Florida State Survives Jacksonville State 19-9
by Bud Elliott on Sep 12, 2009 9:22 PM EDT
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PrintOn a rainsoaked Tallahassee evening, one team came to play, and one team did not. Florida State was not motivated for this game against Jacksonville State, and realistically, they weren't expected to. Without a true head coach, the 'Noles lack the leadership needed to avoid the trap scenario. Between their epic battle with Miami last Monday night, a short work week (the Noles had only two days of practice), and a huge road game next weekend against Top-Ten ranked BYU, FSU did not come out focused. Jacksonville State led the game at halftime, 9-7, and both teams mixed big plays with sloppiness as holding on to the rain soaked ball became difficult, particularly for the Noles who didn't really seem to care. The crowd wasn't in the game either. The announced gate was over 70K, but over two inches of rain beat the crowd down to an estimate of under 40,000 fans. With less than 3 minutes left to play, the Noles still trailed the Gamecocks, but Florida State marched the ball down the field just as they had done throughout the game (400 yards on only 60 plays), but this time the Noles held on to the ball and a beautiful 24-yard pass to Richard Goodman put the Noles at the 1. Sophomore Ty Jones punched the ball in from there. The defense followed with a fumble recovery for a touchdown, but FSU missed both extra points on the rain-soaked field, to lead 19-9.
The 'Noles should be embarrassed by their performance, and from various reader reports, it was clear that the guys took the week off, going out late after practice, and not putting in the full effort. Jacksonville State, however, treated this game like their Super Bowl and they had two special players to help them with their goal. Using some plays the Florida Gators routinely use to destroy FSU Defensive Coordinator Mickey Andrews' defense behind the talent of former #1 Overall High School QB Ryan Perriloux, the Gamecocks routinely frustrated the FSU defense, converting 5 of their first 13 3rd down opportunities. The Gamecock defense had former 5* Defensive Tackle Torrey Davis in the middle of their defense and his considerable physical talents frustrated the Noles offense, as they were just 3 of 12 on 3rd downs, until they finally stepped it up in the 4th quarter.
But the real story of this game was sloppiness. The Noles offense moved the ball well enough to win, Gaining 407 yards on only 61 plays. But they were very sloppy and had terrible attention to detail, which means that many of those yards didn't turn into points. The Noles missed a field goal, two extra points, had a turnover on downs, fumbled twice in Jacksonville State territory (including one on the 2-yard line after a 30 yard run), had a muffed punt allowing Jacksonville State to resume their only scoring drive, and also had a roughing the punter penalty to extend a Jacksonville State drive. The defense allowed 330 yards on 69 plays, which outside of the 3rd down conversions through the first three quarters, isn't bad (4.9 allowed per play, albeit to Jacksonville State).
The Noles escaped the game without major injury and won, which were the two main goals given the weather conditions and de-motivational factors. Maybe this loss will serve as a wakeup call to the team.
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We still suck
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it was handed out on JustinTV
So technically, it’s their fault….
After watching this mess, actually following gamecast on my phone at a bar the 2nd half, I am embarrassed to have provided the video feed of this game. Un-effin-believable. Part of me wishes we would have lose so Mickey (and BB) would be that much closer to being tossed.
by thirdcoastnole on Sep 12, 2009 9:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes. I think this helps with that train's momentum even with a win.
A loss would’ve been a lynch pin, but this was progress… if there’s any silver lining.
I thought that for a second during the 3rd quarter.
Rain pouring. Miserable mess. So… familiar. Then I realized a second later: We could lose this game by 50 points, and it won’t matter. Nothing will change, no one will wake up, it won’t matter one bit. It. Never. Does. So this team needs to do whatever it can to keep our school’s name out of Jacksonville State’s athletic center for the rest of eternity.
wow, that LJ comment just gave me a heart attack… I’ve never been to tharinger and back so many times in 20 seconds
why should he come here
Really? If I was him, I would be wanting to play for championships. Seeing what we just saw, what makes you think that is close to happening?
No.
Every team does htis. J State is much more talented than some D1 teams, and we were in the worst of spots.
Two 5 stars at impact positions.
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
Regardless. I don't have a good feeling about any games anymore. Not even a 50% winning chance.
Bethune Cookman, NC A&T… they would be dangerous.
maybe we dont schedule them again?
maybe?
Or how about Troy in their place? I remember watching that on a TV in a mall when I was in Georgia and seeing us almost lose. At least then we can show UF what a trap game really looks like…
I saw genron posted on the TN Facebook comment post about our horrible defense....
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
Horrible, we only allowed 9 points, hell UF gave up 3 to Troy.
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
They gave up 6 points to Troy...
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
Thanks for the correction.
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
He just sorta made a wry comment on how we all think our d is terrible....
Nothing good or bad…
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
Just in case you missed my last post from weather thread......
“I have to be honest, I think this rain means it’s possible we lose this game. I would have said less than 1 percent without rain, but the rain probably ups that to around 5 percent. If we’re -3 or worse in turnovers (highly unlikely, but still possible) we could lose.
We will not be intense, our speed advantage will be negated — nobody will come to the game. I know, I know, that’s rampant pessimism, but got to keep it real."
+1
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
On a serious note, we need to adress what rain does to our zone blocking...
he have to have the ability to play more traditional and knock people off the ball when it gets sloppy. Next year our guys should all be over 300lbs, and that will help…
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
Thoughts
-Not confident on Joyner at all. I think we will still end up with him, just because he loves us. Ugghh. Just a really bad feeling.
-I love Fortson and his tools, but, like SWFL and I are discussing right now, he’s just not there yet. One year away. Focus.
-400 yards on 60 plays says it all.
-WORST. DEFENSE. EVER.
-Someone is going to blame this on Jimbo
-McDaniel is going to be very, very good.
-I’m irrational.
-Bradham showed up.
Fortson is really just not ready right now
He has the physical gifts, but we have WRs ahead of him on the field right now.
You know the Jimbo bashing will be more prevalent than the Mickey blame
Because we have a fanbase that for the most part, refuses to believe the game could’ve passed him by.
Swagger, Intensity, Execution
LJ is just a guy we need so badly
I don’t know if I could handle losing out on him
Swagger, Intensity, Execution
Yeah. Barkely looks good. Do we have another game thread for other games?
Should we post on the “Early Games” thread?
"Someone is going to blame this on Jimbo"
Do you plan on being a Nole fan for the next few years? Get ready.
I gotta watch the the Falcons play the Dolphins tomorrow...
I gotta get another bottle of Rolaids…
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
I'm curious on how some of the defensive players performed today
Does anyone have any stats for the defense?? If not can you guys just tell me who showed up to play and who stunk it up? I would really appreciate it.
Dionte Allen made plays
believe it or not
Special Teams
The thing that stood out to me was that against a D-II opponent without some former 5* returning kicks we were giving up big returns, almost getting punts blocked, and getting running into the kicker penalties for no good reason. You know I played pop warner football once when I was 10, can I coach special teams?
Hopefully in Provo it'll be dry. I want to see him throw a dry ball a full game.
…and see if the receivers can consistently catch the passes.
its been a hell of a season so far
All the penalties and mistakes reminded me of watching the 1-15 dolphins
Honestly ....
…. we must have the worst special teams coaching in all of football. I think if we just sent them out there without coaching at all, they’d do better.
I must be old...
… because I can’t tell if that’s a compliment or slam.
COMPLIMENT!
Thanks!
I’ve made plenty of stinkers, you must have missed them. I just try not to get into all the Gator hating and all the trash talk and just keep the focus on the things I know about which are the history of FSU football and leadership structures of organizations.
The other guys on this site know a LOT more about the X’s and O’s of football than I ever will.
What I know about our program is this: It is dysfunctional. Now, good things can happen in a dysfuncational organization, but not consistently and not at a level of excellence that reaches potential.
Tonight’s game is a great example. A sound organization (like we had for the better part of two decades) would not be susceptible to the array of factors (weather, let down, short week, etc) we faced this week. But the more of those factors that come into play in a dysfuncational organization, the better the chances of poor performance.
Why are we dysfuncational? No clear lines of authority. I’ve said this a number of times, but I would think Trickett in particular would be going bonkers working in this program. He of the military background where when you’re told old or ineffective to do the job you are PUT OUT TO PASTURE because people’s lives are on the line. Now, this isn’t life or death, but neither are the stakes in most organizations.
We have an emeritus leader, muddled lines of authority and communication and all the 300-pound tackles and 5 star recruits in the world aren’t going to change that (although GETTING those types of players is made harder by the ineffecitiveness of the organization! It’s a vicious circle!!!!!!!!!!!)
by Fsued on Sep 12, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Its like the offense took a step back to align themselves with the defense
We all worried about our defense after week one, but this week the offense looks like it went backwards. Hopefully it was just the weird week and the rain, but Ponder was back to starring at some receivers, not going through his reads and taking the short stuff. Plus Jimbo had some bad calls. Also, who knows when JT will be fully healthy, or Pressley.
Sorry but I gotta put this one on the players more than the coaches.
I understand all the coaching issues as well as the next guy, but this one IMO is on the players.
"but I'm funny how? I mean, funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh... I'm here to f**kin' amuse you?" -Goodfellas
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So let me get this straight
We had over 400 yards of offense, and we gave up about 330 to Jacksonville State. And people are going to blame Jimbo? If you hear someone do that, hit them. hard.
Swagger, Intensity, Execution
I blame Jimbo for Thompson carrying the ball on 3rd and 3
I didn’t understand that at all.
by tdchrisdavis on Sep 12, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we're going to be able to find ONE play we don't like at all times.
But all in all, we got ourselves a good learning experience, and it didn’t cost us in the record book this time.
by MattDNole on Sep 12, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Case in point
Already a thread on the warchant free board calling for Jimbo and Co’s collective heads. I want to smack them all.
Swagger, Intensity, Execution
Did you actually watch the game? Our defense gave up 330 yards partly because the offense kept going 3 and out then putting them back out on the field, and due to that former LSU QB running around (and some key holds they got away with).
Yes, I actually watched the game, thank you
We’re going to blame giving up 330 yards to Jacksonville State on the fact that they have a former LSU quarterback running around and some phantom penalties on short rest? Sorry, I don’t quite accept that an FSU defense should allow this to happen. But go ahead and keep on thinking that Mickey and company aren’t the problem. We love to hear those arguments here.
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I am very concerned about the unit that we all thought would show the most "Progression". Any takers?
"but I'm funny how? I mean, funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh... I'm here to f**kin' amuse you?" -Goodfellas
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Very concerned am I.
"but I'm funny how? I mean, funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh... I'm here to f**kin' amuse you?" -Goodfellas
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Nope.
I blame the rain for our smaller linemen not being able to pave the way as well tonight. I think Miami loaded the box and we threw to combat that. Two situations that I don’t think are indicative of what our OL will be for the rest of the year.
Swagger, Intensity, Execution
A friend of mine has said for years
We always play to the competition. Aside from the Gator butt whoopins, I think this is pretty on point.
A sure fire sign that we lack discipline
In the whole history of FSU football, I dont think anyone would ever say we were disciplined.
I feel dirty time for the shower
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Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
I'm just relieved...
….but it could be worse. We could be Oklahoma State
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
You nailed it
They won and didn’t get hurt..that’s the best you can take from this type of game.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Sep 12, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
YEah, I dont think so
Winning in the last minute is not the best to take from this kind of game.
See, I like to make fun of UF for their schedule. Its hard to do when I know the comeback will inevitably be “well at least we win our cupcake games.”
And win we did
It wasn’t easy but they got it done.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Sep 12, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Just because a W goes in the record book
I hardly call this a win. Maybe that is being a snob or whatever…but we did not “win” in a manner that is befitting a top tier program.
I'm not happy
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not happy, but I’d be apopletic if they lose
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by Curtain Jerker on Sep 12, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont care
this was not acceptable. Period. The day I accept todays outcome is the day I really have quit.
Keep this in perspective
It was obviously a terrible game but we proved we can play better than this just 5 short days ago. No need to mail it in right now. Completely understand your disgust, I stood in the stands in disbelief feeling sick for the entire game. We’re all pissed off right now, today’s game is clearly fresh on our brains but I don’t think our guys could have had a more obvious wake up call than today. How we bounce back from this will tell us quite a bit about our coaches and players.
Maybe you should quit being a fan. If the team’s performance is so unacceptable to you, I really don’t think we need fans like you around the program. I heard comments like these from the stands last Monday too and it makes me sick. Guy kept saying “oh we’ll just go 3 and out here like we always do” and then Christian would deliver a beautiful ball downfield and that guy would just have to shut his mouth for a few minutes. All these negative comments from fans only contribute to the problems this program is facing right now. I not saying this was a good game for the team, but I am proud of how they fought through the adversity and pulled out a win. SEMINOLE PRIDE!
by Nole Holds Barred on Sep 13, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry that was supposed to be a reply to MiamiNole
by Nole Holds Barred on Sep 13, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
So the fans are the problem huh?
It’s not the senile 80 year old man who has dragged down the program he built? It’s not the washed up D-coordinator who wanted to leave but was forced to stay? It’s not the worthless LB and special teams coaches simply collecting a paycheck? Look, if you don’t think every regular guy who posts here would be in that stadium yelling his lungs out, you are mistaken. Don’t confuse our actual breakdowns of games beyond the FSU athletic department press releases as negativity. We’ll support this team all day when they’re on the field, but we’re going to tell it how it is.
Swagger, Intensity, Execution
Weak, Nole Holds Barred.
I hope that was sarcasm. If it was, it was beautiful. And we’re not the guys saying, “oh we’ll just go 3 and out here like we always do.” Your post makes me think you spend time with guys who type that kind of stuff too.
hey there Nole Holds
I will never quit being a fan. Its called venting. I believe I have every right to do so. Im not gonna pump my chest out and show my credentials. Just because I refuse to be happy with how that game went (and I have since mellowed since the FSUn piece that went into why I shouldnt have been so upset.) doesnt mean Im a bad fan. Anyway, TRM pretty much summed it up, we arent those guys, and if you were serious…sucks for you.
We're going to have to ....
….. be a “pass to set up the run” team, which we have been a number of times over the years.
Doesn’t bother me to play that way, but we just need to understand that we have to throw A LOT of first down and run a lot in second or even third and long.
One of the biggest let downs I have ever seen
I am not going to get too critical until see the BYU game though. It is hard to believe they could play like this two weeks in a row.
Before the 360 went out on me I did see Chis Thompson make an electric run dodging guys up the middle. He looks like a good one. That much is a positive.
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Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
I didn't see the game.
I will watch the replay on espn 360 later, but I expected us to be very sloppy, but not this bad. It sounds like we literally just survived against a d2 team. I hope the guys were just looking ahead to BYU.
No s***
what is going on with them?
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by Curtain Jerker on Sep 12, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
The real issue tonight is recruiting
Why would a 5-star view this program as one on the verge of greatness?
+1
that is my concern to the tee. Losing to Miami, being aware the D is what it is, I didnt think we would be raising any banners this year. Todays game though, that hurts the future
Why does it hurt the future?
We had a letdown. It happens.
Here’s the key. We did about everything we could have wrong. But we won. If we somehow win next week this will all be forgotten.
Sometime this week I’ll try to post why I think a 5-star recruit would want to come to Florida State.
I'm of the same thinking
This happens. We hate it but it does. GT beat Gardner-Webb 10-7 and came back to win 9 games last season. We had a lot of unusual things going against us today and obviously need to re-group in a major way, but I’m not willing to make doomsday predictions when I just saw us play a much better game 5 nights ago.
Eh,
these guys play ball, they know about overlooking a team.
Plus, this wasn’t a TV game, most recruits didn’t watch it.
by Bud Elliott on Sep 12, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
You dont think these kids are going to hear about this game
from our competitors?
Like Matt said above, if we win next week, this will be forgotten. Unfortunately, I dont have the gift of being in next week. I am festering right now.
I don't think that
“Hey, they almost lost to J-ville State” has a big impact in a kid’s mind. If we had, that would’ve been a different story. All they’ll see is a 10 point win on what they know was a letdown game.
Swagger, Intensity, Execution
Yeah, but they see the score and they'll know what happened
Losing to J State with 2 minutes to play? It’ s going to hurt.
It's just going to require our coaches to do their jobs.
And tell recruits why this is where they should be and how their presence will prevent stuff like this from happening in the future.
And ....
… it SHOULD hurt. It’s embarassing because it’s unacceptable that we are still at the level where when we face adversity (weather/short week/mobile QB/ etc.) we can’t handle it.
didnt someone comment earlier ( i missed most of the game)
that special teams was atrocious?
Can we blame some on the players, and more on the coaches?
Well...
… see my long post about midway through this thread for the complete answer.
I never blame players exclusively. It’s like blaming soldiers in a war. While they may perform at a low level, ultimately, its the responsibility of officers to lead and win battles. If you have poorly trained men, train them. If you have men who can’t do the job (ie Mangum) move them off the front lines and replace them with someone who can.
You know you’ve got a bad general, when an army faces adversity and falls apart.
“Oh gee General, it was raining so hard out there I just couldn’t fight well. And, you know, we were just in that big battle we lost a few days ago and I was distracted by that. Plus, those other guys are better than people think …”
It’s all just pathetic to me.
Here's my point...
The coaches had a hand in this but the players have to take some responsibility as well. Kenny Shaw can look at this game and say “If I were there, I wouldn’t have fumbled on the 2.” Gio Bernard can look at CT and say “I would have converted that 3rd down.”
Jeff Luc? He would have gotten RP down on some of those pass rushes. LJ wouldn’t have let his man be open for long gains. When coaches are at fault, recruits see a problem with the program. Hopefully we will address those problems this off-season with a few retirements and a few firings.
When the players mess up, recruits should only see opportunity.
It's a good point....
… but it’s a “half full” approach (on a night when I’m in a decidely “half empty” frame of mind!)
If I were an opposing coach, I’d be saying: Look, they were one play away from being the next Michigan. They can’t beat their rivals, they’re in weak conference, they’re legendary coach is leaving, they had half the stadium empty last Saturday — what the heck are you doing even CONSIDERING them?
And then we rail them for negative recruiting
It can be handled. Many recruits state that they HATE negative recruiting. But we all know it happens.
Swagger, Intensity, Execution
That's when our coaches say...
They may be in a weak conference but they are always on national tv and will have a great chance at BCS bowls with your help. You will have enormous exposure for the league playing here regardless of conference.
Our legend coach is leaving, but he’s spent almost 3 years now mentoring and tutoring our next head coach, giving him the tools he needs to succeed. Jimbo can combine what he’s learned under Bobby with what he’s picked up throughout his career and be a very successful head coach.
Our stadium is usually full when it counts. It’s definitely full when we’re winning. When you help us win, it will be packed and loud.
You have a chance to start as a freshmen and you will be on TV 5-8 times a year
will make many recruits think long and hard about not coming here.
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Thank god it wasn't on TV
The only thing most people will see is the score, and thanks to McNeil’s fumble return, it almost looks like a respectable score – too bad we missed those two extra points, we could have used those to pad our total.
Also, I wonder if there’s any thought to using Esco for extra points. Two weeks in a row, Hopkins has been shaky to say the least, although he looks much better on the long kicks.
I would have put in Esco after the first miss
just to remind Hopkins that the job is not a given, although I’m not sure what that would have done to his confidence.
Esco for XP and Hopkins for FG's from now on, if I were coach.
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Sorry ....
… just don’t buy that. This would have been App St The Sequel if we had lost and we could have EASILY lost. You don’t come that close to that kind of disaster and walk away unscathed on the recruiting front, esp. in this day and age where every thing about every program is under the microscope.
I have to agree with those saying
that if we somehow beat BYU, this game will be forgotten. I fully believe that. However, I’m not optimistic on us accomplishing that.
Swagger, Intensity, Execution
The DI-AA Distinction is there
but we were 31 point faves, there are bigger upsets than that each week. We didn’t lose the game.
Know what Coley will say? They were D1-AA, our guys didn’t take them seriously, but when the game was on the line we stepped up and scored 2 TD’s in 2 minutes to put it away. And rain.
I am saying this is pretty easy to explain away, you have every factor present.
Oh, and we played a lot of freshmen… we can pitch that we just played a lot of freshmen.
by Bud Elliott on Sep 12, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I hope you are right ...
… but I fear you are not.
You might be right about the recruits
I was just talking about the public perception.
This year
Is one in which the public perception of our program really doesn’t matter. We aren’t playing for a national title, we don’t care about our ranking. The only thing we’re focused on is somehow playing for the ACC title and public perception can’t influence that.
Swagger, Intensity, Execution
Public perception always matters
also, I hate to get alot of shit from people when we do poorly. There’s nothing people love more than to kick a once proud program when it’s down- especially if we had lost to those jokers.
Disagree, IMO
But I guess if you live around a lot of rival fans, it could be annoying to hear that we’re not any good.
Swagger, Intensity, Execution
the worst game i've ever watched in my entire life...
with 35 seconds left in the game i said to myself, “at least now i know we’ve hit the bottom, and cannot possibly get any worse.”
Bobby actually looked angry tonight instead of just confused.
I hope he points his rage in the right direction. I kinda looked like Jimbo was getting the brunt of it.
Was wondering if anyone caught that.
I make it a habit to miss that garbage, but it somehow ended up on my radio tonight. To Darkhorse99, Bobby sounded like he had just had the night of his life. The whole segment was Bobby reflecting on games he used to play against Jax State (before he forgot who he’d faced tonight), and I guess the best he’d ever done until tonight was tie them. (Pardon me if any of this is wrong – I didn’t give a **** while I was listening either.) You’ll never believe this, but I got the sense listening that it’s all about Bobby. Anyway, anger? Confusion? Maybe confused, but he sounded like he was doing just fine. Gene sent him off by wishing him a good night’s sleep. (True story.)
And since I need to get this in somewhere: Tonight was unacceptable. I know a win’s a win. I know what trap games are. I loathe playing on Saturday after a Monday, and I know we’ve never played particularly well in such games. And I know recruits read TN. Tonight was absolutely unacceptable.
I'm really missing
the blocking of Surrency and Carr — we can’t seem to get the bubble screeens or short passing game going.
Very true
I noticed that tonight. It’s one of the most overlooked factors in the game—blocking from receivers.
Swagger, Intensity, Execution
Miami covered em
but today they were a problem.
by Bud Elliott on Sep 12, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Easterling gave up on his blocks or was beat a few times last night.
by basbalstr101 on Sep 13, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Hell, on one play he blocked his man
right into JT and caused a loss.
by Chris Gadsden on Sep 13, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Bradham gave Perriloux something to remember this game by towards the end of the game.
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I hope Dekoda comes around, because so far I am less than impressed.
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For a senior, he appears out of position and lost at times.
But the defense came through on JSU last 3 possessions BIG TIME.
If 3.5 is correct, they must have come at the end of the game.
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i was also surprised to read 3.5 sacks when i got home
It certainly didn’t feel like an “Everette Brown vs. Maryland” type 3.5 sack game.
by The K-Man on Sep 13, 2009 5:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
On another note
Notre Dame only lost by four points do you think they will move them into the number one spot now?
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Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
Loved Watching Hard Knocks this year
Great coaches.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
by onebarrelrum on Sep 13, 2009 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I could have sworn that Moody liked he really hurt his shoulder
Like the separated-shoulder kind of injury
Yes, he was back in the game later and made or helped on a play.
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idc what they say about the defense
i tip my hat off to them in this game, it was only jack state, but they stepped up when we needed, and even added the usual fsu impact defensive td at the end, that 4th qt i liked what i saw, just attacking and swarming.
i was sittin there thinkin every time jack state had the ball…“this is ironic, we said our offense would bail us out all year and its 4th qt and we’re askin our d to bail us out”……which they did.
and shout out to my boy goodman, i said back over the summer he’d be one of our biggest wildcards this year and he has showed up, right now im giving him the nod for best wr on our team imo right now.
and shoutout also to jacobbi mcdaniels, i said last week he should be starting after re-watching the miami game 4 times, and he proved it, as a true freshman, he is our best interior linemen, maybe best overall d-linemen.
"theres two types of people in this world, those who CARRY a spear and those who FEAR the spear"-James Coley
*another thing i loved
the fire from coach bowden, im one of those that have him on a pedestal and will always love him and i realize its pretty much time for him relinquish the reigns, but he showed some fire out there (on that pass interference he was IN the ear of the ref) and he was on jimbo.
i just wanna throw that out there, i loved seeing that….
"theres two types of people in this world, those who CARRY a spear and those who FEAR the spear"-James Coley
I think he needs to go
but I was happy to see that he was as upset as I was.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Sep 12, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
yea im one of those that think he can do no wrong
but i do realize its almost that time for him, but just to see he still has that fire literally was one of the few smiles i got from this game, and by few i mean only 3…
A)his fire
2)our winning touchdown
D)nigels hit on ryan at the end of the game..ohh my whoollee household “ohh” and “awwed” on that one haha
"theres two types of people in this world, those who CARRY a spear and those who FEAR the spear"-James Coley
I loved Bradham just bringing the lumber too
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Sep 12, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
jfree, honest question, not a bait:
If we had lost this game, would you have demanded change at the top, i.e., bye-bye Bowden?
you know a wins a win
But win or lose I think these games means change needs to come from somewhere. The Booseters need to open there eyes, the next Prez needs to see this too. FSU has some great things but BB and MA legacys are going to be thrown into the mud if they keep this crap up. Win or lose change needs to be made.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
Bowden's legacy's gone.
Mickey’s is fine. jfree, if you’re still there, I really am just looking for your honest opinion. Wondering what it will take. No desire to sway you.
I think most of us have some amount of respect for Bowden...
…and that makes it hurt worse to see what he’s doing to this program and his legacy….
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
g/f works for the boosters
ill tell her to drop some knowledge.
but his fire wont win games.
1) he doesnt were a headset
2) does he know all the players names.
3) Does he realy care about the football program or something else.
If he cared as much as some thing then why O why would he have MA CTC and the DE/ST idiot still coaching his Def that cant stop the Spread, cant stop a running QB, cant cover a TE, and gives up
team passing rushing todal
miami 387 90 471
Jaz St 231 97 310
Thats 781 total yards in 2 games.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
yea
sorry guys i was lettin some frustration out on ps3, but to answer the question i wouldnt like coach bowden kicked out on his ass, but we would need swift action to right the ship, but thats “what if” scenarios, i think this process has to be handled delicately not just for the football program, but also for the after shocks that could follow.
"theres two types of people in this world, those who CARRY a spear and those who FEAR the spear"-James Coley
*and to clear it up
as much i love coach bowden, i do think its time for him to just step back and let us rise, i didnt mean to make the post sound like i want him coaching forever and a day, i just simply was sayin i liked the fire i saw…
"theres two types of people in this world, those who CARRY a spear and those who FEAR the spear"-James Coley
Which aftershocks?
Who would feel them?
by Bud Elliott on Sep 13, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
it would resonate through the whole program
players, recruits, fans everything.
(after shocks like these im referring too if he was just ousted)
but if we had a proper timeline for his retirement, we could actually appreciate coach bowdens time in the program and everything hes given us.
and then we could also focus on other positional changes.
"theres two types of people in this world, those who CARRY a spear and those who FEAR the spear"-James Coley
We do, 1/10/2011, he just needs to stick to it, or even better, sooner.
but if we had a proper timeline for his retirement
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well we know he will be gone by 2011
but we’re not completely sure if this wont be his last, if we have a medicore season, he might want to come back, but look for someone to step up and say its time to move on, regardless if he wants to come back for the 2010 season.
"theres two types of people in this world, those who CARRY a spear and those who FEAR the spear"-James Coley
Just my opin, he will be back next year unfortunately.
Then in 2011 we will be having to push him out the door, as he is holding on to the door frame kicking and screaming “How can you do this to me after all I have done for this program”, while Jimbo is prying his fingers off the door jamb.
With all due respect for BB of course, but even with my sarcasm, I’m still thankful for what he has done, that is why I want him to go out standing proud and not crying and screaming.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
Sorry, recrruits don't know this guy. Dekoda Watson called him a grandpa who you see once in a while (I have this on tape)
Honestly, the program wouldn’t miss him at all. That we are still a bowl team with him running the show speaks to the effort put in by the assistants.
by Bud Elliott on Sep 13, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
This one.
No aftershocks. At this point, it’s what’s the earliest possible date we can start from scratch with what we have? And seriously, who at this point would even criticize the move on FSU’s part? Wasn’t that the original argument regarding the sensitivity of the ouster, I mean, transition? and jfree, I can’t tell if you’re a serious FSU fan or not, but if you’re a serious Bowden fan, you haven’t seen ugly yet. Stay tuned.
I just wonder what a proper timeline is...
Seems to me, he has had every opportunity to do what he has to fix the program.
There is no proper timeline.
Seriously, he’s blown it. He needs to just get out. Like right now. Before 5. Health concerns, Jimbo’s taking over, congrats JoePa, I hope the fans remember me from when I was healthy (oh, you know he would), and that’s it. Jimbo gets his guys into the program midnight, November 29, or the second the clock hits 0:00 on our new DC’s bowl game if he won’t bolt. Shouting in the streets and there’s a chance – a chance – Bowden saves his legacy. He has 32 minutes.
Very frustrating
I have no expectations for this program as long as we are more worried about placating Bobby than winning. My only hope is that we hit a HR with the search for a new president, he brings in a solid AD to RUN THE ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT, and these two things allow Jimbo to assert virtual control of the team and staff. This is competition and business, just think of the disadvantages in coaches, recruiting, fundraising, and leadership we have compared to UF.
The most upsetting thing about this season is that there has been no mention of a Bowden “farewell” tour. I mean, it’s looking more like he will be back next year.
This is a throwaway season, so go ahead and announce he’s done and just make it a big farewell spectacle, so when the offseason starts we can really get down to business for the future of this program.
When I start sucking at my job I will find something else to do and won't keep ruining peoples' lives by sucking at my job.
Ponder
On the short week
"I think the short week kind of hurt us a bit, we didn’t have the focus and Monday probably carried over a bit but it shows the character of the guys. We were able to pull it out and Rich(ard) made a heck of a catch and Ty Jones was able to punch it in. A wins a win but we have to learn from it."
On what the team can take from the win
"I think number one, is that it’s a learning lesson but the tough schedule that we have up next I think it definitely woke everyone up. We have to do some soul searching and if we want to have a successful season we got to change a lot of things."
Even if Bobby and MA leave, is Jimbo for sure the answer?
He has had complete control of the offense for a while, and they still have ups and downs. We will not know if he is all that as a head coach until he takes over. I know its good for recruits to know who the next head coach will be, but a program like FSU may have had interest from other experienced coaches (Cincy’s staff, Mark Richt, etc). I pull for Jimbo to do well, just not sure what he has done to make everyone so dead sure he is that much better than other coaches they bash. Its like people just need someone to bash. When Jeff Bowden was here, he was the target, and fans said they felt sorry for Mickey, but now they attack Mickey and CTC (many wished him back when he was gone and denounced Steele..now they want Steele back). Not only does Andrews have a young defense, but we are lucky he did not tell FSU to go to * after they snubbed him as a possible head coach after all these years.
The game passes everyone by eventually. Sure, MA used to be great, but it’s a new era in football where information must be processed on a completely different level, and MA is in over his head. MA is on a steep decline, and the longer he stays the worse shape we will be in. This defensive staff can’t recruit worth a damn anymore, including CTC. The top players we’ve gotten pretty much fell in our lap, whether it be because they are from the Big Bend or because UF, UGA, etc had overcrowded depth chart.
As for Jimbo… I’m not sure if he’s the “answer,” but his work with Ponder has been outstanding and this offense is light years ahead of where it was before he got here. I’m willing to give him a chance, but the longer we wait the harder it is going to be for him to succeed. If Bowden stays another year, we’re looking at 2013 as the earliest year we can start playing at an elite level.
When I start sucking at my job I will find something else to do and won't keep ruining peoples' lives by sucking at my job.
Do you have any idea what he's done here?
Recruiting has been exponentially improved, competent coaches have been hired, modern practices installed, the ENTIRE attitude of FSU football has changed. As FSUn has said, it’s almost impossible to give him enough credit for what he’s done, but can you really not see it?
Swagger, Intensity, Execution
nolestuff
It would take pages to get into what Jimbo means to this program right now. Use TN as a resource – it’s all here – because we are going to need you and everyone reading this in the next 2 or 3 years. I can’t say it enough, though I’m sure plenty think I’ve been overstating: Get ready.
happy =)
we won the game……i hate our defensive coaching staff so much
to be honest
that defensive staff still held the oppostion to 9 points, dont care who your playing, i think if anybody on this website was told before hand we’d hold jack state to 9 that this game woulda been over by halftime, shit some of yalls predictions had jack state scoring 17,21,28 and even 35….
i shouldnt have been biting my nails against jack state….
"theres two types of people in this world, those who CARRY a spear and those who FEAR the spear"-James Coley
*just checked officially
and by a quick over glance of the thread, the lowest prediction on what jack state would score was 13….soo i would hope we could just lay off the D for one week.
i really dont think it was just because it was jackstate but i think i saw a really better effort compared to the miami game, mcneil stepped up, jacobbi has to be the starter, bradham showed he will be a first pick down the line, and nick moody is crucially better than magum.
it looked like our defense wanted to win this one…not the offense.
"theres two types of people in this world, those who CARRY a spear and those who FEAR the spear"-James Coley
Yes, but look at the play and the results
Look what Andrew Carter said. He had the sky-view. Scary stuff
-This defense has major, major issues. Yeah, only gave up nine points. Yeah, it scored a touchdown for the second consecutive week. But the Gamecocks had receivers running open all day long. At least the pass rush improved. FSU finished with 7 sacks, half of those coming from Dekoda Watson. But most Division I-A teams would have had their way with FSU tonight, especially given all the blown coverages.
by Bud Elliott on Sep 13, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
In comparison
The offense had 400 yards on only 61 plays, and had a missed a field goal, two extra points, had a turnover on downs, fumbled twice in Jacksonville State territory (including one on the 2-yard line after a 30 yard run), had a muffed punt allowing Jacksonville State to resume their only scoring drive, and also had a roughing the punter penalty to extend a Jacksonville State drive.
Yards are more repeatable than points. Yards are a much better indicator than points, in terms of judging performance game to game. And turnovers are the worst indicator of how to judge a team.
What I am saying is expand. Be smarter by watching the game smarter. A guy runs wide open against our defense and the qb has time but doesn’t see him or he drops the ball. Is that good defense? Heck no, but it won’t show up in points. What if the guy hits him and he runs for 30 yards and then fumbles? Good defense? Heck no, but it doesn’t show up on the scoreboard.
by Bud Elliott on Sep 13, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is a good point
about the D doing better than any of us predicted. However, we were predicting ATROCIOUS, and better than atrocious is not “excellent”. But I was glad to see that they bent without breaking most of the game.
by Chris Gadsden on Sep 13, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
It's pretty apparent
that a lot of our players don’t quite understand their responsibilities on defense. I wish I could just recall a lot of it, but I was just fuming and drenched most of the time.
That being said, Moody was a breath of fresh air. It was funny watching Harley come in, and P-Rob, before the play, running up to him and telling him what to do.
I’m starting to settle in on Yarborough. He’s just a notch below serviceable, and his presence speaks volumes about the attitudes of our senior DEs, but it’s just not hitting me as bad as the other disappointments =/
by pillsburysoldier on Sep 13, 2009 12:59 AM EDT reply actions
i like how.......
mangum wasnt even dressed for the game…..hes awful
i was at the game and it was so stressful =(
Moody came back in the last couple of series which is good news. Maybe only a shoulder stinger?
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
Hero of the game no one is talking about
Shawn Powell! His late punt to bury Jacksonville St. inside the 10 was big.
Damn
I just watched the replay, and I am glad I didn’t watch it live. It would have scared the living crap out of me. We really were about to lose to Jacksonville State!
yup
Ponder threw a sure pick at the end with about 2 mins left. A very, very lucky drop.
I overheard
“so uh…I’m about ready to drown in some alcohol.”
“I’m about ready to drive my car into a building.”
Being in the stands was awful until the last 3 minutes
by pillsburysoldier on Sep 13, 2009 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Christian Ponder FTW
He has started 15 games… 6 of those have been blowouts (1 loss to UF, wins over Maryland, Wisconsin, UTC, Western Carolina, and Colorado).
In the other 9 games, he has led FSU on 4th quarter TD drives that either sealed victories, won the game, or gave FSU a darn good chance to win the game in 6 of them. (wins over Miami, JSU, NC State, and Clemson, losses to Miami and GT)
In the VT game… he helped the offense decide it in the 3rd and 4th quarters as well.
Wake and BC are the only exceptions where he did not perform in the clutch.
Dude has ice water in his veins.
by MattDNole on Sep 13, 2009 7:45 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Defensive statistics for us and GT against Jax St.
Very similar we gave up 310 total offensive yards while Georgia tech allowed 291. Passing yards we gave up 213 GT gave up 193. On the rushing front we held Jax St. to 97 while GT gave up 98. First downs, we allowed 15 while GT gave up 20. The only significant difference in the games was that we allowed a staggering 17.8 yards per completion, while GT only gave up 8.4 ypc. Perrolouix was absent in the GT so take that into consideration. All in all the defense keep us in the game this time around and performed well at crucial times.
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
GT gave up much of that yardage in garbage time
That game was in hand early, and they pulled a lot of starters. It has to be taken into account. But no, they didn’t have Perriloux to deal with.
Swagger, Intensity, Execution
mcdaniel.......
how many tackles did he have?
I think Mcdaniel will be more of an impact player than Reid
In terms of body structure, he looks so different than any player I’ve seen (in my limited experience)
hes so wide and low to the ground. cant wait until he gets stronger.
The K-Man's Komprehensive Komments
I’m over 24 hours late throwing my hat into the ring due to excessive consumption and travel, but here’s what I took home from last night’s game (besides patches of wet grass on my car’s upholstery)
*Whomever stayed from the kick-off until the final whistle earned their badges last night. I relish every aspect of the game day experience, but the 1st half down pour was borderline miserable. Thank goodness it wasn’t colder like UM in 2003.
*The crowd was surprisingly loud in the 4th quarter and responded well to the defense finally buckling down. In the first half, I was getting funny looks for screaming and stomping. Nobody saw that type of clunker coming.
*The fact most fans were wearing ponchos helped mask the sparseness of the crowd. 3 fans in ponchos take up more visual space than 3 dry fans. You could sit almost anywhere you wanted around midfield.
Now to the actual game…..
The second play of the game was a great foreshadowing that “Lucy, we have a problem!”. The Jax St. receiver sprinting down Monroe Street as Perrilloux mercifully overthrew him…..wow. Patrick Robinson and the safety were running 10 yards behind and seemingly making eye contact and thinking, “whose fault is this gonna be when he catches it and runs another 45 yards untouched?” Indefensible missed assignment. Ponder’s been largely threading the ball in between safeties and trying to put passes into tight spots while a FCS team has receivers running wild through our secondary.
*Another play that jumped out at me was Jax St.’s long screen pass in the 4th quarter. NOBODY was home. Indefensible. I was actually shocked when we stayed home for their flea flicker-type play.
Carlton Jones performed very well with what he worked with. Our RB shouldn’t get hit as soon as the ball is handed off vs. an FCS team. Ty Jones is proving to be a great Return on Investment for a 2-star that only Toledo was after. He almost broke that huge run early. Has anybody broken down the O-Line’s individual performances yet? From the stands, it was hard to tell. Ponder was pressured early and often. It appeared that their Dline was getting more pressure than ours. Christian’s happy feet actually reappeared at one point.
MattD, great point about CP’s 4th quarter bravado. It was simply non-existent for the better part of this decade. For DW and XLee, it never happened. In fact, they collapsed miserably on multiple attempts. I know that a couple CP passes were almost picked on the game-winning(saving) drive, but I was quietly confident that we’d march right down the field again like he’d done before. He’s raising his own bar pretty high.
I saw some good things on film from Richard Goodman against UM (despite the miscues), and his performance on Saturday was no surprise. After his big catch and run first down on the last drive, I texted my friend “Goodman is a grown man now”. This isn’t the 17-year old that played in 2005. His reversed TD catch will be filed in my memory bank mainly for the previous play. He was absolutely tattoo’d (pun intended) less than 30 seconds before that catch on the botched screen/bubble play. He popped back up in pain, caught his breath, then lined up and made an enormous catch to bail out the team.
And speaking of senior receivers rising to the occasion, shout out to Rod Owens. He’s playing with obvious confidence and focus for the first time in 2009. He’s making the tough, important catches that Taiwan made last year.
***And while still on the WR subject, great point MissouriNole about the poor WR blocking. There was a letdown between games. Some of the missed assignments were blatant and devastating. The aforementioned play where Goodman was rocked is an example. That could’ve been a program-crushing turnover. On the long play negated by a hold on Jarmon, the Jax St. receiver was being hooked under the armpit from behind. Terrible. Watch Bert Reed’s 2008 Youtube highlights and notice that most of his big plays were sprung by Smurf and Preston’s big blocks. No telling how much YAC we squandered by poor WR blocking last night.
Bobby Bowden is famous for the locker room line, “the seniors won’t let us lose”. If he’s been paying attention these past couple games, he should ad lib, “the seniors, Greg Reid, and Jacobbi McDaniel won’t let us lose”.
In all seriousness, Jacobbi has exceeded the steep odds as a true freshman thus far. A serious man crush may be developing. How much did Lee Gordon report Jacobbi was offered by the Brewers? Odell should’ve matched the phantom figure. The kid is a little pit bull in the trenches. He’s hands down the most disruptive DLineman. If Mincey bounces back in the next couple games, he’ll need to seriously outwork #99 to win playing time. The OLine talent dropped off between Miami and Troy (or was it Jax St?), but a big reason for our added success was more reps for McDaniel and less reps for other unnamed defensive tackles.
While still on the subject of the DLine….bless Everette Dawkins’ heart for getting big minutes inside. He didn’t sign up for it, but he’s stepping up to try and help the team.
Moses needs to awaken the beast within. We demand too much too soon from our defensive tackles due to the reasons we’ve highlighted many times (recruiting, coaching, etc.), but it’s time for #90 to make his presence felt.
****Craig Yarborough is leaving everything on the field. We’re not going to compete for BCS bowl wins by starting DE’s without the total package (ability to disrupt the passing game, notably), but #91 is maxing out his abilities. It’s not his fault that he’s playing so much. Kudos to him and the effort.
If you were watching the game on ESPN360, you saw the K-Man laughing and carrying on with 2:24 on the clock and FSU still trailing at home to a 1-AA team. I had no choice but to distract myself from the overwhelming gravity of what was on the horizon. At that moment, my friend and I were commenting on the visiting team’s players taking might FSU to the brink. They looked like a great high school team or a poor man’s FAMU. The inclement weather prevented the K-Man from taking photographs, but the photos are in my mind. The gamecocks featured several linemen about 5’11" with love handles and no butts. I didn’t notice a single prime athlete on the sidelines (outside of Perrilloux, who had a tremendous effort).
*When McNeil was rumbling into the endzone for the touchdown, I screamed and cheered like it was Ward-to-Dunn-for-6. I guess my joy reservoirs were overstocked due a patently joyless contest up to that point. Sweet release.
*Sitting behind the visiting bench, it wasn’t a stretch to assume we were outcoached. Some of their defensive coaches were rabidly firing up their players. I watched one of their coaches lay a shoulder into his players (violently) and scream in their faces during timeouts. He was challenging their manhood. Guess what? They responded. I specifically saw #31 get to Ponder immediately after his coach’s challenge. Does Chuck Amato lay a titty into his players and high-pitch scream at them? He should.
The Jacksonville State coaches had their players thinking they would win from start to finish. Good for them.
Quick Hitters:
*I won’t be soured by Chris Thompson’s forgettable debut. He was hesitant to make cuts upfield, but in his defense the holes weren’t there and his game doesn’t benefit from a slick field. He’s not Jerome Bettis. He’ll be great. Maybe this year.
*Bradham has taken a giant leap from year 1 to year 2.
*Watson will cause many a QB to fumble this year coming off the edge.
*We’re gonna give a up a crucial TD if Powell continues outkicking the coverage with long line drive punts.
*Wasn’t pleased with the decision to kick a 47-yard FG on 4th and 2 on a wet field.
*I like Moody getting a bunch of reps. He’s living up to the billing as a punishing hitter. Great last name for a big hitter. How’s his coverage skills/play recognition? I don’t really care right now. The previous guys were below average and they didn’t hurt anyone like Nick might.
*During that tense 4th quarter, The K-Man was already looking at the silver lining of a humiliating loss. Crisis precipitates change……..
by The K-Man on Sep 14, 2009 3:12 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
great write up and rec'd
But watching the game on sunshine, it seemed like they had more guys than just Perrilloux. The running back that caught the long screen pass was from G T and the announcers actually said he scored against FSU last year. They also had a D-lineman transfer from Florida. Don’t know if he was a scholarship guy or not…just saying. But you are right…they looked tiny, very tiny.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
by onebarrelrum on Sep 14, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Torrey Davis is the transfer from UF.
He was a 5* recruit, played huge minutes for UF and was a big part of the defensive line that stopped Oklahoma in the MNC game.
Was he actually booted from the team?
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
by onebarrelrum on Sep 14, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah yes. Do remember that a bit.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
by onebarrelrum on Sep 14, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha! There is no greater joy than that of the sweet release. LLO
I guess my joy reservoirs were overstocked due a patently joyless contest up to that point. Sweet release.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
One more thing I forgot to mention.
Personally, the absolute pinnacle of absurdity occurred when Nick Moody injured his shoulder in the 4th quarter. I believe we had just given up a big play. As Moody was gingerly moving towards the sidelines, his replacement began running onto the field. It was the walk-on #8, Chad Colley. I’m not sure what happened with the substitutions, but he ended up not playing that play. Knowing that our defense was blowing assignments in the secondary all game, how much more absurd could things get than a walk-on DB listed at 161 lbs. getting crucial PT while our team is being taken to the brink by an FCS school at Doak?
"Does Chuck Amato lay a titty into his players and high-pitch scream at them? He should."
Of all the highlights, this one won out. Beat Lee Gordon’s phantom figure by only a hair. Good work.
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