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Florida State Outslugs Georgia Tech 68-66

It was a heated battle of big, athletic ACC rivals and it was far from pretty.  But Florida State battled through injuries and cramps to two starters to pull out the victory over Georgia Tech.  Neither team seemed particularly concerned with taking care of the ball as the game featured an astounding 41 turnovers (19 by FSU and 22 by Georgia Tech).  And neither team could knock down free throws as FSU went 16-27 from the line and Georgia Tech could knock down only 11 of 22 from the charity stripe.  And neither team could clean its defensive glass as FSU grabbed only 58% of possible defensive rebounds while the Yellow Jackets could pull down only 55%! 

But the game went pretty much as observers of these two teams expected it to go.  Florida State's big men were just better than the Tech front court.  And the 'Noles did it despite questionable shot selection as the 'Noles jacked up 19 three-point attempts, hitting only 4 (21%).  Florida State's 7'3" Solomon Alabi accounted for 14 points on 4-6 shooting and 6-6 FT to go with 11 rebounds, 1 block and only 1 turnover in 30 minutes.  Small forward Chris Singleton had an up and down game, scoring a career high 23 points but needing 17 shots to get there.  Of those were 6 three-point shots, hitting only 1 to drop his total to an abysmal 3-25 (12%) from behind the arc in ACC play.  He was 4-10 on free throws as well.   Quite simply, Singleton can't shoot.

But he can dunk and finish around the rim.  Singleton was 8-11 on two-point attempts and also grabbed 10 boards.  Few in the ACC can handle Singleton when he forces the issue and plays to his strengths. 

Georgia Tech's Brian Oliver took advantage of late switches and close-outs by FSU to shoot 6-13 from three in leading the Jackets with 20 points.

FSU is now 15-4 overall (3-2 in ACC play) and in sole possession of 5th place in the ACC.  They travel to face Duke on Wednesday.

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The evidence does seem to point in this direction

“Of those were 6 three-point shots, hitting only 1 to drop his total in ACC play to an abysmal 3-25 (12%) from behind the arc in ACC play. He was 4-10 on free throws as well. Quite simply, Singleton can’t shoot.”

" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."

" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!

The process begins!

by DocHoliday2 on Jan 24, 2010 3:35 PM EST reply actions  

Singleton reminds me of Michael Beasley

At 6’9, he’s a SF/PF tweener who can grab boards and score on the inside. His outside shot though simply isn’t up to par and he seems to only be at SF for his perimeter defense, speed in transition, and ability to break to the basket. If Ryan Reid’s injury from this game lingers at all, I’d like to see Singleton moved inside a bit more to PF.

by basaltrock on Jan 24, 2010 3:37 PM EST reply actions  

Fascinating idea

I like that, except he just can’t bang down on the defensive blocks, which is what Ryan Reid really gives us. He just has to develop a 3point stroke. Unfortunately, like Dulkys, it’ll take a year, apparently.

Our off-the-ball screens get him open on the perimeter, but like many have righly said, he’s at his best on the dribble drive and inside of 10 ft.

by ricobert1 on Jan 24, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

lets just hope the light bulb went on over singleton's head (as it appears it may have in

the second half; note the threes he passed up) and he attacks that basket like he should.

Lets not forget the clutch free throws alabi hit at the end. Kitchen was an offensive non-factor again (1-2., 2 pts)..

Taking a look at the stats, though, this game was as close as you might imagine. 20 lead changes. you know what they say: I’d rather be lucky than good. To make the dance, we need these luck games to go our way, and this one did.

And I like the idea of Singleton moved inside a bit. Of course.

There is no way to peace; peace is the way.

by GoNolzOhio on Jan 24, 2010 3:40 PM EST reply actions  

it lends some credence to the notion that our problem is coaching. One wonders how

Hamilton has not seen this ability going to the rim in practice, and “coached” him out of jacking up the threes and into more aggressive moves to the basket?

Either the kid is uncoachable, or Hamilton cant coach him. In the end, what difference does it make?

There is no way to peace; peace is the way.

by GoNolzOhio on Jan 24, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

further, you'd think a coach would be in a position to see his abilities

around the rim vs. his 3-point shooting, and would have been proactive in changing Singleton’s game. Does a coach need evidence in game # 5 of the ACC sked to know a player his size and skill set should be going to the rim rather than shooting early threes? He did recruit the guy, after all.

There is no way to peace; peace is the way.

by GoNolzOhio on Jan 24, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not convinced Ham watches the offense and I can’t believe they practice it more than 15% of the time in practice.

by evenflow58 on Jan 24, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

That was last year.

This year Singleton can’t shoot a jump shot. At all.

by tricknole on Jan 24, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Why the regression?

I must confess I’ve watched much less this year than last.

by Aussierat on Jan 25, 2010 11:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I just think the kid is a little shaky psychologically.

Maybe AD/HD or something along those lines. Such a high energy guy that he is running on emotion rather than taking a systematic approach to the game.

Generally, I think this is what is typically behind a “streaky” shooter. Either hitting or missing a few in a row gets in their heads and snowballs. Similar to a pitcher that is prone to losing control.

by arrdub on Jan 25, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Does this sound familiar?

FSU coach does great recruiting, but when it comes to gameplan he just tries to “out-athlete” the other team…if we can get the stupid shots out of the way (Reid squaring up from 18’, Singleton chucking threes, Jordan ever shooting) we’ve got enough defense to score 50 pts a game and get to the tourney.

"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett

by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 24, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Why point out sole possession of fifth place

rather than note we are 1/2 game out of first? Either way, we’re hanging in there.

by TEMPORARY LIKE ACHILLES on Jan 24, 2010 3:41 PM EST reply actions  

the way this season is going, I think the whole conference may be 1/2 game out of first!

one game at a time, though. of course, that is almost a redundant statement when that next game is at Duke. shutting up those annoying Duke fans is like a sip of The Macallan, 18-year old.

There is no way to peace; peace is the way.

by GoNolzOhio on Jan 24, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Just struck me as more a "half empty" rather than "half full" view.

Either way, it beats a sharp stick in the eye, or a run-away win against one of those Spanish club teams from our summer tour.

by TEMPORARY LIKE ACHILLES on Jan 24, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

No shot to win...

Is this really technically true?

by Phyrst on Jan 24, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

No.

Even if we were eliminated mathematically from winning the regular season title (which we aren’t), we could still win the tournament title since all 12 teams make it.

by tricknole on Jan 24, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey, I think we are a lousy fundamental team offensively,

but I do think we could win the conference. I do not think it happens, but still. There is no clear favorite in conference. The two current leaders will assuredly fall back to the pack. We have just as many great athletes and talent as any other team in conference.

by tricknole on Jan 24, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Really

I like the glass half full approach..

by NoleySmokes on Jan 24, 2010 7:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

He should be he does not do a great job of establishing himself in the post and our players do a poor job of getting the ball inside.

by evenflow58 on Jan 24, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Which is a shock considering how everybody else on othe team is so decisive.

by evenflow58 on Jan 25, 2010 8:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I put < sarcasm > tags around that but it didn’t show up.

by evenflow58 on Jan 25, 2010 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

TC

had an almost perfect prediction. Great job!

by NOLEcasterWX on Jan 24, 2010 4:12 PM EST reply actions  

What a great game to be at.

Our bench killed us though (except for a few plays). Luke Loucks seems to get worse every game. He is almost frustrating to watch. DeMercy did come up big I guess at the end but did nothing significant it seemed with almost all of his time. Snaer was nothing short of disappointing.

Something seems to be up with Kitchen. He totally has no confidence in his shot. The best evidence for this was him passing up on a wide open medium shot to Reid for a longer more contested shot. Doink…Someone needs to tell him to take those when he gets them.

The team battled hard. Tech seemed to play almost dirty. Very physical game and the refs sucked (big surprise). DeMercy got his face ripped all the way left to right from the back going for a rebound…no call. All around a grizzly game. But the atmosphere was good especially for a noon sunday game. All well, it was fun and it was a big win. Go Noles!

Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.

by onebarrelrum on Jan 24, 2010 4:12 PM EST reply actions  

He does a great job beating the press.

But then once it’s past mid court it’s seemed like it was bad pass time.

Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.

by onebarrelrum on Jan 24, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

I remember him picking up his dribble around half court (on both sides of half court) several times and looking dumb. Fwiw, so did Kitchen.

by tricknole on Jan 24, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

overall he handled the press really well

even enabled us to get good looks by making a few good passes up court (see the singleton ‘bomb’ resulting in free throws)

by 000111 on Jan 25, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

He had 1 TO and 1 assist. I think he’d be better in a run and gun offense.

by evenflow58 on Jan 24, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

He also had that stupid alley-oop attempt near the end.

I would rather have someone with less flashy moves that plays smart.

by freshcollegeboy on Jan 24, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't he have more than one bad alley-oop attempt?

I thought he had at least 2.

Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.

by onebarrelrum on Jan 24, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe

I only got to see the end, but the one I saw had me yelling at his dumb face.

by freshcollegeboy on Jan 24, 2010 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Gametracker says 0 assists,

but it may be wrong. Don’t feel like checking.

by tricknole on Jan 24, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Why do you think that?

1 point, 1 turnover, 2 rebounds, 0’s for everything else.

by tricknole on Jan 24, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

done

"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher

by RishiM on Jan 24, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Some Observations From Courtside

First of all…a terribly officiated game…if you’re gonna let them hammer each other at least be consistent. This crew let this game get out of a hand from 5 minutes in…absolutely horrible muggings by both teams (Peacock is an out-and-out thug) but we almost lost this game on an absolute garbage offensive call on Reid with seconds remaining. You have to wonder if the ACC is even watching video to grade these officials anymore.

Jordan Demercy needs to sit his sorry ass on the bench…permanently! He is a human turnover…losing the in bounds pass under the basket was my favorite.

Lastly, we don’t finish >.500 in the ACC if we can’t make free throws…;what in the world is Enfield doing? They had an entire week to work!

I know a W is a W but if we play like this Wednesday, Duke will obliterate us.

Let’s get it together Ham…this team is too talented to fritter away another season.

by Jersey Nole on Jan 24, 2010 5:59 PM EST reply actions  

Reid was totally shafted

Defender got there soooo late, he literally slid into the charge. Rediculous

"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett

by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 24, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

really? I'd like to see it again. I thought what the announcer thought: a little bit of acting

by the defender, but I thought he was there. I could very well be wrong, though.

There is no way to peace; peace is the way.

by GoNolzOhio on Jan 24, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

should have been a no-call

wasn’t out of control enough for a charge, defender was close to being set but took a bit of a flop.

by fsu44 on Jan 24, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought he was set.

And I thought he was outside of the imaginary circle (albeit pretty close, maybe only by a foot or two). I thought it was a very well executed play by Reid. The GT defender wasn’t paying attention, noticed it late, but was lucky to get there in time. That happens. It was a good charge call and it was also executed pretty well by Reid. It happens.

by tricknole on Jan 24, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

If they want to keep the rule

they need to have a less imaginary circle…say actually painted on the court? What an interesting idea. No idea why they haven’t made it mandatory on college courts.

Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.

by onebarrelrum on Jan 25, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

and in one of the more physical games of the year...

…They decide to call the first charge of the game at that crucial moment.

by The K-Man on Jan 25, 2010 3:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

This is the issue.

Refs usually swallow whistles to some degree in end of game situations, anyway, but in this instance they took the bold step of ratcheting up their watchfulness and injected themselves directly into the outcome.

Though it may have been legit, it was an odd call… incidentally, I think they realized their error, or else Solomon wouldn’t have gotten the opportunity to ice it with the reach-in they call on the other side.

by arrdub on Jan 25, 2010 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree arrdub.

The reach-in definitely appeared to be a make-up call for the charge.

by Darkhorse99 on Jan 25, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

Lame. No call @ best. Reid moved around the defender not into him & still was called 4 the charge.

by 30yearnole on Jan 25, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

This win was all the more critical

considering Duke is the next game. Now we have an enormous opportunity.

Progress came and took its toll,
And in the name of flood control,
They made their plans and they drained the land,
Now the glades are going dry.
And the last time I walked in the swamp,
I sat upon a Cypress stump,
I listened close and I heard the ghost,
Of Osceola cry.

by Okinole on Jan 24, 2010 7:45 PM EST reply actions  

/exhale

Talk about a nail-biter. I had family duties this afternoon so I had to record this one.
Two wins vs. GT will not hurt come tourney time, but it’s not time to celebrate just yet. Because it’s Road Trip time

@Duke on Wednesday night followed by @BC on Saturday afternoon.
(If you gave me 1-1 right now, I’d take it :)

by CelticPride on Jan 24, 2010 8:37 PM EST reply actions  

I didnt get in on the game thread, so I dont know how much this was mentioned

But Georgia Tech’s substitution of players was dizzying.

Does Derwin Kitchen even notice the metal rim when we’re on offense? He must’ve been taught that the scoreboard is counting turnovers and your #1 goal is to limit them.

Dulkys is gonna be sore on Monday.

by The K-Man on Jan 25, 2010 4:04 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Dulkys

was beat up and also seemed to be having some severe cramping. He also took a hand or bow to the face. Not a fun next couple days for him. I mention Kitchen earlier. Zero confidence.

Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.

by onebarrelrum on Jan 25, 2010 8:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't know who else might have seen this, but from Corey Clark's blog at Tally

Democrat Sports. Wins in the ACC since 2005. Who would have thunk this:

1. North Carolina 51
2. Duke 50
3. FLORIDA STATE 36
3. Clemson 36
3. Maryland 36
3. Boston College 36
7. Virginia Tech 32
8. Virginia 30
8. Wake Forest 30
10. Miami 27
10. N.C. State 27
12. Georgia Tech 24

There is no way to peace; peace is the way.

by GoNolzOhio on Jan 25, 2010 8:38 AM EST reply actions  

NCAA Tournament berths since 2005 with wins in parenthesis

1 North Carolina 5 (15)
2 Duke 5 (6)
3 Boston College 4 (3)
4 N.C. State 2 (3)
5 Maryland 2 (1)
6 Wake Forest 2 (1)
7 Georgia Tech 2 (1)
8 Clemson 2 (0)
9 Virginia Tech 1 (1)
10 Virginia 1 (1)
11 Miami 1 (1)
12 FLORIDA STATE 1 (0)

It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee

by RaysnNoles on Jan 25, 2010 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Dont get me wrong. I am by no means a Hamilton apologist

and definitely aware of his lack of success in the post season. It is just a very suprising chart. As I said, who would have guessed that the Noles were tied for 3rd in wins in the ACC (beaten only by UNC & Duke) in ANY 5 year period?

There is no way to peace; peace is the way.

by GoNolzOhio on Jan 25, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree, I was suprised too

It seems he does just enough to keep his job

It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee

by RaysnNoles on Jan 25, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I think this chart is a bit skewed by the "binary" nature of NCAAT appearances.

You make it in, you’ve got a decent chance of getting some W’s. We were on the cusp for 4-5 years, but having fallen just short of several bids, there were no opportunities for NCAAT wins. Our run through the ACCT last year shows we could potentially do some damage in a tournament once/if we get there.

I.e., while everyone is ultimately after NCAAT appearances and wins, season success is a better assessment of program performance than the above. At some point, you have to realize when you’ve got a Norv Turner on your hands, but I don’t think we can make that judgment just yet. Our year-to-year trajectory is still positive.

by arrdub on Jan 25, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Good point

I think I will stick to analyzing football

It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee

by RaysnNoles on Jan 25, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

And I'll stick to nitpicking others' well-thought-out analysis ;)

Seriously, I love to look over everything that gets posted on here and just because I disagree with something doesn’t mean the perspective isn’t appreciated. The more ways you cut it, the closer you get to the truth.

by arrdub on Jan 25, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought your data was a good counterpoint to the Clark data.

Both sets are incomplete alone, but they give a good picture when you look at them together. We have been consistantly average.

Process > Results

by TBfisherman on Jan 25, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

So is it our OOC games that hurt us?

Are we scheduling too hard or just not winning games we should.

It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee

by RaysnNoles on Jan 25, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd say it's a combo of scheduling top 5 and bottom 50 RPI, along with too few middle of the pack-ers, that really kills us.

If we had 1-2 more top 100 OOC wins in several of our “near miss” years, along with the accompanying boosts to RPI + SOS, we would have easily made it.

For the record, I think it is completely bogus that a win over #300 versus a win over #200 can have such a dramatic impact on your RPI + SOS, but it does, and it’s killed us. They need to implement some type of curve or stagger the weighting of the formulas via some other statistical method to smooth out results like that.

by arrdub on Jan 25, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Our OOC scheduling has improved a lot the last couple of years

A lot of scheduling is luck. Can you tell me how good Jacksonville or Iona are going to be next year? We should have made it at least one more time out of the last 5 years based on our resume. All that being said, if we win 1 more game those 3 years in a row we didn’t make it, we’re in.

Process > Results

by TBfisherman on Jan 25, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

So the question is...

Would you rather cheer for a team that is consistantly good, but not great (FSU, BC, Clem), or a team that may have 12 wins one year and 4 the next (Md, WF)? We’d all like to be UNC or Duke but realisticly that won’t happen overnight.

I still think the team is progressing under Hamilton, although slowly, and we could have a great year in the near future, but I would consider our last several years average, except for last year. While I share everyone’s frustration with Hamiton’s offense, I am willing to be patient a little longer because I am satisfied with the progress the team has made as a whole. I don’t care if the wins are ugly, as long as they aren’t all lucky.

Process > Results

by TBfisherman on Jan 25, 2010 9:02 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I’d rather have the roller coaster ride. Being consistently good but having nothing to show for it is boring.

by evenflow58 on Jan 25, 2010 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Ryan Reid

By the way, I never thought I would be happy to see Reid coming back into a game. He has improved quite a bit, although he still has some glaring weakness which surfaced quickly after he came back in. I know at times, he is our best option, but I can’t figure out if it is because he is a decent player this year, or if we have a missing piece and he is the only guy that comes close to filling it.

Process > Results

by TBfisherman on Jan 25, 2010 9:33 AM EST reply actions  

I've been pleased with Reid's development as well.

He’s not perfect, but he adds another option in the low post to compliment Alabi.

by Darkhorse99 on Jan 25, 2010 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

OUCH

Anyone else cringe when he went down? I guess it looked a lot worse than it was. But seriously, what took the trainer so long to get to him on the floor? He sat there writhing in pain with the ref standing over him staring and no trainer. Very strange situation.

Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.

by onebarrelrum on Jan 25, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

FSU's offense broke into kenpom's top 100 (#99). Defense remains elite at #3.

Say what you will, but there’s statistically demonstrable improvement on the offensive end. Fairly rapid, in fact, considering how low we were about 10 games back.

Also, regarding Singleton, I am apparently one of the few that believes his outside shooting will be a key to our success going forward. As long as that’s a threat, it gives him the capacity to drive past the smaller 3’s that are guarding him. He’s still 33% on the year, which is enough to keep defenses from sagging off the perimeter on him. I believe it is a mental issue, and a shooter needs to shoot himself out of that.

by arrdub on Jan 25, 2010 9:56 AM EST reply actions  

So it is basically a replica of our football team

Doesn’t give me much hope

It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee

by RaysnNoles on Jan 25, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Just so we're clear, top 100 in basketball is top third.

And since we were like #200 a couple games back, I would have to guess that we’ve been playing somewhere around top 50 the last 10 or so games to have made the jump in rankings that we’ve made.

Really, if we cut down on turnovers, we will be a serviceable offense.

Four Factors
Effective FG%: 52.4 54
Turnover %: 24.9 328
Off. Reb. %: 39.3 20
FTA/FGA: 42.5 70

by arrdub on Jan 25, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Looking at more kenpom stats...

Dulkys has climbed to #10 player nationally in ORtg.

Offensive rating (ORtg): A measure of personal offensive efficiency developed by Dean Oliver. The formula is very complicated, but accurate. For a detailed explanation, buy Basketball on Paper.

I may be overstating this, but he really may be our most important player. Certainly our best (and only consistent) 3 pt shooter, possibly our best on-ball defender (look at Shumpert’s stat line in this game vs. some of his other recent performances as evidence), and maybe the only guard on our team that is not prone to throwing the ball away. It seems like we have guys that can fill in for Solomon and Singleton (our other two most important, in my opinion), but whenever Dulkys is off the floor we suffer. He is very good already, but will be an absolutely amazing player in 2 years, maybe one of FSU’s all-time greats.

by arrdub on Jan 25, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

agree on Dulkys

team suffers when he is out.

Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.

by onebarrelrum on Jan 25, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I didn't either, just saw it on kenpom.

I’ve had a man-crush on him since he shut down Wayne Ellington in last year’s FSU-UNC game (at the Tuck), but this season he’s finally grown into the offensive player that we hoped for.

Besides the tangible, you can really tell that he’s the one that knows what is going on for our team on both sides of the court. Constantly coaching his teammates.

Who’s a famous Eastern Block military leader we can use to coin a nickname for him?

by arrdub on Jan 25, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I have to slightly disagree here. Beginning of season, I was in the Dulkys

camp as far as the “Key to the Season” player, due to the obvious fact that we need as much offensive help as we can get.

However, I have switched my opinion as of the last few games: Singleton is the most important player on the team.

For Dulkys, the life and times of good three-point shooters is streaky. Kitchen is a known quantity at this point, just give me some assists and no turnovers, DK. Ryan Reid has been a pleasant suprise as of late, but may be at or near his potential. Alabi can be double-teamed, pushed off the post.

On the other hand, a few “tweaks” to Singleton’s offensive game, and we have on our hands a hellacious match-up problem for our opponents with a huge upside. All this guy has to do in stop chucking threes and cut out the turnovers and I think he can singlehandly give us the “servicable” offense we want. Singleton becoming a consistent slasher, going to the hoop, will take pressure of off Alabi and the perimeter.

Singleton is the most important player on the team. His improvement or lack thereof will determine if this team goes Dancing.

There is no way to peace; peace is the way.

by GoNolzOhio on Jan 25, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

In terms of a dynamic element, yes.

Singleton has the capacity to take our ceiling through the roof. Both through use/development of his extensive skill set as well as his ability to reduce our error rate by the largest margin.

However, I believe our backcourt and, therefore, offense, would essentially fall apart without Dulkys. He is now a bona fide THREAT from outside whether hitting shots or not (though most of the time he is), and that softens up the entire defense for guys like Singleton/Snaer, who we want to be slashing to the basket. He is also the guy I trust the most NOT to turn the ball over in key situations.

On defense, again, he is our best on-ball defender. He has consistently defended the other teams’ best backcourt threat. Snaer is coming along nicely but he still makes big judgment errors (like the slip that gave GT 4-on-5 at the end yesterday), and Kitchen and Loucks for varying reasons just don’t seem to have it together yet.

Finally, I don’t think we can really overstate just how much of a “glue guy” he is in terms of being a coach on the floor. Watch him talking to the other kids; he is typically the one that guys like Singleton are looking to when they don’t know where they are supposed to be.

So, Singleton is like the spire on the Empire State Building whereas Dulkys is the foundation. Singleton can take us up into the clouds but no one’s going anywhere unless things stay solid underneath.

Anyway, all a hypothetical argument to some degree and I agree that Singleton is hugely important…. along with Alabi, who is probably single-handedly responsible for -10 on the other teams’ shooting %.

by arrdub on Jan 25, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm just saying.....

One doesn’t have an elite defense by accident. Somebody coaching somewhere on the staff! Couple of observations about the offense. Our passing game, recognition skills, ability to run set plays, screens, hit FT’s & perimeter shooting are just average right now. How or if they develop on that end of the floor will determine how dangerous FSU is in March.

by 30yearnole on Jan 25, 2010 10:13 AM EST reply actions  

great point

overall i think im optimistic about both this team and the program overall -
it seems to me that we do the difficult things pretty well – we play great team d most of the time
we’re usually patient on offense and attempt to work teh post
our post players normally pass out of double teams well (not too many college bigs have that skill)
we run sets for dulkys to get good looks and he’s shooting very well from deep this year
our team passing is well above average imo – almost everyone looks for teh open man when its appropriate – we don’t have any gunslingers..
kitchen has even shown signs of looking to to be a pass-first point and then let his offense come as a second option

overall we’re pretty solid at the complex parts of the game –
its the simple things that still elude us:
free throw shooting
knocking the ball out of a teammates hands – especially on defensive rebounding or free throws…
not executing an outlet pass

its frustrating to watch a team do well in the difficult areas of the game, then turn around and botch the easy stuff..
but as i mentioned – overall im optistic..

by 000111 on Jan 25, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

In Case

anybody missed this tidbit TD is gone, doing time on the bench in NYC. It’s ok, we’ve all been in mourning but somebody on this team needs to plug in the light and play some ball.

by 30yearnole on Jan 25, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

we have shown a history of good FT shooting. That is solely on the players IMO.

Letting Singleton rain 3’s is another story, although he stopped in the second half, so maybe the coaches got their point accress. I can’t blame him for shooting the last one. GT was just asking for it.

Process > Results

by TBfisherman on Jan 25, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Chris Singleton an Outside Threat?

No way – it’s one thing to shoot the 3 pointer and miss, 3-25 in ACC play is ugly, but the thing is when he shoots them he is wide freakin open and still bricks them. I would rather see Alabi shoot wide open 3’s than Chris, seriously. When he drives to the rim though he is something special and I think he is one of the best all around players we have….

by DaveSpates on Jan 25, 2010 10:33 PM EST reply actions  

You can't drive to the rim like he has been doing if the defender doesn't respect his outside shot.

Not to mention he hit a huge 3 near the end. 3-25 is just a streak.

Dulkys had similarly bad runs last year. Shooters shoot themselves out of bad streaks. Singleton will do so for us and we will be a better teaem when his shots start to fall for him again.

by arrdub on Jan 25, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

i like to think youre right (abt the shooting streak)

and i agree w/ your bit re: the need to establish respect – especially when teams will zone us to death – you can’t simply work the ball around and get a man open only to have him hesitate and not shoot (unless its demercy)

by 000111 on Jan 25, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Pardon the intrusion....

As you can I am a Gator. But, I follow FSU Basketball. And, we all know that we as rivals keep an eye each others’ programs. That being said, I keep reading lots of comments about those not pleased with Coach Ham. From my understand the program was not in a good place when he arrived. Why has he not done a good job to you guys? And, now that the program is in a good place do you not think he is the one to raise it to the next level? The team has made great strides this year. Chris Singleton lit the Gators up from behind the three point line in the first half earlier this year. I think he will find his stroke again. I think Alabi is tenative inside…but remember he has not been playing organized basketball that long. He will get tougher. They have the defense. If Dulkeys can remain a threat outside, get more production from Alabi and Singleton and, possibly stronger guard play from Kitchen and, this team will go deep into the tournament. I guess what I am saying is I am a believer in the program and I can’t stand FSU. I just happened to think Coach Ham is a good guy, hell of a recruiter, and a good Coach. Give him just a little longer before you kick him out. I personally think Florida, Miami, nor FSU are dream basketball jobs for many right now….

by Gaturprincess on Jan 26, 2010 3:24 PM EST reply actions  

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