Florida State Crushes BYU 54-28 as the Seminoles Rush for 316 yards
by Bud Elliott on Sep 19, 2009 10:09 PM EDT
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Florida State's first play was almost intercepted and brought back for an interception. The next 76 snaps would go almost perfectly for the Florida State Seminoles as FSU housed the #7 ranked BYU cougars 54-28 Florida State marched down the field on an 11 play, 80 yard touchdown drive. The defense played tight coverage as BYU's slow but very precise receivers made circus catch after circus catch, but fumbled on the Nole's 14. The 'Noles then marched 86 yards on 17 plays for another touchdown and a two-touchdown lead. BYU's offense moved the ball well, but FSU's defensive backs harassed the Cougar's pass catchers all game. BYU and FSU then traded two 80+ yard touchdown drives and the Noles led 27-14. A fumble on a kickoff right before half and a 1st down later, and the Noles knocked a field goal home to lead 30-14 at half.
The domination was resounding. Florida State had thirty (30) first downs. Thirty. FSU would not punt until the end of the 3rd quarter, with the game already well in hand. The Noles marched for touchdown drives of 60, 70, 80, 82, and 86 yards. Through the first three quarters, FSU held the ball for an amazing 28 minutes, compared to just 17 for BYU. Florida State put 278 rushing yards on the Cougar defense that had held Oklahoma to only 265 total yards. Christian Ponder was nearly perfect, posting a QB rating of 170 on 21-26 passing for 196 yards and 2 TD's. He was not sacked. Florida State was a perfect 10-10 on 3rd downs to start the game.
While Ponder was great, Florida State offensive was even greater. Ponder was not sacked. BYU did not record a tackle for loss on a run play while FSU's starters were in the game. BYU's defensive front 7 was the smallest the Noles will see all year, at a combined 1728lbs, and FSU's offensive front blew them away. It was a great performance for FSU's wrecking crew, last year the youngest offensive line in the country. FSU's starters faced only three third downs of more than 8 yards, because Florida State could get three yards any time they wanted. The pass protection was excellent. Ponder had forever to pick apart the Cougar's zone defense, and when BYU blitzed, Ponder burned the resulting 1-on-1 coverage with big plays. While Oklahoma largely beat themselves against BYU with 10 boneheaded offensive penalties from their inexperienced offensive line, Florida State's cohesive group did no such thing. Florida State did not commit an offensive penalty in the first half. They simply dominated an undersized Cougar front.
The Noles knew that the Cougars defense played excellent in 3rd and long situations with their soft zone coverage, so they simply avoided them. BYU started out playing soft zone coverage, but the Noles planned for this and quickly made BYU play them honestly with a dominating running game and also by immediately flicking the ball out to their speedy receivers if BYU's defensive backs were too far off the ball. The cougar defensive backs clearly couldn't cover the Florida State receivers one-on-one, but Florida State's rushing attack left them no choice. BYU simply had to involve their safeties to stop the run. When BYU bunched up defenders inside, FSU ran outside. When FSU spread out the Cougar defense, they ran inside. On six separate occasions, a Florida State running back ran for 10 yards before he even encountered a potential BYU tackler. While many will assume FSU's speed won this game, that was simply not the case. Florida State physically dominated BYU and appeared to be more composed as well, even though the 7th ranked Cougars were playing in front of their home crowd.
The much maligned Florida State defense played well, considering BYU's excellent passing attack. Playing aggressive man coverage, BYU's receivers were simply too slow to break away fron Florida State's defensive backs. FSU forced BYU QB Max Hall to make the difficult throws, and while the Cougar wideouts made contested circus catch after circus catch, it seemed unlikely that they could continue to do that for the entire game. Florida State was in the hip pocket of every potential pass catcher, daring BYU to go deep, but the Cougars could not. And that tight coverage eventually paid off, as Florida State freshman nickelback Greg Reidundercut All-American tight end Dennis Pitta, intercepting a crossing route from Hall and returning it for an interception to give FSU a 37-14 lead in BYU's opening drive of the 2nd half. After that the Cougars seemed to quit as FSU imposed their will. Florida State's defensive plan was masterful, as they took away BYU's main weapon (short and intermediate passes in the middle of the field), and forced Hall to complete difficult throws. To BYU's credit, their passing offense is prolific, going 19-30 for 306 yards and 2 TD's, but the three interceptions were a killer. FSU's defense also tackled extremely well and allowed very few yards after the catch.
It was a great win for a Florida State program that had been ripped in the press for two weeks after losing a very tight game to the Miami Hurricanes and then sleepwalking through a close win against Jacksonville State. The Noles were physically dominant and won the game on more than just speed, though Ponder did appear to be faster than even the fastest of BYU's defensive backs.The nation now knows that the ACC's top teams are to be reckoned with, and that the close loss to Miami isn't anything to be ashamed of. It was a bad day for the Mountain West Conference, as both the Cougars and the Utes of Utah (who lost to Oregon) saw their hopes for a BCS bowl go up in smoke. Mountain West teams must be undefeated to reach the BCS because their schedules are so weak. While this was a huge game for BYU, it was just another game for Florida State because the Seminoles play the toughest schedule in the nation.
Even though Florida State pulled their starters midway through the 4th quarter, BYU displayed a lack of class at the end of the game, leveling several cheap shots at Florida State's backups and goading the Noles into a personal foul.
Florida State is a dropped 4-yard pass against an excellent Miami team away from being a top ten team. It's really perplexing how the pollsters drop a team so much for losing a game that was evenly played. Pollsters need to look at the play and not just the score. The Seminoles have a 4-point loss to a top 15 team and just obliterated the #7 team in the country.
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Keep working noles!
This is fitting for all the haters and folks who gave up after only 2 games in the season.
by DesiNole on Sep 19, 2009 10:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Now lets hope the defense can improve this week in practice
South Florida may not be as hyped as BYU right now, but they return a good offense from last year if I am not mistaken. They also have a big time defensive end.
I'm not so sure yet
I don’t know if playing 3 cupcakes has been to their benefit or detriment. It’ll also be interesting to see if Grothe plays and isn’t 100% on that knee, how much their gameplan will be altered.
I think that USF will be really amped up for this game
Defensive is better (I think, haven’t checked yet).
I hope Grothe plays, but unfortunately it looks like B.J. Daniels - who is probably better
Grothe is a disaster and throws a lot of picks – especially against good teams in big games. B.J. Daniels is another running QB, looking to take Grothe’s job, and is a Tallahassee product. Not a good combination.
Oh, and the Versus sideline reporter..
owns Erin Andrews!
That gasme was awesome and horrific....
Watching our offense was incredible, they almost bought a tear to my eye. The defense did make me cry…
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The so called versus post game expert is a jackass. We whooped their ass and all he said was " fsu was nothing special, byu played bad!"
by DesiNole on Sep 19, 2009 10:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I agree with his statement.
I think we would have lost the game if it weren’t for the turnovers.
" And He drank the world's sin so He could carry you in, and give you life"
With all due respect, were you watching the same game as I was.
Let’s say they don’t have any ints. and score 3 more TD’s, we still win 54-49.
I think you are way wrong on this one.
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Remember one of our TD's was defensive
I agree with you . . . just sayin lol
Got to hand it to the defense - they've scored a touchdown in the last 4 games
They can’t stop anyone, but they sure can score.
Exactly, take away the interceptiong WITH pass int. and we lose.
" And He drank the world's sin so He could carry you in, and give you life"
Listen Debbie (kidding) let me enjoy this for at least a couple of days.
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I hear ya. Im reviewing the game on DVR right now.
A little credit to the defense since BYU did make some acrobatic catches.
" And He drank the world's sin so He could carry you in, and give you life"
Fortson has a terrible case of the drops.
17 seconds left before half, drops the pass on the 4 yard line… Sure there was pass interferance, but it just bounced off of his hands.
" And He drank the world's sin so He could carry you in, and give you life"
Whats your take on Jacobbi? I see good things.
Only once thus far did I see him get pancaked.
" And He drank the world's sin so He could carry you in, and give you life"
Watching the replay with some Sam Adams Octoberfest is my recommendation.
" And He drank the world's sin so He could carry you in, and give you life"
see reply below.
And I don’t deserve much respect :)
" And He drank the world's sin so He could carry you in, and give you life"
Versus
Their color guy and two thirds of their post game studio team were str8 azzzz. Called us Florida twice, said we beat Miami, and the color guy was a straight BYU Homer. If they want to compete with ESPN they have to be less blatant with their rooting. I expect that on Sunshine or Jefferson Pilot. Not a national network.
They hide them better though
Tebow slurping is hid because all the press slurps him. The others are dominant programs so ESPN just rides on the national bandwagon. There is no reason to Slurp BYU or the MWC unless you are an alumni so it looks horrible when anyone in the press does it.
by osceolafan850 on Sep 19, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Calling VS a national network is like saying McDonald's is fine dining
"It's always funny until someone gets hurt. Then it's just hilarious."-Bill Hicks
by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 19, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't knock McDonalds!
The sausage biscut is proof of a just and loving god!
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Sep 19, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I just
went on their website and watched the recap of the game so I could see some highlights and those guys were worthless. Those guys were clearly MWC or BYU homers. At least I didn’t have to listen to the Tebow knobjobbing ESPN guys for a little while and see a 20 minute video of Tebow giving some lame ass speech and some Varisty Blues pep talk every commercial break.
"No, like I said, Woo peed on my rug" - The Dude
I was on Dr. Saturday's liveblog all day
or else I would have been here…but I’m shellshocked. I can’t fathom what just happened…
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Sep 19, 2009 10:23 PM EDT reply actions
That's a good one
Or like Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit each winning straps at WM 20.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Sep 19, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't really think Evad ever beat Razor Ramon. I don't know all the big matches.
I used to watch wrestling when it was off-limits in my house. Then I was old enough to watch it and I didn’t care for it as much. I do remember when Eddie and Chris showed up on the scene. Dean Malenko followed shortly thereafter.
On a related note, UFC has a PPV tonight, no? Maybe I will head down on 6th St and try to catch it as the UTex vs TTU game ends and people stagger down there…
I think there's a UFC event tonight
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by Curtain Jerker on Sep 19, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Btw... had a lot of respect for Benoit before the incident...
But Smack Down lost me forever when Bradshaw and Guererro were what they gave me for the title competition.
Watch Smackdown now
It’s frigging awesome, ten times better than Raw
Remember when Bradshaw and Ron Simmons were the APA Acolytes Protection Agency
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And they had the door that stood alone...
….I miss the late 90s.
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by Curtain Jerker on Sep 19, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Benoit=One of the best technical wrestlers, next to Kurt Angle
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Yep
If you ever have a chance watch any young Benoit (when he was in Japan as the Pegasus Kid). If I can I’ll find you some links.
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by Curtain Jerker on Sep 19, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, it really has sucked ever since they bought out WCW and haven't had to deal with any competition
"It's always funny until someone gets hurt. Then it's just hilarious."-Bill Hicks
by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 19, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Hasn't helped that they're still promopting alot of the same guys 10 years later. No new blood really
"It's always funny until someone gets hurt. Then it's just hilarious."-Bill Hicks
by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 19, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
He speaks the truth
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Sep 19, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
You cant bash JBL for one reason.
He alone is the the reason WWE goes to Iraq each year. That was his baby. He might be a Heel but he is a great man.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
He really is a good person
Desman’s righ – he gives tons of time and money to the troops overseas.
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by Curtain Jerker on Sep 20, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Congrats from BYU fan.
Congratulations on a beautifully (almost perfectly) played game. You crushed us and did exactly how you guys on this website said you would. Impressive. Hope you win out, hope we can pick up the pieces.
At least the pressure of being the BCS buster is off of you guys now.
by Darkhorse99 on Sep 19, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
front-7 just too small
1728lbs against FSU’s offensive line won’t cut it.
by Bud Elliott on Sep 19, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
We looked much stronger than BYU all over the field
not just faster. BYU guys couldn’t get off any blocks.
but surel;y we “hosed” instead of “housed” them? ;)
"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein
I also wondered if we has set up some sort of communal living camps for them and their wives.
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OUR OFFENSE IS AMAZING
Anybody wanna blame Jimbo for anything now?!?!
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: CP7 FOR HIESMAN
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agree
I just got back from the game, made the 2 hour drive south. I can tell you that the BYU’s defense was on their heels all night, from the first drive. Jimbo called a great game and the offense executed it to perfection. And BTW, I sat with the rest of the Seminole fans and they were loud and represented well, I am guessing 6 thousand strong.
Hearing the warchant on TV drowning out the Cougar fans was pretty special, nice job repping.
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Gotta say:
Jimbo had a great night, but Bobby was no slouch either. The drives I caught him doing the play-calling on looked even better.
Even my father, also an alum but not really a follower (more an NFL guy), had to admit he was full of it on the game passing ol’ Bobby by.
If we could just get some consistent pass-rush, we’d be almost unstoppable. Even the secondary looked pretty good last night. A lot of those BYU catches weren’t a problem of coverage, rather just BYU receivers making great plays.
Slowly but surely, our guys seem to be getting it together.
by Drew J Jones on Sep 20, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
He doesn't do any play-calling
he just likes to get on the headset and ask questions.
The game has as
by Bud Elliott on Sep 20, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I couldn't help but think
FSU has a 2.5 million dollar spectator/cheerleader. When I saw him on the headset…kind of made me think of this phone scene.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg5ej7Eui30
Bobby might be on the headset but I’m just not sure who is on the other side.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
by onebarrelrum on Sep 20, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
My opinion of our team...
… actually didn’t change much. I think we have an excellent offense that is difficult to stop.
I think we have a terrible defense which has difficulty stopping anybody.
We made some turnovers on D, which is great, but this defense still has HUGE issues.
Great win, but I hope nobody thinks this win means “we’re back” or “we’ve arrived” or any mess like that.
We’re still a 7-5/8-4 type team.
(Although it might be worth a win or two if Hopkins can de-Allenize our special teams by always kicking it out of the endzone. Anyone to hypnotize him and make him think he’s at 4,500 feet every game?!?!?)
by Fsued on Sep 19, 2009 10:28 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i feel the same way
a good defense would have shut them out or gave up less than 10. Giving up 80 yard touchdowns was pretty telling. Beautiful route by their tight end on that play btw. taking advantage of the defense being over aggressive.
Greg Reid is a football player
Not many defenses will shut out BYU, not going to happen.
Give their O some credit.
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
9 out of 10 times were not going to give up only 28 to them
in this game, a good defense would have let up less points. But the D capitalized on the mistakes i give them credit.
I don't recall seeing him boot a short one all year. Besides an intentional squib.
by Darkhorse99 on Sep 19, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
He booted well over half of them OUT of the endzone. Haven't seen that since Janikowski.
And there were a lot of kickoffs. Haven’t seen that many kickoffs since… I don’t know exactly.
Yeah.
Think the elevation had a lot to do with that. He’s got a solid leg, though, but not the sort that’ll constantly put the ball out of play.
by Drew J Jones on Sep 20, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
7 or 10 wins
Our defense this year will be completely about big plays. We get some nice turnovers from the D and the O puts up points we win. If the D doesn’t force turnovers we either win a shootout or get beat. I can’t call it one way or the other.
by osceolafan850 on Sep 19, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we do have to rely on the turnover for a lot of stops this year.
We have to take risks with monster blitzes and have our safeties cheat. If we don’t then “pick-your-opponent” will score over and over.
Groethe?
That changes everything
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by Curtain Jerker on Sep 19, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Do we know what the injury is?
I mean, it’s one thing if it is a sprained ankle, quite another if its a blown knee
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by Curtain Jerker on Sep 19, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
No shot that he doesn't play?
Or no shot that he doesn’t play well?
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by Curtain Jerker on Sep 20, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you joking?
Grothe has had a great career, and BJ just played for the first time and your already crowning him, if you want to crown him, crown his..;)
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
No I'm not joking, Grothe is a good runner but not a good thrower
and makes bad decisions.
TN just posted he has an ACL tear
on my facebook feed. Huge loss for USF
Bad news, Daniels has a weaker arm.
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
I was directing that to FSUjab who seems to be convinced Daniels is a better QB then Grothe
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
All the scouting reports say Daniels has a strong arm.
& Grothe does not, so I don’t know where you’re getting your information from.
I’m convinced that Daniels is a more TALENTED QB than Grothe, not necessarily a better overall QB at this point in his career. Certainly, Grothe is a guy with a ton of experience.
We will force him to make intermediate throws with touch.
He’s short with a cannon but is quite raw.
I disagree
And don’t see, after 3weeks, any acc teams on our schedule that can match us score for score, we have turned into a big 12 team., you have to outscore us, And after watching Miami/GT thurs,I’m only worried about NCST and the gaytors being able to do that, provided that we show up every week and don’t pull a JSU. And within a week or 2 the freshman db’s will be starting. When they are in all the plays are being made.
by realnole1128 on Sep 19, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not the opposing defenses I worry about, it's the rain...
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Elayne Boosler
Great swipe by Thacker.
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
I was relieved he was back, but I didn 't know why
until that play
by pillsburysoldier on Sep 20, 2009 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I heard his name called a couple times.
I’m hoping he’s turned a corner.
Now if somehow the Bears could win tomorrow my weekend would be perfect...
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by Curtain Jerker on Sep 19, 2009 10:35 PM EDT reply actions
Some thoughts about our game
-Fortson seemed to show up and he was tough. It’s about time he started using his immense physical talents to work. Hope he can keep it up as he is the most talented WR.
-Ty Jones is good. Like the way he ran. Patient.
-Lonnie Pryor might prove some people wrong. I really hope he buys into the system, as he is really smooth and tough to tackle. Good burst.
-That was blatant PI, but Greg Reid. Greg Reid. Greg Reid. Big time players make big time plays.
-Ponder is our best player. No question.
-Glad I got to see EJ. Live arm, and he can run.
-I wanted us to score 60.
-The Shire’s PAT problem is concerning. No idea how a kid can make a 49 yard FG and miss EPs. Must be a focus issue.
-The defense needs to play with more poise, intensity, and agression. Just kidding.
-Greg Reid.
-Just all around dominating performance from the offense.
It could of been offensive PI, he pushed off, then Greg grabbed
They nullified each other and nothing was called.
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
by badknees81 on Sep 19, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
TE pushed Reid too
but Reid made the sneakier PI & it paid off.
While you boys have been worrying
I was defending the faith on this mixed board explaining to them what was about to happen before the game. You can see the flack I took.
http://www.southernpigskin.com/index.php/forums/viewthread/2979/
http://www.southernpigskin.com/index.php/forums/viewthread/2990/
http://www.southernpigskin.com/index.php/forums/viewthread/2925/
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TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
Wonder about the polls
Only two teams below 15th lost. So even though I think we should be ranked next week, who drops out of the polls to make room for us?
The polls are a joke
FSU should be rated right behind Miami
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TomahawkNation
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And in case you did not see this earlier, this is a Porn shop in Utah
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LOL WTF
"It's always funny until someone gets hurt. Then it's just hilarious."-Bill Hicks
by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 19, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
We are a dropped pass from being top 10...
Not saying we deserve it… but this early in the season not many teams have showed much. I’ve always felt polls shouldn’t come out till at least week 4.
Awesome game.
Given all the whining from BYU and its leg-humpers in the press this week, I gotta say: Nothin’ but a pretender exposed.
’Noles beat them like a rented mule, and it was a true pleasure.
I’m really loving Ponder. This guy is fan-friggin’-tastic.
This so hard
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: CP7 FOR HIESMAN
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Patrick Robinson IMO
LOCKED down his man all night. The one long catch was super contested and wasn’t even a catch.
by Bud Elliott on Sep 19, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
ITS THE OFFICIALS
THE OFFICIALS COULDN’T STOP OUR OFFENSE…..OR THREW BACK-BREAKING INTS
IT WAS ALL THE OFFICIALS, MAN
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: CP7 FOR HIESMAN
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Meh,
To hell with’em. I can understand a little griping about Reid’s pick, but aside from that and a few missed calls that went their way, I thought it was a pretty fair game.
by Drew J Jones on Sep 19, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
They got the benefit of a non-catch
that the guys in the booth should have overturned but didn’t (against P-Rob).
Indeed it is
When Tech comes to town, the trim quotient always goes up appreciably
Need Arkansas to man up
Damn hogs need to stop UGA and pull this game out. The more I think about it the more I worry that no team gets dropped out of the top 25 to make room for us.
Go to ESPN and Vote Other
Who will win ACC ?
Miami
VT
Other
don’t even have us listed….
Why does ESPN Hate us?
Easy.
They’re too busy sucking off Brett Favre to give some proper thought to it.
by Drew J Jones on Sep 19, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Ponders best performance yet???
What do you guys think? That is the best I have seen a QB in an FSU jersey play in a longggg time. Also Trickett did a great job lighting a fire for his unit, they played damn well.
NO. Miami.
The run game dominated this.
by Bud Elliott on Sep 19, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really one or the other.
Ponder played a great game. Over 80% completions? That’s a helluva figure.
Run game was on from the start, though. No doubt about it. O-line finally looked pretty solid.
by Drew J Jones on Sep 19, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear you on that FSUn
the run game was fantastic, but ponder’s decision making, poise, and well timed scrambling was really really impressive.
Provo is a ghost town.
Walking back to our car was bizarre. We literally heard crickets.
The crowd leaving a Les Mis play would seem like soccer hooligans compared to Provo right now.
SWFLNole….calling you out. Eat that crow burrito. Get a to-go box!
by The K-Man on Sep 19, 2009 11:12 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I will eat a ton of crow!
The offense looked great, I haven’t seen a QB get a team into the right call and be on page with the OC like that in a long time.
Give me Crow Pie, crow nuggets, fried crow, etc. I LOVE IT
Provo is a ghost town even when they are partying
LOL
Playstation All American, right again!
TomahawkNation
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools
by DocHoliday2 on Sep 19, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Our defense sucks.
We still can’t get any pressure at all!!!! The secondary did a good job I felt considering the opposing quarterback was a good one. Our linebackers are athletic but you can tell you they aren’t coached that well, I wasn’t thrilled with the angles they take at times.
We got a little pressure
Towards the end of the game we were hitting and rattling Hall, we just still have to blitz to do it. That is an improvement over the UM game though.
by osceolafan850 on Sep 19, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
why do you want to be loved by espn?
eff them. our day in the sun will come. CP is a monster. He’ll win the heisman next year.
+1
the cure for that is to win more often, then they can’t ignore us.
by realnole1128 on Sep 20, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Ponder for the Heisman!
Seriously. If we had beaten Miami, this would be a possibility.
Ponder is a great QB but he isn't heisman material
he just doesn’t have impressive stats that jump out at you.
He has great decision making, mobility, and accuracy
He basically carries the entire team (given that the offense carries the defense).
He had some amazing highlights
Diving for fist downs and that touchdown
He would not win, especially over Teabag, but it will be nice if he get's some votes and sets the stage for next year's run.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
And for tonight at least...
All is right with the world. FSU represents the ACC very well in these type of games.
5 bucks the cut is less than 30 seconds
we didnt upset BYU…we CRUSHED the number 7 team in the country in their house. CRUSHED is the key word.
Versus
Wouldn’t be shocked is versus had some sort of restriction on when the footage could be replayed. If they do ESPN won’t have highlights until tomorrow.
by osceolafan850 on Sep 19, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Brent and Kirk are by far the worst booth crew in the history of the world
the only excitement that ever comes out of their commentary is when brent starts talking about getting drunk and kirk doesnt know how to respond
Gary Danielson and Co suck too
In the UF game, three guys tackled someone and they said “he just got the bing bang bong” and the other replied “that sounds like a typical college night.”
by basbalstr101 on Sep 19, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Ponder sure loves to throw it to Caz
Everytime he rolled out on that bootleg play, Fortson and Caz would both be open, and he would pick Caz every time.
You're not kidding about that dry spell
Get a grip.
I think ESPN is embarrassed
because they could not have been more WRONG they don’t want to advertise they got OWNED with a FAIL prediction that shreds their credibility….
Apparently some people are going to meet the team at Doak when they get back
supposed to be around 5 am.
I would love to go if I wasn’t 3 Hrs Away:(
by Renegade_NOL3 on Sep 20, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
ESPN just put us in their mouth. Everything.
by Bud Elliott on Sep 19, 2009 11:57 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I guess that's what we mean when we say "Fear the Spear"
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Sep 20, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Players get one day to enjoy this
And then they better get their heads on straight. We need to crush USF to keep this lovefest moving. If Groethe is out we should be the Bulls by 17+
only +17?
the way we played tonight? I see at least 25 !
by Renegade_NOL3 on Sep 20, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
too much kool-aid
I’m guessing we will be 8-9 points favorites. USF’s defense is MUCH better than BYU.
Ugh. I swear Tebow yells/spits at his teammates so that all sports media has something else to slobber over.
That is why he gets so fired up. He knows he’s being filmed by someone the entire game, and that stuff builds his legacy that much more as a leader. Great player, leader, but….. attention whore, anyone?
There was a report on ESPN that said Tim Tebow was seen walking on top of the water
all the way across Lake Alice, and he did not even get his sneakers wet.
The report goes on to say that when he reached the other side he turned some water into wine and fed thousands with one loaf of bread, then he proclaimed himself the other Son Of God.
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He ALWAYS knows where the cameras are...
he is a fine athlete, but I think a huge show boat and phony.
He is the bigget attention whore...
in college football since Lamar Thomas.
He is all about him. Yes, I think.
I think too
I can’t stand the guy and with a face like that, you know he has to be an ass.
Have you ever seen what passes for a smile on his face?
It looks more like a twisted grimace
So i'm not the only one who thinks so , cool.
by realnole1128 on Sep 20, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I like his vest with the fake glasses.
Such a nice touch for a humble guy.
Tally=one vote for, the rest of the country against. There is no accounting for taste.
(I kid my brother)
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They're pretty lame
Abd no better than the tire track version of last year. Gotta be losing some recruits over those lame unis.
Is Ty Jones ok?
He disappeared during the second half, he was having a great game, then all of sudden he is not on the field.
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
I will watch for this when I watch the replay
by Bud Elliott on Sep 20, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Did you notice his absence?
It is worrisome, I hope I am just overreacting.
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
On another note, what the hell is up with JT?
Is he more hurt than they’re letting on?
Night fellas
I know I’m going to be dreaming of how we will be winning our National Championship next year and Bobby will get to go out on a good note and thus will begin the new Era of FLORIDA STATE Football !
Recruiting
Hope this helps gain some ground in recruiting!
by DesiNole on Sep 20, 2009 12:29 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
All the hunting commericals nearly got to me
I was on the verge of ordering a bow and a duck call last night.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Sep 20, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
*doesnt mean to pat himself on back*
but i called christians running stats couple days ago, i said i think he’d run in the 60-70 range in this one, and he ran for 77. just sayin hahah.
damn i love some christian right now <3 (no homo)
"theres two types of people in this world, those who CARRY a spear and those who FEAR the spear"-James Coley
I was very impressed with the offense tonight.
They played a perfect game. Ty Jones looked great, the line did a great job opening holes, and Christian did a great job of taking what was given to him. The d still has major problems but they did show improvement. Greg Reid is the man, Dionte did a pretty good job for the most part as did P Rob. BYU made a few out of this world catches in the 1st half. I am very pleased with this effort tonight, lets hope this carries over to the USF game!
I know that on one of those circus catches
that was reviewed, they do the super slo-mo and you can see the ball hit the ground and rotate as it’s being dragged on the ground, and they uphold the call! Don’t know if anyone else saw it
Yes, it definitely was
but I didn’t want to get into that. It would seem nitpicky after a 54-28 win.
by Bud Elliott on Sep 20, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that was the one P-Rob was covering.
The fact it was reviewed and ruled a catch was terrible.
On the other hand, Greg Reid’s Pick-6 was pretty obvious pass interference. If it would have been reviewed it would have been overturned. I’m guessing BYU can’t review a play like that.
Neither one determined the outcome of the game.
Yea the refs acted like it was no question a catch.
They didn’t even take any time reviewing it.
FSUncensored
Seminole owns this freaking board! LOL
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I disagree about the defense. They should be credited with the TOs but many of those were because the offense did so well. The fumble is obviously not a repeatable nor a teachable technique, although it was nice to see that weight lifting does pay off, and BYU was able to move the ball at will until the 3rd quarter. The problem for BYU is that both defenses were on par with one another when compared to the offenses FSU got the ball first and then some fumble luck.
There were circus catches, true, but they were still catches. Max Hall was probably not the sharpest he’s ever been but the Seminole offense was. You knew they were going to run the ball to eat up clock and because BYU would likely come in trying to stop the pass. The bottom line is that Trickett got pissed and Jimbo called a good game. Give the D credit for making the plays they did but to say that the D performed well, I’m not buying it.
BYU only attempted 6 3rd downs because of the fact that they didn’t need more than 2 plays to get a first down throughout the game. Hall had about 10 yards per attempt. The bottom line is that when the game was still close or at least in question FSU ended up with 2 fumbles and a couple of INTs, one which of course should have been called back.
I don’t mean to sound like I’m piling on FSU’s D, although I probably am, but I was very unimpressed with their performance as compared with what FSU’s D should be. I felt that they were better than the Miami game but I feel the O forced BYU to become more one dimensional than the D did. I’m still scared about USF next week Grothe or not.
by evenflow58 on Sep 20, 2009 1:27 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Against an EXCELLENT OU defense
They had almost 400 yards, but had 4 untimely turnovers, and 14 points.
Our 1st team defense gave up 410 yards and 21 points, and this game was in Provo.
I think you underrate BYU’s Offense. But I do see your point.
I think the defense did what it needed to do but I think they received a ginormous assist from the offense. I think very highly of BYU’s defense and Max Hall. However, when you can force an offense to be one dimensional (offenses like GTech and TTech don’t count here) you make your job extremely easier. BYU was forced to pass the ball because they were getting run out of the building. The defense knew this and was able to play accordingly. I think about mid-way through the 3rd quarter the secondary was basically playing an umbrella coverage allowing completions inside 5 yards. They can’t do that if the offense doesn’t perform like they did and it’s not a winning strategy in a close game.
The defense absolutey got a huge boost from the offense
BYU knew they had to score every time, and there was enormous pressure on them.
I agree with you there.
by Bud Elliott on Sep 20, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree
Our defensive performance is what it needed to be … force Utah into low % throws and try and capitalize on the turnovers.
Our defense is not strong … but it was a well executed defensive plan (based on our weaknesses and their strengthes) where we created situations to exploit.
I agree, I don't see how we can say any part of the defense played well.
They passed at will on us. Their running game seemed to be either boom or bust.
" And He drank the world's sin so He could carry you in, and give you life"
This is the post I was waiting to see.
I love TN and got hooked here originally (and I know so many of you will relate to this) because of the way Bud helped me focus what I knew about football but wasn’t being told, “Yes, that’s right!” I’m talking about the sabermetrics stuff, the modern measurements, the things no one else in the media was pointing me to that tell me, “Yes, I knew I was right in thinking that way.” To me, if we’re going to talk about stats that throw out garbage time and predict a game that sees the offense scoring a lot of points so that the defense can focus exclusively on the pass, then we have to discount those turnovers that occurred after FSU had put 40 points on the board. The fact of the matter is that the offense dropped 47 big ones on these guys, and we can’t count on them doing that every week, just as we can’t count on the two fumble recoveries and NCAA 10 level fingertip bounces. But I’m NOT here to poo-poo on the game: It was a blast! And I’d love to think we could put together a few more performance like this before December. If we happen to save them for UNC and Clemson, that’d be just fine.
ACC OOC games this week.
Overall 5-3
Wins
FSU – BYU 54-28
VT – Nebraska 16-15
UNC – ECU 31-17
NCST – Gardner Webb 45-14
WF – Elon 35 – 7
Losses:
MTSU – Maryland 32-31
Kansas – Duke 44-16
So. Miss – UVA 37-34
ACC bottom feeders remain on course to ensure ACC cannot gain any respect as a conference. Have to win AT LEAST the cupcake games. Should have scheduled Texas College. Side note: Texas College’s QB’s name is Bloodsaw. Seriously.
Something else to consider
NO short fields for BYU. KOs and lack of turnovers kept them pinned back. Had we only seen that vs Miami.
by robrrt on Sep 20, 2009 1:52 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
i agree, i think if we could have kept UM inside the 30 to start we win that game "easily"
If you build it, they will come.
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by stevegrizzle on Sep 20, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I knew
that FSU should blow out this BYU team, but I had nearly been convinced by the fact that NOBODY in the media gave FSU a chance. I figured maybe they knew something I didn’t or something. But I was right, a close loss against what is looking like a very good Miami team and a sleepwalk through a lower division team does not a bad team make.
Awesome game, my 45-30 pick was somewhat close
I still don’t buy the defense; we were fortunate for the turnovers, because they were moving the ball. They’ll cost us another game if we don’t shore up. When everyone was clamoring for Ponder to be taken out, I was still worried because of the D and stayed that way until the final TD (then we took him out, which was fine). Good news is there are several teams on our ACC sked that we can simply outgun (helloooo BC). But I think the defense will have to show a little improvement to (convincingly) beat Ga. Tech, Clemson, UNC and maybe even NC State.
But let us not overlook USF, we HAVE to beat them. MUST WIN!!!
by hopnole23 on Sep 20, 2009 3:15 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
hopnole 23, Congrat's you just barely beat my 45-35 final score prediction, yours is actually closer to the final than mine.
Gentlemen, I take great pleasure in awarding this weeks shiny prize for the closest final score prediction to hopnole23. Let’s give him a big round of Seminole Warchant.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
Enjoy your bling cause next week is less than a week away (huh?)
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
If
Grothe is hurt, we’ll be fine. The DE is George Selvie who hasn’t done anything since his sophmore year.
by gonolesrolltide on Sep 20, 2009 3:44 AM EDT reply actions
I’m concerned about the prep time USF has had. Look at their three games so far. They were cake walks. No doubt they used time each week to prep for FSU.
honestly
I’m glad they’ve had three cake walks. They won’t be used to playing a BCS team.
Not to mention they’re QB is hurt.
Agreed but
their OLine is terrible. I’ve been watching them.
by Bud Elliott on Sep 20, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
USFs oline?
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
I grew up
literally a half mile from USF. While I do root for them, this will be a game I will not. USF’s offense runs through Grothe, I think we can hold them in check. Our offense will pick apart the defense. I’m going to say FSU by 2 TDs in this one.
by gonolesrolltide on Sep 20, 2009 4:30 AM EDT reply actions
Maybe ...
Though this is the same team that held OU to 13 points (and battled even with them with Bradford in).
I’d like to think they are in the 12 to 20 range … it was a great win for FSU against a Top10 team at their place. That doesn’t mean they suck. Their offense is great and their defense can be exploited. Just glad we were able to do it.
We're actually lucky that they couldn't get their offense on track
The turnovers really did them in, and the fact that we got the ball on offense first. they were trying to play catch-up all game, and at first I was worried that they might actually do it (especially after missing the extra point AGAIN). Our defense did enough to win by forcing turnovers and our offense is Da Bomb!
If BYU is overrated
Then every team must be overrated. BYU beat #5 Oklahoma. Are they overrated? No the real story here is FSU is way underrated as usual.
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by DocHoliday2 on Sep 20, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Instant Analysis of FSU v. BYU game
Obviously not as in-depth … but a nice feel good read none-the-less …
It
was GREAT hearing the chant in their stadium!!!
(Had to watch the replay on AFN in Iraq)
by gonolesrolltide on Sep 20, 2009 5:04 AM EDT reply actions
This game says something to me.
1) JF is the real deal. He has put together an Offense that can score. He can call plays. He can win and will win games.
2) Micky got lucky. I know the Def played very well for the most part but we still had no pressure on the QB all game. When we play GT how are we going to stop the run. I know everyone is high right now because this was a great win for us but we have to look at what happened. Our front 4 got no pressure and the LB didnt help much at all.
3) We still might make it to the ACCCG and I hope we see Miami there. We get another shot at them and We win. We can out score any team in the Conf with the way we played last night. Our next goal is USF but we have to get ready for GT and Clem. We should beat the rest of the ACC. UNC might have a Def but not good enough and there Offense went backwards.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
Props to the D
Granted this is not the best D we have seen from FSU they still held BYu to 21 points at their house and I believe they only had like 3 losses at their stadium in as many years…They bent but didnt break and P Rob is for real Greg Reid is a key addition and Dionte Allen may be the man to step up opposite P.Rob this was an impressive win and a win like we have not seen in years in terms of overall offense and points scored so big props to FSU coaches and hope they get ready for USF….also Recruiting should be a bit easier sale this week so I hope we make strides in that area as well good pub
I'm new here
However, I have been following TN since right before last season started. I was wanting my first comment to be Aristotle enligtening so here it goes… The key to winning the rest of our games is to score more points than our opponent. I’m no genius but I have discovered through my years of watching sports that if u score more points than ur opponent u generally win w/ exception to golf of course. No serious, I have really enjoyed keeping up w/ FSU football on TN. I get on here every day as long as I have access to the internet.
Welcome!
Doesn’t it suck though to be up 30-14 and feel uncomfortable?
by Bud Elliott on Sep 20, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
yes but
We will get back to having a very good to great defense next season or the season after. But right now our offence seems to be really heading in the right direction. 54 points was the most points that FSU has scored on an OOC opponent away from home since 1988 when we beat USCe 59-0 so I am excited about this program climbing out of the gutter!
Im not ready to assume our D will be back anytime soon.
I will start to believe once the foundation is replaced.
Its like building a house, I can see the vision, but until someone gets in there and rips out the guts of the place, its just a vision.
Jimbo will need some time to hire the right guy and have whomever that person is insert their system.
My friend lives in PHX and he says the same thing
I am always surprised at that sort of thing.
I haven't heard a lot of us posting about it...
But putting Pryor at the RB spot in the I formation is GOLD. What a great freaking idea…
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
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Penalties
Another thing that I have noticed is that we have definitely improved in the area of ridiculous penalties. Through the two big games, Miami and BYU, I don’t recall seeing any of the blatant stupidity that we have become used to over the years.
Right, like the ever popular late hit out of bounds which we were always good for at least 1 or 2 times a game.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
Yep thats it
Although the D linemen never seem to be within 10yds of the QB so it might just be a lack of opportunity
Yes. Defensive penalties are fine
holding on offense is fine.
But false starts and alignment penalties are not.
by Bud Elliott on Sep 20, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
AP poll
put us at #18….Even though Matt astutely said we would be overrated had we been 3-0 right now, it would be such a fantastic feeling to see it…
Great win though over BYU, I have to admit, i had drank the negativity kool-aid after the UM and JSU games.
lookin real quick, prob no wors than 8th.
If only we had a defense eh?
Matt Grothe out for season just crossed espn
"theres two types of people in this world, those who CARRY a spear and those who FEAR the spear"-James Coley
Is it just me, or in the picture above does it look like Christian Ponder is impersonating the Heisman pose?
Could he be getting ready for 2010?
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
yeah it does ! Next Year baby !
as long as our offense keeps up the progress :)
by Renegade_NOL3 on Sep 20, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Needing to score basically everytime we get the ball is not sustainable.
Sorry, but I am just so down on the defense I can’t contain my debby downerness
" And He drank the world's sin so He could carry you in, and give you life"
Let us not forget about how FSU's defense
over the last several years has had the innate ability to make first time starting qb’s look like future Heisman’s and All Americans. I almost feel better with Grothe starting.
Any one have the BYU game on avi?
I would love to watch the game again.
How in the hell do the coaches still have y'all ranked BEHIND BYU!!!????
I think y’all pretty well proved who was the better team, and in their staduim.
by Cane Ressurection on Sep 21, 2009 10:02 AM EDT reply actions
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