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Florida State Coaches Continue to Push the Seminole Offense

We haven't done a practice update piece in a while, so I figured with 12 days until the battle with the scUMbags from Miami, we should update.  Now, we don't watch practice, so all of our information is second hand, and no, we won't reveal all of our sources.  

Make sure to check our FrankDNole's excellent series on the Miam-FSU rivalry.

Reading the Andrew Carter and Steve Ellis stories, and talking with others, it seems the coaches went out of their way to call out the offense after yesterday's practice.  I'm not buying it.  The offense has routinely worked the defense, both in practice, situational, and scrimmage settings.  Let's take a look at what they told Carter:

-On offense, lining properly is still a concern for the coaching staff. There have apparently been a number of issues with personnel being in the right spots at the right time. A little disconcerting, given the start of the season is less than two weeks away.   Andrew Carter- Orlando Sentinel

And Ellis' article talks about the offense not lining up correctly.  FSU can't practice more than the NCAA mandate, but they damn sure can tell their kids to study their film and playbooks more.  There's also some give and take here.  You can't have all positive press or all negative press.  Coaches are master motivators (or they try to be) and when you have one unit that is more talented, better coached, and just all around better, you have to find a way to keep them motivated.  If it's not showing them how a defense beat them in practice (which isn't happening often), it's through use of the media.  On the same token, coaches know what the defense is doing, but they are smart to alternate positive and negative press.

I have no concerns about lining up correctly.  FSU is pretty much done with serious contact in practice and they have plenty of time to work on the finer points of alignment.  This is something you know if you played football.  In fact, I find it encouraging that the coaches are harping on alignment for the offense.  It tells me there aren't serious other concerns.  Sure, each unit has some question marks, but they aren't glaring.  On the other hand, espousing concerns about the defense to the media might not do much to help them.  They see in the film room how the offense is routinely ripping off 25yard+ plays.  

But Fisher knows this offense has a lot of potential and once they reach a certain plateau, he has to point out the new goal and push them toward that new height.  Part of that is mastering the expanded playbook, but a lof of this are these young players not realizing how good they can really be.

-Talked with offensive line coach Rick Trickett briefly after practice and he said the right side of his line is still undecided. There are some good position battles going on there for first-team spots. Zebrie Sanders is likely to win the job at right tackle, but he is getting challenged by Rhonne Sanderson. At right guard, Brandon Davis is challenging incumbent David Spurlock, Trickett said.   Andrew Carter- Orlando Sentinel

Ditto Trickett.  This David Spurlock v. Brandon Davis battle is real.  Davis made good progress over the summer.  When I first heard about that, I dismissed it, but Spurlock did have his arm surgery and Davis probably passed him for a time this summer.  While I do think Spurlock has the higher ceiling, this is about who starts for the Miami game and for that game, ceiling be damned.  Play the best current player (the same applies to the Greg Reid debate).  I believe this Andrew Datko stuff to be just a motivational ploy.  Rhonne Sanderson has a chance to be a good college player, but unless Datko has an injury I am not aware of, Datko will start at Left Tackle.  

I wanted to comment on another excellent Andrew Carter article.  Read it.  We've been pretty steadfast in our contention that last year's passing game problems were mostly on the offensive line's inability to pass protect, and not Christian Ponder.  While some will argue that it's easier to throw in a non-contact jersey in practice, I'll argue the opposite- if the QB is at all touched, the play is dead.  How often is a QB brushed in the pocket in a real game before making a great play by stepping up and firing?  Particularly a mobile QB like ponder.  As AC says, the pass protection has improved, Ponder has time to throw, and the offense is making big big plays.  Our 1st team passing game numbers have been insane, something along the lines of 70% completions, almost 18 yards per completion, and a near perfect QB rating, with no interceptions.  

And Carter rightfully hypes the wide receivers, because they have had a lot of poor press over the past year.  The most encouraging thing for me is the emergence (re-emergence?) of slot wideout (the Y) Rod Owens, who now gives another option than Taiwan Easterling, and Senior Richard Goodman, who has big play potential and has the demeanor of a grown man.  

As for the defense, it is more talented this year than last, but I still have my concerns.  They were destroyed in the 1st scrimmage, and in the 2nd scrimmage, the headlines read that they improved, but my take on them is that they did well on the goal line (4 plays out of 60), and they crowded the box to stop the run game, which they did, but they gave up 3 or 4 scoring strikes of 35+ yards!  Stopping the run is obviously essential, and FSU's offense should again be the best in the ACC so their competition is pretty good here, but overall I think the secondary will take an inordinate amount of blame for some failures that are a result of being put in a poor situation.  What situation?  The defensive line and linebackers can't stop the run without significant help from the safeties, and when safeties are playing run only, the cornerbacks are hung out to dry.  Failure by cornerbacks in this situation against modern passing games should be expected, unless the offense is vastly inferior to the defense.  But there is some encouraging news here as well, as the defensive tackle play is better this year than last, some crucial defensive backs are now back from injury, and most teams don't have a run game like FSU.  I'm just saying to temper your enthusiasm and read the reports for what they say and what they don't say.  I don't buy that the defense played well because they had a few tackles for loss as a result of blitzing their head off and a few sacks (which could be touching the QB with one hand due to the non-contact jersey), when then a few paragraphs later that the offense averaged 10 yards per play and the defense had zero interceptions.    Temper the enthusiasm on the defense, but also realize that Mickey's defense is built to play with a lead!  That's a flawed design, but our offense just might be good enough to give the defense a big lead in a few games this year.  

With summer camp drawing to an end, it's been a great off-season.  Only one off-season arrest, on a bogus charge which was later dropped.  Only two injuries to key players (DT and possible starter Justin Mincey who will miss at least a month, and backup RT Antwane Greenlee whose knee injury information is yet to be released).  Player participation and attendance in voluntary activities is at an all-time high (so I'm told, I am not there to mark who is showing up).  

At this point, I feel great going into the Miami game.  People overrated FSU last year entering the season, but they might be underrating the 'Noles this year.  Miami is going to be without DE Adequle Ojomo.  They will have DE Eric Moncur, but he hasn't practiced in almost two weeks and could be rusty coming off this complex groin injury.

Other opponent news:  NC State lost their #2 Tight End Mario Carter.  Big deal?  Think again, they were going to use him a lot and this definitely helps FSU.  

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Scubmag?

A. I don’t know what a scubmag is, but I assume it’s a nice way of saying scumbag…

2. I don’t think I’ve read anywhere that you have partaken in the team name calling game before. I could be completely wrong, but it was a bit suprising.

D. I’m going to read the rest of the article now!

by PBD on Aug 26, 2009 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

He's a little fired up, give him a break.

Few people know this, but Uncensored’s the guy they hire to bang the drum all week before kickoff of the Miami game.

by TRMNole on Aug 26, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hang on

So for Miami, it’s Uncensored out there, but for the other games people get to sign up for an hour at a time?

New information….cool.

by PBD on Aug 26, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

and I thought I was the koolaid kid

JK

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Aug 26, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Totally believable the offense couldn't line up.

Also totally believable that FSU’s offense could beat itself in the first game with penalties. But yeah, I don’t think anyone would buy that the defense is ahead of the offense.

by TRMNole on Aug 26, 2009 4:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Uh oh

When I read that I had flashbacks of Jeff’s “High School Offense”

Actually, my high school didn’t have nearly as many pre-snap penalties and wasted timeouts as Jeff’s did…

I don’t think Jimbo runs things the same way. I’m hoping that a lot of the “alignment” issues were players being to tight or too wide, not on/off the line when they should be, or turning the defender the wrong way after the snap. Please let that be the case.

by PBD on Aug 26, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I was wanting to re-phrase anyway.

I have no doubt these guys know their assignments. I got the impression the players’ attitudes/focus were being called out. That didn’t surprise me in the least. But I don’t also want to give the impression that I don’t take it all with a grain of salt anyway. My hope is it’s all coachspeak, but my hunch is it wasn’t the best practice. My instinct is to certainly doubt that Bowden’s motivating anyone, through the media or otherwise.

by TRMNole on Aug 26, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has anyone else started getting the shakes?

I am freakin out over here, I need this game to start already.

FSUn, I loved the write-up. You all would be surprised how confident SCum fans are about this game. LIvin down in Miami goin to school down here…I just keep tellin them to wait and see. When I was studying in Europe over the summer, the internet was shoddy, I def missed coming here everyday. Seems I have missed quite a bit of growth. Good for the Tomahawk Nation…great contributors all around.

Go Noles.

by Miaminole on Aug 26, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Shakes?

Man, not only do I have the shakes, I have been having nightmares/pleasant dreams. Depends on if we are winning or losing against scUM while I am passed out. I kid you not, I have woke up screaming expletives. This game needs to get here so that I can finally sleep right. I wish I could say that my confidence was growing like some on here. Even with the news that Miami seems to be in a strange state of minor disarray, my gut tells me we blow it. Based on what? Absolutely nothing. My God, I need to see a genuine Miami dismantling. I still have a bad taste in my mouth from the game two years ago. Season opening Miami destruction would go a long way in healing that bad Ju-Ju.

Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.

by onebarrelrum on Aug 26, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wonder ....

…. if we had trouble lining up because we were running a bunch of new formations???

by Fsued on Aug 26, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Over Confident Miami Fans

I was at a concert in South Fl about 2 weeks ago. Next to our tailgate were these two maimi fans. We had our basic FSU tailgating stuff and you could tell easy what school we repd. I was asking them what they thought about their new OC. They said he is going to score over and over. Ok that makes sense isn’t that their job. Then they said Shannon was the problem last year and he wouldn’t let the old OC score? and they said Whipple isn’t going to take that from shannon this year. I always thought a HC wanted its own team to score. Well anyways I was just dumbfounded at the over confidence these miami fans had. In a nut shell they think they have the 2001 team coming to play this year.

by steveNole on Aug 26, 2009 4:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Very simple…with a new OC and a new DC, I can’t imagine any team would be ready to play a big time road game week one (USC aside). UM is very young and very raw. I don’t see them ready to go and play at a high rate. I’m trying to stay grounded, but I feel good about he game.

by cousinjay on Aug 26, 2009 6:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I for one ...

loved the “Scumbag” reference. At long last, the season is almost here so let’s get fired up! I was not very optimistic about this season a few months ago. Now, my optimism grows every day. I can’t wait for Labor Day. Fear the Spear!

by Frieds2222 on Aug 26, 2009 4:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Ty Jones

Anyone think he’ll ever make any noise in his career here?

I do if he gets back up to 220. He’s very effective at that weight. At 220, he’s got good speed and moves, and I like the way he runs.

He’s basically worthless at 200 or 205..

by FSUSOM on Aug 26, 2009 7:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Not sure why you think that

Even with his diabetes/weight setback last year, he finished the year with the most rushing yards against Wisc and a 31-yarder.

by ricobert1 on Aug 26, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know FSU had a problem with RB for the last 3 years with A smith.

Smith was fast as all hell but he had no size. He couldnt take a hit and keep going. If he could get outside you he might be gone. Now we have 4 RB all dif. I look at Jones as our new Smith in a way. when he has the ball and is going its like a cannon and there hes goes. We dont need all big back. Also never know might just see him work some slot wr for some plays.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Aug 26, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok Im getting the RB all mixed up

someone is going to have to tell me what each RB brights. Is there a link I can see for that.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Aug 26, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

abridged...

Jermain Thomas – not break away fast but strong, bounces around and finds the gaps/blocks in zone…unusually strong seeing he runs straight up and down.

Ty Jones – semi-power runner…reads the hole QUICK, gets through it make one cut and takes it vertical…after that you get plowed cause he’s full speed and only going one way.

Tavaris Pressley – General freak of nature…speed, power, and illusiveness. vision and understanding of the offense yet to be seen. (maybe later this year, next year or never)

Yeah, right!

by truecolors on Aug 26, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh yeah...

Chris Thompson – very quick, very fast, shifty, and great vision. sort of scat back but strong for his size (see Warrick Dunn) not saying he’s as good, but the styles translate well.

Yeah, right!

by truecolors on Aug 26, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know this may not be the place to post this

But Seriously… How freaking naive can Miami fans be? They say that their 6’7, 235 backup was cheese? Are you kidding me? it has to be a joke… And you really think that a little 6’1 guy who has been in the system for ONE SUMMER is going to be able to just be like “oh okay, i got this coach”… The fact that you have a backup with such strong physical attributes tells me you are either incompetent (Jeff Bowden), the player is incompetent (Xavier Lee), or your team is USC (Matt Cassell) or Missouri (the OTHER Chase… but thats because Mizu runs the spread… Miami runs the I… seriously…bleh).

AND MARVE LEFT BECAUSE HALF THE RECEIVING DEPTH CHART would not catch passes from him. I’m not going into the fact that Marve is a drama king. Fact is, the players didn’t seem to want him to QB…

I can’t handle the crack they are on. I can’t handle the thought of them winning either. They are so damn delusional its INSANE. I can’t handle such delusional fans being rewarded.

Christian Ponder will do great things. Will he play in the NFL? Maybe… physically he has it… But judging from last year he doesn’t really have that IT factor like D’Vonte had…while D’Vonte didn’t have any of that diligence factor that Ponder has.

Judging from the recruiting style and this legacy first attitude I think UM is becoming Nepo U Numero 2…

End fan post :P

by Trus1te on Aug 26, 2009 11:27 PM EDT reply actions  

DVO couldn't tell the difference between you and me in the middle of an oppen field if we both had...

different colored lights on our heads with big signs that said “I’m offense” and “I’m Deffense”…good athlete, good arm, no ability to read D….

Yeah, right!

by truecolors on Aug 26, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not disagreeing

All I said is that he the IT factor… Lots of guys have the IT factor and no understanding of the game…

The most successful of them being a certain QB who did great at VT

by Trus1te on Aug 26, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

my bad

at QB I’ve always pressumed the IT was mental (some people can read some can’t) learning to get better at it is one thing, but some great armed athelets simply can’t catch on. mechanics and strength can be fixed.

Yeah, right!

by truecolors on Aug 26, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I meant the

Ability to make a great play from nothing. D’Vo could do it. Xavier could do it.

Could they do the ins and outs? They never really proved that.

Glad we’re on the same page now!

by Trus1te on Aug 26, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

A little off topic, but not much

I read yesterday (I think it was on a Dinich blog, eh gross) that we are severely undersold on tickets for this game? Can anyone confirm or disconfirm this? We have a largely fickle home fan base, but I can’t believe this. Thoughts and/or concerns??

Great post by the way. I had to watch the youtube hit on R. Parrish from the rain bowl a few years ago just to get the chills again.

by HeedNole on Aug 27, 2009 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, only 73000 have been sold, we project to be 7000 short of capacity.

It’s a Monday night, FSU’s media department does a terrible job promoting the team, and Miami is expected to send less than 5K fans…

by Bud Elliott on Aug 27, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can't be true.

We have a legendary head coach who our fanbase desperately wants to see win the all-time Div. 1-A wins record, no matter the cost to the program. Not only that, but Average Joe Seminole Fan still believes in Bobby and is showing up to every game with his family in tow. “Hold on to the past!” they cheer. We have a booster organization that is still headed by the same people who’ve been in there for ages, so their decisions and the results of their forward thinking and ideas must be paying dividends for our athletics program. Florida State’s students are treated with respect. FSU is also TOP-NOTCH when it comes to marketing. You didn’t hear that your poor family that can’t afford real tickets can sit in FSU’s “family section” right smack dab in the middle of the calmest, friendliest Miami fans you can find this side of Little Havana? Get with the program, man! “83,000! Wrong!” (Or something like that.)

by TRMNole on Aug 27, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

hurts the soul

to hear it, but hey, as of now I am not coming down from Atlanta to go, and I am FROM Tallahassee. I still might make the game, but it’s unlikely. I will be representing at BC and UNC though, and maybe the dreaded Thanksgiving game. I went to FSU from 2000 – 2004 and even then, coming off a successful 2000 and 2001 campaign, the students still wouldn’t fill the seats till halfway through the first quarter!
Of course, i was occasionally in that lot, because we all have to get our minimum 10 beer, 3 shot quota before entering… haha

by HeedNole on Aug 27, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

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