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Only one flop, but way too many turnovers; again

In a nationally televised game on ESPN last night, the FSU men's basketball team got the opportunity to show the nation that they can be one of the best, most physical teams in the country lead by two future lottery picks. Unfortunately, the Noles also showed the nation that they will bite at any pump fake beyond the 3 point line and that the over/under bar for turnovers each game hovers around 20.

Lacking a true point guard the Noles committed 22 turnovers and allowed 8 critical three-pointers to a team without a strong front court. The Noles out rebounded the Blue Devils by 10 but could only connect on 6 of 14 free throw opportunities; many of them the front end of one and one's.

The Seminoles lone, one dimensional three point threat, Deividas Dulkys was held to one shot attempt in 17 minutes of action. Non-starters, Luke Loucks and Michael Snaer both saw significant minutes off the bench (25 and 26 a piece) but neither was effective. While Snaer did make some nice shots on offense in route to a 13 point perfromance, he also committed 5 turnovers.

It finally appears as if Loucks has adjusted to the speed of the college game and no longer strolls around the court in a nonchalant manner. However his 0-6 shooting performance coupled with some poor decision making in transition nullified his 3 steals and 3 assists. Loucks looked much more comfortable handling the ball and weaving out of pressure, but on numerous occasions tried to drive the ball to the hole on a fast break opportunity only to throw up a bad shot or pass.

On a brighter note, both Alabi and Singelton played with the passion and energy required of future lottery picks. Singelton however was only 2 of 7 from the charity stripe and needs to improve in that area dramatically. Both players finished with 14 points with Alabi totaling 10 boards to Singelton's 9.

FSU's next game is against Boston College this Saturday, while Duke plays...who the hell cares. I'm just looking forward to their late season collapse.

Speaking of collapse, can we start calling for Leonard's head this early into the season; even after he won the ACC coach of the year last year and signed a new multi-year contract? The man can recruit and certainly knows how to instill a defense mindset into his team, but the Noles have been making the same mistakes for years now. The kind of mistakes that will only result in a glass ceiling.

The most notable mistake and stat that you will see is that the Noles have been turnover prone for years now, and haven't had a true pg since the days of Charlie Ward is seems like. TD was the man, but was more of an undersized, score first shooting guard. Kinchen had a nice game last night finishing with 10 assists and 7 boards, but has shown an inability to create his own shot and handle a full court press. Snaer has the quickness and ball handling ability to be a true pg, but his assist to turnover ratio is miserable at best.

While Leonard can't make decisions for his team during the game, one has to wonder why FSU just can't seem to control the ball over the last few years. I find it very odd that no one has pointed to the glaring fundamental flaws in the FSU offense over the years. Hamilton has instilled some sort of motion offense at FSU since he joined the ranks. I'm not going to go into the details of how the offense should work as I really don't know. One thing that I am sure of however, is that you can't start an offense at mid-court.

Watching FSU play, it is mind boggling that every time down the floor the Seminoles can't seem to set up their offense relatively close to the basket, as a normal offense should be run. The guards seem to be passing and collecting the ball a good 6-7 feet behind the NBA 3 point line. How can one be a legitimate threat that far deep? The Noles can face up all they want in the triple threat stance, but until someone starts knocking down And 1 circus shots; good luck finding any continuity in the offense. Further, how can you expect to make a pass to the post from that far out? The Noles have been trying for years, but it always seems to result in either a turnover or a catch by the post player too far from the lane to do any good. Alabi, Gibson, and Reid all seem to be able to get decent post positions around the lane, however aren't able to receive a decent post pass due to the incredible distance (spacing) between the post player and the passer.

If FSU can play stronger on the perimeter and be more territorial with regards to their spacing on offense (often a swift elbow glaze to the opponents nose will do the trick and is perfectly legal if the player keeps his elbows in tight while the defender doesn't give the allotted space) then FSU will begin to see a more fluid offense and will certainly be able to reduce their turnovers.

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On your point about post passes,

it’s also that our perimeter players are failing to recognize when a player is open, so that a) they’re not making the pass at a correct time, and b) they’re not anticipating a post player being open 2-3 seconds prior to it actually happening so we’re not moving the ball with any type of anticipation. It’s more okay, I’ve got the ball…coach says don’t hold on to the ball…hey, there’s someone I can give it to

The effort and commitment is there, but there’s no fundamental understanding of how to attack as a team.

by norcal_nole on Jan 28, 2010 5:11 PM EST reply actions  

One step further

I know there is a plan on offense I just can’t tell what it is. One would expect incremental progress to be made, that’s why teams have so many cupcakes front loaded on the schedule. Are we better now, 20 games into the season than we were in early November? I’m sure someone can roll out a chart or graph that highlights progress in one area or another but the on court product sure doesn’t look or feel any better. I see some differences but the end result is still the same.

by 30yearnole on Jan 29, 2010 8:54 AM EST up reply actions  

nice article- rec'd

You made some great points. I’m not ready to get rid of Coach Ham yet, but your reasoning is sound. A new point guard will not fix our offense. I want to wait and see where we stall out and I am still seeing progress. I know it’s an unpopular opinion.

Process > Results

by TBfisherman on Jan 28, 2010 6:48 PM EST reply actions  

I agree

I’m not down on coach but if I can see the obvious weaknesses in this team then surely the staff can too. A new player & another year isn’t going to fix the problems. There is enough talent, right here right now for this team to excell. Great coaches mold great teams. We may not win every game but if I was scouting this team as an opponent I would start my report this way > If they were half as good on offense as they are on defense they would be a handful. Thankfully they’re not and they don’t appear to be making any progress so there are plenty of areas for us to exploit.

by 30yearnole on Jan 29, 2010 9:03 AM EST up reply actions  

My whole mentaility is this

Coach Ham is not a great coach. He is a fantastic recruiter. We get guys our program has no business even making phone calls to. If we fire him for someone who might be a bit better with Xs and Os, we may have a better season, but the future will be bleak. We are not going to sign a top 10 basketball coach. That is just a reality. Maybe one day, if our fans are put in the right place, and then they actually care enough. My friend up in Tally tells me noone goes to the games. That is pathetic. Get butts in the seats, raise the national profile for basketball, then maybe, MAYBE one day we will be able to say “Ham, recruiting isnt enough.” Until then, he is the best we can get.

by Miaminole on Jan 29, 2010 11:23 AM EST reply actions  

i wouldnt say predicated on luck.

I dont really get how you make that assessment from what I said.

by Miaminole on Jan 29, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Well then most things are dependent on luck

If you want to look it at it that way.

I HOPE Jimbo can be a great head coach. I guess that comes down to luck as well.
Maybe we win a national championship too huh?

Based on your interpretation of my statement, then yeah, I would have to agree, that most things require luck. We arent dealing with absolutes here.

by Miaminole on Jan 30, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

No one?

I’ve been to most of the the home games, and while they may not sell out, I’ve seen a pretty good and raucous crowd lately. Especially the GT game.

by clintfsu on Jan 29, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

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