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Some Observations; Remove Bobby Petition

Found this petition online

Fire/Remove Bobby Bowden

Anyway, I posted these thoughts here and there throughout the site, but I really felt it needs its own post because I feel that there are a lot of conflicting views here and we just need a spot to duke it out.

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(A) Christian Ponder was really banged up.

  He could barely move. When you have a quarterback who can barely move it means 2 things. (1) They are no threat to run--especially when the reason they can't run isn't because they are slow, but because they are slow AND hurt. (2) When handing the ball off from under center it is going to take the QB a few fractions of a second longer to get to the running back, this giving JUST enough time for the D-Line to penetrate your run blocking scheme.

 

Riddle me this...How many 1,000 yard backs were there who played with Dan Marino? Abdul-Karim al-Jabbar who rushed for 1116 yards in 1996 (yahoo answers). Do you know why he only had one? It was because Marino was too slow to hand the ball off to the RB.

 

(2) How can you judge a man who is not in charge?

  Often times in my working career I am asked to perform on projects where I act as the project lead. However, when it comes down to signing the contract I have no position of authority to do so-- I can only recommend. With this kind of atmosphere, I often have to leave very worthy potential candidates with their thumbs up their butt because the language I offered implied to them that they were going to get the contract. However, upon review by my superiors they often choose a different route, leaving me feeling like an awful human being and really wondering what my benefit to the company is.

  Do you feel that this situation relates to Jimbo Fisher? I, personally, do. He took a team that had zero offense to the best offense in the ACC in 2008 and now he has to take the next step without a supportive, attentive boss who has his agenda in line with the program.

 

(D) Depth is still an issue, and the coaches are not helping--mostly on defense.

  When playing extremely challenging schedules (as I very much support) you have to be 2 and 3 people deep @ each position. You either have to recruit the best players or train your players to be the best. Hopefully you can do both, however, one of these is a requirement to be a team that wins at-least 9 games a season.

(4) Jimbo's boys are frustrated; psychological issues are abundant with the team.

  Make sure to check your sideline shots of the offensive players. Something is not sitting well in their gut and they are feeling uncomfortable holding up the team. With that said, I personally think this experience should and will teach them how to be men. And with that said, if they man up and begin to perform consistently then I will feel more highly of Jimbo than I already do.

 

(G) Know how to separate performance from play calling. And then, think to yourself, "Who the heck wanted that play to be called."

  Fisher's play calling is not gimmicky. It isn't. He runs right at the defense and will use containment plays (QB runs, reverses and bubble screens) to keep the defense honest. If you see a gimmick... think to yourself, who is the gimmick master? I can tell you it isn't Fisher.

  But back to performance. Holding, fumbling and dropping passes are not a part of play calling. Now, mental toughness is a part of doing these things, but these things only hurt your ability to implement your game strategy.

 

It, hopefully, is the end of the FSU Football World as we know it. And I would feel finer if Bobby were to remove himself politely. I trust Jimbo and I think the university, besides their neglect at removing Bowden, really wants this program moving in the right direction.

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Jimbo also makes in-game adjustments pretty quickly

Our passing game pretty quickly because short passes and short routes due to really shoddy OL play. He is very aware of how the players on each unit are performing and playcalls accordingly to how their game performance is pretty quickly

My buddy was pointing out all the OL we were subbing in too. Could’ve sworn Greenlee was still injured, but they sent him out there anyway because of how inefficient Zebrie and company was.

by pillsburysoldier on Sep 28, 2009 2:04 PM EDT reply actions  

my inside sources say

The pro-bobby supporters in the boosters are still to strong. They blame JSU and USF on the offenses and “are afraid for when Bobby leaves because we will be even worse under Jimbo”

by B-rod24 on Sep 28, 2009 6:02 PM EDT reply actions  

If what people say out here is true, it must be a bad working environment or at least strange. Some coaches know they will be gone in a year or two tops. Others supposedly don’t like each other.

by Jaguar on Sep 28, 2009 9:46 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't think it is a good one....

Bobby is about Bobby and about getting friends and family hired. He has NOT given up on that dream and Jimbo is standing in the way of it.

Bobby has no desire to see Jimbo take over or even begin to take over. He is holding on to power like his life depends on it.

How do you think that relationship is now?

by noles55 on Sep 29, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lets see.

Its like the WWE. (the back stage stuff) HHH and HBK run things on raw Taker runs things on SD. They hate each other but try to do there job for the best of the WWE as a whole. MA is taker and Jimbo and trickett are DX. Can they work together sure because they have too dont mean they like eachother. I dont think there is a coach on FSU that wants us to lose. I just hope we can come out the season with something to work with. We cant aford to lose to many recruits. that could set us back some.

Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry

by Desman on Sep 29, 2009 7:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

FSU recruiting is done.....

no way around that.

Only think that could fix it (and it would take a year IMHO at least) is a whole new staff.

by noles55 on Sep 29, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Start warming up the band....

I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.

Elayne Boosler

by NaGaNole on Sep 30, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Chuck is the Diva.

Smart. Sexy. Powerful.™ (And fabulous.)

by TRMNole on Oct 1, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Easy....

Chuck it a world class Ahole, total jerk, only cares about himself, doing all he can to hurt FSU right now, eqo tripping, doing even more to do all he can to hurt Jimbo, UNHIRABLE ANYWHERE….so he can’t leave…he has nowhere to go, can’t recruit, and Bobby doesn’t see ANY of it.

by noles55 on Oct 1, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wanted to throw up

Every time I saw an “I love Bobby” sticker this weekend. It’s ashame to have come to this, but everyone needs to sign this petition.

by MKE Nole on Sep 29, 2009 9:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Throw things at these people

let it be known that TomahawkNation does not ACTUALLY support throwing things at people

Even if I think it is funny.

by SWFLNole. on Sep 29, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rec this people

So it stays pinned and more people see it.

Let’s shoot for > 50,000.

by MKE Nole on Sep 29, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Online petitions are worthless. They are easy to ignore.

by Jaguar on Sep 29, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Online Petitions

Generate Media Hype

I am going to continue this effort. I may start a facebook group if there is not already one.

I want as much hype to go into this as possible. I want there to be no place Bobby can go without hearing about what a a devious, low-down and dirty scoundrel he has become.

I apologize to the players in advanced, but its time to remove this disease.

by Trus1te on Sep 29, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

New poster & my 2 cents

Long time reader, first time poster.
A lot of big time boosters are very upset with the defensive side of the ball. More specifically the secondary.
I get the feeling more than you think are ready to move forward and make changes on the defensive side of the ball.
Jimbo, on the other hand is still a mixed bag, especially after Saturday (play calling).
I think there are a lot of reservations with letting him run the show.
When Jimbo takes over there will be so much pressure on him to win right away.
He may not have enough time to develop talent (recruits/coaches) to meet his plans.
He will have to hit the ground running to stay out of the hot seat.
Which may require bringing in established names on both sides of the ball, even if they aren’t his first choice?

by nolefan22 on Sep 29, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd say give him the keys

Interupting someones vision with unnecessary flags is just going to cloud the program further.

Give him the keys to the car for 5 years and see what happens. Do a 3 year eval

I would put money that the program begins to turn into something great.

by Trus1te on Sep 29, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jimbo's been pressured to win right away since he got here

Since he became head coach in waiting, I think he has unfairly been taking heat like he is indeed the head coach; hell he’s having to deal with much more crap with one arm tied behind his back.

If anything at all he will have less pressure on him when he becomes the real head coach because he can hire his own staff that he is comfortable with and trusts, a cohesive staff with everyone on the same page, not this new school O staff and old school D staff who probably has some ill feeling towards the new school guys, and a head coach who’s clueless.

by karmanole on Sep 30, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

I agree, but I don’t think he will be given the time needed to right the ship. I personally think he is the man for the job, but when he gets his chance, he will have a very short rope, and that SUCKS!

by nolefan22 on Sep 29, 2009 1:42 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Jimbo should of been smarter frankly...

I like him, but he allowed himself to be put in a bad position (just like Mickey). Honestly, I told friends 3 years ago…….he better make SURE he has power or Bobby will ruin his career as well.

Frankly, I though Jimbo was smarter than this……I guess he wasn’t.

by noles55 on Sep 29, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

At this point I'm for Starting from scratch if that's what it takes.

Provided we make a good hire.

I agree Jimbo is the guy…but anything has to be better than this misguided stuff.

Yeah, right!

by truecolors on Sep 30, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Bobby cared about winning, and still insisted on staying

he would clean house himself after this year…I mean, he would have cleaned house last year and given Jimbo the power to hire whoever he wants.

by jasonole59 on Sep 29, 2009 3:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Bobby is interested in money and power....

He does NOT want to give up the power of hire and fire to Jimbo….and he wont’

He knows FSU is losing boosters and fans and despite that…and 7 wins seasons, he asked for an $800K pay increase just 3 years ago and got it. And believe me…..he won’t walk away from FSU until he gets to back up the brinks truck and take FSU for every dime it has left from this.

Bobby is going to suck this one dry and make us say thank you for it. Pucker up butter cup.

by noles55 on Sep 29, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

A petition won't mean a thing

However, an empty Doak Campbell Stadium and hiding your checkbooks from the Boosters…..

by robrrt on Sep 29, 2009 10:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Best offense in ACC

in 2008….isn’t that a bit skewed by the first two games? How did the O perform without those first two games?

by nole2112 on Sep 29, 2009 10:54 PM EDT reply actions  

first two games werent acc games, durrrrrrrr so no

If you build it, they will come.

MORE FOOTBALL INFORMATION, NOW!!!!!! BRAIN IS HUNGRY!!!!!

by stevegrizzle on Sep 30, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not to ask what

might be a stupid question…but, does that mean that the status of best offense in the ACC ONLY reflects games played against conference opponents? Or does it include all season games?

by nole2112 on Sep 30, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

FYI link delayed maybe just me but i think the golf-cart clowns are onto us.

guys in visors and perscription oakley’s just invaded the servers local!!!

Yeah, right!

by truecolors on Sep 30, 2009 1:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I just posted the link on my facebook

and I can guarantee I will get a dozen comments saying “wtf is wrong with you” etc etc.

Get the word out.

by basbalstr101 on Sep 30, 2009 2:26 PM EDT reply actions  

I've had it up for a few days

Started an interesting discussion… Some girl was like “I love Bobby, he can stay as long as he wants”

I’m trying not to make a bad husband/father analogy here, but I think its pretty clear he has lost interest in his university and the players.

by Trus1te on Sep 30, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it really that sad?

Jesus… respect for someone is sad? people attending the game to celebrate FSU and their love for the school and team should cheer and clap for whomever they want. I read these posts and just shake my head. Depends jokes and all that clever stuff is just too much for me to compete with. I think if you poll 100,000 people who haves ties to FSU you would get 75% or more (frankly, lots more) responses that favor Bobby Bowden. Losing is a bitch. Saturday was crappy, I was there and was as disappointed as any in the crowd, but I honestly think too much blame is being placed where it’s easy to do… it’s the old man’s fault. UGH!

by wolffbird7 on Sep 30, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed it is the old man's fault

We would love to hear you explain to us why it is not. Seriously, your opinion is welcome.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Sep 30, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly,

Respect from the ignorant means nothing.

by planeswalker39 on Oct 1, 2009 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea
but I honestly think too much blame is being placed where it’s easy to do… it’s the old man’s fault.

Yeah, how dare people blame the head coach for a constant drop into mediocrity. I mean he is only the person that is supposed to be in charge of everything right? It should always be the offensive coordinator’s fault and we should just shuffle those guys in and out while keeping Bowden. The constant during all this sucking, Bowden, shouldn’t possibly be blamed or removed.

by osceolafan850 on Oct 1, 2009 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Depends jokes and all that clever stuff is just too much for me to compete with."

Thanks for the disclaimer. Even when we set the bar low, I guess some folks have a hard time stepping over. Next.

by TRMNole on Oct 1, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I respect the man for what he has done for this program

but I will not continue to feed his ego by cheering louder for someone who had done nothing for the program except let it slip into mediocrity.

by basbalstr101 on Oct 1, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Respect for the school...

doesn’t equal worshiping Bobby.

In fact, too many worship Bobby instead of love FSU.

It is laughable to say Bobby isn’t responsible.

by noles55 on Oct 1, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you get paid as much as Bobby does, the blame is exactly where it needs to be. That or we need a new pay-scale.

75,000 people are very ingornat and clueless about football then.

"I'm falling apart, I'm barely breathing, With a broken heart thats still beating, In the pain is the healing, in Your Name I find meaning, So I'm holdin' on.. holdin' on to you."

by FSUvaFan on Oct 1, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe Florida Minimum Wage has been bumped up to 7.25

He may work as much as a bag boy at Publix. Doubtful though.

SQUAD UP!

by DA-2 on Oct 1, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

or " ignent' "

"I'm falling apart, I'm barely breathing, With a broken heart thats still beating, In the pain is the healing, in Your Name I find meaning, So I'm holdin' on.. holdin' on to you."

by FSUvaFan on Oct 1, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

money talks

the petition is great (posted on my FB) but easily ignored, as others have mentioned. what about donating $$ to a “Bobby Bowden Legacy” Fund (or some other B.S. name) to be delivered upon BB’s retirement.

Not sure if this is even possible, but sometimes a carrot is more effective that a stick.

by beachnole05 on Oct 1, 2009 9:25 AM EDT reply actions  

We're fresh out of carrots, but plenty of sticks around here...

I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.

Elayne Boosler

by NaGaNole on Oct 1, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

thousands of small donations

= a lot of carrots. ask barack about it

by beachnole05 on Oct 1, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

What about a fund for the university once Bowden retires?

I wouldn’t mind starting a fund for FSU Football to be given to the AD once Bobby the Great calls it quits—by a certain day.

I’d rather give a big carrot to someone whom deserves it, not someone who does not.

by Trus1te on Oct 1, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

just call it the BB Legacy Fund so it sounds nice – this way some boneheads who still think BB is doing a top notch job might donate, too… they obviously are not inclined toward any sort of research

by beachnole05 on Oct 1, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

What Bobby doesn't realize is that in 10 years, some of us will be active boosters...

I hope he doesn’t make us so bitter we contemplate renaming the field, or removing certain statues. his legacy will be in our hand then. Serioulsy, I WANT to be able to talk about him fondly like UGA alum talk about Dooley, but he’s making it real hard….

I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.

Elayne Boosler

by NaGaNole on Oct 1, 2009 10:48 AM EDT reply actions  

This is an interesting point.

Bobby needs to realize his legacy isn’t invincible, and it’s being tarnished more and more each and every day he stays.

by MKE Nole on Oct 1, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder how much money it would take to through some weight around.

"I'm falling apart, I'm barely breathing, With a broken heart thats still beating, In the pain is the healing, in Your Name I find meaning, So I'm holdin' on.. holdin' on to you."

by FSUvaFan on Oct 1, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

PLEASE START POSTING ON THE ESPN BOARDS

Over on the ACC Blog, I would like to start getting Heather’s attention.

No links yet, but I think it would be good to get ESPN to start getting interested in the scandal. Going straight to them through the public resources they have aloted us seems to me to be an appropriate action towards resolution

by Trus1te on Oct 2, 2009 5:18 PM EDT reply actions  

signs

"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein

by Olbrannon on Oct 3, 2009 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Irrelevant Quibble

I think you’re wrong on Marino and the running game. Marino never had the offensive line necessary to produce a decent running game until Jimmy Johnson came around. If it were an issue of Marino’s speed, the Dolphins would’ve put up thousand-yard seasons much earlier in his career, not well into the twilight of it, post-Achilles jury, as they did with Jabbar.

Jabbar was also no Ricky Williams, especially back when Ricky was stoned.

by Drew J Jones on Oct 5, 2009 9:11 AM EDT reply actions  

I will disagree

But I will agree that you make a good point about Jimmy’s emphasis on the o-line…

However, when Jabbar did get over 1000 he a really average/crappy ypg @ like 3.7… Meaning he got over 1000 cause the Phins ran it A LOT… BUt it is an interesting discussion to have

by Trus1te on Oct 5, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

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