Florida State Prepares for Miami and Releases Depth Chart -Fixed and Updated!
First up, I did Bud Elliott Tomahawk Nation Fox Sports Radio the other day. [That's an audio link, and it is safe for work]. It went pretty well, though I meant to say Christian Ponder averaged 4 first downs per game, not 4 total first downs gained on the year, obviously.
The good news coming out of Saturday's scrimmage is that there are no new injuries. DT's Budd Thacker (toe) and Kendrick Stewart (knee) were held out for precautionary reasons, as was freshman DE/DT DeMonte McAlllister. I expect Stewart to play against Miami and Thacker should be back in time, but that is not a definite.
Mickey Andrews indicated that backup Free Safety Terrance Parks will be out for at least two more weeks with a lingering hamstring injury. Jamey Robinson really needs to stay healthy.
Oh, and the big news was that the coaches finally released a depth chart (practices are closed, so nobody could officially know what was going on, though there are obviously leaks). Inside, we discuss the depth chart
This is not final and will almost certainly change.
First up, is the Seminoles top rated ACC offense of a year ago:
Z WR – Richard Goodman, Sr., 6-0/215
Jarmon Fortson, Soph., 6-3/228
LT – Andrew Datko, Soph., 6-6/291
Rhonne Sanderson, Fr., 6-4/288
LG – Rodney Hudson, Jr., 6-2/292
Blake Snider, Fr., 6-4/282
C – Ryan McMahon, Jr., 6-3/286
A.J. Ganguzza, Soph., 6-3/268
RG – David Spurlock, Soph., 6-5/288
Brandon Davis, Jr., 6-2/281
RT – Zebrie Sanders, Soph., 6-5/290
Garrett Faircloth, Fr., 6-6/288
TE – Caz Piurowski, Sr., 6-7/262
Beau Reliford, Soph., 6-7/241
QB – Christian Ponder, Jr., 6-3/222
E.J. Manuel, Fr., 6-4/223
FB – Ja’Baris Little, Soph., 6-4/226
Daniel Gard, Jr., 5-10/212
TB – Jermaine Thomas, Soph., 6-1/195
Ty Jones, Soph., 5-11/208
or Chris Thompson, Fr., 5-8/173
X WR – Rod Owens, Sr., 6-0/183
Bert Reed, Soph., 5-11/165
- Incorrect player weights. For instance, we know Ponder is 222 and Caz is 260, and Fortson is probably closer to 230 than 223. Datko is 290, not 283. So yeah, these are the weights from the Spring. Nice of FSU to update them for us (sarcasm). I updated them were applicable.
- You'll note that FSU lists a fullback. I find that curious and continue to believe that they will use that "fullback" as an H-back.
- Seniors at wideout. Goodman and Owens have set the tone witht he most consistent camp, running the correct routes, catching balls, etc, so they will start. This coaching staff (unlike the defense) will start the best player regardless of senority, so I trust them.
- Tavares Pressley isn't healthy, and as we told you time and again, don't expect performance out of a runner coming off that type of injury in his first season back.
- Chris Thompson was so electric in his performance during camp before busting his ankle that he is tied for 2nd on the DC. Pryor should redshirt but will likely get some garbage minutes. All of the backs need to fix their pass protection issues.
- The loser of the Spurlock/ Davis battle will be the backup at both guard positions.
- Sanderson is the real backup at both tackle positions.
Jimbo Fisher notes that his offense only has three scholarship seniors, starting or otherwise. (and all three are easily replaced after this season). If the offense was the conference's best last year, what can we expect this year and in 2010? We've been pointing out thr youth of this team for month, but when Fisher says it, it resonates with you so we link it.
What might we do with our H-Back? Michigan is doing this:
To counter that "scrape" technique (see article below defense depth chart)
The Wolverines have practiced with a tight end (typically Kevin Koger or Martell Webb) lined up in the backfield as an H-back to the playside. When the team runs the zone-read play, the H-back pulls across, but doesn't block the crashing defensive end. He'll take the linebacker scraping over the top, or if there isn't a defender assigned to the QB keep, he'll work upfield to the next defender.
I imagine this scheme only works really well when the defense is trying to run this scrape technique, and will primarily be used only when the offensive coaching staff expects it from the defense. H/t- Tim
Ponder appears to be displaying that ability in preseason practice. In FSU's first two full scrimmages, working against the second-team defense, he passed for a combined 520 yards on 27-of-36 passing. He threw seven touchdown passes with no interceptions.
``Obviously, it all starts with them,'' Ponder said of the offensive linemen. ``If they didn't give me time, those deep balls wouldn't be completed. They're doing a good job.''When he drops back from center, the junior quarterback said he no longer feels the need to peek over his shoulder to see if he is the target of an approaching pass-rusher. He simply makes his reads, plants his feet, steps forward in the pocket and delivers his throws.
``That blind side is hard to deal with,'' Ponder said. ``When you have a left tackle and a left guard like Rodney and Datko, it makes things a lot better. It gives me more comfort in setting my feet, and that's something I struggled with last year. Now I can sit in the pocket and stay comfortable. I'm not running a lot like I did last year. I'm staying in there.''
-not looking to run as much as he did last year. He’d like to protect his body. But, he said, if he has to run he will run. He is looking to stay in the pocket longer.
-Ponder isn’t a yeller – "I don’t feel like I have to raise my voice," he says – but says he has gotten on some of his teammates this preseason. That’s a sign of him developing as a leader.
He's very confident against Miami.
-though Ponder is likely to spend more time in the pocket, Fisher says he doesn’t want to eliminate Ponder’s ability to run.
-the pass blocking has come a good ways, Fisher said, but it also helps that receivers are doing a better job running the correct routes.
-It’s "wait and see" to see if E.J. Manuel will be used in some sort of creative way, or if he’ll be a more traditional back-up. They have a package in place for Manuel, but Fisher said he’s going to wait and see how things go in practice this week.
-going back to the Miami game last year, Fisher said that game helped show him that Ponder is a winner. Remember that fourth-quarter scramble for a first down? Ponder can process information and he’s conscientious, Fisher said. He cares.
DEFENSE
If you're in the "the defense will be fine crowd", I suggest you take another look.
LE – Craig Yarborough, Sr., 6-2/236
Toshmon Stevens, Fr., 6-5/228
DT – Moses McCray, Soph., 6-2/291
Everett Dawkins, So, 6-2/262
NT – Kendrick Stewart, Sr., 6-2/278
Jacobbi McDaniel, Fr., 6-0/288
RE – Markus White, Jr., 6-4/261
Brandon Jenkins, Fr., 6-2/240
SLB – Dekoda Watson, Sr., 6-2/228
Nigel Carr, Soph., 6-3/230
MLB – Kendall Smith, Jr., 6-1/224
Nigel Carr, Soph., 6-3/230*
WLB – Nigel Bradham, Soph., 6-2/235
Maurice Harris, Soph., 6-0/212
CB – Ochuko Jenije, Jr., 5-10/188
Dionte Allen, Soph., 5-11/172
CB – Patrick Robinson, Sr., 5-11/194
A.J. Alexander, Fr., 5-11/180
FS – Jamie Robinson, Sr., 6-2/188
Justin Bright, Fr., 6-0/180
or Chad Colley, Soph., 5-11/166
RV – Korey Mangum, Sr., 6-0/202
Nick Moody, Fr., 6-2/228
- The starters are okay for the most part, but the backups are terrible, and this defense could easily be crippled by a single injury to a defensive lineman or a linebacker. There are many problems with this defense, including hiring cronies instead of the best possible coaches, lack of recruiting and a recruiting plan in 2006 and 2007, an outdated scheme, stressing aggression over discipline, blaming the players instead of the coaches, and the battle between Andrews in the program (should be in youth movement but he's trying to win now, because it is his last season before he goes to raise his son's kids, etc).
- Jodey Allen is a horrible defensive ends coach. He can't hold Jim Gladden's jock. For him to be giving snaps to Yarborough, even for motivational purposes, is inexcuseable. Allen never played or coached defensive ends before being gifted the job by Bowden. It has not worked out well as they continue to be incredibly undersized and undisciplined.
- The Yarborough pick is annoying. I was asked about starting a walk-on defensive end a few days ago, this was my response:
Senior walkon. This Senority above all other stuff at the expense of talent angers me. Jody Allen is a terrible coach who will not be around much longer. Seriously the worst coach, but not the lightning rod Amato is. Oh and he coordinates our putrid coverage units as well. Prepare for a year of bad defense. I won’t sugarcoat it. Bad coaching from coaches who no longer have or never had the ability or the drive. I expect to be a bottom half defense in the ACC and outside the top 40 for the first time in my lifetime. Prepare for the worst Mickey Andrews Defense ever. It could happen. They will blame it on injury but their poor player evaluation and recruiting have created a situation where any injury is crippling. The key to a great defense is quality depth, and FSU doesn't have any depth, much less quality depth. I'm not hoping for good, I am hoping to skirt disaster.
- Yes, I understand that this could be motivational in order to light a fire under Senior Kevin McNiel, who showed up to camp out of shape. I buy it to an extent, but not fully, because Yarborough has been getting significant reps in practice. If he plays, FSU is in trouble, because they will once against get run over as teams realize the 'Noles are entirely too small.
- The depth along the defensive line is inexcuseable. This is a result of injuries, but moreso, poor recruiting by the lame duck defensive staff. They slacked in 2006 and 2007 and as a result, they have crippled this team's depth. FSU is now depending on a freshman and sophomore defensive tackle tandem to start and play well. While talented, it's likely they will get worked in some games.
- I replaced Recardo Wright with Nigel Carr. No way would Recardo Wright get into the game over him as the backup middle linebacker.
- Don't worry about Jenijie. He played well last year. Greg Reid will start at Nickel corner (effectively, is FSU's 3rd corner). If Jenijie or Robinson go down, Reid slides in.
- I do worry about Mangum at rover, a lot. The problem here, however, is that nobody even came close to outplaying him. You can't start a freshman over a senior when the freshman hasn't given you any readon to do so, right? Mostly because of injuries and inexperience, guys like Harley and Moody never put it all together this fall camp. Mangum isn't big, but he has good tackling technique and could be serviceable, though he will not be Myron Rolle.
- The entire secondary will receive a lot of blame for things that aren't their fault this year as Andrews' silly outdated scheme continues to put way too much pressure on them.
Mickey Andrews says his defense is young: In this article, Andrews tells Steve Ellis that 13 of the top 22 will be freshmen or sophomores. However, when you count it up, it looks like 12. In any case, his defense was very veteran last season and didn't live up to expectations. Andrews is no longer a good teacher and seeing as this will be his last year, it will be very interesting to see if he can field a competent defense with this group. The blame for the youthful nature of the defense falls on Andrews' 2006 and 2007 recruiting failures, because he is the defensive coordinator.
Here is a good article on defending the zone read- something Mickey Andrews and his staff have not been able to deal with at all (7 yards per play allowed).
Mickey's press-conference wrap up
-Team is super young and fast but not strong or disciplined. Fastest ever. Super fast.
-Andrews said the problems in covering the tight ends in recent years – Miami took advantage of this last season – was a lack of discipline.
-Greg Reid will start in the Seminoles’ nickel package. FSU has four freshmen, Reid included, who could see time in the secondary. Reid is probably the furthest along, Andrews said. Andrews: "Greg knows how to finish plays."
I am impressed by the progress of the young guys, but they have to progress because there are no upperclassmen.
SPECIALISTS
PK – Dustin Hopkins, Fr., 6-2/174
James Esco, Soph., 6-3/207
KO – Dustin Hopkins, Fr., 6-2/174
P – Shaun Powell, Soph., 6-5/217
Kevin Campbell, Jr., 6-0/190
DS – Zack Aronson, Sr., 6-2/218
Chris Revell, Fr., 6-0/207
HO – Shaun Powell, Soph., 6-5/217
PR – Bert Reed, Soph., 5-11/165
or Greg Reid, Fr., 5-9/175
KR – Patrick Robinson, Sr., 5-11/194
Taiwan Easterling, Soph., 5-11/187
- It's absolutely ridiculous for Patrick Robinson, the top cornerback in the nation, the best football player on the team, and the most important player on defense, to be risking injury by returning kicks. Again, Jodey Allen should not have a job in major college football, and definitely not with the 'Noles.
- The punt return unit could be particularly nasty.
- The total lack of depth at linebacker will hur the 'Noles coverage units, which were alreay awful last year (68th nationally!). Thanks again, defensive coaches.
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What about Sanders and Warrick?
“It’s absolutely ridiculous for Patrick Robinson, the top cornerback in the nation, the best football player on the team, and the most important player on defense, to be risking injury by returning kicks. Again, Jodey Allen should not have a job in major college football, and definitely not with the ’Noles. "
Really? So then Deion Sanders and Peter Warrick shouldn’t have been returning kicks either, right? Every play of every football game is a risk for injury, Robinson at returner might be the difference maker for 1 or 2 games this year, and the Noles need that help.
"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't." - General George S. Patton
Back then we had much better depth. This team doesn't have that luxury.
And we don’t have a schedule with 3 great teams and 8 garbage teams anymore. This is the toughest schedule in the country. Losing Robinson is worth at least a game.
And we’ve seen nothing to indicate that PR is even in the ball
My point is that you can talk about depth and risk all you want, but he can just as easily get hurt making a tackle or coming down awkwardly on a pickoff.
"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't." - General George S. Patton
CC, this is simple math. The more plays he is involved in, the more opportunities he has to get injured.
More plays = more opportunities for injury.
Love Ya but some times the math is overboard
Not sticking up for Allen, cause I have no Idea, but sometimes you gotta go with the ones you got.
Yeah, right!
Thing is
we’ve got plenty of guys we can put back there. None of them are as important to the team as the guy we have back there now.
Swagger, Intensity, Execution
True enough
But fielding punts early on against the likes of Miami, BYU away, and USF emotional, is no job for a youngster! IMO
Yeah, right!
We played almost half the season last year without him
not much change in his backups readiness this year…
Yeah, right!
That doesn't mean last year was acceptable either.
And there was an established, veteran corner opposite of him.
Completely agree.
Come on, fellas. This makes sense. We’ve got PLENTY of options for KR right now. Absolutely no reason to take the risk. Plus, I don’t ever recall P Rob ever looking like Peter Warrick or Deon fielding kicks.
by Fire Machine on Sep 2, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
If P Rob was Reggie Bush running back kicks
Maybe you try it, but he’s not. Is he really that much better than Alexander, Reid, Reed, etc?
BALL SECURITY is what I'm saying.
Perhaps if we just don’t loose on special teams we can win on offense in the first 4
Yeah, right!
He was fine last year
And the point is, even if he does, we have more guys we can put in the slot than we do guys that can play #1 corner
Swagger, Intensity, Execution
He looks like he's close to putting the ball in the dirt every time he fields it
I’m not worried about his health either…ball security.
Yeah, right!
no un upperclassman who's not a tooth pick...
should be better at catching a punt with two gunners at full speed. Reed caught punts he shouldn’t have, and can’t do that at his size.
Yeah, right!
Anybody but P-Rob
Should be the ones catching punts with, as you say, “two gunners at full speed” coming right at him
Swagger, Intensity, Execution
What's all this PR talk?
Robinson is listed at KR. I agree with FSUn though, remember that Tony Carter got hurt returning punts? How about Louis Givins?
OH YEAAHH!
Bert was terrible last year at PR
Made bad decisions on when to let it go and when not to. Bad decisions on when to call fair catch and when not to. and nearly muffed quite a few.
Let Reid, Harley, or someone we don’t necessarrily depend on do PR.
I disagree
He could very well be Reggie Bush back there. Patrick Robinson is probably our most talented player on the team with the ball in his hands and the player on our team with the best ball skills – and those players are usually put at KR and PR.
But we can’t afford him injured. We’re one injury away at DL, LB, and DB from this becoming a defense that will cost us bad.
Most talented with the ball in his hands?
I’d have to disagree. Either way I agree there is no way we can risk him
great let's don't kill our sure handed good decision maker who's never made it
through a year anyway. Let’s kill our tru frosh gem of a corner who hasn’t spent an entire off-season in our weight room.
Next Year
Yeah, right!
case-in-point
didn’t P-Rob get injured on a KR last year?
Let’s put somebody who has talent and we can afford to be out of the game.
Reid, Harley, Thompson
I think we have better options at kick returner
We have some talented freshmen that are amazing with the ball in their hands. Give Reid, Alexander, or Allen a chance to return. I’ve never seen PRob out there with Deion moves….
The history of P-Rob
He was injured on a special teams play last year, and he got creamed (and injured) while returning an INT against NC State in 2007. Still worth it?
people who consistently get hurt in football consistently get hurt in football anyway.
chinese football proverb.
he’s never lasted more than 3/4 of a year anyway.
Yeah, right!
So if they play 65 plays they are just as likely to get injured as if they play 70 plays?
by Bud Elliott on Sep 1, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
In my experience if a guy takes more than one major injury and can't play through it
he’s going to get hurt again anyway…bank on it. Not sure if it’s genetic, how hard the were on their bodies as kids or what… but their are guys who are just going to get hurt over and over again…he seems like one to me.
Yeah, right!
Your right I'm not on either side here just "anti-group" thinking and saying there may
be more that goes into the decision.
Yeah, right!
Ah but this (picking a punt returner) is a bit more subjective than the
usual black and white stuff. I’m just saying there are alot of ways to skin the proverbial who should return punts cat.
Obviously we agree to disagree (sort of since I’m undesided)
Yeah, right!
I would venture to guess
that it’s easier to get hurt when you’re the one being tackled.
Right but
I’ve been around football my whole life (like you guys) and we all know their are guys with weak whatever’s (ankles, knees, ribs, skulls). These guys are strong, flexible, fast, coordinated but just seem to keep nagging injuries that put them on the sidelines.
Yeah, right!
they could play ping pong and hurt their wrist putting them out for 3 weeks.
this is what I’m talking about….PRod stays out.
Yeah, right!
Primetime and pdub were unreal
in those situations. Unless patrick robinson has had an awakening, the risk reward calculation is different. Prob wasn’t our go to guy for kick returns last year; even after he came back he had only 4 ko returns the entire year (although he did average 28 yds/return). The lack of depth behind him is the cause for concern, not just the added risk of injury.
by fsu44 on Sep 1, 2009 3:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Let me clarify… Sanders and Warrick returned punts, which to me is even more open and defenseless than kickoffs, and can provide back breaking points to a team.
"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't." - General George S. Patton
I don't know that that's true.
I don’t know the stats on it, but I would venture to guess more injuries happen on KR. Punt Return would seem more dangerous as you are vulnerable, but with kicks to the sideline, fair catches, etc. there is a lot more opportunity to escape crowds of people than KR. KR typically take it up the wedge where there is a lot of traffic, resulting in far more rolled ankles and such. Just a theory.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
Dont know if you ever returned kicks or punts
But I did and kickoffs are way more dangerous than punts. If a guy is getting on you to soon returning punts you just fair catch it. On kickoffs unless its kicked to an up back you dont see very many fair catches. Not going to get long winded on the topic but NO WAY should Prob be returning kicks we have other guys who can do that very well. If he gets hurt making a tackle on D thats fine but to risk him anywhere else is criminal.
I have but bert doesn't fair catch is my point also I don't care as much about health...
I’m on the Ball Security band wagon today.
Yeah, right!
PS
Other guys are returnig kicks we’re talking punt with PRob so this might even serve to rienforce my point.
Yeah, right!
One other thing
I like Hopkins a lot, but starting a freshman kicker against Miami has hero or goat written all over it.
"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't." - General George S. Patton
Yeah as usual
the statistics only say so much. I agree, that often it is a good option that coaches don’t consider, but I witness a season based on going for it on 4th down after Janikowski left, and it doesn’t work out so well all of the time, especially when you don’t get to cherry pick a 4th and short situation every time.
"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't." - General George S. Patton
You know we'll be kicking it
b/c old habits die hard & Bobby wants to win it on a kick to punish UM for all the stolen NCs.
We could ruin his career
much like Xavier Beita claimed.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
(sarcasm)
If a K career is ruined because of one bad kick, his career never was.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
Kickers
are psycho. Everyone knows that. One bad kick, can kill their fragile little minds.
"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't." - General George S. Patton
Kickers that aren't any good
The mentally tough kickers are the ones that rise above the others and have longer and more stable careers (this was my whole point, sorry if it was lost in the sarcasm)
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
No, I got the sarcasm
I just disagree. Kickers are psycho, always. Except John Hall, because Bill Parcells said he wasn’t one of those psycho kickers.
"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't." - General George S. Patton
Speaking of kickers
It is disappointing to hear that Gano might not make the Ravens squad. He is 1-3 in FGA. He is better than that, hopefully he gets a chance somewhere.
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
What do you mean?
Just got done listening to your radio spot, great job.
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
I actually went over to Baltimore Beatdown
and asked them about this (because of the Bucs predicament). They said that Gano has looked good in practice, but they have two young guys. He said Gano will probably lose the battle, but gave it a good run and is certain that he will land a job in short time.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
Per “Raven” from Baltimore Beatdown
Either way we lose when letting one of these young kickers go. They both have huge upsides and it’s a scary though that the one that gets let go becomes a star. I don’ think our management knows who to keep. Either way, they both will end up on a team and play. Flip a coin at this point. I like Hauschka because he’s got tenure and deserves a chance.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
Defense
So Bud, honestly, what do you think about the defense? (sarcasm)
Press X to Ask LEE CORSO
L2, L2 damnit!
"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't." - General George S. Patton
I've heard you can turn off the fatigue
and Budd Thacker is still soft, slow, out of shape and gasping for air in the fourth quarter.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
He is a good 4th or 5th DT
Just not worthy of valuable playing time IMO.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
True, but really as more of a give a guy a breath or worst-case scenario.
When do we hear about who gets redshirted?
Curious about McCallister. While I don’t know if hes ready, I wonder how far along he is and if he would be able to contribute if need be (obviously you can yank guys redshirts).
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
thats cold man
The truth hurts. Someone call Zake Morris we need a time out.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
Terrance Parks
After recovering from a nagging hammy, would be take the #2 spot behind J. Rob? I never thought I’d see J. Bright as his backup. Our depth chart on D worries me a bit
Great defense breakdown....
most articles I have read on it are superficial and provide little real insight.
Mickey is a legend….but he has been done for 3 years or so. He has basically quit (especially in recruiting).
Nobody points out that FSU is short what? 10 scholarships or so and had JUCO DE stud Jean Pierre fall in our lap and we turned him down. How does our DE group look now? This defensive staff couldn’t fall into water if they fell out of a boat. They are just total imcompetent at this point.
Point on defensive recruiting...
thank god Jimbo is running the show there and making sure we sign numbers. Especially at DL and LB.
If only we get a new DC in QUICK (ie early Dec), so we can wrap it up without issue.
FSUn, if size matters, then you better add about another 200 lbs to Sanders.
Just sayin’.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
Taiwan Easterling
Why is he not even in the line up. I think that Reed and Easterling are the best WR we have and Easterling is not in the line up. ??? I know they want him in the slot but I think he should get something.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
The real Depth Chart at WR should be along the lines of
X Bert Reed; Willie Haulstead
Z Jarmon Fortson; Richard Goodman
Y Rod Owens; Taiwan Easterling
I expect us to run a lot more from the spread package against Miami than a traditional pro set – even when running OZ.
Inside zone is that what BC ran that on us last year.
Or was that just what the cut back looks like.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
Inside Zone is predicated
typically on the Center and guards working together to block a specific zone. The C will shed to the next level creating a zone. (Zone is mostly allowing DL to go where they want, it was designed to stop DL when they stunt). The OZ will be around the Tackle. The guard or T will help with the T or TE and one will work to the next level. It’s a lot easier with pictures. In many zone blocking schemes they will leave the backside End unblocked, assuming he can’t make the play. Outsize Zone is not always an option, only in some cases.
Remember they aren’t running “off-tackle.” They are running to an area and the RB has to make a read of where the hole is. You need RB’s with good vision. The Tackle might have an end who releases outside. Therefor the hole is going to be “inside-tackle.”
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
BC ran the zone read
Where the QB reads the unblocked DE on the side the RB starts off on. If the DE crashes down, the QB keeps it and beats the DE to the outside. If the DE is playing more contain, the QB gives it to the RB.
It basically takes the DE out of the play because he can’t make the tackle and isn’t blocked, so if you have 7 blockers vs a 7 man front this play can be deadly because it essentially gives you 7 blockers vs 6 defenders.
Inside zone is a run play that always gives the RB the ball, he finds the right hole somewhere between the tackles.
by tdchrisdavis on Sep 1, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty good read until you got to the defensive side...
I just thought you let your hatred of the d coaches influence your opinion.
On paper its not that bad and I think come mid season everyone will have enough exp to hold there own. But I haven’t had the chance to see most of these kids play and am generally optomistic.
I don’t have a problem with Prob returning kicks either…you want your best man out there with the opportunity to take one to the house. And like any other play in football you have to hope your boys don’t get hurt.
Not that bad?
I think everyone who is around the program agrees that most of these backups are incapable of filling in at an acceptable level. But to each their own.
If they are incapable then why'd we offer them?
I for one am excited and can’t wait to see some of the younger guys on the field…
Nigel Carr
Bandon Jenkins
Jacobie McDaniel
will all provide steller releif in a backup role imo
And…
Dionte Allen and AJ Alexander can’t be any worse than TCarter in his first 2 years starting.
I’m not saying thats a good thing but we survived with TC
Carr is very capable
Jenkins is a true fresh who can’t be counted on. Not physically ready.
Jacobbi McDaniel isn’t considered a backup currently.
I am talking about guys like Harriss, the Stevens/McNiel’s and, Mangum/ any of his backups.
ok...sure
there are holes to fill. But there are holes to fill every year. There’s always someone that steps up and makes plays.
All I’m really saying is that FSU will be in the top 40 in defense.
And if not, I will come in here and give you my sincerest apology for ever doubting anything you’ve ever said! ;)
I'm saying that this "holes to fill every year" is sort of "hey, no need to look into this stuff"
The Noles were 20th last year, they could go to 40.
We have the Sentinel openly asking whether this could be FSU’s worst defense ever under Andrews.
That will come in handy when chasing down Dwyer and Rainey from behind.
Oh, I kid the fast undersized defense!
And they were 31st in 2007
and actually 31st in 2006 as well.
Will this defense be worse than 2006 and 2007? Probably so.
I obviously hope they do better, but people don’t like when we sugar coat stuff.
I’m presenting “this defense lacks talent and really lacks depth”, and “why.”
According to the NCAA
FSU was 15th in total defense last year…
Rank Name Games Plays Yds Avg TDs Ydspgm Wins Losses Ties
1 TCU 13 739 2831 3.83 18 217.77 11 2 0
2 Southern California 13 798 2883 3.61 14 221.77 12 1 0
3 Tennessee 12 776 3162 4.07 20 263.50 5 7 0
3 Alabama 14 858 3689 4.30 25 263.50 12 2 0
5 Boston College 14 889 3754 4.22 31 268.14 9 5 0
6 Connecticut 13 791 3614 4.57 30 278.00 8 5 0
7 Virginia Tech 14 794 3912 4.93 27 279.43 10 4 0
8 Penn St. 13 829 3641 4.39 22 280.08 11 2 0
9 Florida 14 896 3994 4.46 21 285.29 13 1 0
10 South Fla. 13 814 3739 4.59 31 287.62 8 5 0
11 Utah 13 824 3759 4.56 28 289.15 13 0 0
12 Iowa 13 860 3787 4.40 17 291.31 9 4 0
13 South Carolina 13 804 3795 4.72 34 291.92 7 6 0
14 Ohio St. 13 846 3819 4.51 21 293.77 10 3 0
15 Florida St. 13 792 3834 4.84 29 294.92 9 4 0
We don't use that. We use adjusted ratings that makes sense.
Swagger, Intensity, Execution
by DKfromVA on Sep 1, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
but hey....
lets not pick on the guy who says the glass is half full!
I just like to think positive and truthfully I’m not being unrealistic.
Knox sorry I jumped you
just sort of annoyed with some of the national media who just blindly repeat the “Mickey will always have a great defense” line, when in fact FSU had the top offense in the conference and a Middle of the road defense last year.
They don’t understand the beat that is the ACC.
No biggie FSUn
your site is by far the most arse kicking fsu site I’ve found. I like the in depth analysis and the fact your guys tell it like it is whether you like it or not. And your responses just show you have a passion for the Noles which I also like. I don’t take anything personal so like I said…no biggie and keep up the great work!
seriously
If I hear, “Well you know Mickey will have his guys ready to go down in Tallahassee, we will just have to see the offense,” one more time I’m going to punch my TV. I try not to let the talking heads get to me. But hey…a guy can only take so much.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
Miami will play so poorly that the defense will look good.
Our offense will make mistakes and come out cold.
" And He drank the world's sin so He could carry you in, and give you life"
our defense will look good, that is.
And the truth about our defense will be burried yet another day. Much like when we’ve played Colorado.
" And He drank the world's sin so He could carry you in, and give you life"
See this is what I believe will happen too
I’ll believe we can play offense on Labor Day when I see it
Swagger, Intensity, Execution
Yarbourough as starting DE
Can someone get some info on why this is going on? Ridiculous. Thanks.
It's likely a motivational thing,
but Allen has never coached or played defensive ends, so he really doesn’t know anything more about it than the offensive coaches.
not unless they are going to play him more of an OLB
but even then that dumb. I bet after the first 4 plays ran right at him and an O-line throws him around like a rag dall then something will happen. Then again when he throws others around and gets 10 TFL and 4 sacks in the first 2 Qrds.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
Jody Allen is QUOTED as saying
“I want my Defensive ends [both of them] under 240 pounds.
He hasn’t a clue and Yarborough will have at least a 100 yards of running game run directly at him if it isn’t fixed.
we need more speed but its doesnt have to be from the DT and DE.
Why does everyone thing that the only place than needs speed. I want as much speed from my OLB and my secondary. I dont care if I have a 180lb CB or a 230lb CB as long as hes faster than the WR he has to cover. I dont care if my SS and FS are big ether I want them fast and hungry I want them to be ball hawks. anyone can take a 230RB down running a 4.3 from 20yrd away. Size does matter but its a matter of where and how.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
haha I was kidding, Des
I agree with you. Speed is the last thing we need more of on D right now.
Swagger, Intensity, Execution
We could ask PP to come back Im sure he can get the team some Speed
Wait my bad wrong kind.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
I can't believe he has a job in Div Ia.....
let alone a top 25 program like FSU.
Bobby’s hires this decade (minus Jimbo’s crew that Terry guided his dad on) have been HORRIBLE. I mean, not even close. The key stone cops of football.
Brandon jenkins
If it is even close,- why not start him at the other de spot? Based on the options, it seems like the only logical choice.
by fsu44 on Sep 1, 2009 3:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Jimbo is *extremely* high on Jenkins
If he had superseding power over Mickey and Jody, I’m very confident this would’ve happened already.
Hopefully he’s first off the bench at either End Spot.
I don't think he's physically ready
You have to be a serious freak to play defensive line as a freshman, early entry or not.
So is Ponder
& Ponder would know given that he’s the one being chased.
well neither are the alternatives, imo
so if it is a close call, let’s play the guy with the highest ceiling, and what appears to be the fastest potential for on the job improvement.
Other than possibly getting hurt, I don’t see how more reps will harm his development, either mentally or physically.
These guys are going to see playing time.
Just not right off the bat. There are good ways to teach people and there are bad ways. Throwing them to the wolfs they will rely on what raw talent and bad habbits got them here. I dont know about Jenkins but McA and McD are the 2 I would worry about. We need Odell to teach them because If they get the tools they need they will make what EB did last year a norm for the next 3 years. Then throw Jenkins on the other side Man I cant wait tell 2011 and 2012
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
Not going to bash Mickey...
Season is here. Time to roll with what you’ve got. Its his last season. He’s been great for the program. I’m hoping the defense can improves as the season progresses so he can go out on somewhat of a positive note.
I think the kids will play their hearts out for him knowing its his last go around.
by FtLauderdaleNole on Sep 1, 2009 4:20 PM EDT reply actions
Balance
we just need some balance like this… it’s not great, but it will get better. Provided we don’t loose any back LB’s or Safties for that matter. Come to think of it we can’t lose any DT’s or DE’s either. Crap the kool-aid is wearing off! I need more splenda!!!
Yeah, right!
No Entitlement
Great for the program then doesn’t excuse one to be bad for the program now.
My dad is from thier generation and is of the mind set that they've earned the right
no matter the success rate.
what a sham. I say call him head coach emeritus. give him 300k to do Jimbo’s fundraising for him. he keeps his office, golf cart, perks, and can roam the sideline waving at adoring fans till he’s dead. But no more football stuff.
Yeah, right!
Do the Jon Wooden thing.
A face of the program’s history, a visible seat in the press box, and no involvement in the day to day operations. Off the sidelines. Not officially an employee. Not talking to the media as a representative of FSU.
but bobby has an ego unlike wooden...
Emeritus is fine as long as Fisher is head coach (not emeritus) and Bobby will more than earn his paycheck taking a huge fund-raising responsibility off of fisher. He would be great with kids motivationaly on the sideline too. and everyone knows whos already running the team.
Yeah, right!
sent to a farm to play with all the other retired DC's
are we sure MA is done after this year or are we ‘willing’ it to be so? just wasn’t sure of the certainty level there – thanks
They def. have to be able to match
Jimbo and Ricks intensity and energy.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
I just want him to fish or cut bait....
dragging it out until January or worse Feb WILL hurt recruiting badly.
Decide in the next month or two and stick with it.
by noles55 on Sep 1, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't like the idea of Robinson on returns either
It is not like there is nobody else who can do this. We have a plethora of greased lightning types, Reid, Reed, Alexander, Harley and Thompson would be fine here and all of them would be happy to get a few more minutes.
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Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
Defense
I feel the frustration with you and we can pick apart the coaches all we want to, but let the kids have a chance to play. We lost experience last year and have a lot of new faces in positions this year. Let them have a shot to prove something and hopefully Dekoda, Jamie, and Patrick can help lead this defense
Jamar Jackson
You never hear anything about him was this another recruiting bust?
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TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
Herby picking the Canes to win..
Not very complementary of the state of our program. We won 9 last year yet he thinks UM program is in better shape. That’s a head scratcher.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/um-hurricanes/sfl-kirk-herbstreit-um-fsu-s090109,0,6848089.story
by FtLauderdaleNole on Sep 1, 2009 5:06 PM EDT reply actions
From an outsider, we look like crap
lost our known skill position guys, are on probation, the union fight, bad national TV losses, and they have out recruited us, and do a better job with their Media Relations.
I looked into this
They had freshman pay a more snaps, though we did play a greater number of frosh.
Pretty sure
they have more of their young guys returning that had significant contributions last year. FSU played a lot of young guys but their production numbers (defensive and offensive) are low in comparison. Like FSUn said, less snaps.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
part of that steps from the fact that a lot of our FR that played were on the OL, and a couple of the DL as well (plus the TE who we basically ignored)
That is true
But hard to add up the stats. people like numbers =).
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
Herby has been on the Cane bandwagon for few years now
Distinctly remember him picking UM the last few years to beat us.
He’s on locally down here in South Florida and does a weekly radio show on WQAM.
by FtLauderdaleNole on Sep 1, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, if the canes get stomped then the locals will get to hear about some 'in depth analysis' from Herbie himself as to why.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
Seems like KH has been taking shots at FSU ever since he started on Gamday back in the mid 90's
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
*Gameday
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
well at the same time Corso is on the FSU bandwagon.
He is picking FSU to win the ACC. Him and Lou. But I think they aqre the only ones. What I am annoyed with is HD. She has this thing where she talks about Duke and UVA more than FSU. What a Witch. I think she hates us.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
I don’t have a problem with a lot of focus on Duke and UVA, especially now in the days leading up to the season, as we know they look to be the 2 weakest ACC teams this year which will necessitate a decline in coverage as the season progresses. Whereas while we may not be the best team in the ACC this year, we should be in that conversation all season which will necessitate an increase in coverage as the season progresses. Of course we are talking about ESPN here, so who knows if logic will enter into the equation at all.
I'm OK with the National media giving us the underdog role.
….and Herbstreit is wishy washy. There will be a point this year where he will speak highly of our program right before he tears it down.
Last year the game day crew was discussing the USC defense as possibly the best of all time…Kirk questioned a little and tossed some of FSU and UM’s past defenses in the mix.
Take it for what it is. These guys aren’t evaluating FSU. They’re reading talking points. Robert Smith was talking about miami playing OK and BYU this year. They have everything mixed up.
Hey FSUSOM, i just shot over an email to your gmail.
I will try to make a Jeff Dyson video. Just tell me if you find any more film on youtube.
I would love to see him return kicks.
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
you know FSUn we have so much to work with but little to play with
In a few years some of these guy could be Awasom but I think you are so right they should not be back-ups right now. I hope Ponder and Jimbo can keep the Offense on the field a lot longer than most.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
by Desman on Sep 1, 2009 5:16 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Im all about sticking with short passes.
As long as its short like ponder throws and not Weatherford. I want First downs not the Punt Team.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
4 20yd passes and a TD in 2:00 min
still better than 3 and out, no? should allow for more our running game, too
MY piont was that Ponder dont do 3 and out like Weatherford did.
Ponder fights for those extra yards and best thing is he wont have to this year. hes going to work just as hard for a lot less witch will make those x4 20yards passes much better. Ha 420 the second time this thread I get to take a shot at PP.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
im on that givens boat also
why not put him back there on kick returns, or adformentioned reed,reid or alexander?
because i dont like patrick or taiwan back there.
patrick= our best defensive player
taiwan= coming off an Achilles injury (albeit reportedly 100% still makes you nervous)
hopefully we just trust the coaches know what their doing.
ehh
on punt return that would make me nervous, but imo on kick returns i’d still take the chances with givens, over stars p-rob and taiwan , but eh im not a coach so i got no say.
I would take Easterling hands down.
Im not sure what it is about him but Im high on him. For me hes that Ace in the hole. when Ponder needed a go to guy last year it was him and Reed. From the slants and bubbles these two get into the onen space and made people miss.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
yea i wouldnt mind taiwan back there
he has electricity and im sure he can make a play….but comin off that achilles just makes me nervous, all that unnecessary juking and cutting gives me nightmares of a reaggravation
Hey Bud
Great job on your interview!! You sounded polished and intelligent. Loved the quote, “Bobby is the grandfatherly figure now.”
I agree Miami is the most important game this year. I care most about beating UF, but like you pointed out we are not ready to play them yet. A “W” there is just not likely, and we should temper our expectations. Beating Miami is TOTALLY “do-able” and would go a long ways in showing our resurgence.
So Uncensored ...
without knowing precisely what our defensive injury situation will be, would you say it’s time for our readers to crack each other’s heads open and feast on the goo inside?
hell ya take them early Its not going to be a Def game.
Its going to be whos Offense can the other team stop. They shouldnt stop us but we should stop theres more.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
Can you blame Mickey?
After realizing he was not going to be head coach he probably wanted to retire, but due to loyalty to Bobby or need for the money he is just trying to hang on these last couple of years.
Coaches recruit all types of players, not just the ones they position coach. They have areas they recruit, so the lack of defensive linemen falls on all the coaches somewhat.
Oh and instead of P Rob on kickoff returns I would say use Givens since he is not on the two deep at receiver.
Yes, he has a contract and didn't perform.
Givens on KR is interesting, but he apparently has bad hands.
lil off topic maybe
but kirk herbstreit soured my kool-aid today (damnn him)
that is the orlando sentinel article where herbstreit goes to say miami will beat us, and that we’re “overrated”.
I like Gameday but...
Besides the blatantly obvious picks those guys are really behind the curve on teams by a few years. Unless it’s a no-brainer they are clueless, understandable since they have to cover every team in the nation. The media was completely missing what was going on in our program during its decline and were still picking us well after we were a shadow of our former selves. I’m sure people like Herbstreit will be saying a few years from now when we are again a nationally competitive program that we have to “Prove we are back for real.” Not picking on your comment at all, I guess that was all a long way of saying we know more about our program and our rivals than the national media does.
What did he say last year? I don’t remember. I’m betting though he said UM would win. He said the same crap last year, “UM is closer to being back” despite having an overall worse record in recent years and losing more to FSU recently.
thats what im sayin
what signs have they given they are “closer being back” than we are??
they cant say youth because as we all know we have a very young team too, so it just baffles me when “experts” say things like this, and they way he talks he really comes off as a miami homer….is it just me?
I think he’s basing his statements on recruit rankings. Our 2009 classes were evenly matched according to the various rating sites, but their 2007 and 2008 were rated better. Our 2006 class was ranked better, but not many of those players remain (though I doubt he knows that). This year it’s looking like we will pull a better class to even it up.
We all hate it but we all wake up cook some food get the check the beer in the frig.
and sit to watch Gameday because thats what starts out gameday. Its news they show Its Ent. toniight for College football. and we fall for it. when the noles are hot then they are all over it. when there not corso and Lou are our only friends. thats what sucks.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
Believe it or not.
I like Lou and Corso. The “sunshine scooter” has been around football a very long time and has been part of some very good stuff in college football. He can be annoying but I give him and Lou a break most of the time. If you have ever seen Holtz do his little pregame pep talks you can see some flashes of why he was such a great coach. I know he is not like very much by Florida State fans, but for me he is one of the better talking heads on TV.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
by onebarrelrum on Sep 2, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm Glad I Don't Have Cable
It he’s the best (other than Lee Corso who really is), I’d hate to see what the rest are like. He’ll probably talk more about Notre Dame’s upcoming national championship and call their joke of a quarterback “the best in the game right now” rather than discuss FSU-Miami.
It was long ago and it's far away but it was so much better than it is today--Meatloaf
by CantwaitforJimbo on Sep 2, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
thats funny he is taking ND vs UF in the NC because ND has a cake SOS.
I think its a joke though.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
More reason to never pay any attention to what Herbstreit says
I think the air head is sore because Ohio State is 0-3 vs the Seminoles.
Simply wishing the noles are deteriorating is not going to get the job done any more. FSU is making some serious progress.
LOL we are going to stomp Miami.
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I don't think Jimbo talks about Fortson
because he doesn’t want anyone to know. You aren’t hearing his name, but he is a player who when put in a tight situation will make something happen.
I think he will be a 30-40 catch guy with a re-donk-you-lust YPC. Bank on it…
Unless something happened to Fortson that I missed…
*takes a sip of that same kool-aid*
i think fortson has tremendous upside also, definitely has the physical tools, lets just hope he can pull it all together and want it.
i think by mid-season teams will literally have to “pick your poison” with us…
do you wanna stack the box to defend the run game and in return let our speedy wr’s (imo one of the fastest corps our there) torch you?
or defend against the pass and let our rb’s rip off continual 5-6 yard runs?
should be interesting to see unfold.
Thank you
For joining in the red delicious.
I know the defense is rough, but the potential dominance of this offense is going to give people head aches and nightmares
How far can the offense carry us?
That is the one burning question i have right now. Hopefully to an ACC champ. game birth.
I dont think we will have to wait tell Mid-season
I think Miami will have to worry bout that by the 2nd Qrd and BYU lat in the first. These teams might not plan for it as much as the rest because they of the first few games but other than UF a lot of Def will have problems with what to do. I think this is where Jimbo wants us to be. you can stop the run with 8 in the box but you cant stop the pass. play man and get burned. This is what we tried vs VT last year but we didnt have the pass pro to do it well. this year should be much better.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
Agreed
I grew up watching a lot of UF football (didn’t see the truth till ’03) and I can tell you that UF had NO DEFENSE until they were able to get their shit together in ’96.
ACC offenses are bad, much like the SEC offenses of the ’90’s. And Jimbo is much like Spurrier in that he has found himself in the favorable position of being a great offensive mind in a run happy, play defense conference.
I apologize if my Gay-turdz parallel is killing my rep… But really… With the conference being terrible in the air (as a whole) I do not see the defense getting exposed for more than the usual BostCol lets hit-them-in-their-gut-till-they-fall-on-their-ass approach football.
You can’t run left. You can’t run right… And unless you have a Tebo/Harvin combo you ARE NOT going to hit those cut-back lanes.. If you want to hit a cut back lane verse FSU without being a 2 O team then u are going to have to have a running back with sub 4.4. PERIOD. That’s why that damn Clemson game has been so scary the past couple.
ADD rant over
lets hope so
i just threw out mid-season to take in early season rust ect, but i think game 1 we will hit the ground running (literally with our stable of backs) and passing, im personally excited to see the electric recievers taiwan and reed get their hands on the ball, and then my wildcard Richard Goodman, he can either be a bust or by seasons end up a pretty nice surprise, i cant wait to see how it unfolds.
I think he will be one of the top WR because hes going to be a second check off guy
when ponder drops and looks at the first WR for the play and its not him he will be the second check off. I think hes is a very good player. hes my 3rd best.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
Physically
He looks like Michael Crabtree… But comparisons are a load of shit.
Anyway… all comments regarding Jarmon are right. He seems like one of those guys who have had Dove Soap shoved up his ass for too long and now he has gone soft and vanilla…
So every report I hear of Jimbo Chewing his ass out makes me happy. happy to know that we may finally have that strong, go-to, pro bound receiver we have been missing at FSU for a while
lets cross our fingers
and hope richard goodman can be that instantly for us (strong, go-to, pro bound receiver)…while jarmon learns to become that under goodmans wing.
I used to play basketball against that kid
At the Leech. He was just a Fresh and Soph… To think that he has come mentally far enough to be great… I really will root for him
Anquan Boldin came in to play one time after his rookie NFL season. You could just tell that he was THE man. I hated his attitude, but you couldn’t get in his head, you couldn’t out muscle him and you damn sure were not going to stop him. BTW, his arms are ten times bigger than they look on TV… I mean shit… but anyway… He laid me out on a pick. While I wanted to knock him upside the head, he made his point (I eventually blocked his shot…ha-ha!!!)
Again, more rambling… I tend to find that football players can be weeded out by their b-ball playing skills
examples:
Chris Rix – No head, all straight forward… had a hard time controlling balance… Terrible mechanics
Xavier Lee – Never really put much effort in it… Small feet… Dicked around mostly
Drew Weatherford – Good skills… but never stepped up… for example, he hit a 3 in my face, so i ran down and hit one in his because he played shit defense. though that i couldn’t play… found out the hard way. i then hit 3 more…
There were other guys… but I couldn’t tell who they were without the jerseys… but yeah… i should work in the recruiting department… i could tell right away in a game of one on one whether they were worth the time or not.
I can't pass this up.
I used to play sharks and minnows with that kid.
At the Leech. He was just a fresh and soph. To think he has come mentally far enough to be great. I really will root for him.
Lorenzo Booker came to play one time after his rookie NFL season. You could just tell that he was THE man. I hated his attitude, but you couldn’t get in his head, you couldn’t out dog paddle him, and you damn sure weren’t going to tag him out. BTW, his head is like 10 times smaller than it looks on TV… I mean s#*t, but anyway. He dunked me in the deep end. While I wanted to splash water in his eyes, he made his point (I eventually pulled him out of the water by his Speedo… ha-ha!!!)
Again… More rambling. I find that football players can be weeded out based on their S & M skills.
Examples
Chris Rix- Couldn’t hold his breath. Never swam under water. Didn’t like to get water up his nose. Terrible freestyle technique.
Xavier Lee- never put much effort in. Small feet. Always holding on to the wall.
Drew Weatherford- good skills, but never stepped up… For example, he pinned me to the bottom, then pulled me up, so I swam to the other end and and yanked him up because he dolphin kicks like s#*t. Thought I couldn’t swim, found out the hard way. I then pulled him up 3 more times.
There were other guys, but I couldn’t tell who they were with the swim caps on…but yeah… I should work in the recruiting department… I could tell right away in a game of Marco Polo whether they were worth the time or not.
OH YEAAHH!
by TBfisherman on Sep 2, 2009 12:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
thanks
I was hoping it would not get lost beneath all of the legitimate stories and comments posted today. I plan to include sharks and minnows skills in some future player evaluations.
Aubrey Phillips- Excellent floater, but lacks the underwater mobility Rick Trickett requires. Also struggled with being late due to having to wait one hour before entering the water.
OH YEAAHH!
by TBfisherman on Sep 2, 2009 5:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Preston Parker
Very shifty in the open water. Godd 25 meter time. Shaved his head because his hair kept getting caught in the drain.Slowed down by the gun he kept in his waistband.Frequently slept poolside with a bag of McD’s.
OH YEAAHH!
by TBfisherman on Sep 3, 2009 9:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Boldin was a beast
Ive seen him play basketball at the leech his senior year. He wasnt the best basketball player but by far the most competitive and most “gangster” player on the court. Must be a “Muck” thing. I thought he was going to seriously knock his own teammate out for missing a defensive rebound. That teammate happened to be Greg Jones.
The last play of the game, boldin switched off his guy to guard fsu star basketball player Tim Pickett at halfcourt of a tie game. After amazingly stripping Tim on a crossover he went in for the game winning layup only to get blocked from behind by pickett.
Both teams shot free throws to decide a winner. It came down to Pickett making the final free throw ( with a rubber glove on his shooting hand, b/c he cut it blocking anquans shot) to win the game. Boldin stormed off the court after a few choice words….
by noles 4 life u dig? on Sep 3, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
This is why PRob should not be KR
http://nolesports.tallahassee.com/article/20090903/FSU03/909030329
Senior cornerback Patrick Robinson was in a blue non-contact jersey on Wednesday, but Bowden expects the All-American candidate to be ready to go against the Hurricanes.
“He’ll be OK,” Bowden said. “He took a big shot out there (on Tuesday).”
It doesn’t say he took the shot on a KR but that seems pretty logical.

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