Judge Noles On Performance Relative to Competition Level
In their last 12 games against 1A competition, the Noles are 7-5. That doesn't sound impressive, except when you consider than all of those 12 teams were bowl teams. Every single one (the 3 this year so far are bowl locks, indisputably). So before we haul off and declare a catastrophe, I'd like to see other team's records in their last 12 games against teams that went to a bowl game.
at Miami (FL) W 41-39
at North Carolina State W 26-17
vs. Virginia Tech – W 30-20
at Georgia Tech – L 31-28
vs. Clemson – W 41-27
vs. Boston College – L 27-17
at Maryland – W 37-3
vs. Florida – L 45-15
vs. Wisconsin – W 42-13
vs. Miami – L 38-34
at BYU – W 54-28
vs. USF – L 17-7
VTech is just 1 game better (8-4 instead of 7-5) over their last 12 games against bowl competition.
Miami is just 4-8 in their last 12 games against bowl competition- and their stretch goes back into 2007.
Penn State, the model of inflating a record through deplorable scheduling, is 7-5 in their last 12 games against teams to make bowls, and their stretch goes back into mid 2007.
I've been trying to drive this point home, but seriously, FSU is scheduling itself into the ground. FSU's last 12 Division 1 games have been against Bowl Teams? Think of the attrition this team faces. Even with adequate depth, this schedule Randy Spetman threw together is terrible and a recipe for embarrassment.
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Somewhere down this raod there is a wall. Jimbo and co on one side and BB and co on the other. Anyhow what would it coust us to drop some of these games like OU and Airforce.( thought I think that one might be ok to keep.) I would love to see some sunbelt or Con USA teams like an So Miss or Uab, With out ties to NFSU (N bama) why cant we get them. There are 5 other Conf that have ok teams C-USA, Mout west, WAC,MAC,and the S-Belt.
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I don’t know how much I buy the arguement that a bowl team is good. Certainly those teams that go to bowls are better than those that don’t but since you only need 6 wins to make a bowl it seems kind of weak to compare teams along that rank. I would rather see how FSU has done against the top 30 teams based on Sagarin’s final season ratings (or most up to date in the case of this year).
Either way, I think FSU fans should expect to have an easy time of teams like USF, NCState, BC (last year’s version). Sure those teams made, or will make, bowl games but they shouldn’t be on the same level as FSU. The fact that they are is the worst part of all this.
I think the loss to UF and one of the losses to UM is acceptable. The BYU wins is a definite plus and the VTech win is a positive. However, the rest of the losses are dissappointments and the wins aren’t anything special in my opinion.
Scheduling was pretty bad this year but with the exception of playing USF I don’t have much of a problem with it. (Ed note: I’ve never seen a dumber idea than scheduling an up and coming little brother school. Seriously, it’s so bad I can’t even think of a better word for it than “dumb”. I’m truely at a loss for this one. It’s truely outrageous….truely, truely, truely outrageous.) I understand the reason for scheduling like UF (a few patsies and one decent opponent although decent is debatable in FSU’s case) but I’d rather see FSU challenge themselves with another OOC game outside of UF. I’d like to see it done more now since UF is so far and away better than FSU because it would give FSU something to hang it’s hat on.
by evenflow58 on Sep 30, 2009 7:57 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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THIS YEARS’s schedule is insane. NEXT YEAR’S schedule is insane. 2011’s is stupid too, and we’ve discussed 2012 (at USF) ad nauseum. We get it. I highly doubt Jimbo will allow this to continue past 2013 (West Virginia and Nevada = just fine), and there’s no way Spetman will be around then. It will come to an end. So again, I must ask, why are we publicly debating this now? Still. To no end.
2005: The Citadel, Syracuse, at Florida.
2006: Troy, Rice, Western Michigan, Florida.
2007: UAB, at Colorado, Alabama in Jax, at Florida.
2008: Western Carolina, UT-Chatanooga, Colorado, Florida.
And as far as the bowl team streak: How come I can only get people to admit the ACC is strong when we lose games? Out of conference?! Seriously, WTF? Sour grapes.
“FSU schedules too tough.” That can’t be TN’s response right now.
I will agree
that the 2012 schedule is overboard.
But there is nothing wrong with a model of 2 BCS teams (one of which is Florida), one mid-major, and one bunny.
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by Bama Hawkeye on Sep 30, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
There is when you consider the total schedule
That’s fine if you play in the Big 10 where you have 4 or 5 gimme games where teams just don’t have athletes to compete at all.
NC State, Boston College, Clemson, Wake, Maryland, GTech, Miami, Virginia Tech, and Florida is way, way plenty. No need for BYU, USF, Oklahoma, etc.
by Bud Elliott on Sep 30, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
You're right
When I think Wake, I think athletic dominance. Same with Duke. And Virginia. And Maryland. And BC.
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by Bama Hawkeye on Sep 30, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of athletic dominance, I think we'd gladly trade any of those for a Big 10 team.
with the exception of Duke of course.
The ACC
has gone 4-8 versus the other BCS conferences and has lost 6 games to non-BCS schools. I would think that you’d want to keep more than just Duke.
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by Bama Hawkeye on Sep 30, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Quick question....
I didn’t see the discussion in your original post, but
Do you want to drop Florida from our schedule? Or do you think it’s better to just drop the level of competition everywhere else and keep that?
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In the original post I argued that UF + 3 cupcakes is plenty for the non-conference.
by Bud Elliott on Sep 30, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Because the goal
in my mind needs to be “reach the respectability threshold” and then stop.
by Bud Elliott on Sep 30, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
2 of those losses FSU should have won on the last play & the USF game included a large measure of bad luck
The only game where the Noles didn’t play close is the UF game.
Oddly enough, UM is killing themselves with scheduling as well: UCF and USF on the road and Oklahoma and FAMU (who is pretty good this year) at home. These games in addition to the tough Coastal Division of the ACC.
I’ll wait until the end of the season to pass judgment, but if the Noles and the Canes don’t make the ACCCG it may be that they shot themselves in the foot by scheduling too many legit teams out of conference. There is way too much parity in college football these days to “play anybody, anytime, anywhere.” Especially for an established program with nothing to prove.
Sigh
Again FSUun you bring up scheduling and again I have respectfully disagree as I did in your other post concerning this. Scheduling has only become a problem this year. Again let’s take a step back in time.
Last year we finished 9-4. Of those 4 loses all those teams went to a bowl and collectively posted a 2-2 record. Not impressive. Our non-conference schedule was Western Carolina, Chattanooga and a Colorado team that finished 5-7.
2007 our non-conference included a #24 Alabama team, a weak Colorado team and UAB. The 5 teams we lost to only 4 went to bowls and their record was 2-2.
2006 non-conference was Troy, Rice and Western Michigan. Of the 6 games we lost only 5 went to bowls and posted a record of 2-3.
As you can see overall it hasn’t been an impressive run for the teams we have lost to in bowls and honestly in the past our non-schedule hasn’t been tough. I’ve said it before and will say it again we haven’t had 10 wins since 2003 and have lost a minimum of 3 games in the ACC since 2004 and haven’t been ACC champs since 2005 when we won the conference with a paltry 5-3 record. We are 25-23 against Div. 1 opponents since 2005 and our record at home since then is worse at 5-12. To restate my point the problem isn’t our schedule it’s that we are bad and scheduling weaker teams won’t solve that. We need to win at home and beat teams we should beat plain and simple. Has our schedule gotten tougher…yes….while the heart in this team has gotten weaker. It can be a recipe for disaster, but bad scheduling has only started this year.
All the reason to not schedule crazy teams
The difference between our record lately and Penn State’s record is scheduling. Even with the lower level of talent, poor coaching, etc. if we went with two cupcakes instead of BYU and USF we are sitting at 3-1 instead of 2-2. Even as bad as we are playing we should still beat BC and that would put us at 4-1. We need all the wins we can get to convince kids we are moving in the right direction by showing them increasing win totals and higher rankings at the end of the year. Better recruits equal a better team (usually) so an easier schedule would go a long way towards fixing our problem.
by osceolafan850 on Sep 30, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I disagree
I think FSU should beat USF because we are a better team. I also am not sold as much as the media is on Miami, but only time will tell with them. Basically we are doing the same thing we have done since the early 2000’s. We are losing at home and losing to teams we should beat. We haven’t gotten into our ACC schedule yet either, but that is starting this weekend so we shall see if FSU can reverse the trend. It’s tough to recruit kids when you can’t win your conference and lose to sub-par teams and pile on to that a coaching staff in turmoil and NCAA sanctions.
NO Team
should be expected to get up week after week. It just simply does not happen. Knowing that, this suicide scheduling is dumb. I don’t understand the final part.
by Bud Elliott on Sep 30, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Media
It doesn’t matter if we are sold on UM or not if the media is. UM could lose to OU by 10, drop one more ACC game and squeak past the rest of their schedule and the media will say they are back. We could squeak through the rest of our schedule, lose to UF and have a bunch of articles about how the mighty have fallen. We would have one more regular season loss than the Canes but because of our scheduling and who we lost to the consensus would be we are farther back than UM and the media drives public opinion. Again look no farther than Penn State and their inflated record lately. They scheduled their way into 10 win seasons, that convinced the media they are a power again and that convinced kids they can play at Penn State and become stars.
It is also extremely debatable how much better we are than UM, USF, UNC, Ga Tech, Clemson, Va Tech and we are way behind UF. That is staring down the barrel of a 6 loss season because we avoid VT this year. We stand a decent chance in 5 of the 6 but the days of FSU just having better teams than any of the schools I mentioned are gone. Hell Wake wasn’t beating us by luck the last few years, they were a better team than us.
by osceolafan850 on Sep 30, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait,
Last year we finished 9-4. Of those 4 loses all those teams went to a bowl and collectively posted a 2-2 record. Not impressive. Our non-conference schedule was Western Carolina, Chattanooga and a Colorado team that finished 5-7.
I have serious problems with judging our competition solely on how they did in a bowl. For instance, BC lost their starting QB going into their bowl game. I see no prudent reason to judge them on how they did in their bowl game as opposed to their total body of work.
2007 our non-conference included a #24 Alabama team, a weak Colorado team and UAB. The 5 teams we lost to only 4 went to bowls and their record was 2-2.
2006 non-conference was Troy, Rice and Western Michigan. Of the 6 games we lost only 5 went to bowls and posted a record of 2-3.
Again, it’s just dumb to judge the quality of team based on bowl record as opposed to considering every opponent they played. Why would you do that?
As you can see overall it hasn’t been an impressive run for the teams we have lost to in bowls and honestly in the past our non-schedule hasn’t been tough.
Wrong. It’s been extremely tough. Again, that is just a dumb way to evaluate the competition. Oklahoma lost their bowl game last season. So did Alabama. Total body of work.
Also, you have to judge the totality of the schedule. Consider conference schedule + non-conference. All FSU needs to get to the MNC Game is UF + 3 cupcakes. Get to the point where nobody would refute the resume and then STOP.
I’ve said it before and will say it again we haven’t had 10 wins since 2003 and have lost a minimum of 3 games in the ACC since 2004 and haven’t been ACC champs since 2005 when we won the conference with a paltry 5-3 record. We are 25-23 against Div. 1 opponents since 2005 and our record at home since then is worse at 5-12. To restate my point the problem isn’t our schedule it’s that we are bad and scheduling weaker teams won’t solve that.
I would ask you to google “attrition”.
We need to win at home and beat teams we should beat plain and simple. Has our schedule gotten tougher…yes….while the heart in this team has gotten weaker. It can be a recipe for disaster, but bad scheduling has only started this year.
This is the best FSU team we’ve had in years, but it is the schedule keeping it down.
by Bud Elliott on Sep 30, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't believe this is the best FSU team we’ve had in years and that it's the schedule keeping it down.
I wasn’t sure I believed it (but wanted to) in the preseason either because of questions on the defense and special teams. Honest question (not debate): What are you holding on to now? This offense isn’t going to win games for us without help, i.e., I don’t see us outscoring people like I was hoping to. I know attrition, and I accounted for that in the preseason.
You should google reality
The first thing you post in your response is “I have serious problems with judging our competition solely on how they did in a bowl.” yet isn’t what this post is about? I mean in the post you state in your first sentence “In their last 12 games against 1A competition, the Noles are 7-5. That doesn’t sound impressive, except when you consider than all of those 12 teams were bowl teams.” Evidently you are working off a one way street. On one hand you try and state it’s impressive that they played bowl teams, yet these bowl teams lost. You also state in your response “All FSU needs to get to the MNC Game is UF + 3 cupcakes. Get to the point where nobody would refute the resume and then STOP” We’ve done that in the past and how well has it worked out? We haven’t won an ACC title since 2005 is how well.
You're deeply confused
His point is that they won enough games, over their entire body of work, to make it to a bowl game. This proves that these are good teams. How they did in that bowl game is of no consequence. They don’t need to win their bowl games to prove that they’re a good team. It’s the body of work. Try to follow.
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I am following
And our body of work hasn’t been good. You have to win the ACC to have a chance in the nation title game and we haven’t done that lately. Baby steps.
I don't disagree with that at all
He’s saying a tougher OOC schedule beats us up mentally and physically and makes it tougher to win the ACC
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That hasn't been the story in the past.
Look at my numbers. I will give him this year though and do agree that this is a brutal schedule this season.
We haven't been discussing past schedule
We’ve been discussing this year’s schedule and the PAST RECORD of the teams we play this year.
I think the point is that everyone is blaming Jimbo, claiming that nothing has changed, when in fact things have changed: 1) Jimbo has brought in better players, 2) the offensive scheme is MUCH better due to Jimbo, and 3) we’re now playing the toughest schedule we’ve played in years. Therefore, the positive steps made largely by Jimbo and the offensive staff haven’t necessarily translated to the win-loss column yet.
I agree somewhat
Especially this statement “The positive steps made largely by Jimbo and the offensive staff haven’t necessarily translated to the win-loss column yet.” And I think the scheduling might hamper that, but still we should beat USF and without a drop in the endzone should have beaten Miami. It’s time to accept the schedule for what it is and win plain and simple.
You want results?
Look at the teams expected to contend for the national title this year, and the teams that have won in the past decade. Feel free to take a look.
This is the dumbest argument I have ever seen. As a fan, of course I want to see us take on all comers and strut our stuff proving we are the best every week. Guess what, to quote Denzel, this @#$% is chess, it aint checkers. I want to disagree with FSUn and others who say we should soften the schedule, but then I look at numbers.
You think UF fans give a crap that the last out of state OOF conference game was ’91 in syracuse? No, they laugh and say (AND EFFING QUOTE) “dont get mad at us because we are smart enough to set up a good schedule.”
You want to celebrate natl championships, great. You have to get to them first pal.
I still don't think anyone's disagreeing that we need a more reasonable schedule.
And I think 1newplayer just wants a different discussion on the board when the national perspective is, “FSU sucks, no matter who they play.” I happen to agree if that’s his point. Not all of us are used to going head-to-head on TN amongst friends, and it can be difficult to say “Just win, baby.” And for the record, the exact EFFING QUOTE from Gator fans is, “That’s because we’re in the SEC, and you’re in the ACC, and the ACC SUCKS!” * snort * And whever it was covered here – if it was – if not, here you go – you’d better believe we’d have to go undefeated if we scheduled 3 cupcakes with Florida. One loss with a mid-tier BCS complement and our season doesn’t have to end on a bad Saturday, in or out of conference.
Exactly TRMnole
and as jasonole59 caught below. We have to win plain and simple. We have had easy schedules in the past and done nothing except lose. The schedule has only gotten tougher this year and their is nothing we can do about it. I don’t find the schedule the problem at FSU though in more that it is a culture and coaching problem. We haven’t even won the ACC since 2005 and we did it with a 5-3 record which is unnacceptable to me.
You are right TRM
I had earlier been talking to a Gator about that very point. Im tired of no leg to stand on…
I am saying judge the quality of competition based on their total body of work, not one performance in a bowl game.
Would you say Alabama is unimpressive? Or Oklahoma?
by Bud Elliott on Sep 30, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
We are like 2 ships passing in the night
Listen I think we can agree on some things FSUun
1. Our schedule is tough this year and it makes no sense.
2. It is going to be tough the next couple of years and we can’t do anything about it.
3. Our schedule in the past has been weak and we haven’t lived up to expectations.
4. We must win the ACC to have a shot at relevance.
Listen I’m with you in that our schedule is tough, but this is a recent problem. We have to get back to basics and just win games we are supposed to and make changes to the culture and our attitude. When this comes FSU will be back on top.
Well one thing is certain...
It’s not just the OOC games that have beaten us. In 2006 we beat Rice, Troy, Western Michigan, Lost to UF, so we had 5 in conferences losses.
Troy and West Michigan gave us a scare. Many believed that year set us up nicely for the ACC and potentially more since we played a ridiculous amount of home games that year = 8. This is also the year that brought us the shutout at home vs WF.
So I think 1newplayer’s point is that we have scheduled the patsies in the past and were no better for it. This points to the much larger issue. The one constant. The old regime of a coaching staff that we have.
that being said...
We still need to schedule smarter. Jimbo probably could have done alot better with that schedule.
Throw Duke and UVA as the gimme conference games that year too...
Glad it wasn’t VT and GT that year.
My exact sentiments
This is exactly what I am saying and we currently can’t control any of our scheduling this year or for the next few years. We have to accept it for what it is and just play. We have to eliminate excuses, grow some balls and win some games.
Haha we can grow all the balls we want
But it won’t change the fact that this is a problem. That’s why he’s pointing this out. it’s an issue that will plague us for years to come, and it only further shows the ineptitude of our leadership.
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It's not about growing ball
Why don’t other schools grow balls…
by Bud Elliott on Sep 30, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Again you misunderstood
I’m not talking about growing balls in reference to the schedule I’m talking about team attitude. Win games you are supposed to like the USF game and possibly the Miami game. We have to change our attitude at FSU and the problem begins at the top and trickles down. We could go on and on about schedule, but in the past it the schedule hasn’t mattered. We need to make fundamental changes and get rid of dead weight coaches and players with ho hum attitude.
yeah, balls are gonna win the games
right up there with EXECUTE!
Success requires a plan. Currently, we have a plan that is conducive to failure.
Also
If you look at the last 13 games that FSU has played, you have (in essence) a complete season. The number of bowl teams is a function of 1) the number of bowl games and 2) an ACC that has trended towards the middle (6-6 and 7-5).
FSU played 8 ACC teams (Miami twice). Now the rotation of the schedule meant that FSU’s opponents were all bowl teams. But if you’re going to say that Florida shouldn’t count Kentucky, should you count a 6-7 NC St? And at least Troy has beaten MTSU, which has to count them at least as much as a bad Maryland team. Last year, FSU played Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, and a bunch of mediocre teams in the ACC. Our bowl system just rewards mediocrity.
As for the five nonconference games in the schedule, let’s take out Wisconsin. Complaining about playing a bowl team in a bowl game makes my head hurt.
FSU have a rivalry game with Florida. So that’s there.
FSU played 1 1-AA squad. You, presumably, would like more?
You played two games against mid-level foes. One good team from a non-BCS conference and one mediocre team from the weakest of the BCS conferences. Have the Seminole, who made their name due to their “anytime, anybody, anywhere” bravado, become such a frail program that they can’t handle a non-con schedule of Florida, one BCS squad, one mid-major and one 1-AA team? I don’t believe that, and I’m shocked if you do.
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by Bama Hawkeye on Sep 30, 2009 10:55 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
If you look at the last 13 games that FSU has played, you have (in essence) a complete season. The number of bowl teams is a function of 1) the number of bowl games and 2) an ACC that has trended towards the middle (6-6 and 7-5).
Except that FSU’s last three non-conference opponents are all unquestionable bowl teams. How many other schools can claim that?
But if you’re going to say that Florida shouldn’t count Kentucky, should you count a 6-7 NC St?
I counted Kentucky for UF’s comparison last season. This year, I am unsure if Kentucky is a bowl team.
As for the five nonconference games in the schedule, let’s take out Wisconsin. Complaining about playing a bowl team in a bowl game makes my head hurt.
Everyone plays a bowl team in a bowl game, either leave it in or remove it for all.
FSU played 1 1-AA squad. You, presumably, would like more?
No, I explained that here earlier in the week: http://www.tomahawknation.com/2009/9/27/1057367/florida-state-must-schedule
http://www.accsports.com/articles/200909296058/fsu-insider-schedule-complicates-progress.php
Have the Seminole, who made their name due to their "anytime, anybody, anywhere" bravado, become such a frail program that they can’t handle a non-con schedule of Florida, one BCS squad, one mid-major and one 1-AA team? I don’t believe that, and I’m shocked if you do.
It’s not about that. There is just no need. UF and three Penn-State styled non-conference foes easily gets FSU a top 35 or top 40 schedule. I am trying to drive home the point that people don’t understand the idea of attrition in the context of college football, and that it’s impossible to get a team motivated to play each game. Setting up unnecessary trap games is just stupid.
by Bud Elliott on Sep 30, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
OK
However, when the next great FSU team comes along – be it next year, or ten years from now – it will need a better schedule than a similarly situated Alabama, Texas, or (yes, as much as you may not like it) Ohio State in order to get into the MNC game.
Outside of the region, the ACC is perceived as Virginia Tech and a batch of mediocre football teams. Line up the Top 4 in each conference, and the ACC is likely 5th this year. That matches the perception. Unless the conference wins some games against BCS conference opponents and changes the perception – something that you seem to think that the Seminoles should cower away from doing – an ACC champion FSU team will be left out of the MNC for other conference champions with an identical record.
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by Bama Hawkeye on Sep 30, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Untrue
If FSU went on a run this year or maybe next with a cupcake nonconf that could be a problem. But Miami is clearly on the upswing. UNC also is getting better and VT is not about to fall off. A rolling FSU and UM alone would give the ACC more prestige than the current Pac 10, equal the current Big 10, and equal the Big 12 from any year prior to last year. An ACC with a rolling FSU, UM, plus solid UNC, VT, GT, and maybe Clemson would be the equal of the SEC.
by osceolafan850 on Sep 30, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
But we don't have a rolling UM
An ACC with a rolling FSU, UM, plus solid UNC, VT, GT, and maybe Clemson would be the equal of the SEC.
Well, that’s been the thought since after 2003, hasn’t it? Maybe someday it will happen. It’s hard to see it being anytime soon, though.
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by Bama Hawkeye on Sep 30, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
But we are projecting forward
Just to assume FSU will need a better schedule than Texas or Alabama 10 years from now is making an assumption on your part. It was based on a logical starting point by looking at what teams are doing right now, so I did the same when projecting the future of the ACC. Miami is clearly on the rise and VT has been doing the same thing for around a decade now so why would I assume they won’t be good in the near future? Butch Davis is a proven cfb coach who is a great recruiter and has kept UNC moving forward so why wouldn’t they be good?
Personally I have little to no faith in Ga Tech or Clemson being truly elite, but the four mentioned above would raise ACC’s prestige to a point where you could win the conference and get in the big game.
by osceolafan850 on Sep 30, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Definitely not Ohio State
But the UF game puts FSU’s schedule over the top, no doubt, when you consider the ACCCG.
by Bud Elliott on Sep 30, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Out of those 3 teams (Bama, Texas, OSU)
I think if all went undefeated (in the future), along with FSU, you could most closely compare a FSU team to Texas (even though I think we’d have a better body of work). A win over UF for us would equal a win over OU for them, and with similar OOC schedules, the body of work would be comparable. Should an undefeated OSU team get a nod over an undefeated FSU? No, definitely not. A UF win, a Miami win, and a conference championship win should get more recognition than Ohio State any day. But, because of perception of the OSU program, I’m not convinced we would.
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Weak scheduling. Hmmmm, let's transfer to the Conference USA...
Then we can win games.
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Is UF in conference USA?
Is Penn State? Ohio State? Texas?
by Bud Elliott on Sep 30, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Shouldn't it be about striving to be the best?
I completely understand the argument that we should tone down the schedule because that is what other successful programs are doing. I think it’s smart to learn the way the system works and use it to your advantage. But, isn’t it kind of a sad commentary on what college football has become? Shouldn’t it be about striving to be the best? I’m not talking about FSU, I’m talking about overall. We have the greatest sport going and then it limps to the finish line in January with the annual beauty pageant. I’m not even necessarily arguing for a playoff. I just wish the system somehow encouraged everyone to play the best schedule possible. I don’t even think I-A teams should be allowed to play I-AA teams. I admit that I’m not offering solutions, I’m just dreaming of what it could be …
Would you guys agree that "The perception of the ACC being weaker than The Big 10"
forces us to schedule slightly more difficult than say PSU?
I’m not saying making a schedule like we have this year, but perhaps being forced to continue to include middle of the pack Big East team.
I suggest trying to do this in the year or 2 leading up to the contest rather than 5-6 years in advance.
eg. for 2012 schedule the games in 2010 or 2011 to try to “project where those teams will be when we play them” and then choose a team who would fit the criteria. eg. If we project Louisville to be a 5-6 win team (based on talent) try to get them rather than a 8-9 win Syracuse (just throwing names out there not saying that those teams are projected to do the win totals in my eg.)
I'm not willing to
acknowledge that has anything to do with our scheduling. But I do see your point. Just seems to be giving a lot of credit to those guys who run FSU.
Since we've probably run this one into the ground here, ha...
…and are more or less on the same page overall, would you say (I know it’s a shot in the dark – who even knows who’ll be here?) there’s ANY chance we could at least slide the WVU series back a few years? Clearing out 2012 is a serious must. If we could at least move the 2012 home date to 2014. To answer my own question, the problem is these kinds of things need to be done NOW. West Virginia has a signed contract for a marquis game with a team in disarray that they’re probably not going to want to tinker with. And Florida State needs a (public) excuse to move that date. It might cost money. I know Bud would be up for cancelling the series, but I just want the game moved at the least. (It must be.) 2012 is an impossible schedule. Virginia Tech (on the road) rotates in that year as well.
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