Florida State Film Review: A look into Florida State's First Down Pass Defense Against Miami
After seeing that Freshman Safety Nick Moody will start over Senior Korey Mangum, who has his arm in a sling (mysteriously), this post should really help to explain why.
People often preach about establishing the run on first down, but the simple fact of the matter is that yards are yards. If a defense is putting all of its resources into stopping the run on first down, why not throw the ball? That is exactly what Miami did. Miami quarterback Jacory Harris torched the FSU defense on first downs, going an incredible 14-18 for 285 yards and two touchdowns, good for an unheard of 247 quarterback rating (yes, a few points from perfect). Florida State allowed almost 16 yards per passing play and over 20 yards per completion! Miami passed far more often than they ran on 1st down and yet FSU made very few adjustments.
And it wasn't just one or two long completions. Harris connected on passes of 40, 39, 31, 29, 27, 24, 20, 19, 18, 11, 8, 7, 6, and 5 yards. It continued throughout the game as FSU made no adjustments.
There are many reasons why a team might be able to have that kind of success on 1st down. Let's have a look at a few of the plays.
First up is a screen Miami ran. To open the game, they came out in an I-Formation. FSU countered with a 4-3 defense, in what looks to be some sort of cover-2 shell look. But UM was sneaky. They didn't use a fullback. Instead, they used two tailbacks, one of whom was the cousin of Edgerrin James. At the snap, Miami QB Jacory Harris drops back. The deep-set tailback runs a flair to the right, while the receivers run deep routes to make FSU's corners follow them. The tight end runs a short route to put himself in position to block. But most importantly, a very talented running back is playing the fullback position and is hiding behind a very big offensive line. As the snap, FSU DE Markus White and DT Kendrick Stewart rush upfield very quickly, as FSU defensive linemen are known to do. But the rush is dumb because they don't keep their heads up. They are rushing upfield without football smarts. Credit Miami's OC for knowing this. So Miami's offensive linemen block for two seconds, and then release. Here's the photo. A half second after this was taken, Miami's offensive linemen will let their men go, and Jacory Harris will flip the ball over the head of the defensive linemen and into the waiting arms of James (#5).
So Miami has two offensive linemen to block a single linebacker (Bradham, #13), and they have angles. Even though Bradham is an impressive player, he's doomed here. The result? 1/15 at Um29 Harris, J. screen pass complete to James, J. for 20 yards to the UM49, 1ST DOWN UM (Mangum, K), clock 14:46. To be honest, FSU didn't play this that poorly. It's just a very nice call.
But what of the other 18 passing plays on 1st down? Let's find out. Also, how did each member of the secondary play?
1st Down Pass Play #2: Play Action to Hankerson, Incomplete
After that screen pass, UM had 1st and 10 from the 48. Remember that FSU's run defense was really weak last year, and they were very concerned with stopping the run in this game. So Miami's Mark Whipple was smart and broke his tendencies. He went play-action. Miami again aligned in a standard I-Formation. They motioned a receiver in close to the tight end, then faked a handoff to the tailback. Look at this picture carefully (click to enlarge):
Pay attention to the blue line. That is the line of scrimmage. FSU has 7 players on the line of scrimmage or on Miami's side. That means that they only have 4 players in coverage. Miami has 7 blockers. This is a maximum protection, as only 3 players are running routes. You can see that Miami's right tackle has driven walk-on defensive end Craig Yarborough into the ground. The other rushers are being handles very easily. The key here is the linebackers. What will they do? Continue to rush the passer even though they are in a terrible position to continue, or drop back into coverage and hope to possibly alter a pass?
The answer is that Dekoda Watson and Kendal Smith continue to rush the passer, while Nigel Bradham drops back into coverage. He can't get to the RB (#30, top of picture), but he does sprint backwards quickly. And he does it quickly enough that Harris' pass is just a bit high for his intended receiever, who is running wide open, probebly because he wanted to loft it over his head. And why were they wide open?
Because Harris snapped this ball at 14:26 and didn't throw it until 14:21 You simply cannot play man to man defense for 5 seconds. A zone maybe, but not man-to-man without help. FSU's linebacker coach Chuck Amato is a bad coach and he simply must school his guys better. This is terrible play recognition and it falls on Amato. it is his job to teach his guys to do a better job. It is embarassing to root for a team whose linebackers play so stupidly. 8 yards to go to get to a QB who is already setup behind an 7-man protection? Don't rush, drop back.
So far, we've seen FSU play a pass pretty well and get burned, and FSU play a pass very poorly, and get lucky. On the next play, FSU would not get a great result out of poor play.
If you follow FSU football, you know that Mickey Andrews loves to play cover-1 on 1st down. That means P-Rob (bottom of screen, #21), is on a wideout. Our deep safety (off-screen) plays deep, Korey Mangum (#22) takes the slot receiver, Dekoda Watson takes one of the tight ends, and Jenijie takes another. Bradham takes the running back), and Kendal Smith looks to be mirroring the QB. I wish I could offer better analysis, but Mangum plays this soooo poorly that there just isn't much time to see the play. In any case, here's the look at the snap:
Mangum has the slot receiver, Travis Benjamin.
Mangum is still not in the picture, which is disappointing. Benjamin is extremely fast. Where is Mangum?
Ok, I had to rewind the tape ablout 10 times, but this is the first step Mangum took. Literally, he stood there flat-footed until Benjamin's 6th step. Seriously, I counted, Mangum's first step occurs on Benjamin's 6th step. Benjamin has all the momentum, and he is faster than Mangum. Mangum might think he can just turn Benjamin too the deep safety, but at this point, his technique is so bad that the safety will be of little help. And that is exactly what happened:
Yeah, that's Benjamin looking up for the ball, 4 yards past Manum even after slowing up. Mangum showed possibly the worse technique ever displayed by a DB. There is a chance that Mangum thought he was playing another coverage, but to be honest, I can't figure out what that would be. And neither couls his teammates. Bradham and the other defenders ripped into Mangum, he tried to explain himself, they told him he was wrong, and I captured this image as Mangum says "my bad", while slapping his head.
So yeah, TD Miami and it was way too easy. But there is also a Mickey Andrews problem here. FSU simply cannot let a rover man-up on a receiver. That's a mismatch.
1st Down Pass #4:
1/10 at Um24 Harris, J. screen pass complete to James, J. for 8 yards to the UM32 (Smith, K), clock 00:48. This is a screen just like the first of the game, only Bradham is not double teamed and handles Miami's tackle better. But the DL plays it poorly, as does Kendal Smith (again), and Miami gets 8 yards.
1st Down Pass Play # 5
1/10 at Um38 Harris, J. sacked for loss of 3 yards to the UM35 (Robinson, J), PENALTY UM holding (Pipho, M.) 10 yards to the UM28, NO PLAY, clock 14:16. This was Play-action, with excellent coverage, a 3-man route. Jenijie, Bradham, and P-Robinson all with excellent coverage. FSU read-blitzed (waited to see if man went into route, and if not, blitzed). The protection broke down and FSU got the sack, but they accepted the hold.
1st Down Pass Play #6
1/10 at Um22 Harris, J. deep pass complete to Hankerson, L. for 40 yards to the FS38, 1ST DOWN UM (Moody, N), clock 09:00.
This was a bad play. Miami is in the I-Formation, and FSU is too small to stop the run without using the extra man, so FSU plays 8 guys in the box, and plays their corners way off. See:
Once again, this is first down, and FSU is in cover-1 (one deep safety, everyone else in man coverage). Miami again goes to the play-action, and FSU bites hard, as most undisciplined defenses do. Luckily, Miami is using an 8-man protection (only 2 guys running a route). The problem here is that the corner is peeking into the backfield when he doesn't need to. When a corner is on an island, he must play his receiver and completely disregard the run. Freshman A.J. Alexander is defending the receiver on the play and he gets beat. Alexander does do a nice job to recover, however, so give him credit for that. The wideout makes a great catch too. Also, #10 Nick Moody, Freshman Strong Safety gets over too late. Moody should not be playing solo deep coverage. He's a hitter/ run stopper and not a deep cover guy. Jamie Robinson should do that:
Also, Mickey Andrews needs to play his starters and stop substituting so much. The problem of depth is one entirely of his own creation due to poor recruiting, and he can't continue to trust his backups like this is a defense of the 90's. it is not. This defense lacks talent and experience, and the defensive backs need to play almost every snap and not come out.
1st Down Pass Play #7
1/10 at Fs38 Harris, J. crossing pass complete to Hankerson, L. for 11 yards to the FS27, 1ST DOWN UM (Robinson, P), clock 08:32. Again, Cover-1, play action, no blitz, coverage is decent but in cover-1, crossing routes will hit and Harris puts this on the money.
1st Down Pass Play #8
1/10 at Fs27 Harris, J. sideline pass incomplete to James, J., PENALTY UM illegal block (Byrd, L.) 15 yards to the FS42, NO PLAY, clock 08:08. There's an important change here. FSU does not cover the slot receiver with their safety, but instead use a cornerback (imagine that). FSU blitzes one guy and Harris has to unload quickly. Bradham has superb coverage on the speedy Greg Cooper. Playing cover-1 without blitzing is really dumb. You have to force quick pressure. FSU didn't do that ofetn, but did here.
1st Down Pass Play #9
1/10 at Um25 Harris, J. crossing pass complete to Epps, D. for 19 yards to the UM44, 1ST DOWN UM (Robinson, J), clock 02:32.
I wish I could tell you who was covering the tight end who catches the ball, but the angle is terrible. Instead, let's see another example of Harris with NO pressure after a weak Play-action fake and a half-roll:
FSU's defensive line is garbage. Seriously, I am embarrassed to root for this group. There isnb't a player within 8 yards of Harris. He stands there and holds the ball forever befor e aguy finally comes open.
1st Down Pass Play # 10
1/10 at Um44 Harris, J. deep in pass complete to Collier, T. for 18 yards to the FS38, 1ST DOWN UM (Reid, G), clock 02:10.
Watch closely here, all of you who think Greg Reid should start in the base defense because of things he did that don't translate to the base defense...
I circled Reid and the player he is covering. Greg has inside leverage here, and his goal is to not let that man cross his care. But Greg uses poor technique and gets beat 18 yards down the field, across his face. BUT, we must also excuse Greg like we do the others because Harris once again had tons of time to throw the ball and you can't cover man-to-man for 5 seconds.
1st Down Pass Play # 11
1/10 at Fs23 Harris, J. middle pass complete to Johnson, A. for 6 yards to the FS17 (Jenije, O), clock 01:11.
FSU actually runs the prowler 1-5-5 defense here, and blitzes 5 men, but not very well. The pressure doesn't get to Harris, and Jenijie is playing so far off Johnson that even if the pressure did get there, Harris would have an easy throw. Blitzing with man coverage is designed to force a quick throw, and the corner must play close to his man. Poor job by Jenijie here:
He's 5 yards away from Johnson at the time of the catch.
1st Down Pass Play #12
Um 1/10 at Um20 Harris, J. post pass complete to Johnson, A. for 31 yards to the FS49, 1ST DOWN UM, clock 11:51.
This play is all on Jamie Robinson. Jenijie has outside leverage, sticks with Johnson for the most part, and Robinson is blowing the play by biting on the play-fake. Jenijie really plays this perfectly, but Robinson is so far out of position. I circled Robinson in Red and Jenijie in Yellow.
Robinson should be where the Seminole head is, and instead he is 12 yards out of position. Notice that Jenijie (someone who is taking way too much heat) is running even with the reciever and expects Robinson to be there.
1st Down Pass # 13
1/10 at Fs29 Harris, J. flag pass complete to Epps, D. for 27 yards to the FS2, 1ST DOWN UM, out-of-bounds (Robinson, J;Mangum, K), clock 04:36.
No video of this one. Just know that Mangum got burnt, but the QB had 5 full seconds to throw the ball and nobody came close to touching him. Want to get mad at a DB? Unload on Mangum, not Jenijie.
1st Down Pass # 14
This is a play-action pass the Miami's guy falls down an FSU brings a lot of pressure, on FSU's goal line.
1st Down pass # 15
29-yard post to Benjamin, Jenijie has coverage, but Mangum is no help over the middle (where he should be), and the linebackers bite hard on play-action, giving Harris a huge window to throw into. Blame Jenijie if you want the easy way out, but blame Mangum if you understand the play.
1st Down Pass # 16
This was a screen pass that Nigel Bradham recognized and blew up immediately. Great play.
1st Down Pass Play # 17
Miami splits their tailback/kick returner out wide. FSU responds by focering him with their MIDDLE LINEBACKER, with zero safety help over the top. That is a huge, huge, inexcuseable mismatch. This is one of the dumbest things Mickey Andrews has ever done in a game.
Seriously, Cooper beat him by 12 yards for the touchdown. Mickey has to give these guys a check to a zone coverage if they see this look. His failure to prepare these players is a joke.
1st Down Pass Play # 18
1/10 at Um41 Harris, J. middle pass complete to James, J. for 7 yards to the UM48 (Carr, N), clock 03:50. A simple Texas/Angle route from the runner. Miami ran this earlier in hte game and missed the throw, but against FSU's coverage schemes, thgis play will be open all of the time.
1st Down Pass Play # 19
1/10 at Fs48 Harris, J. middle pass complete to Hankerson, L. for 5 yards to the FS43, out-of-bounds (Reid, G), clock 02:32. This is a crossing route and I am not sure who was supposed to cover him. No pressure on the QB again, but it was a very quick pass. Greg Reid nice tackle after sucessfully covering his man.
So Why?
Why did FSU’s defense play so poorly? First, FSU’s run defense was awful in 2008:

Coming into this game, the ‘Noles were very concerned with stopping Miami’s running game. Their alignment showed their concern, and Miami did a nice job to recognize FSU’s plan. When FSU geared up to stop the run, Miami threw the ball.
But the bigger problem than FSU selling out to stop the run was their complete lack of a pass rush. In the Tomahawk Nation Preview, we discussed how FSU’s recruiting problems in 2006 and 2007 might hurt the ‘Noles as the defensive coaches did a poor job of recruiting in those years and as a result, FSU would be forced to rely on freshmen and sophomores along the defensive line. Florida State was only able to pressure Harris when they brought big blitzes, which exposed their secondary. You saw evidence of that on 3rd down where FSU had two interceptions and their lone sack. But on first down, FSU did not blitz. Miami’s offensive line easily held their own against Florida State’s defensive line and Harris had all the time in the world to sit in the pocket, go through all of his reads and deliver an accurate ball– usually to a wide open receiver. While FSU’s secondary will receive a lot of the blame, that analysis is shortsighted. The ‘Nole defensive backs didn’t play well, but there isn’t a secondary in college football that can cover for six or seven seconds, and unfortunately for ‘Nole fans, that is exactly what they were forced to do. Give Miami a lot of credit for going into Tallahassee and grabbing the win, but Florida State’s defensive coaches set this current defense up for failure through their actions in 2006 and 2007, and exacerbated those problems by failing to make adjustments throughout the game.
What now? A few conclusions:
- Bench Korey Mangum. He is truly terrible, not likely to get better, and as a Senior, will not be around next year. Luckily for the Noles, Mangum's arm is in a sling and Nick Moody will be the starter tomorrow against Jacksonville State (preview coming tomorrow). Moody is far from perfect and it will be interesting to see how the freshman plays. FSU needs to use him in a specific way.
- Don't bench Jenijie yet. Everyone wants Greg Reid, and Reid made some great plays, but he made them free-lancing. Thay works in a Nickel package with help over the top, but to be the #2 corner his primary responsibility is just to stick with his man, something Jenijie already did pretty well, and something Greg has not shown he can do yet. Andrews is right when he says "Reid is trying to do too much. There's a difference between playing inside with help and outside on the island." Reid will be a phenomenal corner in time, but seeing that our next 3 opponents all play the spread, and 3+ corners will be needed, leaving Greg in the Nickel slot makes the most sense. Allow him to free-lance without subjecting the team to disaster.
- None of our DB's will look good without a pass rush.
- Patrick Robinson had great coverage on almost every one of Miami's pass plays. His tackling, however, was poor.
- Jamie Robinson showed good range, but did blow two crucial assignments.
- It's clear how much the defense heard about their troubles with the run. They bit on play-action harder than I've ever seen them bite.
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Great breakdown!
Enjoyed reading it thoroughly. Will there be a similar piece on the DL? I agree completely, while there were breakdowns and some poor coaching (that play the LB was on Cooper I think I called a touchdown as soon as I saw the matchup), the lack of pass rush really made our DBs look terrible. The time Harris had to pass just let him carve us up.
Probably don't have time, maybe a few short video clips.
I’ll try to find the right ones. Sometimes it’s hard to figure out exactly what the call was without being in the huddle.
by Bud Elliott on Sep 11, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn!!
That was a thorough breakdown. Very well done.
by NorCalAtlFan on Sep 11, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
safeties
Agree on Mangum, the kid should never play he’s always looked terrible. Agree with Reid keep him in the Nickle package or bring him in against Jville to play #2 occasionally for a feel of it. Moody I hope he just played with first game jitters and will do much better with the experience from the Miami game.
What is the word on Terrance, I really want to see him play so much.
Just a word
Still a hard lurker over here on these boards.
I learned a TON about football from this post. Excellent, Excellent article, the way you broke it down with stills makes it awesome to understand and comprehend.
Thank you for taking time to do that.
Glad you enjoyed DocB
Thank you for your service!
by Bud Elliott on Sep 11, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Of the Three, Who has the best Defense:
UM FSU BYU?
What do you guys think BYU will do to us in week two?
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by stevegrizzle on Sep 11, 2009 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions
We're going to learn a lot tomorrow night.
JSU having Perriloux is going to make them just talented enough that we will be able to see how Mickey and his D can respond.
Hopefully they are talented enough that we can actually get some work in, but not so much that it’s ever actually a game.
Seeing as how we couldn’t cover 10 men last week, not really looking forward to asking our D to cover 11 this week.
Seriously doubt...
that Jack State has the same talent level as UM. I’m not saying we run away with it, but it should be a win.
by Darkhorse99 on Sep 11, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
They Challenged GT...
and Perriloux was not playing!
by UnstopaNole99! on Sep 11, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I was at that game and the GT Clemson game last night.
While GT does have good potential on the ground, they are woeful passing the ball. Before they pulled starters against JSU, they were efficient through the air.
GT did give up two passing TDs to JSU and I liken GTs level of defensive talent to FSUs. They have some stars, but they also have glaring talent and size holes on that defense.
I’d expect a 45-20 type game.
GTs DBs are much better than FSU...
and they have a bona fide pass rusher in Morgan….
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After looking at the box score, I don't think the game was as close as the score indicated
JSU got a TD in garbage time. Also, if I recall correctly, I think GT fumbled the ball a few times.
GT did pull starters early... some...
But the GT defense is suspect. JSU did beat them in man coverage and actually sustained a couple of drives.
OTOH, JSU defense is slow… like Aubrey Phillips slow. Our Offense should look very efficient.
GT d-line stats?
Does anyone know an accurate listing of their DL weights.
I remember 270 was one of their DTs. Their best D -end looked 250 to me. I’m just trying to figure out how good clemsons OL is. GTs defensive line looked way undersized to me. They were way too fast for clemson OL.
Seems like clemson OL will be better equipped vs teams with bigger/slower DL players
Awesome job Bud!!
Seems like the DL was beat by lack of physicality, while the secondary was more mental and the fact that Harris had forever to throw.
What did you think of how our LB’s played overall?
by noles 4 life u dig? on Sep 11, 2009 8:36 AM EDT reply actions
I thought Smith played terrible
but our DL is so bad that these guys have backers on them immediately. Bradham played well given the circumstances.
by Bud Elliott on Sep 11, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Bradham is scary fast for a LB
He was the only LB I noticed making any significant contribution
Fantastic Work!!!
I tip my hat to FSUncensored as well as the entire TN community for making such great contributions and helping us become informed. This is great stuff!
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Seriously!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why are you not in football coaching??? This is some great game break down analysis. Great work as always.
Nice read..
Good breakdown. I hope our defensive coaches read this.
I wanted to kick Mangum straight in his hind side on that first td catch from Miami. I saw him banging his helmet and thought…ok thats one, don’t let it happen again. Apparently he didn’t listen. I didn’t think the play action was that good but it constently fooled our safetys.
Agreed too about the pash rush…I’ve NEVER seen an FSU front line get smacked around so badly. On a lot of those plays Jacory could have just run for 20 yards. Thats something other teams will pick up on as well if their qb’s can’t trow the ball that well.
What's scary
is that I really wonder if what I just read is more in-depth and insightful than the film work done by OUR ACTUAL COACHING STAFF this week?
Haha, I'm sure they had this done much better, and by Tuesday morning
Though they also have experience and more resources.
by Bud Elliott on Sep 11, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
They have crazy resources. They had this Tuesday morning for sure.
Greak work though , Bud this is why we all came here in the first place.
Interesting to me is how media now plays a huge role in gamesmanship
Before the UM game, all the talk was how FSU couldn’t stop the run last year. Even FSU players & coaches acknowledged the problems and expressed concern about UM’s run game.
The talk from UM’s side was how they wanted to pound the ball and take advantage of FSU’s lack of a run game. But when it came to game-time, Whipple & the Canes reversed their strategy and pretty much threw the ball all over the field.
Although our defense has some major problems, give a LOT of credit to Whipple for recognizing what was happening and taking advantage of the situation. I think everyone, including FSU’s defensive coaches, underestimated the guy.
Still, Andrews had all game to figure out what was going on and couldn’t make the necessary adjustments. In fact, UM scored most of their points in the 4th quarter!
great work once again
does anyone know how much T-buck is working with the safeties, or is he only working with the corners?
Great Breakdown!
This was fantastic FSUn. I wish I could dwell on the article itself, but seeing in full detail how terrible we were, has reignited flames on a Friday of all days. Since the first time I saw Mangum take the field years ago I questioned it. The guy should be playing at freakin’ Troy or FIU! I thought Jenijie and Robinson did great on the corners and I was a little dissapointed in J. Rob’s performance. Good god Yarbourouh should not touch the sideline, let alone the actual playing field. Curious, do you have the count on how many times that guy was put to the ground? I swear it was a baker’s dozen!!! As for the linebackers, what is being coached? I stopped playing football when I realized soccer was my sport, but even I would know not to rush the QB with 8 yards to cover and the offense being in max protection. What does Amato teach each day? Alright, rant over. Sorry, I just had to get some !@#$ out of my system. Great job again, as always.
SO UM got smart passing on 1st down
where MA thought they would run. This never changed throw the game. Sence we will be playing Spread teams are we going to see more Nickle or are they going to try this 2-5-4 thing that looks like a dumb 3-4. I would almost rather a 2-4-5 make it look like a 3-3-5 in passing downs.
So what we told teams is pass on 1st down because we are going to try to stop the run.(but we cant stop the run) Play action works and so do screens.
Our Secondary is ok not great but good enough that if the front 7 gets just some pressure they could do something maybe.
Sounds like its going to be a long year.
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Great analysis
The image of Benjamin burning Mangum as he stood there flat footed should alone be enough to get him benched. I agree on P Rob’s tackling ability, he needs to get that fixed quickly.
Amazing Analysis
I’ve been reading TN for over 6 months now, but just joined so I can congratulate FSUncensored on yet another fantastic article.
We may not have the best team in the nation (this year), but we do have the most intelligent and insightful fans!
fantastic post and breakdown, LOVED IT
Too me this all comes down to pass rush. I think it will hide our poor DB and Safety play/ability. Being able to pressure the QB or get penetration allows the defense to not have to put 8 in the box all the time. It also doesnt give the other QB the most time in the history of planet earth to throw the ball and eat up our DB’s and Safetys.
Do we really not have any other DE’s??? Jackson? and is there any thought of moving Parks back to corner?
drizzle daddy wuz here
Jackson hasn't really done anything.
Unsure if we would move Parks. I don’t think another corner is the solution. Solutions:
Remove Mangum
Get Pressure
by Bud Elliott on Sep 11, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, look at the difference b/t what PRob did to his receiver and what Mangum did to Benjamin
PRob playing bump & run; Mangum playing… I don’t know turn & jog?
Imagine if Rolle & Brown had stayed for their final year...
That would shore up 2 serious positions of need on this defense.
Rolle wasn’t great in coverage, but he was smart and had quite a few PBU’s there at the end of last year. Brown would completely change the dynamics of our d-line & we might have had a pass rush against UM.
Pretty sure Brown was a senior last year
by nolesblogger on Sep 11, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
He was a senior
and he graduated, but he redshirted.
I just remember that he skipped out on the draft the year before
You can’t really fault him for leaving though. He wasn’t going to get any better under Jody Allen.
by nolesblogger on Sep 11, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the consensus was that he made the right choice but...
it sucks for this year’s team. Especially, now that we have a pretty good offense.
Fun reading. Great evaluation.
1. Totaly agree on Reid way too small AND inexperienced to throw at the feild corner spot.
2. Biggest concern is that I think we may be having to choose whether to stop the run or stop the pass. We may not be good enough up front to do both.
3. How are our DT"s health?
Yeah, right!
4-2-5
Given our personnel issues, I REALLY think we should be playing the 4-2-5 as our base defense. It would allow us to pull a linebacker out (SMITH) and leave bradham and watson on the field. This would free up some linebackers to use as situational edge rushers to bolster our de.
It also allows us to disguise blitzes and run multiple zones behind the front 6. We could even run split coverage and let P-Rob play man on the best reciever.
This would let us put the best young guys we have on the field while playing some zone to protect them. J-Rob, Reid, P-Rob, Moody, Harley.
Cedat Fortuna Peritis
Carr should fill in for smith.
The thing to remember is that we still haven’t fixed the run defense…
by Bud Elliott on Sep 11, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Aby chance we mix it up and play dawkins and Demonte at the end positions ??
I know we dont have the depth at takle but we also dont have the size and talent at the end position… Might as well get the bigger and more talented guys some reps.. I understand they will make mistakes but I think there would be an upside to them seeing more PT.
It just seems logical...
We have no chance with 240-250 pound ends… this is major college football!
Bud-would you see any moves at the end positions?
I would like to see Dawkins move back to end.
by Bud Elliott on Sep 11, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Dawkins need to be at de also.
Yarbrough played with a lot of passion, but there is a reason he was a walk on. We have to get more pressure to be successful.
Off Topic
Warchant is saying FSU just snagged commitment no. 15, any idea who it may be?
Damien Jacobs
ESPN says he was already a silent. If he was on the team right now he would be our biggest DT at 295. Everything I have read says be worried if LSU decides they want him.
by osceolafan850 on Sep 11, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you think
this means LSU won’t offer him? They really don’t have a lot of room left for this year. I don’t he would be crazy enough about the Tigers to greyshirt for them instead of start his freshman year for us.
by osceolafan850 on Sep 11, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
He might make the rotation.
I like the fact that we are taking up to 8 DL. We need at least 3-4 immediate contributors there out of this recruiting class.
Damien has just as good a shot as anybody to be one of those 3-4*.
*-Maybe not really. If we get McCloud, Miller, and can get Willis and they enroll early, they’ll be ahead of the curve. But Damien, Tavaris, Darius, etc will all be able to prove themselves and given a chance to make the rotation by mid-season.
Meant seeing PT
Don’t know why I typed start. With his size I would think he would get in the rotation unless the guys MattD mentioned would be just completely head and shoulders above him. Even if on nothing but rushing downs so he could clog the middle. I just want to see some LBs running free on the field again.
by osceolafan850 on Sep 11, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep, ESPN has him listed as verbal to FSU
Here’s the link to their analysis – they have him graded at 77 which equates to a 3-star.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=98509
Hey Bud
can you give me some rose colored glasses…im getting indigestion. Seriously, just tell us its going to be okay…
It'll be ok...
In 2010. Feel free to stop and buy yourself some more Rolaids….
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
We need to cut with cover 1 every play
Get more guys at the LOS to show blitz as well. I’m sick of our LBs 5 yards off – the QB knows we aren’t blitzing then.
I like the speed of AJ Alexander, can he tackle? Seems like a better option than Mangum at rover.
Dionte Allen...
I saw he was finally health enought to smell the grass on the field. I did not see him get burned, however, did not follow him too close. Any word on how he did? It seems that corners usually played well when you don’t hear their name much. Count me in as very disappointed in J. Rob. It seemed like the two I heard the most out of duing the offseason were Ponder and J Rob. Ponder looked great and should have had a better day if it wasn’t for his seniors failing to complete their routes; however Robinson looked out of position a lot.
Alexander
Is like 170 pounds soaking wet he isnt a rover not in any way shape or form. Not trying to get on you but not nearly big or physical enough to play that position.
Ok
He seems like he’d be better freelancing a bit more rather than playing strict man coverage. I think he could do some stuff at FS for us if Robinson continues to mess up.
by tdchrisdavis on Sep 11, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
nice breakdown
I gotta say that this board is one of the most sophisticated out there. Really great job of in-depth analysis, metrics, and telling it like it is and not sugar coating. Good stuff.
Best article of the year
right here. Loved it. Must have taken a lot of time to do as well. wow!!
A few comments/questions.
Is miami OL better than we expected or is FSU DL a lot worse than we thought? Phile steele has miami 4th OL. But he has clemson #2 OL and they looked awful. Looking at the team list in the ACC we are gonna be in trouble big time as a conference.
Clemson OL – eaten up bad vs GT
VT OL – got dominated vs bama
Miami OL – jury still out.
NC st OL – looked pretty bad vs SC. Wilson was pressure often but then again he played like a turtle.
GT OL – looked strong vs a good clemson d
So basically
FSU/GT and maybe miami have the best OLs in the ACC which usually means the best offenses.
Too bad we didn’t have last years D-line. That would pretty much make us a lock to be in the acc title game.
I went in to some big rant on OL play , my bad lol.
Don't know if it would take too long to do
but I’d like to see a comparison of the times from snap to throw for each QB.
I know some are designed short/quick throws, and others a guy just shakes free earlier, but I really think that Harris had 5-6-7 seconds many, many times. I’d be curious how our OL did to provide Ponder time. It looked good, but I’d be curious if he had as many plays were he could have eaten a bucket of wings before passing the ball like Jacory did.
I guess I have the game recorded and could do it if I were a glutton for punishment….I don’t really want to cry again though.
Just off memory
I would say Ponder was on top of his game regarding timing routes and did not need the 5+secs for the WR to break free.
In fact, a couple of times the WR settled in to a zone and Ponder threw it where they should* have been.
- - The INT at the end of the first half. There was a quick slant that looked dangerous but thats because the WR broke off the route.
moody at safety
we all know that moody is to mangum as jf is to ma, but since mangum’s biggest weakness (there were so many to choose from) was his coverage, particularly on the deep ball, should we be a little concerned about the 235 guy taking his place?
can moody wheel with wideouts in the open field?
(he’s bigger than most of our lb’s!)
Did Justin Bright see any action at safety?
I know most of you aren’t very high on the kid (slow and small), but wasn’t he listed as #2 on the depth chart at safey? Did Jamie Robinson play all night?
He didn't see any that I saw.
Terrance Parks was listed behind him and he saw playing time to spell Robinson.
by Bud Elliott on Sep 12, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions

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