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CBS Sports Blogpoll Draft Ballot Week 4: Road Warrior Edition

This is not a power poll. I don't attempt to rank teams based on how good I think they are. I only rank teams based on their resume. What have they done? Not how talented are their payers or how other polls project them to do, but what have they done?The poll is designed to be dynamic. I try to start from scratch every week. I do attempt to reward teams for "quality losses", while punishing them for bad performances. I do not give excessive credit for stomping horrible teams. I reward quality play, win or lose, particularly against other good teams. I am not bumping team A 10 spots and docking team B 10 spots when team A beats team B by a field goal in what was essentially an equally played game.I like to reward playing well against good teams, win or lose, and punish losing to poor teams more harshly than I reward defeating poor teams. To that end, Cincinnati and Boise will not climb higher in my poll for the rest of the year.

I Reward Grinders. I reward those who play difficult schedules. Teams that play a tough team every week don't get to spend extra time preparing for their tough games, and they also don't face the attrition other teams face because they are able to pull their starters in blowouts. Fewer plays for important players reduces the chance those players will get injured.

So, my top 25, after the jump, with explanations.

Star-divide

RankTeam
1 Miami (Florida)
2 Alabama
3 Cincinnati
4 California
5 Florida
6 LSU
7 Boise State
8 Iowa
9 Georgia
10 Michigan
11 UCLA
12 Florida State
13 Auburn
14 North Carolina
15 Washington
16 Southern Cal
17 Houston
18 Texas
19 Oregon
20 Clemson
21 South Carolina
22 Oklahoma State
23 Ohio State
24 Missouri
25 Va Tech

Miami has the most impressive resume to date, beating an impressive FSU team and crushing a quality Georgia Tech squad.  If they beat VTech this weekend, they will most likely not drop.

Alabama is #2 on the strength of one of the most dominant performance of the year, in my opinion.  

I give a lot of weight to teams who travel cross country and win, as we've seen much better teams attempt the feat and consistently lose to poor teams.  So Cincinnati, Cal, FSU, LSU, and UCLA get credit there.

I do not count 1-AA wins, no matter how dominant or poor.  

The top 1-loss squads, in order: 

Georgia (L @ OKST, W USCe, W @ ARK).
FSU (L v. Miami 38-34, W @ BYU 54-28).
Washington (L v. LSU close, and arguably outplayed the Tigers, W v. USC)
Southern Cal (W @ OSU, L @ Wash)
Oregon (L @ Boise, W v. Purdue, W v. Utah)
Clemson (L @ GT, though arguably outplayed Tech, W v. BC-held Eagles to 54 total yards, the most dominant defensive performance I have seen in years)
South Carolina (W @ NCST, L @ UGA, both close)
Okie State (W v. UGA, L v. Houston)
Ohio State (L v. USC, and um, dominated a decent Toledo team Notre Dame (have to give credit for quality play,equally weight their loss @ Mich, with their Win v. Mich St., plus they crushed a decent Nevada team).

Snubs & Subs (Who the AP Poll has that I don't, and Vice-versa)

Snub Sub
Ole Miss Iowa
Penn State UCLA
Oklahoma Auburn
Virginia Tech Oregon
TCU Clemson
BYU South Carolina
Kansas VTech
Nebraska Missouri

 

So, I'd like your thoughts.  Who should be higher, lower?  What team should be dropped?  With whom would you replace them?  Keep in mind if you bring the "team A is better than team B" stuff, I'll simply ignore you.  Please argue with our criteria in mind.

And remember, next week I'll break out the excel sheet and do it all over again.

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I love the concept

however, I don’t see how you can give notre dame love for beating two very mediocre teams (nevada is good? and winning only b/c mich st choked is respectable?)
yet not give byu love for beating oklahoma..

by 000111 on Sep 22, 2009 3:03 PM EDT reply actions  

they hammered Nevada, 30-0, and that’s a decent Nevada team. I give as much credit for their Michigan loss as their Michigan State win.

BYU, was absolutely dominated at home, and they basically played OU to a standstill, mostly with OU just repeatedly beating themselves. But you have a fair point.

by Bud Elliott on Sep 22, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nevada & Mich St are overrated. Nevada lost to Colorado St this past weekend (was in CO) 35-20, but was 35-6 before Nevada got a couple of garbage time TDs in the last 3 mins. Mich St lost to MAC power Central Mich, whose offense was dominated by an Arizona team that I don’t think is very good either. I put BYU & VT ahead of ND. I wouldn’t say we absolutely dominated (ok, on offense we did) they just self-destructed. You can’t have it both ways. Rationalize their OU victory as OU self-destructing, but calling our win absolute domination. If you’re gonna throw in Nevada, I’ll throw in the dismantling of an admittedly bad Tulane, but was a cross country road game. As for VT, I agree Bama is very good but Hokies were hanging around until half through the 4th & Nebraska is good. Your #2 Bama is better than Mich & NU is better than MSU.

by sperrett on Sep 23, 2009 3:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm...interesting.

Not sure I agree with leaving Vtech out or having Clemson in.
Clemson lost to Gtech and beat a not so good BC team.
Vtech held Bamer close and beat Nebraska. They should get some love for that.

by KnoxNole on Sep 22, 2009 3:03 PM EDT reply actions  

VTech is yet to have 300 yards of offense against a BCS conference team

Nebraska outplayed them with the exception of one play, and Alabama held them under 200 yards in the most impressive performance of the season in my eyes. I really think you should check the link I put with the Bama note, that was dominance.

by Bud Elliott on Sep 22, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Virgnia Tech's defense came up with some key stops though.

Yes there offense is abysmal, but many teams on this list are ranked simply because they have offensive fire-power and no defense. Making the reverse true doesn’t make them a worse team, just a team with a completely different identity. Truth be told, I would rather have a very good defense and an average offense than the other way around.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Sep 22, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

498.

However 268 of that was on the ground which is probably more of an apparition than anything. ( not trying to argue with you premise that Alabama dominated VT).

I would consider the loss to Alabama better than the win that Mizzou has over a Bowling Green team who lost to Marshall. I would consider the Nebraska win better than a win over Illinois whose only win has come against an FCS school.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Sep 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought it was 500, hmm

Also, I disagree on the apparition because they’ve given up 100+ rushing yards every game so far. VT has played two games against BCS conference teams, and have been out gained in both, one in absolutely obliterating fashion.

And I do not think the Nebraska win, at home, in which they were out gained and outplayed, better than Missouri’s domination of Illinois. Nebraska’s only win came over two Sunbelt teams or equivalent.

by Bud Elliott on Sep 22, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

100 yards on the ground is

anything to throw out the defense on. 268 yards in unacceptable in every way.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Sep 22, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

you had said it was an apparition I was just attempting to show it was sort of consistent with their other games.

by Bud Elliott on Sep 22, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair Enough.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Sep 22, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

VT doesn't look that good and I'm expecting UM to win this weekend.

Which means they could be 4-0 and ranked in the top 5 if they beat OK – and they have a good chance of doing that as well. What a huge turnaround that would be…

by FSUjab on Sep 22, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not so sure about...

having Oregon in there either. They got beat down by Boise St and yes, they beat Utah but they really haven’ played anyone for their ranking(AP).

Still interesting concept.

by KnoxNole on Sep 22, 2009 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd sub out the Gamecocks with BYU ...

throw Iowa (best win is Zona) lower and move Mizzou (beat Illinois on the road) up a bit.

by hopnole23 on Sep 22, 2009 3:16 PM EDT reply actions  

I live too close to the Gamecocks ...

and have seen them play, they don’t impress me. They always play Georgia close, and this is the worst Bulldogs squad in years.

by hopnole23 on Sep 22, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

The gamecocks are so so

They played a bad game with NCST and lost to UGA close. This team has no idenity. One game there Def is rock hard the next there Offense is good w/ no Def.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Sep 22, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is the most logical method to rank teams that ive seen

even though I dont 100% agree, its really close and i havent seen half these teams play.

Frankly I dont think Iowa, Oregon, or Washington are any good at all. We’ll see because your criteria are so straightforward, its tough to argue.

Washington’s HC did an outstanding job prepping his team. USC’s coach did a bad job prepping his, I think.

I dont have much confidence in the success of the big ten this year.

by NorthernHaze on Sep 22, 2009 3:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I love some aspects of this poll.

I appreciate that you have Cincy so high. The Rutgers blow-out was impressive and then traveling across the country to beat Oregon State justifies them ranked being so high.They Play a multi-directional FCS school, but also put 70 points on them.

I feel like I am picking hairs here, but I would swap Notre Dame and Ohio St. Notre Dame barely lost to a Michigan team that is as good as it has been in years even after allowing a dominant performance by Forcier.

Notre Dame also beat Michigan State…another BCS team. Ohio State hasn’t beaten a team from a BCS conference yet. I would argue that a shutout win against Nevada is more impressive than a shutout win against Toledo. Yes they outplayed USC for the majority of 3 quarters, but that win is less impressive after USC’s showing against Washington (granted they didn’t have Barkley).

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Sep 22, 2009 4:04 PM EDT reply actions  

"Splitting" hair.

I feel like a foreigner confusing our dumb phrases.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Sep 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also I am surprised you have Houston

so high.

Yes they beat OKSt., but their only other win came against a win-less FCS team.

Great job ranking them though. I always love these debates.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Sep 22, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

They dominated OKST

That was one of the most impressive games I’ve seen this year. Reminded me of Bama @ UGA last year. But your point about the 2nd win does make me hesitate.

by Bud Elliott on Sep 22, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn't able to see the OKSt game

so I’ll take your word for it. I just saw they ‘only’ beat them by 10 in what looked like a shootout from the box score.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Sep 22, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Miami

I’m guessing you are licking your lips at the line of miami / VT this week.

I unloaded on miami, also like GT this week almost as much

by Cee on Sep 22, 2009 5:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Good poll.

I’m with you on Miami and ‘Bama. I’d love to see the ‘Canes and Gators face off, but I don’t think they play this year.

I’m not convinced on Cinci, Cal and Boise, though. We’ll see.

by Drew J Jones on Sep 22, 2009 5:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Well I am convinced on what they have done to this point

but barring really wild stuff, they won’t be going much higher. Well Cal could, they are a good team.

by Bud Elliott on Sep 22, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cal's D is almost as impressive as their O

they have two of the best corners in the PAC 10. They just seem to produce high quality corners there i.e. Nnamdi Asomugha the best cover corner in the NFL.

by FSUPhi1584 on Sep 22, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Minnesota only scored 3 TD's

One of them was a wr pass to a qb. Also Cal plays zone so they might not have been the CB’s fault. Minnesota also has one very good receiver. Also their starting 3 DL are very very good.

by FSUPhi1584 on Sep 24, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

And don't get me wrong:

You’re a lot more knowledgeable on this stuff than I am. (Hell, I had no idea about what awful shape the ‘Noles program was in pre-Jimbo before reading back on your old posts. Gave me a whole new appreciation for an already-excellent blog.) I’d like to see teams’ schedules mixed up a bit more to give us a better feel for the whole situation.

by Drew J Jones on Sep 22, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why is a team like UF rated so highly? I would agree that they are likely the best team in the nation but you say you rank teams based on what they have done. Um, Charleston Southern (0-3), Troy (1-2), and UTenn(1-2). What have they done?

I’m not tyring to just pick on UF but I’m trying to understand the decision behind it.

by evenflow58 on Sep 22, 2009 5:59 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't count the Charleston Southern

but Troy was a very good Sunbelt team with some quality player and they blasted them worse than most teams do to 1-AA programs.

They didn’t try to run the score up, and put in their backups and continued to dominate Troy, 65-0.

Also, some inside info on Troy- they were missing both OT’s when they lost @ Bowling Green.

And the Tennessee game… I refer you to this…

http://sauriansagacity.blogspot.com/2009/09/mystified.html and

http://sauriansagacity.blogspot.com/2009/09/moral-victories-of-young-lane.html and

http://sauriansagacity.blogspot.com/2009/09/coach-lane-quittin-revisionist.html

in order.

by Bud Elliott on Sep 22, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kiffin

Was definately playing that game not to get blown out. Also, Crompton is so bad he would make Rix look like a genius! There’s a poster floating around on the net…Incrompitence, it wears #8. Good stuff ;)

by KnoxNole on Sep 23, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I completely expect Lane Kiffen to try and lose close this whole year, not just the UF game, but I question why teams like Michigan, LSU, and Boise State are ranked behind UF. Those teams have beaten teams you have ranked while UF’s best win is apparently Troy. I understand your point about Troy but it just doesn’t seem to add up to a good win. It’s probably just a case of difference of opinion either way.

by evenflow58 on Sep 23, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope I didn’t come off as being hard nosed about it. I was more trying to understand your reasoning than change it. Sorry if I came off harsh.

by evenflow58 on Sep 23, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's mind blowing.

Good stuff. I was buying into the Kiffin for coach of the year crap before reading that. Although I would argue that Crompton is pretty bad and I don’t know if I would trust the guy either.

by FSUjab on Sep 23, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

miami #1 um ya thats the right call.

Wash should mover up I think they are the best 1lost team because how they have played.
Cin, Mish, and SoCal should all drop about 2 spots each because I think they might be over rated. When Mish plays OSU and loses they will drop a lot and OSU lost to USC who lost to Wash who lost to LSU but close and Im not sold on LSU right yet. I think Wash is better than LSU.
Though UNC has a good Def. They havent played anyone yet. the should be 6-0 when we play them and could be a trap game on Thurs coming off GT for us. Bad gugu.
I realy like maima, bama, and Cal I dont think I can buy into the ND because I think there SOS sucks and the good teams they have are not as good as first thought. (USC)

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Sep 22, 2009 6:16 PM EDT reply actions  

You Lie!!!

NOW it’s a Road Warrior edition.

by MattDNole on Sep 22, 2009 7:40 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

the KISS of the WWF

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Sep 23, 2009 6:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Come on now, let's get the facts straight

MattDNole called them the Road Warriors – that makes them the NWA/WCW version of the team. In the WWF they were the Legion of Doom.

:)

by RishiM on Sep 26, 2009 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

not buying Auburn in top 25

3 home games & wins over 2 bad teams in La Tech & Miss St & an average WVU. WVU had over 500 yds tot off & 300 rushing & only lost b/c their QB made 4 of the poorest passes (in both execution & reads) that I’ve ever seen in the same game. I’ll take VT any day over Auburn

by sperrett on Sep 23, 2009 4:22 AM EDT reply actions  

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