Scheduling Yourself Out of the Top 25
by Bud Elliott on Jan 19, 2010 2:23 AM EST
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This is the first in a followup on last year's "did Florida State improve in 2008?" article. While last year it was appropriate to ask whether the 'Nole's 2008 season was an improvement over the 2007 campaign, there is no debate about the 2009 team. They definitely regressed. So for this series, I will look at the new highs and lows set by Florida State's offense, defense, and special teams. I ask where the team was better on the field, because there is no doubt as to whether the program is in better shape now than it was at any point in this millennium's first decade. FSU has leadership for the first time in a long while and the improvements made in recruiting by the new coaches are nothing short of staggering as the 'Noles recruiting class has rocketed from 34th on the day Bobby Bowden retired to what is now a guaranteed top 10 class.
First we should start with some context. Performance is irrelevant without context. In this case the context is schedule strength. We'll use Brian Fremeau's SOS numbers. Strength of schedule, based on the likelihood of an elite team going undefeated against this team's schedule. Florida State played the 13th toughest schedule in 2007, including the bowl game. In 2008 they played the 12th toughest. This past season the 'Noles played the 5th toughest. No team that played a top 9 schedule managed 10 wins against division-1 teams, even including the bowl game! Here is a list of that top 9 and the records against division 1 competition:
- Tennessee: 7-6
- Arkansas 7-5
- South Carolina 6-6
- LSU 9-4
- FSU 6-6
- Mississippi State 4-7
- Florida International 3-9
- Virginia 3-8
- North Carolina 6-5
That's a combined 51-56 record. I'd argue that all but Virginia and Florida International were in the 45 best teams in the country. And I'd argue that Tennessee, Arkansas, Florida State, LSU, and North Carolina are among the 30 best teams in the country. But those teams effectively scheduled themselves out of the final polls. Of the 9, only 1 team ended up ranked in the final polls- LSU at #17. To further illustrate what a joke college football really is, take a look at the final top 25 and the corresponding strength of schedules. Keep in mind that these include the bowl game and thus teams playing against excellent competition in bowl games will have a schedule much higher than their regular season schedule for which they were responsible. That is the case with Texas, Alabama, and Florida, all of which received a massive bump from their conference championship game and bowl game.
| RK | TEAM | RECORD (Including D1-AA teams) |
Strength of Schedule |
| 1 | Alabama (58) | 14-0 | 12 |
| 2 | Texas | 13-1 | 38 |
| 3 | Florida | 13-1 | 15 |
| 4 | Boise State | 14-0 | 104 |
| 5 | Ohio State | 11-2 | 44 |
| 6 | TCU | 12-1 | 70 |
| 7 | Iowa | 11-2 | 20 |
| 8 | Penn State | 11-2 | 67 |
| 9 | Cincinnati | 12-1 | 33 |
| 10 | Virginia Tech | 10-3 | 10 |
| 11 | Oregon | 10-3 | 27 |
| 12 | Brigham Young | 11-2 | 92 |
| 13 | Georgia Tech | 11-3 | 11 |
| 14 | Nebraska | 10-4 | 42 |
| 15 | Pittsburgh | 10-3 | 73 |
| 16 | Wisconsin | 10-3 | 55 |
| 17 | LSU | 9-4 | 4 |
| 18 | Utah | 10-3 | 58 |
| 19 | Miami (FL) | 9-4 | 13 |
| 20 | USC | 9-4 | 23 |
| 21 | Mississippi | 9-4 | 31 |
| 22 | West Virginia | 9-4 | 60 |
| 23 | Texas Tech | 9-4 | 51 |
| 24 | Central Michigan | 12-2 | 101 |
| 25 | Oklahoma State | 9-4 | 71 |
- 19 of the top 25 teams (75%+) played a schedule outside of the top 20 most difficult schedules.
- 16 of the top 25 teams (60%) played a schedule outside of the top 30 most difficult schedules.
- 13 of the top 25 teams (52%) played a schedule outside of the top 40 most difficult schedules.
- 11 of the top 25 teams (44%) played a schedule outside of the top 50 most difficult schedules.
- 8 of the top 25 teams (32%) played a schedule outside of the top 60 most difficult schedules. There are 120 teams in Division 1. A third of the teams that ended up ranked did so by racking up wins against a schedule that was not in the top half of all college football schedules! Where the teams in the first list scheduled themselves out of the final rankings, a great many of the teams that were in the final rankings were there solely because their schedules did not consistently present opportunities to lose games.
- 91 teams played a more difficult schedule than that of Central Michigan, BYU, and Boise State.
The old school thinking is that playing a difficult schedule earns a team respect. That is no longer true. It is evident by the inclusion of many of the teams in the final 25 that record no matter against who it was attained, and not resume, is the sole determining factor in garnering respect. To put it another way, everyone is not taking the same test but they are being graded as if they were.
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I have no idea how you balance law school with all of this
but great insight as usual…FSU absolutely needs to start scheduling easier. Playing UF as our OOC game is enough.
by SeminoleSkins87 on Jan 19, 2010 3:17 AM EST up reply actions
no arguing with the facts...
But isn’t it a shame that is the way things are done? In the 90’s (and before that, but I was a kid) Saturday afternoon football was more often than not a drag. Before the college football packages on DirecTv, you were pretty much stuck with what was offered to you and more often than not… BLOW OUTS! If you were a fan of a power team, you looked forward to what, 2 or MAYBE 3 games a season that was good?
Now we have 12 game seasons and with this philosophy being what it is… back to the ol’ routine where at least OOC schedules are being watered down. One of the things I have always admired about FSU is the scheduling. It was cool to see BYU and Colorado and the ‘Bama game a couple seasons back. At the least, why schedule these obvious patsies when there are Indiana’s and Syracuse’s and Washington St., etc… at least they are in major conferences.
The NCAA is a joke. The polls and way this top 25 is determined is a joke. The game of college football is so entertaining and brings out so much emotion that it still overshadows the crap we endure from the people in charge. This is not your Father’s or Grandfather’s FSU team… I am seeing that, hearing that… loud and clear. I just wish it was feasible to at least have the BIG GAME feel most every Saturday instead of 1/4 of our games (not counting any ACC duds we get) being pat on the back, look at us, kinda ceremonies.
tired of being pissed... time to move on. Once a SEMINOLE, Always a 'Nole!
every game is a big game
Lose and your title hopes are pretty much over.
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by tdchrisdavis on Jan 19, 2010 7:54 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly
The system rewards big wins, and that’s it, no matter who you play. Your research highlights that. As much as I’d like to have a few more big games, that’s not how it’s done right now.
It would be great if the BCS made it a requirement that in order to play in the BCS championship game, you had to play at least two OOC games against opponents from two different BCS conferences. I think that would give us a much better picture of who’s legit at the end of the season. It would also exclude teams from non-BCS conferences who go undefeated playing nobody … or, if they can schedule two BCS games, it might give them a real shot.
Of course, I believe this is as likely to happen as a playoff, given the current state of things.
A playoff wouldn't fix the SOS issue though, especially if winning is what gets you into the playoffs.
Teams will still schedule patsies to rest starters.
Who wants to see their teams lose just to rest the starters for the playoffs (cough, Colts). It’s not the same as scheduling a patsy before a big game like UF does, because UF doesn’t have any chance of losing that game. I’m talking about teams that will risk a loss once a playoff spot is secure.
It might if it was a determing factor for who gets in, where they are seeded, bye's,etc
You have to rewards teams for playing tough opponents or they are not gonna do it. Teams are not gonna do something where they only see downside and little to no benefits. If the Colts had something else to gain by playing there starters they probably would have. (Still pissed me off though, lol) If the NFL were offering cap relief, big fat bonuses, or draft picks for perfection maybe they would have thought if worth there wile to play their starters down the stretch.
no, Super Bowl players almost never play in the pro bowl
and sometimes other big name players pass it up too…..but what i want to know is, if you pass on the pro bowl does it still count that you were selected for it? say a player is picked 5 times, but on the 6th time he goes to the SB, is he a 5 time pro bowler or 6 time?
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I disagree. Usually the pro bowl is played in Hawaii AFTER the Super Bowl.
This year they moved it to the Miami sh*t bowl and put the damn thing in there a week before the Super Bowl to distract the SB players. SB players often lpay in Pro Bowls, but I am thinking not this year.
Man you are really down on the Pro Bowl being in Miami. The SB players will not arrive into town until the Pro Bowl is over.
There will be no distractions for the SB player other than the usual kitty galore. The only difference, like you said, is that it is the week before the SB instead of the week after, so SB players will not be able to play in it. I agree it should be a week after the SB, but I am grateful that it is being in So. Fla this year. In future years when not in Hawaii, it will be played in the same city as the SB. While So. Fla is no Hawaii, it is still a better location for the game than 99% of the country. I am going to the game and I will be the one in ’Phins gear waving at you when the camera comes my way.
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most irrelevant all star game of all the pro sports
also the most unfixable. Is that a word? Too bad.
i think theyre trying to make it more relevant being a week before, maybe trying to boost numbers for TV...but who really cares when it is?
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I don't like it being in Miami the weekend before NSD.
Also would prefer to have SB players in it. But I guess who really cares about the NFL PB game? Other than maybe Randy Shannon.
I think a playoff that rewarded conference champs migth help...
some possibly, at least if a team knew they were guaranteed a spot in a playoff by winning their conference, it might relax a team to schedule a little tougher OOC games; like say in a year we get Duke and the ACC is slated to be down more than usual we can pick up some better OOC games and vice versa.
I think if a playoff that just rewards the top 4-8 teams based on rankings still gets you back to weak scheduling IMO. I think any system that just uses rankings without SOS, you’re still going to end up with weak schedules for the most part.
I doubt it.
The argument is that a team that plays a weaker schedule throughout the year doesn’ t have the player attrition that a team with a tougher schedule will have.
The only thing that would deter from the patsies, is having SOS being a significant component of the BCS formula (assuming some BCS is used to determine playoff also)
Example: Utah vs Alabama.
Right.
More chance of injuries playing better teams.
More game time practice for backups when playing patsies.
Rest for starters before tough in-conference matchups.
Unless you put SoS as part of a playoff formula, you still get weak OOC games for the reasons above.
When the BCS took out the SOS component they helped all the big teams
it was a complete overreaction on the BCS’ part b/c we went to the title game ahead of Miami in 2000 (season). All they had to do was tweak the formula to factor in head-to-head somehow for situations like that (mind you Miami also lost to a 1 loss Washington team that year).
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Bring on the Sun Belt
Whether fans like it or not, the final record is everything. Destroying a 1-AA and a couple Sun Belt teams, plus UF, is better for the program in so many ways it’s hard to understand how an A.D. could conclude a difficult schedule is worth it.
More home games result more money for the athletic department (not just football).
More easy wins result in more playing time for more players, which helps with player development.
Better records equals higher rankings, which makes the recruiting pitch easier.
Better records equals better bowl placement = more money for the athletic department.
I think the last two are probably the most important IMO. Pollsters mostly vote by name recognition and record, but the bowls generally slot the bowls by record too. I do not believe I have ever heard of a bowl committee select and 7-5 team over an 9-3 due to strength of schedule (our appearance in the Gator Bowl being an unusual exception).
Besides, in almost any given year, if we win the ACC and beat UF, we’ll be in the MNC talk at the end of the year.
Foosball is the devil
No argument here
I’ve been in support of changing the schedule for some time. What’s interesting is the whole “You can’t get to Nat Champ game by winning ACC and beating UF bc the ACC is garbage.”
Well, just from this list (I’m sure Clemson qualifies as well having played Ga Tch twice and TCU) the ACC has 6 teams with schedules inside the top 15, so I’d have to say 1) You’re incorrect in stating that ACC is garbage bc they play arguably the toughest schedules in the nation and 2) If you want to see the ‘perception’ of the ACC as a better conference, tell them to schedule smarter from top to bottom like all the others do. The wins will begin piling up, and the ACC will be seen as elite once more.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 19, 2010 7:31 AM EST reply actions
Perception
The problem is not that the ACC is weak, but that GameDay and the sports writing community are convinced that the ACC is weak, and they aren’t afraid to say it. It’s not the facts, it’s perception, and that’s what shapes the polls.
However, I think you are right that if the ACC as a conference scheduled better, the wins would pile up and we’d change perception. In particular, the ACC’s perceived powers need to do this right away. I’m talking about us, Va Tech, Miami, and perhaps Ga Tech and Clemson.
The ACC is not a bad conference but does not have anybody to carry the banner. Everytime the ACC gets in a big game with a chance to show it belongs it falls on it’s face.
Ryno, I agree with you to a certain extent
But if we significantly weaken the schedule (which I’m in favor of doing, BTW) and you end up with a situation likened to 2009, FSU would’ve been on the outside looking in, Cincinnati style.
However, I’m willing to bet that it’ll be a while before we see that many more undefeateds at the end of the year, so obviously changing our mentality to take advantage of the system is a smart move.
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 19, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Need to get over
the concept that we are Boise State. We prob will be on the outside looking in when we finally get back to being an elite team. But, we’ll start the year after that at a higher preseason ranking which puts us right in the mix for a shot at the championship. These are basic fundamentals of college football.
Do not agree
Three cupcakes, plus a top 15 Ga Tech, top 20 Clemson, another top 15 Ga Tech/Va Tech in ACCCG, then #2 UF? We would easily be playing Bama in the NC game. Oh, a boy can only dream….
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by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 19, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
Consistently losing our BCS bowl games is killing us...
2-10 the last 12 years, one of which was our win over VaTech way back in 99, and not a single at-large bid, we’ve got to start winning those things, we may send more teams to bowl games every year but that BCS game is really the only one that counts.
Also
I love how the ‘related fanshots’ for this article is FSU v USF in 2009. As if we needed further evidence on what not to do.
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by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 19, 2010 7:33 AM EST reply actions
I laughed at that too
Speak softly, and carry a big Spear
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 19, 2010 7:54 AM EST up reply actions
I don't agree.
Playing cupcakes is so boring. The Gators have tried this for years and their fans don’t like it. They pay alot of money for season tickets to watch three good home games and either give the others away or go until about half time. These games are not on tv so there is no other option for them. I love the idea of of playing more teams in the medium of the pack for ocs. That is where BYU was supposed to be and were Alabama was when we played them. When you do lose to a USF or perform horribly against JSU, you are the laughing stock of the NCAA.
We should concentrate on having a team that is good enough to take on any schedule and realize that the ACC is not all that strong right now. Your line of thinking has Boise State with a recruiting class ranked #79 today and TCU ranked #45. If we go on national tv and beat any one of the ND, USC, Texas, Penn State, UF or Miama we are better off than going 12-1 and ending up number 6.
Are you serious?
UF fans have no problem playing the cupcakes, they even talk about their points scored like they played a powerhouse team. The games are almost always on TV as well since the usually come early in the season. And fans are not leaving the swamp at halftime. That stadium is packed every game, even when they play citadel.
How exactly are we better off playing and beating one of the teams you named than finishing 12-1? A one loss season can get you in the title game. A one loss season can lead to you starting off the next season in a position to make the title game. Going 9-4 with a big OOC win gets you nothing. You end up like UGA or LSU, sitting around with a lot of talent and somehow never winning the big win. The ACC also finished with 4 teams in the AP top 25 and if FSU would have ran the table this year they would have played 3 of them and UF. That is a better schedule than UT and Bama. You should look at the facts instead of just repeating the same thing from the 90s.
by osceolafan850 on Jan 19, 2010 7:52 AM EST up reply actions
They also won 2 NC in 4 years
Speak softly, and carry a big Spear
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 19, 2010 7:55 AM EST up reply actions
It doesn't matter whether they love it
they pay to support wins which UF gives them and they do it every single year.
Their fans LOVE it....
they are donating at a record pace as well as buying season tickets at a record pace.
Not to mention they are winning titles and we are going .500.
Don’t let the facts fool you.
Seriously?
we are better off than going 12-1 and ending up number 6
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
Fans just want to win
I don’t think most people care who it is against nowadays, winning is winning.
I know you can fight. But it's our wits that make us men.
Jbeau, meet smogden....smogden, meet Jbeau
I think you guys will get along…
by Pinto on Jan 19, 2010 9:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think smogden actually came around to acknowledging that cupcakes are good for the program
even though, as selfish fans, we’d like to see great teams play each other every weekend.
I would like to take a bit of credit for that
*pats self on back.
You need to seriously compromise your argument to have any chance.
The days of playing Michigan, Notre Dame, USC, et al, sadly are over. I sympathize because it does suck, not because you’re an idiot, but because voters are idiots. So while the rest of TN celebrates, I agree it’s a sad day.
But hey, they speak of reality, and your argument is dated. I guarantee that Florida State will serve up an occassional OOC game with mid-marquee potential to complement the cupcakes. You’ll be happy. But we’ll never travel out of the region again, and we’ll never again put an undefeated season on the line against an OOC opponent other than UF. Florida State scheduled brilliantly in it’s hay day and allowed an afterthought of a football program to establish a fanbase that a farce like Boise State can only dream of. You don’t deserve to be called an idiot. However, it may have cost a few national championships. Now it’s time to get them back.
by TRMNole on Jan 19, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I'd like to play everyone
but only if it didn’t kill our chances within the system.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 19, 2010 9:58 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
There's nothing boring about winning games
And competing for championships.
by FloridaStateJay on Jan 19, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
I don't remember
getting bored when we were beating ACC teams in the 90’s like red headed stepchildren…
Not to get all raysnnoles on you
but seriously, this has been argued to DEATH. Read all the great stuff this site has to offer, then make this claim.
I was quoting JBeau
If you think that is my line of thinking where have you been over the last week or so.
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
I’m a die-hard Seminole but I go to UF and I’ve been to various games (my ex-gf’s dad was a kicker).
Against Western Kentucky (2007), the stadium was packed until they ended the game early.
Against Troy and FAU (2007), the upper part of the stadium had a few less people but not by many.
Against UM (2008), the stadium was packed, even when we were told to wear white and the fact that it poured the entire day. Paused for a bit in the second quarter and then poured again during halftime. I still had to stand up the entire game.
Trust me. The Swamp is packed for the entire game.
As a slight aside, I wish I were an FSU student where there’s only a lottery to get a ticket. To get a ticket for UF, you have to have your name pulled in the lottery and pay for the tickets.
There used to be a lottery
but we started losing and students lost interest and could care less about going to games especially if it is a noon start. FSU students pay for their tickets just like UF, they put it into your tuition.
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
It is nothing short of IDIOTIC to schedule tough...
unfortunately, FSU has an admin and a good amount of fans who are just that.
This isn’t college basketball….in football, there is no reward for a tough schedule 99% of the time.
FSUn excellent article
I agree 100% with the basis of the article. You can’t get mad at teams for playing the schelduling game becuase it’s been proven time and time again to be advantageous.
I think there tends to be a disconnect among some of the people of this board and other places about this process because of their desire to see legitmate competition especially when they pay and travel to go to games at DCS and the some what justifiable feeling that this process rigs the deck and ensures the same teams in the same conferences are the key players at the end of every season.
But it would not be in our best intrest to continue to schedule tough for the spirtit of competition or out of some misplaced principal while our contemporaries’ don’t and our rewarded for it with MNC and BCS games.
To me this is process is more a referendum on the BCS, the lack of playoffs and more importantly the amount of uninformed, lazy and unqualified voters in the press who only skim the W/L colum and boxscore and don’t take into account SOS among other things.
Not to mention the hacks on TV who not so coincidently more often than not it seems have a vote in the polls. These guys never mention SOS and how the game’s being adversely influenced by the lack of incentive to schedule tougher.
What’s even funnier is these same idiots will get on the air and talk about the strength of a conference, usually the SEC and tout their dominance out side of said conference (without any context) as proof of their superiority, failing to disclose or discuss the quality of the oppents, location, etc. Hey Mark May yeah they have an .850 win percentage out of conference but when you realize it’s home games against the likes of FIU and NMst. it looses some of it’s luster, lol.
by nappygoat on Jan 19, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think there are a few disconnects.
A) This is an argument TN can win without calling people idiots. No, I’m not being nice guy police; my point is that there is a major PR move required to sway folks here. And I’m talking about well-intentioned people that just need some educating, not evil Bowdenites who existed only to bring down our program and start fights on messageboards. Part of FSU’s history, tradition, and legacy is playing these games. Period. These people aren’t idiots. They just need to see the numbers and think it out a little bit. It won’t happen immediately upon reading an article. They may want to have it out a few rounds, and even then, they probably won’t admit they were wrong with their next keystrokes.
2) As I’ve stated before, sometimes there just isn’t much of an argument. Once the folks in (A) realize (or are willing to admit) that FSU isn’t travelling west of the Mississippi and can’t afford to put its season on the line against other heavyweights that don’t have a tough OOC rival, they’re going to want a compromise. Nothing wrong with a fan that likes the WVU match-up once they’re willing to concede that dropping the likes of OU, BYU, and Air Force are no-brainers. I know it’s frustrating getting some to that point. See (A).
D) TN is celebrating this! The system has won and FSU is watering down its schedule! The people in charge of college football have further eroded the fan experience! That’s not a happy day for a lot of people. Applaud the necessary change? Yes. Break open the freezer and pour shots of Jager for the entire blog? No. Well, maybe. Okay, bad example. I could see some contention in which a lot of folks would rather see a better balance between lauding the changes at FSU and demanding changes at the NCAA and among the voters.
by TRMNole on Jan 19, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
TRM I'm glad you're back
I agree with this. I like big games. Everyone does. But I don’t like being disrespected because I play big games.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 19, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
TRM great post
more tact and avoiding speaking in absolutes are almost always best for healthy debate and dialogue. I think for the most part it boils down to this: almost all fans don’t exactly like the way top teams now schedule but most are resigned to the fact that in order to compete with and be considered elite it makes far and away the most sense the way the system in currently constructed. I think a lot of the people that don’t agree with this sentiment are either not looking at and weighing the longterm benefits of it or value the experience more than the outcome (which they have every right to), but that’s just my view on it.
To me the onus still falls on the system in which the programs and coaches have to operate in. No playoffs and a BCS systems which dosen’t properly account for SOS and is influenced heavely by voters who only reward W/L’s without any regard for the strength of your opposition.
It's all about
holding the BCS trophy at the end……Play within the rules and be rewarded with recruits and bragging rights
It's just the changing times and how to be a winner
When Bobby played anyone, anywhere, at anytime in the 1970s and early 80s that was the proper way to build a program. It was the only way to get on TV and gain exposure for your program. Remember, there was no internet, no cable TV, and few games were put on TV. Plus, the scholarship rules and freshmen playing rules were different then.
In the modern era, I would point to two programs that choose divergent paths in building their program. The first is Fresno State. They play in the same conference as Boise State, but play a much harder schedule at the beginning of their season. By the time their season is over, the team is beat up and usually finishes with 4-5 loses.
The other is Kansas State. Many people may not realize this, but Kansas State was probably the worst football program in the nation during the 1970s and 1980s. They were so bad, I can’t even think of a modern equivalent (maybe the bottom of the Sun Belt). However, Bill Snyder came in during the late 80s, started scheduling 1-AA to ensure the team would win more games, and built up a very respectable program for the location and resources available there.
FSU sits in the heart of the best recruiting area in the world. If Jimbo wins 8-11 games a season, the recruiting and revenue will take care of itself. We need to follow the Bill Snyder model and get a consistent winner back, because the old way, the Fresno State method, does not work.
Foosball is the devil
by IAHNole on Jan 19, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
TRMNole, Nicely done and REC. But I think Jager Bombs all around for the entire blog would not be so bad.
We’ll just give you the Red Bull sans Jager. {;-) (that’s a uni-brow wink just for you)
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That would work. Since ditching alcohol in '04, I've been forced to master the DBA.
Drunk By Association. It works.
Future OOC Changes?
I’m encouraged that Jimbo plans smart OOC scheduling. However, FSU is scheduled in the ‘old way’ through 2012 (UF, WVU, USF, Air Force) and even partially in 2013 (UF, WVU). Any chance we see FSU back out of these future commitments to get the OOC schedule the way Jimbo wants it? As it currently stands, Jimbo wouldn’t get the schedule he wants for another five seasons (2014).
by MU Seminole on Jan 20, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
I predict that he will back out of commitments starting in 2011
He’ll get his schedule much more quickly than five years
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Great write up!
Reading this article just reaffirms how screwed up our current system is. It’s easy to scowl at this fact given our recent SOS, but thankfully Fisher is righting the ship to play the system to our advantage.
The BCS forced the weak schedules
When the BCS first started, strength of schedule was figured in to the computer rankings. Several (I don’t know how many) years ago the formula was revised and strength of schedule was dropped from the stats that are taken in to account.
When SoS was dropped – the result was inevitable – teams were going to get away with as weak a schedule as possible.
Schedule Strength
When SoS was dropped – the result was inevitable – teams were going to get away with as weak a schedule as possible.
And yet, our Admin couldn’t figure that out despite what the many playstation all-americans were screaming over. Oh a change, I say a change is gonna come…
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 19, 2010 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
I think they scheduled that way to try and put people in the seats. Unfortunately they didn’t realize that winning does that too. Or maybe they are smarter than we all think and they realized that an extra loss or two would help us get rid of Bobby.
Ha!
evenflow…master of conspiracies.
As creative and insightful as that thought is, I highly doubt it. It did make me laugh out loud, though. Awesome.
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 19, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
happened following the 2000 season
it was an overreaction to us being in the championship game over Miami (vs. OU).
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"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
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remove BYU, USF and replace with Troy State and SMU or Baylor. Good for some Texas players to watch us play while we still get an easy game.
2010 Seminoles. National Champions in my heart.
oh and both those games should be at home
2010 Seminoles. National Champions in my heart.
We would've lost to Troy
Remove BYU and replace them with FIU
Remove USF and replace them with Chattanooga
by FloridaStateJay on Jan 19, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
yeah maybe troy is bad example.
i would like to play FIU. I still would like to play a softie from somewhere that has some fertile recruiting just to help us get our name out there to players who might not otherwise see us. that is one reason why SMU would be good. it is in a huge market and i’m assuming the game would be televised if it didn’t conflict with a texas game. Just a thought. It really doesn’t matter who, as long as it is a guaranteed win.
2010 Seminoles. National Champions in my heart.
by nolewhacker on Jan 19, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Why play a bowl team? Much less a bowl winning team?
Play FIU, Arkansas St, Chattanooga, etc.
And play them at home.
365 days, until I change my ways.
or Rice
2010 Seminoles. National Champions in my heart.
by nolewhacker on Jan 19, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Wasn't Maine on in place of USF?
If so, there’s your answer. Maine, or an equivalent.
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by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 19, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
I didn't know the game was an afterthought.
Was it scheduled 2 years prior or after USF had made their presence known. Did they really replace Maine?
We scheduled it summer of 2009
yes they replaced Maine. Spetman is a moron.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 19, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
He may be a nice man and a good man but he is very much in over his head.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 19, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
Do you think someone makes a play at some point to ouster him
Boosters maybe? Jimbo even?
Hire someone with a brain at president....
and then he will see FSU has a JUCO AD running FSU.
Seriously, the USF game AFTER the BYU game was insane. Spetman needs to be fired.
Maine was replaced by Jacksonville St. for 2009
the move happened when the ACC/ESPN forced us to play Miami on Labour Day when we had Maine scheduled for opening week.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
Correct. I think the USF home and away was scheduled previously.
We had to scramble to replace Maine, who was our scheduled 1st game of the season, when the ACC forced asked nicely for us to move scUM to Labor Day.
Labour Day? Are you a Mr. Fancy Pants and shirts with ruffles wearer? ;)
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I'm Canadian.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
You dont think we have to see the USF thing out?
I would like to think we wouldnt lose again. On top of that, I would really prefer to avoid all the negative press we would recieve for ducking them after they beat us. Personally, would like to play it, thrash them, and dismiss the loss as an anomaly.
I do like the idea based on adding a home game however.
This is kind of hard to read but here’s the chart sorted by SOS rank. Not surprisingly most of your SOS strength is created by your conference. This chart does illistrate how non-BCS schools really shouldn’t be considered for the BCS and that shouldn’t change until a playoff format is implemented.
SOS Rk Team FBS W FBS L Winning % SOS Rank Conference
1 Tennessee 7 6 0.5385 0.036 38 SEC
2 Arkansas 7 5 0.5833 0.041 26 SEC
3 South Carolina 6 6 0.5000 0.043 44 SEC
4 LSU 9 4 0.6923 0.046 17 SEC
5 Florida State 6 6 0.5000 0.05 24 ACC
6 Mississippi State 4 7 0.3636 0.065 43 SEC
7 Florida International 3 9 0.2500 0.084 106 Sun Belt
8 Virginia 3 8 0.2727 0.085 56 ACC
9 North Carolina 6 5 0.5455 0.087 15 ACC
10 Virginia Tech 10 3 0.7692 0.087 3 ACC
11 Georgia Tech 10 3 0.7692 0.087 5 ACC
12 Alabama 13 0 1.0000 0.089 1 SEC
13 Miami 8 4 0.6667 0.089 10 ACC
14 Kentucky 6 6 0.5000 0.091 45 SEC
15 Florida 12 1 0.9231 0.105 2 SEC
16 Vanderbilt 1 10 0.0909 0.106 72 SEC
17 Auburn 7 5 0.5833 0.106 32 SEC
18 Georgia 7 5 0.5833 0.117 30 SEC
19 Clemson 8 5 0.6154 0.118 13 ACC
20 Iowa 10 2 0.8333 0.129 7 Big Ten
21 Minnesota 5 7 0.4167 0.13 53 Big Ten
22 Wake Forest 4 7 0.3636 0.13 46 ACC
23 USC 9 4 0.6923 0.131 23 PAC-10
24 Arizona 7 5 0.5833 0.132 29 PAC-10
25 North Carolina State 3 7 0.3000 0.133 64 ACC
26 Boston College 7 5 0.5833 0.134 34 ACC
27 Oregon 10 3 0.7692 0.154 9 PAC-10
28 Oklahoma 7 5 0.5833 0.159 21 Big XII
29 Duke 4 6 0.4000 0.16 69 ACC
30 Indiana 3 8 0.2727 0.165 73 Big Ten
31 Mississippi 7 4 0.6364 0.169 28 SEC
32 Michigan 4 7 0.3636 0.172 59 Big Ten
33 Cincinnati 11 1 0.9167 0.175 14 Big East
34 Washington 5 7 0.4167 0.176 58 PAC-10
35 UCLA 7 6 0.5385 0.177 50 PAC-10
36 South Florida 6 5 0.5455 0.18 57 Big East
37 Connecticut 7 5 0.5833 0.183 25 Big East
38 Texas 13 1 0.9286 0.188 6 Big Ten
39 Washington State 1 11 0.0833 0.197 117 PAC-10
40 Syracuse 3 8 0.2727 0.199 85 Big East
41 Arizona State 3 8 0.2727 0.202 60 PAC-10
42 Nebraska 10 4 0.7143 0.204 20 Big XII
43 Michigan State 5 7 0.4167 0.206 41 PAC-10
44 Ohio State 11 2 0.8462 0.206 4 Big Ten
45 Illinois 2 9 0.1818 0.207 80 Big Ten
46 California 7 5 0.5833 0.212 51 PAC-10
47 Oregon State 7 5 0.5833 0.212 27 PAC-10
48 Stanford 8 5 0.6154 0.215 19 PAC-10
49 Louisville 3 8 0.2727 0.217 86 Big East
50 Navy 9 4 0.6923 0.221 37 Ind
51 Texas Tech 8 4 0.6667 0.222 18 Big XII
52 Purdue 5 7 0.4167 0.222 48 Big Ten
53 Notre Dame 6 6 0.5000 0.224 31 Ind
54 North Texas 2 10 0.1667 0.224 102 Sun Belt
55 Wisconsin 9 3 0.7500 0.225 22 Big Ten
56 Troy 9 4 0.6923 0.249 84 Sun Belt
57 Baylor 3 8 0.2727 0.255 87 Big XII
58 Utah 10 3 0.7692 0.255 49 Mountain West
59 Northwestern 7 5 0.5833 0.258 47 Big Ten
60 West Virginia 8 4 0.6667 0.259 33 Big East
61 Kansas 4 7 0.3636 0.262 62 Big XII
62 Maryland 1 10 0.0909 0.264 70 ACC
63 Texas A&M 6 7 0.4615 0.266 68 Big XII
64 East Carolina 8 5 0.6154 0.269 54 CUSA
65 San Jose State 1 10 0.0909 0.28 118 WAC
66 Kansas State 4 6 0.4000 0.286 75 Big XII
67 Penn State 10 2 0.8333 0.291 12 Big Ten
68 Colorado 3 9 0.2500 0.294 83 Big XII
69 New Mexico 1 11 0.0833 0.295 111 Mountain West
70 TCU 11 1 0.9167 0.308 8 Mountain West
71 Oklahoma State 8 4 0.6667 0.31 42 Big XII
72 New Mexico State 2 10 0.1667 0.317 120 WAC
73 Pittsburgh 9 3 0.7500 0.329 11 Big East
74 Louisiana Tech 3 8 0.2727 0.334 79 WAC
75 Central Florida 7 5 0.5833 0.335 74 CUSA
76 Fresno State 7 5 0.5833 0.349 81 WAC
77 Marshall 6 6 0.5000 0.351 82 CUSA
78 Arkansas State 3 8 0.2727 0.357 103 Sun Belt
79 Wyoming 6 6 0.5000 0.359 108 Mountain West
80 Air Force 7 5 0.5833 0.369 40 Mountain West
81 Miami (OH) 1 11 0.0833 0.373 109 MAC
82 UNLV 4 7 0.3636 0.379 101 Mountain West
83 Rice 2 10 0.1667 0.383 119 CUSA
84 Rutgers 7 4 0.6364 0.392 52 Big East
85 Iowa State 6 6 0.5000 0.397 76 Big XII
86 Colorado State 2 9 0.1818 0.408 97 Mountain West
87 SMU 7 5 0.5833 0.414 67 Conference
88 Louisiana Monroe 5 6 0.4545 0.42 110 Sun Belt
89 Louisiana Lafayette 5 6 0.4545 0.424 113 Sun Belt
90 Akron 2 9 0.1818 0.436 99 MAC
91 Temple 9 3 0.7500 0.436 55 MAC
92 BYU 11 2 0.8462 0.445 35 Mountain West
93 Eastern Michigan 0 12 0.0000 0.445 115 mac
94 San Diego State 3 8 0.2727 0.446 104 Mountain West
95 Nevada 8 5 0.6154 0.448 93 WAC
96 UTEP 4 8 0.3333 0.454 91 CUSA
97 Toledo 5 7 0.4167 0.458 98 MAC
98 Northern Illinois 6 6 0.5000 0.458 65 MAC
99 Missouri 7 5 0.5833 0.461 61 Big XII
100 Memphis 1 10 0.0909 0.465 105 CUSA
101 Central Michigan 11 2 0.8462 0.469 36 MAC
102 Tulsa 4 7 0.3636 0.472 88 CUSA
103 Houston 9 4 0.6923 0.501 39 CUSA
104 Boise State 13 0 1.0000 0.511 16 WAC
105 Idaho 8 5 0.6154 0.516 100 WAC
106 Utah State 3 8 0.2727 0.521 94 WAC
107 Tulane 2 9 0.1818 0.522 116 CUSA
108 Middle Tennessee 10 3 0.7692 0.527 77 Sun Belt
109 Florida Atlantic 5 7 0.4167 0.53 107 Sun Belt
110 Hawaii 5 7 0.4167 0.581 114 WAC
111 Ball State 2 9 0.1818 0.585 92 MAC
112 UAB 5 7 0.4167 0.586 96 CUSA
113 Western Kentucky 0 11 0.0000 0.59 112 Sun Belt
114 Ohio 8 5 0.6154 0.591 63 MAC
115 Buffalo 4 7 0.3636 0.599 71 MAC
116 Bowling Green 7 6 0.5385 0.616 78 MAC
117 Kent State 4 7 0.3636 0.627 89 MAC
118 Southern Mississippi 6 6 0.5000 0.638 66 CUSA
119 Western Michigan 4 7 0.3636 0.643 90 MAC
120 Army 4 7 0.3636 0.654 95 Ind
i dont get it?
why cant we just play the biggest teams? back when Bobby invented football we would play anyone, anywhere, we even played the Harlem Globetrotters….in Harlem! we should be playing the Saints, Colts, Yankees, Mark McGuire, everyone! no more cupcake teams…and who cares if we win? football isnt about winning, its about doing black-out games, white-out games and other color coordinated events. another point, im tired of hearing people say we need to sell out Doak, I like it half full, theres more room to stretch out and count all those bricks
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by NorFla_Nole on Jan 19, 2010 9:28 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
Bravo NorFla
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 19, 2010 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
FSU wasn't bad because of our strength of schedule.
We were bad because of we had inferior recruiting and poor coaching. IMO we can get better recruits with quality wins and quality wins with better recruiting. It will be a process and not happen overnight. I agree we do need wins.
If we are Boise State or TCU, this line of thinking may keep you in the top ten but doesn’t help with recruiting. Boise State has 0 – 5 star recruits and 1 – 4 star. We can’t dodge UF and have to compete with them on the field to be able to compete with them on recruiting.
If our goal is to win Championships we will have to play someone eventually.
You are right
If our goal is to win Championships we will have to play someone eventually.
We can play someone in the BCS Championship after we go undefeated during the year…
They don't play UF, we do
And their conferences aren’t as strong as the ACC. They are non-BCS, so right away they have that going against them. If we go undefeated in the ACC and beat UF, that should be enough to get us in the BCSCG. Boise and TCU would need to go undefeated AND for a lot of other teams to lose a lot of games for them to play in the BCSCG.
OK, I concede there.
But we still have to get past UF to get the the NC game. Can we recruit well enough with 11-1 seasons to ever be better than the Gators?
that's an entirely different argument
FSU plays the 5th toughest schedule in the country!
by Bud Elliott on Jan 19, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Little faith
It won’t happen in year 1 of the Jimbo Era but I think we will. Plus, it will be interesting to see if UF can do it without Timmy.
BCS Conference
There is no comparison because they are not in a BCS conference. That is their fault, move to a big boy conference if you think you can play with the big boys. Stop whining about it.
You can’t argue with UF’s blueprint for championships and scheduling. Respect does not equal championships.
You will play good teams
We will always play Miami, Clemson, and UF. That’s three top 25 teams. If you win your division, you will likely play a top 20 team in ACCCG, then a top 10 team in BCS bowl. That is enough meat on our schedule to win championships.
The rest of the OOC schedule should be based solely on risk aversion, because all teams have letdowns throughout the season. Although, I like nolewhacker’s comment on playing low level Texas teams.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 19, 2010 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
Would you agree with
playing a much inferior team that should be a certain win but still a team that we have heard of and maybe even know the name of their mascot. Or does it have to be someone that an average 3A Florida high school team could beat on any given Friday night?
Has to be someone for whom you don't have to seriously prep
Meaning a bottom 30 team Here:
89 Kent State 4-7 -.102 87 -.047 76 .627 117 -.315 99 -.330 106 -.237 31 -.048 52 .475 92
90 Western Michigan 4-7 -.107 89 -.052 80 .643 119 -.116 77 -.279 99 .059 65 .125 76 .511 43
Rank Team FBS
W-L FEI Last
Wk GE GE
Rk SOS SOS
Rk OE OE
Rk Off
FEI OFEI
Rk DE DE
Rk Def
FEI DFEI
Rk FPA FPA
Rk
91 UTEP 4-8 -.112 92 -.048 78 .454 96 .271 25 .162 36 .295 98 .306 98 .465 106
92 Ball State 2-9 -.118 93 -.097 91 .585 111 -.327 102 -.332 107 .112 78 .172 85 .494 65
93 Nevada 8-5 -.120 78 .021 51 .448 95 .656 3 .042 53 .447 111 .592 115 .505 54
94 Utah State 3-8 -.123 94 -.071 84 .521 106 -.003 59 -.155 83 .553 116 .548 114 .525 28
95 Army 4-7 -.127 95 -.076 87 .654 120 -.471 116 -.511 118 -.244 30 -.113 45 .476 90
96 UAB 5-7 -.128 96 -.067 81 .586 112 .315 22 -.020 63 .351 101 .309 99 .474 94
97 Colorado State 2-9 -.140 97 -.115 99 .408 86 -.021 62 -.050 70 .368 106 .404 109 .481 82
98 Toledo 5-7 -.157 98 -.117 100 .458 97 .137 37 .013 59 .249 95 .405 110 .445 112
99 Akron 2-9 -.162 99 -.161 109 .436 90 -.421 113 -.367 110 .161 85 .181 86 .471 99
100 Idaho 8-5 -.166 100 -.044 74 .516 105 .653 4 .369 14 .522 113 .713 119 .467 103
101 UNLV 4-7 -.170 101 -.115 98 .379 82 .082 42 -.065 73 .561 117 .599 117 .515 38
102 North Texas 2-10 -.173 102 -.113 96 .224 54 -.029 64 -.130 78 .296 99 .397 108 .473 96
103 Arkansas State 3-8 -.174 103 -.099 92 .357 78 -.354 105 -.499 117 .226 91 .336 102 .518 34
104 San Diego State 3-8 -.184 106 -.141 106 .446 94 -.123 80 -.202 93 .173 86 .252 93 .445 113
105 Memphis 1-10 -.185 104 -.218 113 .465 100 -.252 92 -.195 91 .512 112 .383 104 .474 95
Rank Team FBS
W-L FEI Last
Wk GE GE
Rk SOS SOS
Rk OE OE
Rk Off
FEI OFEI
Rk DE DE
Rk Def
FEI DFEI
Rk FPA FPA
Rk
106 Florida International 3-9 -.186 107 -.127 103 .084 7 -.251 91 -.407 112 .381 107 .415 111 .502 57
107 Florida Atlantic 5-7 -.193 108 -.092 89 .530 109 .345 17 .088 42 .654 119 .889 120 .496 64
108 Wyoming 6-6 -.193 112 -.150 107 .359 79 -.375 108 -.633 119 .082 71 .073 71 .479 85
109 Miami (OH) 1-11 -.193 105 -.228 114 .373 81 -.399 109 -.309 103 .240 94 .147 80 .421 119
110 Louisiana Monroe 5-6 -.200 109 -.108 94 .420 88 -.176 86 -.469 114 .002 58 .167 84 .470 100
111 New Mexico 1-11 -.208 110 -.204 112 .295 69 -.414 112 -.369 111 .292 96 .256 94 .449 111
112 Western Kentucky 0-11 -.213 113 -.196 111 .590 113 -.085 72 -.108 77 .622 118 .595 116 .465 105
113 Louisiana Lafayette 5-6 -.213 114 -.125 102 .424 89 -.151 83 -.349 109 .132 80 .349 103 .450 110
114 Hawaii 5-7 -.218 111 -.150 108 .581 110 -.026 63 -.228 95 .342 100 .519 112 .479 86
115 Eastern Michigan 0-12 -.234 115 -.273 117 .445 93 -.411 111 -.295 100 .746 120 .623 118 .475 91
116 Tulane 2-9 -.246 117 -.266 115 .522 107 -.271 96 -.219 94 .363 104 .294 97 .400 120
117 Washington State 1-11 -.247 116 -.342 120 .197 39 -.659 119 -.472 115 .421 109 .237 90 .421 118
118 San Jose State 1-10 -.263 118 -.270 116 .280 65 -.486 117 -.492 116 .424 110 .386 105 .439 115
119 Rice 2-10 -.285 119 -.321 119 .383 83 -.423 114 -.344 108 .539 115 .389 107 .428 116
120 New Mexico State 2-10 -.312 120 -.308 118 .317 72 -.764 120 -.804 120 .364 105 .332 101 .478 88
by Bud Elliott on Jan 19, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
So would it be good to schedule some of these bottom 30 teams that are in good recruiting areas
so that we can at least get some more exposure. I know winning more games will eventually solve national exposure issue and that we should lock down FL recruiting before moving elsewhere but to me it would be a secondary motivation to play teams in big cities or with great HS football.
2010 Seminoles. National Champions in my heart.
nope
If Boise, we go 11-1 during the season with a loss to Oregon to start the year. . . and then get beat by TCU in the BCS Bowl game, and then everyone celebrates that we are back and will be in the title game next year!
Recruiting dramatically increases, Season tickets sales dramatically increase, and dare-I-say, there would be much more excitement in Tallahassee than there is currently.
by freshcollegeboy on Jan 19, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
I think we could hang with Oregon played at Doak
TCU might be another story
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
Sorry, should be spread option….and I didn’t mean to sound like a jerk. Hope it didn’t come off that way.
I don't care what O they play, Ponder could have kept up the scoring pace
we would’ve been in the game, if we didn’t win it outright.
Boise & TCU do not recruit from Florida and do not have the FSU dynasty legacy
Explain how bama, UF, UT, USC, and the others get top recruits playing cupcake OOC schedules. You are only looking at half the data to say that weak OOC produces poor recruiting results if you put the blinders on and only look at TCU and Boise.
reminds me of a guy I went to school with...
he bragged about having a Porsche… looked down on the rest of us with a Ford, Chevy, Honda, etc… He had keychains, hats, wore a jacket. The problem was… it was 12yrs old and the seats were ripped and trimming was missing, paint faded, and he only had am/fm radio that was limited due to no antenna. He could of fixed it up, but he was so strapped due to insurance and gas costs. I enjoyed my new Ford and the seats were nice and I had some good stereo system going as well. If the “fluff” is all we want, and I concede, the “fluff” is what we will get, then 10-2 will sound pretty good. That is until the Game Day crew STILL bashes us and talks up the SEC and Big 12 and Big 10 plus 2 when they expand eventually. FSU’s season will come down to the final game against Florida and I guess everybody can wait for that Saturday. To be honest, I can see FSU beating Florida, both winning the conference title games, and FLORIDA getting the nod for the BCS title game. Oh well, we can all debate it, just like the good ol’ days of debating Bobby’s fate (seems like only 2 months ago!) but Jimbo and gang wants to pile up some early wins and feel confident enough that nobody will peek inside and see the reality is not as impressive as the stats… kinda like my friends Porsche.
tired of being pissed... time to move on. Once a SEMINOLE, Always a 'Nole!
I think FSU, when good, is immune from some of the ACC stuff due to the last 25 years
When we beat UF I want it to matter. I don’t want a 10-2 record with a UF win. I want me free wins just like everyone else.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 19, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
yep, thankfully the name Florida State still carries alot of weight
We win enough games we will not be denied are chance at a title. If we were in Auburn’s shoes a few years back I betcha we get in that title game somehow.
Wouldn't happen
If FSU and UF have the same record at the end of the year but FSU has beaten UF then FSU goes. For all the ACC is weak talk in the 07, 08 and 09 seasons the ACC has ended every year with 3 or 4 teams ranked in the AP. Every year FSU is pretty much guaranteed to play at least 2 ranked teams, possibly as many 5. No way that a team that beat that many ranked teams gets left out.
Also we know from previous shows that Gameday would not bash that season. They were all over TCU, BYU, Utah and Boise State even with their easy schedules. They slobbered all over USC when they were running over a weak Pac 10. They praised Ohio State for running through an inferior Big 10 a couple of years ago. Why would things change when the team is FSU?
by osceolafan850 on Jan 19, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Our pre-ACC independent years...
You know I think something people seem to forget when they refer to the Bowden years of the play anyone/anytime/anywhere philosophy, was that those were during our pre-ACC days when basically our entire schedule was pretty much a blank slate, so that’s why you saw a variety of teams year in and year out,
For every Nebraska, Ohio State, Notre Dame, there was a Tulane or Memphis State or some other patsie filling the schedule as well.
I think there is a perception, or maybe it’s just me, that because our ACC slate is pretty much the same every year, coupled with the media perception of the ACC being a weak conference to begin with that playing say a 10th ranked Clemson team isn’t considered as flashy as say playing a 10th ranked LSU or Oklahoma or Oregon.
When you look back at some of those years(Bowden years) I think you’ll notice that our schedules aren’t necessarily much different strength wise, just a little more flashy and varietal IMO.
by karmanole on Jan 19, 2010 3:53 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Right...A huge boost or hindrance depends on the coastal opponents that we schedule
For instance, we played UNC and GT this year. That’s a little different than having UVA and Duke on the schedule.
I also agree with your statement about playing a #10 Clemson team. I dunno if it’s so much the ACC, but beating a #10 Clemson team is beating a team that will eventually choke.
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 19, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
while we're talking about scheduling...
how about playing a cupcake the weekend before UF, as they do before playing us?
On a side note: It’s funny because I remember back in the 90’s, when we would beat UF, their fans would cry that they were banged up because of the schedule they had to play before meeting up with us. Of course now they essentially have a bye week before our game.
you definitely schedule one of your cupcakes then
sets up your stretch run of UF, acccg, natcg. UF & Bama are both smart to do it. Difference is that they’re scheduling to win nat championships. We’re scheduling to be mediocre
IAA games
The NCAA should stop having 1A teams and play 1AA teams. Does anyone want to see Alabama play Georgia State [11/20/10]?
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