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Florida State WORT 08.05.09

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2010 Big Board

 

Today is a big update!  Come inside for more!

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Notes:

  • There is a very high chance Christian Green will be a Seminole.  I am very confident.
  • Miami Springs WR Willis Wright is a qualifying concern.  If the kid can put it together he is a top ten player in Florida.  No word on FSU interest. Our coaches are evaluating him currently.
  • The Lattimore news hurts.  The kid is an elite prospect.  The focus shifts to Gio Bernard, heavily.
  • We will probably take Clements over Gainer.
  • There will be a 2011 Big Board by the end of the season
  • Corey Lemonier and Calvin Smith are Illinois leans.
  • Carol City CB Gareef Glashen has impressive video (Youtube).  Coaches will continue evaluating.
  • The 4th CB:  The coaches are going after Keion Payne for this spot.  He is Miami bound most likely.
  • Glades Central CB Greg Dent is heading up to FSU on the 13th.  I have heard that he is very good with a lot of potential.  Miami leads currently.
  • Christian Jones made another visit.  He is all 'Nole.

 

Most Important Defensive Prospect:  Christian Jones

Linebacker is the biggest need.  We have no talent at the position currently (players CURRENTLY on the roster).  I believe Jones is the best LB on board this year, including Luc.  There is nothing he can't do from the LB spot.  USC LB coach Ken Norton called Jones the best LB in the nation this year.  Julian Peterson is a good comparison here.

Rest of the Defense:

Lamarcus Joyner - No comment necessary.  Where will he play?  Corner or Safety?  He looked very, very good at FNL.  Dunkley got him a couple of times, and Joyner got him a couple as well.  All this garbage about Dunkley owning Joyner is just that, garbage. 

Corey Miller - Miller is a elite prospect at DE, another need.  He has been dominating the camp circuit this year.  He is also a great kid and will be an early enrollee.

Brandon Willis - We need DL in the worst way.  Willis could play a variety of positions.  His best bet is SDE or 3tech DT.  I don't know if WIllis can put the weight on to be a 3tech.  That being said, he makes up for it with his exceptional quickness.

Darious Cummings - Cummings has been committed over a year.  He is a true Nole.  I think he'll be a SDE in college.  Cummings is another DL that has great quickness.  He recently clocked a 4.69 40 at 260 pounds.

 

Most Important Offensive Prospect:  Christian Green

Green is an elite talent at a need position.  We can't afford to lose him to the Gators.  He can do it all at the WR position.  Green has the second gear, first step explosion, and the size to be an All American at WR.  He is also 200 pounds with all that speed.  I believe he compares favorably with Dez Bryant.

Rest of the Offense:

Gio Bernard - Bernard will get the full court press now that Lattimore has eliminated us.  He is a wrecking ball with great initial burst.  I believe we are currently in the lead, but we will have to fend off scores of schools.

Kenny Shaw - Shaw is another 'Nole at a position of need.  Shaw has tremendous burst in and out of his breaks.  He makes it look easy out there. 

Ed Christian - Christian is a guard or tackle.  He has ample potential at both, but he said that Trickett was very impressed with the way he played at guard during Showtime.  Plus, he continues the important Lowndes pipeline (the gift that keeps on giving).

 

Some Gridiron Kings video (Shaw, Godfrey, Jones):


Christian Jones has a ridiculous INT in this video.  Such a talent.

SWFLNole gives us some 2011 nuggets!

DE Ray Drew (Thomas County Central)- Very likely a high 4*/low 5*, huge hands and feet, great off the field, dynamic pass rusher. I will see him in three weeks at the TCC-Lowndes game.  Fierce off the ball snap.
 
QB Christian LeMay- Probably a HUGE UF-Battle. Wants to play in a pro-style offense. UF will switch styles under Brantley and show a less "spread like " offense for the kid. Best fundamentals (all parts, feet, play action, etc)  since Chris Leak. Tighest spiral I've seen out of a HS kid since Leak as well. Needs to work on repeating his delivery or will have accuracy issues on the next level.
 
RB Mike Bellamy (Charlotte High School) - UF Lean, wears UGA gear sometimes. Les Miles and Pete Carrol are sending the house. Coley saw him this spring. We'll gauge interest and go from there. Ran a 4.31 at FNL.
 
Other players I will see at the TCC-Lowdnes game (August 21) -- DB Hunter, RB Jeff Dyson.  Dyson is supposedly electric.
 
My guy RB Tony Jackson (Taylor County) showed very well at the FSU 7 on 7, but has a hamstring pull that made him only capable to play in 3 games. Very fast, well put together.
 
RB Isiah Crowell (Carver HS)- our first 2011 RB offer, very very good back. UGA lean for sure.  We don't have a good shot here.
 
RB Eric Beverly is a really big back, but he can move for his size. Hester all over for Jimbo. First Coast is a pipeline, they LOVE us there.
 
I've heard DE Deon Lee has real interest. This kid will BURST on to the scene. WDE with great speed, great edge rusher now. Needs coaching, plays WR as well I believe.
 
DT Shaman Richardson- team was at FSU 7 on 7. Ocala means Gator probably, coaches saw him. We will recruit him for sure.
 
DT Jericho Lee appears to be in the 2011 class. There are very good sources who tell me he is transfering to NFC for the fall.
 
RB Buck Allen is very open to colleges, may go out of state. New Lincoln coach is open to FSU staff, writers, personnel at practices. He invited me over to watch practice, and meet some of the guys. I might go talk to Buck sometime in the fall. FSU will recruit hard. He is listed as an ATH because he catches the ball well and they flex him out into the slot quite a bit but he is a RB.  Do not worry about character issues, they were way overblown.  He is a good kid.
 
ATH Sammy Watkins is Jaylen Watkins little (but much bigger) brother. He goes to a different high school Jaylen goes to Cape Coral, and Sammy goes to a new high school South Ft. Myers. Jaylen is obviously a huge gator (and overrated, Bellamy showed him what elite players look like in their spring game). Sammy is a WR, probably just as talented as Jaylen, regional recruit 12-15 offers by the end of it.
 
CB Nick Waisome- Gator lean, very very good CB. First CB offer from us.
 
ATH Hakeem Flowers- Athlete plays both sides, profiles as a CB, we offered on defense. We do well in South Carolina.
 
DB Quayshun Smith- Godby HS, told he is not a street kid, good ball skills for a 2011 kid, KILLED the National Underclassman Combine in Jacksonville. Played well at FSU 7 on 7. Very small.
 
TE Nick O'Leary- Dwyer. Very polished TE, great hands, probably a high 4.5 kid. We need to recruit him. Was at FNL.
 
OL Trey Pettis- Love this kid. FSU fan growing up. Will be a monster under Trickett.  We hope he helps with Pop Saunders.
 
TE Jay Rome (Valdosta)- Probably a national recruit. Clemson legacy, they have offered. UF loves the kid, so do we.
 
Kelvin Benjamin- I'd bet he goes to UM. Related to Travis, Plays WR but might be a TE at the next level. Maybe not though very smooth hips, gets in and out of breaks remarkably quick for a kid his size and age.

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Great stuff guys.

Why so confident in Christian Green? The LeMay recruitment is interesting, can you name some reasons he WILL NOT come here? Thanks.

Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb

by badknees81 on Aug 5, 2009 12:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah

Grew up in Gainesville. Dad was the team pastor under Meyer.

by SWFLNole. on Aug 5, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

ESPN Top150 for 2010 up...

We have 3 so far, but look good for about 5 more…

I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.

Elayne Boosler

by NaGaNole on Aug 5, 2009 12:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Any list

That has Demar Dorsey as the #11 player in teh country should be taken with a pound of salt.

by SWFLNole. on Aug 5, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

WHAT!!!!

Demar Dorsey in any 150 list is a joke.

by FSUSOM on Aug 5, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

So is there NO chance of getting Lattimore?

By the way, i thought the ESPN 150 was TERRIBLE!!! Jonathan Dowling and Demar Dorsey are 5 *’s? WTF!

by fsufrenzy911 on Aug 5, 2009 12:17 PM EDT reply actions  

ESPN doing a great job pumping up SEC recruiting...

They have sold out, IMO…

I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.

Elayne Boosler

by NaGaNole on Aug 5, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is pathetic.

Dorsey ranked above Joyner? Seriously? The UF recruits are good, we know, but they are much higher on this list than it seems they should be.

by DKfromVA on Aug 5, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

We can nitpick any list really

but I think overall ESPN does a better job than Rivals. Combining the two makes the most sense.

by Bud Elliott on Aug 5, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree on ESPN>Rivals most of the time

But this year’s list bothers me. Miller and Willis that low, Christian Jones lower than he should be, Dowling and Dorsey unbelievably overrated…I dunno. I don’t like it this year.

by DKfromVA on Aug 5, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

ESPN has C Jones much better than rivals' 79

ouch.

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Aug 5, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I usually would agree

But ESPN’s list makes a mockery to FL high school football and anyone who follws it would agree.

by SWFLNole. on Aug 5, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great stuff as always

Interesting that Jones takes precedent over Joyner on this priority list, I would flip the two personally but I understand your reasoning.

I really want Bernard in this class. It’s interesting how far Gainer has fallen, but I’d be very very happy with a class of Smiley, Bernard and Clements/Gainer (though I’d be fine with taking just two RBs since Smiley will have three years to play).

by NoleThruandThru on Aug 5, 2009 12:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Smiley = Half Back or Tail Back?

I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.

Elayne Boosler

by NaGaNole on Aug 5, 2009 12:36 PM EDT reply actions  

espn 150....

is terrible brandon willis didnt make their 150

by aaron321 on Aug 5, 2009 12:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes he did, he's much higher than Miller

Somewhere in the 60s…

I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.

Elayne Boosler

by NaGaNole on Aug 5, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Need clarification on one quote:

“Linebacker is the biggest need. We have no talent at the position currently.”

by The K-Man on Aug 5, 2009 12:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Look at the depth chart

We will have no freshman LBs next year, and after Watson and Wright graduate our LBs will be Bradham, Williams who has a bad back, Smith, and then quesiton marks like Alexander, Carr, Gresham, etc.

Very little depth.

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Aug 5, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

How is Carr a question mark?

I think he is much better than Kendall Smith already.

by Zach_Nole on Aug 5, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Based on what? He didn't play much last year at all

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Aug 5, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kendall Smith has looked terrible out on the field

I hope he proves me wrong, but he is the most over-rated player on the team outside McMahon. Watch the end of the Maryland game, he looks like he shouldn’t even be playing for FAMU.

by Zach_Nole on Aug 5, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

When has Kendall Smith made a play? I can't remember seeing him make one outstanding play.

I could be wrong, but from what I’ve seen his instincts are terrible and he has a tough time wrapping up on tackles.

by Zach_Nole on Aug 5, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

pffft.

I can remember a couple.

1) Nasty sack/forced fumble (one or the other or both) in the WF game.
2) Remember that sweet tackle on Tyrod Taylor? First play of the game – busted his ankle on that play.

I think he can play.

by Fire Machine on Aug 5, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not trying to stir the pot, just being honest

Only 24 tackles in 13 games last year…..I just don’t think he has natural football instincts. Great kid and great athlete…I hope he proves me wrong. We’re going to need him.

by Zach_Nole on Aug 5, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

All indications are that Kendall "tore it up" in the spring.

This would indicate a 180 turn from what I’ve seen so far.
The games I’ve watch on DVR from last year show 1 good play for every 3 really bad plays. He also started a true freshman against Kentucky and looked lost.
That being said, we don’t have any real game experience to compare him to Carr. (side note, I liked Carr’s HS highlights as much, if not better than Bradham’s).
I consider Carr a question mark due to potential for injury as a pedestrian. Several random times in the past year, I’ve seen Nigel jaywalking across Pensacola in his slide shoes, kinda moseying across the road. Come on, bro! Use a crosswalk!

by The K-Man on Aug 5, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

They all do it

I just drove home from the stadium and saw 2

by SWFLNole. on Aug 5, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

When driving easbound approaching the stadium, I always take that right-hand turn slowly.

Since I know there’s some FSU armadillos likely crossing. I’m not 80 years old, but I think they should address it.

by The K-Man on Aug 5, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Carr was much better than Kendall Smith

he’d be starting. Don’t knock Smith- dude is one of the lone bright spots from the 2007 class debacle.

Carr is a talented dude but Smith > Carr right now.

by NoleThruandThru on Aug 5, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carr is behind Watson at his position

He is a far better football player than Smith based off what I’ve seen.

by Zach_Nole on Aug 5, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kendall Smith

was voted by the coaching staff as the most dependable LB in the spring. He’s a junior, he played behind Nicholson his first 2 seasons and has provided solid depth and played well as a backup. What exactly have you expected to see out of a kid with Derek Nicholson playing in front of him? The fact that you’re trashing him is pretty ridiculous IMO

by truenole87 on Aug 5, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually Smith didn't didn't play behind Nicholson his first 2 seasons

He played OLB up until the Spring, which means he played behind Watson, Verdell, and Ingram last season. Nothing wrong with backing Watson up though

by s_barrow1 on Aug 5, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not trashing him either, just stating what I've witnessed from an agnostic standpoint.

I wasn’t there to witness Spring practice, so I go on what’s available to me.
Take Surrency for instance. That other website was blowing him up last summer based on practice as “the closest thing since Randy Moss at FSU”. I was skeptical (agnostic) cause all I’d seen were his El Camino highlights. He caught tons of jump balls, but immediately hit the ground and rarely broke tackles and stayed on his feet.
I’m in a “believe it when I see it” mode with Kendall. He’s definitely a supreme athlete, a quality young man, and a highly recruited LB. I’m just waiting to see something.

by The K-Man on Aug 5, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand that completely

but Zach_Nole stated the kid shouldn’t even be playing at FAMU. I don’t think he’s had consistent enough playing time yet but I feel like he’s made consistent strides from everything i’ve heard and don’t expect him to be a liability.

by truenole87 on Aug 5, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not trashing him, just being honest based off performance

I’m not rooting against him. Please watch the end of the Maryland game and get back to me.

by Zach_Nole on Aug 5, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is a Division 1 type player

I’m just big on Football instincts and not measurables. Carr has football instincts. As of now, Smith is a measurables guy.

by Zach_Nole on Aug 5, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

smith

imo looked pretty good in the spring game, i think until he hurts us in a game, we shouldnt throw him under the bus just yet.

by jfree on Aug 5, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zach_Nole

Cool it on the “terribles” in describing Smith. He isn’t a terrible player at all. And if you are basing your opinion off of the end of one game, I’d have loved to hear your thoughts after Charlie Ward threw all those INTs against Georgia Tech early on in his career.

I think it’s kinda ridiculous that you are claiming Nigel Carr is worlds better than Smith but couldn’t get out on the field in real game situations past special teams last season. Not saying you are right or wrong, but I think the basis of your reasoning is flawed.

by NoleThruandThru on Aug 5, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well Really

He only used “terrible” once, referring to his instincts.

I don’t know if he’s going to play well this season or not. I know that we all hope he does (even Zach_Nole). He had both good and bad from his time last season, which is really the same thing we all say about 80% of the offensive line.

by PBD on Aug 5, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Used it twice, look again

but regardless Smith is starting and was voted most dependable in the spring, as already stated. We all need to root for these guys to succeed, not state that they have no business playing for FAMU.

by NoleThruandThru on Aug 5, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you read this quote FSUncensored's Offensive Line article last night?

they absolutely manhandled the ’Noles offensive line- even making Rodney Hudson looking terrible

This is “no-holds-barred analysis of FSU Sports”. If somebody looked terrible in a game, it’s okay to call it like you see it. If you think Zach is rooting against any player to succeed, then you don’t know the man. (we actually don’t know many of each other on this anonymous message board).

by The K-Man on Aug 5, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I clearly don't know him

or in what context to take his post. When I read negative comment after negative comment about a starter on this team, then I see comments like Carr is loads better than him (even though Carr has barely been on the field in legit situations) I don’t think that’s sound analysis. That’s my point.

by NoleThruandThru on Aug 6, 2009 4:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

NoleThruandThru

I should have chosen my words better, but I am not changing my stance on my opinion.

I sincerely hope Kendall has an All-American year and makes me look ridiculous.

I love TN because it is a forum where I can voice my opinion freely. As I mentioned, Kendall is an outstanding representative of FSU and has all the characteristics we should be proud of.

BUT, from my perspective he lacks instincts I’d like to see from a Linebacker. He has looked straight up lost at times out there. He also has had trouble wrapping up on tackles.

I apologize if I made you angry, just calling it like I see it. Kendall has been immune to performance criticism for some reason, and I feel it is justifiable to mention it.

by Zach_Nole on Aug 6, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

You didn't make me angry at all!

I just happen to disagree on your reasoning, that’s all. No worries!

by NoleThruandThru on Aug 6, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't take everything so literally. The FAMU thing was clearly hyperbole.

hyâ‹…perâ‹…boâ‹…le
  /haɪˈpɜrbəli/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [hahy-pur-buh-lee] Show IPA

1. obvious and intentional exaggeration.
2. an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as "to wait an eternity."

by The K-Man on Aug 5, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

No need to be a smartass

because I interpret a comment differently than you do.

by NoleThruandThru on Aug 6, 2009 4:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

sorry to come across that way.

The discussion should focus on analysis of the team, and not each other. I guess you have a personal affinity for Kendall (who is an exceptional young man). Everybody here wants him to succeed. There’s a certain Caucasian defensive tackle who’s received 1000x the critical judgement on this site, but it doesn’t elicit this type of backlash.
Let’s opine about the product on the field.

by The K-Man on Aug 6, 2009 8:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

You guessed wrong, I don't have a personal affinity

for him and I don’t see why you would assume so just because I disagree with your point. And I’m not the only one who disagreed.

Smith was voted Most Dependable by his fellows in a unit that includes Dekoda Watson and Nigel Bradham. That speaks volumes to me when it comes from players.

I don’t want to get into any pissing matches over anything, we’re all Noles here. I just disagree with your opinions, and I’ll leave it at that. No harm no foul, I’m sorry if I came of in a negative manner at all. It’s hard to convey context while typing :)

by NoleThruandThru on Aug 6, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

I was just thinking that this was starting look like conversation on the WC messageboard

"No, like I said, Woo peed on my rug" - The Dude

by Surfanole on Aug 6, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bradham=talent

IMHO, more than any 2010 LB we might take…

I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.

Elayne Boosler

by NaGaNole on Aug 5, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes he is

But our depth is lacking big time.

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Aug 5, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I posted this in the other thread but figured I'd put it here too

Corey Miller was in a big car accident, appears to be ok. Out of commission for 3 weeks he said. Hope he’s alright.

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Aug 5, 2009 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Corey is okay

The other guy was in bad shape. Keep them in your prayers.

by Bud Elliott on Aug 5, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think its funny how.....

they jacked up all the florida guys…..demar dorsey is no way near the 11 best player in this class…..ahead of joyner hahahaaha

by aaron321 on Aug 5, 2009 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't see how Dowling is above Elam

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Aug 5, 2009 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I think FSU's great S. Ga recruiting the past two years

is going to play HUGE dividends in 2011. Many think that Tyler Hunter, freak of nature CB from Lowndes, will be FSU’s first 2011 commitment.

FSU should be able to get some good talent from First Coast in Jacksonville as well. I like Eric Beverly.

I’m also high on Pettis.

by NoleThruandThru on Aug 5, 2009 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Is Hunter a likely 5*?

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Aug 5, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Based on Rivals rankings

I’d guess an initial 6.0 4 star, will earn a 5 star by the end of it.

by NoleThruandThru on Aug 5, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Ray Drew will be our first commit.

As for Hunter, I think he compares to Patrick Johnson/Peterson. His writeup on the 2011 BB is by far the longest.

I hope Pettis helps us with Pop Saunders.

by FSUSOM on Aug 5, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are we big time leaders for Drew?

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Aug 5, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

So he's kind of like the Jacobbi McDaniel/Bradham of out 2011 class?

Early commit, loves FSU, elite talent everybody wants?

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081229/?pg=2

by tdchrisdavis on Aug 5, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

Early offers from Bama, UGA, FSU, UF.

by FSUSOM on Aug 5, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great job again on this WORT guys

This is so useful for people who can’t follow recruiting on a daily basis but still want to keep up with it.

by Bud Elliott on Aug 5, 2009 1:16 PM EDT reply actions  

As long as we win in Jan, I'm ok with #5 in Feb...

I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.

Elayne Boosler

by NaGaNole on Aug 5, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's saying

That we have no depth behind Bradham, Smith, and Carr. We need a lot of LB, and C. Jones is special.

by SWFLNole. on Aug 5, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is a healthy Vince Williams not a talented enough MLB

And yes I do hope Mizell gets his affairs in order and gets here in January. Smith, Jones, Mizell, Luc, Onwukaife, and Terrell would give us the best incoming LB class. Thats just sick if that comes together

by s_barrow1 on Aug 5, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Terrell

Tharinger is reporting that he may comitt as early as today!!!!

by noles 4 life u dig? on Aug 5, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know this is a stretch but

If that does happen and we are a “lock” to get Jones. Does this limit our chances to flip Rodgers and get Luc? I’m not sure we are even trying to get Rodgers.

by noles 4 life u dig? on Aug 5, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't like our chances with Luc

If we could get Terrell and Jones, to go along with Smith and Holmes, that’s a solid class.

Mizell might make it in, and we may be after another LB.

by basbalstr101 on Aug 5, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm weary of Rogers decomitting from UGA for any reason

Because I don’t want an open spot on their board enticing Telvin Smith.

by truenole87 on Aug 5, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Assuming fsu coaches fully realize that...

wouldn’t they rather Rodgers and Luc as a combo over Telvin? a trade of sorts….

by noles 4 life u dig? on Aug 5, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rogers doesn't guarantee Luc

So its a big chance to take. And at the end of the day

Telvin/Lowndes pipeline >>>>>>>>>> Rogers.

by truenole87 on Aug 5, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

Jones, Terrell, Holmes, and Smith would be great enough. Luc knows what fsu has to offer…. it doesn’t sound like he cares about playing with friends or competiton.

by noles 4 life u dig? on Aug 5, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

when I read

that line I knew it would stir up some debate. I think we have some talent there and I know we have no depth.

"No, like I said, Woo peed on my rug" - The Dude

by Surfanole on Aug 5, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

ESPNU150 Players we are in for:

We look good for these:

5 Jeff Luc
12 Lemarcus Joyner
26 Christian Jones
50 Christian Green
54 Brandon Willis
88 Corey Miller
95 Kenny Shaw
107 Nigel Terrell
110 Telvin Smith
135 Darious Cummings
145 Terrence Mitchell

We are also still in the mix for these guys but we are not the favorite:
76 Cody Riggs
92 Cory Lemonier
142 JR Ferguson

by s_barrow1 on Aug 5, 2009 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

I dont think

We are really in the running for Riggs, Lemonier, or Ferguson

and doubt we “look good” for Luc.

by SWFLNole. on Aug 5, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm actually hearing more positive things about Luc lately

And I do agree with Riggs, Lemonier, and Ferguson are unlikely but we are still on their lists and Riggs is taking an official here for the UM game? I think.

by s_barrow1 on Aug 5, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its important to remember

That these are preseason rankings and are subject to change often and drastically throughout the season. Dorsey won’t be able to hold #11 in the nation all season because . .. well . .. he simply isnt that good. I also expect Corey Miller and Brandon Willis to jump up the list and Lamarcus Joyner to take his rightful place in the top 10. Christian Jones may even earn a 5th *

by truenole87 on Aug 5, 2009 2:31 PM EDT reply actions  

What about Green

I would think he has a chance to move up the list as well, what do you guys think? I just dont feel that 50 players are better than him and im not sure there are 25.

by 21nole24 on Aug 5, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will be at the Lowndes vs Valdosta game this year...

You’d think it was college…it’s a great game…

I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.

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by NaGaNole on Aug 5, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's Oct 9th, at Lowdnes...

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by NaGaNole on Aug 5, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do they play more than once?

I feel like I just read that it was in 3 weeks (and Ironically enough I can’t find it now lol)

Either way I wanna check that game out

by truenole87 on Aug 5, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lowdnes High schedule...

August 21, 2009 Thomas Co Central (Pre-Season) 8:00 PM
August 28, 2009 Woodland, Henry County 8:00 PM
September 4, 2009 Peachtree Ridge 8:00 PM
September 11, 2009 @ Ware County 7:30 PM
September 18, 2009 @ Colquitt County 7:30 PM
September 25, 2009 Tift County 8:00 PM
October 2, 2009 @ Northside Warner Robins 7:30 PM
October 9, 2009 Valdosta 8:00 PM
October 23, 2009 @ Houston County 7:30 PM
October 30, 2009 Coffee 8:00 PM
November 6, 2009 Warner Robins 8:00 PM

I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.

Elayne Boosler

by NaGaNole on Aug 5, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lowdnes High Schedule

Of those games, I would love to see:
Thomas Co Central Aug 21
Valdosta Oct 9th
Warner Robins Nov 6th

by AbeFroman21 on Aug 5, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

The game in 3 weeks that SWFL mentioned (in this article and elsewhere)

is the Aug. 21st game b/w TCC and Lowdnes – according to NaGaNole’s post above the game will be at Lowdnes.

by RishiM on Aug 6, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lincoln played at Valdosta during our first state title season.

Man, that place was intimidating. They had some ridiculous home winning streak going at the team. Everybody thought we were going to lose. Incredible atmosphere.

by The K-Man on Aug 5, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe this isn't exactly recruiting, but...

If Luc came to FSU (thinking about our current depth), would he start at MLB as a true freshman?

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Elayne Boosler

by NaGaNole on Aug 5, 2009 2:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Very likely could

depending on health of V. Williams and how well Kendall does.

by Bud Elliott on Aug 5, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Christian Jones

goes to my old high school, would love to see him be a star for FSU. Oh and great work as usual on the WORT, you guys rule.

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by Surfanole on Aug 5, 2009 3:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Very good information

Access to real information is very refreshing. I even enjoy the bickering. I like a good debate myself but I am usually wrong 1% of the time. (Just kidding)

I have always said it is a tough crowd here. Kendall Smith probably won’t ever be a Ron Simmons but he is still pretty young so I will give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

As long as I am hearing about guys looking better in the spring I have to feel that Stroud is making a difference.

Yeah we can get used to ESPN following the company line, big contracts doncha know. Prepare for more TTTTTTimmy is the greatest also. The best way to change all this is go out on the field and kick sand in the gates faces. It is really that simple and then we will know whose recruits should have been ranked higher.

If FSU doesn’t make this a close game in the swamp I don’t think I can bear it.

Many things could change recruiting wise if FSU really blows up and becomes more dominant on the field this year.

You know I have been thinking Herban could probably run his spread after this year but it would take up a lot of his time. Of course Brantley is not a running quarterback also I realize. The fact that he brought in a pro style offensive coordinator shows me Mullen was probably more of a factor than you might think. What am I saying here? Well I can’t stand the gators and Uf and I wish them nothing but tragedy.

I am sure whoever Meyer brought in and I can’t remember his name, we will be told he is much more adept than Fisher but apparently FSU was riding the crest of the wave all along.

Judging by how Miss State does this year will give more of a hint. It could be Meyer does not feel comfortable running that offense without Mullen.

by DocHoliday2 on Aug 5, 2009 4:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Great info in this thread.

I love these recruiting threads. Joyner and Green are the 2 guys I want to see in Garnet and Gold the most. They are both elite prospects imo. The Lattimore news does suck though.

by fsunole23 on Aug 5, 2009 6:05 PM EDT reply actions  

linebacker

From the article- "Linebacker is the biggest need. We have no talent at the position currently. "

I agree this is the shallowest position right now, but what about Holmes Onwukaife?

Along those lines, the Big Board could use some updating on commitments, decommits, etc… wink wink. I think tomahawknation needs to get an unpaid intern from fsu to assist.

by fsu44 on Aug 5, 2009 6:10 PM EDT reply actions  

ahhh

Don’t mind me. It is my job to read everything the opposite of what the person meant to say (currently in this class is what I thought the article was referring to).

by fsu44 on Aug 5, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am truly concerned about Lattimore

If he is truly considered playing for the evil one it might be that his name is stricken from the book of life. There are more things to consider here than staying close to home.

by DocHoliday2 on Aug 5, 2009 6:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice!

I really wanted Lattamore. We will be ok without him, I think he could be a gamechanger. If we get Smiley back, I will feel better.

OH YEAAHH!

by TBfisherman on Aug 6, 2009 9:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Gainer

How bad did he perform at camp? Were there any circumstances that contributed: sick, injured, etc… Lack of effort, or over-hyped talent (neither of these are good)?

I’ve always like him based on his film. I’m a little disappointed in his decline.

by jasonole59 on Aug 5, 2009 7:10 PM EDT reply actions  

2010 big board out of date?

I don’t know if I am seeing something wrong, but it seems the big board is out of date (ie no commits at LB, etc).

by noles55 on Aug 6, 2009 12:38 AM EDT reply actions  

It's still a LONG way to signing day....

If we really want Lattimore, we gotta keep pushing, have Miller and Willis get in his ear. Who though Greg Reid would be apart of the 09 class last Aug?

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by NaGaNole on Aug 6, 2009 7:18 AM EDT reply actions  

NSD

How many kids do you project FSU will sign?

by CSI Nole on Aug 6, 2009 10:32 AM EDT reply actions  

It will be interesting to see how many guys we can count toward 2009

As of right now, we may be able to count 4- McCloud, Smiley, Miller, and Willis. All would be here in January. That would be huge for this class.

by NoleThruandThru on Aug 6, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

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