5* OLB prospect Christian Jones has been working in a credit retrieval program to try to pull up some of his grades. He is doing it to try and meet the Notre Dame admission standards and is leaning that way. [Jones has called this a "college credit program"]
I've edited out the identity of the source to preserve anonymity, but this person is definitely in a position to know. It's a long way till signing day but this is interesting to say the least. Strap in. It's gonna be a wild ride. Kids lean in a different direction each day and if I had to guess, it would be that he is doing this only to keep his Notre Dame option open should he choose the Irish.
Many who follow the situation closely believe Jones' father, Willie Sr. (a 'Nole himself who played under Bowden) is still angry over the Bowden situation. I'd be worried if a parent wanted to send his son to play for someone who didn't know the son's name. It is believed Jones will still unofficially visit FSU before signing day. He is close with several current FSU commitments.
This is far from over. Jones gives good interviews and it could be interpreted that he has has a new favorite each week.
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Only I didn't say 'fudge.'
I said the word. The big one. The queen mother of dirty words. The ‘f, dash, dash, dash’ word.
by ricobert1 on Jan 20, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd be shocked if he went to ND. Unless he wanted to be the star on a bad D instead of a star on a good D.
Better players around you make you look better. Neither ND nor Kelly has had a great D in a while
2010 Seminoles. National Champions in my heart.
It is what it is....gotta keep on him...
I hope he comes here, but if not we have to move on….
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
Is this thread going to blow up like the Elam thread??
2010 AD = 1 AB for FSU
Hopefully not
people need to realize that there is only so much FSU can do. If posters act like idiots they’ll get the suspension.
+1
People need to get real. We can’t get everyone we go for, much less everyone we want. This gonna be a great class and it will be fun to watch how things pan out.
What we do in life, echoes in eternity.
While true
this is a legacy kid. Ugh, this is disappointing. I wish him well wherever he goes, but man I really hope that is FSU.
I have to admit to you guys, I almost take this harder than losing him to UF. I really, really, REALLY hate Notre Dame.
blah.
Agree
Notre Dame is a very close 2nd to UF on the hatred scale. Maybe the only two schools in all of America that I absolutely can’t stand losing recruits too.
Really?
For me its easy. UT has something that should belong to us. On the other hand, we have something we failed to defeat ND in order to earn. Maybe that’s too cut & dry, however that’s it in black & white AFAIC.
Disliking ND because they’re lame by certain criteria or because they receive way more praise than they deserve is sort of like drinking “haterade” IMHO. For whatever reason, fortune seems to favor them.
BTW, i prematurely opened the whiskey today, so please take that into account when reading/replying etc. Not sure if it shows in my posts, luckily spelling/grammar check are my friends.
"fortune seems to favor them"
Not since a wonderful November day in 1993….when a certain BC kick sailed in between the uprights. They’re living (dying?) on a legacy that is becoming ancient history.
ND was THE team of the 20th Century in NCAA football. Nearly all of it achieved between 1910 and 1990.
Gotcha
1. Most well known Catholic school in the USA by far (and the world)
2. Massive tradition (albeit fading)
3. A ton of power and big contracts (very motivating to keeping them on the front page…above the fold).
by PoseidoNole on Jan 22, 2010 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
Take these 3 away and......
They’re essentially the dog crap you scrape off your shoe after discovering your Pr!ck neighbor is lazy regardless of any assurances he/she may have given.
Haha, but you can't separate that from ND.
That is ND.
That’s like saying if you take away the Seminoles, the 2 national titles, Heisman winners, other award winners, those 14 straight seasons of top 5 finishes and not losing a bowl, and Bobby Bowden from FSU, it’s the dog crap on your shoe…
They win 2 games in a row and they are a top 10 team
they play that crappy schedule and with 2 losses, they might still make a national championship game.
I hate that place more than you could conceivably imagine.
Some of us
older more distinguished Noles have it as
scUM and Gaturds neck in neck for #1
and
the University of Felons Gatards and Thug U tied for #2.
The rest of the college football world can suck it good and they can suck it hard as they are irrelevant.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
If i asked that question in the 90's
I have NO DOUBT scUM would be a unanimous decision Frank. It’s hard to hate someone you almost pity. ALMOST. Here’s where things get weird for me personally…… My girl’s a Cane. I feel like i’m in one of those ESPN commercials when we’re kissing.(you know, the one w/ the Mich. and OSU fans making out.) But she’s a keeper, so what can i do?
See, I grew up a fan of Miami
I was on the field for a lot of big games as a kid. I’ll be honest, I still love Ed Reed.
So while I now hate the U, and believe me, I hate them, it will never be the same as my hate for UF, which has been a constant. IF 15 years from now, we are regularly stomping UF, and losing consistently to Miami, that might change, but lets get real, we wont be losing to Miami consistently (see what I did there).
Same is true of USC
But with USC, it takes 5-6 losses before the pollsters will take them out of the top 10.
If he's going for football
I see disappointment in his future. If he’s going for academics and to be a good student while playing football it will be another story.
What we do in life, echoes in eternity.
No chance...
that was a kick-in-the-gut kind of day. Not only Elam (whatever)…but Powell and Floyd joining Easley. Felt like we were further than ever from catching UF on that day. Well…maybe not as bad as ’07!
I’ve reset my expectations. Finish in the Top 10 and have a strong showing this fall against a challenging schedule. I’ve realized….we’re simply not in UF’s league anymore…and it may take a few years before we beat them on NSD or in November.
The recruiting mods expected Powell and Floyd, but because
those kids weren’t in play for FSU, they didn’t talk about them (we don’t discuss prospects for whom we are not in play usually). Then it hurt badly.
I’ve reset my expectations. Finish in the Top 10 and have a strong showing this fall against a challenging schedule. I’ve realized….we’re simply not in UF’s league anymore…and it may take a few years before we beat them on NSD or in November.
For those of you who didn’t believe me when I said Bowden was done, think back and ask yourself if you would have believed me if I told you we’d land a top 10 class.
I didn't think they were going to FSU...
But I had no idea all 4 of these elite defenders would go to UF. Not all 4. Not after Dec 26. That was the hard part…not so much that we didn’t get any of them…but that they all went to stinkin’ UF. It crushed my hope that UF was even slightly headed in the wrong direction. FUDGE! Okay…back to the present.
Wait till Meyer bails.
Even if he doesn’t, his deranged behavior is a sign that he’s unstable. It’s a house of cards waiting for FSU to blow on it. And some hurricane force winds are building in Tallahassee.
Hope you're right (about him bailing)...
but I don’t really see it. i think he just was being a giant baby…and his panic attacks got the best of him. I get the impression lately…that he wonders what the heck HE himself was thinking in December. If his assitants are remotely decent…he’s got a VERY full cupboard to win another NC. Soon.
by PoseidoNole on Jan 22, 2010 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
Good luck to them making it through FSU, LSU, and Bama, God bless their hearts.
I’d like to believe they don’t win another NC in the next 10 yrs.
Don't hold your breath
If LSU gets real coach, if UGA gets out of its own way, if Saban stays for the next decade and if Jimbo does what we think he will then perhaps but I wouldn’t bet on it with all of those ifs.
by Jamil Dawson on Jan 22, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
If......
“if” were a fifth, we’d all be drunk. Oh wait, after the 09’ season most of us probably are! : )
A lot of other ifs can happen there too.
If Meyer leaves or has health problems and UF runs through a string of coaches like Bama did before Saban
If Bama remains as consistent as UF regardless of whether Saban stays (Bama has the $$$ to stay consistent)
If UT, OU, USC, are strong enough to beat UF if they are playing in the title game.
If Tenn. starts scheduling smarter and gets good again.
If UF gets hit with NCAA sanctions for some unknown reason.
IF Fox gets the ACC contract and starts running stories about the UFelons & bad press affects Turd recruiting
If the NCAA doesn’t try to save UF by changing eligibity to 8 years so that Tebow can have another 4-year term
So what constitutes blowing up? Overflow thread?
2010 AD = 1 AB for FSU
Overflow...
and people like me losing my mind. I came unglued during the AA game. I despise UF. And couldn’t believe Urban pulled it off.
I put myself in the penalty box that day...
I really freaking lost it. ha!
"Wish I knew what to do"
Is his facebook status message that was posted 30 mins ago. Get to work Jimbo…..
Curve ball!!!
Where’d this come from? I come back from work and this pops up lol. Any reason as to why he likes ND? Hes spoken about about USC and UT being options, but this just seems odd. Oh well lol, He who lives by recruiting, dies by recruiting
I am worried about his lack of official visit
we try to have all our kids officially visit after the season because our game atmosphere is pretty poor compared to the SEC schools and Notre Dame. No doubt Christian has seen our game atmosphere and that of other schools. We get kids by throwing stuff at them after the season and showing them what an awesome town Tally can be. It’s better for them to not see our game atmosphere, sadly. That way they can’t compare it to the other schools.
ND game atmosphere is nothing to write home about. Talk about being asked to sit down.
Try to wear a FSU jersey and stand the whole game. Of course the game wasn’t very exciting after going up 38-0. (i think)
2010 AD = 1 AB for FSU
by nolewhacker on Jan 20, 2010 7:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It is a lot better than Tally's
they sell out. There is an excited energy. I think you’re way off base here.
i will say my only example is a game they were down quickly and by a lot
so maybe not a great representation. But it was definitely worse than Tally against Florida or UM. Tailgating was pretty good and the history is great. When was the last time you went to game there?
2010 AD = 1 AB for FSU
We didn't sell out a single home game this year
I’ve never been. Just talked to people who attended both schools and are ’Nole fans.
Obviously selling out is important
But (not that FSU has this) I’d rather have 70k being loud and standing than 80k sitting and cheering every once in a while. More older tickets holders than us I think. I think we have the potential for better game atmosphere than ND is what I’m saying I guess. Not that we do right now.
2010 AD = 1 AB for FSU
But what matters is that he was at our games this year and at other places as well.
Our nightlife and women gives us a fighting shot. Our fans, stadium (not the outside), and atmosphere don’t pull us recruits.
Do you know what game he came to?
If he was at UM then that was pretty good. Granted I’ve never been to a game in Tally in the 90’s or any SEC game besides a UGA cupcake game. Either way I know the game atmosphere needs to change. Hopefully it won’t cost us Jones.
2010 AD = 1 AB for FSU
I think he came to a few but I am not sure which
We have a long way to go. To put it in perspective, SoCarolina-Bama had a better atmosphere than this year’s FSU-Miami (was at both).
I thought FSU-Miami was great this year
I know it’s not like current SEC games…but that game was better than most games around the country.
Nothing matches SEC for sure. I wish I could have gone to a decent UGA game.
Jones is 5* so I’m sure he is making all his options viable. In the end he will choose the school that is right for him. If it’s us great, if not we can take another LB we are looking at.
2010 AD = 1 AB for FSU
South Bend is...
absoultely miserable. Cold, ugly, no good looking girls, an increasingly unhappy fan base. I really can’t see him going to ND. Maybe not FSU…but not ND.
South Bend is awful but an exciting coach, tradition, and PT are draws for a player like him.
I imagine he is just checking out all options.
2010 AD = 1 AB for FSU
I have a bunch of Domer
friends, and not the homer types. They know ND sucks. But one thing they also know is that there are no Good looking women there. none, Zilch, Nada. BUT, I was up there for a wedding and the campus is beautiful.
ND gameday way better than FSU
I’ve been to a bunch of games at both places – not close.
Didn't Doak-Campbell ROCK in the 90's....
On gameday? I think the atmosphere is their, we’ll see that maybe this year.
Went to both the 1995 FSU @ UF game and 1996 UF @ FSU games.
Difference was negligible in the stands. Once atmosphere reaches a certain level, it’s indistinguishable. The Doak is capable of rocking, just have to get enough W’s to fill up the seats.
Exactly.
We have the potential to be just as good as anyone else. In virtually every respect I mean. The lip svc. the SEC keeps receiving is getting old. I always thought in the 90’s we would’ve done fine in the SEC. Overall. The SEC is head & shoulders above other conferences. Beyond that, FSU CAN hang w/ the big boys. We used to be arguably the biggest year after year. As far as ND goes, they have certain advantages thanks in large part to Catholicism. I could go way deeper but i don’t have the time or the patience to research, argue w/ morons etc. Bottom line, We are the Noles, we shouldn’t hang our head or tuck our tail. Seriously, scalp or be scalped.
If you don't mind I'd like to hear what you have to say about ND's advantages due to Catholicism.
Just a brief summary would suffice. I’m curious. Something about the church putting money into the school and/or “promoting” it?
No.
Not to get into religion at all, but whats a fairly common tie that binds ND grads?
FAITH. Just one more thing to keep affiliations strong with graduates. My personal experience w/ religion (Catholicism particularly) is that it can be fairly fanatical. Almost like " you know god wants you to support this program after you graduate right?" “Lean to the left , lean to the right, stand up, sit down, fight, fight, fight! 10 hail mary’s and an endowment to the school and you’re good w/ god.” Sorry , if you disagree.
Fair enough.
Just wanted to hear your opinion. I never really thought of it that way, more of the way I look at why any top, private university has a lot of money.
Thanks for not blasting me.
I knew i was going out on a limb, my opinions don’t resonate w/ some people. Thanks for respecting my opinion.
I don't think it's that controversial of an assertion.
ND has a huge Catholic following that would otherwise have no affiliation with the university. While it doesn’t necessarily translate to direct monetary/program support, it translates into network ratings in a big way (i..e, NBC contract).
There are plenty of private institutions with a storied past that have gone by the wayside as the game and landscape have evolved. ND hasn’t, in most part, due to this demographic phenomenon. I would warrant that if they didn’t have the TV ratings and resulting deep pockets to fund the mediocrity of post 1992-, they may very well have dried up as well.
Thank you for
eloquently summarizing my thoughts. I know certain topics are serious hot-button issues(religion,politics, etc) I’m truly appreciative to be part of a forum, where people will discuss issues logically and even attempt to educate(which is welcomed BTW)
This is the reason why I don't think he is coming to Florida State
Exactly how many recruits have signed to a school they have never officially visited before?
by Legal_Seminole on Jan 20, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sure a lot because you can't officially visit without a test score
by Bud Elliott on Jan 20, 2010 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
He was someone I thought did but wasn't sure...
by Legal_Seminole on Jan 20, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Please refrain from bashing his family. Recruits read these boards and that is simply not helping.
Speak softly, and carry a big Spear
Thank you
by FEARTHESPEAR! on Jan 20, 2010 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
Bashing a kid who works extra hard to get into a better school is the lowest of the low IMO
Speak softly, and carry a big Spear
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 20, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
For those who feel that we shouldn't worry about Jones
Still feeling that way or does this concern you?
Does this open the floodgates of "I told you so" posters? Haha
Not worried
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Jan 20, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
greenmountainirish is gonna have a field day on tharinger
I think he’ll sing a different tune on NSD.
Speak softly, and carry a big Spear
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 20, 2010 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, the intellectual giant that is greenmountainirish...
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Jan 20, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
That thread turned into a mess
Speak softly, and carry a big Spear
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 20, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
I'm hoping he'll get banned
Since he’s an antagonizing little bas—— and he sh—-s up every single thread on the forum.
and the one liners before it
Speak softly, and carry a big Spear
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 20, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
Oh god, not GMI...his gloating would be far worse than actually losing Jones :-)
I try to ignore him, but it doesn’t work
I'm not very concerned
I still think he is a Nole.
Lemonier is still a more important recruit IMO.
Speak softly, and carry a big Spear
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 20, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
I am much more worried about Lemonier than Jones
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Jan 20, 2010 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
agree. I can see Lemonier at Auburn or Miami. Still can't see Jones at ND.
Speak softly, and carry a big Spear
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 20, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
We seem to usually get our share of linebackers. DL is definitely more a priority.
2010 AD = 1 AB for FSU
Right, and we have a great LB coach
Our LB class without Jones would be
Luc
Holmes O
Telvin
Nigel?
Kitchens?
Akuna?
That’s still a great class. I know we whiffed last year at the position but this class would be 3 studs and at least 1 other solid prospect.
DE is a different story. Without Lemonier we are sunk IMO.
Speak softly, and carry a big Spear
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 20, 2010 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
UF imo
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Jan 20, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
He'd be a steal for them
in the sense of an under the radar kid
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Jan 20, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
We're not "sunk" without Lemonier...
but I won’t consider it a great haul without him. This class is just too smallish…the average weight of the top 10 guys is about a buck-seventy. Too many 150-160 pounders. We need more grown-a$$ men.
Not counting Luc or Cummings...
all of our “elite” commits are small. Tye might become a great one…but he’s not a highly rated recruit at this point. Maybe he should be…but that’s another argument. Anyway…we’ve got a fine class. I’m just concerned about the physical size of a lot of them. It’s very, very light.
by PoseidoNole on Jan 21, 2010 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
i made it pretty clear...
I was talking about their WEIGHT. It’s tiny in terms of pounds. Our “elite” guys are pretty small…save Luc and Cummings.
I'd rather have Jones than Lemonier.
Jones could see some immediate PT.
He’s big enough to put at DE and rush, certainly as big as Lemon.
Jones would give us more options because we could use him as OLB or DE.
We have some promising young DEs on the team and next year’s DE class should be monster.
We’re not as deep at LB, and a class of Luc, Jones, Akuna, and Holmes would be MONSTER.
I think Jones is better than Lemonier but would you rather have him?
DE seems like a much bigger need to me. We always have good LBs, it’s depth at the position that is hurting us now. One guy won’t make that big of an impact there.
Speak softly, and carry a big Spear
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 20, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
I have to agree that Lemonier if of greater need
But the potential of having Luc flanked by Jones and Bradham is way too tempting. And who knows how big Holmes will be after his redshirt year. He’s 6-3 but with DE length. So that would indicate that he has the frame to pack on weight
by westcoastnolefan on Jan 20, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
Disappointing, but not final
I’ll hold out hope still.
Signature space available for rent - Got to pay the bills somehow
Jenn Sterger was a 6 compared to many girls on campus while I was there
Fabi was the heart and sould of the original cowgirls… dayum
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Jan 20, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
I agree but most recognize the name
Personally, I prefer the other two (Fabiola and the other chic), over Jenn.
I keep up with her, she loves Meeyami
She’s an even nicer person than she is beautiful, which is really saying something.
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Jan 20, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
I'm good friends with the guy in the background.
He’s always happy when he goes out.
by The K-Man on Jan 20, 2010 10:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
haha
That’s my good freind Will! I used to put on the AJ’s bikini contests with him.
by FEARTHESPEAR! on Jan 20, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
uh, huh, huh-huh, huh-huh, huh, huh-huh, huh-huh, huh, huh-huh
" You are a beautiful woman, you will be with me tonight"
What we do in life, echoes in eternity.
That pic doesn't do her justice, imo.
And I think she is the only one of the trio to not be enhanced.
Ha!
You’re kidding right? I don’t know about the one on the right…but the girl in the middle…has had major upper body work done.
Oh..disregard...
yes…missed the “not” part. That was funny.
She looks natural to me,
but someone in here said she had fakes, too. I’m not sure about that, though. Hers look nothing like the other 2’s.
I'd say you are correct sir.
but I think all 6 look great….err…3.
Okay...y'all called dibs first...
I’ll GLADLY take Jenn.
You say
Tomato, I say tomatoe.
You say potato, I say potatoe.
This for that,
tit for tat.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
Jenn Sterger decided to have her false breasts removes a few months ago.
True story. Google it.
Fabi’s are still goin’ strong…
by The K-Man on Jan 20, 2010 10:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Man...I hope we don't see any defections
…especially the guys you just names. Seems like we’ve been sputtering since December.
I believe our overall rating and average recruit rating...
has gone down a bit since December. That’s all I was saying. We’ve had a good to very good recruiting year so far. I have my conerns about this class…but time will tell. Hopefully we’ll finish strong…especially at DL.
by PoseidoNole on Jan 21, 2010 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
It has gone up with the addition of those 3 since December...
11 stars / 3 recruits = 3.67 stars/recruit
Current Rivals average star rating is 3.43.
(Or you can do 14 stars / 4 recruits = 3.5 stars/recruit if you include Rivals bumping Erving from a 0* to 3* recently. Still higher than our current average.)
Do you not think Smiley, McCloud, Jacobs, Onwukaife and Tye are any good because they are only 3*’s?
Telvin Smith
is another kid gets overlooked due to his star rating IMO.
Correct...
I’m just concerned that we’re going to get man-handled by the bigger, stronger teams in the coming years. Speed only gets you so far. Look at Bama…they POUNDED the competition (incl UF) were brute strength…not light speedsters.
You might have me on the stats...
I was going by memory…but I thought our board looked like it peaked in late December…and I was also comparing it to a certain other school at the time (that I expected to drop off…instead of land one of its best classes ever).
If we can close pretty strong I’ll be happy. And I realize that my expecations aren’t justified.
PS No concerns about all of the “elite” 150-165 pounders on our board? It seems that I am the ONLY one who is remotely worried about it…which tells me that I’m probably out of line.
We had a "flurry" of high end commitments all in about a week or two in December,
but we’ve had 3 very good commits this month as well. The flurry is over, but the class isn’t at it’s peak yet. We have very good shots at multiple 4*’s and a 5*.
And of 21 commits, 5 are below 175. They are all DBs or WRs. Bert Reed is only like 150-160 but he’s a pretty important cog in the offense (not a great player but a good one). Do you not expect them to put on any weight in a college program? Even if it’s only 10 pounds apiece that’d be an increase by 6-7% of their original body weight.
Last year we only took 3 guys 175 or less. So it’s not like recruiting small is our strategy.
We're already a lock for a top 10 class
Only question is whether we’ll break into the top 5.
No worries about size at all. Jimbo knows what needs to be done.
McCloud is 295
Jacobs 294
Erving 285
Those numbers are according to Rivals, which is usually low (old numbers). Genron says Joyner will report to Tally at 180, Rivials lists him at 166. My guess would be around 172-175. Luc is listed at 230, my guess is 240. Harris is listed at 185, which is plenty big for a corner. Dent is listed at 180, my guess is 185.
If you are worried about kids like Kenny Shaw & DJ Johnson, don’t worry. They are receivers who do not need to push people around. Shaw did just fine at the UA game.
The biggest thing to keep in mind is that many of the recruits are 17 yr olds who will gain weight. Most kids that age gain weight anyway. Ever hear of the “freshman 15”? Our guys will have the Viloria 15. UF has 8 recruits that weigh between 156 and 178. Werner(264), Foose(310), C. Jones (220), C. Green (200), and the other guys who are likley to round out our class all have good size. We’ll be fine. Werner can add 20 lbs by the time he sees significant PT. That’ll make him a fast, athletic 285 lb DE. C. Jones already looks bigger than 220, but he could easily be 240-250 before he goes to the league. Like I said, we’ll be fine.
Could this pic influence him?
Christian, this is what you’d have to look forward to in South Bend.
by xnole95 on Jan 20, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
LMFAOH
Dude, its hard to imagine this being what you’d get dressed up on fri. night to chase. I’m sure there’s better looking chicks in South Bend, right?
the one on the left is probably the guy who punched him outside the bar.
What we do in life, echoes in eternity.
The Downfall of Notre Dame Explained with Pictures
by chan011 on Jan 20, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Those Notre "DAMN" chicks looked like Jackals!
Tim Tebow a “virgin” my a**!
by westcoastnolefan on Jan 20, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Who on our team is pulling down some hot tail
Other than Nick Moody’s GF from behind?
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
Dekoda Watson
Isn’t he dating that blonde who used to be on the soccer team?
When I clicked that link
it seemed like some virus started to load on my computer…got a bunch of popups, etc. Maybe it was just me…
how many chromosomes total in this picture?
the over/under is 64
Predictions on ND's record next year?
Wonder if he heard Hrbie mention that ND hasn’t been relevant since 1993?
Any idea what he wants to study?
This would be a shocker imo.
I don’t see it happening though. I still think we have a good shot to land him.
Christian Jones
He is used to playing on a terrible team. Lake Howell’s football team is bad. They only won like 2 games in two years. But on that team he was clearly “the man”
He wants to play for a winner...
He’s made it clear he loves his hs football team but he wants to win at the next level…
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
Losing him would suck
Was counting him in the class for quite a while now. Losing him to ND would also be a kick in the guy as I think we have better or equal talent on hand and clearly better talent coming in. But if his thing is the academic difference who can really blame him. Hopefully he signs with us on NSD, as I am sure he is a priority with our coaches, but if he doesn’t hopefully he won’t be a Cane or Gator.
sorry… flying back from Dubai someone bumped my arm. After you post can you edit?
If this statement is too harsh, I will not post again on this site again. His father is sadly a Bowden Loyalist.. Fact. He is part of a group that is pissed on how we forced ole’ Robert out. With this FACT and his UF visit last week. Are you guys surprised? I am sure Urbie told him to GO TO NOTRE DAME. Urbie-“God said it was your path.” I dont want to hear its a better school nonsense.
I went to FSU under grad
UF grad
MIT PHD
Didn't say he wouldn't fundraise
for North Alabama, though. He is speaking in Tampa soon, but I guess that’s because he wants the speaking fee, not to fundraise.
What a selfish..........
Anyways. We give the man a good job for how many decades? We allow him to use our University as his Petri dish to see how he can grow his family’s virus of shitty coaching, and this is how he repays us?
Chip I think that's fine
it’s no different than what I posted above IMO. His dad is not happy about the Bowden situation.
I was not happy, when all these former players started running their mouths. That totally hurt FSU. ESPN behind the lines and the NCAA thingy wasn’t enough? All the TV football announcers before the gator bowl. Its Jimbo vs the World now. I dont understand how Mr. Jones is so blind about the FSU program mediocrity over the past 8 plus years.
I can't speak on Mr. Jones
but some of the players who have run their mouths have never given a dime back to FSU and have never come back.
Some people are just bitter.
Usually, they’re the ones who still owe $$ for their degree (like myself). Not sure what guys who played ball & got an athletic scholarship have to complain about. Anyone?
I hate to sound like a broken record...
…But speaking out AGAINST Bobby returning for another dreadful season made little sense. The unbiased former players were looking at a ridiculous Pro/Con situation if they chose to speak the truth.
On the other hand, standing up for a legend and your father-figure doesn’t have much backlash possibilities.
Of course, the media would never illuminate that fact.
Sad but true. (And we saw it coming from miles away).
by The K-Man on Jan 20, 2010 10:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
what is a credit retrieval program anyhows?
and does anyone know how far he has to go to try and pull up some of his grades?
That's a great point...
I looked at some things I found on the web regarding Seminole County’s Credit retrieval program. It requires kids to stay after school 4 days a week, but it last for the whole term. He won’t even know if he’ll earn those credits til May…
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
That is a lot of work
Speak softly, and carry a big Spear
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 20, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
not a position of need, no worries, I think he ends up a Nole
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
by badknees81 on Jan 20, 2010 7:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I dont blame him for wanting to go to ND.
It is the most storied program in CFB I dont care how bad the team is and the education is awesome.
Choosing uf would just seem spiteful, considering the relationships/rivalry etc.
FSU needs to hire somebody the get the gamedays more alive, electric, inclusive, SOMETHING to make the atmosphere inside DCS rockin. When I was at FSU in the late 80’s almost every home game was a night game and the students had been drinking all day and were PUMPED by gametime. Gene Deckheroff would call it “Saturday Night Live at Doak Campbell Stadium”
Good Times
Are you qualified yet?
C.J.: "Yes, my G.P.A. is 2.8 and I scored a 17 on my ACT. I’m about to take some college credit classes to get a jump start."
2.8 and 17 on the ACT and he's taking college credit courses?
by Bud Elliott on Jan 20, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
If that is a 2.8 overall GPA, his "core" may be much lower.
The NCAA only cares about the core classes like math, english, sciences, etc.
A lot of people have Jones going to USC but I don't see it
Ken Norton Jr. is gone as well as his excellent track record for helping develop NFL caliber linebackers. Unfortunately, he’d be perfect for Saban’s “Jack” backer position like the article states(The same position Jason Taylor was playing when won defensive POY). I want him being that type of OLB/DE hybrid for us, obviously
by westcoastnolefan on Jan 20, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
Bud,I’m not arguing with you,that statement came from CJ’s mouth,not mine…just trying to calm the storm,bro. Also,That statement was from Yesterday
cfl
I get ya. I tried to calm it by adding some commentary to the original nugget. The guy I got it from used the language the school uses. Out of respect for him and the hope that he will continue to help us out, I’m not going to throw out his name. Christian can call it whatever he wants.
He is qualified for FSU with the 2.8 and the 17. You can have a 2.8 and a 15 or a 2.45 and a 17 and still get in.
I spend one weekend in South Bend..
back in the early 90s when they were good. I could NEVER imagine spending 4 years of my life there. Especially 18-22. It’s a great OLD tradition and a solid institution…but no thanks.
Lake Howell plays in a dud zone for high school football
I grew up in Orlando and I can tell you based on their schedule from last year that if they didn’t have a winning record that is sad. I mean they freaking played Colonial who hasn’t had a winning record since 1993!
He was a man among boys out there for sure, because there isn’t alot of top talent in the Orlando area. Many schools I have simply slipped over the last few years around there. Edgewater used to be a powerhouse but everyone we got out of that school didn’t live up to the billing. Evans is no longer a powerhouse. About the only two teams in the area with talent on a regular basis as of late is Dr. Phillips where Kenny Shaw played and Boone. Also maybe Olympia. Other than that the area is a dead zone for top notch football players. Once you start getting outside the Orlando area and head either north, south, east or west is when the talent starts to show up.
Seminole HS...
Up in Sanford (pretty much a part of Orlando these days) has done pretty well of late haven’t they? Though maybe too recently to accurately judge their talent.
Strange things are afoot at the Circle-K.
Yes
I went to Lake Mary and we were better than them up until all the Sanford kids stopped coming to Lake Mary. I graduated with Keith Rivers(USC then #9 in the draft) Lake Mary has put a couple of guys on D1 schools. But Seminole HS has been great lately. They won the state championship and were solid again this year. Oseola(Kissimmee) is also a good school.
I went to Boone back in the late 80s/early 90s.
We S-U-C-K-E-D. I think we won 4-5 games the entore time I was there. Evans was THE team. Interesting to see how the tide has turned.
Isn't Apopka supposed to be good?
I don’t know anything about HS football.
Friend of mine’s 19 yr. old son is 6’7", 340 lbs., played for Winter Springs or Oviedo. He didn’t go to college; became a bodyguard instead. Good kid, no attitude. His brother is a security guy at Evans and coaches their baseball team.
Apopka always has a good football team
My fiancee went to school there, we both went and saw the playoff game when Apopka played Dr. Phillips. Apopka ran all over them with the triple option all game long, Dr. Phillips fought back with a vengeance to tie it up, game went into triple overtime. Kenny Shaw caught the game winning TD for DP. Come to think of it, Kenny Shaw almost singlehandedly kept DP in that game.
I know you can fight. But it's our wits that make us men.
Plenty of good teams here in Orlando
Just in Orange Co: Apopka, Dr Phillips, Edgewater, Boone, Winter Park, Olympia
Teams with talent but bad coaching: West Orange, Evans, Ocoee
by ThatDudeDan on Jan 20, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
Lake Howell
Lake Howell has had a few good players
Trevor Price
Marquette Smith
Kawika Mitchell
Brandon Marshall
Smith was awesome in high school and was a nole for a short time but ended up back in Orlando at UCF
"No, like I said, Woo peed on my rug" - The Dude
by Surfanole on Jan 20, 2010 11:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Pryce I mean
"No, like I said, Woo peed on my rug" - The Dude
by Surfanole on Jan 20, 2010 11:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Central Florida Football
The locals here are saying Lyman High School will be 6A State Champs next year. My son will play at Olympia next year and they have alots of prospects over there, Dr. Phillips will be loaded too.
What about Altamonte Springs?
I remember that’s where Darryl bush was from. Man we had some badass lb’s.
Not worried
I think he will be a nole.
by diehardnole on Jan 20, 2010 8:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions
the software auto links it
If I were Christian, I’d call it that as well. Technically a class that gets you ready or eligible for college is a college prep class in some sense of the word.
A lot of this could just be blustering by the Jones Family
as a way to show FSU and others their “displeasure” regarding Bowden, and that their son is not a “sure thing” and that FSU will have to actually sweat it out but in the end CJ will come to the fold.
I highly doubt Christian would go after school 4 days a week and do all the extra work
Out of spite.
Speak softly, and carry a big Spear
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 20, 2010 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
Don't get your hopes up.
Unlike a lot of people, I am not counting this kid a Nole until signing day comes just because he “grew up an FSU fan” or “FSU is his dream school” or because he has family ties. I’ve seen recruits have all that going for them yet end up elsewhere.
If he were a Nole "lock, " like many think, he would have committed by now and helped recruit for us…not wait until NSD. I don’t see the logic in waiting until NSD if he knew where he was truly going.
you got a point
I definitely remember the kids who sign up early and recruit for us…but some kids just have trouble making up their minds.
You should be worried
For me he would be the #2 need behind Lemonier but that’s only because the lack of DEs. If we lose him to any other school it’s more than likely that we took him for granted and didn’t press enough.
Not I in general
They have been pressing quite a bit.
by diehardnole on Jan 20, 2010 8:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I understand that, it's just killing me that one week it's here and the other its a different school. I just curious when we will come back into the picture?
by brokennole1982 on Jan 20, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
oh yeah i know what you mean
sometimes these kids put us fans on edge, adds to the dramatic effect, why I alone am not one for all of that, That’s the way some of them are.
Jones
If I am not mistaken one visit the entire defensive staff + Jimbo went to see him. I don’t think Jimbo would take any recruit for granted. Solid verbals are still getting in home visits.
by osceolafan850 on Jan 20, 2010 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
One problem was that we only had 5 coaches recruiting for about a month.
That’s literally half as many as the other teams.
I don't see the big deal
with college prep courses. He could take those to go anywhere to be honest.
did the bit about facebook get deleted?
just curious why. hope i didn’t do anything.
2010 AD = 1 AB for FSU
I disagree with this TN censorship. We need more off-topic banter.
Like the ridiculous one about Z.Sanders. Haha!
I've never counted on Jones in this class, and I still would be surprised if he ends up here.
Most people that cite a reason for Jones to come to FSU is his family ties, but little more. With his father upset about ole Bobby, it makes it even less likely he considers FSU at all.
I think USC was his destination, and still may be- Monte Kiffin is attractive to many defensive players, and why not?
If someone asked me to choose which coach to play under- Monte Kiffin or Mark Stoops- that’s a no-brainer. Obviously, there are other factors to consider, but Christian Jones has never been intimidated by playing a long way from home.
It would be nice to have him in the class, but it won’t derail the program.
I did notice that Greg Hudson has been paying him visits at the house lately- not sure how well that is going.
why are any of us here?
i believe it was john paul sarte who said,
how do you spell sartre?
Not to get off track , but a funny thing I saw a month or so ago was
a brand new bright orange Lamborghini Gallardo with a black and white checker board going down the middle stripe and the plate was a Tennessee Dealer plate and it was heading down a back road towards Dr.Philips and the kicker was that the driver looked alot like LK,I was like.“naaaaa that can’t be him”
Then I was like"wait a minute,Shaw lives that way,that mf’r"lol
Not sure.....
…what to think at this point. I’ve always had my concerns about Jones and the fact that he never agreed to Officially visit. ND academically is tough to beat, but losing out on a legacy player like Jones hurts our program IMO.
I understand that Jones father is still upset and struggling with how FSU handled Bowden’s exit. But let’s be realistic here. Jones SR, as a former player, although devoted to Bowden (which I admire), has to be educated enough to see the damage that has been done to our program in recent years due to Bowden’s judgement, or lack there of, in his hiring of certain staff members, the management of said staff, and the lack of evolution in the basic fundamentals of our program. Just like anything else, if you fail to adapt and adjust to the ever changing landscape that is your profession, the competition will slowly but surely pass you by. Depending on how long you hold on to philosophies from yesteryear with no regard for change, the further down you will travel on the slippery slope that is mediocrity.
It’s strikingly odd, IMO, that players from the “glory days” can’t seem to decipher between what the program once “was” and what the program “is” in it’s current state and fail to acknowledge the short comings of this once proud program. It almost seems as if they can’t get their arms around the “Business” that is college football relative to the “good ol’ days” of years gone by.
Sorry for the rant…..
Moving forward….Bowden was quoted as stating that Willie Sr was the “best player in the country at his position” during his time at Florida State, and was a cornerstone of Bowden’s defenses during his early years in Tallahassee when the program was in transition. (Side Note: Willie Sr also played for my beloved Oakland Raiders in the good ol days when we were actually relevant) Understanding the loyalty Sr has, his son has an opportunity strikingly similar to his IMO.
Christian has the opportunity to do something special just as Willie Sr did back in the mid-70’s, by attending Florida State University and playing for a young visionary coach, who will develop him on the field as a player, and mold him off the field in order to prepare him for the circumstances and challenges that will face him beyond football. In addition, C.Jones has an opportunity to be the cornerstone of our defense in the new era, and under the steady guidance of Hudson and Stoops, could legitimately develop into one of the best players in the country at his position. Not to mention with his pass rushing prowess, the similar impact he could have on the field.
To understand, appreciate, and be humble about what has come before you is to have respect. Christian Jones is a legacy player, but he has to see the unique opportunity that is ahead of him. The beginning of a new era in Tallahassee and the opportunity to forge his own legacy in the history of our football program.
C. Jones, if you are reading this, come be a part of what IMO could very well be remembered as the class that returned this proud FSU Program to National Prominence and make your own mark on the history that is Florida State Football.
by Warchant-7 on Jan 20, 2010 9:44 PM EST reply actions 12 recs
Along with...
demonstrating their schematic prowess and how they intend to use his unique set of skills to develop him into a 1st round pick in the 2013 NFL Draft.
Not yet.
But I’m hopeful that come June, you lucky folk that are fortunate enough to attend the wonderful University that resides in Tallahassee will be able to track him down on Campus.
ND not better academically than FSU
ND is not necessarily better than FSU academically than FSU, but it is better in terms of business and money contacts. With the marginal grades and ACT scores, I suspect Jones isn’t interested in an outstanding academic experience, but if you are a great ND football player, a lot of business opportunities are open to you.
Yeah
Yeah and if he does have another visit with fsu I hope that will secure him, hudson step up and tell him what your all about. That relationship is very important.
by diehardnole on Jan 20, 2010 10:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions
for what its worth...
on facebook… jones is friends with
brandon jenkins
jacobbi mcdianel
bert reed
d’vontrey richardson
darious cummings
clint trickett
greg carr
and probably a few others that i dont recall
Maybe I'm watching the wrong tape..
but the “highlights” I see of Christian Jones are not very spectacular. He looks the part but he surely doesn’t jump off the screen like a 5* or even 4* should.
Something ND has that Jones may like..
Is they run a 30 front (at least they did last year). Which would mean Jones would be able to play as a rush linebacker and with his frame, if he were to make it to the NFL, this is where he would most likely project. This could be part of his thought process.
i dunno - if i was a linebacker thinking nfl
nd wouldnt be high on my list…
No, I definitely agree with you..
But just the exposure of being in that system for 3-4 years would help him out tremendously. I personally feel like he would be a perfect fit for that type of defense but then again ND wasn’t as aggressive with it last year. Even so, with so many NFL teams switching to some form of 30 I think that could be a huge selling point for them.
i guess that makes as much sense as anything if he is indeed considering nd -
and isnt stoops going to run multiple sets anyway?
Put me on record...
The Jones will NOT go to ND. He may not become a SEMINOLE…but I don’t see him in South Bend.
No, I defnitely agree with you..
But just the exposure of being in that system for 3-4 years would help him out tremendously. I personally feel like he would be a perfect fit for that type of defense but then again ND wasn’t as aggressive with it last year. Even so, with so many NFL teams switching to some form of 30 I think that could be a huge selling point for them.
Damn, I'll post that where it belongs
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