Florida State Introduces Jimbo Fisher as Head Coach- Press Conference Recap
Today, Jimbo Fisher, Florida State's head coach in waiting from 2007-2009, was formally introduced as head coach, succeeding the legendary Bobby Bowden. Here's the recap.
Florida State athletic director Randy Spetman introduced Fisher. He said that there had been only 8 head coaches in FSU history, no new head coach announcement had been made in 35 years. Spetman said this was not a common occurrence, but this isn’t a common man (Fisher). A common man wouldn’t have the courage or patience to follow Bowden. A common man couldn’t have re-kindled the Seminole spirit as Fisher has.
Fisher ditched the garish 1982 sport coach he usually dons for post-game interviews in favor of a black pinstripe suit. Fisher said he had been preparing for this day for a long time. He said he was fortunate to have been around a lot of successful people, learned so much from each of them, but the greatest thing I learned is to be myself, and remember why I am here. Fisher said he grew up a fan of Florida State, loved coach Bowden, and jumped at the chance to coach for Bobby Bowden. Fisher came to FSU for a lot of reasons. First, Fisher was a fan. I loved FSU. Fisher came to coach under coach Bowden. Fisher wanted to be a head coach and had a chance to be under the winningiest and best man in college football history. His experience here has been priceless. Coach won with more dignity and class than anyone who has ever walked the sideline. He said that many of his values and principles are from Bowden, not just from the last three years, but from following Bowden for the past 20 years. Fisher said that to have success over a long period of time, you must have values. He said that his and and Bowden's values are God, family, and football, in order. Fisher then talked for a long time about how his faith and family are very important to him.
Fisher then paid homage to all the players who made Florida State the great program it is today. He said that while he wasn't their coach, he was their fan, and that they are all now part of the same family. He said that they are always welcome back whenever they want. FSU fans who follow the program closely know that relationships with many former players have been strained due to some morons working in the athletics department.
He said that one thing that Florida State has consistently demonstrated over the past 30 years is a commitment to winning. Personally, I think this is a challenge to the administration and a reminder to the boosters that they need to step up their efforts if FSU is to compete on the national stage. Fisher is being gracious here, because the commitment to winning was decidedly not at Florida State for the last decade. I am told that Fisher now has full support of those in power to make FSU the best program it can be. He then added that while he will do things his way, the tradition of Florida State won't change because his principles and values will be the same of those who made Florida State great.
Then Fisher got into the good stuff- change. Fisher noted that when an organization has success, they are often resistant to change But he said he will affect the change. He said that you don't have to be sick to get better. Fisher said the people in power understand that he is bringing change. He said that young men are different today than they were 5 years ago because of the media. The world is different, coaches are different, and the kids are different. And Florida State must change to keep up with that change. Throughout the conference Fisher talked about knowing the needs of each kid. While not a shot at Bowden, it's hard to miss the contrast in styles. Bowden didn't know his player's names, Fisher makes it seem as if he wants to know their favorite color.
Fisher talked about how players must be successful off the field in order to be successful on the field. He said he wants quality character athletes, not characters. Fisher noted that the game has changed and you need smart players. It's not just about having the best athletes. Fisher said they will recruit goal-oriented kids who share their core values and principles. Fisher said can coach them up, but we have to recruit the right guys. Not every guy is going to come here thinking he’s going to be the next Rhodes Scholar, but whats wrong with educating them once they get here? He wants kids who want to succeed. Fisher said that boys do what they want to do, and Men do what they have to do.
The Fisher discussed support. He has made it no secret (on the booster trail) that he thinks Florida State is way behind the 8-ball when it comes to support systems. Luckily for FSU fans, Fisher coached under the best coach in college football, Nick Saban, and Saban's best attribute is organizational and support structure. Fisher talked for a while about how he and Nick transformed LSU when they were together. Fisher asked "what is performance?" Then he said, referencing Saban (and the other major programs intent on winning), that we must build a comprehensive program to deal with physical, mental, nutritional, academic, social, psychological, family, and all aspects of a player's life. He noted that FSU will do as much mental conditioning as physical ('Bama does this under Saban).
I wrote about this previously here, December 7th:
For almost a decade, Florida State's actions were not those of a program attempting to play football at an elite level. And in a competitive multi-billion dollar industry, if you're not innovating and trying to get better, you're getting worse. Florida State fell behind on the field in large part because they had a coaching staff that just wasn't competent-- be that ability to coach or ability to work the 90-hour weeks required of elite coaches. But FSU also found themselves far behind the times in other areas that weren't as visible to the average fan. ...
I'd also look for major improvements in the areas of strength, conditioning, and nutrition. Todd Stroud, FSU's current S&C coach will be out. He's not a bad S&C coach, but FSU can definitely do better. Fisher wants someone in the mold of Tommy Moffit, from LSU, widely considered the gold standard in college strength and conditioning programs. A few months ago, we identified two possible guys from the Moffit system- one at WKU and one at SMU. Barring some miracle that sees FSU land Moffit himself, or Alabama's Scott Cochran (very doubtful), look for FSU to go after the SMU or WKU guy. In addition to that, FSU's nutrition program is horrible. Players routinely fail to put on the necessary bulk. While UF has multiple nutritionists on staff, FSU doesn't have a single nutritionist on staff. Florida and Alabama regularly conduct blood testing on their players to make sure they have the proper levels of protein, vitamins, etc. Gator and Tide players regularly receive an individualized vitamin and mineral concoction upon getting to the complex. That's not happening at Florida State.
(click above link to read about the expected changes).
And the coaches who came in from the outside from other major programs thought FSU's system was a joke.
Here is a parent of a player who will talk about this on the record. I have edited the testimonial down to ensure anonymity.
After listening to Jimbo's press conference today, I am very excited about the future of FSU football/athletics. My child committed to FSU on a full [athletic] scholarship for the [20XX] class. I had some questions about the athletic program (Not just my kid's support) in the beginning and Jimbo Fisher answered those questions today. My kid had offers from all of the big national programs, and took visits to 5 major programs (names removed to protect athlete's identity). On every visit we went to among the big schools, there was so much emphasis put on nutrition. Meals were laid out by nutritionists for the athletes. At [Major Big12 school], athletes meals were prepared in a different kitchen by a different staff. [Major SEC school] had some of the same guidelines. Even though I know my daughter plays [her sport], what happens with football players has a trickle-down effect to all the athletic programs. We knew when [redacted] committed that the athletic program was lacking those fine touches that Jimbo will bring in. I just wanted to share this with you from a student-athlete's parent's point of view. Those "little things" are the difference makers!
He then launched into full-scale Nick Saban mode. "Process v. Outcome/ Results" Get used to this. A good outcome justified by a good process is repeatable. A bad outcome with good process is bad luck. A good outcome with bad process is getting lucky, not doing something right. Fisher said that the process must come before the results. Fisher said FSU needs the structure, staff, and support resources in place, like Saban, to affect change, like Saban. He will change how players walk, talk, breathe, everything. Fisher said FSU can, will, and expects to be better, and that with the right tools, FSU can be better soon. He clearly referenced the need to get everything in place quickly. Fisher said that he will change this building (the athletics department) as much as he changes the players.
Fisher talked about having good kids who are appreciated in the community and serve as ambassadors for the university. He wants to be able to tell a recruit "go call Christian Ponder and ask him".
Fisher then said that change is inevitable, growth is optional. He said that he must fix the mental at Florida State. Fisher said that many want to win badly but don't know how and don't have a plan, and that he has had great teachers in helping him form that plan.
Fisher was asked about the impact of his 3-year HCIW term, and he said it helped him tremendously. He knows what must be fixed and what already works. He doesn't need to have a 6-month acclimation period to learn about the players and the program. He understands the structural and individual problems. Fisher said that FSU has no choice but to change.
Fisher said that the entire staff had been hired, with the exception of the S&C coach, whom he expects to hire this week. James Coley is the offensive coordinator, but Fisher will still call the plays. If you have any concern over this, please refer to "should Jimbo Fisher call plays as head coach" Eddie Gran will be the associate head coach/ RB coach. Lawrence Dawsey will be the passing game coordinator/ WR coach. Rick Trickett will be the assistant head coach/ OL coach. Daymeune Craig will coach QB's along with Fisher. Mark Stoops is the D-coordinator. Greg Hudson is associate head coach of defense/ LB coach. O'Dell Haggins is the DT coach. Darin "DJ" Eliot is the DE coach. Fisher isn't sure who will assume Recruiting coordinator duties next year but it's assumed Coley won't retain them as OC.
Fisher said he has a great staff. He said they recruit and coach, they have great energy and called them hustlers. He said he had the final call on all hires. He said that his guys are big picture guys and expects all of them to one day be stars in this business.
Someone asked how he would change the S&C program. He said FSU needs changes, and he will make them after hiring a great S&C coach. Matt drills will continue but will be tweaked. He said FSU will get bigger but will continue to run and be in great shape. He said matt drills breed toughness, which is one of his pillars of the 4th quarter program (Saban lingo- Toughness Effort Discipline Pride). He then stressed nutrition again, saying WE NEED NUTRITION. THAT IS HUGE. WE HAVE TO HAVE A NUTRITION PROGRAM. We need the oil to compliment the gas for our car. You can't succeed without nutrition. FSU will have a nutrition staff, and the Noles will change what they eat, when they eat, and how they eat.
When asked about how quickly he can be successful, he referenced getting the process in place, but that it can happen very quickly. He said FSU is in a great conference and his focus is on winning the ACC. He also ripped on the reporter for being "outcome oriented" rather than "process oriented."
He then talked about another major issue Tomahawk Nation has been all over for about a year- scheduling. FSU sets itself up to fail with it's ridiculous schedule, which this year was again top 5 in the country. He said playing 3 non-conference contests will not happen under his watch.
So there is a lesson to be learned. Not every team is running the same race. Some aren't even running remotely similar races. If it's only time that matters, it makes sense to run the shortest possible race. Florida State will continue to schedule Florida, but the other three non-conference games need to be automatics, or close to automatics. With UF in the non-conference schedule, even three cupcakes filling the four additional slots wouldn't hurt FSU, especially when the coaches poll isn't paying attention. So why is FSU unnecessarily scheduling losable games? It seems to be a combination of money and a fundamental lack of understanding of the scheduling game. While FSU needs to put butts in the seats, and has a unique problem getting fans to their games due to their location in the northernmost point in the state, the decision to schedule higher-profile games just to maintain attendance is short sighted. The money lost when FSU falls from the rankings after dropping a game that they shouldn't have scheduled, and the long-term detriments to recruiting far outweigh an extra 5,000 tickets sold. Games against football's worst teams also cost more money, typically over a million dollars. But the benefits of scheduling and beating New Mexico, or Rice, or Tulane far outweigh the financial costs. Fans just want to root for a consistent winner, no matter who the team is playing. Florida State would easily be in the top 15 if they had scheduled like Penn State or Ole Miss. I doubt recruits would be dropping Florida State if the Noles were in the top 15. I haven't even touched on the idea of booster contributions, but most boosters are equally dumb like the coaches. They want to see a ranked team and do not care how the team gets that ranking.
Florida State's asinine scheduling also puts unnecessary pressure and and a negative spotlight on the program. Because few (if any) teams face the week-in and week-out grind that FSU faces. We can't reasonably expect people to sympathize with something they don't see or understand. Every team experiences letdowns, they are impossible to avoid. What a team can avoid is scheduling opponents who can take advantage of the scheduling team's down week, like a talented but inconsistent USF program that sold their entire season on the Florida State game. FSU just couldn't match their intensity, or the intensity the Noles showed the previous week against #7 ranked BYU. Smart scheduling also means avoiding scheduling teams who require the scheduling team to unnecessarily get up for a game, like playing that cross country road game against BYU. Instead of BYU and USF, why not Florida International and Rice? Then Florida State would be sitting at 3-1, with just a lass second loss to nationally ranked Miami. I don't like the process any more than you, but Florida State scheduling tactics are largely to blame for their current predicament. Florida State needs to stop being other team's game of the year, particularly those teams which are just talented enough to beat FSU if the Noles have an off-week.
Think that weak scheduling wouldn't get FSU to the National Championship game? Think again. With UF and thee nobodies, FSU would have to beat 8 or 9 bowl teams, including Miami and Florida, and play the ACC championship game against either Virginia Tech, Miami, North Carolina, or maybe Georgia Tech. 12-0 (or 11-1 in some years) would guarantee Florida State a shot at the National Championship. The game against Florida erases any concerns voters might have over the quality of the ACC. If Florida State ever wants to get back to the top, they have to make a lot of changes. Removing Bowden and the relics of his decade of incompetence is first and foremost, but FSU cannot continue to pass on three free wins per season. Play the game the way the voters want you to play it. It's record, not resume. 10-2 against sisters of the blind, in the mind of the voters, is much better than 7-5 against one of the most challenging schedules in the nation. This current approach by the Noles is like shooting long distance jumpers before the advent of the 3-point shot in basketball.
Fisher pointed out that scheduling these games is unnecessary for another reason- money. He said FSU cannot afford to play only 6 home games in a season. He'd rather draw 75,000 people for a cupcake home game than draw zero people for a road game. FSU plays UF, Miami, Clemson, BC, NC State, 2 of (VTech, GTech, UNC, UVA, Duke), Maryland, and Wake Forest. That is plenty tough. Fisher said that FSU is really hamstrung by its scheduling. He then said we will schedule like other schools looking to win the national championship. Does Texas do it? Does Bama do it? Does UF do it? Does Georgia do it? No, and neither will FSU. We're crazy to play those games.
Fisher then talked more Saban, saying the key to success is individual attention and meeting individual needs of each player, and with resources, FSU can do that.
Fisher said the HCIW agreement puts players at ease. He said he has his fingerprints on his two recruiting classes and noted that all players recruited in his two classes have a 2.0 GPA minimum, all but one have over a 2.2, and the average of his latest class is over a 3.0 Fisher said his superior knowledge of the program's strengths and weaknesses allowed him to hire the correct coaches.
Fisher said FSU was his 4th best offer but that it presented the best opportunity 5 years from then (January 2007).
Fisher said stoops called him and he was familiar with him from USF and Miami, he coached against him and was impressed with his work despite AU's lack of talent, and got very favorable reviews from Texas DC will Muschamp and Nebraska HC Bo Pelini. He said Darin Eliot is a Stoops guy but that he made the hire after Eliot blew him away in the interview process. Said Hudson will compliment Stoops but that Stoops is the DC. Said Hudson has been very good against the spread option (think UF).
Fisher said the spring game will be a game, not situational practice.
And that's it. Welcome coach Fisher.
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by Cigar City Nole on Jan 6, 2010 9:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I love.....
- that the spring game means something.
- that Nutrition will be monitored, utilized to build bigger, stronger, more alert players.
- that Jimbo is a process guy with a vision and a plan.
- that he recognizes the scheduling issues that going to OK or AF create for us, and will try to be part of the solution.
- that FSU is clearly, clearly headed in the right direction.
- that its great to be a Nole!!!!!!!!
Chop it up Seminoles!
Interesting the assignments
If I get the assignments right from the various reports I’ve gotten:
HC – Jimbo – will retain play calling as well
HC for Defense (or is it assistant/associate HC) and Linebackers – Hudson
DC and Secondary – Stoops (not to imply Hudson outranks anyone in the order I write this)
DL – Haggins (heard that Fisher clearly said line, not Tackles)
DE – Eliot
ST and RB – Gran
QB – Craig
Passing game coordinator – Dawsey (assumedly WRs still but read next comment)
OC – Coley (assumedly TEs as well, but is it just OC with Dawsey taking all receivers with his passing game coordination? )
OL – Trickett (why not "running game coordinator as well? )
RC TBD but supposedly will either be Craig or Eliot.
Strength.....
hasn’t been named yet,……..correct?
Chop it up Seminoles!
by horsepowernole on Jan 6, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
correct
but he said it would happen this week.
That sounds like he’s got someone who’s accepted, but that hire needs to inform his current bosses.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Jan 6, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
A playoff would definitely increase the likelihood of top teams playing one another because they could handle a loss or two and still have a good shot at the NC.
Schedule
I still think we should scehdule one semi-tough ooc in the beginning of the year. Second week. Do neutral sites. I understand the logic of scheduling pansies, but look at Saban. Saban plays one huge game in the beginning, a tough one the middle and then the Iron Bowl. I love the nutrition being brought up. FSU players back in the 90s were just naturally bigger than everyone else. Now that everyone is big, they need to eat right. They should have seperate meals. I am sorry they need to eat different from what the average student eats.
interesting idea....i wonder how the teams are selected for that?
"Don't flinch, let's kill a fly with an Axe."
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A spokesman for the Classic...
was on the radio here in Birmingham not long ago. He said the committe that selects the teams have reached out to the traditional powers (USC, Texas, OU, Ohio St, etc.) and would like to match them against teams from the region (ACC/SEC). They want to create a MNC atmosphere early so the teams would have to be top 10-15 caliber.
He also talked specifically about Saban and how much he loved playing that game. Nick wanted to test his team early in a BCS bowl atmosphere to see where they were mentally going. Nick didn’t care about the outcome as much as he did the experience.
by FloridaStateJay on Jan 6, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
EB played really well this year from what Panther's game I saw.
I think he’s gonna be a good player. Not surprised.
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 7, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
EB is on the scheduling committee at FSU.
Jimbo invited back former players, and EB was the first to step up.
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 7, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Can't look at it this way. Bama played 1 tough OOC game...VT.
He doesn’t have a choice with the Iron Bowl. Besides being their biggest rival, they are also in the same division of the same conference. That game isn’t even a choice.
I stated this in another thread. Our Big OOC game happens to be our biggest rival, from one of the best football conferences. We don’t have to schedule UF + additional top BCS schools.
by jasonole59 on Jan 6, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
TN's already had the big fight (not really) over "can we at least keep one semi-tough OOC opponent on the schedule to compliment UF?"
I’m with you, and no doubt all the referenced scenarios are thankfully in play, but certainly the days of travelling to Oklahoma and BYU and Air Force – while hosting another in the same year – are over. Thank God – I don’t know how that got so out of hand. I like the West Virginia home-and-home. A game like that just looks good with two cupcakes and is perfectly manageable in a year with a Duke and/or Maryland on the schedule, whereas three cupcakes with our – no matter what we say – nationally-recognized underachieving ACC (and I hate to say that as much as anyone) is fodder for our rivals, and that does matter in a game without a true champion that essentially plays out as a beauty contest.
My comment on the press conference: Goosebumps.
Good points.
I believe alot of it should depend on the relative strength of the ACC.
1. ) If Miami, VT, and Clemson return to where they should be, and UNC/BC stay where they are or improve, we should be fine playing only UF.
2. ) If the ACC continues to be horrid, then I believe we’d need the help of adding a lower-tiered BCS OOC game (examples: Arizona, Texas A&M, Indiana, Lousiville, etc)
Unfortunately, it’s very hard to gauge the strength of the conference preseason. With the way the BCS operates, I’d almost be inclined to go ahead and schedule it, and use your 2 cupcakes and bye in a strategic manner.
Afterthought: We’re also assuming that UF stays on top. If they slide somehow to a middle-of-the-road SEC team a la Ron Zook, then it hurts even more to schedule cupcakes. Thus, this is life….
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 7, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Good post. And further proving my point that there just isn't a whole lot that folks are disagreeing on in these mounting pages of discussion on OOC opponents.
My only addition to your post would be to clarify my OOC teams. (I’m actually more conservative than you here.) No need to travel outside the region anymore. (And I’m certain those days are over.) That’s one reason I cited the West Virginia game vs. the others.
Still think FSU won't win another NC in your lifetime?
I think Jimbo’s press conference might swoon you in other direction.
I cannot wait.
I have been to the last two spring games and they are just about pointless to go to. In the second half they just run drills and game situation stuff. Not boring enough to keep me away but now I’m actually excited about this years spring game.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
impatient
I can’t wait for something, anything to start happening practice wise. So the next thing is matt drills right? From now until then just recruiting?
He's right about the scheduling
But I don’t like it. Dadburnit, I wish there were a playoff. I like it when we play tough opponents. I like watching high quality teams play each other. It’s a good thing.
I understand about the system. What it means is that the system sucks.
(note College Basketball does this correctly…)
I don't follow your logic at all.
1. College basketball teams schedule a ton of pansies.
2. How would a playoff be conducive to tougher football schedules?
They schedule pansies because they have so many games to work with.
A. UNC alone has played @Texas, a tourney game against Ohio State and Syracuse, Michigan State, @Kentucky, to go along with their patsies.
2. I think he meant by having a playoff, you would be facing tougher opponents in the playoff, rather than just 1 bowl game.
ya i think a playoff would be great in that respect
"Don't flinch, let's kill a fly with an Axe."
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BCS formula
Originally there was a Strength of Schedule component to BCS rankings … after a couple of teams w/ strong SOS beat out teams with a weak one … the better schools started to clamor for better competition.
They dropped it because it was “too confusing” — in other words, accurate but complex.
That screwed up the last reason to schedule tough as a potential BCSer …
4th Best Offer
I’ve wondered what the other offers were. Here are the list of HC changes in 2007
http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/coaching_changes_2007.html
Only ones I can throw at the dartboard are:
1. USC OC
2. Bama OC
3. NFL opportunity or UAB HC
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 6, 2010 3:38 PM EST reply actions
Saban wanted him for sure...
his offer was withdrawn from FSU when it was thought he was going to Bama.
Thx
Didn’t know that
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 6, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
That is why LSU is a loser today
Lester proves an idiot can win 8 games at LSU. If he had sense enough to keep Fisher they would not be about ready to lynch him now. Lester just couldn’t stay out of the play calling and Fisher deeply resented that as he got the blame for it as offensive coordinator. Lester was his own worst enemy.
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
That's correct
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 6, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
A bit confused about the schedule part.
What does the following mean?
He said playing 3 non-conference contests will not happen under his watch.
We have to play 4 total non-conference games. Did he just mean that 3 of the non-conference games will be played at home instead of these home and homes we are doing with other teams (USF, OU)? So get rid of these better teams and get some much lesser opponents to come and get smacked down at Doak? I would be just fine with that.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
I think he was talking about 3 OOC games against BCS opponents.
No more, at BYU, USF, at UF.
next year at OU, BYU, FU
Maybe two bcs teams per year, one being FU. The other two = cupcakes.
Count me as one of the pumped up guys.
Signature space available for rent - Got to pay the bills somehow
Offer
West Virginia came up later that year if I a not mistaken
WVU and Auburn HC
Both after 2007 season
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 6, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
I think Jimbo's been reading TN!
It’s amazing that everything he covered has been covered here previously. I knew about evry issue in advance thanks to TN.
Which should tell all of us just how out of touch the previous regime was.
Most of the Bowden desciples didn’t want to hear it and now they have no choice. We’ve got a modern day Allegory of a Cave going on in Tallahassee. I love it!
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
Jimbo
I was talking with some guys on Saturday. Hurricanes fans. One thinks Jimbo is not the real deal and one agreed with me that he is after we had discussions. If Jimbo Fisher can make JaMarcus Russel the number 1 pick in the NFL, how is he not a hell of a coach. That one of the guys over. And he was getting upset that we have been taking recruits out of South Florida. He doesn’t like Shannon. Realistic Hurricanes know that FSU will pass them within two years. How can they not beat Big Ten team that we crushed two years ago???
We beat Wisconsin one year ago.
And Wisconsin is a lot better than they were last year.
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
I believe they were extra motivated too, after the speed vs size criticism they endured last year.
They probably viewed UM/FSU as similar teams, and a chance at redemption.
There is no way our defense could have stopped their bowling ball with legs.
Clay would’ve run for 250 yards on us. The TE would’ve caught 10 balls for 150 yards and 3 TD’s. Mangum would’ve been burned at least 5 times.
I’m pumped about the Gator Bowl win, but we do need to send Bill Stewart a thank you card.
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 6, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
I think he meant
at its current state. He said it was the best option 5 years down the road.
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Jan 6, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Or....
It was a position thing apparently.
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Jan 6, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
you are correct sir
LSU and Bama were better offers and GT HC position would have been better at the time.
i think
He was saying that in terms of outsiders perspective and money possibly -meaning that despite the other choices-he wanted FSU ALL THE WAY
by LETSGONOLES on Jan 6, 2010 4:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Also I'm sure he knew that coming here...
He had an absolute mess to clean up and was going to be doing it with one arm behind his back practically.
I kinda think that he wanted the Challenge. To see how big his nuts really are.
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 6, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
Apologies to our 4 female readers. Inappropriate
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 6, 2010 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
Offer
Either way he came and that is all that mattered. Like he said, it seems this is his dream job. Don’t have to worry about him leaving. If he leaves it would be for Alabama, and they already have their future coach. I love the Jimbo era already. I really want next season to start. I need to know who signs and everything. It is killing me not knowing!!!
Schedule
What is everyone’s thoughts on the schedule?? It would suck to become like UF and play pansies. I still think we need a big game early in the season. Alabama has had great success by winning big early in the season. We should play in the Chic Fil A Big Game early in the season. But I understand the other side as well. An undefeated FSU team will always be in the National Championship game. No. Matter. What. Seriously. They will be in over any Pac-10 team, any Big 10 team and any Big 12 team. In the voters eyes, and undefeated FSU has already gone through a tough Miami team and tough UF team. Now they would have won a ACCCG against another tough team. I understand the logic to schedule easy games, but I dont think we should forget what put us where we are.
We can do a strong early game, play UF at the end of the season, and schedule 2 high schools
that would be better than what we currently have going.
I addressed this earlier...you seem to keep starting the same question/thread at various points in the comments:
Can’t look at it this way. Bama played 1 tough OOC game…VT.
Bama doesn’t have a choice with the Iron Bowl. Besides being their biggest rival, they are also in the same division of the same conference. That game isn’t even a choice.
I stated this in another thread. Our Big OOC game happens to be our biggest rival, from one of the best football conferences. We don’t need to schedule UF + additional top BCS schools.
Play within the rules
don’t try to change the system. As the rules are now, our scheduling is hurting our program.
playing UM and UF and winning the ACCCG is good enough, we dont need anything more than that
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When we talk about "cupcakes"
It would be interesting to see if we’re all on the same page. For instance, I count a cupcake as Arkansas State, FAU, North Carolina A&T…I do NOT consider Louisiana Tech, Troy, or MTSU to be cupcakes.
It would be interesting to get everyone’s thoughts on who a “cupcake” really is, and the risk/reward of scheduling a team like Troy over Arkansas State. For example, if you whip troy 35-10, it certainly looks better than beating NC A&T 62-3, right? Or are the pollsters just THAT disconnected?
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 6, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
ya, Troy put up a good fight last time we played...but then again its been easy the past few years
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you're clearly not watching the double overtime Troy is in right now ;-)
by freshcollegeboy on Jan 6, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
I think he was referring to FSU being an easy game for cupcakes...
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 7, 2010 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
well i meant that while troy is a good football team all things considered, theyre still a "cupcake" team and should be easy for us to beat, but latly its been hard for us to beat anyone
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On the scheduling thing...
I think an additional cupcake not only gives the players time to rest and heal, but also gives them a bit of a break from football to concentrate on their studies. The academic calendar has peaks & valleys. Hard to accomodate those when you have a quality opponent to prepare for every week.
Cupcakes also allow for invaluable in-game PT for up-and-comers.
EJ wouldn’t have sniffed more than 10 pass attempts this year (and maybe next year) if Ponder had not gone down.
Yes!!! I totally agree that this is something that has been missing for the past couple years.
we haven’t had nearly enough young players getting time at key positions as we could have if we had 3 more blow outs a year.
Yeah, right!
Schedule
I can live with that. 1 Neutral two pansies, conference, Miami in the middle and then UF.
Schedule
Well they usually play LSU un the middle of their season
First - Hit Reply
2nd…you’re looking at a division opponent from the same conference. They HAVE to play them. We are specifically talking out of conference opponents.
We don’t debate whether or not we should play clemson…we have to.
SEC was overated this year.
Bama played VT, FIU, North Texas, Chattanooga (1AA) out of conference.
our non-conference schedule was much harder.
So why would you add more losses to your record by scheduling a tough opponent?
What is the benefit?
no we dont
if we win the ACC and beat UF and go undefeated that is enough. On years miami makes the ACCCG that means we beat Miami twice, on years we play VT and they make the ACCCG we beat them twice and so on. Schedule easy games at home to get money, momentum, rest, PT for reserves, heal injuries, and most importantly keep an undefeated record.
I would love to have all games against top quality teams if we had a NFL type league where you can go .500 and make the playoffs but in CFB if you lose one game you are out of Championship contention so why bother making things harder than they have to be?
Agreed. However while we might play scUM twice if we and they win our respective divisions,
we don’t necessarily play the winner of the Coastal Div twice every year, meaning VT, GT, NC, Duke, or Virginia. Some years it may happen, but not necessarily.
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Win-win
Always play Miami, and from there we will always play the best from that division… be it a varied swath of tough competition, or the division champ twice. Either way is sufficient for SOS purposes.
Also favorable to us is the end-of-year timing vs. UF, provided they can’t weasel out of that arrangement, since that game and the ACCCG will be fresh on minds of pollsters.
They can't weasel out of that game unless they change some FL law.
I believe it is a state law that FSU has to play UF every year.
It is not a state law.
It was threatened by the legislature, but nothing was codified.
Further, I’m talking about the timing of the matchup in this specific instance. Spurrier incessantly whined about trying to move the game AWAY from the SECCG.
Meyer hasn’t really had to worry about it, since we have served as appropriate prep-week fodder the last couple of years, but if we make a resurgence, you can darn well bet they will try to move it again.
So long as the SEC remains a stronger conference, it works to our advantage.
That is, GT/UNC/VT/Miami are likely to be a step below the obstacle that Florida will face (UA, LSU).
And they definitely will be a step below
GT & UNC are much tougher to get into than Bama and LSU.
Academics should ensure FSU has a permanant advantage once our talent levels are equal.
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by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 7, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
i posted something about this on this thread, or maybe it was on another thread
long story short, its not a law
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I understand that
that’s why I mentioned that in years we already play VT if they make the ACCCG we would play them twice.
but overall
ACC is 3-4 and SEC is 6-4 and SEC and Big 10 are BOTH 2-0 in BCS bowls. ACC is 0-1. I think more people look more at BCS bowls unless youre in the ACC or SEC who just hate each other. Then you look at overall matchups.
I just don't look at bowl records for conferences.
It’s stupid. I definitely think the ACC struggles in the BCS more than any other conference, though (especially us).
UF and Big 12
Since the Big 12 is the other conference du jour right now (besides the conference worshiped by eSECpn), I think we should schedule one beatable Big 12 team a year in addition to our UF game. I’m not talking about Texas or OK, but a bottom tier Big 12 that we can (hopefully soon) beat the tar out of … a Baylor or a K State. Colorado was a great opponent a couple years ago.
Then if we go undefeated, we’d have both a Big 12 and a really good SEC win to sway the “ACC is Weak” voters who might keep us out of the NC Game if there is both a Big 12 and an SEC team with a comparable record.
Big 12 and SEC vs ACC
I am imagining a scenario where Bama, UTexas or OK, and us are all undefeated. That would most likely mean both Bama and us beat UF, if UF wasn’t having a really “off” year and didn’t make the SECCG. Given the choice between the three of us for the NC game, I wonder if the “ACC is weak” arguments would put the Big 12 team and Bama in the NC and leave us out.
It’s possible that drubbing a weak Big 12 school might help us out in comparison. If we can beat the team by more than what UT or OK did, it might help our case. I know it’s a silly argument, but that’s what the Polls usually break down into.
While ACC still seems to be climbing, despite Wisconsin, Iowa results.
Provided FSU ascends to its proper place (top 10), we will also have VT, UNC, GT, Miami, and possibly Clemson contending for top 25 rankings over the next 5 years. Will be competitive with Big 12’s better teams — UT, Nebraska, Oklahoma, and OK State on top, with TTech, TAMU, KSU possibly improving.
*I almost don’t put Clemson on the list because I think Dabo is that far over his head. Steele is their only chance at redemption. And… hope the BC guy doesn’t come over here sniping at me again, but I still don’t think they have necessities for long term achievement.
I don't think all ACC schools would be evaluated the same...
Undefeated FSU and Miami (Probably VT, Clem, GT) would be in the conversation. Some of the rest may be treated as Cincinnati was this year.
Obviously any other undeated ACC school would have had to have beaten those all those teams you mentioned, no?
Their SOS would have to be under a microscope to be ignored like that.
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 6, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree (respectfully)
Do you think Cincy got the same respect that an undefeated WVU would have? Cincy is in a BCS conference and was getting less respect that Boise, TCU.
If WF goes undefeated, then the powers that be will assume there is a problem in the ACC. Really, as long as FSU and Miami are down, that perception will remain.
Do you think an undefeated WF bypasses a 1 loss SEC team? I don’t. An undefeated FSU does.
The ACC obviously gave us the easy division. when they expanded. Honestly no one in our division is an elite team. They were all put into the other division. Clemson is the only threat and once Jimbo has things rolling they will not be a threat.
They should move Miami to the Atlantic
It is nonsense that we should have to potentially play them twice every year.
Swap Miami for Clemson.
No one likes to see a rematch, especially one that might have BCS or National Championship implications….
the ACC would love to have a UM v FSU ACCCG, theres no way we would be in the same division, it just wont happen IMO
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no keep miami in the coastal
if we lose to miami/ vise versa than pretty much we are out of the ACCCG. but since it is the way it is than we have a chance to play for ACCCG even with the loss.
plus i would want to play miami twice a year. i would love to watch us beat up miami twice in one season lol
but the idea of playing a rival twice doesnt sound like fun.... 1996 anyone?
but then again nothing would be sweeter than sticking it to “duh u” twice in one year
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FSU vs. Miami in the ACCCG
how many times has it happened? i wouldn’t worry about it.
Miami has only been in the ACC for 5 years and we sucked and they sucked. So you might be wrong in saying don't worry about it because if we both keep improving, 2 times a year is very possible.
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I respectfully disagree.
They beat GT.
They lost to VT, lost o Clemson in OT, and still had a outside chance of winning the Coastal until they lost to NC.
They finished at 5-3 and we finished at 4-4.
They beat OU (OOC I know).
They are just as close to winning the Coastal as we are to winning the Atlantic (sigh unfortunately).
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My thought is based on....
a lack of respect for both their coaching situation and infrastructure as well as a tougher division. As much as we’re singing praises for the changes Jimbo will be bringing here, they are being left behind. Randy is an albatross around their program’s neck. They have a ceiling; may have hit it this year.
They do not have their own stadium. Facilities will remain sub-par. And they can’t afford to do anything about it.
I’d say they are going to have a real hard time competing with UNC, VT, and GT; whereas all we need to do is slap those yokels in SC around (like Maryland can), and then simply add 10-15 lbs across the front to take out BC. Our hill has a MUCH more gentle slope. I’d have considerable hesitation picking us to win that side (esp. over VT), while I feel very good about our chances over here.
Not to be a complete contrarian, but regarding the positives you point out:
- GT is an enigmatic case that can be solved with the right formula: essentially a strong defensive front and 10 days to prepare (check Miami for both).
- VT destroyed them. Not even competitive.
- Clemson is as dysfunctional offensively as we are (were) defensively. If we had even a semblance of a defense our game with them (at their stadium) would not have been close.
- Oklahoma was not Oklahoma; they got beat by a demonstrably over-rated BYU team.
So… I repeat… da U has problems more serious than our own… internal and external, and they do not appear to be taking all possible steps to address them.
right! the jury is still out on Miami's comback...wait 2 years to worry.
Since we seem to be focusing on debunking their South FL recruiting…if that plan succeeds as it has so far, then I would think Miami would struggle over the next few years.
Yeah, right!
If they swapped miami, it wouldn't be for Clemson.
They would probably try to do more of a North/South Division. Miami would be swapped for BC/Maryland IMO.
Right. I think it's cyclical
I believe that we’ll have one thread at any given time from Clemson, BC, and Maryland. Those of you who think we’ll just beat on Clemson in the coming years are crazy, and as soon as Maryland gets a guy in there who can coach (and they will), they’ll turn it around. BC also can be good in any given year.
Our division was weak this year, but to assume that this will always be the case is a bit asanine IMO
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 6, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
I think it'd be crazy to assume our division will ever be elite.
NC State’s had a good year this past decade. BC’s had a few. Wake had one. Maryland had one. Clemson’s been pretty consistently average/good throughout. That leaves FSU, the only team to have been better than average more often than not the past 25 years.
The ACC Atlantic is pretty much:
FSU
Clemson
Boston College
The rest (not sure why you think UMD’s anything special?)
In the hierarchy of things. Just because it is not currently that way, does not mean that in the past and the future it is not.
Same with the Costal
Miami
Georgia Tech
Virginia Tech
The rest
History shows you can go 4-2 and win the division. That’s pretty awful. It is NOT unreasonable to expect 7-1 every year in the ACC. The fact that we couldn’t do that the past few years shows just how poorly we recruited and coached.
I may have gotten off point. But anyways, I don’t believe in “cycles”. There’s no ebb and flow of the universe to it. You either continue to produce and perform or you don’t. There is always a reason for it. It is not just the uncontrollable nature of things. And I also don’t think our division is that strong. BUT, I also don’t think it is weak. It’s better than the Big XII North. Not better than the South. Not better than the SEC West or East. But likely better than any Pac 10 division (if they grew), one of the Big Ten divisions (if they grew) or any Big East division. So I’ll take top half of all BCS divisions.
Again, this is kind of a rant.
um.. big 10 is coming up
wisconsin beating up on miami and 2-0 in BCS bowls with Ohio State and Iowa beating Oregon and GTech. I wouldn’t be surprised if Big 10 is the 2nd best conferance in football now after SEC. I’m not sure what Big 10’s bowl record was or their OOC record during the season but I imagine it was better than ours
Please use the reply button to make it easier to follow the conversation.
As FSUn said at the time they made the divisions they were fairly even conferences. We don’t need anything more than a win over UF after going undefeated in the ACC to have a shot at MNCG. Hard OOC games means a much lower chance to go undefeated and 1 loss is enough to kill any chance at the MNCG.
Look at the typically ranked teams in the ACC: Clemson, Miami, and VT. Along with teams that sometime are quite good: GT, BC, UNC, Wake. Really the only teams in the ACC that are consistantly bad are Duke, NC State, Maryland, and UVA. I think it’s very safe to say that in any given year, playiing ACC competition and then UF, we’ll play at least 3 ranked teams, possible 5-6. Not to mention having to play in the ACCCG. You get through that undefeated you’re playing for a national championship. No style points needed.
When will schedule changes be implemented?
Great article, so excited about the new changes. One question – how soon can we change scheduled/contracted opponents? For instance, I think we have a 2 or 3 year contract to play Oklahoma each season. Can we get out of it for "10? "11? "12? I often see schools back out of contracted games to get into better ones (usually for some amount of liquidated damages). I think that’s how we got USF on our schedule last year (by dropping Maine). Is FSU admin willing to break its existing contracts for the near future or do we have to play out our existing contracts with OOC opponents and just contract for weaker ones years down the road?
Thanks for your insights!
Oklahoma is just 2 games (home and home), we won't break those
We can drop future AFA and WVU games with no problems and I think we should. Will we? If Jimbo has his way I say yes.
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
I would hate for us to drop AFA
that game in 2011 will be 40 miles south of where I live now :-(
I understand the logic. It just sucks that they would have to do that. I just see it as SEC “feel” their conference is tough enough that they dont have to. Honestly it may be overrated but no conference was great this year. Traditionally the SEC is deep. UF, Alabama, Aubrun, LSU, Georgia and Tennesee are top 25 programs. ACC has FSU, Miami, VT and GT. everyone else is good once in a while. Thats why I think we should still play one tough game early in the season. Yes it can hurt, but it can also help.
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Gotcha. I understand the logic. It just sucks that they would have to drop OOC games. I like playing big games.
I think you can. USC plays Notre Dame and usually a tough opponent out of confernce. I know NOtre Dame sucks but still.
Notre Dame...
is 1-26 against ranked teams in the last 27 games.
USC also gets to play Washingtoin state, san jose state, etc.
They still have played USC tough in the games at South Bend this year. I agree if you want to win a National Championship you have to have three cupcakes that go there just to get paid and take their shallacking. Just hate that is what it has come to. A program had to schedule everyone just to even get a chance at a National Championship.
You seriously think they schedule harder than FSU?
I don’t care what it has come to, I want to play the game by the current format.
lol thatd be like syaing "forward pass?! who wants to do that! im sticking with the run, none of that newfangled forward pass trickery!"
you have to exploit the system and use it to your advantage
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was that in referance to
GT Tech against Iowa?
No, it was referring to not playing within the
confines of the current rules.
Scheduling to win = adapting the forward pass.
true
FWIW, after all the hype it’s gotten, I’m really starting to question whether GT’s style of offense will work long term in major CFB. No passing game at all is just too one dimensional, and only around 21 yrds rushing near the end of the 1st half of the OB.
Amazing what a month to prepare will do. The game wasn’t as close as the score indicated.
It will only get them to a certain level.
- 2 minute drills will be next to impossible with a lack of experience passing.
- games like this will be difficult if teams do sit on the run and jump the predicted PA routes.
-I don’t think hew will recruit the big WR’s that he currently has blocking on the edge (he inherited those)
Yeah, right!
It comes down to this...
Winning national titles
or
Playing a tough yearly schedule
I thought you played to win titles. If that has changed, someone fill me in. I will gladly schedule Texas, Ohio State and USC ooc every year (along with UF) if the toughest SOS gets called national champion. If it HASN’T changed, sign me up for the Sun Belt and MAC schools.
NOTRE DAME
Umm, does not have a conference. Totally moot.
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by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 6, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
But I meant it as a USC thing. they play two tougher than normal ooc games and then usually San Jose State. We get to play Maryland and Wake Forest. Honestly these programs were “good” only because FSU was horrible this decade. NCST always plays us tough, and there should be no excuse why FSU should not beat BC.
USC
The Trojans are the perfect reference for why you wouldn’t schedule tough OOC games. They may beat OSU or ND on the road in a given year, but then they come home and lose to a PAC10 they should have been rested for. If USC played patsies before their big league games this decade, they would be looking at 2-3 more Nat Champs.
There is a system to scheduling now, if you don’t follow it shame on you. Jimbo said as much yday. I don’t understand why its still being discussed
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by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 7, 2010 6:42 AM EST up reply actions
Because there are two equally valid opinions on this.
No one’s calling for the type of OOC scheduling we have now. The guy who runs this site has stated that he doesn’t want a group think here, and not everything he says has to be run with until the entire TN community has jumped on board and steamrolled the opposition into submission. And you can mark it down that Florida State will occasionally play an OOC opponent, either in a home-and-home, or on a neutral site, that has a number in front of its name, besides Florida. And everyone will be happy.
Fair Enough
I naievely thought most others agreed…but I guess this will still be a discussion until actual changes occur, as I noted a few days ago
Great teams have clarity in philosophy and therefore successful outcomes in three specific areas
1. Coaching = Fixed
2. Recruiting = Fixed
3. Schedule = NOT Fixed
Now I understand that there is some work to be done in 1 & 2 (implementing schemes takes time; creating talent depth takes time), but we at least have a definitive direction in where the program is headed in those two areas, and as fans we can relax FINALLY in terms of coaching and recruting.
However, until we see for ourselves actions taken by the school to remedy the scheduling mess that is detrimental to our long term success we will have to accept 8-9 win seasons. No UM at beginning of the year, NO Labor Day games, no OOC games against FBS opponents outside of UF. When that is done, we will be able to boast before, during and after every season to the Gates and Canes that we are the team to beat in the Sunshine State. Its been too damn long since we’ve been able to say that.
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by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 7, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
I think many are thinking...
UF + 1 more decent OOC opponent + 2 cream puffs + bye week + conference schedule.
Everyone agrees our SOS doesn’t need to be in the top 5 or 10, tear in year out. Even a bump to 50-60 SOS would help. As it is, we do UF + 2 decent OOC opponents + 1 cream puff.
Once we become a perennial powerhouse again, then we can stay on top by doing the 3 cream puff thing. There’s a progression there and a strategic difference between trying to get back on top and staying on top.
Your're Right
It seems that Bud, Dot and others are at this concensus. I’m risk averse so I’d prefer going straight cream puff, but I understand.
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by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 7, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Dot is the nickname for the guy who runs Warchant because from what I've read
he signs his comments on his blog as Dot.Com, and from all reports and accounts, runs WC like the Nazi Gastapo.
Not to be confused with TN member and satirist Dot.Com who is TN’s resident version of our sites Gastapo, although in jest.
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This is the best solution IMO
If/When we have the advantage of a stronger ACC and a higher early-season rankings, we can back off.
Until then, we’ll need a decent OOC game outside of UF to get us to where we need to be.
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 7, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
NO play the numbers! If we beat UF and win out in and out of conference plus the ACCCG we will play for titles.
remember when we were owning the ACC and everyone was complaining that the Conf. wasn’t good enough, and…
WE WERE STILL PLAYING FOR TITLES ON A REGULAR BASIS.
Yeah, right!
I agree with this
How likely is it that another 2 BCS teams go undefeated? How often has it happened that there are 3 undefeated teams? Who’s to say we wouldn’t get the nod over one of the other two who likely scheduled the same way and didn’t just beat UF? Playing the numbers is the right call. Also, if an undefeated FSU team was left out of the MNC game, you’d better believe it woud accelerate the playoff talk.
>>---l>
Woo hoo
True and DK are on my side.
Bad enough you have to schedule a D-II and get beat (ahem, Michigan). Be smart and schedule as many Craptastic Techs outside of UF, win your conference, and be in play every (other) year for a Nat Champ.
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by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 7, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
most other teams
you keep citing other teams’ tough OOC game (bama v. VT, usc v. nd) they only have one tough OOC game. we already have ours. i do like to play good teams (I’ll hopefully be going to norman next year) but we won’t win another MNC with the type of schedule we have right now. The first year we go 12-1 or 12-2 we won’t have a problem selling out 8 home games. winning sells, not “interesting matchups”
While other coaches are sleeping Coach Coley is stalking HS football players on their FB and twitter accounts and reading their old book reports.
True
Well USC usally plays two. But you are right the others play just one. And before Miami joined the ACC we would have two tough out of conference games.
USC usually plays two?
http://www.usctrojans.com/sports/m-footbl/usc-m-footbl-futurescheds.html
Can you please enlighten us to who they are? I know they played a home/home with Ohio State recently, but their schedule doesn’t impress me one bit. I’m probably not alone.
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 6, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
Timing
Hawaii was solid up until June Jones left. They play Minnesota and Boston College. On top of playing Notre Dame every year. Minnesota and Boston College are not exactly Ohio State or Texas, but those are better opponents than Rice and Charlseton Southern. I am not saying to schedule a Oklahoma type team every year, but why not play the mediocre teams from the BCS conferences. And USC always does a home and home. What should be done is pancake, BCS team, pancake conference then Florida. Can we schedule more games? I know Boise State just went 14-0. Have 5 OOC. That way you can schedule a pancake right before UF. Thus bringing in more money..
Hawaii was NEVER any good
They had 1 year where they went 12-0 in a garbage conference and then got their doors blown off against Georgia is the Sugar Bowl
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
Hawaii
They were solid. Not great. They were still a better team than North Dakota State of the East Side of Lake Nowhere.
They are not even solid
Since 2004 they are 11-23 against teams with winning records and 0-13 against ranked teams.
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
re: extra games
I know Boise State just went 14-0. Have 5 OOC.
When you travel to Hawaii to play a game, you can schedule a 13th game.
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Im with you brother
I love the big games that we have. Yea I think we need 2 cupcakes and UF plus a Oklahoma or a WVU. To only play UF OOC would be kind of a letdown to me as a fan. I think we should play USF UF and UM every year. GO FOR THE FLORIDA HAT TRICK! I’d love to see us play another SECOND OOC game. Because the SEC is the most overrated conf there is. Keep the Mountaineers on the upcoming schedule Jimbone and LOVE THE SUIT! Keep it 3rd and Manageable
by 3rdandManageable(VicVanBuren) on Jan 6, 2010 11:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
why
why do anything that could potentially hurt? you know what helps? winning all of your games.
Bingo
End of conversation
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by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 6, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Not even close
But I thought it was a good point to stop at least for today
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by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 6, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Mateo is allowed his opinion even if most differ.
I respect that he’s fighting the battle even if, imo, it’s a losing one.
I agree
I agree with the new philosphy. I just hate that it comes to that. Side question. How much did Alabama and VT get for playing the game? They did get money correct? The new philosphy makes a lot more sense. More home games equals more money. And despite what anyone says, people love blowouts. It makes everyone feel good. Especially the players. Gives them a big confidence boost.
Dr Jeckel
Meet Mr Hyde
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by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 6, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with you.
I’d LOVE to see great ooc games every year. But it just cannot realistically happen. It’s a shame, but that’s how it must be. I’d rather win titles than play tough opponents.
LOL
Question though. The schools that play a neutral sites. Don’t they get money? I asked before and I am not sure if it got answered and I missed it. Anyways, that is what makes watching Boise State so fun to watch. Its like watching FSU in thenew century. Only coach who had the stones to go for fake punts and hook and ladders and statues of liberty was a young Bobby Bowden at FSU.
who has boise state gone on the road to play?
they played a home and home with oregon. who else? they played georgia in ‘05. they are not the FSU of the 80’s. they camp out on that ugly blue field and expect us to be impressed. i will say that it is probably hard for them to schedule BCS schools.
While other coaches are sleeping Coach Coley is stalking HS football players on their FB and twitter accounts and reading their old book reports.
BSU
That is because no one wants to play them. Petersen said that they would have to do 2 road games and only one game on the blue smurf turf. That is not fair to them.
Boise St
Will open against Va Tech at Fedex Field next season.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4352263
As has already been mentioned, Boise St = FSU in the 80s. We don’t need to follow that M.O. any longer.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 7, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
Disagree about BSU today = FSU 80s.
Location, location, location. Cold-a$$ Idaho mountains (not to mention blue field), versus football hotbed sharing city with HBCU. They’ll always be a gimmicky upstart rather than a true contender.
Touche
Not equivalent comparison. Regardless, Boise can take 3rd and 4th option recruits from Cali, Tx and FL, win their conference and the one big game on the calendar that they circle at the beginning of the year, then play in a BCS bowl. At least they know how the system works.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 7, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
BSU
Boise State next year will be in NC if they go undefeated. Beating VT on top of bringing back everyone from this undefeated team.
Not if Bama and Texas go undefeated
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 7, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Neither will
None of them will though. Texas loses Colt McCoy. Next year is when they go 9-4, 10-3. Easy schedule or not. No leadership. Alabama will probably play Boise State. Boise State will be top 5 preseason.
Possibly
They rarely lose big games. They lost to TCU last year because they felt they should have been in the BCS. Who cares about playing a one loss TCU team at the Poinsettia Bowl.
They have NEVER played a game like they will next year in Blacksburg
TCU ’s game plan against BSU in the Fiesta Bowl was inexcusable and they had no business losing.
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
FedEX
The game will be in Washington DC. Boise State fans travel in bunches.
I meant they have never traveled to play a team like they will see in VT
Traveling to Oregon doesn’t count
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
Oregon
Ask USCand Michigan how tough it is to win at Autzen Stadium. It is one of the toughest stadiums in country.
Oregon doesnt have to travel 2000+ miles to play at ASU
VT is also a much better team than ASU
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
Texas
Just changed my opinion on them. Their QB for next year looks like the real deal.
are you being sarcastic?
with the 4 picks and 30% passing rate?
No they aren't the FSU of the 80's...
They aren’t going into any elite schools home field and knocking them off. FSU was doing that when gaining respect.
BSU
No one will schedule them that is why. Some Pac-10 teams will. BSU plays Oregon State and VT next year. I think it is at Oregon State. Ask USC how hard it is to win there. And then Virginia Tech at FedEx field is basically a home game for VT as well.
Nobody schedules them because they expect to get a home and home.
They haven’t reached that level IMO, where a school with an 80,000 plus stadium will exchange a Home/Home with a team that has a 38,000 seat stadium. Too much $$$ loss.
BSU
Their stadium sits wat more than 38k. They have been upgrading their stadium and facilities every year. They banked a lot of money from the first BCS win. And now they went to another one.
Can you please deal in facts, not what it looks like on TV
From their own site:
http://www.broncosports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=9900&ATCLID=530470
They list 2 different capacities, 32,000 and 30,000 at the bottom of the page. Record crowd vs Oregon state was 30,950.
Looks like my original guess of 38k was being generous.
And people think the Pac10 would take Boise if they expanded.
LAUGH. ROLL. FLOOR. PAIN. HA.
If I were them I’d only want Utah (or BYU) and would actually prefer kicking Wazzu out in order to add both Utah schools.
of course its not.
but if they want they respect that is what they have to do. they should just pretend to be independent and schedule all tough games. oh wait, they still make it to a bcs game without doing that. If BSU schedules one tough OOC game and the rest cupcakes (including their conference) then FSU should definitely being doing that.
While other coaches are sleeping Coach Coley is stalking HS football players on their FB and twitter accounts and reading their old book reports.
OOC
And lately it is not like we lose the OOC games. Throwing Flordia aside, because that game is going nowhere. Up until USF this year, we have not lost many OOC games. We beat Alabama, Colorado twice, BYU, and I am forgetting who else. We lose conference games.
OOC
We lost conference games bc we spent all of our energy on winning these OOC games, then didn’t have enough in the tank mentally or physically.
There are swoons for every team every season. Look at every single Nat Champ in the last decade. They did not dominate every game, and scheduling smart will only benefit us.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 7, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
UT 2005
beat Colorado 70-0(or 10) in the Big 12 title game dominated. Also that 2001 Miami team was one of the best ever. USC 2004 was another dominante team. And they opened that season at FedEX field as well against VaTech.
Recently
All the teams dont look good because they play pansies and get false sense of how good they are.
Cherry Pick
Not that I want to relive the decade that wasn’t for FSU, but…
Texas beat Ohio St by 3 and USC by 3 with 10 seconds left. Either game they could have lost.
Miami had to have Ed Reed run back a stripped ball to beat BC and VT missed 2 PT conversion to lose 26-24
Tenn 98- FG at end against Syracuse and someone else the next week
FSU 99- FG at end against Clemson
OKla 00- 3 pts at A&M and 3 pts in Big 12 Champ Game
UM 01- above
Ohio St 02- we all know how many FG the ‘Nuge hit to save them
LSU 03- lost to UF and had to come back at the end to beat 3-8 Ole Miss
USC 04- came back in the 4th against Org St and UCLA
Texas 05-yep
UF 06- lost Aub, 1pt Tenn and 1 pt USC (should have lost if p*thead Moss hadn’t blocked 3 kicks)
LSU 07- loss Kent and Ark, and stopped Tebow on 4th GL to beat UF
UF 08- loss Ole Miss
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 7, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
USC
That USC team was considered one of the best ever. And that Ohio State team went and won a BCS Bowl Game. You don’t expect them to dominate them would you. I am talking about everyone else. Texas smoked every one else. And that game was at the horse shoe. Tough place to win at.
One team out of one hundred every 10 years
Football games require all 11 players doing their job at the same time. Its tough to win, even when you’re clearly the best in terms of talent. Everyone has bad days and good days at work, no difference.
Schedule smart, bc letdowns always occur.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 7, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
This is part of thread from here
My Letter to the FSU Athletic Department: Schedules
by DutchFSU
Dutch, Welcome to TN and good job with your first post. We have talked about this subject before, but I always wondered why we do not take a page out the Turds book and schedule a breather before playing UF.
Let’s take a look at who they play the week before the FSU game since 2002.
2009-the week before playing FSU, they played FIU.
2008-the week before playing FSU, they played The Citadel
2007-the week before playing FSU, they played FAU
2006-the week before playing FSU, they played Western Carolina
2005-the week before playing FSU, they played NO ONE-bye week-prior game So. Carolina
2004-the week before playing FSU, they played NO ONE-bye week-prior game So. Carolina
2003-the week before playing FSU, they played NO ONE-bye week-prior game So. Carolina
2002-the week before playing FSU, they played NO ONE-bye week-prior game So. Carolina
This gives your team a chance to get healthy before the huge in-state rivalry game, and the conference championship game the following week, hopefully.
>——-:——:———>Spear ’em then Scalp ’em
by FrankDNole on Dec 7, 2009 10:39 AM EST
To further Frank’s point
With the expection of 2008 it seems we are in a dogfight the week before the most important game of the year
2009-the week before playing UF, we played Maryland – WIN 29-26
2008-the week before playing UF, we played Maryland – WIN 37-3
2007-the week before playing UF, we played – Maryland – WIN 24-16
2006-the week before playing UF, we played Western Michigan – WIN 28-20
2005-the week before playing UF, we played Clemson – LOSS 35 -14
2004-the week before playing UF, we played NCST – WIN 17-10
2003-the week before playing UF, we played NCST – WIN 50-44
2002-the week before playing UF, we played NCST – LOSS 17-7
It’s a beautiful day in Tallahassee
by RaysnNoles on Dec 7, 2009 11:04 AM EST
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
Can we change next year's schedule??
Or is it already set in stone? Fisher said the schedule will not be the same under his watch- does that mean asap, or does that mean he can change some non conference games that r already scheduled for next year???
by LETSGONOLES on Jan 6, 2010 4:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions
so we wouldn't take a return home game from OU? i doubt that.
we will probably change the upcoming WVU games though. maybe drop air force too. although that would be a good warn up game defending the opton with lesser athletes.
While other coaches are sleeping Coach Coley is stalking HS football players on their FB and twitter accounts and reading their old book reports.
Ok thanks – I can def see 2011 being changed… I actually think the Oklahoma game this year might be good for us – I think they are a little overrated and we are underrated (alot of things riding on our D with that statement), and if we win, it will boost us up there. But in years to come, just like Jimbo said – it (the schedule) HAS to be changed
I don't see us being underrated.
I think the defense will still be horrific, and opponents will know this.
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 6, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
what's next?
Matt drills? Anything for the early signees?
Just FYI, it is mat drills.
Meaning they are pounding the Matt’s relentlessly over and over, hard, fast, and furious.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
by FrankDNole on Jan 6, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh yeah
Mat. So only recruiting and strength/conditioning coach news til mid feb then.
Frank, I hate it when you make a joke and only 2 out of 100 posters get it.
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 6, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
I just set them up and wait for someone to knock them down. All too often they are just left hanging. Thanks for being one of the 2 Randy.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
Clint Trickett:
coach fisher laid down the law in first team meeting, bout time that shit happened to this team.
SCALP 'EM SEMINOLES!
My booster contact said he received a 200K contribution today after Jimbo's presser
CHA CHING
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
Someone was so excited about Jimbo Fisher's presser that they donated 200K to the Seminole Boosters
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
not to hijack the thread
but since you have a booster contact could you briefly and clearly explain the correlation between being a booster and getting season tix including amounts of $$ if possible. thx.
While other coaches are sleeping Coach Coley is stalking HS football players on their FB and twitter accounts and reading their old book reports.
Booster contribution is NOT a requirment to purchase season tickets (although I think it should be)
However the more you contribute over the years the better your tickets can get and the better chances you have at getting Bowl game tickets and away game tickets.
Here are the levels of contributions
If everyone gave just $60 we would have more money than we would know what to do with
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
And if you're not a Booster
You should attempt at starting/donating as a low level Booster and work your way up, if you can.
I worked with a guy who spent $20 a week on white t-shirts from the gas station
Just sayin’….
by The K-Man on Jan 7, 2010 12:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The fact that we have less than 15,000 Boosters is disgusting
If you have a job and are not already a Booster, you should at least be contributing $60. We are all in this together in turning this ship around.
Pinto, I didn't get a chance to tell you the level of appreciation I have for your "booster speech"
Great job.
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 6, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
Im going to sign up this year
I’m going to give 60 dollars. Will that level help with getting ACCG tickets? I wanna do my part to helpin the boys keep it 3rd and Manageable
by 3rdandManageable(VicVanBuren) on Jan 6, 2010 11:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Probably not
But you shouldn’t have a problem buying them before hand.
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
Reading stuff like this makes me want to work in FSU's athletic department.
Anyone currently employed there must be getting excited about things that will trickle down from these changes.
by FSUBrad on Jan 6, 2010 6:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Or packing up their desk because their laziness will no longer be tolerated
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
I may have to move back to Tally for a job...
…and this and a paycheck are the only things that I see as positives about that
Scheduling
Someone call U of Hawaii Athletic Director for Hawaii to travel to FSU! We won’t ever be a national power again unless June Jones comes back! It’ll be an easy Win for the ’Noles.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." - Winston Churchill
by EddieWouldNole13 on Jan 6, 2010 6:08 PM EST reply actions
Yep! Thanks for noticing
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." - Winston Churchill
by EddieWouldNole13 on Jan 6, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
my dad lived in Hawaii and we have "family" over there, so i know way too much about the place lol
"Don't flinch, let's kill a fly with an Axe."
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So are we scraping future schedules?
Does this mean we are going to be altering our schedule for next year?
The only thing I want to see as far as a schedule change is……
1. No games against Miami as an opener.
2. No more Thursday night games. They scare me to death.
I see Jimbo’s point on scheduling, but at the same time one of the reasons I grew up an FSU fan was that we played good teams.
Oh well who knows. Good speech overall.
also hate Thurs games
and playing UM before game #5 or 6.
Would love to play them when we are both 6-0 again like it used to be. Well, as long as we make our FGs I would.
Chop it up Seminoles!
by horsepowernole on Jan 6, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
i think the thursday games only happen when were away to a NC team...not sure why
"Don't flinch, let's kill a fly with an Axe."
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I think the Thurs night games are the ACC's call
I know we’ve told them we don’t want any Thursday night home games, that is why all of our Thursday night games have been away since the Clemson game. Not sure if we would be able to tell them “No Thursday night games at all”. I don’t think its up to us. We may request that, but the ACC wants people to see FSU on Thursday nights. Its good for promoting the ACC. But ideally, I would like to get rid of us playing in Thurs night games too.
What's going on with the surnames here?
Pinto, El Soro?
Pretty soon we’ll have EL Mortillo, Chupacabra, and Rodrigo Dominguez III commenting.
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 6, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
just me
but i love labor day opener against UM
I hate that we're the last game of Labor Day weekend
Seriously, I was watching NCST and S. Carolina that Thursday because of football withdrawal.
true but everyone is talking about having a hard game to start, a hard game to end..
and one in the middle,
cant get better than UM, UF, and OOC in the middle – home/away every other year OR neutral field every year and 2 cupcakes.
plus if we lose to miami 1st game, we still have a shot at NC most years unless 2 schools from BCS conferences goes undefeated.
And 2 BCS schools will go undefeated because they do not scheduele 2 tough OOC games
That is the whole point behind this argument. If everyone else does it to stay undefeated we need to do it too. We already have plenty of meaningful tough games in the ACC that we cannot control. If you add in 2 or 3 tough OOC games there will be brutal stretches of your schedule where you may have back to back really touch opponents like Miami this year with FSU, GT, VT, OU.
How many other teams play their rival the very first game of the year?
There’s a reason nobody else does it. It’s called mid-season form for a reason.
When you play that game on Labor Day, it clouds the perception of who the better team is. The BCS picture (should FSU and Miami ever return) needs no further clouding.
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 7, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
starting with a loss also makes it harder to get into the rankings
I know we have to play Miami, and it’s generally a very good game. It’s just not a good idea to start with them. I don’t see why we keep doing ESPN a favor by giving them a nice important primetime game on Labor Day when they talk trash about us the rest of the season.
Gives fans a reason to look forward to Labor Day.
Plus both teams start healthy, at full capacity, so you get to see who the better team is. A loss to Miami in mid season or late in the season will hurt rankings much more than a loss early on.
i agree with nolelaw
after a loss to miami, we were back in top 20 after BYU game with ability to keep moving up rest of the year.. loss to miami mid-season or late in the season and kiss goodbye to NC hopes. plus next year it might be Fox doing the labor day game.
In theory
This is not an absolute given that an early loss to UM is better.
Most time it works in the losing team’s favor (UM and FSU in the past, VT this year), but what if UM is ranked low at the beginning of the year and is top 5 by the time we play them in Oct? Or if they were top 5 at the beginning and by the time FSU plays them in Oct they’re out of the top 25?
Either way, its terrible to start the season against UM morale wise and potentially injury wise (Cromartie). We’ve been on the winning and losing side of that game and could never fairly judge the talent and system we had in place….Rainbow Offense anyone?
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 7, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
You're the only one...
Absolutely no reason outside of $$$ to play that game that early. Dumb Dumb Dumb
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 7, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Absolutely
If you lose that game it’s such an emotional downturn to start the season that it literally kills the confidence of these kids. You have to start with a team you know you can beat to give the kids confidence in what they have been doing all spring and get all the wrinkles ironed out before you go into a rivalry game with that much importance.
Exactly.I can probably count on one hand the number of fans who want the Miami game on labor day.
As you progress and get better, you have a better working knowledge of how strong your team is before the season starts, and you can get a little hairier with your scheduling, but it should be smooth sailing for a while for FSU.
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 7, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
I have a really big hand...and you know what they say about guys with big hands.
Anyways, I was obviously exaggerating, but I really don’t see that many people in favor of it.
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 7, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
its a terrible idea..
cancel all big games to end of year
if espn doesnt agree, then find another network
if the acc doesnt agree, then leave the acc
leave the ACC?
i really dont think thats an option
Great Article
I think you have a good point by saying that the schedule has to be lighter but in reality you do prevent a let down at the end of the season if you do not prepare yourself with tough games in the season, plus Bowden and FSU got respect by playing the toughest, it worked for about 25 years didn’t it? (He did win over 300 games). Also I think making the Spring matter makes a huge difference because it will make guys worry about losing their spots. I think UF lost to Bama mostly because they didn’t play enough tough games especially playing against FIU (no USF or UM), to me Florida does not deserve the attention it gets. I’m excited about FSU’s future and I hope the coaching staff bonds during this offseason and builds a strong team. I think Jimbo’s pregame talk will be completely different from Bowden’s pregame.
It's really, really different than it was
When Bowden was playing this “anybody anywhere” schedule, we were trying to gain respect. We were Boise State. We had to play and beat the top teams at their place to be considered a top level team. Since the dynasty run, we don’t have to do that anymore. Does UF do it? Texas? Win baby, just win.
>>---l>
by DKfromVA on Jan 6, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I am extremely excited about FSU football!!
After reading this, it just confirms my belief that Jimbo will be a hell of a coach. We will be back sooner rather than later!
Someone correct me if I'm wrong
but I think UF and FSU have to play each other by state law.
What we do in life, echoes in eternity.
i think youre refering to something that happened when ppl were trying to get fsu and uf to play for the first time
if i remember correctly UF fans at the capital wanted to make some sort of legislation that would make the matchup a Gville only affair….ill post t if i can find it…
"Don't flinch, let's kill a fly with an Axe."
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ok i was kinda right...this is from wikipedia...
Almost immediately, pressure began building for the Gators to play the new team in-state. Some believe that it took an act of the Florida state legislature to force the contest to take place. This is not entirely true – a bill demanding a UF vs. FSU football series was proposed in 1955 but was voted down. However, this bill eventually forced the University of Florida to bow to the pressure from state leaders and the teams agreed to schedule a yearly series starting in 1958.3
One of the conditions that the University of Florida put on the agreement was that the contest must always be held in their home stadium, Florida Field in Gainesville. Since 1964, however, the game site has alternated yearly between the Gators’ field and the Seminoles’ home turf of Doak Campbell Stadium in Tallahassee.
"Don't flinch, let's kill a fly with an Axe."
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Thanks NorFla
I grew up with an Uncle who is a lifelong Miami fan. When I asked him about 20 years ago why Miami and Florida didn’t play he said Florida was dodging Miami and would do the same to FSU if state law didn’t prohibit it.
I appreciate your research. I learn something new on this site on a daily basis.
What we do in life, echoes in eternity.
Interesting read from the FSU 1998 media guide
Okay so I decided to dust off and get out a copy of the 1998 media guide which I bought at one of the games I went too in 98.
Anyway I was reading the coaching section and came upon Jeff Bowden biography page. Now what I’m about to type I am quoting from this media guide.
“After a year at FSU as a graduate assistant, Jeff joined Terry at Samford University in Birmingham, AL. He was the Bulldogs offensive coordinator in 1987 and added the title of assistant head coach for the 1988-90 seasons. He is credited with guiding the career of Division III All-America quarterback Jimbo Fisher at Samford.”
Like Johnny Carson would say “I did not know that!”
by sll1728 on Jan 6, 2010 7:09 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
so jimbo comes
from the jeff bowden coaching tree….excellent
While other coaches are sleeping Coach Coley is stalking HS football players on their FB and twitter accounts and reading their old book reports.
Super Article..
This is probably one of the most insightful articles I have read on the state of FSU football in quite awhile! I have tremendous confidence that Jimbo Fisher can pull this transformation off and do it quickly.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free." - - - Ronald Reagan
process vs results mantra
love it! it’s not a new philosophy but it’s been severly lacking at FSU. I had a school teacher tell me that many years ago, and it stuck with me. It use to pop in my head every time we’d throw the ball up in the air and pray Carr would come down with it.
i feel like TN
was the momentum behind some sort of grass roots political revolution. i agree with the comment somewhere above about already knowing about all the issues Coach Fisher addressed today. I love where this team is going and can’t wait to read more first rate writing (and commenting) about the POSITIVE things that are happening with our Noles. i know everyone says this, but it can’t be said enough – keep up the great work guys! i know infinitely more about the Noles today than i did 6 months ago (when i learned about TN) and can’t wait to keep reading. GO NOLES!! JIMBO 2010!!
+1
Talking Seminoles with the average fan, makes me look like a genius because I am on the site all the time lol. Seriously good info alll the time
agreed
didn’t hear about TN until a couple months ago, but i gotta say it’s far and away the best noles site out there. i dont think i need to say why warchant sucks (and i never subscribed), but i do want to say thank you for all those who contribute and make this the best!
BIRTHDAY POWER!
After reading yet another GREAT article on Tomahawk Nation, making me feel like a kid on Christmas morning, I realized two remarkable facts – Jimbo was born on my birthday and he took over the program on my wife’s birthday. You guessed it Noles, we met at THE FLORIDA STATE UNIVERSITY. Seeing that we celebrate our 16th anniversary in 2 hours, you know Jimbo is sent from up above!
F-L-O-R-I-D-A S-T-A-T-E FLORIDA STATE, FLORIDA STATE, FLORIDA STATE!
GO SEMINOLES!!!!
Meyer rumored to ESPN
“" OGGOA has heard a rumor from two very different sources that Meyer was either offered a contract or spoken to by ESPN about working for the "Worldwide Leader in Sports" should he eventually decide not to return to coaching. Not a shocker.”
http://www.onlygators.com/tag/matt-elam/
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
Meyer has the flash and sizzle of a UPS truck.
He’ll need at least 2 years of coaching before he’s ready. The guy is as stiff as a board.
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 6, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
At least he doesn't have a lisp, wear weird glasses, or pick Notre Dame relentlesley.
NOT TO mention that he won’t wave pencils around in anyones face.
Yeah, right!
So you're thinking we'll see a Dr. Urban segment soon?
What about “Professor Meyer”?
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 7, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Unfortunate that this senario would mean the only two highly informed football anylists would be former UF players/coaches.
Palmer is becoming a very well-balanced and accurate comentator. As he and Hirbsteet where the only two who actually got the Bobby Bowden transition right.
Yeah, right!
Jesse might be "becoming" well-balanced and accurate comentator...
But he’s still a giant douche.
As for Herbstreit, he’d be fine once he realizes that there’s nothing special about the Big 10
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 7, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
I think this was the year that Jessie seperated himself personaly.
He was a “douche” to begin with, though.
Herby seems to be catching on slowly but surely.
Yeah, right!
Meh...I don't give them a fair shake mostly because they work for ESPN.
They really grind my gears.
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 7, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
ESPN gets on my nerves too...they have become the loudest voice with the oldest information most of the time.
I remember when the “broke the story” of the Alabama text book scandall. that was being talked about in Birmingham in local news for over a year.
Yeah, right!
Just ESPN taking care of one of their own
Meyer and Craig James will do a special segment each week where they give parenting advice.
Morals Rountable
With special commentary from Harold Reynolds and Steve Phillips?
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 7, 2010 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Harold is innocent...
He broke my heart.
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 7, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
I ran into Steve Lyons drunk as hell once and he said HR was the biggest grab ass and would always get into trouble
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
Allegedly.
But I do love me some Steve Lyons…and I don’t doubt that Harold probably did it. I’m just putting him in the category of “I know he did it, but if I don’t think about it, it doesn’t come to mind when I see him on the Tele.”
The contrary to guys like OJ, Mike Tyson, Tiger, etc…although the crimes are far more seriousl
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 7, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
The same crime that Tiger committed.
Grabass.
Crime is a relative term. Obviously your screen name implies that you are taking my statement far to literally and baiting an argument. It won’t work.
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 7, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
I think its over done
and I feel sorry for Tiger
he has had everything cut off, head to toe.
thats not the way i want to have tiger
i wish people would just let him be.
You sound like the Chris guy who wants everyone to leave Brittany alone. JK
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
It says a lot for ESPN compassion
Putting a basket case on the airwaves!
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
Seriously
How did this guy miss the Jim Jones/Stargate crew?
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
Heaven's gate? the Applewhite crew, lol
If you see him walking around town in a pair of black and white nike’s and a black track suit, you know he’s about ready to fly up outta here.
Getting back to scheduling
Why play Miami twice? Seems to me this has 4 outcomes. We sweep, we’re swept, we split & win rematch, we split & lose rematch. 3 of 4 are bad in terms of getting to MNC (and good outcome means we have a loss). Do we have to play UM during regular season? I say # 1 goal should be getting to ACC title game. If Miami makes it too, sets up game that rivals SECCG. Secondary benefit is that Miami loses home sellout / prestige game with us, putting one more nail in their coffin. We fill open schedule slot with second OOC quality game (hopefully intersectional). Make sense? Possible?
Too Late to Change
Just like UF has LSU as their permanant West Division opponent (to promote that rivalry) we understanably chose UM as our permanant Coastal opponent. Would it be better if it was Duke? Obviously, but $$ talks.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 7, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
UF vs LSU
When SEC expanded and split into two divisions, as a fan I thought it was a shame that UF no longer played Auburn annually. That rivalry was far better. I’m sure the fact that LSU had no “real” eastern rival and at the time was the weaker opponent played into decision to make them permanent opponent for UF. $$$$ should talk and someone from the ACC should be thinking about making the ACCCG both relevant and a cash cow. Short term they would lose conferences only “real” marquee matchup, but long term they may have cities actually vying to host the game and fans tuning in to watch.
The days FSU is worried about Miami are coming to an end
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
I think this is another reason that Jimbo seems intent on undermining their South FL recruiting.
Beat them before they get on the feild and you may only have to play them once.
Yeah, right!
DB Coach?
No DB coach was mentioned. This leaves that position open for next year and I think that we should hire TBuck at a permenant position next year. This allows us to show the 100 all americans that came before that we havent forgotten about them. TBUCK for a JOB.
We're at our coach maximum
TBUCK will be a GA for another year, but I doubt we remove somebody to retain him after that. He had shoddy technique at best.
>>---l>
Stoops
DC and DB coach
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 7, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
NO
We are not a charity nor a museum. Tbuck had horrible technique as a player and no coaching ezperience. Stoops will coach DB’s. We need to stop worrying about the past.
Man. I LOVED that guy!
Anyone remember the Miami game where he went 99 yards to start the thing? Beautiful
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 7, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, he was a walk-on at the time, and the announcers didn't even have him listed as the returner.
they were fumbling around trying to find out the kids name! LOL
Yeah, right!
Hell, I don't think we EVER got it right.
Was it Ta MARE ick or TAM ah rick?
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 7, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Not a walk on, by any means. Went to Leon in Tallahassee.
Everyone was surprised he picked up over Miami, though.
"I got lotsa friends in ball...But I don't wanna coach with them"
TBuck = gone in 2011
by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 7, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Wow and to think I had Chris Rix penciled in as defensive back coach
Seriously are Dawsey and Odell Haggins not former FSU football players? You can’t make up an entire staff of former players. Fisher by the way is bringing in a former player of his, Craig who he turned into the first 3000 yard passer in Auburn history. I am quite confident he understands Fisher’s coaching methods and it does show Fisher does not forget former players he considers worthy.
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
Dawsey proved himself as a WR coach elsewhere and worked with Fisher before.
Odell has, I suspect, 1 year without Amato and Allen dragging him down to prove he belongs in Jimbo’s League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. He going to have to work harder and smarter as a coach than he ever has.
"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." Jack Handy
he "is"
dadgum no edit key.
"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." Jack Handy
IS IT NEXT SEASON YET!!!! I'M READY TO GET THIS STARTED!!!
He bleeds Garnet and Gold, She bleeds Crimson and White. AND THEY BOTH HATE ORANGE! GO NOLES!! ROLL TIDE!!
ha.. same here..
why do they need to have “seasons” anyways? it should be a yearlong thing with maybe a month off in december and may for exams.. lol
Awesome post!
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enough said.
Unconquered 2010 GO NOLES !
alabama wins nc in 3 years
now that is a good example to follow..
I hope Fisher learned something there. and I am sure he did!
go noles..
FSU back soon.
IMO we are better off now than Bama was when Saban got there
But at the same time I am not sure Fisher can be as good as Saban. I am hoping he will be better than Satan because I F***ing hate Satan. I think Fisher has the best qualities from Saban (How to run a program and be successful in today’s CFB) and the best from old BB (Media savvy and a personality that Satan lacks). Future looks bright.
Not to mention our road is always easier than Bama’s since we are not in the SEC. At least it will be when Fisher starts scheduling easier OOC games.
Just my $0.02
Thank God we now have a real coach
The more I reflect on the lost decade – the more I resent BB – so glad he’s gone. I look forward to FSUs return to national prominence with a top shelf program run with class and integrity.

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