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Florida State Wednesday Open Recruiting Thread 01.20.10

It's Wednesday and that means we talk recruiting.  Normally FSUSOM would write the column but he is having some account troubles and is feeding me the info through e-mail.  While we know that many follow recruiting every hour of every day, our numbers indicate that people like getting their recruiting information in a once-weekly format.

Since Last Wednesday...

Florida State picked up two recruits in CB Terrence Mitchell and TE Will Tye.  To save space I'll avoid commenting on those two prospects as both have extensive profiles if you simply click on their names.  Both are excellent prospects.  Florida State has far and away the best crop of cornerbacks in the country.  FSU now has the #1 CB, the #5 CB, the #46 CB and the #2 JUCO CB.  No inside information here, but FSU's coaches must really feel bad about the returning crop of defensive backs.  While FSU may have failed to recruit enough numbers along the defensive line, they probably did a worse job evaluating the kids that they did take in the secondary. 

Defensive Endgame

The 'Noles new coaches scored a major victory simply by earning a visit from Rivals #3 DE/ ESPN #13 DT J.R. "Ego" Ferguson.  Don't expect a Ferguson commitment.  It's possible but even if they don't, getting kids on campus for a visit is huge because they will tell their friends that Tallahassee is awesome.  Getting highly rated kids into Tallahassee and Shula's Steakhouse on visits will help in subsequent years.  Most feel Ferguson will go to Cal (he loved his visit) or Miami (his dad was Randy Shannon's HS teammate and his mother lives close).  Of course, FSU commitment Darious Cummings is good friends with Ferguson, who has told anyone and everyone who will listen that he wants to play end.  If it happens that would be great.

DE Bjoern Werner, teammate of Will Tye, is rumored to have canceled his visit to Miami after loving his FSU visit.  It's likely down to FSU and Oregon for the 6'4" 265 lb Strongside-Defensive End.  Note that Werner was born in 1990 which would make him 20 years old during his freshman season.

DE J.C. Copeland, a Tennessee commitment thought to be vulnerable after the departure of Lane Kiffin, revealed that FSU's coaches told him they were full.  This means that FSU's coaches feel very good about their shot at other commitments on the defensive line, that they want to save some scholarships for later, or maybe both.  With FSU already having SDE Darious Cummings and looking good for Werner and potentially Corey Lemonier, the thought is that they simply do not have room for 4 defensive ends. 

Speaking of Cummings, if you haven't seen his film, watch this video.  In fact, this video has a ton of FSU commitments and likely commitments.  Please ignore the commentary.

 

Inside, we talk redshirts, greyshirts, new offensive line offers, and offer a projected class.  Click "continue reading"

Star-divide

Shirts of a different color

Because FSU LB commitment Holmes Onwukaife won't turn 18 until a few months after he graduates high school, he intends to redshirt.  If someone has the link to the blogger who scored his interview, let me know in the comment section and I will properly credit him. 

Reports from Tampa indicate that FSU has offered Tony Dungy's son a greyshirt opportunity (deferred enrollment to spring).  There are a number of reasons why FSU would do this and having Tony Dungy around the program would not be a bad thing.

Trickett makes his move

Aside from Brice Schwab whom we profiled in the last recruiting update, FSU is also on another kid.  NorthJersey.com reports that FSU is now involved with Dan Foose (insert Jersey Shore joke here). Foose is 6'6" 310 lbs.  He's very strong and also smart.  An extremely lean 310 lbs.  FSU offensive line coach Rick Trickett likes smart linemen and likes to evaluate based off senior year film.  Foose fits the profile.  His other offers are Virginia and Illinois, both of whom have put linemen in the league over the past few years.  With the loss of John Prior, FSU will likely take Foose if he wants to come.  The article says he will visit FSU or Virginia this weekend.  My money is on FSU getting the visit.  Here's some film of Foose from his senior year.  I think FSU will get Foose.

I believe DT Calvin Smith is taking a visit to Alabama.  He says he wants to go out of state.  Talking to Bama people, they are sure they want 1 more defensive lineman, but are not sure if Smith is the guy.  Realistically, Bama is the better program.  If they want Smith and he likes his visit, he belongs to the Tide.  Anyone who has been to Tallahassee, however, knows that it is essentially Valdosta-South and is in Florida by name only.  Getting Smith on a visit to Tallahassee could be big.    He is a teammate of DE recruit Corey Lemonier

Another Big Recruiting Weekend

I've heard that Terrence Brooks, Eric Dungy, Cameron Erving, J.R. Ferguson, Dan Foose, Brice Schwab, and Tank Sessions will be in town visiting this weekend. FSU is trying to get other commitments in town as well to show them a great time. Expect at least 1 commitment this weekend, probably Foose.

 

As always, refer to the recruiting board for any info you may need on these prospects!  (or click their story if a link is embedded in their name)

FSU will likely take more than 29 players in this class.  25 will count towards this class, 4 are back-counted to last year's class, and the remainder will greyshirt (enroll next Spring).  With that in mind, here's an chart for you with comments.

Committed Potential Commitments
QB Clint Trickett FSU is done at the QB position. 
RB Debrale Smiley
FSU would take Brown but I don't think they'd take Neal RB Mack Brown or Rajon Neal
Look for FSU to absolutely take Green and if McCartney can get in and wants to come WR Christian Green
WR Ivan McCartney (doubtful, he seems to be all WVU and his kid wears WVU clothes)
WR Kenny Shaw
WR Greg Dent (for now though many think he is a DB)
WR DeJoshua Johnson
TE Will Tye
TE Tank Sessions
FSU will take 1 or 2 offensive linemen. OL Brice Schwab
OL Dan Foose (likely in the class and a potential greyshirt)
Whoever Trickett offers late. 
DE Darious Cummings (End not tackle) Look for FSU to take 7-8 DL in this class (Ends + Tackles)
DE Bjoern Werner (is an end not a tackle)
DE Corey Lemonier
DE J.R. "Ego" Ferguson (is an end not a tackle)
DE Delvin Jones
DT Anthony "Amp" McCloud
DT Damien Jacobs
DT Cameron Erving
DT Calvin Smith
DT Todd Chandler
DT Charles Deas (currently at a JUCO, provided he can get his grades in order, highly doubtful)
FSU will take 5-6 linebackers. LB Christian Jones
LB Jeff Luc
LB Telvin Smith
LB Nigel Terrell
LB Holmes Onwukaife
LB Shaydon Akuna
LB Darrin Kitchens
CB LaMarcus Joyner
CB Terrence Mitchell FSU will not take any more cornerbacks. 
CB Mike Harris (JUCO)
CB Terrence Brooks
S Chad Abrams
Look for FSU to take 1-2 more safeties (not including Eric Dungy) S Jeremy Deering
S Demar Dorsey
S Eric Dungy (greyshirt or nothing)
ATH Jared Haggins (either WR or S)

 

  • If Terrell chooses to leave for Colorado or Ole Miss, it would not be a big loss.  FSU would simply take Kitchens. 
  • If Terrence Brooks chooses to decommit, that would not be a big loss as FSU really doesn't need 4 corners in this class. 
  • With FSU likely taking 6-8 DB's + Haggins, Nick Moody might move to linebacker.

So, given that, how does FSU finish?  Give your final 7, 8, 9, 10, or even 12 players.  We don't need you to re-type the guys who are currently committed.  Please make sure to keep it within the parameters of the above chart so that we can do like comparisons.  If you take more than 8 additional players, please denote the greyshits.  Does Nigel Terrell go elsewhere in your opinion?

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Great articles guys

I will post my commitments soon.

Go Noles!!

by AbeFroman21 on Jan 20, 2010 11:15 AM EST reply actions  

Watching Holmes take on, shed blocks, and make tackles is so refreshing...

Kid knows how to play the game…

"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath

by NaGaNole on Jan 20, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Awesome

That is a great interview and it sounds like this kid has his head on straight. Can’t wait to see him in G&G!

by BossNole on Jan 20, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Good reason

I am a fan of his great interview he has a lot of respect and it shows.

by atlnolefan on Jan 20, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

HA....

“Q: How was your official visit, who showed you around?

A: I was paired with Dustin Hopkins, but it was fantastic, it really firmed up my commitment."

I’m sure he didn’t mean it but he makes it sound like even tho he was paired with our K it was still fantastic ;D

by KnoxNole on Jan 20, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

They are both from Texas

" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."

" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!

The process begins!

by DocHoliday2 on Jan 20, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

If you're on twitter

Follow @FSUROCKER (responsible for Onwukaife interview by sportsbrewkings.com)

by CSI Nole on Jan 20, 2010 12:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Christian Jones, Christian Green, Chaz Green, Foose (GS), Ego, Werner, Lemonier, Deering, Smith, Dungy (GS). I think Terrell stays. Sorry to throw a monkey wrench in there, but I think FSU goes hard after Chaz Green and lands him…

"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath

by NaGaNole on Jan 20, 2010 11:20 AM EST reply actions  

No shot

365 days, until I change my ways.

by SWFLNole. on Jan 20, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

always look forward to weds!!! thanks for the write up!

MY ELITE 8 : 1. C jones
                            2. C green
                            3. C lemonier
                            4. S. Akuna
                            5. J. Deering
                            6. Werner
                            7. C smith
                            8. ferguson

by delfi on Jan 20, 2010 11:24 AM EST reply actions  

One point:

Regarding,

DE J.C. Copeland, a Tennessee commitment thought to be vulnerable after the departure of Lane Kiffin, revealed that FSU’s coaches told him they were full. This means that FSU’s coaches feel very good about their shot at other commitments on the defensive line, that they want to save some scholarships for later, or maybe both. With FSU already having SDE Darious Cummings and looking good for Werner and potentially Corey Lemonier, the thought is that they simply do not have room for 4 defensive ends.

This may also mean we don’t want to use a ship on a bit of a tweener (undersized DT, too short DE), and letting the kid down easy, while saving the ship for ’11.

by arrdub on Jan 20, 2010 11:28 AM EST reply actions  

I'm thinking it mostly has to do

with the studs we have such a great shot for next year at DE. Absolute studs. More than OK with taking no more ends after Lemonier and Werner.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Jan 20, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I will be happy as long as we land Ray Drew.

You're so wise. You're like a miniature Buddha, covered in hair.

by Nole93 on Jan 20, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's my SWAG

WR Christian Green
OL Foose
OL Schwab
DE Werner
DE Lemonier
DE Ferguson
LB Akuna
S Deering
S Dorsey (Sign and Place)

Deas (Fails to Qualify)
Christian Jones to USC
Calvin Smith to Alabama
Chandler stays at USF

Telvin Smith stays with FSU

by coonhound on Jan 20, 2010 11:32 AM EST reply actions  

Sounds about right except for CJ

Christian Jones is a Nole…and hopefully Deas does qualify

by Nolez4Life on Jan 20, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Moody to LB

is the right move (just as Hudson to Center and Davis to G would be) IMO. It really comes down to how safeties matter in Stoops’ scheme. While it may be more of a commentary on the size of athletes UA could actually get in there, take a look at the size of safeties in their 2-deep depth chart ( I think the SS/FS designation are misreported, but is useful nonetheless)

2007

SS 20 Cam Nelson 6-1 180 So.
34 Brandon Tatum 6-1 181 So.

FS 8 Dominic Patrick 6-1 207 Sr.
32 Nate Ness 6-1 190 Jr.-RS

2008

SS 20 Cam Nelson 6-1, 200, Jr.
9 Joe Perkins 6-2, 180, So.

FS 32 Nate Ness 6-1, 190, Sr.
34 Brandon Tatum 6-1, 210, Jr.
21 Corey Hall 5-10, 190, Jr.

2009

SS 1 Robert Golden, 5-11, 190, Soph.
9 Joe Perkins, 6-2, 198, Jr.

FS 20 Cam Nelson, 6-1, 202, Jr.
34 Brandon Tatum, 6-1, 210, Sr.

6-1, 210 is the biggest Safety that got significant playing time under Stoops. At 6-1, 235 (legit, IMO), Moody would be the biggest Safety by 25 lbs. that Stoops has ever played.

I’d say that Stoops asks that both his safeties on the field be able to play more of a “centerfield” style play than 4th LB (even from the SS); Mickey essentially used the SS as a 4th linebacker (in essence, a 4-4 cover 1).

This could also explain why we are going after so many DBs right now. Terrance Brooks and LJ will stay as CBs, but I think someone like Mike Harris (6-1, 183) could play S in Stoops’ scheme with about 10-15 more lbs. (He has the frame to add it).

by ricobert1 on Jan 20, 2010 11:36 AM EST reply actions  

I didn't realize Moody was 235

I’d be shocked if he didn’t move to LB.

As Stoops takes the 4th linebacker (aka rover) out of the base defense, and plays in more zone, it ought to be easier for younger players to come in and see significant time on 1st and 2nd down.

by fsu44 on Jan 20, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Rico, I agree with you on Moody, however I am not so sure on Hudson.

While it would be better for Hudson to be moved to center for his future in the NFL, I am not so sure it would be in FSU best interest to move him. While this is strictly subjective and just my opinoion, I kinda like him on the left side helping Datko/Sanderson protect CP7’s back.

>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em

by FrankDNole on Jan 20, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

True

But if you can have your 5 best linemen on the field and that’s with Hudson at Center, then so be it. I thought Davis was quite serviceable at G with Hudson out. Obviously, he’s no Hudson, but again, serviceable.

by ricobert1 on Jan 20, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Consistency and chemistry are more important on the line than everywhere else

Our offensive line has more experience playing together than basically any team in the nation. By shifting that around, you’d potentially damage the chemistry. At this point in their college careers, Datko knows how to relate to Hudson’s movements and vice versa. When one moves, the line moves.

by basaltrock on Jan 20, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Move Moody

strickly based on weight? Watch film and you can see the kid is quick and fluid enough to play safety. It’s not a bad thing to have an ‘enforcer’ type safety, ie Taylor Mays

"Kill a fly with an axe"

by SteadfastNole on Jan 20, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I would not mind having some decent sized safeties

If they are going to be needed to help in run support. This past season the D Line and Linebackers seemed to not get the job done, and all the safeties were former corners, who were just too small to tackle big running backs, much less some of the bigger TEs and WRs. At least when Myrone Rolle was playing he was big enough to help stop some runs from being big gainers to home runs, if you know what I mean.

by nolestuff on Jan 20, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not going to lie.

Gibson isn’t ringing a bell with me. I assumed you were being serious and he was a player I just didn’t really remember until you said Hall. Now I’m wondering if he wasn’t that good.

by tricknole on Jan 21, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd even take a couple Jerome Carter's.

Pat Watkins was even solid before that concussion against…Duke(?).

I guess I don’t care how big they are as long as they are good. Bigger is better, but good is better than big.

by tricknole on Jan 21, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Anthony Houllis

beast mode

I know you can fight. But it's our wits that make us men.

by TitanNole on Jan 21, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

dueche mode

It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee

by RaysnNoles on Jan 21, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

But right now our front 7 is still small. It will be bigger this season but very inexperienced so having a safety who can help out more with run support would be a good thing IMO.

by grubworm on Jan 20, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

My list

1. Jones
2.Green
3. Deering
4. Lemonier
5.Foose
6. Ferguson
7. Kitchens

by atlnolefan on Jan 20, 2010 11:37 AM EST reply actions  

Corey Cooper is the 4th ranked player in Illinois per Rivals..

He could be a huge get if he makes it down to visit this saturday…

by 850 on Jan 20, 2010 11:37 AM EST reply actions  

Disappointed

yet not completely surprised that he did end up canceling. I was really hoping that we could get this kid on campus. Liked what I saw from the brief film I’ve been able to find on the kid.

Any chance he re-schedules?

by Warchant-7 on Jan 20, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

We don't need him at all

We have a great DB class.

Speak softly, and carry a big Spear

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 20, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Alrighty then....

I’m not trying to discredit our current haul at DB because I think it is fairly obvious that we’ve done a tremendous job in the secondary.

See more potential at CB than I do S in this class though. I personally would take Cooper over Brooks, Haggins, and maybe Abrams. But again, haven’t seen much of Cooper, so I might be a little off in that statement, but I’ll go out on a limb, for the sake of candid discussion, to see where the balance of TN stands.

by Warchant-7 on Jan 20, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Well if we are playing the "swap" game

I might agree with you on some of those. Though Haggins says he is being brought in as a wideout. But from a sheer #s perspective we have a lot of DB’s and plan to take Deering.

by Bud Elliott on Jan 20, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Dent

Will he remain at WR?

….and I’m a huge proponent of Deering as well. Raw athleticism and tremendous ceiling on him at the S position.

We don’t have to play the “swap game” and didn’t intend to start a digression from the original intent of the thread.

Just stating my opinion from what I have seen and more trying to gauge where he falls in the group from a talent perspective than anything.

by Warchant-7 on Jan 20, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

No digression intended...

just trying to get a feel for where a majority would place Cooper from a talent perspective stacked up against our current class.

No intention to take anything away from this thread of steer it off its intended path.

Apologies.

by Warchant-7 on Jan 20, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

not to mention a guy like Haggins is pretty much unswapable for 2 reasons

1) Legacy
2) Wouldn’t want to strain a relationship with a power like Sarasota HS

by Cigar City Nole on Jan 20, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Again...

I understand the reasons….just trying to gain a perspective on Coopers level of talent.

….and I believe Haggins goes to Lakeland as well.

by Warchant-7 on Jan 20, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I just think there's the question in the back of everyone's mind that he might have gotten an FSU offer b/c of connections

Of course, you could say the same about Clint, but no one seems to be dogging him. He’s a 3-star just like Haggins.

by FSUjab on Jan 20, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I could see that

if he weren’t the star QB on a VERY talented football powerhouse in Florida, who had mediocre film and was at a school that FSU wasn’t trying to make inroads with.

Your explanation may be what’s going on here.

by tricknole on Jan 20, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

My picks

Green
Jones
Werner
Lemonier
Deering
Foose
Chandler
Smith

I think UA gets a better player than Smith so he goes to us. I think we take a chance on Chandler because Ego goes to UM. Not as sure about Lemonier as I was a few weeks ago, but that is due more to nerves than smoke.

by osceolafan850 on Jan 20, 2010 11:39 AM EST reply actions  

Nervous about Lemonier.

Canes rivals site is pimping his decision big time, and the folks that get the interview are often the favorites. Will be disappointed if we don’t get Ego or Lemonier, though. We need the help. Besides Bama, I think if we lose on Lemonier we lose on Smith as well, so that could be double damage.

Pretty confident about most of our other big fish… Christian’s, Deering, Werner appear to be very likely.

by arrdub on Jan 20, 2010 11:42 AM EST reply actions  

Ditto on arrdub's thoughts

"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett

by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 20, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Rivals Sites are rubbish

We have a much better shot at Lemonier than UM does. I think he’s already told our coaches he’s on board.

In fact, I think Auburn might have a better shot with Lemon than the Canes.

by Nole2005 on Jan 20, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Spot on

Auburn is the only competition FSU has for Lemonier. However, I think in the end he’ll want to stay in state and don the G&G

by Nolez4Life on Jan 20, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't be

Randy Shannon hasn’t made an in-home visit yet nor has Lemonier even visited scUM’s campus. He’s already made his decision but he’s waiting til signing day to reveal it…watch him to put on an FSU hat and ink his LOI to Tallahassee

by Nolez4Life on Jan 20, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Why nervous?

I hear he has yet to visit UM. A buddy of mine has a close friend who coaches in the area Lemonier is from. He has always said he is leaning heavily towards FSU. And this coach is not a Nole!!!

by tuvalu on Jan 20, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Here goes

1. Deering
2. Werner
3. Jones
4.Schwab
5.Lemonier
6.Green
7. Surprise
8. Surprise

by Scalpemall on Jan 20, 2010 11:42 AM EST reply actions  

Abe Froman's list

Werner commits this week
Deering
Foose
Another lineman
Christian Green
Schwab
Lemonier
Dungy (GS)
We pull a big name from another team

Go Noles!!

by AbeFroman21 on Jan 20, 2010 11:49 AM EST reply actions  

I have a feeling

of pulling a committed recruit from a big named school.

Go Noles!!

by AbeFroman21 on Jan 20, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Please no Demar

Speak softly, and carry a big Spear

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 20, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

kill me

Speak softly, and carry a big Spear

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 20, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

lets shoot each other....

exactly the kind of image I DO NOT WANT

by Tap2Times on Jan 20, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

ugh.

It must be difficult being a normal University student and referring to this guy as one of your “peers”.

by Egret on Jan 20, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know what he's saying.

Not that I really care. I would sign and place him if he wanted out of UF. No harm in that.

by tricknole on Jan 20, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

… with Werner, Lemonier, and Green- but I feel like we are real close to landing C. Jones!!!

by tuvalu on Jan 20, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

List

1. Jones – Biggest Pull
2. Lemonier – Really need this one too
3. Green
4. Deering.
5. Werner – Rated us a 10 on his visit, us signing Tye helps us pull him in
6. Foose – hopefully he doesnt go to UVA, They are known for producing NFL Lineman
7. Schwab
8. Ferguson
 

  • For some reason I feel like we lose either Green, Jones or Lemonier I just don’t know which one. Hope we pull all 3!

by derekg on Jan 20, 2010 11:58 AM EST reply actions  

Trickett

Hopefully so. I think when we get bigger O-lineman in with Trickett’s technique sky is the limit

by derekg on Jan 20, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

is this mass recruiting of DB's a sign?

Do yall think that a lot of the current DB’s will be transferring soon?

by SpearThis on Jan 20, 2010 12:16 PM EST reply actions  

Corey Cooper?

I want us to get Corey Cooper at Safety.

by chipfsu30 on Jan 20, 2010 12:43 PM EST reply actions  

Well, that was one of Stoops guys number one. He had a Florida State official visit set for this weekend ?? Also Demar Dorsey either stays with FU or (Fails to Qualify).

by chipfsu30 on Jan 20, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

My point is that we feel good about Deering right now. Very good. And that is one of Jimbo’s guys and is from FL. How many DBs do we need in this class? Is Corey Cooper so good to you that he is a must take?

Don’t want Dorsey.

365 days, until I change my ways.

by SWFLNole. on Jan 20, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

How do you feel about getting Jared Haggins on our squad? 2 family members in this class? Just wondering what you guys think….

by chipfsu30 on Jan 20, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

You mean family members of coaches.

You don’t take a commitment from Haggins back in, what, July, from a powerhouse like Lakeland, just to turn him away a few weeks before NSD. Just saying. I think the kid has some skill.

by tricknole on Jan 20, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Will

stocking up on DB’s this year…..how will this effect next year(2011) class….We got to go after Robenson Therezie…..

by goatnole76 on Jan 20, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't think it will

I expect us to sign 5-6 DBs next year.

Speak softly, and carry a big Spear

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 20, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Is Dorsey too mildly thuggish?

UF was, after all, the team whose guy tried to gun somebody down with an AK47.

by Drew J Jones on Jan 20, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Dorsey isn't up to snuff.

UF likes their criminals to have that KGB/Afghani-style edge, sporting the AK’s. Dorsey’s 9 won’t cut it.

by arrdub on Jan 20, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

?? That doesnt make any sense......

Pictured at left with the gun and what looks to be about $16 (dinner for two at Wendy’s) is Leon Orr, 6-4 295lb defensive lineman commitment and "collect money cartel" member.

Pictured below with what appear to be gang signs are Orr and DE Lynden Trail, Florida commitments. How can they not want Dorsey? Double standard?

by chipfsu30 on Jan 20, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Great picture of Orr...bet he'll make it all 4 years in Hogtown.

I think the caption should read, “Oh shit! He’s got enough money for a box of ammo!”.

by mountain renegade on Jan 20, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough...

I have followed FSU football for the past 24 years and am well aware of some of the “characters” we have recruited in the past…and I sincerely hope that recruiting people with poor character is a thing of the past. However, when one posts any picture on the internet, one opens oneself up to ridicule. I’m just glad, this time, it’s UF getting the bad PR :-)

by mountain renegade on Jan 20, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

True it never hurts having some guys who have a little attitude, I would take dorsey in a heart beat as long as jimbo set guidelines for his behavoir if he wants to stay on the team

by fsu1510 on Jan 20, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Per Jimbo Fisher
“We must have character-quality athletes at Florida State, not characters.”

>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em

by FrankDNole on Jan 21, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Obviously.

I find it funny that people are saying how bad of a kid Dorsey is (when I think most are just repeating 3rd hand information) but ignore that not all of our recruits/commits and current players are “character-quality atheltes”.

The fans are picking and choosing which kids to apply Jimbo’s quotes to.

by tricknole on Jan 21, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Another problem with Dorsey is grades.

I think blogger sentiment against Dorsey results from the double whammy, particularly since so many highly rated Bowden era recruits never made it to the field (at least not for very long) due to one or the other. We just don’t want to repeat the mistakes of the past and waste a spot when we have quality options who are not carrying baggage in both hands.

not all of our recruits/commits and current players are "character-quality atheltes".

Can you name our current commits that have those issues and explain what they are?

And of the remaining guys that we are still recruiting, can you do the same?

by NoleLaw on Jan 21, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

All of those guys are on the roster, i.e., they are not current commitments or among the remaining targeted recruits. They were brought in when BB was head coach; not Fisher.
I don’t even know why I am responding. Dorsey is going to WVU because of his grades. We already have enough DBs and we’ll probably add Deering.
Intelligence & character of current recruits/commits > Dorsey. All can ball. What’s the hangup?
Grades, a kid can work on. Character is harder to change. If he’s a sign & place, its no big deal b/c he’ll have time to improve the grades and show he can clean his act up. See Downs & Mizell. You hope the kid can get his act together.
Character is a bigger whammy than grades because guys with character issues have bad attitudes and get bitter if they get booted off the team for off-the-field activities. They get bitter and bad mouth the school. See Rouse. Not something we need considering the class we are signing.

by NoleLaw on Jan 22, 2010 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Well I said "current players".

And if Dorsey were going to qualify and had major character issues, that’s one thing. But signing him and placing him in juco for 2 years is an entirely different beast. If he can’t get his act together while away, you don’t have to resign him. There is very little risk, imo.

by tricknole on Jan 22, 2010 2:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think he's that good

Always thought his ESPN rating was ludicrous. For those that point to his all-star game performance, you have to realize that the format of those games is heaven for safeties. There’s a reason that ALL safeties look good in those games. Now, I agree that a sign and place deal is low risk and wouldn’t mind it, but I don’t think he should be a priority.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Jan 22, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I never said he should be a priority.

I don’t know him as well as the coaches do, though. If they think the rewards outweigh the risks, cool. If they don’t, they won’t pursue him too heavily and won’t sign him if it it’s too much hassle. But if he wants to sign, you let him, imo. No harm in it.

by tricknole on Jan 22, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with little risk in sign & place.

Part of the reason grade concern and character issues are a double whammy is that kids who are not too bright generally have a higher rate of doing stupid sh*t & getting caught as opposed to smarter kids who simply played characters to survive in their hometown neighborhoods. Smarter kids may still do stupid sh*t, but are less apt to get caught. Getting caught means you never see the field.

by NoleLaw on Jan 22, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Trail has at least "Manned up" and addressed the photos which he says were taken a few years back

He stated that he was “just a wannbe” at that time. I’m willing to give Trail the benefit of the doubt, for now. Joyner is from a similar neighborhood, Jeff Luc didn’t always do the right thing growing up but those kids turned it around. Maybe Trail can too. He heads his school’s video department and make highlight tapes of his teammates to help them get recruited. Not an end all, but I’d give him the benefit of the doubt. I deal with kids in the inner city and I see the type pressure kids from those type of neighborhoods face. So no need for ignorant comments about things some of you folks don’t know about.

Dorsey on the other hand, it seems like people have PRESENT concerns about him. Not only in regards to his off field activities I suppose, but also his grades. UF wants us to take Dorsey off their hands and be our problem. They know our class is shaping up to be better than anyone imagined and would like nothing more than to stick up with a kid that won’t even qualify. Dorsey is an eligibilty risk first, character risk second, TRUST!

by westcoastnolefan on Jan 20, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

So you take him and sign him.

It’s a “Wow” type move. “Stealing” a 4* from UF on NSD. Plus, no one expects him to qualify. So he has a year or two to right his academics and character issues. If he doesn’t, you don’t resign him. Not a big deal, imo.

by tricknole on Jan 20, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Who cares if we "steal" someone from UF?

A few idiots who post on rivals?

I don’t think anyone will care when Dorsey doesn’t qualify/shoots someone.

Speak softly, and carry a big Spear

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 20, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Damn "stealing" someone. We need kids who are gonna be on the field, like Deering

Snatch up Deering and his upside and leave well enough alone. We can’t “steal” a kid UF no longer even wants

by westcoastnolefan on Jan 20, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

it seems like they are dumping Dorsey and going after Deering now. Maybe they just want to bury him in their depth chart, and keep him out of Tally? (joking)

by chipfsu30 on Jan 20, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't realize that we had a resident inner city expert...

Having worked in an inner city, does that make you an authority on all inner cities or just the one(s) that you worked in? Thank you for politically correcting my “ignorant comments”. In the future, westcoastnolefan, perhaps you could compile a list of topics that are OK to joke about.

by mountain renegade on Jan 21, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

"Resident inner city" expert? LOL. Those are your words not mine. I simply prefer to call it perspective

And trust, that perspective does not start nor stop with me. But for you to even pose your initial question reveals as that needs to be known about the level of your perspective.Besides, do we really want ESPN investigative reports digging into the background of OUR players? I’ll pass, lol. Hard truth: Every big money program engages in the practice of recruiting kids who’s background could be called into question.But as long as they can meet the admission requirements they will welcomed as the results on the field are desirable. Big time sports are in a “ends justify the means” business. The last time Nebraska won a national title it was with Lawrence Phillips as their lead tailback. A documented gang member once won Super Bowl MVP,and neither program or franchise would ever entertain the thought of giving back their championships (Nor should they.

I just find it amusing and hypocritical to joke about pictures such as those when we would have taken all three players if they choice to commit to FSU. We recruit those very same neighborhoods and need to do so even more effectively. We have commited scholarships to a few players who have admittedly “didnt always do the right thing” But they overcame their enviromental obstacles, listened to people who had their best interests in mind, and DAMN,they made it to college of all places! I would like to think Trail and Orr can make the same transition. If they go the route of Nu"Keese Richardson, they will have to deal with the consequences as their actions as their lives will become instantly more difficult. Society will be slow to issue them a second chance. You have the liberty to joke about whatever you please bub, but just remember, we offered both of those kids.

by westcoastnolefan on Jan 21, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe that Orr was offered way before Fisher took over...

One of the things I admire most about Jimbo is that he is trying to change our “Criminole” reputation (and that is the jab that stings the most coming from rival fans). And for the record, I do believe that people can positively change their lives. From my perspective, the less players we have doing stupid shit, the better. I am operating under the assumption that as a team, FSU is better off without Leon Orr.

by mountain renegade on Jan 21, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I too, am glad Fisher has tried to put a premium on character

Character and talent is a hard balance to navigate.JF receives my full support. The main reason I defended Trail is an article were he explained the photos and seems to be making a sincere attempt to do the right thing. Orr? I haven’t a clue. As far as the “Criminole” reputation? That has always been overblown. I remember when OU had a starting QB selling cocaine and a DB who shot an O-lineman on campus while Nebraska had a WR throwing up gangsigns in a team photo,whatever!.“Criminoles” and “Free Shoes University”? Just catchy BS that the media latched unto after a few incidents( To hell w/u Spurrier!). And lastly, I am just as proud of Holmes and Cam Erving being Noles as I am of Luc and LJ

by westcoastnolefan on Jan 21, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Deering

Do you know if Florida is believed to have made a major impression last weekend during his official visit?

by chipfsu30 on Jan 20, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm gonna bet his visit was a "10."

I don’t think I’ve ever heard a recruit say otherwise when asked.

by NOLEinTX on Jan 20, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

So, I messed up and forgot Green lets try this again.

Jones, Lemonier, Deering, Werner, Green, Foose, Kitchens (Terrell deflects), Chandler, Dungy (GS), possibly another OL late offer.

That adds 8-9 to the class.

365 days, until I change my ways.

by SWFLNole. on Jan 20, 2010 12:43 PM EST reply actions  

Chandler? Interesting since a lot of posters seems to be divided over his character and upside

Don’t have a list, but realistically I think we may lose one of the big three (Jones, Green, and Lemonier). If we keep them and add Deering (Who may be a must get) we’ll be a top five class for certain. Unimaginable 2 months ago!

by westcoastnolefan on Jan 20, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

His HS coach was a bit upset

A while back he said UM just stopped recruiting the kid and didn’t even explain why. Don’t know if it was enough to completely turn him off on the staff but that sort of thing has to have some kind of affect. Just unprofessional.

by osceolafan850 on Jan 20, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you SWFL

Finally, someone else thinks that Chandler is a balla. He would make an instant impact in the run game for us.

by Noletorious on Jan 20, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

everyone thought this kid was a stud until Miami let him go. Now the Cane fans start doggin him about his size/character issues. If we pull a kid from Miami Northwestern, im not going to lie, i’ll get a lil chuckle out of it. What a way to dominate SoFla this year.

by fsudude on Jan 20, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Jones
Green
Foose
Werner
Deering
Chandler
Kitchens
Smith/Schwab
(GS) Dungy

Unsure if we really want Chandler but I don’t feel good about Lemonier or any DE besides Werner. Would much rather see Corey L take that spot!

by econole23 on Jan 20, 2010 12:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Excellent write up

I would really like to see the offensive tackle Schwab in this class. I like the sound of monster one and done type tackles.

" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."

" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!

The process begins!

by DocHoliday2 on Jan 20, 2010 1:14 PM EST reply actions  

Schwab

Some think we will land him. Any good reasons why?

by Redare on Jan 20, 2010 1:25 PM EST reply actions  

Good Reason!

Parents have greatly influenced our recruits in the past. Is he a USC commit already?

by Redare on Jan 20, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Does Schwab start?

I thought Schwab was looking for a school with limited depth at LT and a fairly clear cut opportunity to start from day one, then bolt for the league.

Is he talented enough to arrive on Campus this summer and push Datko down the depth chart to #2?

Still needs to learn the system and you know Trickett will have a few technique adjustments that he will require, and then there is the continuity factor that was mentioned elsewhere. Just not sure about this one.

I think Schwab ends up back at USC.

by Warchant-7 on Jan 20, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he could start

The guy is a beast.

Is he talented enough to arrive on Campus this summer and push Datko down the depth chart to #2?

He could also beat our Zebrie.

by Bud Elliott on Jan 20, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Trickett probably liked the part in Miracle

Where they bring in the guy right before the Olympics and right before they are about to trim and finalize the roster. Keeps everyone pissed off.

by fsu44 on Jan 20, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Earlier in this thread people are upset about Lemonier's parents swaying him to UM

I’m all for influential parents, but only when they are pushing their kids to FSU.

Speak softly, and carry a big Spear

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 20, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I Agree

In the past it has hurt more than helped. I hope it’s not the case with Lemonier.

by Redare on Jan 20, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand what you are saying.

As a parent, do you provide the best guidance and allow him to make the decision or do you force him to where you want him to go? (don’t know if that’s the exact case with Lemonier).

by Redare on Jan 20, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

While I wasnt a kid being recruited for football, I’d handle it just like my parents handled me when I was selecting colleges and grad schools. Help them make the best choice by weighing all the options.

I didnt go to the Undergraduate or Graduate institution my parents wanted me to, but they just tried to let me do my best wherever I went.

365 days, until I change my ways.

by SWFLNole. on Jan 20, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

My parents stayed out of my college choice...

But I suppose a potential future seven figure salary wasn’t on the line.

by Nole2005 on Jan 20, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I read the same thing from a source

From a reliable website.

Speak softly, and carry a big Spear

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 20, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

not from what I read

Just said that Arizona State was our biggest opponent here and his parents want him at FSU.

Speak softly, and carry a big Spear

by tdchrisdavis on Jan 20, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I have heard the same thing from someone who has talked to him (Schawb) directly

Talked to FSUn about it and he thinks we have a good shot because the kid would relate better to Trickett

It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee

by RaysnNoles on Jan 20, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

SI

reporting Schwab to ASU.

by wnc_nole on Jan 22, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

It is official

It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee

by RaysnNoles on Jan 22, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

This would be a nice haul.

1. Jones
2. Green
3. Schwab
4. Ferguson
5. Lemonier
6. Smith
7. Werner
8. Deering
9. Dungy (GS)
10. Foose (GS)

I dont think we pull that off, but that would be great.

by TimScribble on Jan 20, 2010 1:47 PM EST reply actions  

Joyner

About a month ago (before I canceled my subscription) some well respected posters on the Club Level board of another site were in agreement that Joyner will play safety at FSU. I’ve not seen him discussed as such here. Not trying to make waves, just wondering where the disconnect is because both groups of posters, there and here, do very good work.

Props to the team here. Longtime reader just now starting to post.

by MU Seminole on Jan 20, 2010 2:21 PM EST reply actions  

He has stated that he wants to play safety a couple times, as it is his favorite position. He is an excellent tackler, so many believe that is where he will end up. I was on the fence about it until i watched him at the Under Armour game and there is no doubt in my mind today that Joyner is a CB all the way. He has unlimited potential at that position.<