Florida State Wednesday Open Recruiting Thread 01.20.10
by Bud Elliott on Jan 20, 2010 11:00 AM EST
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It's Wednesday and that means we talk recruiting. Normally FSUSOM would write the column but he is having some account troubles and is feeding me the info through e-mail. While we know that many follow recruiting every hour of every day, our numbers indicate that people like getting their recruiting information in a once-weekly format.
Since Last Wednesday...
Florida State picked up two recruits in CB Terrence Mitchell and TE Will Tye. To save space I'll avoid commenting on those two prospects as both have extensive profiles if you simply click on their names. Both are excellent prospects. Florida State has far and away the best crop of cornerbacks in the country. FSU now has the #1 CB, the #5 CB, the #46 CB and the #2 JUCO CB. No inside information here, but FSU's coaches must really feel bad about the returning crop of defensive backs. While FSU may have failed to recruit enough numbers along the defensive line, they probably did a worse job evaluating the kids that they did take in the secondary.
Defensive Endgame
The 'Noles new coaches scored a major victory simply by earning a visit from Rivals #3 DE/ ESPN #13 DT J.R. "Ego" Ferguson. Don't expect a Ferguson commitment. It's possible but even if they don't, getting kids on campus for a visit is huge because they will tell their friends that Tallahassee is awesome. Getting highly rated kids into Tallahassee and Shula's Steakhouse on visits will help in subsequent years. Most feel Ferguson will go to Cal (he loved his visit) or Miami (his dad was Randy Shannon's HS teammate and his mother lives close). Of course, FSU commitment Darious Cummings is good friends with Ferguson, who has told anyone and everyone who will listen that he wants to play end. If it happens that would be great.
DE Bjoern Werner, teammate of Will Tye, is rumored to have canceled his visit to Miami after loving his FSU visit. It's likely down to FSU and Oregon for the 6'4" 265 lb Strongside-Defensive End. Note that Werner was born in 1990 which would make him 20 years old during his freshman season.
DE J.C. Copeland, a Tennessee commitment thought to be vulnerable after the departure of Lane Kiffin, revealed that FSU's coaches told him they were full. This means that FSU's coaches feel very good about their shot at other commitments on the defensive line, that they want to save some scholarships for later, or maybe both. With FSU already having SDE Darious Cummings and looking good for Werner and potentially Corey Lemonier, the thought is that they simply do not have room for 4 defensive ends.
Speaking of Cummings, if you haven't seen his film, watch this video. In fact, this video has a ton of FSU commitments and likely commitments. Please ignore the commentary.
Inside, we talk redshirts, greyshirts, new offensive line offers, and offer a projected class. Click "continue reading"
Shirts of a different color
Because FSU LB commitment Holmes Onwukaife won't turn 18 until a few months after he graduates high school, he intends to redshirt. If someone has the link to the blogger who scored his interview, let me know in the comment section and I will properly credit him.
Reports from Tampa indicate that FSU has offered Tony Dungy's son a greyshirt opportunity (deferred enrollment to spring). There are a number of reasons why FSU would do this and having Tony Dungy around the program would not be a bad thing.
Trickett makes his move
Aside from Brice Schwab whom we profiled in the last recruiting update, FSU is also on another kid. NorthJersey.com reports that FSU is now involved with Dan Foose (insert Jersey Shore joke here). Foose is 6'6" 310 lbs. He's very strong and also smart. An extremely lean 310 lbs. FSU offensive line coach Rick Trickett likes smart linemen and likes to evaluate based off senior year film. Foose fits the profile. His other offers are Virginia and Illinois, both of whom have put linemen in the league over the past few years. With the loss of John Prior, FSU will likely take Foose if he wants to come. The article says he will visit FSU or Virginia this weekend. My money is on FSU getting the visit. Here's some film of Foose from his senior year. I think FSU will get Foose.
I believe DT Calvin Smith is taking a visit to Alabama. He says he wants to go out of state. Talking to Bama people, they are sure they want 1 more defensive lineman, but are not sure if Smith is the guy. Realistically, Bama is the better program. If they want Smith and he likes his visit, he belongs to the Tide. Anyone who has been to Tallahassee, however, knows that it is essentially Valdosta-South and is in Florida by name only. Getting Smith on a visit to Tallahassee could be big. He is a teammate of DE recruit Corey Lemonier
Another Big Recruiting Weekend
I've heard that Terrence Brooks, Eric Dungy, Cameron Erving, J.R. Ferguson, Dan Foose, Brice Schwab, and Tank Sessions will be in town visiting this weekend. FSU is trying to get other commitments in town as well to show them a great time. Expect at least 1 commitment this weekend, probably Foose.
As always, refer to the recruiting board for any info you may need on these prospects! (or click their story if a link is embedded in their name)
FSU will likely take more than 29 players in this class. 25 will count towards this class, 4 are back-counted to last year's class, and the remainder will greyshirt (enroll next Spring). With that in mind, here's an chart for you with comments.
| Committed | Potential Commitments |
| QB Clint Trickett | FSU is done at the QB position. |
| RB Debrale Smiley | |
| FSU would take Brown but I don't think they'd take Neal | RB Mack Brown or Rajon Neal |
| Look for FSU to absolutely take Green and if McCartney can get in and wants to come | WR Christian Green |
| WR Ivan McCartney (doubtful, he seems to be all WVU and his kid wears WVU clothes) | |
| WR Kenny Shaw | |
| WR Greg Dent (for now though many think he is a DB) | |
| WR DeJoshua Johnson | |
| TE Will Tye | |
| TE Tank Sessions | |
| FSU will take 1 or 2 offensive linemen. | OL Brice Schwab |
| OL Dan Foose (likely in the class and a potential greyshirt) |
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| Whoever Trickett offers late. | |
| DE Darious Cummings (End not tackle) | Look for FSU to take 7-8 DL in this class (Ends + Tackles) |
| DE Bjoern Werner (is an end not a tackle) | |
| DE Corey Lemonier | |
| DE J.R. "Ego" Ferguson (is an end not a tackle) | |
| DE Delvin Jones | |
| DT Anthony "Amp" McCloud | |
| DT Damien Jacobs | |
| DT Cameron Erving | |
| DT Calvin Smith | |
| DT Todd Chandler | |
| DT Charles Deas (currently at a JUCO, provided he can get his grades in order, highly doubtful) | |
| FSU will take 5-6 linebackers. | LB Christian Jones |
| LB Jeff Luc | |
| LB Telvin Smith | |
| LB Nigel Terrell | |
| LB Holmes Onwukaife | |
| LB Shaydon Akuna |
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| LB Darrin Kitchens | |
| CB LaMarcus Joyner | |
| CB Terrence Mitchell | FSU will not take any more cornerbacks. |
| CB Mike Harris (JUCO) | |
| CB Terrence Brooks | |
| S Chad Abrams | |
| Look for FSU to take 1-2 more safeties (not including Eric Dungy) | S Jeremy Deering |
| S Demar Dorsey |
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| S Eric Dungy (greyshirt or nothing) |
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| ATH Jared Haggins (either WR or S) |
- If Terrell chooses to leave for Colorado or Ole Miss, it would not be a big loss. FSU would simply take Kitchens.
- If Terrence Brooks chooses to decommit, that would not be a big loss as FSU really doesn't need 4 corners in this class.
- With FSU likely taking 6-8 DB's + Haggins, Nick Moody might move to linebacker.
So, given that, how does FSU finish? Give your final 7, 8, 9, 10, or even 12 players. We don't need you to re-type the guys who are currently committed. Please make sure to keep it within the parameters of the above chart so that we can do like comparisons. If you take more than 8 additional players, please denote the greyshits. Does Nigel Terrell go elsewhere in your opinion?
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Watching Holmes take on, shed blocks, and make tackles is so refreshing...
Kid knows how to play the game…
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
Awesome
That is a great interview and it sounds like this kid has his head on straight. Can’t wait to see him in G&G!
Good reason
I am a fan of his great interview he has a lot of respect and it shows.
HA....
“Q: How was your official visit, who showed you around?
A: I was paired with Dustin Hopkins, but it was fantastic, it really firmed up my commitment."
I’m sure he didn’t mean it but he makes it sound like even tho he was paired with our K it was still fantastic ;D
They are both from Texas
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
by DocHoliday2 on Jan 20, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
If you're on twitter
Follow @FSUROCKER (responsible for Onwukaife interview by sportsbrewkings.com)
by CSI Nole on Jan 20, 2010 12:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Christian Jones, Christian Green, Chaz Green, Foose (GS), Ego, Werner, Lemonier, Deering, Smith, Dungy (GS). I think Terrell stays. Sorry to throw a monkey wrench in there, but I think FSU goes hard after Chaz Green and lands him…
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
Both Chaz' parents are Tennessee grads :(
I’d like him for sure but I’m told it’s like zero% chance.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 20, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Its between the Vols n Gators for Chaz
by CSI Nole on Jan 20, 2010 11:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Gates are full
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
always look forward to weds!!! thanks for the write up!
MY ELITE 8 : 1. C jones
2. C green
3. C lemonier
4. S. Akuna
5. J. Deering
6. Werner
7. C smith
8. ferguson
One point:
Regarding,
DE J.C. Copeland, a Tennessee commitment thought to be vulnerable after the departure of Lane Kiffin, revealed that FSU’s coaches told him they were full. This means that FSU’s coaches feel very good about their shot at other commitments on the defensive line, that they want to save some scholarships for later, or maybe both. With FSU already having SDE Darious Cummings and looking good for Werner and potentially Corey Lemonier, the thought is that they simply do not have room for 4 defensive ends.
This may also mean we don’t want to use a ship on a bit of a tweener (undersized DT, too short DE), and letting the kid down easy, while saving the ship for ’11.
I'm thinking it mostly has to do
with the studs we have such a great shot for next year at DE. Absolute studs. More than OK with taking no more ends after Lemonier and Werner.
>>---l>
I will be happy as long as we land Ray Drew.
You're so wise. You're like a miniature Buddha, covered in hair.
Here's my SWAG
WR Christian Green
OL Foose
OL Schwab
DE Werner
DE Lemonier
DE Ferguson
LB Akuna
S Deering
S Dorsey (Sign and Place)
Deas (Fails to Qualify)
Christian Jones to USC
Calvin Smith to Alabama
Chandler stays at USF
Telvin Smith stays with FSU
Moody to LB
is the right move (just as Hudson to Center and Davis to G would be) IMO. It really comes down to how safeties matter in Stoops’ scheme. While it may be more of a commentary on the size of athletes UA could actually get in there, take a look at the size of safeties in their 2-deep depth chart ( I think the SS/FS designation are misreported, but is useful nonetheless)
2007
SS 20 Cam Nelson 6-1 180 So.
34 Brandon Tatum 6-1 181 So.
FS 8 Dominic Patrick 6-1 207 Sr.
32 Nate Ness 6-1 190 Jr.-RS
2008
SS 20 Cam Nelson 6-1, 200, Jr.
9 Joe Perkins 6-2, 180, So.
FS 32 Nate Ness 6-1, 190, Sr.
34 Brandon Tatum 6-1, 210, Jr.
21 Corey Hall 5-10, 190, Jr.
2009
SS 1 Robert Golden, 5-11, 190, Soph.
9 Joe Perkins, 6-2, 198, Jr.
FS 20 Cam Nelson, 6-1, 202, Jr.
34 Brandon Tatum, 6-1, 210, Sr.
6-1, 210 is the biggest Safety that got significant playing time under Stoops. At 6-1, 235 (legit, IMO), Moody would be the biggest Safety by 25 lbs. that Stoops has ever played.
I’d say that Stoops asks that both his safeties on the field be able to play more of a “centerfield” style play than 4th LB (even from the SS); Mickey essentially used the SS as a 4th linebacker (in essence, a 4-4 cover 1).
This could also explain why we are going after so many DBs right now. Terrance Brooks and LJ will stay as CBs, but I think someone like Mike Harris (6-1, 183) could play S in Stoops’ scheme with about 10-15 more lbs. (He has the frame to add it).
I didn't realize Moody was 235
I’d be shocked if he didn’t move to LB.
As Stoops takes the 4th linebacker (aka rover) out of the base defense, and plays in more zone, it ought to be easier for younger players to come in and see significant time on 1st and 2nd down.
Rico, I agree with you on Moody, however I am not so sure on Hudson.
While it would be better for Hudson to be moved to center for his future in the NFL, I am not so sure it would be in FSU best interest to move him. While this is strictly subjective and just my opinoion, I kinda like him on the left side helping Datko/Sanderson protect CP7’s back.
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True
But if you can have your 5 best linemen on the field and that’s with Hudson at Center, then so be it. I thought Davis was quite serviceable at G with Hudson out. Obviously, he’s no Hudson, but again, serviceable.
Consistency and chemistry are more important on the line than everywhere else
Our offensive line has more experience playing together than basically any team in the nation. By shifting that around, you’d potentially damage the chemistry. At this point in their college careers, Datko knows how to relate to Hudson’s movements and vice versa. When one moves, the line moves.
Good point. I guess we'll have to wait to see what the Trickster decides to do. Either way our OL is solid.
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Move Moody
strickly based on weight? Watch film and you can see the kid is quick and fluid enough to play safety. It’s not a bad thing to have an ‘enforcer’ type safety, ie Taylor Mays
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Jan 20, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
can moody play in a cover 2 scheme though?
Speak softly, and carry a big Spear
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 20, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Athletically?
Don’t have much to base it on as he was never in cover 2 situations this year. His closing speed looks to be tremendous though.
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Jan 20, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
I think Mangum might be an upgrade over Kendall Smith
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by tdchrisdavis on Jan 20, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
It would be close
Smith was terrible.
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by tdchrisdavis on Jan 20, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
I would not mind having some decent sized safeties
If they are going to be needed to help in run support. This past season the D Line and Linebackers seemed to not get the job done, and all the safeties were former corners, who were just too small to tackle big running backs, much less some of the bigger TEs and WRs. At least when Myrone Rolle was playing he was big enough to help stop some runs from being big gainers to home runs, if you know what I mean.
We're going to big front-7 players for this reason
like the 265lb DE cummings who will play at 275ish
I'm not going to lie.
Gibson isn’t ringing a bell with me. I assumed you were being serious and he was a player I just didn’t really remember until you said Hall. Now I’m wondering if he wasn’t that good.
Derrick Gibson out of SoFla 1st rd pick of the Raiders
How about Devin Bush, dude was badass
I'd even take a couple Jerome Carter's.
Pat Watkins was even solid before that concussion against…Duke(?).
I guess I don’t care how big they are as long as they are good. Bigger is better, but good is better than big.
My list
1. Jones
2.Green
3. Deering
4. Lemonier
5.Foose
6. Ferguson
7. Kitchens
Corey Cooper is the 4th ranked player in Illinois per Rivals..
He could be a huge get if he makes it down to visit this saturday…
Disappointed
yet not completely surprised that he did end up canceling. I was really hoping that we could get this kid on campus. Liked what I saw from the brief film I’ve been able to find on the kid.
Any chance he re-schedules?
We don't need him at all
We have a great DB class.
Speak softly, and carry a big Spear
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 20, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Alrighty then....
I’m not trying to discredit our current haul at DB because I think it is fairly obvious that we’ve done a tremendous job in the secondary.
See more potential at CB than I do S in this class though. I personally would take Cooper over Brooks, Haggins, and maybe Abrams. But again, haven’t seen much of Cooper, so I might be a little off in that statement, but I’ll go out on a limb, for the sake of candid discussion, to see where the balance of TN stands.
Well if we are playing the "swap" game
I might agree with you on some of those. Though Haggins says he is being brought in as a wideout. But from a sheer #s perspective we have a lot of DB’s and plan to take Deering.
Dent
Will he remain at WR?
….and I’m a huge proponent of Deering as well. Raw athleticism and tremendous ceiling on him at the S position.
We don’t have to play the “swap game” and didn’t intend to start a digression from the original intent of the thread.
Just stating my opinion from what I have seen and more trying to gauge where he falls in the group from a talent perspective than anything.
Coaches love Abrams. While I understand your position, the "swapping" doesnt really help todays evaluation of the class.
365 days, until I change my ways.
No digression intended...
just trying to get a feel for where a majority would place Cooper from a talent perspective stacked up against our current class.
No intention to take anything away from this thread of steer it off its intended path.
Apologies.
not to mention a guy like Haggins is pretty much unswapable for 2 reasons
1) Legacy
2) Wouldn’t want to strain a relationship with a power like Sarasota HS
by Cigar City Nole on Jan 20, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Again...
I understand the reasons….just trying to gain a perspective on Coopers level of talent.
….and I believe Haggins goes to Lakeland as well.
I just think there's the question in the back of everyone's mind that he might have gotten an FSU offer b/c of connections
Of course, you could say the same about Clint, but no one seems to be dogging him. He’s a 3-star just like Haggins.
I could see that
if he weren’t the star QB on a VERY talented football powerhouse in Florida, who had mediocre film and was at a school that FSU wasn’t trying to make inroads with.
Your explanation may be what’s going on here.
You think? lol
I think you know. Brain fart for Cigar City. And I’d like to keep the Dreadnaught door ajar.
My picks
Green
Jones
Werner
Lemonier
Deering
Foose
Chandler
Smith
I think UA gets a better player than Smith so he goes to us. I think we take a chance on Chandler because Ego goes to UM. Not as sure about Lemonier as I was a few weeks ago, but that is due more to nerves than smoke.
Nervous about Lemonier.
Canes rivals site is pimping his decision big time, and the folks that get the interview are often the favorites. Will be disappointed if we don’t get Ego or Lemonier, though. We need the help. Besides Bama, I think if we lose on Lemonier we lose on Smith as well, so that could be double damage.
Pretty confident about most of our other big fish… Christian’s, Deering, Werner appear to be very likely.
Ditto on arrdub's thoughts
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 20, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Rivals Sites are rubbish
We have a much better shot at Lemonier than UM does. I think he’s already told our coaches he’s on board.
In fact, I think Auburn might have a better shot with Lemon than the Canes.
UM is the legitimate threat. Have been for a little while now. Auburn put out a lot of stuff that made thier chances look good.
365 days, until I change my ways.
I'm beginning to dislike Auburn since their fans are so cocksure about everyone.
they honestly think they’re going to pass UF to get the top class this year.
What’s your confidence on us and Lemonier?
hmm. that is pretty low, at least compared to what I've been thinking
75% here. Haven’t been worried about UM for a while now. Maybe I should be.
Spot on
Auburn is the only competition FSU has for Lemonier. However, I think in the end he’ll want to stay in state and don the G&G
Don't be
Randy Shannon hasn’t made an in-home visit yet nor has Lemonier even visited scUM’s campus. He’s already made his decision but he’s waiting til signing day to reveal it…watch him to put on an FSU hat and ink his LOI to Tallahassee
Why nervous?
I hear he has yet to visit UM. A buddy of mine has a close friend who coaches in the area Lemonier is from. He has always said he is leaning heavily towards FSU. And this coach is not a Nole!!!
Abe Froman's list
Werner commits this week
Deering
Foose
Another lineman
Christian Green
Schwab
Lemonier
Dungy (GS)
We pull a big name from another team
Go Noles!!
You don't think we get one of those 'unknown' guys you were talking about??
Like Marcus Lattimore?
by MattDNole on Jan 20, 2010 12:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I have a feeling
of pulling a committed recruit from a big named school.
Go Noles!!
by AbeFroman21 on Jan 20, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Please no Demar
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by tdchrisdavis on Jan 20, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
mandatory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXde0IG54iI
365 days, until I change my ways.
by SWFLNole. on Jan 20, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
kill me
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by tdchrisdavis on Jan 20, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
I only edited it, there was a cameraman. I was on the other sideline.
365 days, until I change my ways.
Ok. By the way, the LJ video you posted shows how well he stayed on Mike Davis.
From ESPN’s angle there was more doubt to how well he played that catch on the jump ball.
I don't know what he's saying.
Not that I really care. I would sign and place him if he wanted out of UF. No harm in that.
List
1. Jones – Biggest Pull
2. Lemonier – Really need this one too
3. Green
4. Deering.
5. Werner – Rated us a 10 on his visit, us signing Tye helps us pull him in
6. Foose – hopefully he doesnt go to UVA, They are known for producing NFL Lineman
7. Schwab
8. Ferguson
- For some reason I feel like we lose either Green, Jones or Lemonier I just don’t know which one. Hope we pull all 3!
Trickett will be known for getting OL in the League shortly...
RETURN TO DOMINANCE, 2010!!!!
by UnstopaNole99! on Jan 20, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
is this mass recruiting of DB's a sign?
Do yall think that a lot of the current DB’s will be transferring soon?
Allen, Alexander... anyone else?
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by tdchrisdavis on Jan 20, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Parks??
I thought we had high hopes for him.
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by tdchrisdavis on Jan 20, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
He hurt his knees?
That sucks. He looked like a good prospect coming out of HS and in the allstar game he played in if I remember correctly. I still wonder if he was meant to be a cornerback rather than a safety though.
Me too
The NFL is looking for bigger CBs and I thought he was going to come in and be another NOLE CB in the NFL.
Why? Do you think he has more potential than Deering? Do we need more safeties in this class?
365 days, until I change my ways.
Some news on Cooper possibly not visiting..
Any confirmation of this?
Well, that was one of Stoops guys number one. He had a Florida State official visit set for this weekend ?? Also Demar Dorsey either stays with FU or (Fails to Qualify).
My point is that we feel good about Deering right now. Very good. And that is one of Jimbo’s guys and is from FL. How many DBs do we need in this class? Is Corey Cooper so good to you that he is a must take?
Don’t want Dorsey.
365 days, until I change my ways.
How do you feel about getting Jared Haggins on our squad? 2 family members in this class? Just wondering what you guys think….
You mean family members of coaches.
You don’t take a commitment from Haggins back in, what, July, from a powerhouse like Lakeland, just to turn him away a few weeks before NSD. Just saying. I think the kid has some skill.
Will
stocking up on DB’s this year…..how will this effect next year(2011) class….We got to go after Robenson Therezie…..
Don't think it will
I expect us to sign 5-6 DBs next year.
Speak softly, and carry a big Spear
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 20, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Kiffin can be his schauffer
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 20, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
South Central.
But now i can name over 300 types of fish.
You're so wise. You're like a miniature Buddha, covered in hair.
Is Dorsey too mildly thuggish?
UF was, after all, the team whose guy tried to gun somebody down with an AK47.
by Drew J Jones on Jan 20, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Dorsey isn't up to snuff.
UF likes their criminals to have that KGB/Afghani-style edge, sporting the AK’s. Dorsey’s 9 won’t cut it.
?? That doesnt make any sense......
Pictured at left with the gun and what looks to be about $16 (dinner for two at Wendy’s) is Leon Orr, 6-4 295lb defensive lineman commitment and "collect money cartel" member.
Pictured below with what appear to be gang signs are Orr and DE Lynden Trail, Florida commitments. How can they not want Dorsey? Double standard?
Great picture of Orr...bet he'll make it all 4 years in Hogtown.
I think the caption should read, “Oh shit! He’s got enough money for a box of ammo!”.
by mountain renegade on Jan 20, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough...
I have followed FSU football for the past 24 years and am well aware of some of the “characters” we have recruited in the past…and I sincerely hope that recruiting people with poor character is a thing of the past. However, when one posts any picture on the internet, one opens oneself up to ridicule. I’m just glad, this time, it’s UF getting the bad PR :-)
by mountain renegade on Jan 20, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
True it never hurts having some guys who have a little attitude, I would take dorsey in a heart beat as long as jimbo set guidelines for his behavoir if he wants to stay on the team
Per Jimbo Fisher
“We must have character-quality athletes at Florida State, not characters.”
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Obviously.
I find it funny that people are saying how bad of a kid Dorsey is (when I think most are just repeating 3rd hand information) but ignore that not all of our recruits/commits and current players are “character-quality atheltes”.
The fans are picking and choosing which kids to apply Jimbo’s quotes to.
Another problem with Dorsey is grades.
I think blogger sentiment against Dorsey results from the double whammy, particularly since so many highly rated Bowden era recruits never made it to the field (at least not for very long) due to one or the other. We just don’t want to repeat the mistakes of the past and waste a spot when we have quality options who are not carrying baggage in both hands.
not all of our recruits/commits and current players are "character-quality atheltes".
Can you name our current commits that have those issues and explain what they are?
And of the remaining guys that we are still recruiting, can you do the same?
All of those guys are on the roster, i.e., they are not current commitments or among the remaining targeted recruits. They were brought in when BB was head coach; not Fisher.
I don’t even know why I am responding. Dorsey is going to WVU because of his grades. We already have enough DBs and we’ll probably add Deering.
Intelligence & character of current recruits/commits > Dorsey. All can ball. What’s the hangup?
Grades, a kid can work on. Character is harder to change. If he’s a sign & place, its no big deal b/c he’ll have time to improve the grades and show he can clean his act up. See Downs & Mizell. You hope the kid can get his act together.
Character is a bigger whammy than grades because guys with character issues have bad attitudes and get bitter if they get booted off the team for off-the-field activities. They get bitter and bad mouth the school. See Rouse. Not something we need considering the class we are signing.
Well I said "current players".
And if Dorsey were going to qualify and had major character issues, that’s one thing. But signing him and placing him in juco for 2 years is an entirely different beast. If he can’t get his act together while away, you don’t have to resign him. There is very little risk, imo.
I don't think he's that good
Always thought his ESPN rating was ludicrous. For those that point to his all-star game performance, you have to realize that the format of those games is heaven for safeties. There’s a reason that ALL safeties look good in those games. Now, I agree that a sign and place deal is low risk and wouldn’t mind it, but I don’t think he should be a priority.
>>---l>
I never said he should be a priority.
I don’t know him as well as the coaches do, though. If they think the rewards outweigh the risks, cool. If they don’t, they won’t pursue him too heavily and won’t sign him if it it’s too much hassle. But if he wants to sign, you let him, imo. No harm in it.
I agree with little risk in sign & place.
Part of the reason grade concern and character issues are a double whammy is that kids who are not too bright generally have a higher rate of doing stupid sh*t & getting caught as opposed to smarter kids who simply played characters to survive in their hometown neighborhoods. Smarter kids may still do stupid sh*t, but are less apt to get caught. Getting caught means you never see the field.
Which is why a sign and place gives you 1 or 2 years to see if the kid matures, risk-free.
If he matures, great. If he doesn’t, it doesn’t cost you anything.
Trail has at least "Manned up" and addressed the photos which he says were taken a few years back
He stated that he was “just a wannbe” at that time. I’m willing to give Trail the benefit of the doubt, for now. Joyner is from a similar neighborhood, Jeff Luc didn’t always do the right thing growing up but those kids turned it around. Maybe Trail can too. He heads his school’s video department and make highlight tapes of his teammates to help them get recruited. Not an end all, but I’d give him the benefit of the doubt. I deal with kids in the inner city and I see the type pressure kids from those type of neighborhoods face. So no need for ignorant comments about things some of you folks don’t know about.
Dorsey on the other hand, it seems like people have PRESENT concerns about him. Not only in regards to his off field activities I suppose, but also his grades. UF wants us to take Dorsey off their hands and be our problem. They know our class is shaping up to be better than anyone imagined and would like nothing more than to stick up with a kid that won’t even qualify. Dorsey is an eligibilty risk first, character risk second, TRUST!
by westcoastnolefan on Jan 20, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
So you take him and sign him.
It’s a “Wow” type move. “Stealing” a 4* from UF on NSD. Plus, no one expects him to qualify. So he has a year or two to right his academics and character issues. If he doesn’t, you don’t resign him. Not a big deal, imo.
Who cares if we "steal" someone from UF?
A few idiots who post on rivals?
I don’t think anyone will care when Dorsey doesn’t qualify/shoots someone.
Speak softly, and carry a big Spear
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 20, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Damn "stealing" someone. We need kids who are gonna be on the field, like Deering
Snatch up Deering and his upside and leave well enough alone. We can’t “steal” a kid UF no longer even wants
by westcoastnolefan on Jan 20, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
it seems like they are dumping Dorsey and going after Deering now. Maybe they just want to bury him in their depth chart, and keep him out of Tally? (joking)
I didn't realize that we had a resident inner city expert...
Having worked in an inner city, does that make you an authority on all inner cities or just the one(s) that you worked in? Thank you for politically correcting my “ignorant comments”. In the future, westcoastnolefan, perhaps you could compile a list of topics that are OK to joke about.
by mountain renegade on Jan 21, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
"Resident inner city" expert? LOL. Those are your words not mine. I simply prefer to call it perspective
And trust, that perspective does not start nor stop with me. But for you to even pose your initial question reveals as that needs to be known about the level of your perspective.Besides, do we really want ESPN investigative reports digging into the background of OUR players? I’ll pass, lol. Hard truth: Every big money program engages in the practice of recruiting kids who’s background could be called into question.But as long as they can meet the admission requirements they will welcomed as the results on the field are desirable. Big time sports are in a “ends justify the means” business. The last time Nebraska won a national title it was with Lawrence Phillips as their lead tailback. A documented gang member once won Super Bowl MVP,and neither program or franchise would ever entertain the thought of giving back their championships (Nor should they.
I just find it amusing and hypocritical to joke about pictures such as those when we would have taken all three players if they choice to commit to FSU. We recruit those very same neighborhoods and need to do so even more effectively. We have commited scholarships to a few players who have admittedly “didnt always do the right thing” But they overcame their enviromental obstacles, listened to people who had their best interests in mind, and DAMN,they made it to college of all places! I would like to think Trail and Orr can make the same transition. If they go the route of Nu"Keese Richardson, they will have to deal with the consequences as their actions as their lives will become instantly more difficult. Society will be slow to issue them a second chance. You have the liberty to joke about whatever you please bub, but just remember, we offered both of those kids.
by westcoastnolefan on Jan 21, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
I believe that Orr was offered way before Fisher took over...
One of the things I admire most about Jimbo is that he is trying to change our “Criminole” reputation (and that is the jab that stings the most coming from rival fans). And for the record, I do believe that people can positively change their lives. From my perspective, the less players we have doing stupid shit, the better. I am operating under the assumption that as a team, FSU is better off without Leon Orr.
by mountain renegade on Jan 21, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
I too, am glad Fisher has tried to put a premium on character
Character and talent is a hard balance to navigate.JF receives my full support. The main reason I defended Trail is an article were he explained the photos and seems to be making a sincere attempt to do the right thing. Orr? I haven’t a clue. As far as the “Criminole” reputation? That has always been overblown. I remember when OU had a starting QB selling cocaine and a DB who shot an O-lineman on campus while Nebraska had a WR throwing up gangsigns in a team photo,whatever!.“Criminoles” and “Free Shoes University”? Just catchy BS that the media latched unto after a few incidents( To hell w/u Spurrier!). And lastly, I am just as proud of Holmes and Cam Erving being Noles as I am of Luc and LJ
by westcoastnolefan on Jan 21, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
Deering
Do you know if Florida is believed to have made a major impression last weekend during his official visit?
I'm gonna bet his visit was a "10."
I don’t think I’ve ever heard a recruit say otherwise when asked.
I think Reggie Nelson gave us an 11
And UF a 12.
Speak softly, and carry a big Spear
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 20, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Noel Devine gave us a 12....
But then realized 12 doesnt come after 9.
You're so wise. You're like a miniature Buddha, covered in hair.
Why don't you make 10 louder and make 10 the top number?
Because these go to 11.
by fsugrad06 on Jan 21, 2010 8:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So, I messed up and forgot Green lets try this again.
Jones, Lemonier, Deering, Werner, Green, Foose, Kitchens (Terrell deflects), Chandler, Dungy (GS), possibly another OL late offer.
That adds 8-9 to the class.
365 days, until I change my ways.
Chandler? Interesting since a lot of posters seems to be divided over his character and upside
Don’t have a list, but realistically I think we may lose one of the big three (Jones, Green, and Lemonier). If we keep them and add Deering (Who may be a must get) we’ll be a top five class for certain. Unimaginable 2 months ago!
by westcoastnolefan on Jan 20, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
I am a big fan of Chandler's playing abilities, and I think his off the field stuff has been drastically exaggerated but the Miami fanbase.
365 days, until I change my ways.
I wonder why they would do that especially since he's from one of their most important feeder schools
by westcoastnolefan on Jan 20, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Many of them are justifying this staff and class anyway they can.
365 days, until I change my ways.
by SWFLNole. on Jan 20, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
His HS coach was a bit upset
A while back he said UM just stopped recruiting the kid and didn’t even explain why. Don’t know if it was enough to completely turn him off on the staff but that sort of thing has to have some kind of affect. Just unprofessional.
by osceolafan850 on Jan 20, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Thank you SWFL
Finally, someone else thinks that Chandler is a balla. He would make an instant impact in the run game for us.
agreed
everyone thought this kid was a stud until Miami let him go. Now the Cane fans start doggin him about his size/character issues. If we pull a kid from Miami Northwestern, im not going to lie, i’ll get a lil chuckle out of it. What a way to dominate SoFla this year.
Jones
Green
Foose
Werner
Deering
Chandler
Kitchens
Smith/Schwab
(GS) Dungy
Unsure if we really want Chandler but I don’t feel good about Lemonier or any DE besides Werner. Would much rather see Corey L take that spot!
by econole23 on Jan 20, 2010 12:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions
No, Hammy is recruiting 5 stars so he can waste their talent.
You're so wise. You're like a miniature Buddha, covered in hair.
by Nole93 on Jan 20, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Basketball is like Football was before Jimbo.
by scalp n spank on Jan 20, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
Excellent write up
I would really like to see the offensive tackle Schwab in this class. I like the sound of monster one and done type tackles.
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
Schwab
Some think we will land him. Any good reasons why?
Good Reason!
Parents have greatly influenced our recruits in the past. Is he a USC commit already?
Does Schwab start?
I thought Schwab was looking for a school with limited depth at LT and a fairly clear cut opportunity to start from day one, then bolt for the league.
Is he talented enough to arrive on Campus this summer and push Datko down the depth chart to #2?
Still needs to learn the system and you know Trickett will have a few technique adjustments that he will require, and then there is the continuity factor that was mentioned elsewhere. Just not sure about this one.
I think Schwab ends up back at USC.
I think he could start
The guy is a beast.
Is he talented enough to arrive on Campus this summer and push Datko down the depth chart to #2?
He could also beat our Zebrie.
FSUn & SWFL
Completely forgot about Sanders.
Assumed he’d be more of a LT for some reason and it slipped my mind.
Trickett probably liked the part in Miracle
Where they bring in the guy right before the Olympics and right before they are about to trim and finalize the roster. Keeps everyone pissed off.
Earlier in this thread people are upset about Lemonier's parents swaying him to UM
I’m all for influential parents, but only when they are pushing their kids to FSU.
Speak softly, and carry a big Spear
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 20, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
I Agree
In the past it has hurt more than helped. I hope it’s not the case with Lemonier.
I understand what you are saying.
As a parent, do you provide the best guidance and allow him to make the decision or do you force him to where you want him to go? (don’t know if that’s the exact case with Lemonier).
While I wasnt a kid being recruited for football, I’d handle it just like my parents handled me when I was selecting colleges and grad schools. Help them make the best choice by weighing all the options.
I didnt go to the Undergraduate or Graduate institution my parents wanted me to, but they just tried to let me do my best wherever I went.
365 days, until I change my ways.
My parents stayed out of my college choice...
But I suppose a potential future seven figure salary wasn’t on the line.
I read the same thing from a source
From a reliable website.
Speak softly, and carry a big Spear
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 20, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
not from what I read
Just said that Arizona State was our biggest opponent here and his parents want him at FSU.
Speak softly, and carry a big Spear
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 20, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
I have heard the same thing from someone who has talked to him (Schawb) directly
Talked to FSUn about it and he thinks we have a good shot because the kid would relate better to Trickett
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
He apparently made some comments on his Youtube video that was linked the other day.
Sounds like he has the same attitude and mouth that Trickett has.
Taking a stab
1. Jones
2. Green
3. Deering (Brooks bolts)
4. Lemonier
5. Smith (Bama does better)
6. Werner
7. Akuna (Terrell bolts)
8. Schwab
9. Foose
10. Ferguson (thanks to Cummings)
10. Dungy (GS)
Not worried about him
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Jan 20, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks!!
First time posting. I love the feedback this site kicks out.
Thanks for joining our community! Glad to have you.
For ease of reading the thread try to use the “reply” button next time.
365 days, until I change my ways.
FSUncensored
Meant to post this under my post about Schwab
This would be a nice haul.
1. Jones
2. Green
3. Schwab
4. Ferguson
5. Lemonier
6. Smith
7. Werner
8. Deering
9. Dungy (GS)
10. Foose (GS)
I dont think we pull that off, but that would be great.
Joyner
About a month ago (before I canceled my subscription) some well respected posters on the Club Level board of another site were in agreement that Joyner will play safety at FSU. I’ve not seen him discussed as such here. Not trying to make waves, just wondering where the disconnect is because both groups of posters, there and here, do very good work.
Props to the team here. Longtime reader just now starting to post.
He has stated that he wants to play safety a couple times, as it is his favorite position. He is an excellent tackler, so many believe that is where he will end up. I was on the fence about it until i watched him at the Under Armour game and there is no doubt in my mind today that Joyner is a CB all the way. He has unlimited potential at that position.
365 days, until I change my ways.
He's also definitely not a safety should he make the league
and I doubt a smart kid like him wants to play a position he won’t play in the league
I don't either
There is nothing wrong with cornerbacks who are great tacklers either. I would have hated to see a 170 pound safety in our defensive backfield last year the way running backs were breaking into it. They would have been injured sooner or later. Safeties have to come up and make some hits on some pretty big boys in D-1 football. It is not all just coverage. I think Abrams is going to be a good one.
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
Safeties nowadays..
or at least the most successful ones are those who are built like CB’s. Smaller so that they have the hips to match up with slot WR’s
by ThatDudeDan on Jan 21, 2010 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
I think you'll find the consensus here feels we need CB's not S's He has certainly seen the depth chart. Also that he projects as a...
CB in the NFL he would be better served to play there now.
Yeah, right!
I was one of those on here.
On film he was never at CB and he was a hitter in the secondary. He seems to be fluid enough to play CB pretty well. However, I think he would/could still make a very good safety, and if he put on 30 pounds I think he could even play safety in the NFL.
Florida State has far and away the best crop of cornerbacks in the country. FSU now has the #1 CB, the #5 CB, the #46 CB and the #2 JUCO CB.
False. UF’s is better. I hate to be “that” guy, but yeah….
If you said DB's, I'd agree with you
by Bud Elliott on Jan 20, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yep, that doesnt even factor in how big a ? I think Riggs might be
but their athleticism overall at DB is gaudy
365 days, until I change my ways.
Although for the record
Their #8 CB got bumped up to #4 CB. So they have #3, #4, #9 CB, which I would say is almost a push to who would perform better in college out of those two groups.
That's not what I show
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewrank.asp?ra_key=2403&Year=2010
wrong link perhaps?
They haven't updated the position rankins since their last Rivals 100 update
Jaylen Watkins made a jump to #4 CB.
UF has waaaaaaayyyy more DBs than FSU
Sorry, but every comment I read that “UF definitely has better DBs than FSU does”, i interpret it as DBs of a personal quality…and will agree with that any day of the week.
Is that what you meant by insert Jersey Shore joke here?
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 20, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Nah I think he meant something like
Calling him Dan “The Situation” Foose upon his commitment
>>---l>
I meant the overall DB class
But I think their CB class is about as good as ours and their overall DB class blows ours out.
What about Corey Cooper?
Are we still pursuing him?
I think we land the folliowing guys:
C Jones
C Green
B Werner
C Lemonier
E Ferguson
Smith
Deering
Dungy (GS)
Akuna to Oregon St
Foose
Latest on JOnes
Are we still confident we are getting C. Jones- I have heard nothing to dispute that!
Christian Green
Christian Jones
Corey Lemonier
Bjoern Woerner
Eric Dungy(grey)
one other DT although its a toss up for me.
I don’t think we get all 29 myself… they realize they did really well for a 7-6 year with all the drama and save the scholly’s for next year rather than take lesser guys.
Yeah, right!
cummings
based on that one play on tape, that guy is so long, he can really stretch out
dont know his general body, but if 1 play is typical, then i will take 100 of him.. keep the change
DT Eric Young?
Are we not recruiting this guy anymore?
Also, is Schwab not an EE?
His Rivals bio says he is a December grad (just noticed that), but I think it’s too late to enroll now. Probably just hasn’t been updated.
He planned to at USC, but when everything went down he decided to go to school this semester
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Jan 20, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Here is my guess
1st=Jones 2nd=Deering spec. that he already told people that he is coming here. 3rd=Green 4th=Lemonier has said his mind was made up a few weeks ago.This was right after the UA game were he played with some future Nole’s 5th=Werner he loved it here just trying to figure out how him and his fiance can live together. 6th=Scwab starter from day one here 7th=Ego Ferguson will not be able to say no to his childhood friend and his dad is good friends with Odell. 8th=Dorsey to good of an athlete to turn away 9th=Dungy childhood fav. team and close to his dad and will be a greyshirt 10th=Foose will comm. this weekend and will probaly be another greyshirt not a imediate need here Now there is a chance we lose some one like Brooks or Terrall if that happens i see us adding Chandler and Kithens and if we miss out Ego i see us adding Chandler
Ego Ferguson
Do we have a real shot at landing him or is he just giving us a courtesy look.
I'm a bit wary of GSs for this class
b/c we are looking to bring in a full 25 that would mean any GS would count towards the 2011 class. We are already limited (as of this writing) in terms of 2011 ships. I know we will likely be cutting a few players (both this summer and next) but I’d rather not overcommit to the 2010 class when the 2011 class appears to be beyond loaded.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
Take the kids when you can get them. Some won't pan out due to injury, grades, or whatever.
Others may leave for the league early, freeing up additional schollies (such as a Schwab one n done). If some guys don’t develop like we hope and want PT, expect a couple transfers. Quality teams prune the tree every year. We can fill this class and be fine for next year. I wouldn’t kill present success based on fortune telling next year’s class.
Mizell
I CJ still in the mix? Wasn’t sure if he washed out like Downs or if we can look to see him in an FSU uni sometime down the road.
I think he's done
Shame.
Speak softly, and carry a big Spear
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 20, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
ended up with none
as both Hicks and Stork enrolled in the fall due to the above described situation.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
re: the potential of signing 4 CBs
I’m very happy about this development for the following reasons:
A) we appear to need some (as mentioned in the article about the poor evaluation in the past);
2) 2011 we appear to have a couple of guys that we are very high on that may end up having to move to S do to the fact that they are enormous [Keelin Smith (commit) and Tyler Hunter (heavy lean)]; and
D) most importantly all 4 of them are frickin awesome!
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
Stupid question
Why A 2 D and not A) B) C) ?
This originated back in May-ish as a joke. Anyone have the original post?
It should probably be put in the Welcome to TN Guide. “Green)” seems to be the next bullet after A) 2) D), but that’s just the going trend.
It started with a Home Alone reference that was quickly adopted as the preferred numbering system for TN, although strictly voluntarily. It starts with A), 2), D) then you may free style.
Mine are
A)
2)
D)
VII)
Green)
玖)
Quince)
I forget who was the first to use A), 2), D), possibly the K-Man, but not sure.
Bueller.
Bueller.
Bueller.
Anyone.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
not sure who it was
but I know I was the first to recognize it was a home alone reference. Then the comments went crazy, and it stuck ever since.
It has added humor and a propietary feeling to TN and at the same time totally bewildering those not in the know.
I should have made it a part of my Did You Know training guide.
You sir, will be receiving a Shiny Prize. Please check your mailbox in 3-12 weeks.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
The Periodic Table of Elements also provides a wide variety of choices
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
Diacritic marks also give flavor
when you’ve exhausted plain old letters.
I like the umlaut diacritic for a German flair.
He's a S not a CB
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
Lemonier's decision
Any thoughts on Lemonier saying he’s made up his mind? His statements about his three final choices are ambiguous at best.
I'm going to say FSU
otherwise I don’t think we would have turned down Copeland. Whether or not our coaches like our current guys, it is a position of need.
Auburn has been annoyingly confident on him for a while now
And they are having a ridiculous recruiting season, so they definitely scare me here.
yeah I noticed that
Alabama is having a field day, yet there still seems to be plenty of talent left for Auburn to gobble up. I guess they have some good recruiters as well. That or players saw some promise in what happened under those coaches last year. I will admit they had some good moments and started the year well, but down the stretch they faded. I imagine they can still pitch the “once we get our players such as you into our system” to the recruits.
Agreed
Yeah if anything he seems to talk a lot about the “family” atmosphere there.
This is why Candi Fisher needs to get off her @$$ and learn to make Banana Pudding, dammit!
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
One can only wish
1. C. Jones
2. Todd Chandler
3. C. Green
4. Lemonier
5. Werner
6. Schwab
7. Deering
8. Akuna
9. Dungy
My list
C Jones
Deas makes it in,Finally
and the rest is icing on the cake!
NT goes to the Rockies
2 GS’s
1 S&P
Not to rain on the parade but does anyone have the feeling that signing day may end up a disappointment
We are still way behind the curve of elite programs on resources, facilities, and recruiting (although that has now been helped some with the staff being fully named). But recruiting is usually long term committments and frankly with 4 or 5 coaches straining to meet all these kids, I think us being at such a disadvantage left other coaches come in and seal the deal with some of our prospects. I really hope we finish strong, especially on the defensive line and everything after that would be icing on the cake to me. However, let keep our expectations in check and know that next year should be a different story, where FSU can and will be a player in the kids that we want.
And besides, at the end of the day, the class we have right now is great so anything further would just take it to the next level.
And what the hell is up with Auburn, 3 5 star with 3 more seriously considering them.
I don't have a feeling NSD will be a dissappointment.
We have already made a huge jump from pre-BB announcement.
We now have a full staff straining to meet the kiddies. Before we hire the replacements, we only had 4-5 guys.
NoleLaw...I acknowledged all your points in my post.
My point is that everyone believes we have this great haul awaiting us on signing day and I believe that will just not be the case. I think a lot of the “big-time” recruits we are trying to get to sign will not, or they would have by now. In fact, I think some sign with the Gates that we covet right now.
It just feels like something is not right with the way this is all ending. Perhaps I will be wrong, but something tells me that the Christians, Lemonier, Deering, Akuna….will not be signing on NSD with FSU for different reasons.
I am excited about next year as I believe out recruiting will be a force to be reckoned with in college football. But this year I just feel that we had our shining moment in the sun with Luc and Joyner, and I am fine with that.
So are you saying we may lose out on a bunch of kids on NSD, or that we will miss out on them?
I think it’s possible we whiff on a bunch, but I think it’s likely we land a few.
I just don't want everybody to freak out if we don't land the big time recruits we think are coming here.
If the Christians or Lemonier or whoever don’t come here, I think everyone will be in meltdown mode. I think FSU has done an excellent job with the guys we have now, adding a few more lesser known guys to the fold won’t be the end of days.
Frankly, my signing day was when we got all the new coaches on staff….it felt like Christmas when you were a kid.
I remember the mode on this board during the Elam\AA game and it was not good. I just hope everybody understands that we will win some and lose some.
With all that being said, I just have a feeling that we will not get the 3 or 4 big ones we expect to get unless the coaches are keeping this much closer to the vest than normal. Every one of them seems to keep making noise about other programs which just seems utterly pointless if they are planning on coming to FSU.
Well if we have a "poor" NSD, people will freak.
That’s a given. I won’t freak but I’ll be disappointed. Did any of us expect this current class 2 months ago? I certainly did not.
I like to have high expectations
They give you something to look forward to; some excitement! It seems like many posters on here are afraid to get excited because they are afraid of the disappointment when things don’t turn out exactly like they hoped. It’s obvious people care and have been hurt by BB teams, the admin., [whoever] failing them. So the solution to avoid the disappointment or sorrow or whatever you want to call it seems to be to give up the hopes and excitement in the first place. [And we wish there was more excitement at the games…hmpf] Better to have had (hopes) and lost rather than to have not had them at all.
Personally, I enjoy having high hopes and expectations and the excitement that goes along with it. I’m not happy if it doesn’t come to pass, but it’s not a big deal. Tomoorow the sun will rise, the earth will continue to turn, and the sun will set. Considering the vast reaches of space and the enormity of the universe, who FSU lands in one recruiting class is a very small event. If you keep things in perspective, the letdowns shouldn’t be as emotionally traumatic.
I think most of TN actually enjoys getting excited about the Noles, which is partly why membership has gone through the roof lately (they also like the good info and articles). You have to admit: it’s fun to get excited about the Noles. Everyone seems to love Coley, and I think a bit part of it is his enthusiasm & expectations. So I am keeping my expectations, high as they may be. I’d rather have them and lose them than not have them at all. It kinda reminds me of a Gart Brooks song called The Dance:
Looking back on the memory of
The dance we shared beneath the stars above
For a moment all the world was right
How could I have known you’d ever say goodbye
And now I’m glad I didn’t know
The way it all would end the way it all would go
Our lives are better left to chance I could have missed the pain
But I’d of had to miss the dance
I don’t want to miss the dance.
by NoleLaw on Jan 21, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
it is not fun to write about a bad team. And I think it is going to be a blast to see just how far we have come!
And that is why I decided to bang this out tonight: http://www.tomahawknation.com/2010/1/21/1262756/closing-the-book-on-the-2009 it shows We can see how far we need to come with the defense.
Here is today's guess:
Christian Jones
Christian Green
Bjeorn Werner
Dan Foose
Corey Lemonier
Jeremy Deering
Todd Chandler
Shaydon Akuna (Terrell leaves)
Eric Dungy (GS)
Eric Young (GS)
-I don’t have a feel for what Schwab will do, wouldn’t mind seeing him here but he may be Kiffin’d
-I think we still have a very good shot at Mack Brown, don’t be surprised if he flips.
-right now I am worried that we miss on Lemonier, but I hope I am overthinking it. I’ll leave him in but I am not very confident.
-Terrell will decommit, Brooks will not
-Calvin Smith to Bama
-Kitchens would be just fine with me instead of Akuna, but I think he goes elsewhere. I like Kitchens a lot.
-Ego won’t happen, but even though he’s overrated I’d still be fine with him coming here.
-I really, really hope we don’t get Dorsey.
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Jan 20, 2010 5:00 PM EST reply actions
I like how it looks as well although I wouldnt mind seeing dorsey, I know he may be some trouble but he will be a good player and doesnt hurt to have some guys with some attitude (greg reid)
Luc & Joyner already bring attitude, so we have that dept. covered. Don't need a lot of attitude guys.
There is also a diff. between on the field swagger attitude and off the field f*ck the police attitude.
Agreed
I am apparently in the minority that really wants Dorsey. To be the best you have to take a few calculated risks and hope you keep the kids in check. He has a great swagger, world class speed, and looks really nice in zone coverage as a center-field type FS.
So did Mike Garvin
just sayin
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Jan 20, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, we are in the minority.
No one is saying Dorsey will qualify. So you place him somewhere. If his character issues are still a concern in a year or two, you don’t have to offer him a scholarship again. Seems like a pretty risk-free scenario.
Apparently Kitchens doesn't like the fact that we will be under probation
Have fun at Syracuse
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
He talked to the coaches at UF
Negative recruiting at it’s finest. Especially when you can convince a kid that Syracuse is a better fit than FSU. I am sure they told him that they will have a spot for him if they miss on someone. Then when he turns us down and we take someone else, the Gates tell him there is no room and he goes to Cuse where he loses 40 games and doesn’t make the league.
by osceolafan850 on Jan 20, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
Negative recruiting
A few good prospects said the same thing. It just sounds absurd to me that it would work. But, I guess on a recruiting trip that if the other coaches put enough fear into someone’s head and it bears fruit.
Urbie is chasing the kids we are looking at just to push them to other schools?
Enjoy Syracuse, ’cause UF will not take you, they just want to throw a monkey wrench into the FSU machine!! Kitchens statement is ridiculous. Good riddance, and I hope we pull our offer. keep this kid out of Garnet and Gold period….Urban Meyer is a scumbag… I would love it if a recruit could wear a wire with Urbie. That would be awesome….. illegal?
Not for an in home visit
Expectation of privacy would cover pretty much anything at a UF facility, but you run into a gray area with expectation of privacy in someone else’s house. At least that is how I remember the law.
by osceolafan850 on Jan 20, 2010 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
As I said, there are some exceptions
such as an employer recording what goes on in its place of business to prevent criminal activity from occurring on the premises. It’s spelled out somewhat in Chapter 934, F.S., with the main section being 934.03
There might be some
cases where person A recorded person B in person A’s home and the court found that there was an expectation of privacy because the conversations occurred in a private residence. There is less protection afforded to conversations occurring in public places. I would generally not advise anyone to test the law because the illegal recording statutes are subject to a fairly wide range of judicial interpretations that depend upon the case-specific circumstances.
It's also dishonest in many ways
though the other side would say that truth tellers would have nothing to fear.
Learning about that in crim law now
KATZ BABY!
ESPNs Take
I posted this on the recruiting board, but i’ll post it here too for opinions
Dont know if this has been referenced or not, but here’s ESPNs take
Billy Tucker (3:07 PM)
“The Seminoles are doing well, very well considering the season they had and that Bobby Bowden is gone. Heading towards NSD they have a top 10 class. I think Christian Jones does land at FSU – and would say most likely.
As far as some possible additions down the stretch for the ’Noles – I could see them landing Christian Green for sure and keep an eye on DE Corey Lemonier and S Demar Dorsey – not as confident with those two as I am with the two Christians, but FSU is the running for them”
I am intrigued by Schwab.
Kid sounds like a complete beast, any word on where he is leaning?
In consideration of the comments above, sounds like a Nole lean
Apparently between FSU & Az. St., but his parents are pushing him toward FSU.
Sounds like ASU
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Jan 20, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
Yep
ESPN has confirmed as well, ASU bound…damn
by SeminoleGrad'08 on Jan 21, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
FSU is doing very well considering Bobby Bowden is gone?
I stopped reading after that.
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
Delvin Jones: Why is he even listed at the top?
Are we recruiting him?
Do any of our coaches have interest?
Have we, or any of the big 3, offered him?
Is he coming for a visit?
Or is he just an uncommitted kid from Fla. that we threw in for “what the hell, why not” reasons?
I don’t see anyone discussing him.
He's a defensive end who has qualifying issues and has been to 4 schools in 4 years
but who has some athleticism and we’ve shown interest. No official offer yet. Was a Tennessee commitment.
NL is just saying it seems odd to mention him
when he has no offer and doesn’t have a visit scheduled.
I agree but he is an option should we miss on some other guys
by Bud Elliott on Jan 20, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
I saw some pics on his Scout profile
and he looks kind of thin for a DE. Maybe they’re a year or two old.
Where did this come from?
Where is this Notre Dame thing coming from with Christian Jones?
He's keeping all of his options open
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Jan 20, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
Forgotten monster
Anybody know anything about Eric young?
Hypothetically
if it is the week before NSD and the coaches are almost certain some of the big named guys they wanted are not coming, do they go after some decent three star guys to make sure they have plenty of players to round out the roster for the up coming season, or do they hold those scholarships and not risk them on some less definitive recruits, but then use walk- ons to fill up the roster?
I would think you take a couple lesser guys because you do need depth.
But you don’t fill your roster/class with a bunch of guys you normally wouldn’t take.
No chandler
Chandler cancelled his visit to us so we can take him off our board
i think he was told not to come we have someone better
koolaid!
Well, gosh, it's a weight off of everybody. I think everybody that is an FSU fan or a coach or a player, this takes a weight off the shoulder. But what does that mean? Seven more days of peace?
by stevegrizzle on Jan 22, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Bjoern Werner
I really hope we get this guy. Really think he’s going to be a beast.
Scout.com Player Evaluation: Werner is an awesome, but raw specimen. He is very strong at the point of attack, using his long arms very well and has a quick burst into the backfield. He can be dominant at times up front and has the closing speed to catch up to just about anybody. Werner shows great athleticism for his size in coverage and often knocks down balls. He plays with a nasty streak and is a punishing hitter. With proper coaching, the sky is the limit… He kind of reminds me of Jared Allen.
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