Florida State Recruiting Update, 1.27.10
by FSUSOM on Jan 27, 2010 9:00 AM EST
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PrintUPDATE: As we speculated on twitter 7 days ago, Demar Dorsey has finally confirmed that UF and him have parted ways. As indicated below, we consider him an FSU commitment and have since he committed to the 'Noles over the weekend. He will be a 'Nole unless he decommits and goes to USC.
It's Wednesday. That means recruiting. As always, refer to the recruiting board for any info you may need on these prospects! (or click their name if a link is embedded). One more week until National Signing Day! Make sure to be here for all the fun next Wednesday!
Here's an update from JC at ESPN:
Florida State Seminoles
New coach: Jimbo Fisher
The moment it was announced that former coach Bobby Bowden was retiring and Fisher was taking over, the Seminoles went on a tear, getting commitments from several of the top prospects in the country, including five-star CB Lamarcus Joyner (Fort Lauderdale, Fla./Saint Thomas Aquinas) and five-star ILB Jeff Luc (Port Saint Lucie, Fla./Treasure Coast), the nation’s top prospects at their respective positions. The Seminoles are waiting on defensive end Corey Lemonier (Hialeah, Fla./Hialeah), athlete Christian Green (Tampa, Fla./Catholic) and linebacker Christian Jones (Winter Park, Fla./Lake Howell) down the stretch. They have a good shot at the clean sweep, plus a few potential surprises.
This past week Florida State has received a commitment from Boyd Anderson S Demar Dorsey. Some sites are disputing this and apparently even Dorsey himself is saying that he is undecided, but we believe this is just posturing by the kid to preserve some mystery and draw attention to his "announcement." We're sticking by the story and our information is that Dorsey is still an FSU commitment. He could be very good under a defensive backs coach like Florida State's Mark Stoops.
As for the conflicting reports on Dorsey and the accusations of irresponsible journalism stemming from running a story without quotes, we stand by our story. We learned of the commitment over the weekend, but in discussing the issue with other site managers, elected not to run it unless someone else released the information. Nobody was willing to be first. TN did not break the story, but rather linked to the breaking news from Luke Stampini. Stampini breaks commitments, holds camps in SoFla, and is majorly tapped in to the local high school scene. He knows when kids elect to go to even the tiniest of schools. Once the information was out in the open, we shared what we had heard and gave information on Dorsey's profile as a prospect.
The argument that the story somehow damaged FSU's recruiting efforts or aided the coaches of other staffs is similarly flawed. School A has private investigators tailing the school B's staff. This is serious business. To assert that UF or any school gained new information from TN's story is to demonstrate a lack of understanding of the level of information available to college staffs. UF absolutely knew as soon as Dorsey committed over the weekend, and it was Dorsey himself who told other recruits and staff that he made the switch. It's a rare occurrence when a coaching staff learns new information via a message board or digital media outlet. Typically that occurs when a site reports action in real-time, like when a prospect commits during his official visit and the site reports it immediately. That was not the case here, as the story came more than a day after the event. College coaches are paid to know this information and you better believe they knew the Dorsey story before the Gator message boards began to discuss the story in the early part of the weekend.
If UF flips him back, or if USC can pull the switch, they will have wrestled him away from FSU and done so without the aid of any website.
1/22/10 Weekend Visits:
- FSU firmed up the commitments of Terrence Brooks and Cameron Erving, which was no surprise. There is some chance Brooks could go to USF, but that would not be a big loss for what is already considered an excellent DB class.
- ThaRinger.com reports that FSU commitment LB Telvin Smith enjoyed his visit to UGA. Tharinger feels, as do I, that Smith will be in FSU's class come February 3rd.
- There is a lot of smoke about 4* DE J.R. "Ego" Ferguson's visit. There are some saying that Ferguson committed to FSU while on the FSU. Despite this, I do not expect him to end up at FSU, but rather at Miami, where he visits on the 29th.
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Honestly, I am surprised that New Jersey OL Dan Foose has not publicly committed to the 'Noles. Expect a commitment soon.
- Our Shaydon Akuna source spoke with him late Tuesday night and he indicated that contrary to some rumors, he has not yet canceled his visit to Florida State. That said, a linebacker from Hawaii committing to a school in Tallahassee, Florida should be considered unlikely.
Other Assorted Notes:
- Former 'Nole commit Tavaris Barnes is solid to Clemson and let the world know via a rather boisterous face book announcement.
- LB Christian Jones is probably the most-talked about recruit leading up to NSD this year. Numerous outlets are reporting that he will make a visit to FSU before NSD, either a mid-week visit or an unofficial on the 29th. Tharinger.com confirmed that Jones has basketball games Friday and Tuesday. If he is on campus this weekend, it will likely be Saturday.
- Tampa Catholic WR Christian Green might be taking a visit to FSU this weekend. Green's brother recently committed to play defensive end for FAMU, a development that bodes well for FSU. We believe FSU continues to lead over UGA and UF for Green's services.
- DE Corey Lemonier narrowed his choices to FSU and Auburn. Pretty confident with him. It will depend on how he bonds with DE coach Darin Eliot and if he buys into the SEC hype machine.
- Some possible greyshirt candidates are Holmes Onwukaife (late birthday and he already wants to redshirt) and Dan Foose. These are all unconfirmed rumors, and TN is not sure which recruits will greyshirt.
- While we expect that FSU will sign multiple kids with the intention of placing them in Junior Colleges, those kids are not specifically known at this time.
Inside, we offer a predicted class! Click "continue reading this story"
Wrapping up the 2010 signing class:
At this point, we expect FSU to sign 28-29 prospects. The 'Noles could and will sign more if everything breaks their way and in that case FSU would result to greyshirts. Here's what the board looks like right now
| Committed | Potential Commitments |
| QB Clint Trickett | FSU is done at the QB position. |
| RB Debrale Smiley | |
| RB Mack Brown. He is a UF commitment but there is definitely room if he can be swayed ;) | |
| WR Christian Green |
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| WR Kenny Shaw | |
| WR Greg Dent (for now though many think he is a DB) | |
| WR DeJoshua Johnson | |
| TE Will Tye | |
| TE Tank Sessions | |
| OL Dan Foose (likely in the class and a potential greyshirt) |
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| DE Darious Cummings (End not tackle) | Look for FSU to take 5-8 DL in this class (Ends + Tackles) |
| DE Bjoern Werner (is an end not a tackle) | |
| DE Corey Lemonier | |
| DE J.R. "Ego" Ferguson (is an end not a tackle) | |
| DT Anthony "Amp" McCloud | |
| DT Damien Jacobs | |
| DT Cameron Erving | |
| DT Calvin Smith | |
| DT Charles Deas (currently at a JUCO, provided he can get his grades in order, highly doubtful) | |
| FSU will take 5-6 linebackers. | |
| LB Christian Jones |
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| LB Jeff Luc | |
| LB Telvin Smith | |
| LB Nigel Terrell | |
| LB Holmes Onwukaife | |
| LB Shaydon Akuna |
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| LB Darrin Kitchens- unlikely |
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| CB LaMarcus Joyner | |
| CB Terrence Mitchell | FSU will not take any more cornerbacks. |
| CB Mike Harris (JUCO) | |
| CB Terrence Brooks | |
| S Chad Abrams | |
| S Demar Dorsey (might play some offense) | It's Deering or nothing at the safety position. There's not a need here, but Deering is an excellent prospect whom we are told FSU would not pass up. As for Dungy, he would need to accept the greyshirt offer. |
| S Jeremy Deering- would definitely take and could play some offense. |
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| S Eric Dungy (greyshirt or nothing) |
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| ATH Jared Haggins (either WR or S) |
As far as a projected class, we feel that the following kids are more likely to attend FSU than any other school (greater than 50% chance on each of the uncommitted kids). Current commitments appear in bold.
QB Clint Trickett
RB Debrale Smiley
WR Christian Green
WR Kenny Shaw
WR Greg Dent
WR DeJoshua Johnson
WR/ Ath Jared Haggins
TE Will Tye
TE Tank Sessions
OL Dan Foose (our recruiting guys regard him as a virtual lock)
DE Darious Cummings
DE Bjoern Werner (barely made it into the list)
DE Corey Lemonier
DT Anthony "Amp" McCloud
DT Damien Jacobs
DT Cameron Erving
LB Christian Jones
LB Jeff Luc
LB Telvin Smith
LB Nigel Terrell
LB Holmes Onwukaife
CB LaMarcus Joyner
CB Terrence Mitchell
CB Mike Harris
CB Terrence Brooks
S Chad Abrams
S Demar Dorsey
S/ ATH Jeremy Deering
We do not yet feel comfortable stating that the following kids are more likely than not to sign with FSU. Even if FSU is more likely than any other school, if his chances of going to FSU are less than 50%, he is in this group. For instance, if prospect A is "40% FSU/ 30% Bama/ 30% Tennessee" he would be in this group because his FSU percentage is not more than 50%.
RB Mack Brown
DE J.R. "Ego" Ferguson
DT Calvin Smith ('Bama and Tennessee hard charging)
DT Charles Deas (grades issue only, would enroll late in summer from his JUCO)
LB Shaydon Akuna (Oregon State excellent school for linebackers)
This is all subject to change and as the week wears on, it almost certainly will. Keep your web browser pointed on us and we'll keep you up to date.
With the full allotment of coaches recruiting, the 'Noles seem to be making great progress on the trail. They might finish with a top 5 class! Pretty remarkable for an ACC team that finished 7-6.
Editor's Note: As has been the case the past two years, we hope you'll join us for National Signing Day. It will be an all day event. We'll keep track of all of the commitments, both FSU and otherwise, and we hope you guys all stop by and participate again this year. We had approximately 3,000 comments last year on NSD. Also, if you're near the high school of a likely commitment or committed prospect, please contact us. You may have the opportunity to assist with what should be a great national signing day.
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Great writeup
I liked the beginning, which was different then usual. It was a good idea in my opinion to address the shot being taken at you guys by responding in a common sense fashion. Always better to keep the fanbase educated.
Also, you all still think its more likely then not we get Christian Jones. I hope you are right, but at this point, I thought he would go with the kids like ego and mack
I agree
I know a lot of drama has come up regarding Dorsey. I feel yall handled it great. I feel like a kid in a candy shop. 7 more days to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
UF and USC was the competition.
UF recruiting guys have pretty much said that he is a lost cause and will not be going there.
Many expect him to cancel his visit to USC do to HS BBall games. Instead, the article above indicates he is likely to take yet another unofficial to Tallahassee. What does that tell you?
It tells me
that maybe he used an official to UF recently…
Excellent post, as always
I am really looking forward to NSD getting here so we can stop speculating and actually know who is going to be in our class. That being said, I am thoroughly impressed with Jimbo and his staff. Considering the players we have gotten since Bowden announced his retirement and that most of this was done with just half a staff…..just a job well done. I’m looking forward to getting these guys in school.
For those of you that haven’t seen this fanpost that Pinto posted the other day, check it out. NSD is next Wednesday and there are parties throughout the Southeast and this even can also be viewed on Seminoles.com. http://www.tomahawknation.com/2010/1/20/1262441/national-signing-day-war-parties
Thanks for the update
but sad to hear about Ego. We really need D-linemen… Although Lemonier and Green would be huge, I think landing Green would be the biggest commitment of 2010 since 10 (or so) schools from all over the country are recruiting him, e.g., ND, USC, Bama, UF, etc. Hell, Saban himself made a home visit to the kid. If FSU lands him, this would be a huge statement. How incredible would it be to land Jones, Lemonier & Green?
The Fisher era has begun!
Doesn't surprise me to be honest.
If you have a coach who blows up a smoke screen by saying he is retiring and then suddenly has his heart and anxiety problems cured after “a spirited practice”, everything is possible. We have to realize we are dealing with people who will do anything to get an edge, and private investigators are very common.
I know shady stuff goes on
At every college (I was born in the dark but not last night)but really i’m asking as a real question private investigators really?Its that shady?
Is it legal???
Assuming that School’s A and B are public universities, are state agencies allowed to spy on other state agencies? Also, I am wondering whether UF’s manipulation of the media has been legal…. If their athletic department officially makes statements they know to be untrue, that might also be illegal.
The Progession of Timmy, according to Pat Healy
“My real passion is my hobby. I work with retards. No one’s going to tell me who I can and can’t work with, right? We got this one kid, Tebow… He’s got a forehead like a drive-in movie theatre, but he’s a good ship. So we don’t bust his chops too much. So, one day Tebow gets out of his cage… well, it’s just an enclosure. So, I went out and I got him, uh, I got him a leash. One of those ones you can hook on the clothesline, and he can run back and forth and, uh, there’s plenty of room for him to dig and play. That kid is really, uh, he’s really blossomed.”
by basaltrock on Jan 27, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
1st laugh out loud moment in some time.
On TN. Thanks.
by scalp n spank on Jan 27, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
I believe there were some Atlanta Nole fans that were looking to meet up for the NSD Parties
You might want to check it out if you already haven’t NSD War Parties
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
They can't even stop obvious cash flow
The NCAA is really, really weak when it comes to enforcing recruiting rules
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unless the school self reports
then they put the hammer down.
While we're on movie quotes...
from The Big Hit
“Who could be so STUPID!!!”
When it comes to USC of UF
The NCCA won’t nip a thing.
by NolesOrNothing on Jan 27, 2010 10:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think Dorsey is Matt Elam Part Deux
I won’t believe it until his LOI is faxed. I’m happy if we get Deering though.
Man, call me crazy, but adding Deas would be AWESOME
Can't we get Deas
in some online music classes? LOL – just kidding……..don’t shoot.
Chop it up Seminoles!
by horsepowernole on Jan 27, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
And props on using the z
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
"But How will I know limits from lies, if I never try."
by geoffissiffoeg on Jan 27, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
"It's a rare occurrence when a coaching staff learns new information via a message board or digital media outlet..."
Unless, of course, Larry Coker is running your team.
by Mr. Tito Carlos on Jan 27, 2010 9:34 AM EST reply actions
Or Jeff Bowden is running your offense.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
"But How will I know limits from lies, if I never try."
by geoffissiffoeg on Jan 27, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Great WORT as usual.
I’ve been saying all along that UF had way to many primadonna safeties, so the Dorsey flip doesn’t surprise me.
Also, I think it’s HUGE that Green’s brother is coming to play at FAMU. I went from thinking we had a 50/50 chance to about 90% sure that Green is ours!
I think of our remaining targets, Green worries me the least
I was most concerned with Jones but if he really canceled his USC trip, that is a huge lift.
by basbalstr101 on Jan 27, 2010 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah- I thought USC would be the biggest threat for Jones...
I would think Alabama and UF have a slight chance…
It would be fun to watch FSU get televised signatures from Jones, Green, Lemonier and Dorsey on the same day.
Heck yeah !
That would be awesome ! I wont be getting much sleep the night before, im going to pull an all nighter, Got some some cuban coffe on hand I’ll be good..lol
yeah I would
If you think your chances are good with the boss/supervisor whoever, The go for it !
by diehardnole on Jan 27, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
FML
On NSD I have a huge forum at work in which me and a bunch of younger coworkers will be presenting our achievements to the senior leadership staff. It’s an ALL DAY event and I’ll be lucky if I can check the recruiting news before I crash into bed at night.
I'm with you.
Next Wednesday is a bad work day. Probably be a 12 hour day. SO LAME.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
by onebarrelrum on Jan 27, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
I think my stigmata is kicking up.
I seem to have an out break of those pesky wounds of Christ on the first day of Wednesday every February.
Scenario
Assuming Jones continues a family legacy and becomes a Nole on NSD… Where would Kitchens fall into play “if” we lose T. Smith to UGA and Akuna stays on the West coast?
by CSI Nole on Jan 27, 2010 9:50 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Since they
are announcing on NSD, I would say it’s too late for Kitchens. I’m not sure we are recruiting him very hard anymore as it stands now though…
Glad to hear that people who have way more info than me are still high on Lemonier and Jones
I want to believe that both of them will be in this class but our recent history on NSD has completely killed all my hope. No matter what this class is shaping up to be something really special. Stoops is going to be like a kid in a candy store once all these DBs are on campus.
Quite honestly if you are going to stick with the Dorsey Story
I would run it by Noles55 first before we get a thread lock here.
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
That would be the smart move....
but I think it is uncool and unprofessional to announce where a kid is going before he wants to.
Love this site, but it is not cool and I think it hurts FSU recruiting.
You feel free to disagree, but that is my opinion and I have the balls to not go with group think.
I tthink everyone needs
to take things in context. Does anyone know exactly how the information was obtained? Did Dorsey say something to other people or was it the coaching staff? I doubt it was the coaching staff. If he didn’t want it public, then why tell other recruits/people??
Luke got it from a source "close to the situation"
He’s as credible as it gets in Southern Florida football recruiting. TN did not break this story. It was a link to Luke’s information and a profile of Demar as a player.
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I don't doubt...
the story. I think TN is a GREAT source for FSU info….it is why I read this site.
I just don’t believe it is the right thing to do…..post a story saying he is comitted to FSU when he hasn’t said that. I don’t think it is fair to the kid nor do I think it is good for FSU’s recruiting efforts. Just my opinion.
again I think the key point here is that TN did not break the story.
sharing info from other media outlets is what TN does. If there’s a wrong party here it’s the “source close to the situation” who leaked the info against Demar’s wishes.
Yeah, right!
They are BOTH wrong...
just because someone else ‘reports it’, I don’t think that makes it OK for TN to repeat it. JMHO.
You're entitled to that opinion and I understand what you're saying
But if you think FSUn and the recruiting guys didn’t consider all factors here in the days before posting it, you’re mistaken.
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I disagree with them...
I didn’t say they didn’t consider all the factors.
I didn't bring this up...
I was called out….so I responded.
But I don’t think like everyone here so I get insulted. Sorry, please send me the ‘how we are supposed to think at TN’ handbook so I can fit right in.
Did you call it negative when this site called a player garbage? Or rip a large percentage of the coaching staff or FSU moves? ‘Negative’ is perception. This site is ‘negative’ by definition, but if you have the group think….it is OK.
Total BS. Same #$# different site.
Is it group think within the site or the seminole fanbase.
I didn’t call you out. I called out ffnole. I just figured you didn’t understand the situation.
This site....
I NEVER posted on this thread until someone called me out on it.
Then someone says I am ‘negative’….which I laugh at because other sites like (theterritory.org) regularly RIP this site for being ‘negative’. Guess it is all perception isn’t it.
But I don’t think like the others here, so folks take popshots. Group think. This site has changed in the last 4-6 months IMHO. Morphing into the attitude of other sites like theterritory.org
One the called me out...
one the called me negative and more jumping in to show I am in the minority.
Group think.
This site rips others for this kind of thing and it does the EXACT same thing.
I'm sorry that you're in the minority on this issue?
I don’t really know what to tell you. People disagree every single day on this site about things, but it happens that most don’t disagree with how TN handled this story. I think we have more intelligent discourse on this site than any other covering FSU athletics, but there is certainly consensus on some issues.
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This site has great stories...
the members are JUST like the other sites, just different side of the issues.
I do...and...
leave at that until folks start posting thinks directed at me then respond. DOn’t different than others…..folks just don’t like it when I post so it sticks out because I have different views.
I can handle it…other posters…not so much.
Potshots*
According to urbandictionary.com , you really don’t want any popshots.
With that said, there is some group think on this site. It’s inevitable. There is group think on The Territory and other FSU sites.
Thank you for admitting it...
the group doesn’t like the desenter and keeps pounding them.
I can take it. I just find it ironic because this site used to be the anti establishment amound the other sites…like theterritory…..where you couldn’t say ‘Bobby is killing us" but this site lead the way….now it is like the other sites. DOn’t question us or we take popshots, use groupthink, etc. Shame.
Potshots...
It’s potshots. Click the link above to see what popshots are.
I’ve been in the minority and jumped all over on this site multiple times. I do agree that the culture of the site has changed over just the past few months.
Just appreciate the content on the site. The site is what it is.
55
I don’t think you should classify the site based on one member. When ffnole complained, we felt the need to respond. I’ve always welcomed differing opinions here, provided they are backed up with sound logic.
55
I got ripped by some noob posters yesterday or the day before as well.
I basically said dorsey was a “thug” and wasn’t jumping for joy like 90% of the posters . So they get sad on me and said I wasn’t qualified since i didn’t do em personally.
They said i was new here and that’s why. Turns out they were wrong. I may be as well if dorsey has a nice career with FSU. But it’s all good either way. Stuff happens . Don’t worry on it.
Lemme splain some stuff for you
1. Korey, despite all his heart and effort, was simply a poor player. I couldn’t do what he was supposed to but that’s just it. He was supposed to be a good football player.
2. So we’re not supposed to rip a coach who doesn’t do his job. If you didn’t do your job, your boss could rip you a new one and fire you and your coworkers could rip you as well for making them pick up your slack. He wasn’t doing his job and was even subverting the designated head dog. Why is he to be protected from scrutiny? Another coach who simply wasn’t qualified for his position. Is he to be protected as well?
3. I’m not sure which “FSU moves” you’re referring to but I’ll address a common one: the JB era. We love FSU, we hated what the team had become. We’re going to rip hiring a, not only unproven, but incompetent coach to be the OC, we’re going to rip his beyond poor recruiting, and we’re going to rip subsequent pointless firings (call JB’s offense “high school” on the radio and you’ll find yourself looking for a job (I SEE YA PT WILLIS!).
The fact that your comment is still up proves this is a different environment than Warchant. Call out Dot Com or Warchant like that on their forums and you’ll be enjoying a vacation or a banning.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
"But How will I know limits from lies, if I never try."
by geoffissiffoeg on Jan 27, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
CRAP!
My bad.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
"But How will I know limits from lies, if I never try."
by geoffissiffoeg on Feb 3, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
Noles55, my comment was meant to be lighthearted--not insultingly.
We can agree that you are the realist of realists around here, and you represent the “negative” side of the thinking. I welcome that as there are many FSU homers here (apparently less than other sites) that clog up the discussion sometimes. I legitimately respect your comments over the majority of others here, to be honest.
As for the video clip, I recently caught part of Kelly’s Heroes. Was cracking up at Oddball. The clip seemed like a good way to get a laugh. I’m a terrible comedian. I didn’t even get one “+1” out of it.
Sorry, 55 for unknowingly taking a jab at you. And sorry TN for causing the scuffle. I’ll put myself in timeout for a bit.
Not too late.
But it would’ve been better if I got the +1 in front of my friends. The Brandon Ivory/Calvin Smith story is gonna steal the audience and the +1 will be quickly forgotten. It’s the thought that counts though.
by NOLEinTX on Jan 28, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was just talking about the clip - it was funny.
Nothing against you. The only thing I have done in this whole line is say that Tigerdroppings, another recruiting site, also had new of Dorsey switching in addition to soflafootball. Also said Dorsey may not have taken an “official” public position due to his upcoming USC visit.
I think I understand your point about respecting the kid, two wrongs doesn’t make a right, etc.
IMO, the guys who decided to post the news on TN can express their views and defend their decision, so no need for me to argue one way or the other. I don’t have anything against you for posting an opposing position, but it might have been done in a more tactful way. I think that was my original thought from your original post the other day.
I don’t always agree with what FSUn says, prime example being that we have the No. 1 running game in the country. I still don’t agree with that, I posted why. Posted some stats to support my position. FSUn responded. Still didn’t convince me, but I had made my point and moved on. The differing views are there for the rest of the readers to see and make up their own minds.
Lose-lose proposition for TN, in my opinion.
Don’t reported and you’re not servicing your stated mission/readers, report it and you catch flack.
I see how keeping it under wraps might have been better for FSU for two reasons. First, I would presume your readership is far beyond Luke’s, and secondly, there is inevitably an aura of “official” program affiliation with a fan site like this (i.e., TN breaking news might be viewed as FSU breaking news). There’s a small chance a kid like Dorsey might resent that.
On the other hand, TN is at least in some sense a journalistic enterprise where your mission is not necessarily to prop up the FSU administration, but to disseminate any and all information about the program that readers might be interested in. I would guess that some information is suppressed when obviously detrimental to the program’s interests (hence the delay in releasing), but there comes a point where the demand for information exceeds marginal concerns about such damage (minimal at this point).
In the end, if Dorsey comes out on NSD and makes statements intimating that broken trust influenced a flip back to UF — highly unlikely — then it’s unfortunate, but aside from that — no harm, no foul.
tigerdroppings and other recruiting sites were also reporting the same
it wasn’t just soflafootball.
So that diminishes the concern about "public knowledge,"
… though the FSU tie-in concern remains to some degree.
Still a judgment call and ultimately I think it was a safe one.
Meyer was supposed to go see him for an in-home yesterday, but cancelled
UF wanted him to take on OV to Turdtown and DD chose USC for the OV. It is total splitsville for Dorsey & UF. Only question is whether Kifflin gets him to drink the kool-aid. Perhaps that why Dorsey hasn’t personally announced the switch, he wants to be sure rather than switching twice in one week.
Good to hear.
Of course, the previous rumor was that Meyer/UF had already dropped him prior to us “flipping” his commitment…. so now to hear that he rejected CUM’s overtures sounds a little off to say the least.
It’s maddening (read: hopeless) trying to keep up with all this and decipher what is accurate.
reminiscent of G5
and UF threatening to drop him if he visited other schools. wonder what G5 talked to DD about when he hosted DD on his visit… hmmmm….
If and when the FSU Athletic Department/Administration gives TN press credentials and access, maybe then FSUn might decide to sit on a story like this at the Athletic Dept's or coaches request, or for what might be preceived for the good of program.
Until then, if someone else breaks the news, it is fair game to link said story.
If SWFLNole had not written his story, what would have stopped any of our members from posting a Fanshot linking it.
THIS IS REALLY A NON-ISSUE.
We are going around and around about this story because one, or a couple of members, thought it was inappropriate. This one, or a couple of members, have a right to their opinion, and we have given them a forum to express their opinions without censorship. He/they have done so and continue to do so ad nauseum.
This is my first only only comment on this ludicrous argument and I encourage everyone else to also make it their last.
It was reported by another site, the author linked it and attached his prepared story, one or a couple voiced their concerns, and we offered our rebuttals.
End of story.
Let’s move on.
There is much better and more exciting news that will be forthcoming shortly.
Finally, to quote a former member
PERIOD!
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by FrankDNole on Jan 27, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I guess I should have kept reading futher down before I shot off my mouth.
Oh well, I said what I wanted to say and I will not hide or delete this comment even though some others comments further down basically say the same thing.
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Translation
Wait for pay sites to announce it so they can charge you money even though it is already out there. It all boils down to do you trust Luke and TN or are you reticent and have to wait for information from other sites you trust more. When somebody tells someone he is going to FSU he is announcing he has made up his mind to go to FSU unless that later changes. It is a story, it is discussing recruiting and that is what they do here, discuss recruiting.
Group think is waiting for the pay sites to tell you something is real before you can believe it to be real. It is not like the key to the Nostradamus prophecies was publicly released, it is about where a recruit is telling friends he is going to college.
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
I wonder if Athletics has called TN about this like they did
when Bud went in depth on the Toss Sweep?
Please enlighten the more recent readers.
I can only hope this was an expose on the idiocy of a deep toss-pitch on 3rd or 4th and short???? (Incindentally, this seems to be the one relic of the formerly abysmal FSU offense that Jimbo has seemingly kept in the arsenal, much to my chagrin.)
That play, when set up effectively, works great...
How many times have you seen a defense attack the middle just to watch a RB walk in untouched off tackle??
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
I guess I misrepresented the specific circumstances that this exasperates me the most.
It’s 3rd and about 6 inches that this play kills me. I mean I scream at the television when I see this. You run two QB sneaks in a row, and there is a .00001% chance that a defense can stop you from getting a first down or TD.
While an off-tackle pitch can make for a nice untouched stroll (including a couple extra yards) if the defense overloads the middle, it also risks putting you back to 4th and 4, and forces you to punt or kick the FG.
No one is going to convince me that a QB sneak isn’t the ONLY way to go in this circumstance. (The only exception being a game that is well in-hand where you’re willing to risk it in order to give future opponents a different look to scout.)
Our guys actually discussed it
and decided that TN would not break it because we didn’t want to mess up the kid’s announcement if he were able to keep it a secret. Not surprisingly, he ran his mouth to a lot of people and Luke and several other Gator paysites ran with it. At that point it was considered out and we had no problem going with it.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 27, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I'm putting this comment here, but it's a reply to noles55 as well.
noles55, I completely understand where you’re coming from, but I don’t think we have a simple group think here. Essentially, TN was referencing information that was already out, and that’s just fair game. The kid made that decision, not TN. But again, I like you, and you post good thoughts, so I’m not calling you out – I just hope you’ll take Bud at his word here, and I think most of the board saw it this way from the start. As someone who they occasionally let in the “inside” here, I can assure you that no one protects the information they have better than Tomahawk Nation. In fact, I’ll go on record as saying they always put the program first. And maybe that’s all I have to say, and maybe you just have to go on my word, but for anyone who does care and believes me, you never have to worry about TN exploiting the school or the kids for readership. These are hardcore FSU fans running a blog, not casual football fans running a fading business model.
by TRMNole on Jan 27, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly.
Consider the trouble we went through trying to cover it up when Seddrick Holloway got caught mainlining fryer oil from Guthrie’s. We don’t want to hurt the program.
Matt, you weren't supposed to spill that until Guthrie's received the settlement!
Even I got that memo.
One of my saddest days
in Tallahassee was moving back from Southern California and finding a place that’s way too far from Guthrie’s to make going there any kind of convenient. That and the wife isn’t a fan (wtf?).
"He went into this whole spiel about Shaolin monks or something like that, how we need to be like Shaolin monks and how they don't talk for 15 years and stuff." - Caz Piurowski about Coach Coley
You know I've been here in Tally for nearly 4 years
and never tried that place – what’s good there?
Nothing
I’ll take a Whatburger chicken box over a Gut box any day of the week.
by Mr. Tito Carlos on Jan 27, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously?
I’m not sure I even considered eating at any of these places sober. I just never really liked the Gut Box. Hell, I think that other place on Tennessee Street, I think it was Chubbys (not the club), was better than Guthries. I really never saw what all the fuss over Guthries was about.
by Mr. Tito Carlos on Jan 27, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
I'm with you
didn’t think there special sauce was all that special either.
TWSS
didn’t think there special sauce was all that special either.
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Whataburger chicken box with honey mustard or gravy was the best
Chubys chicken was awesome too specially their Cuban box with rice beans and chicken. Gutbox was OK but I also prefer the other two.
Pssssssssch
Banditos Burritos by far teh best place in tall you eat, after of course the palace chili dog
Well, gosh, it's a weight off of everybody. I think everybody that is an FSU fan or a coach or a player, this takes a weight off the shoulder. But what does that mean? Seven more days of peace?
by stevegrizzle on Jan 27, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Wow all kinds of spelling mistakes sorry
Banditos burritos is by far the best place in Tally to eat; after of course The Palace’s chili dog.
Well, gosh, it's a weight off of everybody. I think everybody that is an FSU fan or a coach or a player, this takes a weight off the shoulder. But what does that mean? Seven more days of peace?
by stevegrizzle on Jan 27, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
Chubby's
Chubby’s is absolutely amazing, the only thing that Guthrie’s does better is their sauce.
Chubby's can be eaten at any time of the day
Guthrie’s is disgusting if you aren’t drunk. Once the alcohol starts working its magic, Guthrie’s is the best food ever. The Guthrie’s drivethru is made for drunk people. All you have to do is pull up and say “Box!” and you get your food (obviously someone else is driving, you’re just screaming it from the back seat).
All this fried chicken talk
and no mention of Hip Hop?! That place trumps all fried chicken places in Tally imo
I know you can fight. But it's our wits that make us men.
that place opened on my last semester in Tally and I never got to go there
By the way I was so angry that they only got a Hardees on campus after I had graduated, we used to drive 20 min out of town to go to Hardees
4 years and no Guthries? Shameful....
+1 on the no slaw and extra fries. I like the extra sauce too…Damnit, Im in VA now…..Not a Guthries in sight….
After 11pm though..Whataburger had the Honey Chicken Butter Biscuits...
Unbelievably good…
Whata discontinued the "Thick n' Hearty"
But if you go to the one on Lake Bradford and ask for Ms. Carolyn she hides a bottle of A1 sauce in the back.
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
Only Whataburger here in Orland near me closed down
I miss those A1 and Barb-q burgers too. Always make it a point to get Whataburger when in Tallahassee and also order a pepperoni and spinach Calzone from 3-Guys from NY pizza (best Calzone I’ve ever had no joke)
A1 is gross. Anyone who puts A1 on steak is missing out. Off topic.
But to each his own.
2010 AD = 1 AB for FSU
Haha many a drunken night included that statement for me as well.
Although I don’t miss it much.
class of 99
This reminds me of the Terrance Mitchell situation
TN had the story for a few days, but Mitchell wanted to announce his decision on a thursday at school. However, the Tampa tribune released the story at midnight that thursday. It was out already so at that point it made no sense sitting on it any longer
by westcoastnolefan on Jan 27, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
With Marsh switching from LSU to UCLA, do we have any concerns about Jacobs getting that LSU offer??
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
I think Coley
was out there yesterday or the day before, so I’m not too worried…
I expect him and Erving to redshirt....
Getting Deas in to school would mean a lot…
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
he would redshirt and still dring gatorade for two years at LSU...my point is he can play sooner here.
Also, I’m not so sure.
Yeah, right!
Here's another way to look at it,
If Jacobs and Erving are able to redshirt, that great for FSU. If we can’t RS them it’s because we have had too many injuries on the DL to redshirt. I would be happy if we can at least RS one of them, as I don’t think either will set the world on fire in their first year. I do, BTW, think either could contribute, if needed.
by mountain renegade on Jan 27, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
NSD Assistance
FSUOM, tried to email you at your gmail address and it was undeliverable. I am in Austin, TX and Cedar Park HS is in my neighborhood (Holmes Onwukaife); I would be happy to help contribute to this great site, email me at gotbbuxx@yahoo.com if you want me to help out! GO NOLES!!!
Sup fellow Austin Nole
Seen Holmes a few times. A little raw but great measurables and work ethic.
by FSUGrad99 on Jan 27, 2010 10:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Tough being a Nole in Austin
I havent gotten to see him live, wanted to, but have lil ones that play. Its tough being a Nole in Austin, too many lizards…ever get out to watch the Noles? We used to have a group get together but when the program left the elite, kinda disipated…
I haven't seen many UF fans here. UT and A&M fans obviously abound though.
UT uses Texas Exes as an alumnus program. A&M has the Century Club. You can liken the number of those stickers around Austin to the Upstate of South Carolina’s IPTAY sticker sightings. All are very active alumni bases.
NoleinTx, while I got you here
I reread your “rant” in regards to certain posters in one of the running discussion/off-topic threads…I think we’re on the same page, and I agree 100% with what you said.
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 27, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Ha ha....I thought it was aimed at someone else
I’ll admit it when I’m wrong. Some others just keep hammering away.
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 27, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
I lived in Austin/San Marcos for 5 yrs...
and being from Houston…I’ve always been the only Nole fan around. Good to see there are more from the Great State.
One week...
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
www.google.com
Not trying to be “snippy”…that that kind of question is really easy to answer on the net.
by PoseidoNole on Jan 27, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
it's pronounced "ebays"
can’t you do anything right? ;-)
by freshcollegeboy on Jan 27, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds "snippy" to me. You wound up answering his question anyway in your next comment. So was this comment really necessary?
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If he did, I don't think anyone would know til he was on campus...
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
I know the answer but it is premium
I am waiting for the go ahead from DOT
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
Green down to UGA and FSU
6. Christian Green, a five-star athlete from Tampa who is slated to play wide receiver in college, has eliminated Florida and is down to just Florida State and Georgia, according to his father, Hiram Green. Christian visited Florida the weekend before last and will take an official to FSU this weekend, but Mr. Green inferred that it’s a 50-50 heat between the Bulldogs and the Seminoles heading into the weekend. Christian will likely make a decision upon his return from Tallahassee and inform the teams involved then but won’t make it public until national signing day.
AJC Recruiting http://blogs.ajc.com/recruiting/2010/01/27/ten-at-10-school-makes-unexpected-play-for-ugas-hutson-mason/
Great Writeup as usual
I’ve been reading this site for a few weeks and finally decided to join in & post. Best Nole site by far, keep up the good work guys
by Jules_Winnfield on Jan 27, 2010 11:25 AM EST reply actions
Agreed...
this site is the future. the subscription sites will eventually go the way of the dodo…as word gets out.
by PoseidoNole on Jan 27, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Jules_Winnfield, welcome to TN. Thanks for joining and posting. All opinions are welcomed and encouraged.
If you haven’t done so already, you may want to take a few moments to check out the following links to bring you up to date and make your visits here more enjoyable.
A) Welcome to TN Guide
2) FSU’s Recruiting Big Board
and
D) The Did You Know Guide to Better Using TN
Again welcome.
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maybe i missed this the past few days but what happened to Brice Schwab?
2010 AD = 1 AB for FSU
thanks. so the past few weeks the guess was 1-2 tricket guys on the OL. Is that one down to foose? Nobody else out there?
2010 AD = 1 AB for FSU
by nolewhacker on Jan 27, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Looks like he is going with Foose
The recruiting guys tell me that FSU looks good for several highly touted offensive linemen next year.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 27, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Poor guy...He'll be the only new guy, with Trickett as his coach, and a bunch of salty veteran incumbents.
He’d better be one tough SOB.
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 27, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Writeup on Jones in the Orlando Slantinel today...
…nothing really new, except if you read between the lines he already knows, and has known where he is going. He makes a ref to “taking a nap” when this is over, due to to the stress….I think the kid made his call a while ago, and is just going thru the motions tilll NSD. Saban impressed the parentals, and I think that is where he ends up. At least he wont be UFAG.
I am not too worried about Jones going to uf.
If his 2 choices were say Bama and FSU, then i would be worried. But it would be too much of a slap in the face to FSU for him to go to uf…i don’t care how pissed they are about the Bobby thing. Can you imagine his father, a former FSU player, having to go to all those games at the swamp to see CJ play? That just aint happenin’.
Bama poses a much greater threat
Than UF (hated rival) or USC (distance). They’re producing NFL type talent right now, Saban is one of the best recruiters in the country, they’re winning national championships, etc.
Logically, they’re a far greater threat
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 27, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Yep...Bama has a great shot...
Not sure what Egret meant…i think those very well are his final 2 choises (FSU and Bama).
by PoseidoNole on Jan 27, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Right. Bama just has too much going for them right now for CJ to dismiss the opportunity to play for them
They’ve got the talent to compete for the NC for the next couple of years. Presents a perfect opportunity for a young defensive player to showcase his talents to the NFL
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 27, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Hard to picture Willie Jones at the games screaming roll tide roll!
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
Just talked to someone at AL..
He said that nobody over there has any indication that Jones is going there at all. Not even anyone starting any rumors whatsoever. He believes that Jones will not be signing with AL. He also was the one who repeatedly told me the same thing when the whole Smart/Sunseri news was going crazy. Take it FWIW…
Process of elimination
UF guys are saying not there.
Cancelled his trip to USC
Alabama – checked off
Notre Dame???
Gotta ND connection?
The whole catch-up credit thing goes for ND.
They seem like the only active fish… but really.. ND??? More and more confident for the good guys.
The Irish were all but out of the mix once Charlie Weis was fired, but Kelly’s retaining of assistant Tony Alford (he recruited and landed the commitment of Apopka cornerback Lo Wood) got them back in.
Link to the Sentinel article: Christian Jones struggles to find quiet as his big day approaches
UF guys are saying not there.
really? I’ve seen lots of UF guys say they like their chances with Jones.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
I can hear Nick Saban now..
“Well, sure Jimbo Fisher is great, everything he knows he learned from me. I did not teach him everything I know though.”
And the Reply
Jimbo: "Yes, I learned a lot about Saban’s defensive schemes. He may have held a little back or he may have learned something new, I couldn’t really say. I know that it did not help Alabama when my offense at FSU beat them in 2007. That was my first year taking over the FSU offense from a squad that wasn’t performing well under Jeff Bowden. The offense is much better now. While he may not have taught me everything he know about defense, he certainly didn’t take the time to learn everything I know about offense. Coach Saban and I still have a good relationship. We talk from time to time, and he asks me questions about what a defense can do to present the most difficult challenges for this or that type of offense to overcome. We also share scouting reports and information about Florida and other common opponents we’ve faced.
Alabama, under Coach Saban, would be the best place to go if you do not choose Florida State. If you look at his coaching history, he was at Michigan State for 4 years, LSU for 4 years, Miami for 2, and he has already been with Alabama for 3 seasons. I don’t know how long Coach Saban intends to stay at Alabama, but history does have a way of repeating itself. Alabama did do very well under its three prior coaches, so I don’t know what would happen if another team hires him away.
You already know about Florida State’s great history, and that we have put more defensive players in the NFL than any other team over the past 20 or 25 years. As you know, I just became the head coach and I don’t plan on leaving anytime soon. Everything you want, as a player or coach, can be achieved at FSU. When I left LSU, I had great offers from other schools. If I was only looking at the immediate future, Florida State was about the fifth best offer I had. I passed on the others because I was looking long term. Long term, Florida State was the best choice.
Having waited for four years to become the head coach, I do not plan on leaving anytime soon. I made good use of the time, and have turned the offense into one of the top 10 in the nation. We’ve done that with a bunch of guys who were not considered big names coming out of high school. That’s half the equestion. Now that I’m head coach, I’m focusing on the other half. We’ve brough in two of the top 25 defensive coordinators in the country, one to become the new defensive coordinator after Coach Andrews announced his retirement and the other to focus solely on coaching our linebackers. Coach Stoops and Coach Hudson have their own tricks and knowledge that we’ll combine with the things with the things I’ve learned from coach Saban and the things that both I and Coach Haggins learned from Coach Andrews and Coach Bowden.
It doesn’t have to take long to turn a program around. College football success runs in cycles. Alabama was down for about 10-12 years, and they have truned it around here recently. At Florida State, we have the offense turned around, which is a big part of the equation. Last year, we showed that we can compete with any team in the nation when our offense is healthy. We’re really only losing our starting TE, and he was out for most of last season with an injury. We also have one of the top recruiting classes in the country, and most of the guys are defensive guys like Joyner and Luc. It’s Florida State’s turn to shine and you can be a big part of what will be a really special defense.
You’ll also have a chance to compete for a starting position right away. You’ll have a chance to determine your own success by how hard you train and study and practice. I can’t guarantee you a starting position right away; you’ll have to earn it. I can guarantee that it works the same for everyone though, and we won’t just start a guy because he has been on the roster longer. It’s a merit system where you get out, what you put in.
In addition, the school is making sure that our players have all the support they need to succeed both on and off the field. As I said, everything you want can be done at Florida State. We’ve had two Rhodes scholars in the last 5 years, one of them coming from the football team. Our quarterback was able to get his degree in 2.5 years and he’ll have his Master’s degree before he enters the NFL draft. So, if it’s academics you’re looking at, you don’t just want to look at where a school, in general, may be listed on some national ranking’ you want to look at what kind of support the school provides to its players to enable them to succeed and what the players at a particular school have been able to accomplish, academically and otherwise. We want players who are smart and have aspirations beyond football. We want guys that strive for excellence in everything they do. I firmly believe that you win games with talent, but you win championships with character.
I believe you have everything we are looking for and everything you need to succeed at Florida State. Don’t believe me because of what I say, judge me by what I do. If we want you and believe in you, it will show by the way we’ve recruited you. You’re the best person to know how hard each team has recruited you, so I’ll let you be the judge. Talk it over with your parents and family, because you have a big decision to make. We encourage our players to visit other schools so that they can make sure they are making the best choice. I’m confident to put what Florida State has to offer against any other school in the country. If you have any questions about anything, please feel free to call me or Coach Coley, Coach Gran, Coach Stoops, Coach Hudson, or any of our coaches. Here are our home, office, and cell numbers.
I’ll see you again Saturday.
by NoleLaw on Jan 28, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
was just going to ask that....
strictly out of curiosity. Sometimes it hurts when we don’t get or lose a certain guy…in his case…adios.
by PoseidoNole on Jan 27, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Just got off da phone wit Fsu..told the coach IM STICKIN WIT CLEMSON.....THE Next four years gone be great in Clemson...Tiger Nation....wasuuuuup???
365 days, until I change my ways.
He spells exceptionally better than most recruits.
You're so wise. You're like a miniature Buddha, covered in hair.
The real question is how pronounces Clemson...
Does he use the Clemp variation… ? Or is it more of a Clint sound?
Clempson… or Clintson…?
My guess would be Clintson.
With a fairly soft t
You're so wise. You're like a miniature Buddha, covered in hair.
Nothing is better than the tiger player who referred to playing for "Clemmons College"
I think it was during the Danny Ford era.
good luck to him
Just not when he plays FSU.
Speak softly, and carry a big Spear
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 27, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
hope he has fun going to the champs sports bowl the next 4 years
2010 AD = 1 AB for FSU
by nolewhacker on Jan 27, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
The ACC no longer has a tie-in to the Emerald Bow.
As well as, obviously, the Gator. Picked up the Sun Bowl in El Paso, though.
Assumes Dabo will be there the next 4 years
unrealistic fans = Dabo on hot seat for marginal performance there
That's a good point.
With FSU on the warpath, there’ll be no more ACCCG for ol’ Dabo.
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 27, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
I've seen much, much worse
From our own players.
It’s the culture. Sad but true.
Speak softly, and carry a big Spear
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 27, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Nick Moody is the man.
If you want entertainment, he’s got gems every now and then.
SCALP 'EM SEMINOLES!
unfortunately...
that is about par for course these days. And a lot of recruits trying to act “hard” photos. It’s really refreshing when a top kid is humble and polite…and actually smiles.
by PoseidoNole on Jan 27, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
have fun not living up to your potential the next four years.
I’m talking as a team mostly. Who knows what he’ll do as a player.
And if you still think there is a chance... his mama has spoken up:
ALRIGHT CHECK THIS OUT YES MY SON IS GOING TO CLEMSON AND IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THEN YOU CAN KISS MY A$$….THATS WHAT HE DECIDED CONGRADULATE AND STOP THROWING SALT DAMN IT!
"Throwin salt" is saying derogatory things that could impede someone's progress as they try to accomplish something
Like back in middle school when you would try to date a girl, but someone tells her you used to date her cousin just as you were about to make your move? Well, whether you did or not (And we know you did), them actually taking the time to tell her that is what would be “throwin salt”. They’re throwin salt in my game" is what we used to say. It’s actually rather old lingo (In Cali at least) that we used to use in the early to mid nineties. A precursor to “Hatin” if you will. Mama Barnes meant well, but she used it in a slightly different context than when it’s normally dispensed.
by westcoastnolefan on Jan 27, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
1. throwing salt -intentionally degrading somebody.
got its name because of the stinging feeling one gets if somebody where to put salt on an open wound. the effects of “throwing salt” at a person are usually the same, but the stinging is on an emotional level.
Guy 1: “You guys are so weak. Yeah you won the game, but only because the other team blows.”
Guy 2: “Man, why you always throwing salt?”
2. throwing salt-anything that will prevent one guy from getting ass with a girl.
I was about to have sex with Jenny until Jeff walked in and asked where was Liz.
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Dimitri Orr/Ego Ferguson
Nobody is talking about the former Arkansas commit who visited the FSU back in October and loved his visit. I think Ego also commits to FSU and not Miami. Miami not having a DL coach hurts them with both Ego and Lemonier.
Not happening..
for both Ego and Orr? Why do you think that?
by Mr.KnowItAll88 on Jan 27, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Calvin Smith down to FSU and UT?
That’s the recent word. Heard Alabama is falling.
Speak softly, and carry a big Spear
Just from some Bama fans
Nothing major. No idea how much they actually know.
Speak softly, and carry a big Spear
by tdchrisdavis on Jan 27, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Anything else about the mystery DT out of Atlanta?
I know there was some mention of this last week or early this week.
It's such a mystery even our own coaching staff doesn't know about it...
lol
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
if you want to see something funny.............
http://recruiting.scout.com/2/939802.html…………check out their christian green prediction lol
Wow...some bigtime contrasts b/w these guys and the TN staff. Interesting.
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 27, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
I prefer
the Scientific wild-ass guess myself.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
by onebarrelrum on Jan 27, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Number will be higher IMO with at least 1 greyshirt
29 is the number Jimbo threw out a few weeks ago.
HA! that works too.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
by onebarrelrum on Jan 27, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
ESPN Article by JC Shurburtt
Goes over how new coaches around the US are doing in recruiting. Nothing too noteworthy about FSU. Interesting how well Doc Holliday is doing at Marshall. He’s stealing lots of talent away from Big East teams, especially West Virginia.
Florida State Seminoles
New coach: Jimbo Fisher
The moment it was announced that former coach Bobby Bowden was retiring and Fisher was taking over, the Seminoles went on a tear, getting commitments from several of the top prospects in the country, including five-star CB Lamarcus Joyner (Fort Lauderdale, Fla./Saint Thomas Aquinas) and five-star ILB Jeff Luc (Port Saint Lucie, Fla./Treasure Coast), the nation’s top prospects at their respective positions. The Seminoles are waiting on defensive end Corey Lemonier (Hialeah, Fla./Hialeah), athlete Christian Green (Tampa, Fla./Catholic) and linebacker Christian Jones (Winter Park, Fla./Lake Howell) down the stretch. They have a good shot at the clean sweep, plus a few potential surprises.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/football/columns/story?columnist=shurburtt_jc&id=4862463
Note the use of "surprises" again.
Another tactic used by some to appear to be an insider.
When they don’t happen… “they were close… real close.” But when someone pulls an Antone Smith, they claim, “I told you there were some surprises in the class.”
Dang FSUn
don’t stoke the fire. I’ve gotten kind of used to expecting a great closing to the class, only to be let down.
I don’t know if I can take it if we have a great class PLUS get some surprises….
Speaking of our woes over the past couple of years, seems like each year there were a few guys that we thought we’d get that went elsewhere, usually last minute, when it seemed we had a good shot with them. I know you’ve written about the failed recruiting classes (who we actually got), but didn’t include who we missed on, and where they ended up (TJ Bryant, Julio Jones, etc.). The only one I kind of know about was Noel Devine, who’s story has been outlined here many times. Why other recruits went elsewhere or what our chances were with them is a big mystery to me.
That is true I plan to destroy the mounties
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
If nothing else you are undercutting their talent.
WVU has thrived off of S. Florida leftovers for years.
Same as last week
Young is not thought to be a legit player at this time. He might be able to go to JUCO
Just curious. what happened with Lattimore?
i don’t know details but he seems like he could be the bigger back JF is looking for. Did we lose interest in him or did he never like us. It seems like we would have only been going up against USCe since Dyer is with Auburn. I don’t think they’d get the two top RBs.
2010 AD = 1 AB for FSU
Smiley is what happened...
Not that Jimbo would have turned him down, just wasn’t a glaring hole to fill as much anymore.
smiley is 3 years to play 3 right?
2010 AD = 1 AB for FSU
Wouldn't have anything to do with "redshirt".
Medical hardship is separate consideration from “3 to play 2,” no?
Otherwise, everyone would come in with 6 or 7 to play 4 (with 1-2 additional medical hardships considered).
You get 5 to play 4.
When you hear about a 6th year, it’s almost always someone who used their “redshirt” year for injury purposes and are asking the NCAA to count the initial redshirt as a medical hardship, because you can receive more than one medical hardship. If that made any sense.
A hardship and a redshirt are definitely different.
i understand it then. I was just wondering when did we back off. When we got Smiley or
when Lattimore ruled us out. Just seemed like a talented kid to give up on just because we got Smiley. What if Smiley is Pressely part 2. Who is our big back then? I know class of 2011 is loaded.
2010 AD = 1 AB for FSU
We didn't back off, we seriously did our best
Losing Miller and Willis sure as hell didn’t help, as they were initially in his ear about FSU but when they backed off we seriously lost traction with him.
it stemmed from a family thing during the season, I believe they were at one point
365 days, until I change my ways.
right so we backed off when he ruled us out or are we still recruiting him?
I’m sure the coaches are doing what they think is best. If our resources are better spent elsewhere the they know best. It will be a big get for USCe to keep a kid like that in state
2010 AD = 1 AB for FSU
We tried getting back in it after he ruled us out
At one point he even considered making us his fifth official, but it just didn’t work out. He is no longer in the cards.
I don't really know why we need him.
We have big needs at every D position on the field. I could see making room for a quality D commitment, but not so much for another RB. With Thomas, Thompson, Pryor, Smiley, and Jones, and Beverly already committed for next year, we just don’t have a need.
I agree
I was more just curious what the story was. certainly we would have taken him if he wanted to come but it is not a big deal. Jones is probably gone though don’t you think. I any case we are set for at least 2-3 years as far as starters go.
2010 AD = 1 AB for FSU
I don't think Jones is gone
He had some good games early in the season. With a nutritionist and proper support staff, he should be able to get the diabetes under control.
Even then. the depth chart is going to get deep. He'll be stuck behind younger players.
2010 AD = 1 AB for FSU
Rivals has FSU still in it.
FYI- Rivals still has FSU as one of six schools still in it for Lattimore.
by SeminoleGrad'08 on Jan 27, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
NSD signing surprises
Who is your surprise NSD pickup for the Noles?
by MJC88 on Jan 27, 2010 2:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Willie Downs and CJ Mizell
2010 AD = 1 AB for FSU
by nolewhacker on Jan 27, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Someone needs to create the "newguy" moniker
And post all of these inevitable questions at the top of every thread…
My wife has a job offer there.
The thought of living near that place is really bothering me.
class of 99
It's actually a nice place to live.
Lots of orange and blue, but I enjoyed it.
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 27, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
Ole Willie Williams and his great diary...
Florida State: I ordered a steak and a lobster tail. The lobster tail was like $49.99. I couldn’t believe something so little could cost so much. The steak didn’t even have a price. The menu said something about market value. I was kind of embarrassed so I didn’t order a lot. ‘But then I saw what the other guys were ordering, I was like, `Forget this.’ I called the waiter back and told him to bring me four lobster tails, two steaks and a Shrimp Scampi. It was good. I took two boxes back with me to the hotel.’’
They had jerseys with our names on it. They even had my No. 17. I told them `Isn’t that number retired for [Heisman winner] Charlie Ward? Coach [Bobby] Bowden was like, `For you Willie, we’ll bring it back.’’
Miami: Coach Larry Coker picked him up at his Carol City home in a white Cadillac Escalade, then put Williams up at the Mayfair House Hotel in Coconut Grove. Williams’ room featured a jacuzzi on his balcony.
Following the campus visit, the recruits boarded a bus with the coaching staff and headed for the Orange Bowl … ’’We’d get to a red light and I would hold on because the bus driver would just take it,‘’ he said. ’I was thinking the bus driver was crazy. Coach Coker was like, `Willie, we’ve got police escorts.’"
Auburn: ‘’The girls at the party were much better than the farmer girls we’d see all day around campus,‘’ Williams said. ``I was kind of worried all Auburn had to offer was those farmer girls that talked funny. But the girls at the party weren’t farmer girls at all. I thought they must have bused them in from Miami.’’
Florida: ‘’I ate so many meatballs, the people there started looking like meatballs … ’The first night I was OK with eating at the stadium. But when they told me we’re going to eat there again, I was a little disappointed. I was like, `Take us to Red Lobster or something.’ That’s when I pretty much made up my mind. I can’t live in a place that don’t have any restaurants. What am I going to do — fly home to eat shrimp?’’
Awesome post...
I laughed my head off. Thanks!
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 27, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Wow...
that brings back memories. Money NOT well spent. What a bum.
As to surprises,
if we close the deal on Dorsey, Lemonier and the two Christians, I will be thrilled silly with this draft class.
Anything else would be pure gravy
that's a tall order...
but probably what we’re hoping for. Not sure we go 4 for 4.
wouldn't surprise me if we did go 4 for 4.
But I am trying to prepare myself for the event that we miss one of those 4. Confident.
heck yeah this class is really coming around
life is great, what you put in 2 something is what you get out of it !!!
by (FSU)phaded211 on Jan 27, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
And I also want to thank all the writers contributing to the FSU recruiting updates - all year long
For me, it is must-read internet!
I’ve followed FSU sports from afar for years and I’ve never felt closer to the action than I do now.
This weekly (hourly?) journey makes me feel like I’m on the inside. Going over the talent available/interested spread-sheeting the depth-chart shows me what are coaching staff is thinking and what it takes to build a program.
Extreme Kudos to You
Thinking about a mystery guy...
The only person I could think remotely would switch would be the DT McCoy kid from GT, but no news has come out of him since he committed…
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
I would really like it if FSU got Dorsey but....
If we land Jones, Green, Lemonier, and get Deering too, I will probably forget that Dorsey and Elam even exist until we play against them.
What??
All I have read all day is that Dorsey and UF have gone different directions. The UF coaches did not visit him, and it is between us and USC.
Just pointing out how unreliable a lot of the "mainstream" sources are
I never said I believed him, I trust in TN
He later said he was told there would be some “surprises” for FSU. (good surprises)
that's been my gut feeling too...
that he’ll stick with UF. Maybe it’s the Elam “fool me once…fool me twice” factor. but I just don’t feel good about DD.
UF was supposed to have an inhome with DD last night and just didn't show up...
It’s a FSU/USC battle now…
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
No kidding?
Wow…that is big news. We’ll have to keep an eye on if he makes a last minute visit to Gunsville.
They didn't want him to visit USC, wanted him to make UF the OV instead
BTW, Rivals has him decommitted from UF. If they were still together, he would not have decommitted. It is also not a knee jerk decommit like Elam’s was.
decommitted
on espn too
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Jan 27, 2010 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
yes me too i have read that on many quality sites also
life is great, what you put in 2 something is what you get out of it !!!
by (FSU)phaded211 on Jan 27, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Great read once again.
I am getting kind of worried about Christian Jones. We really need this kid, and the stuff I am reading about him is making me worry a little.
Vincent Sanders
I heard Vincent Sanders is visiting this weekend, is he really interested or did he just want a free trip?
Dorsey and Gators have Gone seperate ways
According to GB he is no longer a Commit. He is not listed and there is a story up right now.
No longer Being Recruited
http://www.onlygators.com/01/27/2010/demar-dorsey-no-longer-being-recruited-by-gators/
Hope I am doing this right.
I like this....
Rivals is reporting that four-star safety recruit Demar Dorsey is no longer being recruited by the Florida Gators and, therefore, is free to give his commitment to another program
Does anyone else....
think this sends a red flag up?? With it being reported that UF has backed off Dorsey is it because they know something others don’t?
by SeminoleGrad'08 on Jan 27, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
No, this is Urban Meyer the Playa, getting wind that one of his chics isn't buying his lines anymore,
so he’s preemptively cutting ties. “I’m breaking up with YOU.” Nothing to do with character/grades/etc.
Nice.
I guess it could have also been Urban hearing the news about Dorsey’s visit this weekend.
by SeminoleGrad'08 on Jan 27, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
That report is BS
Just Urban trying his best to save face. “We no longer want you, so you’re free to go”. Not “They couldn’t steal Elam, but they snatched Dorsey away” Statement like that are just to make sure UF doesn’t look like they got poached. I’ve wondered for the longest time if they still wanted the kid (I doubted it) but that press release seals the fact they wanted him, or in the very least, did not want FSU with him. I am truly surprised because I thought we were being set up
by westcoastnolefan on Jan 27, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
That is what I was thinking...
he is so focused on PERCEPTION. He can’t STAND to lose.
Shocker (sarcasm)
ESPN is reporting this as if UF dropped him as if it is unthinkable that he could be stolen away by another school. Those guys sure know how to work the PR machine
"No, like I said, Woo peed on my rug" - The Dude
by Surfanole on Jan 28, 2010 11:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
UF doesn't have to take any chances because they have every advantage over us except the depth chart
FSU has an easier path to a BCS bowl game...
when it schedules smart (ie not Spetman’s scheduling). That is a HUGE FSU advantage if it is thinking and taking advantage of it.
Easier road to a BCS game is overplayed?
I think there are some advantages we talk about that aren’t as tangible as others, but the fact that we can get to a BCS game more easily than other teams is important for us. It may not be a selling point to a recruit, but if we take advantage of it and are in the Orange Bowl most years, that will help us immensely.
>>---l>
I really don't feel we have an easier road based on the perception thats out there.
If the SEC champ and Big 12 champs go undefeated their going to the NC game. Ohio State blew it when they no-showed back to back years. Right or wrong, the ACC has the perception of being a weaker conference and kids take notice. I really don’t feel thats a selling point, because top tier kids (The kind we want) have ego’s and would like to believe they can flourish in more difficult situations (As long as it doesn’t pertain to the depth chart). Most kids want to be apart of those big games
by westcoastnolefan on Jan 27, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
We were just talking about to a BCS game
Not the national title game. Although I do think that an undefeated FSU team would get the nod over any other teams after an undefeated SEC champ, undefeated Texas or OU, and an undefeated Southern Cal.
>>---l>
This is where playing...
UF helps a lot. An undefeated ACC team playing UF the last game of the season. It is hard for me to imagine EVER going undefeated at FSU and NOT getting a shot at the title.
I agree with you here….FSU has a good position with schedule.
That and
Just having a conference championship game we will have won could give us a boost over Ohio State or maybe Southern Cal
>>---l>
Another good point...
Maybe pie in the sky, but I really do think FSU has an easy path to BCS games AND a solid position to make the title game in MOST situations.
Oops
I agree, OSU and USC suffer from the perception of their conferences as well (OSU deservedly so).
by westcoastnolefan on Jan 27, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Disagree re: Big 12...
FSU wraps up with UF….That puts FSU over the edge IMHO.
If UF has already lost to Tennesee, and Georgia (yeah right) it won't matter
Big 12 schools travel extremely well too.Texas and Oklahoma for whatever reason will always get the benefit of the doubt until their top heavy conference is exposed for what it is. 2003 Oklahoma squad?
by westcoastnolefan on Jan 27, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
Our OOC games will always be more impressive than Texas and Oklahoma's
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
That's sorta my point
I was born in Oklahoma and they were scheduling bad OOC games when I was FIVE! Lol. If they are undefeated, they just get the benefit of the doubt. Even though, like you just inferred, their schedule is garbage. We’re gonna dumb down the schedule regardless(We need to, at least to have a better record so rivals can’t use that for ammo in recruiting). Basically it seems we’ll play a semi-soft OOC schedule, beat UF, Clemson, GT, and we’ll have a shot in the end
by westcoastnolefan on Jan 27, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
I think it would depends on their OOC games and who they play in the Conf Champ game
If we play a 1 loss UF and a 1 or 2 loss VT I think that outweighs the usually weaker schedules of Big 12 and SEC teams
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
agreed
FSU finished one of its worst seasons in 30-some years (and on a pretty rough streak)…while UF had one of its best ever (matched its best ever W-L record)…and we’re just a step away from their class. Heck…if we sign some of our key targets…I wouldn’t dare trade our class with theirs. I might even like it better…if we add Lemonier, Jones, Green and Dorsey. In any case…we’re close.
FSU is a great “brand”, has great modern tradition, a great sports campus, is located in a town that MOST recruits probably prefer….we CAN compete. And our recruiting…more often than not…even when down…proves it.
by PoseidoNole on Jan 27, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
feb 3
i just cant wait til feb 3, with each passing day r class is looking better & better. if this keeps up we just may be inside the top5, not just the top5. im very very happy how this new coaching staff is putting together there 1st class post poppa bobby, even though im gonna really mis him. but 1 thing i know is were sure in good hands. LETS GO NOLES !!!
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I REALLY like Jeff Luc and Lamarcus Joyner!!
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These kids are going to be amazing!
Ah...
predicting the whims of teenagers…
Pumped about signing day no matter what happens. GO NOLES
I may have missed it but..
are we going after Mack Brown or Rajion Neal. Smiley is a stud but should we take one more?
I wonder what their excuse (Or press release) will be if we managed to pull him?
I don’t see how we would have a shot to be honest. Our depth chart is four deep, just like UFAG’s (Demps,Rainey, Moody, Gillislee)
by westcoastnolefan on Jan 27, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
If this staff has shown anything this recruiting cycle
It’s if there’s small crack, they’re gonna try to exploit it
by westcoastnolefan on Jan 27, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
one thing is certain
we are going to have a good class
saw terrence brooks today at dunnellon high school
tried not to stare o_0 but he definitely looks impressive, very compact with a thick upper body, i’d venture at geussing overall size wise hes around 5’10, 175, and also over heard a coach asking him if he plans to participate in track and he replied "most likely… i wanna be in great shape when i arrive there."
"theres two types of people in this world, those who CARRY a spear and those who FEAR the spear"-James Coley
and by the way he said "there"
i would assume he isnt wavering, almost had "im ready to compete" type of tone.
"theres two types of people in this world, those who CARRY a spear and those who FEAR the spear"-James Coley
lots of Tweets from Coley again 4 in the last couple hours.
Always makes me wonder what he’s up to.
class of 99
Any news on Jones?
Are there seriously rumors about UF getting him??
by SeminoleGrad'08 on Jan 28, 2010 8:38 AM EST reply actions
I mean they're in it
he’s not going to give any new nuggets before signing day.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 28, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
He's probably the one kid...
that I just can fathom signing with UF. Even his father has recently said it’s down to FSU and UGA. There would really have to be some bad blood between the Jones family and FSU for him to choose Gunsville. I just don’t see it…he might pick the Dawgs…but the Gates (shudder).
by PoseidoNole on Jan 28, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Honestly don't think
UF is who we should be worried about, Bama and Saban.
BTW- are you talking about Green is down to FSU and UGA??
by SeminoleGrad'08 on Jan 28, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
You know what happened that turned him away from FU so bad?
I have heard there is a rumor that is going to come out after signing day, couple of the MODS from a couple of different sites have basically said they were going to enlighten us after signing day. I hope I do not have my information crossed up.
Are you guys going to do a write up? Because if they are not going to release it until after signing day, I doubt you guys will either. Sounds interesting though.
Saban and Bama
worry me the most for Jones. Any time I hear Saban is all over a kid trying to get him to commit it makes me nervous.
by BhamSeminole on Jan 28, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
I think it took years off Spurrier's life span
There were years when UF was SEC champions and lost to FSU, just about the only thing keeping him from another NC shot. The gates constantly complained FSU had an easier path to the NC, but yet could not explain or accept the fact that all they had to do was beat FSU to nullify that. It was a great situation to be in.
Herban has pulling this stunt for years, he always says they have pulled someone"s scholarship when he is gilted. I am pretty sure that was the case with Bert Reed also. Bert was going to UF until Herban was telling him he would pull the scholly if he took an FSU visit. Fisher talked him into it anyway. According to Herban they lost interest. But Herban also wanted Reed to play defensive back and he wanted to play on offense.
Herban is like the prom queen who has been stood up at the last minute and proclaims no worries I am waiting on a call from Colin Farrell any moment.
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
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