The Conversation: Talking USF @ Florida State with TheBullsPen.com
This week's guest is TheBullsPen.com. It's a forum, and we've never had a Q&A with a forum before. After reaching out to some USF beat writers, and getting no response, we turned to these guys. Their response was very good. If you're a USF fan finding this on google, you need to get to TheBullsPen.com ans sign up. It's a nice community and they are pretty serious about their football.
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First up, USF's questions to us:
With FSU's revent struggles with mobile QBs how do you think they will deal with USF's type of spread where an athletic QB and his ability to hurt you running or passing is the centerpiece?
I don't think this FSU defense is any good. It's easily the worst in my lifetime (born '85). They rely on a lot of young kids, who mix great plays with boneheaded decisions. There are some encouraging signs, however. First, FSU has an excellent gun-run game, so the defense has now had an entire spring and fall camp to see this look. Second, the defensive interior is bigger, which should help. Third, FSU now has three legit linebackers, as compared to last season which saw FSU scramble and convert two safeties to the linebacker position to make up for some early entries to the NFL and some injuries.
If there is one unit on offense or defense that FSU must contain to beat USF , which would it be? What do you feel will FSU's biggest advantage will be on Saturday, biggest weakness? What are your 3 keys to victory, for both teams?
I'll try to profile this in Friday's preview (it's worth the wait, trust me), but FSU obviously can't just allow any unit to run wild. I'll say the contain game. USF RsFr. QB B.J. Daniels has a big arm, but he can be erratic and lacks touch, so FSU has to make him sit in the pocket and not allow him to scramble around.
FSU's biggest advantage, outside of home field, should be their offensive line. Staying in good down and distance will be key. I also think FSU has an advantage with their 3rd and 4th wideout against USF's 3rd and 4th corner. If USF is going to win this game, they must run the ball very well to get FSU into some more favorable coverages. To that end, USF's offensive line has to play well.
I'll discuss this more in-depth Friday, but USF must establish the run, find play calling balance (not try to do too much or too little as to be predictable), and must sell-out against the run. FSU just needs to run the ball, not try to do too much on offense, and not allow big special teams plays.
How do you stop George Selvie?
Selvie is a good pass rusher. FSU will block him with Sophomore Andrew Datko. Datko was a freshman All-American a season ago and has picked up where he left off. Over summer, I profiled the insane slate he'd face this season. Selvie had a great Sophomore year, but was a disappointment last season, probably because he was injured. Datko has excellent technique and I am not overly worried about this matchup because Selvie doesn't have much of a bull-rush move. Datko can handle a guy who tries to get around the corner every time. He's 6'6" 291, so occasionally he will struggle against an elite defensive end who has a strong bull-rush move to compliment the outside stuff. I also expect FSU to run right at Selvie, because he does not like to play the run from what I have seen.
For more of our responses, to answer a few of their questions, and to see TheBullsPen's excellent answers, continue reading!
I can't think of a more baffling team in the country right now than yours. They've yo-yoed up and down the first three weeks, and I don't think anyone expected them to torch BYU the way they did after their near-death experience with Jacksonville State. Which game that you've played so far, if any, represents the true 2009 Seminoles?
I recently told Andy Staples of SI: you can choose to judge their two games against ranked D1 competition, or you can choose to look at a game they played against Jax State under circumstances that many teams will face this season, just not as extreme as the Noles faced.
After three games, FSU is 118th against the pass in I-A - only UAB and Washington State have given up more yards. Is that an illusion, or are there issues in the back seven that haven't been addressed?
The issues in my mind are along the defensive line, which has played poorly. Considering what has been asked of them, I think the secondary has played okay. FSU has asked its guys to play straight man coverage for 5 or 6 seconds, and nobody can do that (though Patrick Robinson has played very well and pretty much locked down his side, as the top corner in the nation should do.) But you also have to consider who they played. MIami's dynamic offense, BYU's very impressive attack (which by the way, FSU did hold to only 21 points before the Noles pulled their starters). They also faced the top QB recruit in the country and the MVP of the SEC championship game in Ryan Perriloux for Jax State. There's not another team that has faced similar competition to date. There are issues, but that ranking isn't indicative of FSU's performance, because it doesn't adjust for competition level.
- I'm not going to lie, if USF were ever to replace one of the "Big 3" in Florida, many Bulls fans think FSU would be the one getting replaced. With Mickey Andrews saying he wants to retire at the end of the season, and Bowden looking more like a coach emeritus every year, how concerned are you about the long-term health of the program? How much faith does the average FSU fan have in Jimbo Fisher when Bobby finally retires?
I was very concerned in 2004-2007, but FSU has a stadium,, tradition, and now has a plan. They have to deal with one more year of this Bowden nonsense, but I don't think people realize all that goes in to making a program, particularly the booster base, stadium, recruiting, a conference, etc. I think USF has a shot to be the .5 in the Fla 3.5 Everyone inside the program and most knowledgeable outsiders will tell you that losing Andrews and Bowden represents an immeasurable upgrade. Jimbo Fisher saved Florida State at a time when most didn't realize how bad the program was internally, with a lot of behind the scenes stuff that I don't have enough space to describe. The improvements he's made, particularly in recruiting and organization structure, and the improvements he will make in this and next off-season will lay the groundwork for sustained play at the highest level. I understand that many don't think Miami would be replaced, but they don't have a stadium and rumor has it that their booster contributions are way, way down.
It seems like the light bulb clicked on inside Christian Ponder's head this offseason. What improvements has he made from last year to this year that have made him so effective?
I'm going to brag a bit here. Tomahawk Nation was probably the only site not to get on the "Ponder Sux11!!11!1" bangwagon a season ago. Now, we do have some coaches (not FSU's coaches, haha) who write for us, so that helps. We identified the problem of a year ago: the youngest offensive line in America (3 true freshmen, two sophomores), which while good at run blocking, was poor in pass protection. FSU had to scheme around their offensive line, and Fisher rightfully won the ACC offensive coordinator of the year award for delivering the top offense in the conference despite the line. In the off-season, we broke it down and wondered whether the offensive line would take that next leap. We said that they likely would. So far so good, as FSU has the best offensive line in the ACC and one of the best in the nation. Ponder looks like a completely new quarterback, the best FSU has had in a decade, and he'll be running the 2nd best offense USF has ever faced (the Oregon team in the Sun Bowl a few years ago was very special).
Are you more or less confident in slowing down USF's offense with B.J. Daniels under center than you would have been if Grothe were playing? Why?
Tough question. Over the summer, I wrote:
Matt Grothe has led the Bulls in rushing in each of the past three seasons. He's also a big risk taker who often struggles to read defenses, possibly because of his 5'11" stature. He's tossed up 42 picks over three years, while throwing 47 TD's. He's been consistent in his erratic nature, throwing 14 INT's each year. More troubling, however, for Bulls fans was the way he ended the Big East season: Against Louisville, Cincinnati, Rutgers, UConn, and WVU, Grothe threw 11 Interceptions and just three touchdowns, while being sacked 13 times.
There's more:
Matt Grothe Games QB Rating Yards/ Attempt TD INT All Games 13 136 7.7 18 14 v. Conference 7 119 7.1 7 12 v. Non-Conference 6 156 8.4 11 2 v. Winning 6 109 6.5 4 10 v. Non-Winning 7 162 8.8 14 4 4 TD 10 INT against Bowl teams? That's not impressive, and really, none of Grothe's passing numbers stand out. He is a dangerous runner, of course. And FSU has been ripped by teams utilizing the mobile quarterback over the past two seasons, particularly out of the shotgun, as USF does. In fact, Grothe had 117 rushes for 828 yards, which is 7.1 yards per carry. Simply put, Grothe is a playmaker with his legs. He runs the zone read play quite well and making him one-dimensional is a primary goal for any team facing USF.
If he stays healthy, Grothe will surpass Pat White for the conference record in Total Offense, but I have to wonder how much of that record is due solely to playing time? Almost any 4-year starter with mobility would have a shot at the record.
I didn't mean to jinx him, USF fans, honest. I'll split on this. If FSU shreds USF's defense like they did to Miami and BYU, then USF would be better off having Grothe, because I think he is less likely to have a completely embarrassing and career/program scaring meltdown than B.J. Daniels.
But if USF starts to volley with FSU, then I think USF fans should prefer Daniels, a kid with better physical tools, probably just making plays, and gaining confidence as the game goes on.
Many of us are also Bucs fans, and we'd like to thank you all for Derrick Brooks and Warrick Dunn, among others. Which current Noles do you think we'll all get to know on Sundays in the future? Offensive Tackles Andrew Datko and Zebrie Sanders will play in the league, as will Guard Rodney Hudson. Wide receivers Richard Goodman and Jarmon Fortson will get paid. On defense you'll see DT Jacobbi McDaniel, LB's Dekoda Watson and Nigel Bradham, and definitely CB Patrick Robinson (considered by many to be the top CB in the country).
Finally, here's a few our fans can answer:
- This may be the best-attended road game by USF fans that we've ever had - right up there with the time we took over FAU's little sandbox of a stadium. Any suggestions on what to do (and what not to do) in the parking lots and at the stadium? Maybe some things we wouldn't think of. We all know bad things would happen if someone tried to stop Renegade and Chief Osceola. Does it bother you that Gene Deckerhoff went to UF?
What are your feelings on playing against USF for the first time? What 5 places should USF fans make sure to visit while in Tally?
Now, Tomahawk Nation's questions to USF
In your honest opinion how much of a drop off or rise in play do you see with the redshirt freshman quarterback leading the offense? How much of the offense can he handle? How will this impact playcalling?
Jamie: I hate to say "I don't know" but... I don't know. We can go off of what we've seen in the two games Daniels has played in extensively so far (which were both against I-AA schools) and what everyone within the program says about him. He's faster than Grothe, he has a stronger arm, and everyone says he has the same competitive streak in him - which makes sense, since he played basketball last year in the toughest conference in America. But until you really throw him in the water and see if he can swim or not, you never know for sure. Even if the Bulls lose the game, it will be very encouraging if Daniels still plays well. Grothe won his first-ever road game at UCF, and nearly won his second one at Kansas (the year before they really took off - I was at that game and can still see the winning touchdown pass skimming off Ean Randolph's hands... what a bummer). It only took that long for us to figure out that he had something.
Mike Canales (our offensive coordinator) says they're not going to limit Daniels. I think we're interested in knowing whether Canales has limited himself in the first three games because he didn't want to give FSU a roadmap to stopping the offense. It seems like the offense has been opening up a bit since the Wofford game, but we have no idea how much of the playbook is available at this point.
Jim: While the style hasn't changed much, the offense was new this year even for Grothe. Daniels probably had more reps in the spring and camp cycles to protect Grothe from injuries. (Grothe hurt his hip pointer in Aug 08, so there was some concern). Coach Canales also said that preparation this week would not change.
Daniels is a taller, faster, stronger version of Matt Grothe. He doesn't have Matt's experience, and has not shown the same personality (back up QB's don't usually show the "moxie" when they are in the game for mop-up duty).
The real issue will be how quickly Daniels can adjust to the FSU speed. Sure, he sees a fast defense every day in practice - but practice speed isn't game speed. If he can adjust quickly, we'll be fine.
Data: Really, I don't know. In terms of pure physical talent, Daniels is better. He seems to be very calm and confident in the pocket. Overall, I'd say our big play ability is a little higher. Daniels can just make throws that Grothe wouldn't be able to. We'll have to see whether Daniels is nervous, or just makes mistakes seeing the field against the speed of FSU. I have a feeling the overall dropoff won't be much, but we won't know until Saturday.
Dan: I can't say I truly expect an actual rise yet, because we just don't know, and it's a hell of a game to have your first start in, but I don't expect alot of dropoff. I think BJ Daniels' skillset will help make up for a little bit of the dropoff, if there is any. And the team will be rallying around him and playing their hearts out for Grothe. I think he can handle the whole offense. Playcalling won't be much different, but I still think there are things that both QBs practiced that will be new to everyone, including us.
If you had to point to a place on the timeline of FSU football, where would USF be today?
Jamie: We're probably you guys around 1982. We've come a long way and there are a few skins on the wall, but people are wondering if we're legit or not. You guys won at Ohio State two straight years - we beat West Virginia two straight years when they were in the top 10. We're hoping that we're in a bit of a leveling off period while we wait for the next step up to true elite status.
Jim: It's a bit different. USF is in a conference, and a BCS conference at that. FSU for most of the rise to power was independent - which means USF can't follow the same path. However, I would put USF at about the 1980 FSU timeline.
Data: You'd have to help me out with the years. I would say we are somewhere around the Casey Weldon early years, or maybe a year or two before Weldon took over. The team is at the point where ending the season in the Top 25 should be a reasonable goal.
Does USF have the confidence/talent to play tight man coverage against our secondary, thus taking away the bubble screen? Also, do you think Daniels will be able to stretch our D by consistently hitting the intermediate routes? What kind of designed runs do you anticipate against FSU?
Jim: Joe Tresey is a good DC, and will likely mix up the coverage -- switching from man to zone. USF played mostly a soft zone (like a cover-2 or cover-3) during the first three games. However, the CBs have the speed to keep up with the WR's... and safety Nate Allen is a ball hawk (and potential 2nd-rounder).
Daniels has an accurate and strong arm. If Bogan, Love, Mitchell, and the rest of our WRs can get behind the FSU secondary - then Daniels can hit them.
USF runs a modified spread-option, where the QB decides at the last minute to hand off or run based on the crashing DE (this is the zone-read). USF also has specific plays with a QB run (not just QB draws). Those are probably the most unique running plays. USF has more traditional counter, off-tackle, sweep and up-the-gut runs. I would also expect an end-around or even a reverse.
Data: I'm confused by the first question. If the question is - Do we have the confidence to man against your WRs? Probably. But we have new Defensive D-Coordinators. In past years we definitely would have left our DBacks on an island and put lots of pressure on the backs. We have one NFL quality CB in Jerome Murphy, and some young guys on the other side that seem to be very good but haven't proven it on the field (Q Washington, George Baker, Kayvon Webster). Currently, when we go with a nickel package we'll see two of the three young corners instead of another safety.
Daniels has shown the ability to hit guys in stride 40 yards down the field. From a passing perspective, I expect you'll see us run the same kind of deep passing game that Miami had success with. But we'll also run a lot more 4 and 5 wides, and try spread the field to hit the 10-15 yard pass. We'll run at least 8 different receivers through the game, probably more like 10. The running game hasn't settled on a running back. I think you'll see steady but solid Mo Plancher run your basic off tackle stuff, powerful and speedy Mike Ford pound it up the middle, and lightning quick Lindsey Lamar try to run outside and catch some screen passes. Most of our running is out of the spread, but in short yardage we'll bring in two or three TEs.
Dan: Unsure about the man coverage. Our receivers are pretty big and athletic, and they play as well as they can. Daniels has smarts and I noticed he knows how to take some heat off the ball to fit the ball in the short routes, and still knows how to bomb it with surprisingly great accuracy. Not sure what Canales has up his sleeve for runs, but we are getting more and more stable at RB so I'm sure there will be some interesting things to see.
This weekend, how will your fanbase adapt to a stadium that does not serve alcohol?
Jamie Have you ever been to a game in Tampa and seen the beer prices? Our stadium basically doesn't serve alcohol either. The hardest part for the drinkers is going to be the noon kickoff. The default kickoff time at our home games is 7:00pm, and there's always a lot of kvetching when a game is moved to 12:00pm for the Big East Game of the Week slot because there's just not enough time to get a good buzz on in the parking lot.
Jim: The same way yours does. Drinking in the lot and sneaking some in.
Dan: I could be mistaken but I don't think UCF's stadium served alcohol either (even though it's a wet campus). It'll be just fine, just means people will remember more of the game, and your city will make alot more money off booze sales on Fri night and Sat morning.
Is it possible for the Bulls to have a moral victory? If USF is able to compete with Florida State and keep the game close, can it be considered a step forward for the program?
Jamie: No. Moral victories are for UCF.
Jim: Moral victories are for UCiF. (Named because "if this" or "if that" they would win...) If USF keeps it close and loses, that is a loss. Many fans not only think we can win, but almost expect it. Much like FSU fans thought about Miami on opening weekend.
Data: I don't think there would be terrible disappointment with a close loss. But only a victory would be considered a step forward. This team has already won bigger road games in the recent past against (at Auburn, at West Virginia when they were considered a NC contender). From a recruiting perspective a win over FSU would be huge. From a "We have arrived" perspective, I don't think a win at FSU would top Auburn unless FSU was undeafeated late in the year.
Dan: A moral victory would be winning on a FG or by less than 6 points. A real 'we-have-arrived' victory will be a double digit 'in-your-face' beating.
From a fan's perspective and the program's perspective, which game is more important to the Bulls, FSU or UM?
Jamie: For the fans, I think we're happy if we win one out of the two games this year, just to have that first "Big 3" win under our belt. But for the program, I think this one is more important. This goes back to the question I suggested about how many Bulls fans think FSU is most vulnerable to falling out of the "Big 3" in Florida. Miami is always going to get talent from their own back yard. Florida has national recruiting cachet and can get almost anyone they want. And USF is doing an increasingly good job retaining the talent in Tampa Bay. If the state can't support four BCS conference teams at a high level (note: we don't know this for sure yet) and one school has to take another's place, then FSU seems like the one USF would replace if they could get there. Part of that replacement process includes beating them on the field.
Jim: FSU is more important because we have four more games against UM and only one against FSU. And this is our only scheduled visit to Doak.
Data: About the same. If we go 1-1, I think we'll be happy. The two teams seem very close in talent, and we get UM at home. So I guess that would make the Miami game slightly more important. But a win over FSU would mean the Miami game is less important. If that makes sense.
Dan: They're about 50/50. UM is more important to win, because they beat us last time, and we should win at home. It's too early to know if FSU will be great this year with the rest of their schedule, and we'll know when we face UM how good they truly are. Winning at either will surely help in some way or another.
Vegas is giving USF about a 13% chance of winning this contest. What percent chance do you give yourselves winning this game?
Jamie: Before Grothe got hurt I would have said around 40%. Now I'm down around 25%. But that's about the chance I gave USF to win at Auburn, and we know how that worked out.
Jim: 50-50. Honestly.
Data: My head is telling me about 25% after the Grothe injury. But Daniels is sending out really good vibes. I know BYU is supposed to be good, but they turned the ball over a lot and our speed on defense is a lot better than theirs. My gut is telling me this team is better than the last two years, and has a greater sense of purpose. I'll go 60%.
Dan: With Grothe, I think we had a 50/50 shot at winning. With BJ, I think it may be 40-45%. Know this. This team is ready. We still have a great defense and we have a solid O-line, and our QB isn't a scrub. And we seem to have a legit kicker (you guys know ALL about that wide-right stuff ) Expect everything from us, it's only Wednesday and I bet the team is already on fire tired of hearing all the weak arguments and cheap shots being taken at them because they lost one guy.
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seriously, I see the connection but don't think Waylon is the answer to "need more youtube" LOL
Yeah, right!
I appreciated their answers
Especially about the zone read / crashing DE playcall. Boston College ate us up last year on the final drive with that play. I really think that you take advantage of FSU’s porous defense by hitting intermediate (+10) yard routes, knowing you’ll have all day to throw if you’re facing a 4 man rush. But that is a legit skill reading downfield defenses, and I question just how much of this type of vision Daniels has as a RS freshman.
This is good stuff.
I am looking forward to seeing the full preview. It will be interesting to find out if the new offensive line is playing better than expected this year for USF. If not, maybe (and that is still a big maybe) the FSU D-line will actually look like they are useful. Pressure with four could be very bad for Daniels, even with his mobility. That would make me sooooo happy.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
Re-assessing my percentages
Here are my % chances of winning from the preseason:
My Picks
Miami – 60%
Jax St – 90%
BYU – 85%
USF – 70%
BC – 80%
GT – 50%
UNC – 70%
Clemson – 55%
Wake – 70%
Maryland – 90%
Florida – 20%
USF clocked in at 70%. Now starting QB Matt Groethe is out.. This probability has to increase. Here’s my new picks for the remainder:
USF – 85%
BC – 75%
GT – 50%
UNC – 60%
Clemson – 50%
Wake – 70%
Maryland – 95%
Florida – 30%
Judging from what we’ve seen from UF against UT, I think we may have a better shot winning this game than I originally thought.
Maryland is probably a 99% now.
I think GT would be a 65% now considering Nesbit hasn’t developed a passing game.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
Agreed
I hate to say it but I can see us going into the GT game high on our horses after 2 big wins against USF and BC being overly confident. I’m just afraid of the big plays against our D that is shaky at best.
I think you’re right though, the way Miami destroyed GT our chances should be > 50%.
And yet that is only good for 5 more wins...
unless I did it wrong.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
by onebarrelrum on Sep 23, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
5.15...you got it
Do I look like a cat to you, boy? Am I jumpin' around all nimbly-bimbly from tree to tree? Am I drinking milk from a saucer? DO YOU SEE ME EATING MICE? You stop laughing right meow!
But...
I’m pretty sure he left out a game. Thats only 8 games, and I think we have 9 left. NCST?
by Mr. Tito Carlos on Sep 23, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Good catch
Yeah, NCST is missing. Depending on the percentage, that would probably push it up to around 6. So an 8 win regular season? That’s about what everyone was getting in preseason.
Do I look like a cat to you, boy? Am I jumpin' around all nimbly-bimbly from tree to tree? Am I drinking milk from a saucer? DO YOU SEE ME EATING MICE? You stop laughing right meow!
sweetness.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
by onebarrelrum on Sep 24, 2009 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions
For as much as they hate UCF
I am not sure why they pulled out of the series.
The Citrus Bowl did serve alcohol. Bright House Networks Stadium does not, however you guys wouldn’t know that since you have never played UCF there.
For absolutely no reason I have a disdain for USF. Outside of UM and UF (which weren’t happening this year) I hope FSU runs the score up on them to put them in their respective place. I know TN doesn’t typically like unfounded hatred for another team, but I can’t help myself.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
But they did have some good answers and I liked the round-table discussion.
This is nothing personal to any of their fans.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
Lol.
For me it is kinda personal. An obnoxious Ex-GF of mine (that graduated from USF) was gloating all over the place to me after Miami beat us saying things like, “GO CANES,” etc. etc.
When we put the hurt on the Bulls I will be able to return the favor.
See, this rooting for other teams with whom you have no connection is a sign that your program ain't nothing.
I generally have nothing against USF or their fans
but I take exception to the notion that we could be “knocked out” of the Big 3 in the state. If USF takes the steps to truly become an elite program year in and year out, I would have no problem welcoming them into the Big 4 or Big 3.5 but they’ll never supplant us.
As far as places Bulls fans should visit in tally, I can think of 2 right off the top of my head
1. Bullwinkles on Friday night, if their livers are up to the challenge of $10 All You Can Drink Top Shelf (this has to be the best drink special in the country)
2. Barnaby’s Pizza on Apalachee. I recently relocated from Tally to NYC and the best pizza in the city has nothing on Barnaby’s.
by ArsonistSavior on Sep 23, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I was always partial to Momo's
mmmmm…Momo’s
Do I look like a cat to you, boy? Am I jumpin' around all nimbly-bimbly from tree to tree? Am I drinking milk from a saucer? DO YOU SEE ME EATING MICE? You stop laughing right meow!
Three Guys and brooklyn too
There are multiple good pizza places in Tally, it just depends on which one you’re in the mood for.
by nolesblogger on Sep 23, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
You guys are completely jipping the pitaria
Not that anyone is going to be on Tenn street unless they are drinking, but the Piteria steak’n cheese pita…
I would walk down to Tallahassee for that.
Momo’s and Descent Pizza are owned by the same guys, though descent tends to make their crust a little thicker and crispier…
I was still bigger on Momo’s myself
Dang
You guys are making me miss Tallahassee! I’m so glad I am coming home for this game! Just wish it wasn’t a noon-game.
Gumby's Pizza
From my freshmen year (2003) was the best! Especially after a night of dorm-drinkin’.
I feel like it went down hill in my grad school years though.
That was my freshman year too!
Remember when ESPn and MTV and all that was on campus? freakin awesome…
Or when bone thugs did f’ the police right in front of the police brigade…
sigh good times
Brings back a tear
I probably could go on and on about those years…
This is just sad… I need to go enroll again…get a masters or something
I'm a little moist over here too.
That’s what I did. Grad school = 2 more football seasons in Tallahassee.
Jealous
the 03-07 years were just a crap storm.
Can't believe I'm saying this
but I was lucky apparently. I was there for the “Rix Era.” Woohoo
Do I look like a cat to you, boy? Am I jumpin' around all nimbly-bimbly from tree to tree? Am I drinking milk from a saucer? DO YOU SEE ME EATING MICE? You stop laughing right meow!
I stayed for eveygame my senior year
I had to sit next to the parents of a friend who was on the Wake Forrest team.
I have never knowed what it felt like to be humiliated by something I hadn’t done before that night.
knowed=known
My grammar gets crappier and crappier
lol
Rix was good for 1 throw in 1 game (against UF in the swamp in 03, for the win). Other than that his career was a distaster. Thanks again Jeff.
I was at that game
As loud as the swamp can get, that stadium went SILENT while that ball hung in the air.
I was there too
Other than that watching Rix was like WTF is he doing and… why does he have the world’s longest release and bleh…it was just bleh
I was in the UF alumni section.
It was awesome. I was dancing around like a monkey and they all looked like they had been pimped slapped. Sweet.
same here
Do I look like a cat to you, boy? Am I jumpin' around all nimbly-bimbly from tree to tree? Am I drinking milk from a saucer? DO YOU SEE ME EATING MICE? You stop laughing right meow!
as a student that is
Do I look like a cat to you, boy? Am I jumpin' around all nimbly-bimbly from tree to tree? Am I drinking milk from a saucer? DO YOU SEE ME EATING MICE? You stop laughing right meow!
If Zook had not already been fired he would have punted on fourth down late in the game.
As he was already halfway out of hogtown he goes for it around his 35 or 40 yard line and the rest is history.
Decent?
Well I never had Barnaby’s so maybe they’re better. But Momo’s definitely beat out 3guys or 5guys or whatever that place is on Tennessee, to me.
Do I look like a cat to you, boy? Am I jumpin' around all nimbly-bimbly from tree to tree? Am I drinking milk from a saucer? DO YOU SEE ME EATING MICE? You stop laughing right meow!
Its on Monroe st
Also, when you are over there… Go over by lake ella by the vietnam helicopter… they have a great coffee house to go study and chill…i like it better than all saints when im not doing an all nighter
The one I am referring to
Is not the Black Dog.
There is another one that is Military themed. Its name has to do with being a retired airforce vet or something. Like American Legion…bah… I can’t remember.
Anyway, this place is much more low key than the Black Dog.
Its still $10?
Thats awesome. In DC you have to pay $20 and then $1 well and Miller lite…
Lame…
I used to just load up on the coke ’n whiskeys…fun times that was
Oh now you've got me started
When everyone is drunk…
Can’t forget the Gut Box over @ Guthries or Hip Hop chicken… that stuff is actually good…
Chubby’s Chicken (see a theme?)…after midnight (or 2am?) its a dollar off… their chicken boxes are awesome… i tend to just take all the stuff in it and mix it up into a nice fried mess…so good
Whataburger… Always good…located near the more raunchy night spots of Tally
…and the tangent stopped…lol
Guthries!!
lmao, that place is legendary! Got cops turning people away from the street. They could run a DUI check point right there and set some type of arrest record!
Do I look like a cat to you, boy? Am I jumpin' around all nimbly-bimbly from tree to tree? Am I drinking milk from a saucer? DO YOU SEE ME EATING MICE? You stop laughing right meow!
The reason its so good
Is because they never clean the fryers…Best place to go after AJs
That and their 10000 calorie "special sauce"
God only knows whats in that sauce….
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Clearly something special
it was funny how people would go apesh*t if they didn’t get their special sauce…
dont mess with a drunk guthries patron…they tend to also be violent and angry
HAHA...guilty
Well, I guess if those USF guys are reading, they just found out about alot of good spots. I would also add Pockets if you’re up for playing some pool.
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Only time this ever happened to me.
Our car was cut off by some FAMU co-eds that broke in line with their car at 2 a.m……AFTER the order intercom! They was hongry!
One of the first things you learn upon arriving on campus...
Guthries sauce will make all your pennies nice and shiny.
The Palace Saloon
is always fun on game day if you’re cruising around… i have vague memories of insanity (people dancing on the tarp-covered pool tables, throwing beer around, etc) 3 yrs ago after the uf game
Where is this barnaby's?
Only thing I know of is the barnaby’s inn on the parkway and they look like a diner.
Still looking for great great pizza in tally. Momo’s is ok…. but too much chewing for a large slice – and I got food poisoning the last time I went there. Went @ opening and got some bad peperonni I guess. 3 guys I love the garlic rolls more than the pizza…
that's the place, it's right next to la fiesta
it’s definitely not a diner, it’s a mainly a pizza place although they do serve other stuff. i can’t vouch for anything but the pizza since that’s all i’ve ever ordered, but should you try it i guarantee you won’t be disappointed. i’ve been going there since i was a kid
by ArsonistSavior on Sep 24, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
My favorite pizza in the world.
The “arcade” in the middle of the “restaurant” is a Super Fund site, but the pizza is unlike anything you’ll ever taste.
Alright you guys talked me into it!
I live like 7 mins away from the restaurant… so will try it this coming week and report back. Anything to recommend or will I just try the standard pepperonni?
USF at UCF
They did play in UCF’s new stadium a year or two ago. It was the last of the series. Even went to overtime. I still don’t understand the thinking behind canceling it. As far as costs, it’s cheap and it’s certainly better for SOS to play them rather than the 3 no names they had to start the year. And, going back on the costs thing, I’m sure they had to pay them quite a bit of money to come down and play. No sense at all. But, it is USF!
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Your right.
I thought they canceled the series two seasons ago. It was that long of a summer apparently
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
Them canceling that series, the reasons for it, and things that were said
are why I REALLY dislike them. I don’t even care about UCF but the way USF acted it was like all the sudden the were THE team in florida and UCF didn’t deserve to play them. All of the big 3 were willing to play UCF. Why not them? In truth, I think they were afraid. This still gets talked about alot here in Orlando, and I can’t blame them.
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i loved the line
Moral victories are for UCF.
I really think we should be above hating USF at this point. Just like everyone hates Duke in B-ball, but Duke saves their hatred for legitamate foes. Sorry for comparing us to Duke.
OH YEAAHH!
by TBfisherman on Sep 23, 2009 5:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Like I said...
It’s unfounded. I think its because I have family that work at UCF and a lot of friends that go there.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
hey first post. I’m Dan from some of the comments up there that got quoted. I enjoyed the back and forth, it’s actually nice to kinda have a friendly rivalry, and being this game is officially sold out, i hope this one and the one in 2012 is close so we can do more home and home series with you guys.
I’m not sure why we pulled out of the UCF series either. For as much as they have been down lately, they’re still a competitive team, and USF direly needs a rivalry, as we’re a bit out of place geographically with the rest of the Big East to get any sort of rivalry going (though WVU seems to be our match so far, and Rutgers is the thorn in our side [we’ll break that this year]). I guess I never got too into the huge hatred thing, but I know Grothe had some comments that really set off the UCF’ers and they particularly don’t like Leavitt since they feel he pulled the series due to being “uncompetitive”…which I can understand.
We DID play UCF in BH stadium last year. The erector-set stadium comments fly alot when mentioning them, but hey, it IS on campus, and it DOES get loud.
I grew up an FSU fan, and have several family that attended there. I attended UCF for a bit before transferring to USF, though I spend my time online or at the branch campus in Polk, so I don’t get the same vibes from the core of the students in Tampa.
I hear FSU people are great rivals to tailgate with and I’ve obviously been up there a few times so it’s a nice place. I hope the game is close, to at least justify the hype, the price, the heat, and the drive home. I have a feeling it will be a close one, and if we don’t win, just know we’ll be better in 2012 for sure (BJ will be a senior then if he’s still around).
by dan_from_lakeland on Sep 23, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't see any reason for cancelation
Even for uncompetitive. I mean it’s cheap for them to play. Sells a ton of tickets. And helps the OOC schedule when compared to what you guys have this year. There’s no reason. Anyway, hope you have a good time tailgating! Not at the game ; )
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i don’t either. 3 out of the 4 years, the game was decently close. the 3rd year was in 2007 when we eventually got ranked #2 and we really did humiliate them and held Kevin Smith of all people to like 80 yds rushing. like i said, i never got the huge hatred but i went to both schools, so maybe i’m just too nice. and it’s still alot better than playing 2 fcs schools.
wofford wasnt a bad team, they were ranked #7 in FCS last year, and i think everyone can have one cupcake, but the only reason we had charleston-southern was because Rutgers stole FIU from us (in the spring, how rude of them), and by then we had little choices to play anyone decent. not a huge boost to SoS, but better than what we have now.
sadly, unless UCF gets its act together and starts winning (i think o’leary is limiting their success, they should be able to recruit alot better and not play so conservatively), the only way we’ll play ucf again is if we’re either in dire need to schedule, or if leavitt is gone, and he’s gonna be our JoePa, I just don’t see him leaving, even if we become a great team consistently.
by dan_from_lakeland on Sep 23, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember that game when you destroyed them. I was very impressed. Especially what happened to Smith. I have to say about the scheduling though, there’s just no logic, to me, behind dropping UCF. For example, you said you guys had FIU and lost them at the last minute. But, is FIU really that much better? No, they play in the Sun Belt Conference. I don’t know, I think Leavitt’s being a little disingenuous. Ironically, if some things I’ve read are true, his hand might get forced and have to play UCF with them being invited to the Big East soon.
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I can answer the "why not UCF" question
I can think of several reasons.
1. t’s the same reason why if we (meaning USF) had asked you all for a game five years ago, you probably would have said no. We have very little to gain and a lot to lose by playing them right now. Not to mention that because the Big East has a few lower-level bowl games against C-USA right now, we may have to play them in one of those games anyway.
2. They hate us, and not in a healthy way. UCF’s program is almost 20 years older than ours, and I think they’re upset at. our… success? Luck? Preparation? Whatever you want to call it. The growth of our program from nothing to where it is now is something that’s never happened to anyone before, and may not happen again for a long, long time. It happened for us and not for them, and I guess I can’t blame them for being mad. I mean, two days after our 10th anniversary as a program was the Auburn game. On UCF football’s 10th anniversary, they were still in Division II, and the next day they celebrated by beating some school named Newberry.
And still, I think we might be able to live with it if it was a healthy rivalry. But it’s not. Aside from the 0-4 record on the field, UCF’s hatred of us is bordering on pathological. I mean, we have to go to West Virginia every two years and their fans are nuts, but from what I’ve heard last year’s trip to Orlando might have been the all-time worst. People getting hold of Grothe’s cell phone number and blowing it up with texts and voice mails, and fans yelling and screaming at ours and looking for fights in the parking lots, and the Knights playing borderline dirty and trying to start stuff after the whistle. I hate to think how they would have reacted if they had actually won one of those games.
There’s a reason we ran up 64 points on them in 2007 (and make no mistake, we were absolutely running up the score). They’re a good model for how we as USF fans should NOT act when we get to play you, Florida, or Miami.
I forgot to add
Miami is the replacement for UCF on our schedule. We have games each of the next five years with them (it’s a six-game series, and the game at the Orange Bowl in 2005 was considered the first one).
Our scheduling philosophy seems to be, if we’re going to have series with non-BCS teams (and we have to, because we can’t afford I-A payday games), they need to be 2-for-1. FAU and FIU have gone along with that. UCF has not. I think we’d make an exception if it was a high-caliber non-BCS team, like TCU or Utah or maybe even East Carolina, but UCF is not in that class.
poor reasons
The cell phone thing happens in pretty much every SEC rivalry and some of the ones in the Big 12. It may be a bit insane, but it is not that uncommon anymore. The first reason is delusional though. The only real differences between USF and UCF or FIU are the one season where USF rose to #2 before collapsing and the fact that the Big East was desperate and needed more teams. The difference in the amount of prestige between any of the Big 3 and the rest of the Florida schools is much more vast than the gap between any of the 2nd tier Florida schools.
I think the real reason USF walked away from the series is that they want a seat at the big table. If their games break wrong this year, which I am sure Vegas and most analysts think they will, then USF will be firmly stuck in the second tier for a while.
by osceolafan850 on Sep 23, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
You got it
That’s exactly it. The prestige. It’s mind blowing. To think that USF is on the level of the big 3 in prestige is amazing. There’s no comparison. Where do they come up with the thought that there’s alot to lose by playing it? You don’t have as much to lose as the big 3, that’s for sure. You might lose some pride and arrogance, but in the grand scheme of things, it won’t hurt your program. It can only help since you will have a real rival. I think what bothers me the most is them thinking they have the prestige of the big 3. Why do they?
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Even if USF were to win, that doesn't place them in the Big 3
Consistency.
by Bud Elliott on Sep 24, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
or maybe a national championship
Check that….a conference championship
check that….5 years in a row with a winning record
or a couple 10 win seasons?
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Not that it's even worth trying to convince you,
but Central Florida is something like 1-36 against BCS Opponents all-time, while SOUTH Florida was beating BCS teams when we were still in 1-AA.
Wanna tell me again how we’re only “that one season where USF rose to #2 before collapsing” away from UCF? I won’t be able to hear you over my laughter anyways. Its a ridiculous assertion, with all due respect.
My Response to Comments
(1) FSU is going to find out how bad the D really is. Daniels sounds like my favorite basketball player converted QB… so my guess is you are going to have to get inside of his 3 foot bubble to really make a play. But in any case HE WILL BE PLAYING ON INSTINCT and the only remedy for a talented instinctual athlete is a sound and disciplined defense.
(2) USF’s writing team seems to be very positive. I think that is what those FCS games do—boost moral before a big game. UF does it 95% of the time and they generally go into Tennessee with a fighting chance (and lately, a win). However, this year, it looked like Tennessee’s vetting by UCLA did them some good and UF wasn’t looking quite as sharp as compared to last year, when they had already played Hawai.
So the big question for USF is going to be…does it just need a moral boost to beat FSU, or does it need more competition against quality teams?
And my gut is telling me they aren’t there yet. I feel FSU is very motivated for this game and it will be a “run it right at em” sort of game, as USF defenses are much like FSU defenses—great laterally, TERRIBLE up the gut.
Can’t wait for the game! I did a semester @ USF and got to see them beat WV @ home my Junior year.
Still a nole though—through and through
I hate to say it guys but I think USF has somewhat of a preparation advantage.
Similar to what UM had against us Labor Day night. Tresey is a brand new defensive coordinator and a pretty good one at that (was at Cincinnati last year). Also, the Bulls haven’t had to open up their playbook much against the lowly competition they’ve faced.
On the flip side, maybe playing D-II teams makes you soft i.e. FSU last year.
These USF fans are some homers
They may very well win the game, we’ve proven we can lose to ANYBODY, but I don’t know where they get this confidence. Especially the dude who said USF is about at the Weldon Years when it comes to development and that they have a better than 50% chance of winning the game. LMFAO We’d been ranked preseason number 1 at least twice by Weldon’s second season.
I enjoyed the piece though.
Seriously? My comments were deleted?
What was inflammatory about them?
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
nevermind.
My browser was acting up. I apologize.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
Parking tip for Bulls fans.
Parking made cheap and simple. Park at the Cvic center $6 and round trip bus to and from Doak for $3 per person. (not sure if it has gone up) got my Booster parking pass this year.
They have a street shut down for nothing but the buses that run between Doak and the Civic cenetr, so time wise its not bad.
The alternative is the entrepreneurial parking lots closer to the stadium for $10-$15-$20-$25 They pack cars in like sardines there. It’s kinda scary if you have worry about door dings.
GAH typos *center “if you have worry about door dings”
by Renegade_NOL3 on Sep 23, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks
for the tips. I believe the USF alumni is setting up shop at the convention center, and I’ll be there, but i’m not paying for the huge buffet thing they’re having.
I’m coming up with 2 buddies who are not really even college fans, but one has a brother at FSU. I’m trying to get them to Bullwinkles, because top shelf booze and top shelf boobies are where it’s at!
by dan_from_lakeland on Sep 23, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Some Vehicle Tips
Getting there from Tampa
275→Veterans Memorial→Suncoast Parkway→19/27→27
DO NOT TAKE THE 75 WAY UNLESS U LIVE NEXT TO 75…
Look out for wonderful stops along the way such as Chiefland and Perry. Also, there is a hill on 19 that has a special place in my heart, as it is like the only hill have ever seen in Florida… it was about 2/3 home and 1/3 to tampa for me from st pete.
There is also a road you will pass called “follow your dreams”. I think its between chiefland and perry…If all goes well for FSU, you USF fans might just wanna take a gander down it :P
ANYWAY! Once you have arrived, there are two sides of campus that are essentially split by the capitol. YOU CANNOT DRIVE FROM ONE SIDE OF CAMPUS TO THE OTHER UNLESS SOMEONE WHACKED THE GATE ON CALL ST… which isn’t really a good option anyway…
So, essentially, you either need to take Tennessee street to Osceola to Pensacola (which will be blocked) OR
You go park off of Jackson bluff.. To get to Jackson bluff, however, you need to take the Gaines street option, where you make a left @ the capitol and then a right on to Gaines ST.
If any of this fails… I am not be held responsible :P
Loved this.
Thought the USF fans were great. However, my first WTF moment was the same as 38Noles. To Data, who said:
You’d have to help me out with the years. I would say we are somewhere around the Casey Weldon early years, or maybe a year or two before Weldon took over. The team is at the point where ending the season in the Top 25 should be a reasonable goal.
What date are you looking for specifically, the time period in which the ’Noles began their record 14-year streak of Top-5 finishes, in which Weldon saw starting action in years 4 and 5 (1990 and 1991), or the date your HMO will let Walgreens refill your Thorazine prescription?
As did others, I also found the “Moral victories are for UCF” rhetoric (repeated as if an anthem) worthy of the most earnest of "LOL"s. (USF fans: That means I genuinely laughed out loud. I suppose UCF fans would have just chuckled and typed LOL anyway.) Here’s the thing: I would think a fanbase would have less animosity for a team that it refuses to play. Then again, I know some grumpy old Gator fans. I understand that UCF’s not good enough to play you, but Wofford is? The more I type the less I respect you.
But I think the kicker for me with this other gem from Data:
From a “We have arrived” perspective, I don’t think a win at FSU would top Auburn unless FSU was undeafeated late in the year.
Yeah, that’s the Auburn team that started the 1997 season 1-2 and should have started 0-3. (Random, but did anyone happen to see the Tigers’ opener against K-State that year and watch the pained expressions on young Ron Prince’s face as his team personally emasculated him in the 4th quarter on national television?) So anyway, I should assume that’s the year Mississippi State raised the “We have arrived” banner as well? Wait a minute…. It was. Oh irony, I love you.
Anyway, like I said, I like these guys, but I don’t know if they were joking or if they were high, but there’s no question a win over FSU would be by far the biggest in its young program. And you know what, these guys might not know that. Because Uncensored made this point, and it’s dead on:
…I don’t think people realize all that goes in to making a program, particularly the booster base, stadium, recruiting, a conference, etc.
Excellent work, Unc. You make us proud everytime you represent us.
by TRMNole on Sep 23, 2009 8:18 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
*That famous USF triumph over Auburn...
…was in 2007, not 1997, obviously. When I ramble after hours, I try to check back and see if any of my thought process actually made it to the keyboard.
Dude, chill!
I didn’t realize our comments would be turned into a blog post, we were operating in a free flowing message board forum. The comments look a little different when taken in a different context.
I am obviously not a bleed Garnet and Gold FSU fan. When I said “Casey Weldon” years, that was my best recollection over a 30 year period. To expect me to know FSU history as well as you would be rather foolish, don’t you think? There was a period of time that FSU was in and out of the Top 25. That’s where we are right now, heading up. Our recruiting is better every year, and we’ve won 9 games two years running. To say the ACC is far better than the Big East is to ignore reality.
The question was whether USF fans would view a win over FSU as a “we’ve arrived” moment. No way. Let’s put it this way. When you beat Miami 30 years ago, did you consider that a better win than the first big upset on the road at Clemson? Of course not. The Clemson win was the big one. That’s what I’m saying. A win over FSU would be huge for recruiting. But, as a USF fan, the Auburn win was larger.
Really, how do you figure a win over an FSU team that is ranked for the first time in three years would be bigger than a win over a #2 ranked Auburn team? Do you guys think you are winning the National Championship this year?
The difference in perception here isn’t all about a bunch of overhyped USF fans. Personally, when I look at FSU I see a team that was incredibly talented 10 years ago. Now it is realistically a team struggling to make a bowl game every year. I love Ponder, and the FSU offense appears to be on the way back to where it was in the glory years. But there is still a ways to go. Meanwhile, the FSU defense hasn’t been exactly NC caliber in the first three games. For all the excitement about the win over BYU, your boys gave up 473 yards of offense to BYU. Not exactly a dominating performance.
If we were playing Florida, I’d give us a 5% chance to win. But until you guys prove otherwise (and you might over the next few weeks), you are still trying to prove that you can be a consistent Top 25 team. If you destroy us this weekend, I’ll be impressed. If we destroy you, I’ll be impressed with us.
This sounds bad, but it seems to me that you guys have inflated belief in your team, not us.
Good luck on Saturday!
This just shows you don't have a great idea about what your talking about.
A win over FSU would be huge for recruiting. But, as a USF fan, the Auburn win was larger.
Recruiting is maybe the most important aspect of being successful in college football. It doesn’t matter what plays you run or who your coach is, if you don’t have near the same talent as your opponent you won’t win. Obviously, the word “near” here isn’t really specific, but you should get my point.
Really, how do you figure a win over an FSU team that is ranked for the first time in three years would be bigger than a win over a #2 ranked Auburn team?
I’m not going to look up each week for the last three years, but we were ranked last year for more than one week. You can see that here.
When you beat Auburn they weren’t #2, they were 13/17 depending on the poll you look at. Seen here.
Personally, when I look at FSU I see a team that was incredibly talented 10 years ago. Now it is realistically a team struggling to make a bowl game every year.
Other than 06 (when we became bowl eligible in our 2nd to last game) and maybe 07 (when we became bowl eligible after our 9th game but finished up with 7 wins) can you say that we struggled to make a bowl game. In 06 we had a terrible offensive coaching staff, all of which are now gone. In 07 it was our 1st season with the new coaching staff, and though there was improvement, but you can’t expect drastic changes over night. Saying were " a team struggling to make a bowl game every year" is a bit of a stretch. Unless something really unexpected happens, I don’t think you can anticipate us struggling to become bowl eligible any time in the near future.
bq.This sounds bad, but it seems to me that you guys have inflated belief in your team, not us.
Not really. You haven’t been around here enough, but this is probably the FSU sports related site with the most realistic expectations and outlook on our football team that you can find on the internet. In fact, I expect us to win, but I don’t think we’ll cover the spread and I wouldn’t be shocked if we lost. I think you’ll have plenty of success against our defense and will limit our offense much more than BYU did (disregarding the weather expectations, I expect us to have around the same offensive output as the Miami game).
You guys claim that FSU would be the easiest team to surpass to join the “Big 3” of Florida. Whether that’s the case or not, any win over any of the “Big 3” would be the first time you could actually make a serious claim that you are now one of the “Big 3.” That would have a much more beneficial effect on your program than any win you’ve had to this point. Disregarding the occasional recruiting victory for you guys, Miami, UF, and FSU win the head-to-head recruiting battles with USF. A win for you guys could change that. This is why I thought it was a bad idea to schedule this game in the first place. If we win, most people will just say it was a game we were expected to win. If you guys win, it will be talked about as a game that may shake up the pecking order in Florida. That might not be fair to you guys, but that’s the reaction will happen.
by nolesblogger on Sep 24, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Not the easiest of the Big 3
You guys claim that FSU would be the easiest team to surpass to join the "Big 3" of Florida.
I don’t claim that. I think FSU is way ahead of Miami from an overall program standpoint. I don’t see FSU falling off the map, but I think Miami easily could. Miami doesn’t have nearly the money, facilities, or fan support that FSU does. They can’t afford to get anything other than first time head coaches. The only thing that saves Miami is that they have so much high school talent in their backyard. If FIU and FAU start to eat into that talent pool, Miami is in big trouble IMO.
Regarding the Auburn game, it was the first really big win on the road of national importance. That’s always the biggest. The West Virginia win the year before may have been more important, but West Viriginia didn’t have the national prestige that Auburn does. With all due respect to FSU, Auburn carries a lot more national prestige than FSU.
I’ve said over and over that a win over FSU would be huge for recruiting. That doesn’t make it the biggest win in history from a “putting on the map” perspective, which was the original question.
I think I understand what you’re going for, but Auburn does not have more national prestige than Florida State. Even right now, unbeaten Auburn is struggling to crack the rankings while 2-1 FSU is in both polls.
I think a win over Auburn could stick out more because they are an out of state team and that exposes USF to a different audience, perhaps people that were not very familiar with them before. But I think very few college football fans would say they are a more prestigious program right now.
"I'm not going to lie, if USF were ever to replace one of the "Big 3" in Florida, many Bulls fans think FSU would be the one getting replaced"
That’s a direct quote from one of the questions sent to FSUncensored. I never said you specifically. I said “you guys” as in your fan base. I was just relying on a statement that was made by whoever asked the questions. I think he would know more about the thoughts of USF fans than I would.
Regarding the Auburn game, it was the first really big win on the road of national importance. That’s always the biggest.
Just cause one win is the first doesn’t mean it’s the biggest. That’s like us saying that any of our road wins over a ranked opponent before we won at Michigan when they were #3 is bigger cause it happened first. The Michigan win may not even be our biggest win, but it clearly is bigger than most of our road wins that happened before it.
With all due respect to FSU, Auburn carries a lot more national prestige than FSU.
National Titles: FSU – 2 Auburn – 1 (but I’ll give them 2 for their undefeated team from 04)
Heisman Winners tied 2-2
All time winning percentage: FSU – .658 Auburn – .627
1st Rd. Draft picks: FSU – over 30 Auburn – 25
Auburn obviously has more total wins since they have about 40+ years of more history. When you consider that pretty much all of our success has come since the 80s that puts it into perspective over who has had more success recently. Auburn’s only official national title is from 1957. Also, FSU was deemed the team of the decade for the 90s. I think we have the more prestigious (better and more recognized) program right now, but I’ll call it a push so it won’t be a homer pick. Considering the locations of both schools in the same state, the potential to develop a rivalry with a nationally recognized team, the potential recruiting ramifications, and that no respected neutral party (that I’ve seen) has predicted you guys to win; this would easily be your biggest win.
That doesn’t make it the biggest win in history from a "putting on the map" perspective, which was the original question.
It depends on your definition of being “put on the map.” I would still say that USF isn’t on the map (not that they shouldn’t be). In my opinion, you can’t say you’re “on the map” until you’re name is nationally recognized and you can recruit outside of your state on a regular basis. Is USF a household name? Do people outside the state of Florida know who USF is? Do most kids even in the Southeast know who USF is? Are those kids interested in playing football for USF? I would say the answer to those questions in most cases is “No.” USF has only 7 players on it’s roster from outside of Florida, four from Georgia and one each from Alabama, New Jersey, and Arizona. (seen here) For comparison’s sake, FSU has over 30 kids from out of state. A win over FSU, probably wouldn’t accomplish all of those, but it would do a ton more to help.
by nolesblogger on Sep 25, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Auburn has more national prestige than FSU?
That’s probably the damn dumbest comment I have ever seen in my entire life.
Damn, DataBull.
Get punked on the internet much? Here I am reading through your comment, laughing and thinking, “This is gonna be easy,” and here my boys at TN have already roughed you up like Trent Pupello at a gun show. You won’t find many FSU homers at TN, but you’ll find more than a few serious football fans here. Go clean yourself up, kid. You didn’t know what you were up against.
Welcome to the Doak... Reduce your probability of a win by 15%
I’m new here though I’ve been reading FSU Uncensored (since the Weatherford report) and then Tomahawknation. Great work guys!
I went to FSU from ’98 – ’02 so I saw us at the pinnacle and sinking into the depths of the Rix/Jeff Bowden years from a front row seat. Ugh! I even saw Rix once when I was a senior as I was crossing the street to the FSU bookstore. He was a douche. I had no clue who he was when I was next to him on the street and my female friend was fawning over him. Had I known who he was I would have asked him if he had hit his head one too many times doing his crazy kamakazi helicopter dives into people that would have been happy to assist him with his suicidal tendencies (picture linebackers saying: I can be your Dr. Kevorkian, Rix). Anyhow, I digress.
I’ve watched our program slip into mediocrity and am elated that we may finally emerge from these dark ages again this year or next year at the latest and at least regain a little bit of the lost respect. Common Lee Corso, 3 touchdown underdogs to BYU (obviously, he doesn’t read this site)?!?!
I was in high school in the Tampa Bay area when USF’s football team began. Steve Riggs, who kicked at my high school (East Lake in northern Pinellas county) led USF in scoring that year. What I’m getting at is that when USF was in pampers (in 1997), FSU was playing for championships.
I’m glad for the USF fans, even though their school is a backwards (literally) FSU that they are so confident rolling into the Doak but I think that their (over)confidence is ill placed. It used to be that people expected a beat down when they arrived in Tallahassee, only it was theirs. I think that it is time for FSU to run up the score again. It seems to be all that gets respect these days unless you’re Ohio State or Notre Dame (then the “respect”, at least in the polls, is simply bestowed upon you).
I know FSU has lost the home field advantage in recent years (and this stupid white-out is not helping… will that erase the loss to the thugs down south)? Nope, but solid football played with a chip on our shoulder might get us a rematch in Tampa and a way to cure that! I hope we drop USF in a humiliating fashion and put other teams on notice… this offense is the real deal (and will only get better). Time to bring back the fear of the Doak!
Tomahawknation & Uncensored you guys are great !
Tomahawk and Uncensored , you guys are great ! … I love this site and enjoy reading your blogs… Your game insight each week is awesome and depth knowledge you exhibit is unparallel … for someone like who come from a country where football is soccer, it’s really helpful to know more about football.. I attended FSU between 2001-2003 and didn’t even know football until I started working in 2004.. but now I have become passionate Seminole football fan and read every blog or whatever comes my way about nole football… I wonder how missed such game when I was on campus… Anyway good job guys ! …
Between about USF B J Daniels Debut as Starter in this game, it reminds me of Christian Ponder when he took the field against VT in 2007 and almost made comeback.. I think BJ will play competitively and will make plays with his arms and legs and will keep the game close… He will make freshman mistakes ( trying to win by himself) if FSU scores early and take lead … FSU absolutely should not make mistakes like fumble, interception and bone headed penalties…. if we play clean game , I think we will come top ….
Go Noles,
I see my hometown of Chiefland getting the props for being a speed trap!!! LOL Although not as bad as it was it is still a place to make dang sure you stay w/in 5 of the posted limit.
IMO our D will get much better once Mincey comes back, they start McNeil, and they start playing the FR a bunch.
Ameica, Land of the free and home to the entitled.
Not as bad as
Stark or Waldo. I got pulled over all the time through there going to Ocala and Tampa when I was stationed at Ft. Stewart, GA.
by gonolesrolltide on Sep 24, 2009 5:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Speed traps are more easily associated with Chiefland than Mardi Gras is associated with New Orleans.
And our D can’t get any worse unless Mickey picks 5 random players to stand with their backs to the line of scrimmage each play.
Wait
until the first time they see the chop and hear that chant. That will be one of the overwhelming factors of this game. If you think it’s awesome on TV, wait until you see it live with 70,000+ die hard Nole fans giving it to you just as loud as they can.
I grew up less than a 1/2 mile from USF. The program kicked off the year I graduated high school. I’ve been paying attention to USF since they started and have always pulled for them just b/c it is a hometown school. But now they’re playing my Noles, who’ve I’ve been a fan of since I was 3 or 4 (I’m 30 now). Sorry USF, you’re assed out on this one!
1. You’re on the road, playing in Doak on Bowden’s field.
2. We have Christian Ponder and extremely talented offensive line, descent RBs, and good WR. I don’t think your defense will stop them (unless they shoot themselves in the foot like they did against J. St.)
3. We also have an awesome chant and chop they you will hear all game long and will be nerve wrecking by half time!
4. If you don’t think FSU is fired for this game, then you are sadly mistaken.
5. You have a RSFR QB, first time starter, coming to one of the toughest places to play.
FSU wins this one.
by gonolesrolltide on Sep 24, 2009 5:53 AM EDT reply actions
You guys are funny!
You act like USF plays in front of 5,000 fans every week. No, USF players won’t be overwhelmed in Tallahassee. Amazingly enough, USF has played in a lot of big stadiums against higher ranked teams. Tough place to play? Sure. Will USF players be hiding in the tunnel. Not hardly.
Who’s that SWFL? If he ain’t an import I’m sure I know him.
Ameica, Land of the free and home to the entitled.
Funniest thing
Is that they are confident when their defense has been getting run all over and only has 5 sacks against the week competition that they have been facing. What do they really think is going to happen on Saturday? The TOP in this game is going to be massive in our favor IMO.
Here we go again
You call us overconfident?
I take back everything I’ve posted thus far. Tell your players that we are going to be in awe. Tell them that we haven’t played before more than 8,000 fans. Tell them they don’t need to worry. I want an overconfident FSU team.
Data, this is just a special moment for us as FSU Fans
I honestly have NO IDEA what USF is going to look like against us.
But I do know that this is the first time in a long time @ FSU that we have been able to trust our players and team to give their best effort week in and week out.
The Miami game was hardly a defeat.
In the J-State game our team showed that even with a lack of preperation and a deflated spirit after a tough loss, they still have the resilience to pull out a win.
And the BYU game. Wow, what an offense we have.
So if we all suddenly sound like homers its because its the first time in a long time that we can relax and enjoy watching an FSU game. Enjoy it knowing that the coaches and players are putting everything into it that they have.
And with that knowledge, if you beat us it will hopefully be the hardest victory you have ever or will ever pull off.
Go NOLES
You seems like a reasonable person
When you put it like that, I can totally agree. We’ve played three creampuffs. We have a new QB. I have no idea how good we are. But I know we are far better than Duke.
I’m not saying we’ll definitely win. Odds are probably against us. I’m just thinking you guys shouldn’t expect to win by thirty.
Thanks
I know the Bulls have been great and I know the Bulls have had some games where they just look down right pathetic. (I went USF for a semester in my Junior year-06 WV slaughtering).
What USF has typically had in the past few years are some undersized guys who are extremely fast and determined with some big guys who are the real deal.
While the transition process from power hopeful to big time program has and will continue to be painful… Coach Levitt is laying the foundation quite nicely—the team has everything from a great stadium to play in, very nice Unis, AND a very determined, quality coaching staff. @ fsu, this has been very questionable…until this year..
So now we are finally learning what it means to defend our tradition, even after a period of mediocrity. The game is dangerous for both teams, but I applaud both squads for having the guts to schedule it.
"very nice Unis" WTF those aren't nice Unis, these are nice Unis

>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
I hope Daniels dosen't light us up ala Tyrod Taylor.
It seems like young, mobile qbs always find a way to light our d up.
I liked it.
The roundtable is good and the USF guys are well informed. Overconfident in their conclusions but not unfounded. This is a tough one for me personally. I grew up in Tampa. My dad was a USF grad and a rabid fan. He passed away three years ago and the last college game I went to was a 3OT USF win over TCU in Ft Worth 4 years back. I’m a FSU fan through and through but it would be really hard for me if USF got embarrassed.
Frankly I don’t think that will happen. USF has good athletes and Jim Leavett is a good if sometimes eccentric coach.
I take FSU 37-17.

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