Progression, Continuation, or Regression? Noles Defensive Secondary
by FrankDNole on Aug 2, 2009 11:06 PM EDT
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Every day while catching up on my daily Nole must reads, I very often wonder to myself, "Are my 2009 Noles going to be better than last year’s team?"
So far we have analyzed, discussed, and you have voted on whether the Defensive Line, and the Receivers and Tight End will be better, the same, or worse than last years equivalent unit. Today we will take a look at the Defensive Secondary to determine if this unit has progressed, remains stagnant, or has regressed, in comparison to last years secondary unit.
Mickey Andrews’ secondary lost two solid players with the departures of cornerback Tony Carter and rover Myron Rolle who combined to start 85 games during their careers at FSU. In 2008, this secondary was the 6th best passing defense in the nation.
The two senior starters that return in this position group are cornerback Patrick Robinson and safety Jamie Robinson, who are expected to be the veteran leaders in the secondary.
Patrick Robinson will be looking to add to his seven career interceptions, six of which came in 2007. Outside of Patrick Robinson, the current Seminole secondary has combined for ONLY one career interception, that coming from Jamie Robinson. All last year the entire FSU defense combined for only 9 interceptions, and only one was returned for a touchdown which was Neefy Moffett’s exhausting rumble and tumble of 18 yards. Of those 9 interceptions, only 6 picks were made by secondary players.
Tony Carter-2
Jaime Robinson-1
Patrick Robinson-1
This season, there will be some familiar faces, but in different places, as former cornerback Korey Mangum will move to rover to get the first crack at replacing Myron Rolle, and former cornerback Terrance Parks has been working at both rover and safety.
To his credit, Mickey Andrews realized that we had a problem in the secondary, and that problem would have continued to exist with the players remaining on the roster. The coaching staff did some very good recruiting and brought in some talented youngsters to beef up the secondary. The new players expected to compete, or at least push the veterans on the practice field, include Greg Reid and Xavier Rhodes at corners, and Gerald Demps, Jajuan Harley, and Justin Bright at safeties. However, do not be too surprised if there are some changes made as to what position these players actually line up at.
The two cornerback positions are known as the FCB and BCB. For those who may not be familiar with the difference between these two, here is a easy way to remember courtesy of FSUn. The BCB is boundary corner, who typically plays the short side of the field all alone, while the FCB is the field side (wide side), and who typically gets help from the safety.
The competition at the field corner position between Ochuko Jenije and Dionte Allen should intensify with the arrival of Greg Reid. FSUncensored projects Reid surpassing Allen as Jenije’s backup almost immediately, and many feel he could possibly be in the starting lineup very quickly.
Now let’s take a look last years starters and this years projected secondary.
2008 FCB=Tony Carter started all 13 games and he is gone. Carter=25 Tot Tck, 2 Tck for loss, 2 int, 4 passes broken up, and 1 FR.
2009 PROJECTED FCB=Ochuko Jenije, Greg Reid, and Dionte Allen
2008 BCB=Korey Mangum started 5 of the first 6 games, then Patrick Robinson started the last 7 games for 8 total starts.
2009 PROJECTED BCB=Patrick Robinson and A J Alexander
2008 ROVER=Myron Rolle started 12 games and Kenny Ingram started the one against MD when Rolle was interviewing for the Rhodes. As previously stated, Rolleis gone and so is Ingram (Tot Tck=22, 3.5 Tck for loss, Sck=1, Int=1, PBU=5)
2009 PROJECTED ROVER=Korey Mangum, Nick Moody, and Terrance Parks
2008 SAFETY=Darius McClure started 7 and Jamie Robinson started 6. McClure (Tot tck=25, 1.5 Tck for loss, 1 Int, and 1 PBU) is gone.
2009 PROJECTED SAFETY=Jamie Robinson and Terrance Park
OTHERS WHO CONTRIBUTED IN 2008 AND ARE NOW GONE=Michael Ray Garvin, Rod Roberts, Roosevelt Lawson.
OTHERS WHO MAY CONTRIBUTE IN 2009=Many expect Greg Reid to make a immediated impact. Also, Xavier Rhodes, Gerald Demps, Jajuan Harley, and Justin Bright. These players have all been discussed in depth here at TN, so I will not discuss their upsides or weaknesses in this story.
So there you have it. The biggest question I have is not if Carter and Rolle can be replaced as defensive backs, but rather who will fill Rolle's shoes in run support. Rolle, while in my opinion was just average in his pass coverage ability, he was very good in run support and a tackling machine. Rolle was second on the team in unassisted tackles with 40, and only Derek Nicholson's 44 solo's were better, and Rolle was third on the team in total tackles with 62. Even though I said I considered him just average in his ability to cover, he was second on the team with 5 passes broken up behind Korey Mangum's 7.
If I were to compare and rate each of the positions individually, I would rate them something like this.
FCB=STAGNATION only because Reid is expected to be taking over soon. Otherwise, I would have said REGRESSION because the experience and leadership Carter provided will be missed, and while he was not Mr. Interception, he was a dependable and a very serviceable corner.
BCB=PROGRESSION. I expect Patrick Robinson to be avoided by the opposing teams QB and I believe he will regain his 2007 form and numbers.
ROVER=REGRESSION. Even though I should rate this position on coverage ability only, I can not help but feel that Rolle's run support will be missed terribly. Our rover has traditionally been our last line of defense on break away runs. Hopefully the LB corp be better equipped to stop the run, and that will depend on if the defensive line does a better job of freeing them up. However the LB play will be discussed in the near future and the D-Line has already been covered. This is the secondary position that concerns me the most, especially when you factor in the loss of Ingram.
SAFETY=STAGNANT.
Therefore as of today, based on my averages of the 4 positions for this unit,
MY BOTTOM LINE FOR THE SECONDARY=STAGNATION.
What is your bottom line? Please vote now.
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Sad.
Tony Carter-2 – Miami, Miami
Kenny Ingram-1 – Maryland
Darius McClure-1 – Boston College
Jaime Robinson-1 – Colorado
Patrick Robinson-1 – Georgia Tech
I didn’t even have to think for more than 5 seconds to recall when each of these interceptions took place. I saw all of them personally except for Patrick’s at GT (where he missed a potential 95-yard pick-6 in the 1st quarter)
Nicky Moody: Please get healthy and light people up.
Agreed on Nick Moody
IMHO it has to be either he or Terrence Parks starting at Rover because I just don’t feel like Korey Mangum has it in him. I could be wrong, but i’d feel a great great deal more confident if either Moody or Parks were back there.
I tend to disagree.
Mangum played in all 13 games last year, started in 5, and has participated in 35 games during his career. He was PRob’s backup at BCB and really improved. Of course whether he can make the move to rover remains to be seen.
Meanwhile, Nick Moody was redshirted (FR) last year due to a shoulder injury and Parks(Soph) saw very little action as CB and safety, and most of his contributions were on special teams.
This does not mean neither one of them can’t supplant Mangum, but his experience IMO give him a big edge. I think the other 2 will see plenty of action which will prepare them and solidify this position for the next few years, that is if someone in the incoming class does not supplant them,
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I tend to think this way
If Mangum could handle the job, we wouldn’t even be discussing the idea of him being supplanted as the starter there right now. He was moved to Rover with the idea of him being the guy for the job. In other words, the starting job was gift wrapped for him and after spring ball and summer conditioning he hasn’t guaranteed that he can do it and earned the confidence of the coaching staff. As Seminole fans witnessing the fall and rise of a dynasty we all know now that experience, while extremely valuable, isn’t everything. If we insist on using the Rover as an extra LB in run support first, Nick Moody is the guy. 6’1 235 lbs of 4.5 speed that hits like a mad man. He’s the type of player that opposing offenses view as an enforcer and intimidating presence.
Parks on the other hand is a kid who’s shown the dedication in the weight room and really committed to his move from Corner to Safety. He’s up from 195 to 215 lbs. He has the athletic ability and range that you would like for a safety to have along with the toughness in run support.
Now I will admit i’ve NEVER been a fan of Mangum. He’s always been a bit of a clumsy player that gets turned around more often than he should. He also benefits from lucky breaks and help from the talent around him very often. Again i’m admitting that getting me to say something good about Mangum would probably require him getting 6 picks, 15 tackles, 3 FF and 2 defensive TD’s against Miami because I simply have never been on his side. I’m clearly biased against him but honestly do feel (objectively) that he won’t be the starting Rover and if he is it won’t last all season.
Good points and we shall see. The 2 TD's against UM would be nice and I think you would have a man crush on him if that happened.
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never know he might be the best wwe ever had and have a brake out year.
Or he brakes his leg (dont wish it on the guy) and a better player comes in. I think we need to look a MR. He didnt live up the the potentule dont get me wrong he was good but just not great.
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so sad...
These guys should have 6 INTs EACH (ok, ok, maybe 4 each) not a total of 6. HAHA. Ouch. Looked at turn over margin. Even with all of Ponder’s picks, and the lack of INT’s, FSU was still dead even in turn over margin (fumble recoveries in our favor). Would be nice to reach Wakes turn over margin at +17 or VT’s +14. Who was last in the conference last year? The one and only U at -10. Hope they don’t clean up their act too soon.
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I voted progression
Re: Safety, I think Jamie Robinson will improve this year – it being his 2nd year at the position – and expect him to get > 1 pick this year.
I also think having Parks as his backup will mean we will be solid there so that we always have a fresh guy back there without losing much if anything at all. I believe Parks has the potential to be our best ballhawk at the FS spot since the dynasty years (at least).
Therefore, I believe that spot to be a progression overall. Although, if Moody can remain healthy, I feel good about his being able to at least match Rolle’s run stopping ability → or at least the preception as a threat to stop the run (as we all know often times preception = reality → or even preception > reality from the opposition’s POV)
I’m inclinded to agree with your assessments overall for the other 3 spots, but still that makes it (for me) 2 pros, 1 stag and 1 reg → which to me means overall progression.
I agree that FS will be a progression
Jamie Robinson will be a much better player than Darius McClure and he’ll be a better safety than he was a year ago trying to learn the position.
You and truenole87(below) may have a valid point on FS progressing, instead of being stagnant.
JRob started the last 3 games and 4 of the last 5 over McClure (who I don’t think was injured), so maybe MA recognized the same thing you both do in that JRob was better than McClure. You have given me a valid reason to rethink my FS rating.
Rishi, Parks has a tremendous upside that he played some corner and safety last year so he gives us some good depth and a little experience.
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voted stagnation
This unit might improve, but I don’t think they will show any statistical improvement until the problems up front are fixed.
Beat me to it
Just like Ponder’s improvement depends on the oline getting better, the secondary is going to have to see some much needed improvement with the D-line. No more secondary stopping the run? Marvel idea! I don’t see the d-line getting that much better. Went with stagnation as well.
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I hope you are wrong because 6 int's by the secondary is unacceptable.
You would think with some of the pressure Everette was bringing last year that number would have been higher.
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Regressed BUT!!!
I think this unit has a much better potential to be great than last year’s unit. All problems aside with the front 7, I think this unit will pass protect better and be equal if not a little better than last years unit. The only reason I say regress is for lack of experience. Once they become more seasoned, the unit has a high ceiling for potential to me.
However, if the front 7 with the increased weight and strength is able to perform their job as expected and allow these guys to gracefully gain experience…..lookout….some teams will pay dearly.
I am pretty sure you meant to type
" I think this unit will pass protect rush better". That will be the big question. If you are correct, I do agree there is a high ceiling for the secondary and there should be more than 6 picks with pressure..
However as of today, I do not think that we have regressed over last years secondary, so we will have to agree to disagree.
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BTW....anyone know the reason for Patrick Robinson's slump last year?
Was he hurt, defensive scheming or just a slump?
You could call it a slump...
since he was suspended the first 3 games I believe, and he didn’t hit the previous year’s groove (similar to preston parker)…
diablo, Jason called it correctly.
PRob was suspended the first 3 games which Mangum started. Then PRob started the 4th, but was replaced again by Mangum for the 5th and 6th game. It appears at that point he got it together because he then started every remaining game for the rest of the season. We can only speculate that the suspension and subsequent benching (sort of) affected him early on and it took him awhile to get his groove back. Hopefully he can pick at least 6 again this year, although I tend to think they offense’s will avoid his side of the field more.
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he got hurt on a kickoff/punt return against Colorado…He played in 8 of 13 games according to seminoles.com
I assume you are talking about PRob. If so, that explains why Mangum started games 5 and 6, since Colo was the 4th game. Makes sense now.
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Remember this about Pat Robinson
He may not have had the same season as 07 as far as number go obviously, but he routinely shut down receivers with ease. He also garnered a lot of pass interference calls that I feel just weren’t worth a flag. This lets you know that he’s constantly running with receivers stride for stride and plays physical which is something you want in a corner. He suffered an injury last season and didn’t play as consistently (as far as playing time) as people think he did. He missed the first 3 games from suspension, then he was dinged up in the Colorado game and had another injury that kind of nagged him.
Agreed and the injuries obviously played a factor. BCB with PRob was my only Progression given and I am not too worried about him.
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stagnation
With the players in the system the second year (Moody et al) and the infusion of young talent (Reid, etc), I see regression in September and progression in November. Averages out to stagnation over the season.
I agree with stagnation overall, but I just hope you are wrong with regression in September.
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Again your objection is noted and again it is overruled. Now sit down before I find you in contempt. (kidding)
In the last piece on WR’s and TE’s I asked the readers for words to replace STAGNATION, that when plugged into the headline in place of stagnation, would make my nether regions tingle like when I say out loud Progression, Stagnation, or Regression? (uh, uh, uh, uh, AAAHHH!!)
There were only a couple of suggestions and probably the best came from onebarrelrum with Par-ation. But I am still open to other suggestions.
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but it doesn't rhyme!
HAHA. I agree that the stagnation has the negative connotation. This is a little off topic: I have thought about if we go 8-4 in the regular season this year. Some people would think this is stagnation. I however would have to go with better than maintain. Just dropping an FCS school and adding a quality out of conference team is a major difference. We go 8-4 and i think we (well I will be) will have to explain to a lot of people why it would not be a ‘stagnant’ result.
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*DING DING DING DING--- WE HAVE A WINNER!---- DING DING DING DING*
PROGRESSION, CONTINUATION, OR REGRESSION? IS WHAT IT WILL BE FOR THE REST OF THE SERIES.
Thanks TBfisherman.
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First one I've voted progression for
Surprising myself. The Robinson boys improve, Reid takes over about halfway through, and Moody proves adequate in run support. It has to be better than last year’s atrocity right?
The members of the Kool-Aid Drinkers of Tomahawk Nation have assigned you a chair with your name on it.
I agree with you on the Rob boys, and that Jenije better sleep with one eye. I don’t see Moody beating out Mangum, but I have been wrong many, many times before.
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I can't lie, I don't see it
In Jenije. He has the tools but hasn’t pieced it together. I feel like Reid is the type of kid that will see that and take full advantage. It’ll be tough to hold someone like him off if consistency has been a problem in your career.
I thought he played very well last year.
Kid has good size and technique. I love Reid but I’ll be very surprised if he beats out Chuke.
I just hope they don't use him on PR!
Man, i saw him play live during the Champs Sports Bowl. I was so excited to see what he could do at Punt Returner (knowing all the speeed he has!) He muffed one, then got no more than 5 yards on 3 returns!
Will this impact Joyner?
If Jenije has one corner locked down, then are Joyner, Reid, Mitchell, Brooks, fighting for the other side?
I couldn't believe this factoid when I read it.
In 2005, Tony Carter’s INT in the Fedex Orange Bowl was the first pick by an FSU cornerback the entire season.
Just trying to set the bar even lower here, fellas.
I did not know that. Not that I don't believe everything you tell me, but I found that hard to believe, so I just had to check it out.
2005
INTERCEPTIONS No Yds Avg TD Long
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Kyler Hall (RV)……………3 38 12.7 0 25
Pat Watkins(FS)…………3 34 11.3 0 23
A.J. Nicholson (LB)………2 59 29.5 1 40
Ernie Sims(LB)…………..2 3 1.5 0 3
Tony Carter (CB)…………1 8 8.0 0 8
Roger William(FS)………1 0 0.0 0 0
Total……………………….12 142 11.8 1 40
Opponent…………………19 200 10.5 0 43
THE K-MAN SPEAKETH THE TRUTH! THE BAR HAS BEEN LOWERED.
So that made me even more curious.
2006
INTERCEPTIONS No Yds Avg TD Long
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Roger Williams 4 45 11.3 0 38
Tony Carter 2 121 60.5 2 86t
Lawrence Timmons 1 22 22.0 1 22
Marcus Ball 1 54 54.0 0 54
Myron Rolle 1 21 21.0 0 21
Buster Davis 1 0 0.0 0 0
Michael Ray Garvin 1 0 0.0 0 0
Geno Hayes 1 0 0.0 0 0
Total……… 12 263 21.9 3 86t
Opponent…… 16 204 12.8 2 50
So in 2006 we have Carter with 2 and maybe Garvin (listed as DB, If I remeber correctly=nickel back?) with 1=3 Int’s by CB.
2007
INTERCEPTIONS No Yds Avg TD Long
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Patrick Robinson 6 87 14.5 0 32
Tony Carter 4 44 11.0 1 24t
Toddrick Verdell 1 45 45.0 1 45t
Michael Ray Garvin 1 43 43.0 1 43t
Dekoda Watson 1 40 40.0 1 40t
Geno Hayes 1 38 38.0 1 38t
Anthony Houllis 1 20 20.0 0 20
Roger Williams 1 0 0.0 0 0
J.R. Bryant 1 0 0.0 0 0
Total……… 17 317 18.6 5 45t
Opponent…… 10 137 13.7 2 36
So in 2007 we have PRobs 6, Carter’s 4, and Garvin’s and Bryant each with 1=12 Int’s by CB’s
That is more like it, but it sure does make me reminisce of the days of Deion, TBuck, and Butler.
Now the question of the day, how can we spin this and make it Jeff Bowdens fault?
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Garvin's 2006 pick.
Definitely from nickel back position in 4th quarter against UM. He was just kinda standing in the middle of the field and caught a gift. Don’t know if they counted bowl games, but TC had a pick-6 called back for diving.
Also, if we played Virginia in 2006, Tony had a pick-6 there as well.
On a side note, that play counts as the worst celebration in FSU history. He ran into the end zone and made the “shhhhhh” gesture to the fans. One problem: it was at Doak and he wasn’t shushing any Virginia fans. It still bothers me.
Once again, sad that I remember all these off the top of my head.
by The K-Man on Aug 3, 2009 4:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
what's even more amazing...
…Is my BAC was a conservative .20 during MRG’s pick.
by The K-Man on Aug 3, 2009 7:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I remember that game also because it was the last game we played in the Orange Dump.
I remember that Drew W had a decent game because I think that was the game neither team could run the ball at all, but most of all our kicker made a game winning FG. Was MRG pick gift the one on the last play of the game?
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Ok, here goes
If Jeff Bowden’s offenses would have been as prolific as they should have been it would have forced our defense to push harder and thereby made better CBs out of the secondary we had during those years. Also, the recruiting was poor, bad player evaluation, not enough hugs and their lockers were a mess.
So now, of the above, what’s true, whats false and what’s just off the wall.
If Jeff's offense....
wouldn’t keep going three and out, the defense wouldn’t have to play as much. Having to play so many downs kept the defense worn out more than running 60,000 stadium steps every week. Being tired all the time made them play much more conservatively, which drastically reduced the number of interceptions they were capable of.
So obviously the corners couldn’t have had good years under JB.
Balderdash!
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I am going to try to answer my own query.
If Jeff Bowdens offense and play calling had been better, we would have scored more points, then other teams would have had to play catch up and thrown the ball more giving our CB’s more int’s.
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I vote progression
I feel that Patrick Robinson will have a big year, if anyone throws towards him. The distraction of last years suspension won’t be an issue this year and hopefully he can show up big. The other corner, who knows. I really felt Tony Carter was underrated, not that he was great, but I felt he was very solid. As much as I liked Myron as a person, I can’t deny that he was a bit of a disappointment, especially b/c of how highly regarded he was coming out of school. He just never seemed to do anything big…at least on the field. He made a lot of Noles proud w/all his accomplishments off the field. At safey, I can’t feel anything but progression. It seems that position has sucked for a while, it can only get better. I feel the secondary has the most incoming potential.
I agree with you on your assessments PRob and Carter. While Rolle did not fufill our expecations on the field as a cover back, I think disappointment is way too strong, for me anyway.
Let’s remember that whether by design or not, he was a big factor and the last line in our run stopping defense. I don’t want to think of last years outcome with a less solid player in that position with our problems stopping the run.
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I was hesitant to say disappointment, I guess it was just I felt like he would be “huge” coming out of college…and it never seemed to materialize. I’d like to see a real ball hawk back there, maybe Parks can fulfill that role in some form.
Many people here are also very high on Moody and Parks. Maybe I underestimate their potential, and overestimate Mangums experience. We shall start seeing in about a week.
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That's what scares me
Potential can sometimes continue to be potential for far too long, so I understand taking the side of experience over potential (which is clearly why Ponder is a starter of EJ at QB). But I guess what really has people excited about Moody and Parks is the fact they are dynamic athletes that we’ve otherwise been lacking in the secondary for quite some time. For years there has been a solid player at one Safety position and a marginal one at the other (McClure, Roger Williams, Kyler Hall etc). So the excitement and buzz surrounding guys like Harley, Parks, Moody is partly based in people’s anticipation of the shift from having a mediocre last line of defense to having one that could potentially be dominant and incredible. So maybe we just want to see it happen sooner than later. Obviously our opinions won’t determine whether or not these younger more physically gifted players are actually READY to be starters but we seem to hope so for sure.
Two things that Miami has used to beat us over the years...
An athletic TE that actually has a few balls thrown his way, and a ball-hawking safety. Two things that I’ve personally been envious of.
Miami has had some very good TE's over the years.
Even though we have had the same number or more TE go pro as UM, the difference was that they used theirs in the passing game much more than we did. Frankly most of our TE’s were blockers and drafted for that purpose, even though most of the ones that went pro turned out to be decent receivers in the NFL.
Go figure.
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Nick Moody INT's??
I kind of question his ball skills and his cover ability. How many picks do you guys predict him to have, if any?
In a season or career?
In either case it can’t be worse than Myron Rolle. Overall, in the area of ball skills we have improved LARGELY at Safety simply because we’ve replaced Darius McClure with Jamie Robinson. But like I said with Moody, whatever the case he can’t be any worse than Myron Rolle who had (I’m pretty sure, but not solid on this so someone correct me please) less than 3 interceptions in his career? Less than 5 for certain. Also, if Terrence Parks gets playing time at Rover i’d expect him to be a ball hawk (and the same goes from Freshman superhuman Jajuan Harley). For Parks its based on the fact that his ball skills are great and as a former corner he’s looking for the ball anyway. I’d categorize Moody as a hit first type of dude (which I don’t think is a bad thing)
both.
Well, i was thinking this season, but what about in his career? Myron only had 1 pick in the UCLA Emerald Bowl.
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This season i'll give him
MAYBE 1. And its only a guess of course. But his career is really hard to judge IMO. With the type of talent we have brought in and ARE bringing into the secondary, we can’t even say with confidence that he’ll still be in the rotation enough to make those types of plays. We haven’t even discussed Gerald Demps. At Safety you have kids like Parks, Demps, Harley all fighting to get on the field and Moody has had durability issues. But he has 4 seasons of eligibility so i’ll say 3 or 4 picks in his career.
so what is more importen
INT, Tackles, or block passes. I know they all work together but Just because we dont have the best int ratio dont mean they were not good. what makes them not good is the fact MA ant coaching them up anymore. Thats what needs to improve IMO.
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Since we are talking about the secondary, I think Int's. But the way we play our rover, almost as another LB, tackles are also important.
If the rover didn’t need to be so worried about the run support, he could act more like a strong safety and maybe get a few picks here and there.
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well when MA gets his head out of his @$$
maybe out team can stop the run with 7 or less. I want to see us stop teams with 6. That being said We might have more like SS this year. I think teams that run the QB will need to stack the box but its going to hurt us. I think we should stack the box and give them the long ball because I dont think most WR can our run us every time.
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Stopping the run with 6?
That’s nothing. In NCAA 2007, I can stop the run with 3.
by PBD on Aug 3, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
ha that a game.
Im talking real life. If we could stop a zone read with only 6 in the box you will shut down the spread. I dont care what style it is it gets shut down. In NCAA10 I run the 4-3-5 and can shut it down. I recruit nothing but speed and hight in the secondary and the biggest (hight/weight) on the line I can.There is something to it. If we could get out DT at about 290-300lb and the DE at about 245-260 and keep the speed I also like the 3-4 and I think that would work in real life. Ife we ran a 3-4 we could use all these fast LB we have. We could have EB last year on the line or off. I realy like kinda what Miami did last year with all 7 right up on the line no more than a foot off you never know who was rushing and who wasnt. Sounds crazy but when you have speed one missed black one dead QB.
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Des, if you run the 4-3-5 aren't you cheating? Ha Gotcha! Maybe that is why you always win.
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ha ha ha its a glitch in the game
no I run the 4-2-5 and its evil. you cant stop it when you have 6 in the box with the 2 ss up so close. its ike haveing 8 in the box and when you know its a run play you win.
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The defensive backfield is probably the area of most concern
However I am saying progression because it is impossible for me to believe it can be any worse.
Moody is actually bigger and stronger than Rolle and has to be able to cover as well. Myron was always being burned on the pass.
If nobody can beat out Magnum we are in deep trouble. I can still see the NCSU receiver leaving him behind like he was standing still. He is slow as christmas.
It is hard for me to believe that Rolle and Carter are irreplaceable with the number of athletes we have on hand. Allen and Alexander have had a year also to learn the ropes and both of them are stronger now benching around 385 pounds. Surely they are ready to play some football now.
I refuse to believe that either Demps, Parks, Bright, Harley, Rhodes or somebody can’t beat out Mangum. Parks is intriguing because he can hit and is also good in coverage having played the corner. I think he gets a lot of playing time.
Jenjihe, Allen and Reid are a pretty good three deep at the one corner.
All in all the talent level looks deep enough to survive an injury or two.
Is Imeokparia over his knee injury and still on the team. Nobody ever mentions him? He was supposed to be a safety also the last I heard.
Ed Imeokparia was redshirted in 2008 when, as you know, he tore his right knee ACL.
He did not play one down last year and to the best of my knowledge he was not cleared to practice during the spring drill. I left him off because I have no real info and I don’t think he will be a factor this year, if at all ever in the future.
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I don't know anyone who expects Ed I to ever be a serious contributor.
He wasn’t great to begin with and then got hurt.
Probably not, but I think it is a ethical issue. Do you want to be known as a school that takes away scholarships to players that get hurt while playing for you?
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Thats not the case with Ed. I
He worked hard to get in shape through the spring and is working hard now, we’ll see if he ever turns into anything.
Even with scholly's at a premium, I don't think it would be right to take one away from a injured player, unless he got arrested or was a douchebag and detrimental to the team.
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No argument here. From an insiders POV I think the coaching staff has been pretty
fair in handing out punishment when merited, but I can somewhat see how outsiders think we are were out of control and our favoritee form of punishment was making them run the stadium stairs. I don’t agree at all, but I understand the perception.
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If the kid can be a special teams enforcer
I say yes. Because I think that phase of the game is incredibly important. The least he can do is run fast and hit someone. Give 100% effort. Besides, he IS just a RS Freshman right? He’s got time to put egg on our faces.
He's healthy
But people don’t expect him to be a factor (at least not at Safety). Possibly a very solid special teams contributor. But you’re right, I never hear anyone mention him either
I'm okay with that.
He came down from the northeast and loves this team. It would be kinda mean to pull his schollie. If he can become a special teams cornerstone player, we could use it.
by The K-Man on Aug 3, 2009 4:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I vote Progression...
because of the offense if that make sense. I think opposing offenses will have to pass often to keep up with us. As a result, the secondary will have a better idea of what to expect. They might give up more yards, but we will have more picks than 6. I think the yards per pass attempt will be better. Frank D might be right about Myron being missed on run support, but no one want the team leader for tackles in a game to be the rover or anyone else in the secondary. Our front 7 will have to step it up.
OH YEAAHH!
I said Rolle's run support will be missed, but I agree with you that it should not come down to the rover being the teams 2nd leading solo tackler.
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TN members. The poll closed prematurely but has been reopened until 2:53 AM Wednesday 8/5.
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This year will be a wash...
last year wasn’t awful, just not good enough.
PRob missed the first 2-3 if I remember, and he’s back (1)
Carter is being replaced by equal or lesser talent (-1)
JRob is getting more comfortable (1)
Rover is a myster outcome (-1)
We have young talent, but it will take some time so…no better no worse until late in the season
next year we turn the corner
Yeah, right!
I'd disagree on turning the corner "SLOWLY"
The secondary in 2010 will be significantly better than 2009 and right away. That’s just my opinion. By then Greg Reid will have significant experience, AJ Alexander, Dionte Allen will have finally seen the field and Jenije will hopefully be consistent and play up to his skill set. I also expect another upgrade at Safety between Parks, Moody, Harley and Demps fighting for the starting spots.
Yeah but it is a vicious and never ending circle because next year both the Rob's will be gone, but we do have some major talent coming in.
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