Fisher said that every practice must be controlled chaos and every snap must be in preparation of a national championship. FSU is reaping the benefits of the improved strength and conditioning program. Under the old guard, this team was out of shape and weak and could not handle a practice structure like this. Kid's don't know it, but they desire discipline. But they have to believe in the messenger. They have to believe their sacrifices are worth it.

Fisher has showed the old coaches why their methods were obsolete.  Before Fisher and Coley got here, FSU was quickly falling behind the process, and the sad part was that Bowden and the older coaches were so complacent that they didn't even realize the things they were missing.  It has not been easy for Jimbo, but he will soon have Bowden and Andrews out of the program.  He's already phasing out their influence and asserting his own.  Bowden and Andrews' futures aren't at FSU.  Kids can sense that.  They know these two have a year left.  What Jeff alludes to with the "belief" comment is absolutely correct.  The kids don't trust those coaches because they can tell they are not fully invested in the program in the way that Fisher and Coley and others are.  Other changes to expect when Fisher takes over include not having a vacation interfere with the ideal date to hold a recruiting camp.  

Jamie Robinson looks very natural, instinctive, and very fast.  

Very happy about Jamie Robinson.  

Jermaine Thomas had a really long run for a touchdown.  He was untouched.  He hit the edge on the toss sweep and was gone.  Play was well blocked and Thomas appears to be a special playmaker.  

Starting last year, we were telling people Thomas was better than Antone Smith and has a chance to be special.  

Make sure to listen to the clip.  Jeff runs a great show.

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Cornerbacks Patrick Robinson and Xavier Rhodes had pass break-ups of balls intended for wideouts Richard Goodman and Rodney Smith in a two-defender, skeleton session. Cornerback Dionte Allen, working opposite A.J. Alexander with the second-team defense, had a break-up and an interception in pass skeleton.  "By schedule, it's time for him to step up," Bowden said, when asked the progress of Allen, a redshirt sophomore who saw little action due to injury last season.

The progress of Allen and Alexander is very encouraging.  Rhodes is extremely physical for a freshman corner.  Robinson is the #1 rated corner by CBS Sports' draft site. 

Quarterbacks Christain Ponder and EJ Manuel were on target much of the practice, which included small group work, a down-and-distance period, plus 7-on-7 and 11-on-11 work.

Ponder completed 3 of 4 attempts during a third-down conversion drill, including a 9-yard strike to tight end Caz Piurowski, who made a leaping grab. Ponder zipped a sideline pass to Bert Reed for a 12-yard gain, then connected with Rod Owens for 10 yards and another first down.

Allen prevented Ponder from a perfect period, riding wideout Avis Commack out of bounds on a well-contested pass.

Manuel, after going 5 for 7 during 7-on-7, wasn't quite as sharp during the third-down drill. Linebacker Nigel Bradham and safety Justin Bright sandwiched a pair of pass break-ups around Manuel's sideline dart to Josh Gehres for a 30-yard gain.

It is amazing what good pass protection can do for a passing attack.  Andrew Carter has more:

-Good day for the offense today. Lots of long passes. Both Christian Ponder and E.J. Manuel looked impressive today, and each completed their share of deep balls. I wasn't in the group that interviewed defensive coordinator Mickey Andrews after practice, but those that were said he was a bit upset. To put it lightly.  Orlando Sentinel.

Jarmon Fortson, Beau Reliford, and Chris Thompson all had good days today.  Fortson did not get chewed out apparently, which is a plus.  His athleticism is off the charts.

The productive day by the secondary was no small coincidence.

"After watching film on practice (Tuesday) night ... one of the things that kept popping up was we really weren't flying to the ball," senior free safety Jamie Robinson said. "We really weren't as active as we should be. We came out and wanted to focus on that.

"Whenever you've got guys flying to the ball you know good things are going to happen."

For the second consecutive day Robinson came through with an interception near the end of practice, which hardly went unnoticed.

"Jamie had another interception and that's a good sign," Bowden said. "We haven't had much of that back there. We need takeaways."

On a third-down play with Ponder looking to go deep, Robinson hawked down the ball.

"They were going deep and Korey (Mangum) was protecting the post and I just broke down on it," Robinson said, adding that the pass was intended for Taiwan Easterling. "The ball came in there and I just went down and got it."

The secondary will be fine.  It is the front 7 that must step up and provide pressure.  FSU always puts a tremendous amount of pressure on their defensive backs- probably too much.  Robinson has had 4 picks so far in 5 days and is continuing his impressive spring.

"Jacobbi McDaniel has extremely rare physical maturity for a freshman. I am typically very reluctant to forecast anything from a freshman interior defensive lineman, but McDaniel will see the field and see it often." 

Some have even told me that McDaniel is the 'Nole's best defensive lineman.

 

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Now this is a practice report

The culture change is probably the most encouraging thing that has been said about this program in quite a while. This is how modern major college football teams have to practice. I think the practices of previous years definitely contributed to a downturn for this program, among a sea of other reasons.

Swagger, Intensity, Execution

by DKfromVA on Aug 12, 2009 5:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Grea stuff FSUncensored

Terrific insight. Its difficult to get stuff down here in South Florida. Thanks as always.

BTW, I listen to the Jefff Cameron show every football season. He’s great too.

by FtLauderdaleNole on Aug 12, 2009 5:23 PM EDT reply actions  

This is great to hear

There seems to be a sense of urgency, and not just from the coaching staff but from the players. That’s a very good thing. This team just had their best season in 3 years but you hear of these guys busting their butts and wanting to get better each and every day through hard work is an attitude change for the better.

This is almost as exciting as Coach Coley’s tweets. You’re either carring a SPEAR or running from it…

by lildrunknole on Aug 12, 2009 5:29 PM EDT reply actions  

You can't get this stuff on the paysites

Great write up again I don’t have to go any place else for information any more I just click on this site. If there is an article worth reading there will most likely be a link here from someone.

I guess it was just a hamstring with Presley and he will be alright.

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by DocHoliday2 on Aug 12, 2009 5:37 PM EDT reply actions  

So McD might just be the best

well Im glad to hear the Off is improving. Sounds like the guys like what they are seeing on the field and within the program. Its like the last few years they expected to win but realy didnt care. Something is changing. They seem fired up and want to play. The Offence seems to know they are better and they can score. Its going to be nice to be able to score when we want to score instead of having to relay on ST (Gano)." Better thing have yet to come better thing are still to be donw in this city. "

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Aug 12, 2009 5:42 PM EDT reply actions  

That radio clip is extremely encouraging

and Jeff Cameron doesn’t seem like a random sunshine and roses.

by truenole87 on Aug 12, 2009 5:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Sorry, got distracted

. . . random sunshine and roses type of guy

by truenole87 on Aug 12, 2009 5:49 PM EDT reply actions  

This is the first I have ever heard of us delaying the pads.

Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb

by badknees81 on Aug 12, 2009 5:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Pads

They delayed because they were going to have 5 consecutive days in pads and that is too many.

by Bud Elliott on Aug 12, 2009 5:59 PM EDT reply actions  

So it was a schedule screw up, too funny.

I bet the players were pissed.

Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb

by badknees81 on Aug 12, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. I would be. They hit like they had pads on.

by Bud Elliott on Aug 12, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hopkins

How is he and powell doing? Those need to step in and save our special teams.

by fsudude on Aug 12, 2009 6:05 PM EDT reply actions  

It said the kickers made every kick

I think we will be fine with FGs.

As far as punts… as long as we’re “ok” in that category I’m alright.

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Aug 12, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

My God man what is wrong with you.

Don’t worry I fixed it for you.

Jermaine Thomas had a really long run for a touchdown. He was untouched. He hit the edge on the toss sweep a running play and was gone. Play was well blocked and Thomas appears to be a special playmaker.

>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em

by FrankDNole on Aug 12, 2009 6:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Apparently if we don’t diagram new stuff it is ok

by Bud Elliott on Aug 12, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks very much!

You just made me feel really old :)

by FiestaNole on Aug 13, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well if he is like Bo Jackson

who cares if they have a copy or not they wouldnt stop him because Bo knows.

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by Desman on Aug 13, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thomas is special

That is why that freaking Lester Miles was camped out in Jacksonville with a suitcase full of money before signing day.

I never worried about Hopkins he was the #1 kicker prospect in the nation you know.

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by DocHoliday2 on Aug 12, 2009 6:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Reading this makes me happy and mad at the same time. Im glad to see the team is progressing and the new coaches are doing a great job of bringing in a new way of thinking but im also upset that the former coaches thought that they were doing a good job. They should give back their paychecks.

by Dizzim on Aug 12, 2009 7:38 PM EDT reply actions  

They were doing a good job… In the 90, but once big money came into the game, so did better coaches with new and better ideas.

by Bud Elliott on Aug 12, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bud

I have often wondered for years why they didn’t split up into two squads so the second team could get work.

I am afraid BB and the boys belong to a bygone era. At least they stepping back a little and letting coaches who know what they are doing run the show.

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by DocHoliday2 on Aug 12, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea

Im glad that Jimbo was able to convince them to change things too.

by Dizzim on Aug 12, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now the Question:

Are we now practicing on par with other programs, or at a higher level? It’s good news, and I’m glad to here it, but I hope “we’re not the last ones to the party”.

by jasonole59 on Aug 12, 2009 9:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Miami

is probably still not at this party.

by truenole87 on Aug 12, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm fairly ignorant at the way practices are run

as I never played or participated with College Football. I guess I just assumed that with the severe limits on practice time, they would run multiple groups simultaneously.

It’s like if the whole team watched and waited for the place kickers to finish field goal practice before moving on to something else.

Is this how practice ran with the 100+ teams?? I guess that was prior to severe limits on practice time.

by coonhound on Aug 12, 2009 10:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey Bud

30 yard bomb to Geyres, he is blowing up man! LOL

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by DocHoliday2 on Aug 12, 2009 11:07 PM EDT reply actions  

"not having a vacation interfere with the ideal date to hold a recruiting camp"

Can somebody enlighten me about that. I guess I missed it somewhere. Thanks

by Gatorcanehater on Aug 12, 2009 11:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Bobby takes the month of June off every year that is y seminole showtime is in july. Jimbo would much rather have it earlier in the summer but his hands are tied right now

by Quentin C on Aug 12, 2009 11:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The running 30 plays in 4 minutes is very encouraging

I’m hoping that this will help keep all the players sharp and on point at all times during actual games which will hopefully lead to:

1) 0 Delay of Game penalties;

2) < 5 false start penalties (would write 0, but I think that may be unrealistic);

3) < 1 missed assignment/game by the OL

4) probably should be grouped with #1, but also 0 wasted T.O.s this year would be awesome.

Also, by running so many plays quickly – in addition to using all players on the 3 fields – we will find out quickly if anyone doesn’t know the playbook backwards and forwards.

Also liked reading about contesting kicks and running the teams on the field, which hopefully again will be that we won’t be caught a man short on a rushed attempt – which would be particularily troublesome if we didn’t have a timeout, hence the running on the field. Also by contesting the kicks the teams (and kicker, snapper – and holder on FG/PAT attempt – in particular) will have to be on point which can only help in actual games. Only concern here is I imagine there may be some crossover in terms of FG kick unit and FG defense unit in terms of blocker or 2 (hopefully we’ll be able to use exclusively O players for the attempt unit and D players for the FG defending unit).

Also, I may have missed it somewhere, but who is the holder this year?

by RishiM on Aug 13, 2009 1:14 AM EDT reply actions  

I think to clear this up,

I should note that these field goal attempts are being contested by 1 or 2 guys, not a whole team.

No idea who the holder will be.

by Bud Elliott on Aug 13, 2009 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

With running 25% more plays is there a way to get an idea or the possable risk factor

of a player getting hurt. I would think it would rise but with the STR and Con from the summer I hope that helps out a lot. I just dont want to see someone go down because we are running them harder. Dont get me wrong the harder the work the better the player. You only get what you put into it.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Aug 13, 2009 7:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Great coverage

and its nice to read about the change of pace and new methods. It’s been clear we weer getting outclassed from a coaching, conditioning, and mindset approach the last few years

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by Buc Wild on Aug 13, 2009 9:46 AM EDT reply actions  

So where does the 10 extra min come in for the GT option

If we are getting more plays in then we could maybe throw it at them for 15 min.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Aug 13, 2009 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Addition by subtraction

Am I the only one thinking part or most of the Noles improvement will be via addition by subtraction?

Thomas is wayyyy better than Smith,
I think Jenji will be better than Carter as he can match up with bigger recievers better,
Rolle was good at run stoppage he sucked at coverage and I think either McClure or Parks is better at coverage due to thier coverage skill set,
I’ll take Reed over Parker
I think Forston has more upside than Carr.
Bradham is going to be the next great FSU LB (he will be a first round pick for sure)

Does anyone have anything to report on Wade ar WR, I think he has improved and will be on the field this year.

by nextlevel on Aug 13, 2009 11:22 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree for the most part,

except for the Rolle thing. Rolle played great for what we asked him to do. Our expectations of him were completely unrealistic and if our front 7 wasn’t so damn tiny, he wouldn’t have had to act like a 4th linebacker on every play and could have actually played some deep-half coverage.

Most on that list are completely unproven, so there is that…

Wade? I expect Wade to be cut before his senior year. Jimbo tried to reject his commitment when he arrived in January ‘07 and Bobby wouldn’t let him. Wade adds nothing and I would not be surprised if he had another legal issue before he is asked to leave.

by Bud Elliott on Aug 13, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

agree except for 2

A) Give me Parker on the field over Reed. Reed’s speed is far superior, but I trust Parker’s hands, blocking, and route running a little more at this point.

2) Tough to predict first-round draft status for anybody except the ultra, ultra elite players. (Think Adrian Peterson and Calvin Johnson’s of the world)

by The K-Man on Aug 13, 2009 7:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

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