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Vic Viloria is Florida State's New Strength & Conditioning Coach

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Over a month ago in the "what changes will Jimbo Fisher make" article, Tomahawk Nation suggested that Florida State would hire a disciple of LSU strength and conditioning coach Tommy Moffit, if they could not steal Moffit himself away from the Tigers.  The two most likely candidates were Vic Viloria of SMU and another from Western Kentucky.  A source close to the situation informs us that the hire has been made and Vic Viloria is Jimbo Fisher's man, replacing Todd Stroud, who was not retained.  Viloria has also been influenced by coach Hatch, who stresses creating functional power over sheer numbers.  He is considered a student of the S&C game, and while he looks like your traditional strength coach, he is not a meat head. 

Viloria could not immediately be reached for comment, but one source familiar with S&C has this to say:

..., but Vic Viloria is the Godfather of college S&C right now.   As a student, fan, and practitioner of S&C myself, I will be PSYCHED if/when they land him.

Watch the video (below) of the athletes he had to work with at SMU, and then compare then to what he walks into at Florida State—there is no comparison. From a S&C standpoint, the FSU guys are already "pretty good". Stroud was a decent strength coach. Difference is, now they have an AWESOME strength coach, coupled with a nutritional program (potentially 60% of the equation, or more), and a unified, focused change in the tone & atmosphere of the program.

Vic need to build functional strength….and he will. No point in benching 450 pounds if you cannot hold up at the point of attack (Budd Thacker).  He needs to tailor the program to emphasize function over stats, and he will. No point in squatting 550 pounds if you lack the hip girdle flexibility to stay with a back in coverage or maneuver around the trash to make a play (Bradham).  [Editor's note:  Bradham worked a lot on his flexibility in the off-season and it showed this year, so Stroud should receive credit for that.]

Viloria was an assistant on Moffit's national champion LSU team.  Fisher was the offensive coordinator of that team under Nick Saban.  Moffitt is highly regarded in the S&C community, and when Saban needed a S&C coach at Alabama, he pursued another former Moffit assistant, Scott Cochran, who has done a phenomenal job for the Tide.  Viloria is expected to start immediately and, paired with the new nutrition program, is expected to make the 'Noles much bigger come next year. 

For more on the Hatch system, consider the work of Tommy Moffitt, the premier Hatch disciple in the college game:

"Four years after Tennessee installed the Hatch system, they won the national championship (1998)," Hatch said. "Four years after Miami installed the Hatch system, they won the national championship (2001).

"Four years after LSU installed it, LSU won the national championship (2003)."

A few years after USC installed it, they won the 2004 national championship.  (Coach Carlisle)

And in its 3rd year under the Hatch system run by Moffitt disciple Scott Cochran, Alabama won the National Championship this year (2009).

Viloria is expected to install what is known as the 4th quarter program, currently used by LSU and Alabama:

Hatch's system ignores the trendy machines of the high-tech age and the emphasis on bodybuilding techniques embraced by the likes of Charles Atlas and Arnold Schwarzenegger. Hatch combined Olympic lifts of free weights with plyometric and jumping drills to develop explosive strength for football players.

"Pure strength that can't be converted to athletic strength is of no use to an athlete," Hatch said, launching into an example using a former LSU football player. "A delivery man can move a refrigerator 10 yards, but he can't move it as fast as (former LSU defensive lineman) Booger McFarland can move it 10 yards.

"In Olympic-style lifts, you're standing on your feet. That's the way you play football. You're not laying on your back like you would for a bench press."

The Hatch system focuses on overall explosive strength and doesn't target body parts the way bodybuilders sculpt themselves for on-stage posing or the beach.

"In Olympic lifting and in football, your body is working as a single unit," Hatch said. "You don't use your hamstrings on one play and your pecs the next."

Football players do specific leg, hip and back work, but it's part of a system that strengthens those areas for better explosive strength in competition. Hatch said the system also demands -- and exacts -- mental toughness.

Athletes that have trained with Coach Hatch have great respect for him and are quick to sing his praises. Warrick Dunn seeked out Coach Hatch the summer of his senior year in high school. His mother, Betty Smothers a Baton Rouge police woman, was shot and killed and suddenly Warrick's role as big brother to his five younger siblings changed to that of a father figure. His approach to football also changed. There were goals and hopes and dreams of making it big at F.S.U. and being drafted by the N.F.L. Dunn continued to train with Coach Hatch each summer during his college career and his explosive strength improved each year while keeping his quickness and speed.

Defensive tackle Chad Lavalais, a consensus All-America [LSU 2001], said the LSU strength and conditioning program, including an offseason running program that features Saban's infamous series of 110-yard sprints, 26 at a time, is the most demanding physical test he's ever endured.

"I'm not saying it's impossible to do," Lavalais said. "You can do it, but they make it so hard to where the games come easy. There's no game I've played in that's as hard as the 110s that we run in the offseason.

"That's a testament to the coaching staff, the strength coaches. If you go out there with the mindset that you want to get better and try to kill all these sprints and the weight training we do, when it comes time for the game, it's a breeze."

Lavalais said players on other teams say they don't do nearly as much as the Tigers. Then he laughs, like someone with a satisfying secret.  Source:  lhttp://www.gaylehatch.com/HatchingAChampion.htm

Florida State's players have been considered very undersized for some time now, and last season an NFL scout came out with comments on ProFootballTalk.com that said "their development program is a joke.  I have no idea what they do with their guys." 

Many felt that Florida State focused too much on conditioning and not enough on strength, specifically functional strength.  That was exacerbated by the decision by the departed staff to focus on speed as opposed to speed and size in the recruiting game as the program began to fall apart, and the previous staff was unable to reel in the recruits possessing size and strength.  That issue is being addressed under the new administration.  

While strength and conditioning progressed in the 1990's-2000's, FSU had a major drop off under Coach Jost, under whom Florida State's strength program took a massive nose dive with his archaic and inefficient methods.  Another problem was the complete lack of syngery between the strength coach and the position coaches.  Under the new regime, players who do not fully buy in will not be retained (see above linked article).  While Todd Stroud was not a bad S&C coach, he is not on Viloria's level.  

Here is some background on Viloria, courtesy SMUMustangs.com:

A Mustang through and through, Vic Viloria is in his third season as SMU's Head Strength & Conditioning Coach He arrived at SMU after serving as an assistant strength & conditioning coach at LSU for two years where he worked with the Tiger football, baseball, swimming and golf teams.

Viloria, a graduate of SMU, was a four-year letterman and three-year All-WAC performer as a Mustang player. He led SMU in tackles for three straight seasons and recorded at least 10 tackles in 21 games over his career before being drafted by the Scottish Claymores of NFL Europe.

A native of Chalmette, La., Viloria is married to the former Randi Taylor, a former SMU sprinter. They are the proud parents of a daughter, Taylor Ann, and also have two dogs, Lucy and Rocky

It is also interesting to note that Viloria was the only major member of the Mustang staff retained by SMU's new head coach, June Jones.

Here is a video of Viloria outlining his philosophies.  This is considered an excellent hire.

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Nice!

Let the mafia jokes begin…

This guy also sounds like he was a pretty damn good football player himself back in the day. Another football mind never hurts.

Young guy, fits the Jimba mold, came from his alma mater to builda championship caliber team.

Welcome, Vic (and Family)…glad to have you on board.

by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 9, 2010 4:55 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Welcome to 'the family' Vic.

He is ‘The Godfather’ of S&C, after all.

by Aussierat on Jan 9, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

So nice to have the coaching staff rounded out

So excited about the Fisher era!

We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.

by NoleThruandThru on Jan 9, 2010 4:56 PM EST reply actions  

Expected

But good to get the confirmation.

by Mateo9399 on Jan 9, 2010 4:59 PM EST reply actions  

He'll fit right in...

with the FSU tradition: increase player power. Power = strength + speed.

Signed: bitter and confused over FU’s #1 2010 recruiting class!

The Fisher era has begun!

by TLHWG on Jan 9, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

S&C

From what I understand we have not had a great one since Richt took ours to Georiga, correct?

by Mateo9399 on Jan 9, 2010 5:02 PM EST reply actions  

Jost was absolutely atrocious

Stroud was an upgrade, but Viloria is an excellent hire

We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.

by NoleThruandThru on Jan 9, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it just me...

Or could that possibly be a photoshopped image of Hudson with an SMU shirt on?

FWIW we’d be a lot scarier team if every coach would shave their head and wear Garnet and Gold Oakley M-Frames.

by Randall W. Spetman on Jan 9, 2010 5:08 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing lol

"You guys don't know the difference between a football and a bunch of bananas." John Mckay

by FSU4me on Jan 10, 2010 8:29 AM EST up reply actions  

My vote would be yes.

Adidas does sell SMU gear, but none that I found on the web in plain gray with a white border around the “SMU” and no such trim on the Adidas logo. In fact, none of the Adidas shirts simply said SMU on them. SMU Football, SMU Mustangs, etc.

Also, theres no wrinkling in the letters. None that I can see, anyway.

I bleed Garnet and piss Gold.

by DutchFSU on Jan 10, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Will our improvement in S&C occur faster than it did at alabama?

When you look at videos of the bama games when Saban got there and compare their guys to ours, our current players look like they are in better shape.

by revival on Jan 9, 2010 5:10 PM EST reply actions  

I love this.

The benefits are gonna trickle down throughout the Athletic Dept. from Track to Fencing.

by willdabeast on Jan 9, 2010 5:11 PM EST reply actions  

Great News

Really looking forward to seeing what he can do with our kids. What he says about strength vs. power in the video is great to hear.

by GregJones on Jan 9, 2010 5:11 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah but the guys in the Vid doing curls are moving way to much.

Not that it matters alot but you re supposed to have minimal movement back and forth

class of 99

by xWd40x on Jan 9, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe

that kind of form matters when you’re isolating strength development, but when you’re building overall power and quickness I doubt it matters as much. I don’t really care what they do – he can have them out there hitting tires with sledgehammers and punching sides of beef for all I care – as long as I see results.

by GregJones on Jan 9, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Mr. Jones

you should know about that Mr. Battery Creek…whats good? where yall boys Jacob and Devin..I havent seen them since Savannah..

by SCNole21 on Jan 9, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

It still matters.

When you rock like that you use your own momentum to lift the weight as opposed to using your actual muscles. I would be getting all over my players if I saw them doing that.

by tricknole on Jan 9, 2010 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Cant watch the video

I cant watch the video because I live in China, and it is difficult to download some sites.

With that said is it possible that they are just “cheating” the last few reps to squeeze out a few more reps? I do that sometime and see good results. But then again it could be the “supplements” that I take that are cheap and legal.

This is an awesome hire, and I cant wait to see the results especially on the O and D lines.

by LincolnHighNole on Jan 10, 2010 12:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I wondered that myself when I watched that video a month ago.

A lot of bouncing of weights and rocky of the body in multiple lifts.

by tricknole on Jan 9, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I was shocked to see the guy doing curls

Not normally a staple of this protocol … Curling is for beach muscles - we will be developing functional strength that makes athletes more explosive/athletic - I LOVE this hire … especially when a guy uproots to leave his own Alma Mater!

by Cigar City Nole on Jan 9, 2010 10:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Just visited Coach Hatch's website...

I didn’t know he worked with Warrick Dunn. Also a very impressive list of former students (ie… now S&C guys).

by Diablo_2 on Jan 9, 2010 5:37 PM EST reply actions  

I have to say

that this really gets me excited. This guy is going to have a chance to come in here and spend months working on our gifted athletes in the prime of their lives before next season. We’re going to feed them right and they’re going to get big. I’ve seen some incredible transformations take place in that kind of time and that’s not even taking into account the base you’re starting with in this particular case.

These are exciting times, Seminoles.

by GregJones on Jan 9, 2010 5:42 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks!

Signed up recently, long time reader and huge fan. And yeah, obviously a huge Greg Jones fan. Not a bad target to aim for with our guys, why not aim high?

by GregJones on Jan 9, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep

Dockett should’ve known better than to mess with him, everyone knew he was a beast. Speaking of beasts, I almost picked Dan Kendra for my username, remember that guy? I saw him once back in the 90’s at the Publix on Pensacola and he was enormous. I couldn’t believe he was a QB.

by GregJones on Jan 9, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

From the article
Viloria is expected to start immediately and paired with the new nutrition program, is expected to make the ’Noles much bigger come next year.

"Kill a fly with an axe"

by SteadfastNole on Jan 9, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Like GregJones said

Spring will be enough to start seeing changes

class of 99

by xWd40x on Jan 9, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Results

I don’t think we have as big a jump to make as Bama did 3 years ago. Our D-Line manhandled their O-line in that game back in ’07. I think Stroud got the ball rolling, but Vic is going to take it to the next leve with his nutrition and powerlifting philosophy. I heard Warrick Dunn say in an interview that he credits his health (lack of injuries) througout his carrer to his powerlifting practices.

by BossNole on Jan 9, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice

Im excited to see how our players develop

by TCHOP561 on Jan 9, 2010 5:46 PM EST reply actions  

I posted in another fanpost a snapshot of

size gains for the signing class of ’08 from the listed sizes from a recruiting site to the time the players had been at SMU a year (from the August ’09 roster). To do it quick, I did it for positions where size is more critical – OL, DL, DE, LB and TE.

Some made some nice gains, and of course you’d expect some to have to lose fat – the sample size was 10, 2 lost weight, 1 was the same, another gained only six lbs (256 to 262). But the others were impressive gains. One 6’6" DE was listed on signing day ‘08 as 220, but listed last fall’s roster as 280!

by Wild@Heart Nole on Jan 9, 2010 6:11 PM EST reply actions  

New nutrition program?

Does this mean the nutrition program has been reworked, or that it never existed before? And if its never existed before, how the hell is that possible?

by NoleDBA00 on Jan 9, 2010 7:19 PM EST reply actions  

wow...

I guess that would explain a lot… including our non existent presence in the NFL draft.

by NoleDBA00 on Jan 9, 2010 7:35 PM EST reply actions  

Hell yea!

He looks like the prototype S&C coach. He sounds like he knows his shit too.

by fsunole23 on Jan 9, 2010 7:46 PM EST reply actions  

Bama vs. Texas

It looked like Bama was 20 to 25 pounds heavier at most every position. They also looked a lot stronger and more powerful. The Longhorns had some very talented players but looked like the jv team against the varsity in terms of size. Sounds like FSU is going to start looking like a varsity team also. This is a great place to make some quick strides forward.

by Jbeau on Jan 9, 2010 8:09 PM EST reply actions  

That picture of him is frightening.

ITs always good to see a coach that looks the part.

by Miaminole on Jan 9, 2010 8:12 PM EST reply actions  

Just a FYI about "cheating" with weights..

in some cases it is absolutely fine to do. Especially when doing a ‘worthless’ exercise like curls, provided you are cheating correctly. Strict form that isolates single muscle groups is great for bodybuilding, not so much in explosive sport training (some outliers exist). However, if wanting to pack on mass then curls may be of some small use.

by Ultfight on Jan 9, 2010 8:15 PM EST reply actions  

No prob! Fantastic site btw.. Did my undergrad in Ex Phys at FSU like a lot of people...

and coupled with my time working as a manager at the Leach and at Golds Gym gave me a decent (although in retrospect, very basic) foundation in strength training. I used to compete in MMA and contacted Charlie Melton, who at the time was a S&C coach at FSU. He exposed me to a whole new world of sport specific/high velocity training methods, and resources to tap.

Long story short, went on to get my CSCS certification and was the S&C coach for a few different MMA gyms for awhile.. until my inner accountant came calling and I went back to school for my Masters.. :-)

by Ultfight on Jan 10, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

I tend to trust a guy that does this for a living more than a few posters who read Muscle and Fitness and are now experts in weightlifting techniques. On that note, the slight rocking during the barbell curl shown in the video can prevent low back injuries, but no one mentioned that. I think if Vic is not satisfied with their form, Vic will let them know…

by BossNole on Jan 9, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Great hire.

Some if us heard about Vic being a possibility a couple of months ago and I am glad we were able to bring him in. If he is as good of Cochran, we will be monster by 2011-2012.

by Nolebra Kai on Jan 9, 2010 8:36 PM EST reply actions  

Awesome, we have a complete staff.

And Now it’s time for everyone to heed Pinto’s call and join the boosters. That’s one thing we fans can actually do to speed along our return to relevance.

by Nole2005 on Jan 9, 2010 8:45 PM EST reply actions  

I have said it before

The FSU fans and posters here are great. People you make my day

" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."

" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!

The process begins!

by DocHoliday2 on Jan 9, 2010 9:05 PM EST reply actions  

Forgettaboutit Vic

Whip these boys into shape VIC! I want bruisers on the field killing everybody! Let the paramedics sort em out. Welcome to the family Vic Keep it 3rd and Manageable.

by 3rdandManageable(VicVanBuren) on Jan 9, 2010 9:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Bud

Let me know the limit on Photo pics, I am in the middle of a real creative cycle here! LOL

" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."

" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!

The process begins!

by DocHoliday2 on Jan 9, 2010 9:12 PM EST reply actions  

Gotcha

Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket

" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."

" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!

The process begins!

by DocHoliday2 on Jan 9, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Knock off the jokes

You can get hurt that way.

Do the right thing!

" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."

" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!

The process begins!

by DocHoliday2 on Jan 9, 2010 9:47 PM EST reply actions  

I got quoted for the story??

Suh-WEEEEEEEEEEEET-UHHHHhhhhhhhhhh…………!!!

:D

Oderint Dum Metuant

by DRusso97 on Jan 9, 2010 11:31 PM EST reply actions  

If I had to guess

my answer would be yes. I think. Not sure, though.

I bleed Garnet and piss Gold.

by DutchFSU on Jan 10, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

HELL YEAH!!!

(Feel free to quote me by name next time or link to my YouTube, LOL)

:D

Oderint Dum Metuant

by DRusso97 on Jan 11, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Expect results

Watch the video of the athletes he had to work with @ SMU, and then compare then to what he walks into @ Florida State—there is no comparison. From a S&C standpoint, the FSU guys are already “pretty good”. Stroud was a decent strength coach. Difference is, now they have an AWESOME strength coach, coupled with a nutritional program (potentially 60% of the equation, or more), and a unified, focused change in the tone & atmosphere of the program.

Vic need to build functional strength….and he will. No point in benching 450 pounds if you cannot hold up @ the point of attack, Budd.
He needs to tailor the program to emphasize function over stats, and he will. No point in squatting 550 pounds if you lack the hip girdle flexibility to stay with a back in coverage or maneuver around the trash to make a play Nigel.

Oderint Dum Metuant

by DRusso97 on Jan 9, 2010 11:38 PM EST reply actions  

Couldn't agree more

It’s east for a S&C coach to get bench results, and that looks good for the coach, but not for the athlete.

by Bud Elliott on Jan 9, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Could not agree more...

I read an article awhile back by FSUncensored I believe, and he stated our need for a nutritional program; I nearly fell out of my seat as I could not fathom our football program not having a program instituted. I knew the other sports did not have one in place, but it never occured to me in every conversation Ive had with a player or S&C coach to ask about that. I just assumed our fb program had one.

I think Jimbo made the statement about having a nice car and the need for putting high-quality fuel in it, and he could not be more correct. That alone is going to pay monumental dividends, IMO. Proper nutrition and adequate rest is just as important as the correct training regimen.

by Ultfight on Jan 10, 2010 12:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I've heard differing accounts on this

and they differ from “FSU does not have one at all (true in non-fb sports for sure)”, to “it is a joke.”

by Bud Elliott on Jan 10, 2010 1:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Another GREAT article!

Wow … I really appreciate these updates — looking forward to how this guy’s system will positively develop our athletes

by Cigar City Nole on Jan 9, 2010 11:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Smiley with strength+ speed = Greg jones 2

by DesiNole on Jan 10, 2010 1:12 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Wow..

Impressive research on the Hatch lineage. Olympic lifting is so important and translates so well in virtually any sport, especially football where you give maximal effort for 5-7 seconds. Alvin Roy was Hatch’s mentor back in the ’50s and was one of, if not the first, to incorporate this into sport training..

As an aside, a buddy of mine was a volunteer S&C assistant for FSU when Nigel B came in as a freshman and he told me this story shortly after Bradham was on campus and lifting: Nigel was attempting to practice cleans at some crazy-heavy weight (cant remember the exact number, but it was enough to make my jaw drop). Well his form was apparently atrocious (again, he just got on campus), but that didnt stop him from essentially performing upright-rows into the catch position with this obscene weight like it was nothing. No explosion, no struggling, just nice and smooth, for reps… My friend said he’s never seen anything like it, and its just a testament to Nigel’s natural athleticism.

by Ultfight on Jan 10, 2010 2:11 AM EST reply actions  

Bingo

Someone who has been around since pre-Bobby told me Nigel is the only backer we’ve had that came close to Shade Tree (Marvin Jones) when it comes to weight room work.

by Bud Elliott on Jan 10, 2010 2:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Is it a good thing or a bad thing...

…if I crapped my pants when I saw Vic’s picture?

by Pinto on Jan 10, 2010 9:32 AM EST reply actions  

That helps explain Warrick Dunn

His strength, speed and agility for a guy 5-8 was simply phenomenal. I had no idea he was working out in the summers under the Moffitt system in LA.

" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."

" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!

The process begins!

by DocHoliday2 on Jan 10, 2010 10:46 AM EST reply actions  

I'm Amazed

I can’t believe we didn’t have a nutritionist on staff. I figured most teams did. I am really excited about the new coaching staff, the new s&c coach, and also the mental strengthening program. I think that all of these improvements will provide the results the Seminolenation has been longing for. We should be back in no time and should close the gap in recruiting fairly quickly.

by NoleySmokes on Jan 10, 2010 8:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Rocky

A pic of Vic’s Dog Rocky. I’m still looking for Lucy.
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Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.

by onebarrelrum on Jan 11, 2010 10:58 AM EST reply actions  

Tripple Failure? or did I figure it out?

Think this worked. I had to go all the way back to the Aug article to figure it out. HAHA. Search tool on this site actually works just fine.

Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.

by onebarrelrum on Jan 11, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

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