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Letdowns and Lookaheads Spur a Wild Weekend of College Football

Perusing the college football schedule this weekend, I was disappointed.  It seemed there weren't many good games.  In fact, only one game featured a matchup of ranked teams!  The Noon game on ESPN was Wisconsin against Fresno State.  The 3PM games featured unranked Tennessee hosting unranked UCLA, and Michigan hosting Notre Dame.  After an amazing opening weekend of college football, I couldn't help but to think about what the 3rd week would hold, featuring matchups of Georgia Tech @ Miami, Tennessee @ Florida, Texas Tech @ Texas, Florida State @ BYU, and Nebraska @ Virginia Tech.

You could say that this weekend was a bit of a letdown after the high of the opening week, and that I was looking ahead to the next week.  It seems that most of college football was as well.  

It started with Colorado on Friday night.  After losing their rivalry game in crushing fashion to Colorado State, the Buffaloes went to Toledo as favorites, and were houses by the rockets 30-3 before the end of the 3rd quarter.  The announcers remarked how Colorado was not ready to play that game.  Teams should have watched that game and seen a favored Big12 team losing to a MAC team as a wakeup call for Saturday.  They didn't.  

Saturday started with some early scares.  Northwestern needed a 50+ yard field goal to escape Eastern Michigan at home!  Wisconsin needed Overtime to rid themselves of Fresno State.  Indiana barely held off Western Michigan.  But not everyone escaped in the early games.  Michigan State hosted Central Michigan as two-touchdown favorites and were soundly outplayed, finally losing on a field goal.  To whom might the spartans have been looking ahead?  Why Notre Dame, of course, on the road next week.   

To the afternoon set, where teams still hadn't figured out that this was the weekend for average or bad teams to rise up.  West Virginia fooled around with East Carolina for a half before finally dispatching the pirates.  Could WVU have been distracted by their trip next week to a much improved Auburn team?  Texas traveled to Wyoming in a very strange circumstance (seriously, when does Texas agree to go to Wyoming?), and the #2 team in the country, a 34 point favorite, led lowly Wyoming by only 3 at half, 13-10, before finally coming to their senses.  The sloppiness they showed in the first half, however, leads me to believe they might have been thinking about revenge on Texas Tech next week, who last year dashed the Horns' title hopes.  Over on ESPN, Tennessee hosted an unranked UCLA squad in Rocky Top.  The Volunteers were a 10 point favorite over a UCLA team which had to travel cross country to play the game.  But Tennessee had 4 turnovers on 4 consecutive drives and failed to recover UCLA's 6 fumbles.  UT had only 2 drives over 60 yards, and managed only 3 yards per play.  Not surprisingly, they fell to UCLA at home, 19-15, in a game they easily could have won.  Could Tennessee have been looking ahead to something?  A quick look at the week three schedule reveals that Tennessee travels to play the National Champions in Gainesville next week in their SEC opener.  And everyone knows how much smack new Tennessee coach Lane Kiffin talked about the Gators, and there is no doubt Tennessee was looking ahead to the showdown in the swamp.  

Elsewhere in the afternoon slate, Colorado State, fresh off their huge win against rival Colorado, had to mount a furious comeback just to beat Division I-AA (okay, "FCS") Weber State.  Seems the Rams were still coming off a huge game last week, but they also could have been looking ahead to their showdown with conference elite Nevada.  Favored by 12 and playing at home, UAB hosted Southern Methodist, and promptly found themselves down 28-7.  Could they have been looking ahead to their matchup with Conference Champion Troy?  Maybe so, but after being very sloppy in the opening, they tried to come back, and couldn't, falling short, 35-33.  Up in College Park, MD, Maryland hosted DI-AA James Madison.  Fresh off a blowout loss to Cal, the Terrapins probably thought they'd get a nice win easy win against James Madison, but it was anything but as Maryland needed overtime to beat the D1-AA squad.  In Tallahassee, the Noles probably had the worst set of situational factors of them all.  They lost a heartbreaker in their biggest rivalry against Miami on Monday night, then had to turn around and play after only two days of practice.  Next week they have to travel several thousand miles to the mountains to play a top 8 team in BYU who knocked off Oklahoma just a week prior.  The team they played , Jacksonville State, was easy to overlook, handled by Georgia Tech just a week before, though the DI-AA squad had  more 5* players (due to transfers from Division 1 schools) than most SEC squads.  The mother nature dumped 3" of rain on the stadium and sucked the life out.  FSU was extra sloppy, negating much of their performance.   The Noles missed a field goal, two extra points, had a turnover on downs, fumbled twice in Jacksonville State territory (including one on the 2-yard line after a 30 yard run), had a muffed punt allowing Jacksonville State to resume their only scoring drive, and also had a roughing the punter penalty to extend a Jacksonville State drive.  After trailing for 58 minutes, the Noles pulled the game out.  

"I guess you could say that [FSU took Jax State lightly.] We had two days to prepare for this team, and I think we thought that they were just going to come in and lay down and that's where."  _FSU Outside Linebacker Nigel Bradham.

But not everyone was so lucky.  Fresh off arguably the biggest win in program history over Georgia, #5 Oklahoma State started sluggish as more than two touchdown favorites, at home, against the Houston cougars.  They made the cover of Sports Illustrated, but Oklahoma State fumbled on their first drive and missed a field goal on their second.  Houston was on their game, scoring 4 TD's and a field goal in their first half drives.  Down 24-7 at the half, Oklahoma State came all the way back to take the lead at 28-24, but they were gassed, and Houston stayed sharp, beating the Cowboys 45-35 in a game where Houston just had a lot more motivation.

If that wouldn't wake up those expected to win , nothing would.  Kansas State travels to UCLA next week for their big non-conference game, but first they had to play a game this weekend.  In Lafayette Louisiana, the Rajun Cajuns were ready for the Wildcats, jumping out to an early 14-2 lead as Kansas State lumbered through three quarters of football.  A frenzied comeback gave them the lead 15-14, but like Oklahoma State, they were spent and Lafayette hit the field goal for the 17-15 win.  Can Kansas State seriously say they were focused on this game with their contest in Los Angeles next weekend?  Meanwhile, this had to be Lafayette's game of the year, as not many Sun Belt conference teams get to play and beat a Big 12 game.  

Off their huge win against border-rival Illinois, Missouri hosted Bowling Green and seemed to be enjoying last week's blowout victory juuust a bit too much, ad Bowling Green led the #25 tigers 20-7 before Missouri had to fight  back for the 27-20 lead in the 4th quarter.  A failed 4th down play would seal the win, but what's the excuse for coming out so flat in the home opener?  it seems that maybe the Tigers were riding too high on themselves.  Yet another example of a team vastly underrating their opponent, while that same opponent considered the game their Super Bowl.  

Motivation matters.  Physically, teams are typically able to turn it on when the game demands, but that's not when it matters.  It is the lack of preparation during the week due to underestimating an opponent or being unable to give that effort during the week's practice after a huge game that leads to results like these.  The need for perfection means the need to get up and prepare for every game.  Forget college teams, most pro teams struggle to prepare week in and week out.  And it's what makes college football the game we love. 

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I was happy with most of the games.

I was disappointed in FSU, but at least they got a win. I was also disappointed with South Carolina. The one week of the year I pull for them they always let me down. I had to see “dawg” in a bunch of status codes on Facebook, yet I still have not found that word in Webster’s Dictionary. I thought the close outcome of the NC – Uconn game made it interesting, Sparty (Mich State) and Oklahoma State both being upset was cool, the OSU – USC game was close, albeit somewhat boring, and Michigan beat those Domers.

by nolestuff on Sep 13, 2009 12:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Oh, and I was happy with UCLA beating Tennessee, although that gives me little hope UT has a chance against the Gators, thus making their rose filled path to the title game that much easier.

by nolestuff on Sep 13, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice article.

But why I do not feel any better about tonight’s game…?

by FSUjab on Sep 13, 2009 1:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Because all bets are off when you play a 1-AA team.

Perception matters. We flirted with the single biggest loss in the history of our program. Was it AC who traced such an FSU loss back four decades?

by TRMNole on Sep 14, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I watched the first half of the Texas v. Wyoming game and— there’s something entirely irksome about witnessing a completely lethargic Texas squad going through the motions late in the second quarter, lazily allowing the lowly Cowboys to stay in the game, block the longhorn’s punt and recover the ball for a touchdown (to take a 10-6 lead) and then, almost as if an imaginary switch was flipped, wake up and play football. In 1:08, Texas drove the length of the field and in six plays and put the ball in the end zone to take the lead at the half. They never looked back.

These sorts of scenarios repeatedly play out in college football. The FSU game was no exception. Though it was a much more pressure packed situation, and one in which I hated to see us dig ourselves into, when we needed to finish a drive, by golly we did.

My question is, do you think these sorts of performances are coaching related? Are these guys really that unmotivated that it takes truly ‘do or die’ situations for them to turn on the burners?

I’m not a coach but what can you do to hammer home the message to your players before games like these? Personally, I would make them sit through the entire Michigan v. App St. or Stanford v. USC games from the 2007 season. I would make it an imperative to send a memo to my players that no team is immune to ‘upsets’ and ‘shockers’ and that parody is here to stay in college football (and then I’d have to sit down with my Webster’s Dictionary and explain to them what parody means).

I’m relieved FSU won today, but lord almighty I don’t think anyone would have believed me if I had told them back in 2000 that of the four teams from Alabama the Noles will face in the 21st century (UAB, Troy ST. Alabama, and Jacksonville St.), by far the hardest fought and most closely contested games will come against Troy and Jacksonville State! Let’s allow these ‘tune-up’ games to serve their purpose for once and win one halfway into the 2nd quarter through sheer pulverizing efficiency. That’s why they’re on our schedule right?

By the way Bud, next time you’re in Tallahassee, we will run darts at Ken’s as usual. I can’t wait.

by jds07d on Sep 13, 2009 1:34 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

My question is, do you think these sorts of performances are coaching related? Are these guys really that unmotivated that it takes truly ‘do or die’ situations for them to turn on the burners?

It’s just hard to go at that top effort level every week. You’re not putting in extra time to play Jax State (outside of the alotted time). I don’t really know, it’s not easy.

by Bud Elliott on Sep 13, 2009 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just got home from Athens

South Carolina/Georgia was one hell of a game tonight. Man, I’m still in awe of that experience.

by NoleThruandThru on Sep 13, 2009 3:05 AM EDT reply actions  

This is an excellent post

And is one of the most underrated things when you look at why teams win and lose games.

Red and Black Attack - Northern Illinois Pride

by Mike Breese on Sep 13, 2009 3:17 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm ill...

Looking ahead, short turn around, rain, etc…Those are all ok reasons for FSU to come out and look flat for a half quarter against this kind of team, not for 3.9 quarters. Ok, Ok, I’ll give you the first half to look bad. But not 3.9 quarters. I actually thought FSU would look bad for a while but then get it together and dominate (at least on offense). After half way through the 3rd quarter, I stopped wondering when it would be.

This was just an awful performance. I’m a big supporter of Jimbo…but if i saw one more stretch play from shotgun I was going to puke. Watching JSU hit guys 3 or 4 yards in the backfield. Just ridiculous. Way too much time running side to side and almost none running down the damn field. Awful. The running game was painful to watch tonight.

FSUun I would love it if you could break down our running success from the Miami game and this game in shotgun. The team seams to be having big time difficulty running from shotgun, esp off tackle or sweeps or whatever you want to call them.

I’m not sure if it is the new running plays that are being tried or if the team just has forgotten how to run block but something is wrong. Even in the Miami game. Just looks like they have forgotten how to play physical and run down hill. So frustrating.

I’m not going to say the defense was amazing this game. Not even really good. But the defense gave the offense their shots. Plenty of shots. What good is it driving to the opponent 40 every time just to punt or miss a field goal, or fumble, or get denied on 4th and 1. They simply could not finish and that is what was so terrible and frustrating.

There will be no excuses for this team when they get destroyed in Provo (except for crap coaching I guess…but nothing else. Not this time. I’m trying to be funny here. Not working).

Am I being too critical? Should I look forward to next Saturday? I found plenty to be happy about after the Canes game. This week, almost zero. I was on the fence about FSU making it to the ACC championship game this year but the Miami game actually gave us some (repeat some) hope. Right now however, it looks like they will struggle to get bowl eligible. Seriously.

The two touchdowns at the end didn’t make me as happy as watching Bradham rock Perrilloux. It was like he was taking out the frustration of every Seminole fan on that hit. Good for him. It was literally the only time I managed a smile after the first FSU TD.

Sorry. Last thought. Greg Reid seems to be a victim of his own success. Who knows when a team will kick to him again.

Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.

by onebarrelrum on Sep 13, 2009 4:29 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Reid is a freshman.

I pretty much expect the ups and downs.

And I’m glad one of the downs came vs Jax State.

by FSUSOM on Sep 13, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn't blaming anything on Reid

Just saying…it sucks that teams already are kicking away from him. JSU gave him one shot and then said, “Ok, we’re done with that.”

Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.

by onebarrelrum on Sep 13, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kick away from him.

I’ll take the ball at the 40 every time.

by TRMNole on Sep 14, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

5) They had more talent than anyone realized
Jacksonville State, was easy to overlook, handled by Georgia Tech just a week before, though the DI-AA squad had more 5* players (due to transfers from Division 1 schools) than most SEC squads.

Excuses? Yes. (Where was the o-line?) But, I do think we can play better than this and will show up at BYU. I think BYU may be feeling a bit cocky at this point.

Go Noles!

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by GonzoNole on Sep 13, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

As someone else said

No motivation, lack of practice, etc would’ve been a fine excuse for a poor first half. However, to need Jacksonville State’s own ineptness and a last minute touchdown is just inexcusable.

"It's always funny until someone gets hurt. Then it's just hilarious."-Bill Hicks

by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 13, 2009 7:56 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Some outside Tallahassee were watching

I was switching among several games on ESPN360. I thought the conference had redeemed itself in the early games Saturday, but those late games had me seriously worried. If FSU and Maryland hadn’t pulled those games out the whole conference would have looked as bad as last week.

On Thursday Georgia Tech didn’t have “looking ahead” as an excuse for their letdown. Technically, yes, the Miami game Thursday is in division and is more important, but Clemson is still a conference game. Luckily they got the W. The silver lining, I guess, is that if they had rolled over Clemson they probably would have gone down to Miami thinking the game was already won.

It goes without saying that I’m disappointed South Carolina couldn’t pulled it out. It was still fun reading the anxious comments on dawgsports.

by CraigT on Sep 13, 2009 8:26 AM EDT reply actions  

I seem to remember last January...

After the big bowl win and those of us who are not looking for an overhaul of everything FSU were happy going into the new year, being reminded just how BAD the defense was going to be in 2009. I read predictions of 3-9, 5-7, and the most generous said 7-5 would be our record. I got away from this board for 6 months, considered it recovery time, and as the season approached I was reading 9-3, 10-2, hell… maybe ONLY losing to them damn Gators. ? what changed ? I did not hear of any major coups or walk on prodigies. This team is YOUNG and learning. The Miami game was a few inches higher or maybe one last tick of the clock away from everybody being happy (well, most everybody). Last night was crazy. But as the article shows, ALMOST EVERYBODY has these trap games and that is part of the game. We Won! It was sloppy and I was thinking of burning memorabilia and such… but the morning light , just like it was Tuesday morning, showed me that life goes on and the big picture is not that bad. I wish I had the time to go to all the teams listed in the articles fan sites and see what they are saying. I know many will be upset, but I would say few feel entitled to wins as the FSU crowd seems to. It reminds of the Atlanta Braves fan base of the late 90’s and early this decade. So spoiled from success that even round 1 of the playoffs wouldn’t sell out. I bet they wish they had playoffs to stay away from now! ( I am a former braves season ticket holder, love them still) I guess Bobby Cox is the problem there too. Anyway… it is my opinion and it is just as valid as the next guy. I do not pour over stats and do spread sheets ( and I do admire those who can, it requires alot of devotion) but I have watched and paid attention to 30yrs of FSU football and do it from an educated but not fanatical fans point of view. Going back to my first point… What happened from January to August that made this defense and this staff’s expectations grow so high? And… I still would rather be FSU than OSU or MSU or many of the others who suffered yesterday.

by wolffbird7 on Sep 13, 2009 9:03 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Positive > Negative

I think it is just human spirit to hope for the best and keep the worst unspoken, for fear of getting sucked into the glass half empty.

by Renegade_NOL3 on Sep 13, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

FSuncensored hit the nail on the head in his pre game analysis

and predicted the that the Noles would come out listless. The things that drive me crazy about this team are the things they do that are absolutely mind-blowingly dumb: crowding a bouncing football on a punt (a pee wee player knows not to do this), roughing a kicker when the defense really needs to get off the field, db’s allowing receivers to just blow by them…etc.

Maybe it is just me but it seems FSU shoots themselves in the foot more times than any other team i watch play football.

This game reminded so much of the Troy State game….yet I thought we were well beyond those types of performances by the offense.

Maybe when Jimbo takes over and EVERYONE is held accountable we will see these little things diminish on both sides of the ball.

by Egret on Sep 13, 2009 9:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Ugly win. But yeah it’s hard to maintain a high emotional level. Hats off to the Jax St players for playing a whale of a game. That Gann? made several super plays. FSU plyers were down emotionally and executed poorly, under sloppy conditions they turned the ball over and commited penalties that extended their own misery.

Good luck to you trying to pull one out like that in the fourth next week in the high mountain air. Better bring your A game from the first kick.

"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein

by Olbrannon on Sep 13, 2009 9:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Think about what our schedule was prior to the Miami Labor Day game change

We would have played Maine on the previous Saturday, and JSU yesterday as tune-up games. But the ACC got the offer of a National broadcast Labor Day game, and we just couldn’t say no to it, especially in these financial times. Now we got out of the Maine game without having to pay them $300,000, luckily, but we didn’t make any other schedule changes. If this game had been known about well in advance (like 2-3 years when scheduling actually occurs), I would bet a lot that we would have made sure to have had a bye week yesterday instead of playing.

by ricobert1 on Sep 13, 2009 10:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Had we played Maine in the opening week

Jacksonville State would NOT have been on the schedule. They replaced Maine when we broke the contract with them at the behest of ESPN and the ACC to play Miami on Labour Day. Don’t know who we would’ve played in week 2, but it would’ve been an ACC game.

by RishiM on Sep 13, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it worth noting

that Jax State lost to Ga Tech 37-17 in much better conditions, with RP suspended. Holding JSU to 9 with the starting QB back … adding in the two day prep, etc. I don’t think this is as bad as it looked.

by Wild@Heart Nole on Sep 13, 2009 11:55 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Our OL is undersized...

They look good because they are in a zone blocking scheme that uses their speed. When it’s wet, they just don’t have the ability to blow the DL off the LOS. This is something that another year in our strength and conditioning program will fix. It’s a byproduct of playing these young guys. Just like our QBs, I like that we are developing OLmen, and they won’t have to have to fill out their frames while playing. When these guys get over 300lbs, weather will no longer be an issue. These guys have plenty of talent, and what Trickett has done with them when they shouldn’t even be on the field yet is simply incredible. They had to play, because our upperclassman OL were garbage. Just another byproduct of our recruiting. This is another reason why I think the 2010 version of the Nole offense will be historically good…

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by NaGaNole on Sep 13, 2009 12:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with what you said

but I think that any OL in the rain is not going to get traction to be overly successful in either zone blocking or man-up. But I would agree that zone blocking is especially fragile when traction is an issue.

by ricobert1 on Sep 13, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely agree on this

Waaay back in my high school football days, when we were preparing to play a powerhouse like Walpole or Natick, we’d work HARD all week in practice. Everyone paying attention to the coaches, taking every part of practice seriously. And we’d play well in the games.

Then we’d go play some lousy team and everyone would screw around in practice, just going through the motions, and low and behold we’d play like crap in the game.

by tdchrisdavis on Sep 13, 2009 1:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Where did you go to high school???

I’m assuming in Massachusetts…..i graduated from Franklin High School in ’01. Hockomock League baby!!

by Renegade11 on Sep 14, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Off topic...

The Jets named their wildcat formation “Seminole” since Leon is taking the snap.

Purty cool.

by tdchrisdavis on Sep 13, 2009 1:28 PM EDT reply actions  

I am tired of the excuses!

1. I don’t care if FSU has young players. Why? I see other programs putting in pure freshmen and winning (Example: Barkley for USC winning AT OSU) I have been hearing this excuse since 2004 and it no longer works on me.

2. Bad weather. Don’t care because Florida played in the same conditions yesterday and killed Troy by 50 pts.

3. Short week to prepare. Don’t care this is Jacksonville state for God sakes. On paper alone we should defeat them due to having “better athletes”

4. Lack of motivation: Give me a break. Nothing would please me more as a player than after losing to a rival in the final seconds of a game then to beat up on some smaller team a few days later to get the loss out of my system.

Lets see if there is anymore excuses being thrown around that I’ve heard since last night. Lets see what excuse we come up with why we lose to BYU. Oh we weren’t used to the elevation and because our ears kept popping we couldn’t cover, run, block pass or anything.

No more excuses. Either play 100% of get off the field.

by sll1728 on Sep 13, 2009 1:35 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Did you read the article?

Just about everyone played poor this week as they got ready for a big game next week.

This wasn’t just FSU.

by tdchrisdavis on Sep 13, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're living in a dream world if you expect 100% from any team under certain circumstances.

And it’s not the PLAY 100%, it is the prepare 100% Our guys were trying hard out there, they just didn’t during the week.

Florida is probably 40 points better than us on a neutral field, stop comparing us to Florida until we have a full coaching staff. Even then we will never be UF because they have 2-3X more money than we do.

by Bud Elliott on Sep 13, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree

Our peak is just as high, if not higher than their peak.

by tdchrisdavis on Sep 13, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I guess it's not higher

But UF will never match our play in the 90s.

by tdchrisdavis on Sep 13, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aside from conference

which we will never be on the same level, is it possible to ever match the $ and other resources. I am tired of FSU being a secondary university in the state, in all facets, not just athletics.

by Miaminole on Sep 14, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I mentioned this to a friend of mine

I didnt cite you haha, sorry.

Anyway, he asked the question, and I didnt have an answer, so here I am.

1. 60%?!?! What percentage are we at then?
2.Is it public funding? Or is it that they just have more boosters with much bigger checkbooks?
3. Sadly, I am curious as to why you dont think we could ever catch up?

by Miaminole on Sep 14, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boosters, gate, merchandise, TV, etc

I bet we’re at about half, maybe less.

Their athletic department donated 100 million back to the university!

They graduate a lot more people than we do, and into higher paying fields. Their alumni base is much better, they are the state’s flagship university, and they have had a football program for twice as long as FSU.

by Bud Elliott on Sep 14, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Barkley was the #1 QB in the country coming out of highschool. It is easy to be young when it is elite talent

As you can see, Greg Reid and J-Mac are young but making plays too.

Not to mention Barkley’s got 5-star players coming out of his ass so all he has to do is not lose the game.

by pbysh on Sep 13, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I gotta agree with sll1728.

I know this is a thread for discussing his #4, but I’ve seen way more excuses for this game since Saturday night than I ever expected to see on TN.

by TRMNole on Sep 14, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excuse me look up the definition of rival

I will compare FSU to Florida because they are our rival and if you knew what the definition of the word rival meant you would know that is means “equals”

The Miami vs FSU game showed that both teams were equal on the field and that it came down to the final seconds to see who the winner was. Sure not all rivalry games end that way, but if we do not compare FSU to Florida then we will never beat them again.

Our recruiting classes and there classes have been very good for the last few years. We recruit the same players year in and year out.

You have to compare FSU and Florida. Since when does money determine a first down, a TD, fumbling a ball etc…….other than point shaving? Is UF rich and have a lot of money in it’s pocket? Yes but that isn’t why Florida shows up each week and beats a team they are suposed to beat. Sure their first two games were against High school teams but they won them convincingly and yet we have to pull out a win in the last minute last night?

No more excuses. Last night reminded of the game against Troy in 07 and the Wake game last year. Things are not changing and we are still a very UNDISCIPLINED team week in and week out.

by sll1728 on Sep 13, 2009 2:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Gee, why do you think things aren't changing as quickly as we'd like?

Oh yeahhhhhh…WE STILL HAVE THE SAME HEAD COACH. No program can undergo a complete turnaround with the kind of coaches we have holding us back. And no, money does not determine whether or not Florida gets a first down, but it sure as hell determines if they can hire coaches that teach them how to. Monetary endowment is a big deal. We will never have the kind of money UF does. We are lucky that we are located in a fertile recruiting ground, so we can and hopefully will compete on a national scene. Miami is much closer to us in terms of equality, as they actually have less money to spend on coaches and facilities than we do. Of course we are undisciplined, do you see who we have at head coach and D-coordinator?

Swagger, Intensity, Execution

by DKfromVA on Sep 13, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Money drives support systems, training, rehab, etc. We can barely afford supplements, UF has personalized supplements for each player.

UF’s recruiting classes have been a lot better than ours for the past four years if you actually break them down.

Rivals does not mean equals in this context. You know that, I think.

by Bud Elliott on Sep 13, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice article Bud

Just an idea. I’d like to see a follow-up piece next week looking at how the underperforming teams do against the teams that they were looking ahead to. Maybe, to a certain extent, it is worth looking ahead a little bit. If we come out next week and our first two drives methodically dismantle the BYU defense for TDs, then we will all forget about JSU pretty quickly. If we struggle to move the ball in the first half, we will all be having horrible visions of what happened this week. Maybe a team that struggles against a lesser opponent the week before will prepare for the next game better than a team that waltzes through a blowout. I think it would make more sense to look at all the teams you mentioned above, rather than just FSU.

OH YEAAHH!

by TBfisherman on Sep 13, 2009 4:22 PM EDT reply actions  

BYU at #7 in the AP poll.

If we can put it all together and win, this past game wouldn’t hurt so much…

I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.

Elayne Boosler

by NaGaNole on Sep 13, 2009 4:56 PM EDT reply actions  

are the canes playing OU this weekend too?

These games could make a huge statement for the ACC. Not looking great in the national media these days.

by NorthernHaze on Sep 13, 2009 7:32 PM EDT reply actions  

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