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Florida State Run Game Notes after Jax State

I don't think you can take much away from a performance like the one the 'Noles had Saturday evening, for all the reasons we've detailed all week (scroll down to see our discussion of no motivation, rest, preparation, etc).  But a lot of people asked about the running game, so I watched all of FSU's run plays.  

There will be no clips or photos this week.  You can watch the video right here.  The running plays are all in order, so it's easier for you to follow along.  This way also shows progression (as opposed to grouping them by play type.)  I have some conclusions at the end.

1-10 Outside Zone Right , Loss of 2. The Play is Outside Zone, but Caz Piurowski apparently forgot as to which side FSU was running, and blocked the wrong guy. His assigned guy made the tackle.

1-10 Inside Zone Right, Two Tight Ends Even, Twins WR right. Tye Jones runs this for 18. He should have had only 4 but broke a really poor tackle. Ponder should have checked to a pass here against the 8.5 man front. Beau Reliford is a walking holding penalty. No effort into blocking.

1-10 Outside Zone to Chris Thompson from Gun w/ 2 backs. Spurlock slips and is too aggressive, missing his block. Hudson slips and misses his block (he looks to be more hurt with the foot injury than we first thought). Thompson doesn't make his cut but still gets two yards. Lack of attention to detail.

2-8 Bert Reed End Around No Gain. Tight formation, run Reed to the wide side off inside zone action, played really well by their OLB, Bert can't cut back.

1-G (from 7). Inside zone left from 2TE (Even) set w/ Twin WR. TD Thomas Jones 7 yards. Jones hits the tight cutback and it's the correct read. Spurlock and McMahon with great blocks, J-State badly over-pursued. Jones with good toughness.)

Star-divide

1-10 Outside? Zone. Tye Jones loses 2 yards. Indecisive, not much hole, but Jones has to just hit it up in the hole here. Loss of 2 yards. Spurlock is iffy here, but Sanders doesn't block anyone. No fire from the Oline.

1-16 Inside Zone Right Tye Jones for 9 Jones decisively makes his read and cuts backside left. Reliford doesn't block worth a damn. Datko-Hudson are late to come off their combo. Play was run from the Even 2TE, Twins WR set.

2-7 offset I strong, Twins Weak, Givens (slot) end around for 15. As much as we bag on Jbarris Little, he had a good blocking effort here, as did Caz Piurowski

1-10, 2TE (even), Twin WR, Inside Zone right, Chris Thompson loss of 3 Again, FSU wants to get away from running I-formation. They really want to run their stuff from a 2TE set. But Reliford just gives no effort on this block and his man eliminates Thompson's ability for the cutback. In fact, it's tough to judge Thompson here because Reliford's man was on top of him so quickly.

3-24, frustrated after giving up a huge sack and a throwaway ruled a lateral out of bounds, FSU's offense decided to run out the of the I-formation on 3rd and 24. That play is lead draw (think 90's Cowboys), and Thompson gets 10, but could have had 50 if he cuts left a few yards past the LOS.

1-10, Twins I-Formation, Bert Reed quick motion end around (straight motion, not orbit), for about 4.

1-10 Tye Jones Inside Zone Read for 3 Jones dis nowhere near the gun runner Jermaine Thomas is, but he does get 3. if he waited for Rodney Hudson to make his block, he might have had 10.

2-2 Twin TE I Formation, Toss right to Thompson, Gard (fulback) and Spurlock both miss their blocks, tackle for loss of 2 yards. Spurlock must play smarter, but the aggressiveness is there.

4-1 Twin TE I-Fomration, Outside Zone left, no gain. I like the call, but Rodney Hudson actually missed a block here, seriously.

1-10 4WR Gun, End Around to Bert Reed for 3 yard loss. Bert is the outside man in the formation, to the short side. Zebrie Sanders' man reads this really well and beats Zebrie to the edge, but Tye Jones also needs to get a chip there. Don't let pass up an obvious defender. While Bert doesn't always run these well, this was on Sanders/Jones and not on Reed.

2-10 Lead/Sprint Draw from I-formation Twins WR, Jones for 3 Tye doesn't run this very well and doesn't seem comfortable doing it.

1-10, Twin TE, I-Formation Thomas inside zone right, cuts back left, 5 yard gain. Strange play, not really sure what FSU was trying to run, but Thomas hit the cutback hole well.

2-5 Twins WR I, Thomas outside zone to tight end side (short side of field), 3 yards. J-State just played this really well. FSU needed to check to a pass here, with 8 maybe 9 in the box.

2-2, Chris Thompson outside zone for 1, fumble. This is the play everyone is complaining about, but Jimbo said Ty Jones was banged up, and Thomas had just had back to back carries, so he put Thompson in. Spurlock didn't make a good block here, falling down, but Thompson probably could have hit the huge cutback lane and had 5-6 yards.

 

Conclusions.  

Reliford and Jabarris Little must block better.  It is really obvious that FSU wants to run from multiple tight end formations without a fullback.  Fisher doesn't want to use marginal walk-on fullback Daniel Gard.  But right now, Gard is a better option than Reliford or Little because those two do not care about blocking.  Reliford shows almost no effort and looked really bad Saturday.  It was probably one of the worst blocking efforts I've ever seen from a player over the course of an entire game.  Little has an aversion to contact.  The technique stuff won't improve overnight, but hopefully the effort will.  In the meantime, expect more 3-wide sets.

Further, this game showed that FSU's offensive line is not immune from a week of poor preparation.  If you're willing to throw the rest of the performance into the "hangover effect off huge loss, rain, only 2 days of (poor) practice, and lookahead to BYU" category, then the OLine must be there as well.  They are also football players.  

Where is the gun run?  Last year, FSU was an excellent gun-run team, because teams had to respect the thread of the QB run.  This year, I haven't seen it as much.  It needs to come back.  It's the difference between a good and great offense.  Maybe this has more to do with Jermaine Thomas' injury.  I don't want to believe that Fisher wants to get away from this, as has been suggested by a few readers.  QB mobility is king in college, and FSU is putting themselves at a numerical disadvantage by not running from the gun.  Expect more of that soon as long as Thomas is healthy.

Tye Jones is a good back, and runs the inside zone very well.  He doesn't look great from the gun though and I don't love him on the draw plays.

And finally, speaking of health, I think Rodney Hudson's foot injury is worse than initially thought.  He isn't dominating, just merely playing well.   

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Ponder running the ball

Is it possible we are saving this for a game down the road where we think it will be more effective, much like we did with Miami last year?

I don’t know all that much about the defenses will face or who it would work best against, but I have to think we will use Ponder’s feet at some point since it was so effective last season.

by 38Noles on Sep 14, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Ponder's been coached to avoid running so much

I can’t be sure what they’re telling him, but he is obviously much more of a pocket passer this season. I think Jimbo may be telling him to keep going through his progressions, find the open guy, and keep himself healthy for the season. You could really see it in the Miami game when he basically ignored the pressure on his fumble play and kept looking downfield (which of course resluted in the fumble). Last year, I think he may have just taken off on that play. The only times he seems to run are on the few designed QB runs that have been called.

by FSU PHD on Sep 15, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great Write Up

Thanks for taking the time to do that. It is nice to have some idea why much of the run game looked kind of silly. I really hope Hudson just had a really off day and isn’t banged up too bad. With all the mistakes on offense (fumbles, wr blocking, etc) it makes sense to hear that the oline missed plenty of assignments too. I look for them to be the most improved from this past week to the BYU game. It all starts with them. They have to get it together and play smart as well as mean. We know that they can. Hopefully some practice, preparation, and better conditions will have them playing like they have been coached to.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 14, 2009 1:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Hmmm....

Reading this, it sounded as if Spurlock was as bad as Reliford. Could it be or do you think Spurlock just had a bad game?

by KnoxNole on Sep 14, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Great post

Thanks for the info, you really don’t get anything like this on the pay sites. I really think if we can’t run the ball and keep BYU’s offense off the field, then we better hope BYU turns the ball over ALOT

by kmpnole12 on Sep 14, 2009 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

we also gotta remember

that rain killed our speed in this game, i re-watched the game twice and ty had some good runs, but thats because hes a one cut then up the field type back, but our speed (mainly bert and chris thompson) looked bogged down, one play on a reverse bert got tackled by a d-linemen…on a dry field he would of easily shook around him.
i hope on a dry field in provo we can use a little bit more thompson (im not too worried about the fumble) and really hope for a break out game from jermaine.
i also expect christain to add some nice yardage, maybe in the 60-70 yard range in this one.

"theres two types of people in this world, those who CARRY a spear and those who FEAR the spear"-James Coley

by jfree on Sep 14, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

*also to clarify

im not predicting this to be our break-out game (but when our o-line “clicks” any game could be the “break-out” game) but with our speed i think we could do alright.
my reason behind why i dont think it will be our break-out performance is after seeing jsu’s 3-4 defense, going against byu’s wont be much fun, having that 4th linebacker to me is just as good as 8 in the box, it really nullifies a teams speed to get to the edge, but like i said, hopefully on a dry field and having better athletes i hope our run game can take a step foward, how much? we’ll just have to wait and see…

"theres two types of people in this world, those who CARRY a spear and those who FEAR the spear"-James Coley

by jfree on Sep 14, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love this site. I provides such excellent analysis and gives me hope still!

by xaryss on Sep 14, 2009 2:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Hudson being hurt is of grave concern IMO.

Ameica, Land of the free and home to the entitled.

by levynole on Sep 14, 2009 2:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Thomas and Hudson

Anyone know what kind of injury or the severity to Thomas and Hudson?

by MumbaiNole on Sep 14, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1 On the gun run

I’d been calling/looking for that since the second quarter of the Miami game. We’ll need to use it this Saturday to be successful against BYU.

Swagger, Intensity, Execution

by DKfromVA on Sep 14, 2009 2:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Frankly

That just pisses me off seeing reliford not give a damn on blocking. We basically have no one else to fill in for him either. So using 2 TE formations will be useless on run plays. V

Nice to see since someone is too damn lazy to put some effort in. I guess playing division 1 football at a school with great tradition is unimportant. I wasn’t aware

by Cee on Sep 14, 2009 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

I am surprised Coley and/or Trickett haven't run Reliford off

if he really gives no effort, ESPECIAL at blocking which I would think Trickett would classifiy as “Derilction of Duty”. Dont think he would ever see the field again if it is that bad.

by Egret on Sep 14, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

These writings are awesome!

Good stuff, I enjoy hearing your thoughts on the plays and analysis.

" And He drank the world's sin so He could carry you in, and give you life"

by FSUvaFan on Sep 14, 2009 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Simms and Hollaway

See, I told you we might miss our fullbacks more than anyone cared to admit. I watched film from last year and they made some key blocks on some big running plays. We are having the growing pains of our young tight ends learn to block well. I am confident they will, but the sooner the better.

by nolestuff on Sep 14, 2009 10:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks FSUn

I wish I had more to write about Thomas this week. I’m wondering a few things:
(1) Was JT’s injury more serious than the coaches let on? Or did Ty just earn more carries?
(2) Is the H-back strategy working out for us? nolestuff may be right that losing our FBs was a step back in blocking and thus a step back for the run game.

by missourinole on Sep 14, 2009 10:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I think you'll see more spread sets honestly.

The H-Back thing should work if Reliford tries harder. Until then, we are missing the fullbacks if we want to go I-Formation.

by Bud Elliott on Sep 15, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

JT

I think it was more serious later in the week when he got dinged in practice.

by Bud Elliott on Sep 15, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

TOS says JT is “100%”. I haven’t seen anything anywhere about Hudson and since we’re due for something positive I’ll take it he’s ok. Fingers crossed

Ameica, Land of the free and home to the entitled.

by levynole on Sep 15, 2009 10:39 PM EDT reply actions  

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