Realistic Expectations For Season Opener With Miami
by stevegrizzle on Aug 2, 2009 8:02 AM EDT
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PrintSo I have been sitting here reading all the prognostications from the ESPN blogs and it seems that a lot of people have the Labor Day game as a nail biter. Also it seems Vegas has it as a close one too (Heard it was somewhere in the range of FSU -3.5)
I know the history of the FSU/UM Labor Day games as sloppy, defensive, closely played games but for some reason I have this year pegged to be different. I foresee a 2-3 TD victory.
Why?
1) Our Oline will be ready in game 1, theirs is a big question. I base this one the fact that we are returning 5 starters and of course you cannot deny the record of a certain R. Trickett.
2) Miami has a new OC, and while they have many weapons on O they will not have much time to put it toghether for us.
3) I do not think our D will be much worse, if at all, than they finished off last year. To add to that I think our running game will keep the ball in our hands much of the game.
4) 1st half of last years game.
Agree/Disagree?
This is my first post so admittedly most if not all of this in not based on statics or anything else but pure memory.
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I really wish I had the same optimism as you on this game but I think it could go either way. Although they are bringing in a new OC, he brings a pretty good track record with him and considering the talent he will be inheriting at Miami, this team could look nothing like the Nix offense of last year. If Miami even gets marginally better than last year, which should be expected, they will bring a much more potent offense to Tallahassee. Whipple has the luxury of knowing our D’s weaknesses due to the fact we have run the same type defense for a long time and our DC tendencies\weaknesses have not changed over that time.
As for our offense against their defense, i think it depends solely on our WR play. If they are a non-factor and UM can stack the box, be prepared for a long day. However, if our running game is as strong as expected perhaps we can run even in a stacked box.
I hope you are right but honestly, FSU/UM is a game that could seemingly go either way.
Stack the box That would be a bad idea.
Our WR will be at the game. I would love to see a team stack the box vs Jimbo and the Offense. Ill take Bubble screens, slants and a running pocket. Ponders legs will be strong and miami dont want to forget his speed.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
Would you really want to rely on bubble screens that much?
Think of the UF game this past year, our misdirection vs surprisingly their run it right down your throat style (which UM favors). Misdirection takes too many things to happen to break it long where as straight at you proves the old geometry theorem of the shortest path between two points is a straight line. Add in the fact of weather and just like in the UF game, misdirection becomes almost useless. If we get a downpour, which is probably about 70% chance right now with the weather the way its been, then our speed will be a non-factor.
I do however agree with you whole heartedly on the Ponder factor. After watching the game against UM again the other night I noticed one glaring problem they had against use….no answer for Ponder scrambling. Even after halftime, after they made adjustments, the only reason Ponder did not continue to burn them relentlessly was our change in game plan. Ponder still helped to win that game more than any other player……to me.
More of a situational tool than a game plan
That is, burn them on a play with it and keep them honest the rest of the game.
This year they are going to try to stop ponder first.
I say we take a play strait from UF. That fake draw Tebow runs then sets back and passes a slant or some other pass. They are going to try to focus on him so use him as the decoy. I know that sounds like playing with fire but I think it can work. I dont think the bubble is the only play we run but if they give it to us then we take it. If they load the box and man up we have reed outside fake a crack and run a go/out and use his speed.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
Desman or anyone
do you think Ponder is a better, equal or worse passer than Tebow?
by PeachTreeNole on Aug 4, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate to say it but Tebow is a great QB
a lot of people think hes not going to make it in the NFL but Im one of the few that think hes going to be a monster but only if he goes to the right team. If he goes to the raders hes screwed but send him to the patriots and in a few years when Peyton retiers and he takes over he could be the man.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
Tebow had a hard time passing his SAT
He may be able to throw quick slants, and bubble screens in the college football arena, but once he enters the NFL, his lack of a brain will severely hinder him. Defenses are much more complex, and quicker to adjust in the NFL, and Tebow will not all of a sudden become intelligent. He will always be strong like bull, but never smart as a fox. Coach Irving Meyers has put in an offense that I think takes away from the building process of future NFL stars. His misdirection high school playbook is great in college football as far as winning games goes, but I wouldn’t expect many NFL stars to come from his programs. Think, Alex Smith, Chris Leak.
Let’s not forget that Ponder rushed for I believe 144 yds last year, against the UM cover 2. And I do not know if they’ve changed out of that, or if they will just for Ponder, but if they haven’t checked their ego’s and stay in a cover 2, look for Ponder to have some more nice runs. I feel as if our O-line will have a great season, and hopefully can start it out right by smashing UM helmets all game long, allowing our pack of RBs to dart, and smash up and down the field. I cannot wait for this game, and I only wish it wasn’t scheduled on a Monday night, disallowing many of my friends to come due to jobs. Get rid of this monday night game please.
I want Tebow to lose as much as the next guy...
but a correlation between SAT and the football seems like a stretch to me. Some of the dumbest people I know scored well on their SAT….virtually no common sense.
Fair enough they have talent
but do you really think they can get it all to get in game 1 under the new OC?
Who was the last OC to come in and have a solid offense in the first season, not to mention the first game. Honestly I know very little about Whipple but it seems like a daunting task.
Agree on D weaknesses
I totally agree there that they have a good idea of what we might be bringing to the table D wise. IMO this years D minus the two big names EB and MR will be better and I even think we will be better @ CB. I may just be dreaming but I think last years D was slightly above average and this years will not be phenomenal but it will be better.
This year it is to our advantage to play Miami early...
We got lucky with this one…
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As NaGANole said, playing UM early is to our advantage, this year especially. At first I was against it due to previous years early game experiences, but quickly changed my mind. Why?
Because on top of having a new OC in MR Whipple, they also have a new DC in John Lovett. Lovett has many years of coaching exp and a few years as a DC, but I do not think he was the best choice. UM does have a bunch of returning players on D (and O) but I think the 2 new coordinators in their first game against us, on national TV, will give us a big advantage, as long as our players perform as they should.
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Thanks FrankD
And that is the reasoning for my thinking that it will be a big win, the new Coordinators…..
Anyone want to take a stab at the score. I figure that I might as well so I can go back and see how close / far was was from being correct.
FSU 34 UM 20
by stevegrizzle on Aug 2, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
FSU 34 I like
UM I dont see scoreing more than 17 and thats pushing it. I think some people forget something about UM. They still dont run the spread. They dont have a running QB and they dont have a passing game that we need to fear right from the start. If they try to turn into the spread they would have problems with us bing the first game. MA might not be the great mind he use to be but he still knows a thing or 2 about stoping a pro-style Def. I think we shut them down early and keep them out of the game. Jimbo shows the ACC we are back and we are stronger.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
I think we are the better team
But that Miami will exploit some of our defensive weaknesses to keep the game close and maybe win.
With a real offensive coaching staff, Miami will be sure to work in those simple misdirection plays that tend to go for TDs against us. They’ll also run a trick play to Travis Benjamin that I’m sure will catch us totally off guard.
After watching last year's replay of our defensive performance against UM
I see no reason for the Canes to run any “normal direction” plays against us.
Good Point
I vividly remember how bad our D was on the misdirection plays last season…………But I have to think after being exploited so badly on them that they must be a major them in the offseason. OR AT LEAST I HOPE THEY ARE!!
Also, with a new OC how effectively can they execute and sell the misdirection plays??
I think you guys have some valid points, dont get me wrong…… It just seems like the new OC will be asking a lot of his guys to run trick plays and execute well…….Could go either way I guess, either turnovers or big plays. I guess we have to wait until sept 7th to find out.
Anyone else want to take a shot at guessing the score?
they have to find our weeknesses first.
We realy dont know what they are. Most think its the secondary some think its the D-line and few think its the LB. What is FSU’s weekness. Do we have one. Is it still the TE and Running Qbs or is it somthing else more. Thats the trick. Jimbo keeps the Offences on the field thats less time to find out. I think we should do what WF did to us last year right off the bat. Worth a shot.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
Unfortunately, I think it will look very familiar
Miami is a talented team on D, and they’ll load the box to stop the run. These green receivers will be seeing their first live game action in prime time against Miami. There are going to be plenty of mistakes. I don’t expect it to be high scoring, and I don’t think we’ll win big. it’ll be close and the final score will resemble the other Labor Day games, IMO.
They aren't really that green in big games
Our top 3 receivers (Easterling, Fortson and Reed) all played against UF last season. Easterling and Reed played against Miami, VT, GT, Clemson and they both played well in all of those games. Obviously our receivers are a lot less experienced than a year ago but we return some competitive guys that didn’t seem to shy away from any type of spot light last season.
Fortson played in Joe Robbie, too.
Ponder chucked a deep ball down the left sideline, but Jarmon was underthrown and got mugged while airing for the football. I bet he won’t be intimidated by UM’s secondary, either.
by The K-Man on Aug 2, 2009 3:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
in my opinion
if we run the ball the way we could/should, our recievers make big plays (which i think they will) and our defense plays like a florida state defense should, we sould come out with a win….people are so down on our recievers, but i expect them to make big plays, i think bert will have a good game (maybe around 6 catches, decent amount of yardage and a touchdown) and defensivley people are doubting us…but all ima say is as long as nigel bradham is on the feild defensively?…im not worried.
score prediction? not tryin to be a homer haha but like you said steve, 34-20ish sounds like a reasonable outcome.
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Thanks for the opinions guys
I also don’t think we will be as green at WR as some may think. And I think to add to that Ponder will be much improved as per Fishers comments……..He wasn’t so upbeat about Ponder last year. Also I think its very possible that we could see some designed plays for EJ. Last but not least Miami’s run D was bad last year and I don’t see it being a whole lot better with a new DC in the first game………
Its inevitable to have some bias but it seems reasonable that we could control the game if things go our way.
Those 3 WR’s also played in the Bowl game as well right?
Yep they sure did
A lot of our receivers got receptions in that game.
Exactly my thoughts. UM has too much new stuff going on to go into a major rivalry game right off the bat.
I think if we had them later in the year theyd have a better shot, and im not saying the game will be one sided, but if we play like we should this should be all us.
Not drinking the Whipple Kool Aid
I just don’t see this guy as an offensive mastermind after he languished at QB coach for a team who already had an entrenched star QB, and he rung up a lot of points in Div II ball. He may turn out to be a solid OC, and may have them on solid ground by the end of the year, but I see no reason for him to have them ready to go in week 1. Especially with a QB who doesn’t have a season’s worth of starts under his belt.
I just think we need to take care of the ball on offense and we will be fine.
I was going to post something to this effect yesterday.
I just dont see UM pulling it out with little time to learn the new offense. 2 years ago when we implemented Jimbos offense we had to grow into it and I think that Miami will have to do the same with their new OC.
Honestly with our stellar line and ground game i think we can make it. Our passing game has a bit to be desired but its not like were terrible or anything. Combine Reed, goodman, and some of the other speedsters with the hopeful return of easterling and were actually not looking at a half bad offense.
I think we get it done in Doak.
Whipple
Does anyone have and links as to what Whipple has done previously? I literally know nothing about him.
I agree we get it done....
but I don’t thing our situation is the same. Miami has a head coach, therefore they are not going into everygame a coach down like we were/are.
Jimbo is wearing all the hats right now.
High scoring.
I think each defense gets gashed by the opposing offense.
The determining factor is whether Bobby will continue to follow his “strategy” since about 1987 and “shut down our offense so as not to make mistakes and make them beat our defense,” once we get the lead late in the game.
If Jimbo is truly calling the shots, we win.
If not, it’s miami’s turn.
Miami is very talented
an their offense was not the problem- it was their defense. Look it up. Their offense was much better than their defense.
I think we win, but it will be high scoring and close. We do not have a major talent advantage here.
31-24, maybe 37-30 type game.
But its their first game with a new OC
Is there any new OC in history that was in a similar situation (I.E. Rivalry Natl TV game off the bat) and succeeded. I’m not saying it necessarily matters since the past plays no role in the future but it seems like relevant info.
As long as we pull of a win I’m happy. It might even be in our favor to win a close one rather than blowing them out of the water, because as we well know the media will not necessarily give us credit for a blowup and chalk it up to Mia not being ready….etc.
How long did it take Paul Johnson to put in a novel offense?
nm
by PeachTreeNole on Aug 3, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
My point also (posted earlier)
Bama and GT had immediate turnarounds, so we can’t assume that because our progress was slower, miami’s will be also.
Didnt we beat Bama when we were both in out 1st year OC's
I’d like to not think about GT (ouch)
But, point taken……..
by stevegrizzle on Aug 3, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Gt played a warmup Team 1st last YR then only put up 20 v BC
August 28 Jacksonville State W 41-14 1-0 (0-0)
September 6 at Boston College W 19-16 2-0 (1-0)
September 13 at Virginia Tech L 20-17 2-1 (1-1)
by stevegrizzle on Aug 3, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
We played far fafr below average against BC
Aside from them having a great defense, our offense didn’t execute and we were short handed. Our defense was also RUN OVER in that game and forced our offense to be one dimensional.
BC had a top 5 defense nationally with three 1st round defender types
Obviously one got hurt before the draft and one now has cancer, but BC was amazing on defense.
I understand and agree.
My intial argument was just to say that we don’t really know what miami’s going to look like. We don’t have a talent advantage.
If Whipple’s running a pro style O (no real deviation from last year), then I think it is fairly reasonable to think they will be able to execute it decently. Comparing miami’s situation to ours is apples and oranges. They have a working head coach.
While the comparisons to GT may not be spot on, I think they exceeded expectations as far as grasping the offense (which was the argument initially). Whether they won or lost is irrelevant, as is how many points they put up on BC. They were greatly improved, and as we know, BC had an excellent defense.
Ding Ding Ding
Comparing miami’s situation to ours is apples and oranges. They have a working head coach.
I just wish he was a d-bag like meyer. It would make him easier to hate. However, Shannon seems like like a good, likeable guy.
I know what you mean.
I feel like I should pull for him every game (but 1).
But the miami fans keep me from it. :)
by PeachTreeNole on Aug 3, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
but we have the apples and they lost there oranges.
Im getting into that fan mode where I start thinking FSU is unbeatable. I know its whong but Im getting those gut felling. I dont think Mimai has that great talent like they use to
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
Bama's turnaround
wasn’t SO immediate, didn’t really click until the second season (also had favorable offensive line talent in place already). GT’s offense is an unconventional one in the world of major college football, one that defenses did not know how to prepare for. If i’m not mistaken, Whipple runs a pro style offense (something MA has never had a problem dealing with before). Jacory Harris has a weak arm and a poorly conditioned and untalented offensive line in front of him (that takes away the deep pass immediately). He also isn’t very fast . . . in fact you could argue that he’s slow which would take away another problem we typically have, the running QB. Harris also weighs 180 lbs 190 at the very most. Not that i’m hoping that he gets hurt but he’s outweighed by 40-115 lbs by everyone in our front 7. There’s high probability that he gets pretty banged up.
agreed, but Bama's turnaround was significant.
Undefeated until the SEC champ game.
The difference: Saban was able to bring in his entire staff.
Ironically the fans that are complaining about the slow turnaround compared to Bama’s are the same fans that want to keep the old regime in tact.
I don't buy the Harris arm strength thing.
I think he has enough arm, and he has been pretty accurate.
Which is why I hate playing them 1st............
Doesn’t help us in rankings if we win even if we win big, and if they excel later in the season noone remembers/ give us credit.
I don't think their offense will miss a beat
They were already a decent offense (4th/5th/6th in conference)
and their defense was 10th/11th/12th range. They bring almost everyone back and are loaded. We do not have a talent advantage in my opinion.
I LOVE playing them first this year because we will probably roll more on offense and our defense should be the healthiest it will be all season.
Miami is probably 2-2/ 1-3 through their first 4 games, and 71/ 6-2 in their last 8, so we will get a boost there. Oh, and it’s National TV. The ACC doesn’t get those anymore, and we need them badly.
Well if this weather keeps up in Tally
our practice time is going to be cut also, so it might not matter about their new coordinators.
One thing we should keep in mind
Is the sheer amount of crazy stuff that seems to happen in FSU/Miami games. As long as we are snapping balls off up-back’s helmets, I will never feel confident.
Look at Drew's stats from the 2005 Opener.
7 for 24, 84 yards and 2 picks. On paper, should those stats win a game? They did.
The game is unpredictable no matter who seems to have an advantage. We should be on a 4 year win streak, the 2007 game was ridiculous. Miami was terrible that year, going 5-7, yet managed to beat FSU.
Exactly
Which is why I have no feeling we will definitely win. Mickey got owned by a backup quarterback who was considered the worst in the ACC when he was forced to start. What he’s facing now will be much better. They will move the ball at will most of the time. Hopefully Christian can do the same. If we just had a real head coach and a defensive coach with any semblance of a clue about how offenses work now and how to develop talent, I would have no doubt we win this one with the exact same players. Except for their DC (who hasn’t proven anything unlike the OC), Miami has that now. My score prediction is 35-31 FSU, but Miami will look better to those watching just like in the 90s when they’d win close games against us even though we looked better. This time it will be reversed.
It was long ago and it's far away but it was so much better than it is today--Meatloaf
by CantwaitforJimbo on Aug 3, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
There is a pattern to that if you look for it.
I’ve been watching this series since 1985. Last time I did the calculation, I determined that Bowden lost to miami 60% of the time during the dynasty years.
If we back out miami’s sanction years (and it’s fair to do so since they were dinged for Pell Grant misuse and not recruiting violations that gave them some advantage on the field), then his winning percentage against miami gets even worse. We lost during years we were supposed to have had more mature talent and they were the ‘dog, and included in that were times we weren’t even competitve (1988).
The years we did win as we were “supposed to”, these were close games. Conversely, when we were the dog, we lost like a dog.
Now, this same pattern existed through multiple miami head coaches- Schellenberger, Johnson Erickson. After their probation, when they were able to recruit fully, Butch Davis started the pattern again (remember how close the 1999 games was when they were still young and a decided underdog? recall what happened in 2000 with our Hiesman QB?)
The one constant in all of this was Bobby Bowden, and his approach to the miami games. Miami’s multiple coaches would cnostantly go for the jugular; ours would get a lead against them, then play scared.
In light of all that, 2007 was not the abherration some think it was.
Now that Jimbo’s entrenched (and, hopefully, calling the offensive shots), the pattern of “unpredictable” and “close” games should end.
At least I hope so.
by PeachTreeNole on Aug 4, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
That is a very good analogy and I agree with it
BB has always played scared.
This season however i don’t think Miami may be able to stop our running game even stacking the box. I would like to see a few time consuming drives for scores before Miami even has a chance to adjust to what is going on. I believe FSU could win this one by three touchdoowns. FSU needs to come right out of the box with sustained drives.
As someone mentioned what happened last year in the second half was it started raining and that is not good for your quickness factor in zone blocking. It was the same with Florida. I hope it does not rain during this game.
Bear in mind before the rain it was something like 27-3 FSU at the half. Our special teams almost killed us that game also. I have never seen anything like that.
Jacory Harris is a fairly composed little quarterback however with some talent.
I agree with FSUn FSU does not have an overall talent advantage but does have one where it counts and that is the offensive line.
I have got believe we do something different in this one and win by at least 14.
BB has played scared for almost 20 years.
Going for 2 against UM in 87…
Going for it on 4th and long against Nebraska (McManus to Ronnie Lewis)
Puntrooskie from your own 20 on 4th down of tied game…
Bobby hasn’t always played scared, just for the past 20 years.
Can anybody identify when the Mike Martin-esque “play not to lose” instincts started?
My guess: The failed fumblerooskie against Auburn.
I think so (AU game).
It was a weak tactical choice— bad field position, an obviously desparate situation, slow to develop, and they were looking for it. Even I, in TV Land, was not surposed at all by that play— just disappointed that was the best we could come up with. All their tackle had to do was fall on the ball.
Soon after that, he started saying publicly that we had enough talent now that we didn’t need to trick plays anymore.
by PeachTreeNole on Aug 4, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
my co-worker was on that AU defense
He says they rehearsed that exact play during practice leading up to the game, and nobody was surprised by it.
Frank, you could almost make a poll about “games Bobby squandered vs. Miami by not going for the jugular”
by The K-Man on Aug 5, 2009 2:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The research, the investment in time to put together, the poll with 15 possible answers, the reoccurance of my nightmares, the need to get new scripts for Prozac, Wellbutrin, and Zoloft,
it all just doesn’t seem worth it to me.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
Agreed
entirely and in detail. But that particular play surprised no one.
by PeachTreeNole on Aug 5, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, and we went for the kill last year
Play-action out of our own endzone
Throwing for 3rd and 23
Double reverses on and and 2
I am putting hope in Jimbo that with yet another year of better coaching comes less comical errors.
I still have nightmares about Chris Rix fumbling the shotgun snap late in the game against UM and then FAILING to recover his fumble when practically no one was around… I mean, he had a lot of recovery time for that ball…
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I dont think our Offense is going to lose the game
If FSU is going to lose its because of the DEF. hands down. But I dont think that will happen because we will just out score Miami
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
I am not talking about trick plays on going for it on fourth down
I am talking about acquiring sizeable leads and toning the offense down, trying to sit on a lead, trying to hold on to the football instead of going for the jugular.
I think Jimbo sits on his lead but only after he is 3-4 TD ahead.
Jimbo seams like the type that wont let up tell he know hes won. Trickett wont let the o-line let up tell the 30 min after the game is over. Im all for going for the jugular and when we play WF its going to be like the UGA vs UF game a few years back when UGA ran onto the field.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
I don't think we should give WF that much credit by rushing the field.
The lesser team (David if you will) is the team that storms the field after beating Goliath.
How many touchdowns does Goliath have against David in the last 3 years
I don’t think we should rush the field after the game. I’m usually against running up the score cough.. cough.. cough.. SEC. but if we “can” run up the score on this one have at it. UGA didn’t storm the field after the game. They did it in the first quarter to say “We aren’t taking your sHi@ anymore” which FSU could learn a few things from that.
What is the deal with Goodman????
Does anyone know whether or not he is serving a suspension or he will be playing in the MIA game????
Have heard different things from different places…………
Do you have a reliable source or reason for think what you do?
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answered
its a yes
Espn do you think maybe we could get someone to cover the ACC that wears big boy pants?
TEBOW IS A GAY ROBOT
I am usually unsure about opening with Miami
There always seems to be the propensity for the amazing to happen.
This year however I think Da U had better be back because FSU is. I don’t think they are going to find a nervous unsure FSU team.
I expect to see the pass protection Fisher and Trickett have been talking about and Ponder throwing strikes. I hope they do load up the box because if we can pass block Ponder will burn them.
I am not sure they can handle our zone blocking scheme too well either our running game just may burn them. We have plenty of backs on hand. We are significantly upgraded as opposed for them only having to worry about Antone Smith.
If FSU can stop Miami and take in for the first two scores I think they might just fall apart.
I dont think its the offense that wehave to worry about..........
Which I am sure you are well aware of. The question is can we stop them and how well can they be put together in the 1st game under a new OC. According to the UM fans they are unstoppable, just like we think about our offense……..Although I do give our fans the edge in at least knowoing that were drinking the KOOOL AID, so that could be the difference?
I still think we win by 14-21
Espn do you think maybe we could get someone to cover the ACC that wears big boy pants?
TEBOW IS A GAY ROBOT
It's imperative that we crush the Canes.
If the Canes start 0-4, I can only imagine the turmoil down here in Miami. The fans in South Florida are so fickle. Randy Shannon is going to have hell. With a loss to North Carolina, they have five losses. That will be horrible for Miami recruiting wise.
Just wants to beat the Gators
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