Florida State hires Defensive Ends coach Darin Eliot
This is the final piece of the new Florida State coaching staff assembled by head coach Jimbo Fisher. NoleInsider broke the story and Tharinger.com also has the news. Darin Eliott is 33 years old. You have probably never heard of Eliot, and that is fine. Unless you're a coach, you probably don't follow assistant coaches at small schools. So let's try to get to know coach Eliot.
Darin has been on the staff at Rice for 3 years. Rice is in Houston. He coaches defensive line and is also the Owl's recruiting coordinator. As an aside, Eliot is now the 2nd coach hired by Fisher this off-season to be the recruiting coordinator at his previous school. Rice is a bad football program. That's not really a reflection on Eliot, however, as Rice isn't a football school. They aren't even a basketball school. No, Rice is a baseball school. And the reason they are a baseball school is academics. Rice seriously considered canceling their football program. In addition to their extremely tough academics, rice has very low funding, below average facilities & is located in downtown Houston. They are lucky if they can pull a kid away from U. Houston. It is impossible to get talented kids into Rice. Their academics are better than Vanderbilt, Cal-Berkley, Georgetown, UVA, UCLA, Notre Dame, Michigan, NYU, ETC.
Further, defensive linemen, on average, are by far the dumbest players on the field. When you combine Rice's impossible academic standards with the position Eliot coaches, it's easy to see why he might have trouble getting talented players to come to Rice. My guess is that the very talented and smart players go to Texas and Oklahoma. Then Eliot is forced to pick through the left-overs of Texas Tech, Houston, Texas A&M, Oklahoma State, Arkansas, SMU, TCU, Baylor, most of the Big 12, and pretty much every other school that recruits Texas heavily (including LSU, which I'll get to in a minute). After all those schools take their shot, Eliot can begin to go after his defensive linemen. I think it is safe to assume that after those guys take their turn, what is left is slim pickins. If a talented player hasn't been picked up by one of those 9+ schools, I'd venture to guess that his talent is probably negated by questionable, at best, academics. If those academics are questionable for admission to a Big 12 school, they aren't even considered at a place like Rice. Eliot has to start with kids who can qualify, and after the other schools have gone through their choices, the kids who can get into Rice are not going to be very talented, particularly along the defensive line, where Eliot may have to reach really far to find kids who can qualify for Rice. In the end, Rice ends up sacrificing talent, because they will not compromise on academics.
So why then, did Fisher choose Eliot? My guess is that he came highly recommended. Fisher knows a lot of coaches, particularly defensive coaches, through his experience with Nick Saban. He is close personal friends with Texas DC Will Muschamp. They share a vacation home together. My guess is that Will Muschamp probably ran up against Eliot on the recruiting trail and thought "Are you kidding me? Rice? This guy might steal one of my recruits to Rice?", and came away impressed. I'm sure Fisher asked Muschamp to ask around as well and got the good word on Eliot.
But certainly there is more than just that. Eliot worked as the linebackers coach at Tulsa, producing the conference player of the year and two other All-conference USA performers, in just a single season (2006). But before that, he was at Miami. And that is important for a few reasons. The first of which is that Florida State's new defensive coordinator Mark Stoops was at Miami during the same time. Eliot was Stoop's grad assistant for a year under Mark Stoops. That story is similar to that of one of FSU's most highly regarded coaches, James Coley, who was under Fisher for a year during that time as well. Both were relatively unknowns when hired and FSU cans can only hope that Eliot is as good as Coley. But back to the Stoops issue, if I may. I believe that Stoops suggested Eliot because he was impressed with him during their time at Miami, and then Fisher asked his people about Eliot. Fisher got good reviews on him, and paired with Stoops reviews, whom Fisher obviously trusts, the selection was made. Not to show blind loyalty to Fisher, but all of his hires to date have been nothing short of tremendous. If the head coach and defensive coordinator both like the candidate, and they have a good track record of hiring other coaches, and there is no reason to expect that the hires are being done to help out friends (as was thought to have happened under the previous administration), then I have little reason to doubt the hire. Fisher and company don't have the luxury that Bowden had. They cannot be complacent and must hire the best possible coaches. They have the money and support of the university to do so and there is no reason to suspect that they would not act in their best interests.
As for his experience, he has coached defensive line for 3 years, and has coached linebackers for 3 years. Linebacker experience is relevant for a defensive ends coach, just as defensive ends coaching experience of relevant for a linebackers coach because the positions have a ton of similarities and are often interchangeable, depending on scheme. He also played linebacker in college. He also has experience coaching defensive backs. That is important as well because FSU's defensive backs coach is also its defensive coordinator (Mark Stoops). When Stoops is addressing the defense as a whole or a position other than DB's, Eliot can assist with the DB's if asked, while defensive tackle coach Odell Haggins instructs the entire defensive line for a drill or two (some drills equally benefit ends and tackles).
This is a huge upgrade over the departed Jody Allen, who was one of the worst coaches in the country. The players did not like him and some thought he was racist. Allen was a great example of a poor Bowden hire, as he had zero experience coaching defensive ends or defense before he was hired. To say that Eliot is an upgrade is an understatement. Eliot also has experience with special teams, and while he won't be the special teams coordinator, he will likely assist with that function if asked.
Back to this James Coley comparison for a minute. Coley was an unknown when he came to FSU just two years ago and is now one of the most highly thought of coaches in the country. Coley has coached in college for 5 years, Eliot for 6. Coley came from Florida International, Eliot from Rice. Coley was highly regarded by those Fisher trusted in the coaching profession and had experience working with someone currently on staff. Coley was 34 when hired two years ago, Eliot is 33. Both were recruiting coordinators and relentless recruiters. I could draw more comparisons, but you get the point.
We have a few guys who are somewhat connected in Texas and they weighed in with their thoughts. First is reader "FSU"
This is a very solid hire. Elliot worked for a good recruiter/program manager in David Bailiff. I suspect he'll be in involved in recruiting New Orleans/LA as well. Not a Stoops disciple (one year together) but some one who Stoops is familiar with and therefore knows what he likes, and Stoops knows what he is like. He's a younger coach, who probably isn't going anywhere so there will be continuity in staff. I have met him before in TX ... Very personable guy and will relate to parents/kids well.
If there's a negative here, it's that he can't really sell any known stars he's produced from Tulsa or Houston or Rice to recruits. He can say he worked with Ed Reed, Shaun Taylor, and Mike Rumph- all of Miami. Some people also believe FSU could have done better by hiring ECU's Vernon Hargreaves, former Tennessee DL coach Steve Caldwell (who looks to be taking the Arkansas Defensive Coordinator job), or Rick Minter. My guess, and this is pure speculation, is that if FSU wanted Hargreaves, they'd have him, given that Stoops and LB coach Greg Hudson have a ton of experience with Hargreaves, and could have given him a substantial raise. I do not know if FSU went after Vernon nor if they did and were rebuffed. I do know that this is a promising young coach with an impressive track record. And I know that if he is joining Fisher's staff that he is going to put in 80-hour work weeks and will be able to recruit.
Finally, from a schematic standpoint, Eliot's defensive ends were 265 and 260lbs. They totaled 124 tackles, 21 TFL and 11 sacks, which on a team like Rice was extremely productive. That is encouraging and could signal that he is able to coach large ends, something Fisher is demanding in no uncertain terms. The days of FSU playing 245lb defensive ends are over. His line was also hit hard by graduation following Rice's miracle 2008 season, and in 2009, amongst the top six DEs, three were fresh out of high school, including the 2nd and 3rd team at one spot. Of the interior line spots, there was one senior and the rest were freshmen and sophomores.
While the most unproven of the new hires, Eliot has some things going for him and FSU fans are excited to see what he can do with a lot of under-achieving talent. The first step is to reverse the trash coaching they received from the departed Allen.
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Good stuff Bud, thanks for the info
Love the Coley comparison. All coaches had to get a break somewhere, maybe this will be Darin’s.
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Jan 5, 2010 11:46 AM EST reply actions
Bud, I'm really happy for your Coley comparison and Im'ma gonna let you finish...
…but Coley worked in the NFL for a year as an offensive assistant for the Dolphins under Nick Saban, one the greatest coaches of all time! I’m just sayin’….
/Kanye’d
Says on rivals that Holmes Onwukaife had an offer from in-state Rice.
I wonder if there is a connection between Elliot and Onwukaife.
SCALP 'EM SEMINOLES!
Also, Eric Humphrey (DT from Texas) has official visits set up to Wake Forest on the 15th.
and Colorado on the 22nd. I wonder if FSU is now more interested, and if he would be willing to come in for a visit.
SCALP 'EM SEMINOLES!
Would LOVE to land Humphrey
maybe this hire will help.
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Jan 5, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Viloria from SMU is the frontrunner
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Jan 5, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Akuna will visit FSU!
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
It's now being reported that Eliot
will assume the role of recruiting coordinator for FSU.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Jan 5, 2010 11:51 AM EST reply actions
Interesting how dubious Warchant sounds
Seems this hire caught DotCom off guard. He sounds suspicious in his article.
http://s825.photobucket.com/albums/zz178/unclefestus/
I'm pretty sure
this hire caught everyone off guard…
Dot Com
is a tool. He’ll ban his own mother
by FEARTHESPEAR! on Jan 5, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
I did you all a favor
And made my in depth 4 paragraph article about the hire free information. And this is what I get in return. If I was on WC right now, I would see posts like "DOT COM THANK YOU!!!!! Please make a winky face at me!!! Please say "holy crap " again because it was so UNLIKE you to do such a thing!!".
Instead on here I get trashed for providing a service. A FREE service which I happen to charge people money for. I could donate that money to cancer or the homeless but I don’t. I purchanse BanHammers and wield them like an Iranian discovering plutonium for the first time. Don’t judge me for it.
Reading my posts is a privilege and I will ban anyone who disagrees with me from the Internet for life.
by DOT COM on Jan 5, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dot Com
with all due respect, you, Chris Nee (whom i’ve met), and others run things like a bunch of Nazi’s over at WC. That’s why so many of your former readers and subscribers are now on TN & Nole Digest. You can’t treat people the way you do and expect everyone to think you’re such a great guy. I’ve heard hundreds of posters from various sites (all FSU people) that you banned or suspended for reasons that you wouldn’t even put a Kindergaten student in a timeout for. Start treating people like people and you’ll get respect from me and everyone else on this site and your own. Until then, you will continue to have defectors and you & your site will continue to lose revenue. Hopefully your ego will allow you take this as constructive criticism and improve yourself and your site. I used to be an avid poster on WC (and a paid subscriber), but I left it for the reasons mentioned above. Good luck to you.
by FEARTHESPEAR! on Jan 5, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Uh...
You realize that’s not the real Dot Com/Gene Williams, right?
FEARTHESPEAR!
In your prior post, you referrred to me as a “tool”. For that MASSIVE OFFENSE, I am having your IP tracked and will have you banished from the entire Internet by 2:30 this AM. Say goodby to your Facebook friends and sell your Blackberry. 3G coverage will not be an issue for you anymore.
Reading my posts is a privilege and I will ban anyone who disagrees with me from the Internet for life.
by DOT COM on Jan 5, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Tomahawk Nation:
The gold standard for FSU humor.
lmao!
now that was funny! A sense of humor…that’s what I want to see Dot :) Anybody need a Blackberry Tour??? Barely used ;)~
by FEARTHESPEAR! on Jan 5, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Wow..apparently you think I'm kidding.
I guess you won’t be laughing when Thomas Briggs shows up at your doorstep PER MY COMMAND at 8:35 PM ETA tonight. Then let’s see how you react.
Reading my posts is a privilege and I will ban anyone who disagrees with me from the Internet for life.
by DOT COM on Jan 5, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thomas "The Tank Engine" Briggs...
red rover red rover send Thomas on over! I have a new nickname for you….“TEFLON DOT” (Nothing Sticks), I find it fairly appropriate don’t you? I feel like Peter Griffin from Family Guy when he was being threatened by mobster “Fat Paulie” Love you too sweetie :)
by FEARTHESPEAR! on Jan 5, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Just standing outside Warchant.com HQ and overheard Dot shouting
“l want you to get this %#@* where he breathes! l want FearTheSpear dead! l want his computer dead! His house burnt to the ground! l want to piss on his ashes!”
Then he whacked somebody on his staff with a Mike Martin autographed Louisville Slugger and they cried. I got the impression that this happens a lot over there.
http://s825.photobucket.com/albums/zz178/unclefestus/
Is that the ruckus I heard?
Won’t do him any good to piss on my ashes though…when I die I kinda just vanish like an jedi in a star wars flick (think Yoda).
Coincidentally…my computer just crashed, my blackberry has no service, and my office just spontaneously combusted…..I was impressed.
by FEARTHESPEAR! on Jan 5, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
This is outstanding
Rec’ing the hell outta this one!!!
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Jan 5, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
nah man
i’m already sleeping with the fishes
by FEARTHESPEAR! on Jan 5, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
don't be like me boys
I wasted years on warchant. to much negative stuff and way too many gators. I’m all about the positive. I’ve been a fairly big booster during this entire down time and oull for FSU in the good times and the bad. This site is great because people are positive, intelligent, and the info is very relevant. I feel like i’ve met more good psters here in a month than I did in years before on other sites. I was just having a little fun with the warchant crew (although there was definitely a lot of truth to what I was suggesting). Regardless we are our NOLES and that’s all I care about in the end.
by FEARTHESPEAR! on Jan 5, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
dot com
he is a terrible person, and worst publisher, and absolutely the worst humanitarian.
I dont know how he finds the gaul to come here and annoy those of us looking to escape him
Mr. Seminole
Log into Eharmony and tell your E Lovers goodbye. I am locating your IP and pulling your access to the Internet FOR LIFE. I will also do a fingerprint scan and ban your gentle fingers from caressing a keyboard ever again. Yes, that means no Internet Cafe access. Say goodbye to reading the newspaper because by 11:35AM tomorrow morning I will have banned you from reading the printed word entirely.
Reading my posts is a privilege and I will ban anyone who disagrees with me from the Internet for life.
by DOT COM on Jan 5, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I read this same thing....
that Eliot will assume the recruiting coordinator role. Here was my response on another site I participate in:
But with Eliot being, for the most part and unknown quantity, and with Coley’s recruiting stock through the roof, is it too soon to promote him to OC and let things in the hands of Eliot?
I would have liked to see Eliot come in and land a few high profile commits between now and 2011, adjust to the culture and get acquainted with life in Tallahassee, then maybe give him those responsibilities and promote Coley. Again, not saying this is the “wrong” decision, just saying this could be viewed as Fisher’s first questionable move.
For the sake of clarification.....
I’m not saying the hire is questionable, but the move to place Coley in the OC position and hand the reigns, of what is shaping up to be, one of the very best recruiting classes in the country…..bar none, to Eliot?
Here's my take:
The first person I actually thought about when Urban Meyer initially announced his resignation? James Coley.
We praise him for how dedicated he is and how hard he works, but James has a wife and a family. He can’t possibly keep up this pace forever nor is it fair for us to expect him to.
I think the days of having a single “recruiting coordinator” might be coming to an end. Why not split those duties up between Gran, Craig, Eliot, and Coley? They all seem to be capable. Bob LaCivita should be doing some of this work anyway.
I think, by the same token, we’ll see Gran, Craig, Eliot, and Hudson have a hand in special teams coaching as well.
All of Fisher's hire's.....
….are husbands, fathers, and seem to have strong foundation in their faith. Not so sure about Eliot and Coley though. I think we’ll be seeing much more cohesiveness amongst our staff in a number of areas and I do think that next season’s class will be a group effort.
But I’m not sure we can expect Eliot to hold the position much longer than Coley if he demonstrates similar work ethic because he is in a very similar situation to Coley when he assumed the position.
However, Eliot is in a prime position, because like I mentioned somewhere else, he’ll be given a few years to cut his teeth and prove his worth. Then in 2013-2014 I could see another program come call for Stoops if he has success.
We could then see the succession plan that Fisher has laid out so methodically turn our program into the “process” or machine that he alluded too. Stoops goes, Hudson moves into the DC role and Eliot moves into the secondary or DE role full time and loses the title Recruiting Coordinator.
Sure, maybe a bit far fetched but IMO, makes perfect sense.
That's what I like, what looks like a long term cohesive staff...
which it looks like it could be; other than Stoops, I don’t see anyone really looking to move on anytime soon.
The only relationship I have any worry about is Stoops and Hudson, being that Hudson will have been a DC and a decent one at that, if they get along well or clash because of that, I would assume Hudson knew the situation when he took the job and the opportunity it presented if/when Stoops moves on and sure the nice pay raise will help ease any reservations.
I wouldn’t worry about fights amongst this coaching staff. Hudson knows the score coming in. He’s certainly lower on the totem pole than Stoops. I also don’t forsee any coaches making a power play. I just don’t see that sort of thing happening because none of the coaches strike me as that dumb and I highly doubt Fisher will let that sort of thing persist, especially after the last few years.
Source: There is an alleged rumor that Stoops and Hudson both had layovers in Atlanta and after a few drinks in the Delta Crown Room,
Hudson sucker punched Stoops because he felt that as the Associate Head Coach he should be the one addressing the defensive players before the games.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
when will the ginger on ginger violence end?
ok im done with ginger jokes
"Don't flinch, let's kill a fly with an Axe."
Coley has a deep rooted religion based around Cuban Coffee, do not question his faith
"Don't flinch, let's kill a fly with an Axe."
taking this a step further
I think there are enough stud recruiters on board so that if the recruiting begins to slip in the slightest bit, they will recognize and help fix the problem.
Plus recruiting is still largely a collaborative effort (when the right staff is in place). “Recruiting Coordinator” in this case probably means “handle all our b!tch work for the luxury of not coaching at Rice anymore.”
The last couple years we NEEDED Coley to suceed because we had no alternative. At this point we can groom a green coach and trust there are enough intelligent minds to pick up the slack if he makes a few missteps.
by Mr. Tito Carlos on Jan 5, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
This is what I’m thinking too. With a full staff and one full of solid to great recruiters Eliot shouldn’t have to run around like a mad man like Coley does.
I would assume
Eliot doesn’t take the reigns for recruiting coordination until after NSD. Although maybe Coley finishes up the 2010 class, while Eliot starts immediately taking over for 2011 and beyond.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Jan 5, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
This makes sense.
I would absolutely love for this to be the case. I always for some reason think that we were always a step behind on the recruiting trail and had to play catch up. I also never thought we did a tremendous job of succession planning and predicting our personnel losses. But that may just be me looking from the outside in.
For once though, I wouldn’t mind seeing us out in front for the 2011 Class.
I can see him shadowing Coley until after NSD...
Let Coley show him how a recruiting coordinator at our level is a little different than at Rice; good thing is he obviously knows the concepts of being an RC.
Now son, get me a Cuban Coffee….
Doesn't mean
that Coley wont bring the same intensity next year as OC. But there will be more coaches out there to actually do the work. I look for Coley to still bring in top flight talent but will have a much better supporting cast he can rely on.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
Intensity is what Coley is.
His intensity level won’t be going anywhere IMO, he’ll be bringing the thunder each and every year until he builds his resume and gets his chance to call the shots.
By God Let Coley Be Coley!
He can hand over the coordination and administration to Eliot and focus on the dark arts of recruiting
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When are all the coaches officially starting?
I know Jimbo is officialy introduced tomrrow morning, are all the coaches official now and can start recruiting, etc?
Yesterday marked the end of the dead and quiet period.
Coaches have until the 9th to contact players. I’d imagine whoever is officially on staff is on the road.
SCALP 'EM SEMINOLES!
As a Houstonian myself
When you say Rice is an Academic school, you are not lying!!! Unless you’re in the top 1-5% of your class you’re not getting in. You’re also right about sports, its a baseball school!!! Though they had a few good years about 3-4 years ago, they’ve been on the decline since Sumlin took over at UH.
Great Hire
With Coley, Gran, Stoops and now Eliot it sure looks like Jimbo & Co are intent on taking control of the State of Miami.
I also love the continued connection to the Saban family. The better FSU is, the worse UF is and the better Bama will be.
Also, one edit:
They aren’t even a baseball school. No, Rice is a baseball school.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 5, 2010 12:04 PM EST reply actions
Hell they have at least on a national title in BBall
And been to the CWS more times in the last so many years…
Drake at thaRinger had this to say:
“Love the hire. High school coaches in Texas absolutely love Elliot and he will be a Bo Davis type recruiter in that region, IMO. Also a hard worker that puts in the time.”
Agree.
I hope that the reputations that precede all of these coaches on the recruiting trail, as coaches on the football field, and their upstanding character begins to translate to success in all aspects of our program.
In all honesty, Fisher is positioning this staff to outwork each and every staff throughout the country for the next 3-4 years at the very least. Bye bye to the non-contested Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Texas, and Louisiana recruits who commit to the power-houses in each state traditionally.
From what I’m hearing about the talent coming out of Louisiana next recruiting cycle, I will venture out on a limb and say that we claim a few top prospects from each of these recruiting hotbeds. Which under the previous regime, or under what we as FSU Fans have become accustomed too, with regards to effort, on the recruiting trail, would normally commit to one of the SEC or Big 12 powers in those regions.
Again, this firms up my belief that we’re positioning ourselves to recruit was has been traditionally considered SEC Talent on both sides of the ball.
at least hes not a ginger
"Don't flinch, let's kill a fly with an Axe."
by NorFla_Nole on Jan 5, 2010 12:08 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
I really like the hire, this guy is going to be a great evaluater of talent. When you are always picking last you develop and Eye for spotting guys that might not flash all the time they just go about there business. Now that he is in a position to get that elite talent, better believe he will be evaluating just as hard and we wont miss nearly as much.
by 21nole24 on Jan 5, 2010 12:25 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
when i heard the news last night and read his bio, James Coley was the first thought that poped in my head
Other than who the hell is Darin Elliot. plus the fact that he much like Coley had to be a great evaluator of talent because he was probably always looking for hidden gems and guys flying under the radar. For some reason the only hire thus far that I wasn’t complety jazzed about was Stoops but I wouldn’t consider myself dissapointed by that hire either.
Nice description, Bud
A couple more edits if I may:
“Rice seriously considered canceling their football program. In addition to their extremely tough academics, Rice has very low funding, below average facilities & and is located in downtown Houston.”
“Both were relatively unknowns when hired and FSU cans can only hope that Elliot is as good as Coley.”
“He can say he worked with Ed Reed, Shaun Taylor, Ed Reed, and Mike Rumph.”
…unless of course there are two Ed Reeds from Miami, in which case WHY HAVEN’T WE SIGNED THE SECOND ONE YET.
Don’t mean to correct as your posts are usually very well-written – it just felt like you wrote that at 5 mph while your brain was going 20 mph. :)
J
much appreciated. I was trying to clear it quickly.
I always appreciate the help- and that goes for everyone. I find I often make mistakes when I write these from my phone.
None of us have asked the most important question.
I don’t care if he can coach. I don’t care if he can recruit.
If he is going to be our recruiting coordinator…. CAN HE TWEET?
by MattDNole on Jan 5, 2010 1:04 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Coley should run a workshop for all incoming coaches on Tweeting
On that note, It would be interesting to see what Trickett’s Twitter page looked like… I don’t know why, but I think it would read like Sgt. Hulka quotes from Stripes…
Sergeant Hulka: When I tell you move, you’ll move fast. When I tell you to jump, you’re gonna say, “How high?” And make no mistake. I don’t care where you come from, I don’t care what color you are, I don’t care how smart you are, I don’t care how dumb you are, ‘cause I’m gonna teach every last one of you how to eat, sleep, walk, talk, shoot, shit like a United States soldier. Understand?
Classic!
literally, LMAO….that is classic.
Our bestest buddy and big toe, Coach Trickett.
nm
"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." Jack Handy
by PeachTreeNole on Jan 5, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
LOL! Too bad Chuckie isn't still around. He could be Cruiser!
http://s825.photobucket.com/albums/zz178/unclefestus/
I wanna party with you, cowboy!
The best monologue in any movie, ever.
"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." Jack Handy
by PeachTreeNole on Jan 5, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
But now I know why I have always lost women to guys like you...
I mean…it’s not just the uniform. Its the stories that you tell…
We'll just put an asterisk after dumb
Boy that guy sure is dumb*.
*This term is based on performance in modern scholastic testing standards and does not reflect on all aspects of this persons potential intelligence, his ability to function as a productive member of society and in no way is meant to slander or otherwise harm his character."
On the one hand, I see your point. On the other, I think you’re tilting at windmills. Good luck!
by GonzoNole on Jan 6, 2010 9:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
HEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!
“Further, defensive linemen, on average, are by far the dumbest players on the field.”
WTF man!! I play DL and I am ALWAYS one of the smartest & most well-informed players on the field….
(then again, I have an IQ disproportionate to my position, lol)
>:(
Oderint Dum Metuant
I hate the whole statement
Offensive Linemen are, “on average”, are BY FAR the dumbest players on the field:
They get told exactly where to to, when to go, and what to do……………and they still f**** it up. Furthermore, they seem to be completely incapable of doing their job without CHEATING holding….
Oderint Dum Metuant
i was under the impression that you need to have some smarts to play OL
memorizing assignments, audibles, plays etc….no?
"Don't flinch, let's kill a fly with an Axe."
Thank you for making my point NoleLaw
Then again……….I’m admittedly biased against O-Linemen, lol.
Oderint Dum Metuant
When I was just a tiny tike...
Abouth 5th or 6th grade I lpayed OL & DL. The OL kids did not have the ability to change the snap count. We always had to go on two. If we tried to change it to three, the other 4 guys would take off on two. Change it to one hut and they got creamed b/c they were waiting on two. I played Center a bit, so maybe I was concentrating on the snap count more.
On D we didn’t even have to remember snap counts—just watch the ball and go when it moves.
I think Darnell Dockett skewed the average..
nm
"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." Jack Handy
by PeachTreeNole on Jan 5, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
R-u-s-s-o
Do not denigrate my Italian lineage with typos, kind sir…. :D
Admittedly, I am the only DL in my League (18 teams) that TiVo’s Jeopardy………..come to think of it—I’m pretty sure I’m the only player regardless of position who does that.
Back on topic—the more I read into this hire, the more I like it (not surprisingly). The next move Jimbo makes that I don’t like will be his 1st…..
::fingers crossed for Vic Viloria::
Oderint Dum Metuant
I'm with ya DRusso
I played DL (back in the day) and was right there with our PK as one the smartest on the field (and definitely the biggest smart ass). While I realize that playing DL isn’t rocket science, you’d better use your brain if you are going to play DT at 230 lbs. I’ll be the first to admit that FSU didn’t miss out on my talent :-), but I do feel like I held my own for being undersized at the position. Lesson one, if you let a bigger offensive lineman get to your legs…you’re done! You hear me Thacker?!
by mountain renegade on Jan 5, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
This website
is the best ever!!! War? Chant? What??? This site rocks!
by FEARTHESPEAR! on Jan 5, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Another great thing going for this website, no posts from Gaytors
Let’s hope this remains the same.
They stop by every once in a while
But are usually illogical and get blown out of the water with analysis and statistics
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
Tremendous Article
Well informed content with insight and reasoning.
Great Article!
Great job Bud
Elliot is what we need. A young, hungry coach who is going to kill it in order to prove himself. He will do what he is told and not be a nuissance on Staff.
by Nolebra Kai on Jan 5, 2010 1:58 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Dude you just blew my mind right there.
Are we sure FSUn’s broken computer is the reason we hadn’t heard from him in a while?
The question would then be
Who do we fire to make room for our co-recruiting coordinators SWFL and SOM?
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We had these thought through a while back....
But with the new staff members, maybe it’s time to re-evaluate our “TNation writers as FSU coaches” list.
SOM called dibs on Coley before I had the chance. So I guess SOM and SWFL would be Coley and Gran respectively.
I'll go with Randy Oravetz...or maybe Sam Lunt would be more appropriate. But they're not really coaches...so take it for what it's worth.
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Dibs on Clint Purvis!!!!!
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Jan 5, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
Truenole87 said this in the fanshot.
“Because even at Rice In a state that is dominated by much bigger Big12 schools when it comes to recruiting and resources, His starting 2 DE’s were able to secure more sacks than all of ours combined.
His starting DE’s, who stand at 6’3 265 and 6’2 260, totaled 124 tackles, 21 TFL and 11 sacks.
Both of these guys led the team in sacks by a large margin. They also led the team in TFL with 10.5 a piece.
Solomon- 63 tackles, 10.5 TFL, 6.5 sacks
Ozougwu- 61 tackles, 10.5 TFL, 4.5 sacks"
I think that speaks volumes.
You have to put that into context
Their defense as a unit had 1 sack combined against TT, Ok. St., Navy, ECU and Houston. The rest of their 20 team sacks came against the likes of UAB, Vandy, Tulsa, UCF, SMU, Tulane and UTEP.
So to say they are better because they had more sacks than FSU is unfair.
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
You're putting his opponents in context without putting Rice in context.
Obviously he would be recruiting far superior athletes to FSU. So what his “Rice guys” do against UAB, Vandy, Tulsa is the better predictor of what his “FSU guys” might do against Clemson, NC State, Miami.
arrdub
What is it about FSU that just makes you want to jump up in the air and kick your heels together?
LOL are you Jeff?
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
So do you think he's just coaching DE's...
or more of a collective between him and Odell for the whole line? Seems like with his variety of experience on the D side he could help out anywhere if need be.
I know Bama’s D-line coach isn’t much more experienced and look where they’re sitting.
I think with Eliot being the RC as well
Eliot is more of a general assistant to the defense. When the rules don’t allow him to be out recruiting, he’ll probably spend most his time with the DEs, but may assist elsewhere as well.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Jan 5, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
im sold if jimbo is sold
he knows our d_line was our weak point, and he wouldnt have retained odell and hire an average joe if he didnt think they were the solution, and further more when its all said in done we might have the best recruiting tandem in the nation with fisher, coley, gran, haggins ect. I just look at this decision like fisher in one month has made more positives strides than the previous coaches have in the previous 7-8 years. IN JIMBO I TRUST lol.
"theres two types of people in this world, those who CARRY a spear and those who FEAR the spear"-James Coley
eric humphry
do we have any chance with him with the hiring of eliot?
There's an old saying "If there's grass in the field, it's alright to play ball."
I don’t think it was intended to apply to recruitng, but Eliot is our grass in the field.
Eliot is a tireless recruiter with a great work ethic. He Had to drop the other "L" in his name...
because he doesn’t have time for that crap.
by Dent Street Nole on Jan 5, 2010 4:18 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Let me start by saying I have no problem with the hire.
That being said, it doesn’t make much of a splash…I mean, We are FSU. The team that was going to take Smart from Bama, Foster from VT, Take one of many NFL coaches, and we get a guy from…
Wait for it…
Rice…….LOL
You're right
I have to go back and look at that article on all the big coaches Jimbo might hire once he was the HC because I remember being really excited about all the experienced big names we were tossing around. But even then I think we are forming a talented solid coaching staff.
Three things factor in his hire
A. He’s from Texas and expands recruiting knowledge and strength
2. He comes highly recommended by Coach Fisher’s associates
D. He is young, relatively unknown and will have longevity on the staff. This is particularly important for our future recruiting coordinator. A flashy hire whose name is on everyone’s lips will not staying long anywhere.
Overall, it’s a good mix of known quantities and young guns. The thing all of them have in common is that they all can recruit.
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it remains to be seen but...
i would rather make a good hire than a flashy hire
by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Jan 5, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Smart and/or Foster
were going be limited position coaches? An NFL guy was going to be a college recruiting coordinator?
I’m not following the snark.
"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." Jack Handy
Not a snark? I just found it humorous...(Don't take it the wrong way)
Obviously Smart/Foster weren’t going to be position coaches (Apples to Apples, DC to DC, Position coach to position coach)
Many wanted Jones (NFL) for the DE coach, or D-line.
I was just stating that a month ago many were believing that we could pull the DC from the Best defense in college football. It seems like a pretty safe assumption that we would be equally confident in pulling one of the top DE coaches, or at least, one of the best in the biz.
I will restate this again..I have no problem with this hire.
You know you're old when there are coaches younger than you are
as Eliot is a year younger than I am.
But to put this in perspective, I’ve been saying I’m old since the day I turned 20, b/c I was entering my 3rd decade of life at that point. :)
One of my favourite lines I used was saying: “I’m so old that the ‘d’ graduated to an ‘e’ and I’m no longer ‘old’ but am not just ‘ole’!” :)
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
I love having 2 guys on staff (in Gran and Eliot) who've run ST units
that way we can run both side of the same drill at the same time.
eg. When Gran is concentrating on the KO return unit, Eliot can help with the KO coverage unit and vice versa.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
Good article, maybe a good hire for Fisher?
Eliot seems like a good coach, its hard to find stats about his work, ESPN only has offensive stats. Maybe it could be to expand the recruiting map and have a guy that could recruit in Texas? I was surprised though that the D-line coach of TCU has not been mentioned. Hope Elam doesn’t change his mind
lets wait and see
I hope it works out. I trust Jimbo to put the pieces of the championship puzzle together. This guy has the benefit of following one of the worst positons coaches in the history of college football. Nowhere to go but up
by 3rdandManageable(VicVanBuren) on Jan 5, 2010 7:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
He's a good hire
Believe it or not, this guy really can recruit. Rice has refined their recruiting pitch over the past 4-5 years and has found something that is working for them (keep some perspective here). In the past few years, the overall talent level at Rice has increased a lot, even if the record does not show it. I have seen Rice play about six times over the past couple years, and they are much better talent wise than they used to be. This is a direct reflection on Eliot.
Plus, if were are going to be more multiple on defense next year, Eliot may really be more of an outside linebacker/ends coach, which he is probably very well qualified to do based on his playing and coaching experience.
And for what it’s worth, D-linemen are total dummies. All they have to do is what their linebackers tell them to do.
Foosball is the devil
Will Rice be our cupcake on the schedule in 2011?
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WTF!!!!
“And for what it’s worth, D-linemen are total dummies. All they have to do is what their linebackers tell them to do.”
I feel like smacking somebody right now….
Not saying it’s you, but somebody.
Oderint Dum Metuant
That's a D-lineman for ya
Always wanting to hit someone and solve things through violence :)
Foosball is the devil
Great Article but...
I don’t agree with the writer’s generalization that Defensive Linemen are, “by far the dumbest players on the field.” I wouldn’t have made the argument but believe the point could have been better-made without the slur. All because a player doesn’t have the particular skill-set required to perform well in standardized testing, doesn’t make him dumb. People with world class common sense or who learn best by other methods, may still struggle in the classroom or in understanding complicated tactics on the football field. Unlike other positions, where classroom aptitude better-translates to a player’s grasp of his position’s nuances, the straightforward approach to D-line play requires little other than football instincts and a search-and-destroy mentality. Could it be that extremely gifted players at other positions are eliminated in high school from their inability to understand their complicated schemes and assignments? Obtaining a college education is not for everyone, but we expect ALL our student-athletes (especially the 5*’s) to qualify and stay in school. Let’s respect the God-given gifts and talents of each young man, and refrain from calling any of them "dumb."
Only one way to settle this
Mythbuster style testing. Are Dlinemen really the dumbest players on the field? We could do a bunch of control testing from general IQ to everyday common sense questions, pattern recognition and other to prove once and for all if defensive lineman are truly dumber than their football peers in other positions.
But then...
It would make it even more interesting because we would have to determine if they are either a) naturally dumb b) they got dumb from the repeated helmet to helmet hits to the head which is = to or worse then repeatedly banging your head to the wall with a helmet or c)it might be that the players who become defensive linemen are the only players dumb enough to voluntarily choose to be defensive lineman. Which would take us back to step one.
Please look at the facts
and not turn this into a politically correct “test legitimacy” argument. All the players take the same tests. Dlinemen fail out more often than any other position and they fail to qualify at a higher rate than any other.
While I find your idea about the complicated scheme issue, but I think it massively overstates the complexity of high-school schemes and doesn’t account for a high school coach’s willingness to change what he does to accommodate a great athlete (which he will do).
Obviously, You Didn't Understand...
What I said is that it was unfair to call someone “Dumb” based upon academic test score performance. It is a proven fact that everyone learns differently, and to call someone “dumb” because they may not perform at a high level in the classroom is shortsighted.
Ok, well if you don’t measure “dumb” based on test scores or classroom performance, then what do you want to use to measure?
I don’t care if everyone learns differently. I care about getting kids into school, and the comment was clearly in relation to that concept.
More on Your "Dumb" Comment
In case you didn’t see my comment on an ealier post:
“For a site that prides itself in not offending, calling a group of players "dumb" is lazy journalism and inconsiderate. I’ve personally been publically warned (rightly so) by this author for using inappropriate language. I’m just asking him to hold himself to the same standard.”
Wait... a site that "prides itself in not offending"
Umm… have you ever read anything Frank or I have ever written?
Yikes.
It sounds like you're arguing that D-linemen as a whole learn differently than every other position.
Give it a rest. If you’re using consistent standards to judge “intelligence”, there’s nothing wrong with what he said.
Selgy
The Author was Wrong. He Knows it, and You Know It
I don’t concur with the author’s assertion that D-linemen are "by far the dumbest players on the field," but if you want to defend his use of “Dumb,” that fine. I believe his comments were, at the least, in poor taste, and may be taken as inflammatory and racist, by some. I’ll “give it a rest,” but I don’t think it’s “nit-picky” to demand the author to hold himself to the same high standard he holds other posters to on TN. No mainstreet paper would have run it, or boardroom tolerated it…For example, he could have conveyed the same thought while being less offensive by saying something like, “D-linemen, as a group, are harder to qualify,” without getting into calling a group of people “dumb.”
I don't see anything racist
about his comment. I don’t agree with it and never even heard of defensive lineman somehow being dummer then other football positions but there’s nothing racist about it.
Budd Thacker called me because he is really pissed off at you, so I gave him your home address.
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DE Mario Willams Smartest Man on this Site
yea but…$21 million in GUARANTEED Compensation says,“1st Round Draft Pick DE Mario Williams is REAL SMART.”
Read Your Own Article Again Pls
This statement was made to refute your statement that, “all D-linemen” are dumb
he didn't say all are, he said that DLs as a group are comprised of more idiots than any other position
in the context of explaining why it is hard to recruit DLs for rice, which would look to the std test scores you are bitchin about.
we know what FSUn was talking about, so enough of the knit picking about the truth
Yea, We All Know...Wink, Wink
The writer made an excellent point on how Rice’s high academic standards eliminates many athletes from contention (although ALL the US Academies have higher standards than Rice and recruit good D-linemen). However, he failed to show how his assertion that D-line (OK, “on average” ) are “by far the dumbest players on the field,” when there are many ways to define and catagorize intelligence. For a site that prides itself in not offending, calling a group of players “dumb” is lazy journalism and inconsiderate. I’ve personally been publically warned (rightly so) by this author for using inappropriate language. I’m just asking him to hold himself to the same standard.
the Acadamies do not have higher standards than rice!
by garnetandgold on Jan 6, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
20 Most Selective Colleges & Universities
Here’s the link.
http://collegeapps.about.com/od/collegerankings/tp/most-selective-colleges.01.htm
Now don’t get me wrong, they don’t call Rice an “Ivy League School of the South” for nothing. Anybody that can coach with those restriction and Rice’s lack of football tradition, is doing something. Hats off to Coach Eliot. Their admission requirements are stout and are as restrictive as the author stated. However, SAT scores are only one factor colleges use to admit.
The Naval Academy is the 9th Most Selective College in the US with a stingy 11.8% Acceptence Rate (about twice as selective as Rice which has an Acceptance Rate of 23%), placing it as more selective than MIT, Brown, U Penn, Caltech, Swarthmore and many other great schools. The Air Force Academy is 11th at 14%, and West Point’s Acceptance Rate is 15%.
That is about selectivity = applications vs. acceptence.
Military academies acceptence is not only based upon academics, but also physical attributes. My brother went to USAFA. He was rejected from Annopolis due to a hearing deficiency. He was able to get a medical waiver for the hearing problem from the AFA because they wanted him for their soccer team.
I would venture to bet that Rice would not reject anyone for having a slight hearing loss in one ear.
I would look at the number of applicants, with Rice being a private school (high tuition) vs. the academies (which pay you to go to school).
The Academies Have Another HUGE Disadvantage
Sorry for the slow reply…My original reason for comparing the Academies to Rice was to show that a school can still win with tremendous handicaps; strong academic standards are just one factor that could dissuade a recruit. The story line was that Rice’s Coach E was in an impossible environment for winning, hence, the comparison with the Academies. I didn’t want to give a coaching prospect, without proven success on the field, a complete pass just because he came from Rice, or any other school with high-academic standards. From a pure minimum SAT score needed for admissions, you are right…Rice’s SAT’s are higher than the academies’ and any other school they are recruiting against in C-USA. But coaching still makes a huge difference or how could you explain Coach Steve Spurrier winning an ACC title with Duke, when Duke has an even higher SAT requirement than Rice? And Vandy, while they haven’t won a Conference Championship, will occasionally be competitive in the SEC. But the recruiting disadvantage the Academies face is more than just raw academic standards. The biggest Academy disadvantage is that prospects must serve in the US Armed Forces for five (5) years, which feels like an eternity for these young high school kids. No highly-regarded high school athlete, who believes he has a chance for playing at the next level, will want to risk million of dollars and a chance to play in the pros. Most highly-sought players are confident that they have what it takes to make the pros and won’t get within 50 miles of an Academy. I was in Annapolis, Md. over the holidays and saw the Navy’s football stadium for the first time. Let’s just say, I’ve seen more impressive high school facilities…and Navy has been doing more-with-less, ever since they hired good coaching. If the Academies can win, so can Rice.
I'd bet the situations were very different
If you can use a standard system of measurement that proves to you what ever word you want to call a group it is different than getting into an argument on the net and calling someone a jerk.
Also, we are all adults here. Lets get past the “just because it takes someone longer to learn doesn’t make them dumb” way of thinking that parents tell you when you are hung to stop you from picking on others or to make you feel better about school. If you learn faster and have a high GPA we all accept that you are smart. So if you flunk out because you can’t grasp the material the inverse is true.
by osceolafan850 on Jan 6, 2010 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
acadamies
I work with many people who went to USAFA and trust me some of them can get into USAFA and commission as officers in our AF and they are not the brightest crayons in the box. Plus the acadamies have prep schools that many of their atheltes to go before going to the actual acadamy.
I did too
Yea, when I was active duty, I knew two Naval Academy grads that seemed like they were on another planet, but the others seemed sharp as a tack. I also knew a couple of MIT graduates, one who worked for Bell Labs, that seemed like they were from a different planet too. In any case, the Academies still are some of the most selective colleges in the US.
I have to play devil's advocate
What g8r is saying is that you can’t call someone dumb because they’re not book smart. There are a lot of diferent types of smart and some people are extremely intelligent but don’t do good on standarized test. Word test are just for some reason what society has deemed its the way to test people on what they’ve learned but put some of those book smart people that get high scores on written tests and have them take a hands on thinking test on what they’ve learned and a lot will flunk. Does that make them dumb?
Thanks Renegaded, for being true to your namesake
…that is, for going against the grain. I can’t believe you’re the only one who gets it! If what you and I are saying has the possiblity of being true, wouldn’t it be best to stop giving people or groups of people the moniker, “Dumb”?
We can put an asterisk after dumb
Boy that guy sure is dumb*.
*This term is based on performance in modern scholastic testing standards and does not reflect on all aspects of this persons potential intelligence, his ability to function as a productive member of society and in no way is meant to slander or otherwise harm his character."
On the one hand, I see your point. On the other, I think you’re tilting at windmills. Good luck!
for the record i think this whole argument, both sides, is completly dumb
"Don't flinch, let's kill a fly with an Axe."
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Missing the point.
Booksmart is exactly what we’re talking about, because it pertains to being able to make the grades to get in, and stay in…SCHOOL.
We’re not talking about common sense, or the ability to rebuild an engine, or build a house. We’re talking about making grades.
I’ve personally been publically warned (rightly so) by this author for using inappropriate language. I’m just asking him to hold himself to the same standard.
I would venture a bet that the language and contexts are different. If there is some back and forth between bloggers who have different opinions and the dicsussion winds up with the two calling each other names, then one of the moderators will probably give a warning to cut it out and quite possibly delete the thread. That sort of senseless name calling is not productive and is inappropriate.
Saying that a play was stupid or that a coach or player made a dumb mistake or commenting on admissions standards and the ability of players to qualify is quite a different matter. There are no hateful slurs or slander. As with any generlizations, there will be exceptions. Compared to linebackers and DBs, D-linemen in general are not known for their brilliance. That doesn’t mean I think or anyone else thinks that Howie Long, Michael Strahan, Everett Brown, Jacobi McDaniel, or anyone else is dumb or stupid. All of those guys actually made it to a decent school.
Many times I hear lawyers say that other lawyers or judges are stupid. There is nothing racist about such comments. I do not belive they are true do to the high admissions standards at most law schools. Still, some people have that opinion, and there isn’t anything malicious or hateful about such generalizations.
g8r-h8r. I am not going to get sucked into the "how dumb are D-Linemen" debate. Maybe FSUn could have used a phrase like the "less intelligent members of the football team" and have been more PC. That is not why I am posting.
I just wanted to set the record straight on this comment you have made on a couple of occasions in trying to defend your point.
I’ve personally been publically warned (rightly so) by this author for using inappropriate language.
You were not warned for using inappropriate language, which everyone knows is not allowed. You were warned to be respectful to other members when you started your reply to a post by saying
We See You’ve Started Drinking Earlyand FSUn warned you
I know you are new here but treat other posters with respect
There is basically only one rule, other than language, for TN Fight Club, and that is it.
BTW, since I had to scroll through all your other prior comments to find the warning, most have been pretty good. Don’t let a little slap on the hand sour you on TN, even though I understand you are trying to make a point you believe in.
OK, now that I set the record straight, everyone can get back to the silly “dumb vs. less intelligent vs not book smart” argument.
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Thanks Frank
Yea, I had just joined and hadn’t yet read the Community Rules, when I made that comment. I was used to other blogs where that type of comment would be viewed as tame. But after looking at some of the great posts on this site, I gained immediately appreciation for the rules.
Alan Paige
NFL Hall of Fame Defensive Lineman and on The Minnesota Supreme Court.
Just sayin’
What we do in life, echoes in eternity.
if the dl play doesnt improve greatly
they are just dumb.
Freakin joke people.
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He will take the heat off Trickett
At least concerning the moles for signing all those skinny All American lineman
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
Elams gonna be a gator
he says hes making his decision Satruday…damnit. Why would he need to announce if hes already commited? were screwed
Watch how you use the word "all"
When dealing in absolutes, you are almost “always” wrong.
I have played DL since my junior year @ Sarasota Riverview. I was on the all-base team in the Marines, I was All-Conference both years in Junior College, and I got a scholarship to FAMU. Been playing Minor League ball since 2003, with 5 of the 6 seasons I played @ DL (1 season on offense, 1 sat out due to injury). Multiple Championships (League/National), multiple All-Star, 1-time All American/DLOTY.
I have a tested IQ of above 140, highest 158. Not that IQ testing truly measures something so subjective as intelligence, merely the capacity for knowledge, but this is just an illustration of the fallibility of absolutes.
I play DL because I LOVE IT.
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