Should I root for FSU this weekend?
by evenflow58 on Sep 30, 2009 4:35 PM EDT
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In my endless quest to cause pain to myself I've read all I can find about the FSU/USF game. In my reading I stumbled across AC's mailbag and this question in particular.
Trey (Orlando) writes: So how are school officials and decision makers viewing Bowden’s future? Is there any talk around Tallahassee about it? I love Bowden, but it may be time. Do you have an opinion on this matter?
Andrew Carter: I knew this question would be coming this week. Here’s the deal, Trey: I think we’re in a holding pattern at this point. Certainly, the 2-2 start has raised significant questions about the direction of this program. I think people thought that, worst case, FSU would be 2-2 right now. Well, the worst case has happened. If that continues, then there will be all sorts of questions about Bowden’s immediate future. And there are now, to an extent. But the thing is, FSU can still right the ship. It can still win the Atlantic Division, play for the ACC title, go to a BCS bowl, etc. But if the Seminoles lose this weekend, it could interesting – and ugly – in Tallahassee. As for my opinion, I do have one, but I’m waiting to see what happens this weekend.
After the jump I'll try and explain myself a bit better.
Obviously the big question following the USF game (and for years on here on TN) has been "how soon can Bobby leave?" The rumblings for Bobby's departure have increased with each loss. However, the USF loss seems to have accelerated the call for action. My question is "do we root against FSU?"
With a poor season Bobby is as likely as ever to realize this team isn't close to winning anything anytime soon and he's not likely to be a coach when they are. Would this signal to Bobby that now is as good as a time as ever to step down? Would the school and boosters just Bobby thanks but no thanks on that 1-year contract next year? Certainly they are all possibilities.
However, this would also reflect poorly on Fisher, who most people here seem to have confidence in, and would definitely hurt recruiting, which it already has. I highly doubt that a poor season would preclude Fisher from becoming the Head Coach at FSU because FSU can't afford that but it might put him immediately on the hot seat and not give him a chance to put his ideas into place. This could lengthen FSU's rebuilding effort drastically.
The alternative to all of this is that FSU is able to right the ship this year to the point where they finish with a respectable record and repeat a similar trek in 2010. Certainly Bobby will hang around if he thinks FSU is "one player away" (why do you goad him Peter Warrick, why?). What happens then? Is there a fight amongst Bobby and the boosters/school as to whether or not he stays? What if he wants some say in staff that he leaves? What about a spurned staff member throwing a hissy fit? This would all look pretty bad in the press and it wouldn't shock me if the boosters/school caved in on some of his demands.
So, how 'bout it? Who do you have this week?
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For the record I will be rooting for FSU because I can’t bear to root against them. It’s in my blood.
+1
While losing would further fuel the fire that we all want to burn, it just crushes my soul when we lose and I kinda like to enjoy my weekends after a long week in class.
Torn for sure..I would take any losses necessary to have the old regime swept out this year
Its a throwaway anyway if you consider our past standards. I have lost all interest in us winning the ACC if BB ect..were to get another year out of it
Had to go for drunk
I will never root against FSU, at worse case I would just sit on my hands. But we need Bowden and co out, so hopefully that can be done with as little damage as possible to recruiting. The prestige of the school and Bowden’s legacy really can’t get much worse
100% Rooting for FSU
But if further losses continue to put pressure on Bobby to leave, I wouldn’t be devastated with more losses.
I have been lurking but very disinterested in FSU football....
This question required me to sit and think for a minute. Obviously, it wouldn’t matter one way or another who we cheer for, as the team’s performance and ultimately the outcome of the game is unrelated to our level of interest. Still, I have never found myself cheering or rooting against FSU. I grew up an FSU fan. I never missed a game on the radio (before the interwebs) or when it was on TV… occasionally, my Dad would get tickets and we’d go. When I went to college at Georgia Tech, I wondered how I would handle the FSU GT games, but even there I rooted for FSU and against Tech. Now as an employee at GT, I still root for FSU over Tech.
Even so, this question made me think. I still don’t think I would ever cheer against them, but I have certainly grown less interested.
Personally, I don’t see Bowden leaving a day before 2011. I think even if he pulls our head under water this year and next, there is no way he leaves without a year-long goodbye/tribute etc etc. He never seemed like he would just walk in one day and say, “I’ve had enough, Ann, let’s go home,” and just fade away. He’s too arrogant for that. And honestly, it would be good promo for FSU.
Is he a problem? Yes.
Is he leaving before 2011? No.
Would cheering against FSU change the outcome of any game? No.
Would FSU losing badly the rest of the year force him out early? No.
Best we can hope for this year is a relatively drama-free changing of the guard on the Defense and an announcement from Bowden that next year is it. That way Nike and ESPN and Powerade and Osmose Lumber and GoldenFlake and whoever else sponsors Bowden can plan the going away tour.
The only thing forcing his hand next year is $ and contracts, sadly.
by coonhound on Sep 30, 2009 5:21 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I think you hit the nail right on the head with this post.
This is just the way it is people. Bobby’s going to do what Bobby’s going to do and trying to pressure him probably isn’t going to accomplish anything except possibly prolonging this agony. If he’s shown anything over the years, it’s that he is definitely one stubborn old dude. I will NEVER root against my school.
Root for FSU
Pray someone within the university sees the light, and tells BB that it’s time to let it go.
2009 Rays Baseball: Welp.....we'll try again in 2010
2009 FSU Football: The most inconsistent team in the country
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Gotta root for our Noles
Also, going 2-3 would be devastating for recruiting, for our image, and for our team’s confidence as we enter the heart of the ACC schedule. We just have to hope that Bobby hangs it up no matter what our record.
Can't
Root against FSU regardless of how much I want Bowden to be gone. and how much I can’t stand that horrible ridiculously tacky stained glass window scaring the side of Doak. It just rubs it in how useless he is every time I have to see quotes from his stupid interviews which are pointless since he never even seems to know what went on at any point during the game or who played or didn’t play, its beyond pathetic. Either way I could still never hope for the noles to lose because its the players and not Bowden that are hurt in the end just like it has been for the better part of the last decade everytime Bowden made a decision that had him or his family/friends interests above the interests of the players, the program, the university, etc etc etc. If all the losses of the last few years didn’t get him forced out more losses may not get it done now either. Wins this season will help the program going forward in terms of recruiting, fan support, and so on, a lot more losses might get Bowden out but they may also put FSU in tough spot for the next couple of years as well.
"No, like I said, Woo peed on my rug" - The Dude
Andrew is right about one thing..
These coaches make six figures and are grown men so they need to figure out how to work together. I am sure plenty of us have coworkers we do not like. You are not paid to like who you work with. You work together regardless and get the job done. Buddy Ryan coached some real good defenses in the NFL despite not liking some other coaches he worked with.
by nolestuff on Sep 30, 2009 10:25 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I will always root for FSU to win....
The problem is I am starting to get used to them losing..
During the late 80’s and 90’s I used to get so upset if they lost that i would go into my room and mourn for 24-48 hours and stay away from everyone because I would be so upset…
Now I just get irritated for an hour or so….
USF was the only game I was upset about for more than a day…
Still can not believe our offensive line was so out played
I still remember losing at Louisville.....
I couldn’t believe it just happened!!!! I wanted to kill Chris Rix. But nowdays its more of a numb feeling especially since we’ve lost to wake forest so many times in a row, USF, kentucky, BC, UNC -when they werent even considered in top 30.
by noles 4 life u dig? on Oct 1, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I get tired of watching old replays of teams beating us...
Seriously, it seems like we were everybody’s first big win.
long time lurker, first time poster...
and YES I’m rooting for the Seminoles.
"Some nasty players that come from those seeds down at FSU in Tallahassee, we hold ourselves to a higher standard... we'll keep grinding it out. When you step on the field you have to represent not just yourself, but for everybody." (DD #45)
econole23, Welcome to TN, thanks for joining and posting. But I just have to ask you, who's mugshot is that, I don't recognize him, or is it you?
If it’s you, it’s cool, we’re not here to judge you.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
I very well could have a mugshot somewhere but not yet in Tallahassee, thats actually Jim Morrison of the Doors...
I’ve been reading on here for awhile now and it’s by far the best FSU site going, subscription or otherwise.
"Some nasty players that come from those seeds down at FSU in Tallahassee, we hold ourselves to a higher standard... we'll keep grinding it out. When you step on the field you have to represent not just yourself, but for everybody." (DD #45)
OK, now I see it, the short hair threw me off and this must have been while he was attending FSU. I can tell I like you already because I am a huge Doors fan myself. LA Woman was always a crank it up song in my circle
and I used to wake up my roommate with Roadhouse Blues. I would que it to the part where he sings “I woke up this morning and I had myself a beer” full blast on the stereo and pop a cold one in my roomies face and make him chug.
When I was 12 my older cousing took me and my girlfriend to Dinner Key to hear the Doors without my parents knowing, but we could not get in. We hung out outside listening to the music, drinking beer, and I was the first time I got stoned. We were there when he was dragged out by the cops and this night became famous and I will always treasure this memento of that night.
Also, Val Kilmer did a hell of a job as Morrison.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
Things were different back then man, you just don't dig. It was a time when
pulling out your wang and pissing on your fans was cool. If your not cool and with it man, you’re just a square and part of the establishment. Down with the fuzz. Make love not war. Flower power.
Actually all that was just before my time.
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It was all before my time too but I've heard enough firsthand stories of FSU in the 70's...
If you couldn’t find it on Landis you couldn’t find it anywhere. I think we’re due for another social uprising around these parts… JIMBO 2010.
"Some nasty players that come from those seeds down at FSU in Tallahassee, we hold ourselves to a higher standard... we'll keep grinding it out. When you step on the field you have to represent not just yourself, but for everybody." (DD #45)
We should get someone to steal CTC manbra's and we could have a rally where
we would burn them and ask the coeds to join in as a sign of support.
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I will be rooting for a win
I want me some Christian Green. I know his decision will not be predicated on the outcome of this game, but it might help me psychologically. Also, as we’ve discussed, the pro’s and con’s on both sides of this means some of the pain is taken out of losing, yet some of the glory is taken out of victory. Just a baseline sadness and disgust will persist.
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Root for FSU because
1) the players deserve it
2) your an FSU fan
3) It could be worst CTC could be next in line
4) better things are yet to come in this City.
5) Because Nextlvl says we will win out because we would go 10-2.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
When FSU is back in the Doak, maybe we can get a "JIM-BO FISH-ER" chant going....
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
This is this guy who should be coach and Jimbo is his name-o..
J-I-M-B-O…
Cause college kids can pull this off…
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
by NaGaNole on Oct 1, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There was a coach in waiting and Jimb-o was his name O
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
College kids will nail it.
Sing it with me now!
J-I-M-B-0
J-I-M-B-0
J-I-M-B-0..
..And Jimbo was his Name-O…….What, what!!!!!
Don't rely on the college kids
Having little to no knowledge of football, they still cheer for Bobby a LOT and have no idea the damage he’s doing
by pillsburysoldier on Oct 1, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
oop. Misread. My b.
Still. The college girls think “oooh, bobby’s so cute” and the guys don’t stop talking about Derrick Brooks (who deserves it, but they think he can still work that magic into a player)
by pillsburysoldier on Oct 1, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I guarantee the little support bobby has left is not from the student body...
and noone wants to right the ship more than the people who either have or currently do eat, sleep, and breathe this campus. It was a lot easier to jump up for class on Monday after BYU than it was after USF.
"Some nasty players that come from those seeds down at FSU in Tallahassee, we hold ourselves to a higher standard... we'll keep grinding it out. When you step on the field you have to represent not just yourself, but for everybody." (DD #45)
The only thing I'll be rooting against FSU in is...
…our NCAA appeal regarding vacating 14 victories. Hopefully if we lose that and lose the 14 victories the old man will finally see that he can never catch Paterno. I honestly believe he is so selfish he is sticking around for just for that…and the $2.5mm paycheck…
The sooner we find out the NCAA's decision
the better, win or lose!
Anyone know how much longer this ordeal is going to last?
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