2009 FSU Noles Will Win The ACC At 10-4 For Progression
by FrankDNole on Aug 19, 2009 3:32 PM EDT
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PrintWith the 2009 FSU football season kicking off in less than 3 weeks, the time has come to post the results of how you expect your Noles will perform and where we will finish up come January.
First of all, I would like to thank all of the Tomahawk Nation Members who voted, including all of those new members who joined because of the quality of the contents that are found here, and so that their votes would be counted in this very scientific and professional poll of the most knowledgeable FSU football fans on any of the Nole boards anywhere, including any of those other neo-nazi oriented pay sites.
Please continue reading for results.
You the TN members, had already decided that this 2009 team would show much Progression in the Defensive Line, the Receivers/Tight End, the Secondary, the Offensive Backfield, the Linebackers, and the Offensive Line, while the Special Teams would regress, due mainly to the loss of Graham Gano.
I then asked you to predict how many games this years squad would win, and if that included the ACC Championship or not.
65% of the voters expect the Noles to win the ACC Championship this year for the first time since 2005 and for the 13th time in school history, while finishing with a 12-2 record at best, a 9-5 record at worst, and with a 10-4 record being the most popular.
Here are the results and the final breakdown of the Poll asking you how many games the FSU Seminoles would win in 2009.
30% think we will win 10 games and the ACC Championship.
19% think we will win 9 games and the ACC Championship.
10% think we will win 11 games and the ACC Championship.
9% think we will win 10 games but not the ACC Championship.
6% think we will win 12 games and the ACC Championship.
6% think we will win 9 games but not win the ACC Championship.
6% think we will win 8 games but not win the ACC Championship.
3% very optimistic readers think we will win 14 games, the ACC Championship, and I would have to assume that includes winning the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP THIS YEAR, since we will be undefeated with the nations 2nd hardest SOS, and would have gone gator gigging on November 28th.
FOR THOSE 3%, THIS IS ESPECIALLY FOR YOU!
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Finally,
1% think we will win 13 games and the ACC Championship,
and
1% think we will win 11 games but not the ACC Championship.
The rest of the votes were less than 1% and/or cast by non-members and discarded.
Now you can all sit back and enjoy this season of PROGRESSION, knowing that your votes have been counted and tabulated, and come the middle of January, we will return here to see how you did.
Once again, thanks to everyone who played along, and "ARE YOU READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL"?
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Very Hopeful
I have high hopes. I am hoping for 10 wins plus an ACC championship. I would be satisfied with 9 wins and an apperance in the Championship game. This is still a building year. Next year is when we will be loaded.
Cedat Fortuna Peritis
My gut says 9 and 3 regular season, but I think we will take at least one of the ACC CG and/or the Bowl.
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I tend to agree with you Frank
9-3 for the season. Go to the ACC CG and lose but we win the bowl game.
I can agree with this assessment however
I think if we play vtech in the ACC CG we have a good shot at slipping by with a W. We own them and they know it
The Kool-Aid dude carrying a pitcher of Kool-Aid. Isn't that sort of cannibalistic?
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Just a preconcieved notion.
He is really taking an urinalysis.
by osceolafan850 on Aug 19, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
We can all dream
Right now I am thinking 10-2 regular season, but could see 9-3 of course. Ga Tech and UNC are the toughest ACC games IMO. I’m hoping UNC has trouble scoring and Tech’s D-line doesn’t come around. Tech could beat us in a shoot out, or whatever it is called if the other team only runs, but the rest of the ACC should be fairly bad when it comes to offense.
Hoping we lose close ones to the Gators and either the Jackets or Heels, and then win the rest of them. I would then hope to meet Va Tech in the ACCCG, beat them and then win the OB. The narrative that would give could write itself for the entire off season.
I had many moist dreams about the blond (Lisa?) and I used to make my 2nd wife dress up like her.
I think that may have led to our splitting up.
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His solos wocked your world?
It always looked like she was cold, but the knee pads are what did it for me.
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Wow
I am in a decided minority with my pessimism as I have us winning 8 games which, by virtue of our much more difficult schedule, would be effectively a 2-game improvement over last year.
Nobody will be rooting for me to be wrong (on the low side!) harder than me!
Schedule
I think the SOS has lightened up some. BYU and BC both have had some major injuries so they shouldn’t be as tough as we thought they would be. NC State also lost the heart of their defense to injury. As long as we take care of the ball and control the line of scrimmage on offense we can have a big year.
by osceolafan850 on Aug 19, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Same here but went without the ACCCG appearance, assuming Clemson would win the tie-breaker.
Thus 9-4 with a bowl win. (And therefore I might be same as SWFLNole and DKfromVA, but I didn’t know if they were counting the bowl win, so I posted here.) Anyway, concerning the record, I’d like to be wrong. Bring home the ACC, guys. It seems to me a lot of people are counting on beating Clemson – won’t be easy, gang. And with the rest of our slate, it will be tough to win a tie-breaker without the W there.
Wow, I like the optimism ...
but I’d say 8-4, 9-3 tops — with a division title. If we win the ACC, it’s a successful year. If we win 10 games or finish with four losses or fewer (bowl and ACCCG included), it’s a success.
If we had a softer schedule, I’d go higher, but I think there are too many landmines for us to tiptoe past ALL of them.
Right now, I just want a win against Miami.
14-0. LET'S MAKE IT HAPPEN.
Seriously, I want an ACC title this year. That we can actually accomplish.
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OK so are you all ready for the truth ok here we go.
As for the Noles the truth is they could go 11-1 with a win agenst WV or rutgers. They could go 8-5 and make it back to the lower lvl bowls. Last year we all drank the koolaid with the first 2 blow outs and chugged it down 10 min before the WF blow out. That might just happen again ( I dont think it will) So I think the Q: is what teams can down right beat us. UF is the only one. Then we get to the who has a chance more than 50% Im only sold that GT can. The rest of the teams are lower than 50% so that means we can go 11-2 and play a big bowl. BB can go out on top and with a W in the OB.
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Wake Wasn't a blow out
I really don’t want to give WF anything to get fired up about…so I won’t say what I feel. But what I will say is that game was more about us putting in our new offense than WF being super great.
a score of 12-3 with very errant GIVE AWAYS (NOT turnovers) is hardly a blowout. You can credit the nole defense for keeping us in that and the offense for the loss.
none of that matters
This is what happened If you watched the game. We kicked off they had 4 and out punt first play Ponder throws an INT and the game was over. Ponder never had a chance after that. Then after they scored 3 witch seemed like 7 for some reason they get there Offside kick and took all the wind out of us. yes the game was only 12-3 but it could ahve been 80-3 we lost after the first INT.
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Understood
But that game was the offense realizing that they didn’t know what they were doing like they thought they knew what they were doing.
10-4? I assumed we were voting on regular season and ACC
I change my vote from 9+ACC
to 10+ACC (9 regs and a bowl win)
Yeah, right!
I thought the ACC Roundtable was very informative.
NCSt and Clemson worry me more and everyone else worries me less. I think I don’t think our schedule will be rated the second most difficult once the season plays out. If we don’t have any early letdowns, we should be favored in at least 10 regular season games. BYU is over-rated, and we play on the easier side of our division this year. We can lose to UF, Clemson, and NCSt or UNC and finish 9-3 for the regular season. A loss to VT and a bowl win put us at 10-4. An ACCCG win and an OB loss also equals 10-4. I think it is pretty likely.
OH YEAAHH!
I think you have a point here.
NCST has a running QB that and a TE are FSU weekness. Clemson has talent if they can get it to work but so does Miami. GT can still hurt us if MA dont get it together. Im sure we will find out if the extra 10 min each practice works or not in the first Qt. Those are the only game I worry about but at the same time that 4 game add UF and we could be looking at a 8-5 season but I think we win 3 or 4 of them.
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Agreed.
Hated it at first. Now I hope they just keep horsin’ around until game day.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 20, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
10 wins at least
If FSU doesn’t win 9 I will cut off my little finger yakuza style.
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I'm with ya doc...
I think I went with 10 wins and no ACC Championship in the poll. However I think 9 wins total with a bowl game is where I’m at right now. I think lack of quality depth on the defense is going to lose us a game or two we shouldn’t. Unlike many of my fellow Nole fans, my confidence is decreasing the closer we get to the season. With the many question marks this team still has, and a very strong schedule, I will still consider 9-4 improvement. Less than 9 W’s….I’ll help you sharpen the knife. Amazing the difference one loss can have on the psyche of college football fans. HAHA.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 20, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Schedule
If Fisher can’t win at least 10 against this schedule then we really ought to re-think the idea of him becoming head coach. There is not ONE game that the Noles shouldn’t be favored in. Not one. If anything I seriously think the Noles could and should be able to walk into the Swamp undefeated. You think I’m crazy? Look at this schedule, the ONLY team that can beat FSU is FSU regarding the ACC. We have the best team overall in the ACC.
Lose three games? To whom and based on what?
GT? Lost way too much on defense and people think they are going to run the ball on us again like that? I don’t think so. And here’s something everyone seems to forget: WE SHOULD HAVE WON THAT GAME.
BYU? defense is a joke
NC State? Injured on the DL: UH OH!
Miami? Way too inexperienced
Clemson: Maybe if the FR QB plays a hell of a game against us.
USF? OVERRATED and they have a very erratic QB but a good front seven.
I’m sorry but because the teams are so flawed I have a very hard time seeing more than one loss.
I’ll be happy to drink the Kool-Aid looking at this schedule!
You are doing it wrong, nextlevel. I suggest you take a look at earlier posts on predicting season scores.
You need to sit down and give each game a percentage of how often FSU would win it and then get a score from that.
That being said, that schedule you are throwing away is the 2nd hardest in the nation. We would be extremely, extremely fortunate to go through ACC play unscathed.
A few quick counter-points:
-GT: No, we shouldn’t have won. They were averaging 8-9 yards a play before Nesbitt got hurt. We SHOULD have lost by double digits. That game should have never come down to the Sims fumble if we had properly defended the triple option. You really think we’re going to shut them down this year with our undersized DL? This is an extremely tough game, at least a coin flip (50/50)
-NC State: They are an extremely dangerous team, especially on offense. It is by no means a sure-win.
-Clemson: They are superb at home, and they will have one of the best defensive lines/defenses in the country. Plus, this is Spiller’s money year. I have us losing this game.
Disagree with GT
We were keeping them in check early and scoring with ease until the turnover on the slant route, and the insuing “scheme” from Mickey. We then went away for a while on offense and still almost came back in the end.
Their D is not that good on the line WHERE IT COUNTS. We should win this game or fire MA on the spot!
I would circle Miami (talent) USF Clemson (talent & potential Defense) and UNC (Dline)….I’m assuming a UF loss.
Of these I think we catch Miami too early for them, USF could get interesting but it’s in Tally, Clemson is a wait and see how good they really are, and UNC will need more than the Dline with the QB and best reciever gone.
Yeah, right!
You would think that after the ass kicking GT put up on half the ACC
They would get a little more respect.
I do not doubt we will be able to score a lot on GT, but I think they will be able to score on us. The game will be a shootout and it’s hard to predict who’s going to win those. I stand that it is a coin flip game. I honestly don’t think MA will have the triple option figured out. Hell, it’s been years and he can’t figure out the spread. He has already said the “two DL flop” technique wont be kept, which is nice.
I really think the GT game will come down to has the ball last....
I don’t think either defense can stop the other offense…
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1) This is a contact sport, injuries happen all the time. Its up to the team with the injury to recruit depth so there’s not that much drop off and its up to the opposing team to take advantage of it. If a corner back goes down andthe opposing team picks on him for the winning TD are you saying they shouldn’t have won? Injuries are no excuse. We should have won, simple as that.
2) I didn’t say NC State wasn’t dangerous but the game is in Tally, they don’t have Brown anymore and they are injured along the line. Not a good combo facing a FSU team bent on winning the ACC.
3) I agree on Clemson but which Clemson comes to play? How will that FR QB stand up to a better DL? They Noles are a little smaller than I like but just as fast as in years past. They have a good D STATISCALLY.
i agree with you nextlevel
i think when we meet up with UF it could possibly be a top 10 match up, i think your on point…the teams we’re playin we CAN beat, its just can we without beating ourselves?
There's no point in dragging it out. I will simply make the point I was trying to lead you to.
If you can’t blame your team’s situation on injuries then you can’t blame them on turnovers either. They are both a part of the game.
You argue that it is a team’s responsibility to ensure that an injury does not cause them to lose. That they should take of business elsewhere because injuries happen all the time and they must win games anyway.
Fumbles happen all the time as well! By your logic, the team did not sufficiently do what it needed to in other aspects of the game and allowed a single play to beat us.
You seem to be making the argument “GT should have handled the injury better but they didn’t so we should have won.” But you’re not allowing for the same argument from the other perspective, “We shouldn’t have let it come down to a last minute play but we did so GT should have won.” You are completely disregarding the other 59:30 of the game when you do that.
by MattDNole on Aug 20, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
First sentence should read:
“If you can’t blame your team’s situation on injuries then you can’t blame it on turnovers either.”
Exactly so we should have won the game except we didn’t execute at the end of the game. I don’t care how we got there, when we got there we should have executed.
Sims should've scored
To me and to most here, that doesn’t equate to “we should’ve won the game.” I’m looking at things independently of each other.
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because every time BB gets down inside in the RED zone
Hes going to do the same thing. He is going to call his plays and over ride JF. at least thats what I was though happened. I cant remember where I read it on this site or somewhere else.
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The previous 59:30 didn’t matter, It’s what happened in the last thirty seconds. Nothing else mattered in those Miami contests except those five seconds it took to kick that ball. It doesn’t matter how you get in a position to win a game, it really doesn’t. All that matters is that when you are in a position to win, you execute. We didn’t and we lost.
THEREFORE, we should have won the game.
Actually, it did matter
Bowden playing conservative leading up to that point that made us kick the field goal mattered.
The first play counts just as much as the last.
Past is past, present is present. We should have never been in the game but because we were we should have excuted. Good teams sometimes snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.
If past is past and present is present
then the only thing that matters is we lost. Fumbles happen at a greater rate than injuries so Sims’ fumble was even more a part of the game than Nesbitt’s injury. And if you can say we win if Sims doesn’t fumble then the argument that without Nesbitt’s injury we get crushed is equally as valid because both are games of what if. At least the fumble was caused by perfect defensive execution. The injury was pure luck.
by osceolafan850 on Aug 20, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
You are right...
I’m not advocation we should have won last year… I’m saying these are different teams this year…that’s what everyone seems to keep for getting about GT. We play this team with its virtually new lines on both sides!
Yeah, right!
You are contradicting yourself
You are saying I can’t use the injury as an excuse as to why it’s okay we lost, but then you’re saying we should have won because of the fumble.
Aren’t fumbles part of the game too? We lost the game. We got beat down to almost a first down per play when Nesbitt was in. I can’t believe you’re trying to seriously argue we should have won that game. Had we won that game it would have been the very definition of a “steal” – winning a game in which you were outplayed by pure good fortune, akin to Miami’s win against us in 07.
1) Football games don’t stop because you have an injury and the best team that plays the best doesn’t always win (look at us and Miami). Turnovers, injuries etc are all a part of the game.
2) Its comes down to when you put yourself in position to win, you have to execute. Its OUR fault we didn’t win that game.
3) Nesbitt’s injury had NOTHING to do with us scoring 28 points or us driving down to the one yard line did it?
If Nesbitt stays in that game, they might have put up 70 points....
Seriously. There’s even doubt if Sims would have made it in sans fumble…
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but
If Nesbitts stays in that game they had a chance to detroy us just like Sims had a chance and lost it. Its about the same thing isnt it.
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I can't say he might not have scored, but you can say the fumble lost us the game?!?
We did blow it, with a defensive scheme that had us playing dog pile on the center….
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I’m saying up to that point Nesbit was out the game and we were at the one. I can’t say for sure we would’ve won if he had scored but I KNOW all chance was gone when he fumbled.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 20, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
You're just stalling now.
You’d like to think that, wouldn’t you?
Technically
All chance was not gone when he fumbled. Rather, that happened when GT recovered the ball.
I think you are underselling USF significantly
Though Grothe can be irratic but only if we can apply presser (that’s a wait and see)
BYU is unravelling in the off season, so that’s not nearly as good a game as we all originally thought.
HOWEVER… I agree that we will be favored in most of our games by the time we play them….exception might be Clemson, will be UF.
Yeah, right!
It is not possible to undersell USF's OL though.
FSU fans of all people should know the importance of a good OL. USF’s OL is the poster child for lack of experience and talent. This situation is one classicly set up for what MA likes best: Rush 4 and get pressure and go man to man. FSU gets up early on the Bulls…Grothe gets rattled and starts taking risks and then it is all over. This game should not be much for Noles to worry about.
yeah i agree
not too much to worry about there and I dont think their D is really capable to stop us…….but who know this is considering that we play “balls to teh walls” as teh kids say
If you build it, they will come.
by stevegrizzle on Aug 20, 2009 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Make no mistake about it, we are going to lose to UF, I just don’t think MA has the answers for that power veer.
As far as USF goes, I don’t think Grothee has seen our speed (especially in the LB and secondary yet). This is a serious step up for USF. If JB was still here then they would have a 50-50 shot, but this team is too solid to lose to USF at home. The Noles will go undefeated at home this year. They are not ranked 16th in the country for nothing, the Noles are really solid despite obvious depth issues.
no it's a reply to nextlevel
We’ve been through this how many times about this schedule and the fact that we sure as hell should not have won the GT game, etc, etc.
Swagger, Intensity, Execution
so if someone thinks differently than you hes a troll.......
I dont get it, I mean I dont agree with him but can’t we all just get along? If we all agreed with eachother we’d be on WC or worse, canesfans
If you build it, they will come.
by stevegrizzle on Aug 20, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No
I absolutely respect differing opinions. He just continues with these undefeated predictions and doesn’t respond when people offer him logic to the contrary. It’s happened in several other threads. If he wants to believe things like that, then I’m all for it. But when he writes the hostile fanpost and then makes outlandish predictions in every thread, it almost doesn’t seem real.
Swagger, Intensity, Execution
You haven’t offered crap, Seeing how you like numbers so much here’s the main one to rebut your argument: GT 31 FSU 28. What’s your point?
I don't get it
How is bringing up the score of a game we lost rebutting an argument that we deserved to win the game? The same way we beat Miami much worse than the final score shows, Ga Tech beat us much worse than the score shows.
by osceolafan850 on Aug 20, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
If we would have not fumbled the previous beating we took for 2.5 quarters would not have mattered at all.
Amswer these questions:
1) What did Nesbitt’s injury have to do with them stopping our rushing attack?
2) What did his injury have to do with stopping our passing game?
3) What did Nesbitt’s injury have to do with us being at the one with thirty seconds to go in a 31-28 game?
1Nothing
2) Nothig
3) What did Nesbitt’s injury have to do with us being at the one with thirty seconds to go in a 31-28 game?
Everything.
The score wouldn’t have been 31-28. It would have been 38-21 or worse. We wouldn’t have had the ball back those times to score. We wouldn’t have held them to 31 points.
It's speculation Sims would have scored. Until he crosses the goal line, he is not in....
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but if they would've executed!
Then they would’ve scored…
I think that logic applies to both teams.
It’s like saying that the teams who scores more points will win. Can you guys start a thread to discuss this where I don’t have to read it? I really enjoy most (almost all, really) of the comments on TN, but this is just sad.
The counterargument
is based on reason and reasonable statistics:
Shaw: Freshman. Prior to FSU only played in three games (Jacksonville State, Mississippi State, Duke) . Saw no playing time against other major colleges on GT’s schedule, including BC, VT, Clemson, VA. This was his first opportunity against a major D1 school. After Nesbitt left the game, accumulated 5 yards rushing on 7 attempts, and was 0-1 passing with one INT.
Nesbitt: Sophomore. Prior to FSU started most of the games. Did not play against Duke or Gardner-Webb. Accumulated 463 yards passing in 6 games and 375 yards rushing at 3.99 YPC. Recorded these stats against such opponents as BC (50 yds rushing), VT (151 yds), and Clemson (77 yds). Prior to leaving the game, had 61 yards rushing on 4.4 YPC and was 4-5 passing for 55 yards and NO INTs. Simply put, he was shredding our defense the same way he did VT’s.
To say the drop off from Nesbitt to Shaw was substantial would be an understatement. Shaw was not ready to face a defense of our caliber. You are incorrect to simplify the argument that there was a substantial drop-off and that GT would have continued to produce at a higher level than they did sans Nesbitt injury to mere speculation.
You haven’t come up with NOTHING to backup anyything you state except for last year’s numbers which don’t mean anything this year. You’re just re-hashing what we already know happen and proving it with numbers that you really don’t even have a good grasp on at that.
You don’t respect differing opinions because I know you’re the Tally forum and most over there don’t know football. They get personal which exactly what you’re doing when they can’t win an argument. You need to go back over there and vent your fustrations.
And notice, I said it directly to you and not in some weak passive aggressive way.
Actually, past performance is a great predictor of future results.
by Bud Elliott on Aug 20, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Not really, I guess it depends on the subject matter and what you’re trying to prove. In football, you really can’t rely on numbers from last year as much as things change like improvement of the players, depth, change in philosophies etc.
Numbers are an excellent starting point for a serious discussion about football but not a good end point to base one’s argument on not unless we’re talking about numbers produced this season go forward to other games in the same year. But sometimes you can’t can’t predict week to week how a certain segment of your team will play as football is just as much emotion as execution.
I don't even know what the Tally forum is
I’m definitely not over there. The fact that you are the only one in the world to downplay how difficult our schedule is should be reason enough to take your opinions on it with a grain of salt, but I’ll let guys who can explain with numbers better than I tell you why past performance can certainly predict the next year’s performance.
Here’s something about not knowing football. We ought to re-think making Fisher HC if he can’t win 10 against this schedule? You obviously don’t grasp what he’s done for this program. Re-vamped recruiting, instituting modern practices, creating a whole new mentality around this program it desperately needed in a matter of 2 years. You really think we should look elsewhere if a team he doesn’t even control half of doesn’t win 10 games against a top 5 SOS by EVERYONE WHO RANKS IT? You are out of your mind. The direction of a football program can’t significantly change without a change at the top. Have you watched this team for the last 8 years? Do we all the games we’re supposed to win? Why will that change this year? Please enlighten us.
Swagger, Intensity, Execution
To build a little on the Fisher critique
You can’t judge him as a head coach yet because he’s not one; he’s still our OFFENSIVE coordinator. Sure he’s fought tooth and nail to get some control over the defensive coaches and the defensive recruiting, but this is not his team yet.
As an OFFENSIVE coordinator, he was named the ACC Offensive Coordinator of the year last year and has moved us back to the top offense in the conference. Oh yeah, he recruits his ass off too. I’d say he’s doing a damn good job in running this ship with a hand tied behind his back.
That is true so I’ll take back what I said about Fisher!
I stand corrected!
But there is no way the Noles should lose more than one game outside of UF with this schedule.
This is the new ACC
Right about now the talent gap between UNC, Ga Tech, FSU, Va Tech and Clemson is pretty much non-existent. If we make the ACCCG then we play play 4 games against some combination of teams from that group. Coming out of that 4-0 isn’t a slam dunk.
Even after another year or two of recruiting we still won’t have a major talent gap between the rest of the ACC. Unless Dabo falls completely on his face there is no reason for any team from that group to stop recruiting and Miami will have the experience to be added to that group. The days of FSU running the entire ACC out of the stadium are over.
by osceolafan850 on Aug 20, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Im not so sure about that.
I think FSU will go back up to the #1 spot and its going to be hard to touch us once we get there. If we can keep JF and Co as long as BB and his lackys then we might see a good 10 yr Strech where we are like the USC and the pack 10. The only Dif is the ACC has better all around team but still wont hang with us. We are and will out recruit other teams and than we will out play the other coaches.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
Don't see it happening.
We all know Miami is sitting on a gold mine of talent. Once they start winning they will recruit on the same level as us. People also often sleep on the amount of talent in the Mid Atlantic region. Va, NC and SC constantly pump out D1 talent. Butch Davis is without a doubt the best recruiter in the nation and is filling UNC with monster, no reason to think he will stop.
Clemson has the distinct advantage of being able to tap into the Mid Atlantic region and still get kids from GA since it is a short drive from home. Ga Tech is sitting on a gold mine as well, and since they will keep putting up points they will be able to pull more and more highly ranked kids. Va Tech has been just a step below elite for around a decade. No reason to think we will crush them year in and out either.
USC ruled the Pac 10 not because of their pure greatness, it was because the rest of the Pac 10 was horrible at recruiting. Cali is the only recruiting hotbed but only USC took advantage of it. The ACC’s recruiting footprint of Fla, Ga, Sc, Nc, and Va produces so much talent that the scholarship limits pretty much create competition and parity.
by osceolafan850 on Aug 20, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
(It is not parity Bobby it is a high school offense)!
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by DocHoliday2 on Aug 21, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
IfUF can be head and shoulder better than every other team in the mighty SEC...
FSU can surely do it in the ACC….
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For a year or two
It is possible for a short burst. A QB or two could go down or do something stupid like out at LSU. A coaching staff can implode like out at Auburn. But it isn’t sustainable, or even something you can plan. Even last year UF and Alabama weren’t that far apart. The injury bug also got roided up and crushed UGA. The stars have to align perfectly for the kind of run UF is on.
by osceolafan850 on Aug 20, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
again to you they dont me anything.
Im not a Stat guy but numbers they are what they are.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
Have you ever met a TRUE Packer or Badger Fan.
They will bett 100$ on a game they are odds to lose without a second though. because they love there team. I think this is what is going on here. I think Nextlvl isnt a Troll but love his team. I dont think he wants to look at the whole pic. Once the season gets going Im going to be more like him every week tell everyone FSU is going to beat the flavor of the week even UF becasueIm a fan and love FSU. Is it true No we will lose 3 games mostlikely hell most sports analyst think we go 8-5 to 10-3. and thats what they get paid for. I wish Nextlvl would look more into some of the Articals FSUn and the others right because I just think he hasnt gotten a lot of info yet. and see why most of TN think the way they do.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
I look at every site with thier take on the numbers but the fact is if the numbers can’t be replicated in the same scenarios then the numbers relevance only goes so far.
I’m not gung ho on the Noles because I love them, I’m gung ho on them because the others are just so flawed. Which why I don’t understand everyone’s preoccupation with GT, they lost the one thing that slowed us down, 3/4 of thier DL.
Delusional?
Seriously, the Noles are as flawed as half of the other teams in the ACC right now (maybe a slight exaggeration there).
To whoever was asking, I think that's how the troll debate sometimes gets started around here.
No one at TN minds disagreement at all. But if TN regulars have contributed volumes of commentary to a topic, then there should be no reason for the members to regurgitate their comments again. It’s all on the site. Nevermind the volumes of published articles on said topic. No one wants their work to be ignored, and every TN member, whether an author or just a regular guy who posts comments on topics that appeal to him, works hard to write thoughtful, researched analysis on this site, or else they won’t last long here. New info, fresh insight, etc., on any topic are welcomed, and you’ll always see Uncensored especially encourage it, even in the face of a deteriorating conversation. When one side of a debate stops citing fresh stats, research, etc., the accusation of trolling is valid. We don’t waste anyone’s time here. Come in, learn, teach, laugh, and have a good time. Don’t ignore or invalidate someone’s hard work. It’s how hundreds of folks who don’t know each other from Adam come off as a community of friends who’ve watched football together for years.
Comments like this
are why I, and I’m sure many others, are getting irritated with you. You pretend to want to talk until someone tells you something important.
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by CantwaitforJimbo on Aug 20, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
So true.
I can’t believe I had never been to this site before. What a GEM! It is like a breath of fresh air compared to the others. I think the articles are worthy of professional publication and it is all FREE? How sweet is that. Hope it never changes.
Welcome Egret. He was not referring to you. Stick around, I think you will like what you see.
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Give me the % that FSU wins each game please. Very interested in this.
by Bud Elliott on Aug 20, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I know you directed the question elswhere but...oooh fun!
FSU’s chance of winning
Miami 65%
Jacksonville 95%
BYU 75%
USF 55%
GT 60%
BC 80%
UNC 60%
NCState 70%
Clemson 60%
Wake Forest 55%
Maryland 70%
Florida 25%
Yeah, right!
We have a better chance of beating GT, NS State, or Clemson than USF?
I’m not so sure about that…
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more like
FSU’s chance of winning
Miami 70%
Jacksonville 95%
BYU 75%
USF 65%
GT 50%
BC 65%
UNC 60%
NCState 70%
Clemson 55%
Wake Forest 65%
Maryland 85%
Florida 40%
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by stevegrizzle on Aug 22, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
9/10 wins likely...........
what do you guys think about my projections?
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by stevegrizzle on Aug 22, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
So I have a question about this
does the chance of a teams % incress the more times we win.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
I'm already projecting my expectations into these numbers personally...
that’s why I like closer to 40% with UF.
Yeah, right!
Its based on how the season will progess IMO
I think the vegas line will have FSU between 3.5-7 thus %40
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by stevegrizzle on Aug 24, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
VS UF that is
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by stevegrizzle on Aug 24, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I cant agree with you on this.
GT? Lost way too much on defense and people think they are going to run the ball on us again like that? I don’t think so. And here’s something everyone seems to forget: WE SHOULD HAVE WON THAT GAME.
Maybe Im lost but how we stayed in that game I still dont know. If you want to say that Sims should have held on then thats the wrong anwser. BB should not have changes the play to give the ball to sims in the first place. every coach in the ACC knows short and goal BB is going to call the same plays. Its like watching Rick Flair vs Sting. As for this year We still dont have the anwser to stop the Run. MA has a huge problem VS Running QB. Im not saying we dont win because It think we do but Its going to be Who can just outscore the other like a Big-12 match up.
BYU I think is a Joke but at the same time we all thought Utah was a joke last year. Bama found out the hard way.
NCST again the threat of a running QB. I again think we win but hes going to expose our Def the same way Ponder did to miami last year.
Miami might be too inexperienced but at the same time so are we. Miami has more talent on there team than a lot of people think. They are loaded and spilling over. They could beat teams (maybe not us) next year on talent alone.
As for Clemson yes they have a FR QB and pos a top 5 Def in the nation and a first round Draft RB. They are in the same shape as miami but Dabo knows how to use what his momma gave him.
USF has a good QB and thats right hes a runner. He played down in Lakeland area. To be a QB down there you have to be good and tough. Thats what he is.
You know FSU has its flaws too. The Def. Yes our offense will rock and be one of the best in the counrty but our Def will not be. We have not beef in the D-line and though the LB are fast they are small. The secondary is 50% good and the other 50% is ????able. Spread teams will hurt us and Power running teams with hurt us. The only think FSU Def should be able to stop are Pro-style Offenses thins year and all the ACC knows this and will have something for us.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
I think some of the problem is
that for the past several years FSU hasn’t played to its potential. To a degree we have played to the level of our competition. The UAB, Troy, and Citadel games spring to mind.
GT lost way too much? They’ve got like 17-18 returning. If they lost too much what did we lose?
Kudos by the way for offering a different opinion than the norm here. Group think tends to occur naturally and no one here wants that.
They do have to replace 3 guys that are in the NFL right now on the DL...
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Early indicator: BYU has the same OL issues as USF......
If FSU’s D can manhandle BYU’s rookie OL and keep giving FSU’s offense the short field then we will have a pretty good idea how the game against USF should go. USF’s opening cupcake schedule will do more harm to them than good.
USF is a team that FSU should, if given the opportunity, put a Mike Tyson style BEATDOWN on. Their coaches have been telling their players, fans, and the media that FSU has been “scared” to play them.
That would be ok…if USF weren’t located in the state of Florida. FSU has the chance to set them back a few years in a matter of 4 quarters. Even a close game by USF is a victory for them, and helps them in recruiting. FSU really has no other “upside” to this game other than a total obliteration of USF.
Good observations
It’s kind of tough to choose between the two schools of thought on the easy early schedule played by some teams. There’s what happened to us last year, when we got drilled by Wake, and then there’s the argument that it keeps your guys healthier and lets you work on your game situations before you play on that counts, i.e. what UF does every year. The USF game is huge for our program in both the short and long term.
Swagger, Intensity, Execution
I look at it like this...
You can get players injured aganist cupcakes just easily as you can against quality opponents. It is just that a team nornally has its starters out of the game vs. a cupcake limiting the opportunity for them to get injured. But the downside is larger: The chance for injury is still present in a basically “throw away game”. Also, by limiting the amount of time the 1rst string plays the less cohesion they have and less time to “jell” as a unit or learn to overcome adversity.
I guess a team can build some confidence by beating the crap out of some patsies….but when they then go up against a real opponent….especially a team that they will face in FSU…..well Mike Tyson said it best, “Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth’” or something like that.
I agree in that teams are better down the line for playing a tougher early schedule
Swagger, Intensity, Execution
well I think there is a big upside to this game
I think it helps set up for a 2011-12 NC run. And here is why. Our SOS is a great one. We play teams that are just good enought to be in the top 50 but bad enought that even without a Def we should win other than UF. Lets say We can go 9-3 and win the OB that will set up next year with a pos top 15 start most likely around 10-13 right If we get a 10-2 and an OB win we could even be a top 10 team to start off. The voters keep us Ranked higher and all we ahve to do is go 10-2 or 11-1 and get to the top 5 right. Then when Our D-line and secondary is what it is and EJ is running the #1 offense in the country whats going to stop us. If we lose there games its going to hurt us more in 2011-12 I think when we try for our NC run.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
Ouch...
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
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Way too early to complain
We have no idea what can happen between now and then. Stoops could be in the NFL. Meyer could be in at ND. Our new staff could land us two #1 rated classes in a row like Saban brought to Alabama. We should be much better in 2011 than we are today.
by osceolafan850 on Aug 21, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
The Tallahassee Democrat clerk typing pool strikes again
LOL Go gators!
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