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Florida State's Undercover Youth Movement

When Jimbo Fisher arrived at Florida State in 2007 to be Florida State's offensive coordinator and head coach in waiting, he noted that FSU had few, if any, players who could play at Fisher's old school, LSU.  It wasn't that Florida State hadn't been bringing in quality talent.  Their 2005, 2006, and 2007 classes were decently rated, but the coaches Fisher would replace were beyond lazy in their player evaluations and the practical effect was that FSU continually managed to pick the overrated of the most highly rated, or the attitude problem children that other programs shied away from.  So Fisher and his newly hired offensive assistants hit the recruiting trail.  Hard.  Their work ethic put pressure on some of the coaches who were still around from the pre-Fisher days.  They didn't want to get shown up, so they worked a bit harder.  Florida State reeled in a top 10 class.  Last season after the Noles had the top offense in the ACC, the ACC's offensive coordinator of the year reeled in another top 10 class.  The key though, was to make sure those players qualified (avoiding the bad apples), and to get players that fit a specific vision instead of just grabbing highly ranked players without regard to fit.  

The plan seems to be working, but you wouldn't know it from watching television.  While everyone in the media seems to want to talk about the youth movement happening at Miami, Florida State has just as many starters from their rebuilding classes of 2008 and 2009.  The Canes have 8 starters who are either freshmen or sophomores, and the Noles have 8 as well.  Both teams have a number of freshmen or sophomores who contribute as well.  And not just when the outcome of the game is no longer in doubt.  The Noles are counting on young players on offense, defense, and special teams to make big plays in clutch moments. 

The most obvious of these on defense is Sophomore linebacker Nigel Bradham (shown above).  A physical freak, Bradham was the #1 rated outside linebacker in the 2008 recruiting class.  After shining on special teams as a freshman, Bradham has exploded this year.  Outside of Senior cornerback Patrick Robinson, Bradham is the Seminole's best defensive player.  Not only is he FSU's biggest and strongest linebacker, but Bradham has been exceptional in coverage as well.  Against Miami Bradham was the Nole's most consistent run stopper, but he also covered the Cane's kick returner and running back Greg Cooper, staying with him step for step on many plays.  In Florida State's 54-28 obliteration of #7 ranked BYU, Bradham did a great job of covering the underneath pick routes BYU was running.  Despite the ref's reluctance to call some of BYU's more blatant pick routes, Bradham was able to re-route his man several times, forcing him just slightly off his intended path.  Nigel had the Nole's only QB hurry against BYU, and at the end of the game he also tallied an interception to erase any doubts of of a comeback in even the most hopeful of Cougar fans.  

While Bradham was impressive, the Nole's defense is getting big plays from it's smallest player.  5'9" 165lb freshman cornerback Greg Reid is fast becoming a household name, not only for Seminoles fans, but for college football fans across the country.  Against Miami, Reid came on a corner blitz and hit Miami quarterback Jacory Harris as he threw, forcing the ball to pop up into the air and into the arms of Junior Markus White (a JUCO transfer from the 2008 class), who returned it for a touchdown.  He also stepped in front of another Harris pass for an interception along the sideline in the second quarter.  Reid's electric kickoff returns made Miami change their kickoff strategy.  When the Canes began kicking the ball short, Reid took it upon himself to change spots with another player right before the kickoff.  Without realizing, Miami kicked short and right into the arms of the freshman they were trying to avoid and Reid had another electric return.  But it was Reid's play against BYU that launched him into the national spotlight.  Late in the second quarter, BYU began to find their tight ends.  Concerned about this, to open the 3rd quarter FSU's coaches put the 5'9" 165lb Reid on the 6'6" 260lb Andrew George, figuring that he was quick enough to pester and stick with him underneath.  They would deal witht he size disadvantage if BYU adjusted.  On BYU's opening drive of the 2nd half, the Cougars opened up by running the ball at the Nole's undersized front.  They targed Pitta and the pass was incomplete as FSU was flagged for pass interference.  Then Reid took George who had split out in the slot..  On 2nd and 11, it happened:

Reid jammed the much larger Groege, who then threw a forearm to try to get away.  Reid grabbed to stay with the tight end and just undercut the route.  There was offensive pass interference on the push and defensive pass interference on the pull and the refs let them play.  A few seconds later the Noles were up 37-14 and the Cougars quit.  FSU forced 5 turnovers against BYU.  4 by underclassmen, and 3 of those were from freshmen.

But it's not just the Nole's youth on defense that has people excited.  

Star-divide

The Noles start 5 sophomores on offense.  In fact, the Seminole offense is younger than the defense.  There are only two senior starters touching the ball in Tallahassee.  FSU had the best offense in the ACC last year, and this year they are even better.  Against two ranked opponents (Miami and BYU), the Noiles are averaging over 450 yards and 44 points per game.  The Nole's dismantling of BYU was one of the best in Seminole history.  2 Seniors, 5 Juniors, and 5 Sophomore starters.  

It starts up front.  Last season, the FSU offensive line was the youngest in the country, starting 3 true freshmen and two sophomores.  Fisher had to gameplan around them, and that he still had the top offense in the ACC with the youngest offensive line in the country may be Fisher's finest coaching job (including the National Championship with LSU).  This year, the FSU offensive line is the strength of the team.  They are talented and cohesive.  In their two games against 1A competition, they have allowed Ponder to be sacked only twice in sixty seven pass plays.  That's a sack rate of less than 3% and rates as one of the best in the country.  FSU rushed for more than 100 yards against Miami and the Seminoles considered that a "down" game.  But Miami was loading up against the run and FSU carved them up with the pass.  Against BYU, the cougars were scared to put too many players up against the run, for fear of FSU's athletes beating their defensive backs, and the Seminole offensive line had a field day.  They did not allow a tackle for loss.  They did not allow a sack.  The Noles rushed for 313 yards.  It was a truly dominant effort.  How dominant?  BYU's two leading tacklers were their cornerbacks.  FSU's young offensive line would not allow the Cougar linebacker to make tackles.  The announcers referred to them as "Velcro", because their blocks just stuck.  

It's not just the young big uglies who are carrying the team, however.  FSU's youngsters are contributing at the skill positions as well.  Florida State scored 7 touchdowns Saturday.  5 came from underclassmen (2 from sophomores and 3 from freshmen).  Sophomore running back Carlton Ty Jones leads the team in rushing.  Jones consistently hits the right hole and does it with power.  Sophomore Jermaine Thomas, and freshmen Lonnie Pryor and Chris Thompson also get in on the act.  Against BYU, they accounted for 186 yards on 26 rushes.  The Noles receiving corps is also littered with underclassmen.  Sophomores Jarmon Fortson, Bert Reid, and Taiwan Easterling are all leaned on heavily.  Fortson is the most talented of the group at 6'3" 228' with good speed and amazing athleticism.  Fortson has 11 grabs for 148 yards this season.  Of the Nole's 271 yards passing per game, 130 go to underclassmen.  

But the most impressive play of the day in my eyes probably went unnoticed by most.  Leading 20-14 and having just given up a touchdown drive to BYU, FSU faced 3rd and goal at the Cougar 5.  The Noles got in the shotgun, with 3 wide receivers, a tight end, and a running back.  That back was true freshman Lonnie Pryor, who would score two touchdowns on the day.  When I saw the formation, I figured that FSU was running a draw.  Surely they would ask a true freshman running back to pick up the blitz from a 3-4 defense.  Right?  BYU brought the blitz, an overload to Pryor's side.  The play was a pass.  If FSU was to score, Pryor would need to block the blitzing outside linebacker, who outweighed him by 30lbs.  The blitzer never got within three yards of quarterback Christian Ponder, as Pryor set, drove his hips, and stoned the 'backer, then drove him past the pocket.  Ponder made his reads and then, with excellent protection, found tight end Caz Piurowski for the 27-14 lead, right before half.  Fisher trusted a freshman running back to pick up arguably the most important block of the game.  Credit FSU running backs coach Dexter Carter for schooling Pryor and having him ready to play.  When you play freshmen in important roles and give them the skills to succeed, their confidence skyrockets.  

Florida State has just 12 scholarship seniors (15 if you count walk-ons who earned their scholarship at the completion of fall camp).  There are only 11 scholarship Juniors.  Where FSU failed to bring in the right players in 2006 and 2007, those who stuck around are a nice compliment to the excellence that is Fisher's first two recruiting classes (2008 and 2009).  The Noles have 27 sophomores and 25 sophomores.  70% of the scholarship players are underclassmen.  

The Noles will return 16 starters in 2009, and lose few important reserves.  While they may encounter some growing pains this year, that experience could help the Noles reach special heights next season.  

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Great Article

I think it could also be said that Jimbo is finding those players that understand his concept of “Toughness”— that selfless understanding that no matter what is happening around you, good or bad, you have to find it in yourself to perform @ your optimal level.

Its just been amazing to see the positive energy that he and other people who came in with him bring to the staff.

True love for the game.

by Trus1te on Sep 21, 2009 1:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Oh, and did you see the form on Manuel?

I was just blown away.

I think Christian Ponder is creating a great legacy for himself and FSU—even on his way to becoming a top NFL prospect… but the guy behind him is just like nothing I’ve had the privilege of watching. That has to be the quickest drop and the fastest/strongest arm I’ve seen in a while. Hope he continues to develop back there; he is going to create a lot of excitement.

by Trus1te on Sep 21, 2009 1:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Only concern I see is the Dline still

Granted we do not lose much talent on the Dline, but many of the losses on defense are on the line correct? Mincey, Thacker, McNeil and Stewart correct? So as the freshmen from this year are finally getting seasoned, next year will still see more freshmen getting thrown out there correct, or do you think they just make our talented guys on the Dline play most of the game?

by nolestuff on Sep 21, 2009 1:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Correct, but who of those are starters?

Stewart logs probably 50 snaps per game, but the rest don’t combine to make the snaps of a single starter.

Next year it will be white, stevens, jenkins, mccray, mcdaniel, mcallister, dawkins, and mccloud (juco)

by Bud Elliott on Sep 21, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

White will be back again? I hope he is better by then. That otherwise is not bad, and gives two deep. Still I would not mind having three deep considering injuries or guys who just underperform.

by nolestuff on Sep 21, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that DL is just OK at best...

I don’t see ANY domination (or even great player) outside of maybe McDaniel.

by noles55 on Sep 21, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

What a difference a year makes

This year, we’re throwing out the Div-1AA stats to IMPROVE Ponder’s numbers. Who’da thunk it?

by The K-Man on Sep 21, 2009 1:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Pryor

Nice call on the btliz pickup by him.

I know for the NFL the problem with rookie RBs is not their ability to run the ball. But their ability to identify where the blitz is coming from. Pick up the right guy to block and actually block em are the toughest things to do by far.

I would imagine it’s a bit similar in college too

by Cee on Sep 21, 2009 2:20 AM EDT reply actions  

It's definitely a big adjustment for backs

A player that FSU (and most other college programs) recruits for RB (and most other positions as well) is usually the best player on his team in high school. How many times do you think a high school team asks its best player to block?

by nolesblogger on Sep 21, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree

valid point there

by Cee on Sep 21, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Props FSUn

I think it is great to see some of our younger guys making those big plays! It is great to see that the offense is clearly headed in the right direction, now if only we can get a coach on defense equal to Jimbo!!! From the projections we have on our incoming class we should be loaded at the LB position, DL should be headed in the right direction with some much needed big bodies, DB class can be excellent if we land both mitchell and Joyner. The future is looking good and I really am excited to hear MA replacement in the future! GO NOLES!!!

by phxnole85 on Sep 21, 2009 3:23 AM EDT reply actions  

I was really impressed with

Pryor on Saturday. I think he’s going to be successful running with an H-back in front of him and running from the FB position himself. He’s runs extremely hard, I liked what I saw for sure. It was nice to see all of our backs get carries, but i’d like to see Thompson get a chance to catch some passes out of the backfield or even the slot. I liked Pressley finally getting some carries, he looked good and was obviously anxious. He also had a chance to score but Rich Goodman tackled him lol. I think Saturday was a boost our running game needed and we’ll be able to gain momentum from it.

I also want to give A.J Alexander props, I know it was garbage time but he made a nice play on that INT out there. I know how much we loathe attitude with here at TN (lol) but our defense making plays like it did the other day will pay off. For all that’s been said about our defense I believe that improved D-line play would change people’s opinions of our defense DRASTICALLY. Everytime there is any type of significant pressure put on a QB our DB’s are usually in decent to good position to make a play. Like its been said many times before no DB can cover for 5,6,7 seconds. P-Rob is playing shutdown ball and Dionte Allen has stepped up in a major way. Jamie Robinson is still a bit shaky which is disappointing based on pre-season camp, but on the flip side it appears Terrance Parks is becoming more healthy and seeing the field more.

by truenole87 on Sep 21, 2009 8:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Pryor is listed at 195

but both he and Ty Jones run about 20 lbs. heavier than they’re listed.

by ricobert1 on Sep 21, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

What happens when these guys "Hit the Wall" ?

I’m as happy as anybody else in seeing a successful youth movement on the team. I am however, somewhat concerned about the so called “wall” where the younger players are simply not acclimated to playing so hard for such an extended period of time. Does anybody else see this as a potential problem or is it more of a mental thing?

"Necessity is the mother of taking chances."
- Mark Twain

by DarkestOS on Sep 21, 2009 9:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Absolutely

it can happen. Probably will, but does it all happen at once? Ponder makes this team really really special.

by Bud Elliott on Sep 21, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ponder was running a little too recklessly for my taste

He needs to run & SLIDE, or get out of bounds. Show him the tape of the other FSU (Fresno State) QB getting blown up late in the game by a LB.

by FSUjab on Sep 21, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Ponder runs recklessly

may run too frequently for a QB, but a lot is his making something out of nothing. I’ll worry if he takes big hits, but he seems to be avoiding the heavy contact and that’s all I can ask out of a QB – especially one that runs as much as we’re asking Ponder to do (both on designed runs and scrambles).

by RishiM on Sep 21, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great piece as usual - I like how you point out the media's love-fest with UM's young team

I’ve been high on Jones & Pryor for a while now. Arguably, they are FSU’s 2 best backs.

I am concerned with Thomas though. Something’s up there. Anyone got any info or ideas?

by FSUjab on Sep 21, 2009 9:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Not sure its anything more than injury...

I though Jones was a better RB last year before he got hurt. Then Thomas stepped up and Jones wasn’t around much until the bowl game. You have to make the most of the opportunities that you are presented with regardless of the reason they came about. Looks like a role reversal this year.

Nothing flashy about the backfield, but nothing too scary either. Jones, Thomas, Pressley, Pryor and Thompson… more than capable.

I can see why Sims took off.

by coonhound on Sep 21, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bradham

I would argue that he has been our best player on defense this year. I’ve been somewhat unimpressed with PRob so far…

by Pinto on Sep 21, 2009 9:59 AM EDT reply actions  

I think PRob keeps getting a bad wrap

I don’t know what people expect out of him, but they rarely ever test him and when they do he’s right in the receiver’s hip pocket. Most of the completions on him have been on quick slants.

by truenole87 on Sep 21, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am probably being a bit harsh

But it seems like when you hear his name, he is giving up a long play or getting called for a penalty. Like I said, I’m probably being a bit harsh…he is doing some good things, but the bad things stand out a little more, probably b/c the expectations are so high.

by Pinto on Sep 21, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's been really good in one on ones

they rarely test him, even on that seam route that got caught he had perfect coverage, it was just a great throw and catch. You can’t defend a perfect pass. He hasn’t tackled well, but he isn’t the one that is the problem in the secondary.

by SWFLNole. on Sep 21, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

His expectations are a bit high.

Keep in mind what TrueNole87 said above. You can’t maintain coverage for 7 seconds and be successful. If Everette Brown or equivalent was on this team the numbers would like much different.
On that reviewed play where Patrick got “beat”, his reaction told it all. It was like, “are you kidding me? Is everybody Lynn Swann against me this year?”

by The K-Man on Sep 21, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

CBs seem to be doing their job when you DON'T hear their name...

I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.

Elayne Boosler

by NaGaNole on Sep 21, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Case in point

Nate Alongassnameicantspell for the Raiders. Guy is considered one of, it not the best lock down corner in the NFL right now and last season he had 1 pick.

by truenole87 on Sep 21, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he averaged less than 1 completion his way per game, and less than 2 attempts per game.

Something insane like that. If his name was Blaze McForce, he’d be considered the best player in the NFL. He name just sucks for the average American football fan. Too much effort to pronounce.

by The K-Man on Sep 21, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Champ Bailey anyone?????

he has the name and was a baller. one year they only threw the ball his way 6 times and he had 4 picks or some crazy shit like that

If you build it, they will come.

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by stevegrizzle on Sep 22, 2009 5:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it is a good thing that we don't hear PRob's name much as others have observed and mentioned,

and I really don’t think Pass Int is always a bad play in college ball, or even defensive holding on a WR.

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by FrankDNole on Sep 21, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

worked for um.......

might have won them the game

If you build it, they will come.

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by stevegrizzle on Sep 22, 2009 5:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I cant get over that tackle in the UM game

its like a nightmare. I really believe that if he makes the smart play, we beat UM. I agree though, I probably expect to much.

by Miaminole on Sep 21, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another quality read FSUn

I think Pryor turned a lot of heads in that game. Like everyone else, what’s up with J. Thomas? Not sure about you guys but its good seeing Jimbo crack a smile on the sideline from time to time. Good things to come, Go Noles!!!

by CSI Nole on Sep 21, 2009 10:02 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Some things I saw that excited me...

-I like how there seems to be alot more focus on playing as a team. I saw N. Carr practically on the field celebrating and slapping offensive and defensive guys on the back after good plays numerous times. All the running backs and wide recievers are congratulating each other. Great to see unlike yrs past.

- Moses Mcray looked furious in the first quarter when he realized he hurt is elbow and had to come out of the game… It was like he knew how detrimental his loss would be for us.

- Pryor’s bruising and elusive style of running. His run to the right side, i think in the third quarter ,where he makes the first guy completly miss almost effortlessly and then drives forward for about a 9 yard gain was awesome.

by noles 4 life u dig? on Sep 21, 2009 10:35 AM EDT reply actions  

noles 4 life

im agreeing with you on that nigel carr assessment, he was high fiving offensive players, high fiving dustin after every touchback, he is the type of player i want on my defense, i cant wait to see him with more playing time.

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by jfree on Sep 21, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Send this to all of our recruits

Smart writing, FSUn. There’s a lot to be positive about with this team, especially when the new coaches come in.

Swagger, Intensity, Execution

by DKfromVA on Sep 21, 2009 10:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Good on you Bud

Great write up on an otherwise underreported aspect of FSU football.

Also kudos for giving LP his dues. I know you weren’t high on him but it looks like he is ready to prove you wrong.

He could work his way into the #2 spot if JT doesn’t start producing a little more.

by GrassyNole on Sep 21, 2009 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

This is the reason why I am so pumped about this team.

This article just confirms my optimism. Great read once again.

by ChileanNole on Sep 21, 2009 11:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Very nice piece, Bud.

With all the youth stepping up big time, I think Ponder’s role as a leader is more crucial than ever. A split could develop without someone like Ponder (and others) to hold everyone together.

by missourinole on Sep 21, 2009 11:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Totally Agree

Quick, how many QB’s would you take over Ponder right now?

by Bud Elliott on Sep 21, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly, not many.

Our choices are:

Tebow — call me crazy but I think CP has a much better pocket presence.
Bradford — great in the pocket but he doesn’t have Ponder’s wheels.
McCoy — good balanced qb, can run and throw, but does NOT have tremendous arm strength.

In the end it looks like CP is the complete package. We need to give props to Jimbo for seeing Ponder’s potential and even more so for having the balls to play him over Weatherford.

"Necessity is the mother of taking chances."
- Mark Twain

by DarkestOS on Sep 21, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh, I think the discussion is a little bigger than that

I don’t know how many I would take over him, to tell you the truth. Nobody has looked more impressive this year to me. However others possess different skill sets, and/or have shown it over a longer period of time.

by SWFLNole. on Sep 21, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah the sample size on CP is small

I for one am NOT ready to brand him as “Heisman Ready”. He definitely needs to demonstrate he can do this for the entire season. But I think we all agree he’s exhibiting the traits of a great QB.

"Necessity is the mother of taking chances."
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by DarkestOS on Sep 21, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

EJ! EJ! EJ!

J/k, I’m a huge Ponder fan.

by FSUjab on Sep 21, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good stuff as always FSUn. Something you did not touch on that has been on my mind.

I have not seen a replay of the game, so consider this only as an observations made during the live broadcast.

It seemed to me that the the recievers blocking, especially downfield, took a dramatic turn for the better this game over their performance in the first 2 games. They were blocking and maintaining their blocks much better.

>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em

by FrankDNole on Sep 21, 2009 12:48 PM EDT reply actions  

This was always so easy for me

Rick Trickett: People are not going to like seeing us roll into town. I am looking for five guys who will hit somebody in the mouth. Are we finally beginning to understand what he meant by this?

Fisher says Ponder will play in the NFL. That was the end of the story for me. Kindly point me to a better evaluator of quarterbacks than Jimbo Fisher!

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by DocHoliday2 on Sep 21, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Jimbo definitely has an eye

I shudder when I think of how good Perriloux would have been if he didn’t screw it up at LSU.

by truenole87 on Sep 21, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

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