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What is an H-Back? How will Florida State use its H-Back?

Recently, Florida State Offensive Coordinator (and Head Coach in Waiting and ACC Offensive Coordinator of the Year) Jimbo Fisher discussed his preference for using an extra tight end instead of a fullback.   He'll get his wish this year because Florida State doesn't have a fullback on its roster, due to a pair of off-season departures as a result of laziness and unrealistic expectations.  Instead of a fullback, Fisher prefers to use multiple tight ends.  The second tight end used in the way Fisher prefers, is commonly referred to as an H-Back.  It's come to our attention that many here do not understand what an H-Back does, where he aligns, or why he is called an H-Back.  Here's an explanation.  

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First, I want to clear up a misconception.

  • An H-Back is just a big running back.  FALSE.  An H-Back does not run with the ball (except in the rarest of instances).  

Now that we have that out of the way, we can stop saying that Debrale Smiley is coming to FSU to play H-Back.  He is a big running back, not an H-Back.  But if an H-Back isn't just a big running back, what is it?  

Typically, the H-back is used on teams which employ a one-back, two tight end offense, and will be largely indistinguishable to the casual fan from the tight end.  This is consistent with what Fisher's philosophy.

The tight end will line up in the traditional spots a tight end does, along the line of scrimmage. The h-back does not line up along the line, but further from the line, often in the backfield. The h-back can provide interior blocking much like a traditional fullback would, but will be sent in motion more often, and sent into pass routes more often than a fullback would.

Here's some background on the position:  

The modern two-tight end set was developed by Joe Gibbs and his Redskins staff in the early 1980s. It was created as a countermeasure against 3-4 defenses in general and Lawrence Taylor in particular. Gibbs discovered that an extra tight end on the line of scrimmage was in better position than a fullback to stop Taylor and other elite blitzers.  It also forced Taylor to align wider, thus lengthening the distance between him and the quarterback.  Gibbs soon learned to use the second tight end as an all-purpose blocker: that extra tight end (usually Don Warren, back in the day) might go in motion before the snap to unbalance the offensive line, or he might slip into the backfield as a fullback or sneak into pass patterns. The modern H-back was born.  Portions from: Tanier.  

Here's more from the impressive Denver Bronco's Blog, the Mile High Report

The term H-back basically means, "motion TE." The Skins would typically use 1 RB, 1 TE, 2 WR, and this H-back as their base offensive personnel grouping. The in-line TE would be a bigger, more blocking-focused player. The H-back would be a somewhat more maneuverable type, but still a blocking-focused guy. He would usually line up 1 step behind the line of scrimmage, either outside the in-line TE (double wing,) or outside the weakside Tackle (balanced,) depending on the particular play. He'd frequently go in motion, either taking the offense from the double wing look to a balanced look, or from a balanced look to a double wing look. The famous Redskins Counter Trey usually began from a balanced Ace set, and featured the H-back motioning to the strong side, and sealing the backside edge along with the in-line TE, with the backside Guard & Tackle pulling to the playside to lead the running play.

Offenses need the versatility that the tight ends provide, and multi-tight end sets allow them to mass as many as four eligible receivers near the line of scrimmage. Those extra tight ends give coaches plenty of options in the passing game. But as we'll see, two-tight end sets can also be very efficient when running the ball.

Two-tight end sets place seven blockers on the line of scrimmage. Most defenses operate on a base 4-3 scheme. A seven-on-four battle in the trenches puts the defense at a severe disadvantage.  The two-tight end set not only allows teams to mass blockers at the line of scrimmage, but it allows them to disguise the direction of a play.  When possible, defensive coordinators move one or more linebackers down to the line of scrimmage to create a 50 front when facing a multi-tight end formation. The seven-on-five matchup gives the defense a fighting chance against the run but it also pigeonholes them into a set look and sometimes makes it difficult to defense the pass.  On that note, expect FSU to actually throw the ball to their tight ends (err, sorry, tight end and H-Back).    

Let's look at that problem from another angle.  Here is the typical offensive line with one tight end.

| LT | LG | C | RG | RT | TE |

The "|'s" are the gaps the defense must defend.  There are 7 gaps for the defense to defend against the typical I formation.

But in an alignment with a TE and an H-Back (no fullback)...

| H-Back | LT | LG | C | RG | RT | TE |

We see there is an extra gap to defend.  This presents problems for defenses because they have to show their hand much earlier, as discussed above.

There are hundreds of ways to exploit the presence of an extra tight end. They can give the offense a numbers advantage at the line of scrimmage, force a defense to guess the direction of the play, go in motion to mass blockers at the point of attack, extend the offensive line to allow play-side tackles to pull, or loop inside to block inside on delays or draws. 

To learn more about how the H-Back is used in the pass game, check out this link.  I want to highlight a few things Tanier shows that I have seen FSU do and can see FSU using this year.

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via www.footballoutsiders.com

FSU actually used this formation a good bit last year, typically using one of its fullbacks at the 2nd tight end position.  Mike said (edited by me):  

These "tight" receivers are in great position to attack the weaknesses in two-deep coverage schemes. One receiver's route options are shown in the diagram. A cornerback aligned head-up on the receiver is vulnerable to a corner route, while a cornerback with a wider split (one who may have zone responsibilities) is vulnerable to a hitch. The tight formation gives the receiver extra room to run after he makes his break on the corner route or other sideline routes.  The Patriots, Chargers, Bucs (under Gruden), and Colts all do a great job of using multiple tight end formations.

Defenses frequently use two-deep coverage schemes to combat two-tight end formations. The threat of a deep seam route forces defensive coordinators to play it safe against tight ends who can run. The threat of the seamer opens up other options for the multi-tight end offense.

Mike doesn't mention this, because it's not an FSU article, but FSU destroyed two-deep defenses last year with the run game (except a few which just ragdolled the youngest offensive line in the country).  Any alignment that allows FSU to face a two-deep defense while using Non-Spread personnel is a good thing.

I strongly encourage you to visit the link and read about the play titled "Cowboys Double Cross."  You will see something like that this year from the 'Noles.

Finally, I want to highlight one other thing from Tanier's piece:

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via www.footballoutsiders.com

This is something that FSU fans could see this year.  This is a formation with 2 WR, 2 TE (1 TE & 1 H-Back), and one running back.  Teams will want to defend this with standard 4-3 personnel.  The wideouts on the left represent an excellent opportunity to run the smash concept.  This personnel is quite balanced and the defense doesn't know whether to expect run or pass.  Watch what happens, however, when FSU shifts a running back with great hands (Jermaine Thomas or Chris Thompson) out wide (see squiggly lines in diagram above).  The defense is now in quite the bind.  They really wish that they were in Nickel Personnel (extra defensive back).  Add the running dimension of Ponder, and most college defenses are not set up to defend this.  Of course, being able to put 4 and 5 guys out into the pass pattern is predicated on being able to pass protect without help from tight ends or running backs.  College football fans will remember USC abusing Virginia Tech with this play at 4:21 of this clip:

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Who are some well known H-Backs?

Chris Cooley, of the Washington Redskins is a very good example, as is Dallas Clark of the Indianapolis Colts, and whoever the Patriots are using at the moment.


Who Will Be FSU's H-Back?

Jabarris Little, Beau Reliford, and maybe Matt Dunham.  That's not to say the first two won't also play tight end.  They are just more suited for the H-Back role than say, Caz Piurowski.  

How can I tell my friends about this?  Easy.  Just say an H-Back is a smaller tight end who blocks more based on quickness and angles than a normal in-line tight end.  He can quickly change the strength of the formation and affords the offense more versatility than a fullback.  Remember though, that the H-Back does not run with the ball.  

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Extremely informative!!!

I suppose now I can see why NFL and draft analysts wanna put Tebow there if/when he goes pro.

by truenole87 on Aug 7, 2009 2:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Read

Really great read. Simple, concise and entertaining. Great job!!

by FSU on Aug 7, 2009 2:31 PM EDT reply actions  

So does an H-back run with the ball?

How many times should we expect the H-back to carry it?

by PBD on Aug 7, 2009 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

While I'm being a smartass...

What’s the difference between a half-back and a tail-back?

by PBD on Aug 7, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

there’s no rule that prohibits the H-back from carrying the ball. In Joe Gibb’s version of the H-back in his first stint with the Redskins, the person would line up in the backfield a handful of plays per game, mostly in short yardage and some goal line. The guy might get anywhere from 0-2 carries per game.

by Wild@Heart Nole on Aug 7, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Real ? this time...

Does the ‘H’ stand for something?

by PBD on Aug 7, 2009 2:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Before the advent of the forward pass...

teams ran the ball every play and a typical formation was this…

the offensive line
the quarter back (who is 1/4 of the way behind the line)
two half backs (who were 1/4 behind the qb)
and one full back (who was 1/2 behind the halfbacks)

The names have stayed around, but the positions and roles have changed.

by coonhound on Aug 7, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

H-back should not be confused with half-back

The H stands for Hybrid – the role was initially conceived as a hybrid of the TE and fullback.

by Wild@Heart Nole on Aug 7, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I get it I get it.

Well It looks like a good idea but, this is a dif offense then the spread so does this mean we are going to run 2 or 3 different offenses. This seems more like a west coast thing or a big10 type.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Aug 7, 2009 2:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes and no. The H-back allows an offense to be multiple. Think of it from a defenses persepective. The H-back could be used for effective blocking of an OLB or run a route. If you don’t have a LB that can shed block and move well in space you have a problem. Do you put in an extra DB to defend the pass? Do you bring up an extra safety to defend the run? For the offense it’s almost like cheating yourself into a 6 or 7 man front yet the defense is unsure when that will happen.

I’m really interested the year to see how our TE’s are used. I’m assuming Caz will be the blocking TE but it would be nice to see him split out wide for the possible crack back on bubble screens, end arounds, and reverses. How many DBs are going to want to go up against him and concern themselves with the play? Also I’m interested to see how this plays in with a 2 RB backfield. The Noles could easily come out in a power formation and motion to a poor man’s spread offense). This could give defensive coordinators something more to think about.

by evenflow58 on Aug 7, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Blocking Scheme

Does the line up of the H-Back mesh well with the zone blocking used by the o-line on run plays? Or is there a different blocking strategy when running out of an h-back formation?

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by onebarrelrum on Aug 7, 2009 2:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Very well actually

Zone blocking teams almost never run from a traditional I. It’s almost always from an off-set I formation to help the RB read the combo block.

by Bud Elliott on Aug 7, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Colts

Yep I think we will look very similar to the Colts – with the added part that both of our QBs can run and you have to account for them.

People forget that Jimbo earlier on in his career was mentioned several times as an NFL Offensive coordinator candidate.

by FSU on Aug 7, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s a spread concept that coaches have morphed into a more traditional set.

by evenflow58 on Aug 7, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love the ability

to align with 2 receivers, 1 TE, 1 H-Back, and one RB and effectively go 5 wide against a 4-3 base defense, while still having the threat of a qb draw.

Bring on the wheel routes.

by fsu44 on Aug 7, 2009 2:58 PM EDT reply actions  

but the TE and h-backs are not all that fast

Whos running the wheels

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Aug 7, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd also like to see

pony formation, zone read with the following choices:

a) handoff left
b) qb run
c) option right
d) same play, but fake the handoff and let the left side hb run a route into the flats or a wheel.

I need to go play some NCAA asap.

by fsu44 on Aug 7, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, this could just as well be titled:

“Hey Nolethruandthru, wake up and get a clue!”

Let me explain myself. I played middle/high school football in Colorado Springs, CO. Our team didn’t have enough players/athletes to enable us to just play one side of the ball- we had to play on both sides to make sure and have enough quality players out there to compete.

Our offense was mainly a traditional, 2 WR/ 1 TE/ 1 HB/ 1 RB. We used the H-back (interchangeable with the term “fullback”) as a blocker, a runner, and a pass-catching threat out of the backfield. Our coach called it a “H-back” because the player was a Helluva-BACK (get it?). The guy had to be stocky and strong, but also fast, good hands, and a bulldozer at RB for short yardage, counter treys or even sweeps. The guy who played H-Back for us would often be a middle or strong side LB on defense. Seemed to work well.

I guess I’ve never really explored other H-back offenses because it never applied to FSU until recently. I’ve been operating under the terminology of my high school’s old offense.

My apologies for spreading any incorrect information or bringing a light of incompetence to this website.

by NoleThruandThru on Aug 7, 2009 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

No offense taken at all!

But I’m glad this was posted for knucklehead like me who need a frame of reference!!

by NoleThruandThru on Aug 7, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

No apologies needed at all.

I was actually working on this article for a while because I wanted to explain how Dan Schneider would fit into our offense, but he committed to Pitt.

Then I worked on it more when Marcus Sims and Seddrick Holloway left the team.

Really enjoy you writing for us and posting here. Cheers!

by Bud Elliott on Aug 7, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im not sore sure about this.

How bacd are we hurting ourselfs. I thought we want to get the best players on the field at once. Do we realy need to have all this going in and not using the spread. We have do good WR also. this stuff is great for running but you are putting slower players in that LB can cover. I dont see how its going to a 5wide look vs a 4-3

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Aug 7, 2009 3:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Spread

I think we’ll have “spread” elements. But were still going to use a lot more NFL TE/ H-Back stuff.

As much as we call Jimbo an operator of the spread. I think of him more as a multiple guy like at LSU.

by FSU on Aug 7, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Phil vs. Form

I’d disagree – I’d say it’s both. The formation AND what you choose to do out of it. A lot of times commentators say “Spread” as though Texas Tech, West Virginia, Florida are all the same. Though we know they’re not – The common denominator only being a formation that makes you initially defend the width of the field.

by FSU on Aug 7, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with this. The spread seems to me to be more of a formation than a philosophy as noted by the Spread and Shred (formaly) run at WVU and UF and the Air Raid run at at Texas Tech and Hawaii (now SMU). FSU will still spread the field but with a different formation. The H-back should run enough routes to keep the defense honest.

by evenflow58 on Aug 7, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hit the nail on the head again.

Good read!

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by Buc Wild on Aug 7, 2009 3:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Coming full circle.

Sorta’. Gibbs used to coach at FSU.

by FiestaNole on Aug 7, 2009 3:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Parcells

And Parcells … another advocate of TE play

by FSU on Aug 7, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I’m sure by the start of the UM game the defense will have seen the play that was so successful last year by the tight end enough to have planned some way of stopping it. If I were Fisher that play would be run at the defense at least 5-6 times a practice. Be nice to see us use it on someone else for a change.

"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein

by Olbrannon on Aug 7, 2009 3:14 PM EDT reply actions  

I really doubt anything will change. It just wouldn’t be a Mickey Andrews defense if we actually started covering the tight end.

by 38Noles on Aug 8, 2009 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree that having a H-back on the field is not having the best players on the field.

H-backs do not have to have lights out speed to be extremely productive, nor the hands of a great wide receiver nor the elusive running style of a running back. Instead, he must be a physical presence that can block and spring plays, catch a few dumpoff passes and make good positive yardage but most importantly become something the defense cannot always account for in a line up. It is utterly gut wrenching to call the correct defense against an offense, play great assignments, have great pass coverage on the wideouts only to have a dump off pass to a TE, who has released his block, go rumbling, bumbling, stumbling down the field for 17 yards and take the wind out of the poor CB or safety who had to tackle them.

I really hope that the person they choose for the H-back has that attitude of wanting to bring pain to whomever encounters them. I know Shockey was a true TE but he had that attitude, he loved to hit, loved to humiliate a defender who dared tackled him. It was a demoralizing effect on the defense and served a role well beyond just TE.

So long story short, he doesn’t have to be the best of the best, but when it comes to physical violence, he should love no crave it. I always think of Jacob Hester (LSU) when I think H-back. He liked the hitting, the violence of the sport….I think that is crucial for this person. Perhaps Trickett will get to coach this guy and create that mean spirit I believe you need.

by diablonole on Aug 7, 2009 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I really hope that the person they choose for the H-back has that attitude of wanting to bring pain to whomever encounters them. I know Shockey was a true TE but he had that attitude, he loved to hit, loved to humiliate a defender who dared tackled him. It was a demoralizing effect on the defense and served a role well beyond just TE.

Sounds a bit like Caz to me. While I wouldn’t say Caz brings the pain I would say he will do what’s needed of him and do it at a high enough level.

by evenflow58 on Aug 7, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope you are right

I hope that Caz has acquired that mean streak from being on the OL for a while. Think about him in the flats catching a small crossing pattern and then nothing but a green field ahead of him and a small CB or safety to stop him. How would you like to be that CB 5’10 or so maybe 200 or a safety who is just a little bigger seeing him run “AT” you not away from you to run you over. I rewatched the game with UF last year and there was a play where the " Virginator" broke out into the open with nothing but the end zone in front of him and Michael Ray Garvin to stop him……Garvin tackled him but it did not go well. I swear that the shot of Garvin’s face after the tackle was that of pain. I know the “Circumsizor” is a QB but he is built like a NFL TE. My point being, after a TE or H-back is into the secondary….the size mismatch becomes sometimes extreme. We need to take full advantage of it.

by diablonole on Aug 7, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

So we will the formations with the H-back take the place of our I formatons where we used the FB

If so then we will still have a lot of Shotgun and pony. I hope Miami is ready because we are going in there trying something new that could work very well. I hate to run something new right off the bat like that. But if all else fails we go back to the other stuff

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Aug 7, 2009 4:10 PM EDT reply actions  

2 questions

I am assuming we will still use a traditional FB in goal line situations, who might that be? Also, any hope this will influence better TE coverage from our defense? Please?

by tidonuts09 on Aug 7, 2009 4:12 PM EDT reply actions  

my answers

1) probably not, I think Jimbo stated that he will ine up Caz like a fullback if that is what he feels is necessary.

2) don’t hold your breath on that one. The main reason in my opinion why we don’t cover the tight end has to do with disciplined, assignment football, something that our defense doesn’t seem to be taught.

by fsu44 on Aug 7, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love these articles

A site that actually explains formations, plays, or positions. Imagine that. Not like some other site that has been discussed that only drops names, rumors, and makes you pay.

by Noles93 on Aug 7, 2009 4:38 PM EDT reply actions  

you know there is something we did in that game I loved

There was a play where all 3 LB came up to the line like a blitz and it looked like 7 were on the rush then they all droped I love that look then they drop back and DW got the INT. Our LB also timed blitz in that game better than Ive seen in a long time. I think that is something we need big time this year.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Aug 7, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Watching vid of the 2nd half gives me heartburn…

by CSI Nole on Aug 7, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

How bout some three tight end sets?

I would love to see us line up in some three tight end sets from our opponents 40 on in with caz and reliford on the line and fortson as the H back on reliford’s side. no way they can defend reliford and fortson bunched together with a reciever to the outside.

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by spear72 on Aug 7, 2009 5:59 PM EDT reply actions  

I would like Read on the outside because he is a bigger guy

and I think hes a better blocker. The only bad thing Is that would not be good for passing I think. Running maybe but why have them in and pass with slow people when we can pass with better players on the field.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Aug 7, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

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