Florida State Scalps Miami 45-17
by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 4:41 AM EDT
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Florida State came out and dominated the Miami Hurricanes from the opening snap. In a game few believed FSU would win and in which nobody would have predicted a blowout win for FSU, the 'Noles did just that.
The Seminoles' offense torched Miami for an incredible 471 yards on just 60 plays. That's an amazing 7.85 yards per play, which is considerably more than Miami had given up in 20 games. Florida State clearly sandbagged in its previous three games over lesser opponents, choosing to work on specific aspects of its game while holding back a lot of plays. The first FSU score came on a quick screen to running back Jermaine Thomas-- a play FSU hadn't run this season or last (if my memory serves). FSU used quick-hitting plays to keep Miami off balance.
It was expected that Florida State would have good play-calling against Miami as Jimbo Fisher has always had Randy Shannon's number. But what no prognosticator foresaw was the dominant performance turned in by Florida State's right tackle Zebrie Sanders. The junior from Ohio made the Miami's All-American Allen Bailey seem like an afterthought. Sanders has had an up-and-down career at Florida State and it's likely FSU's own coaches didn't expect that. Right guard David Spurlock didn't make the multiple mental errors FSU had come to expect from him. Left tackle Andrew Datko returned from his shoulder injury and was good in pass protection against Miami's many talented ends. It also took the Canes a comically-long time to realize that FSU could not run left behind Datko. Florida State's offensive line had played poorly in pass protection this year, but on Saturday night they dominated Miami's defensive front of future pros.
Florida State's backs had a very productive night behind that line. Jermaine Thomas, Lonnie Pryor, and Chris Thompson all ran hard and protected the football. The backs pressed the edge and when Miami over-pursued, they cut back against the grain. FSU's backs might not have elite talent, but they are well coached by Eddie Gran and really seem to be hitting their stride over the last four games. Fullback Lonnie Pryor is really an all-purpose all-star with his running, catching, and blocking. 298 yards rushing is an incredible number and credit is due to the entire offense for that effort.
Christian Ponder and the receivers were solid but unspectacular. They didn't make crucial mistakes. Ponder completed 12 of 21 passes for 173 yards, but 8 of the 12 completions went for first downs.
The defense, an abomination just a season ago, was quite good as it held the 'Canes to only 5.0 yards per play (424 on 85). In the preview we noted that FSU would need to play conservatively and make Jacory Harris throw to the sidelines and not deep down the middle because his arm is average at best. The 'Noles did just that, and the plan worked even better because FSU got a few early stops against the run. Miami should have stuck with the run game, but it didn't and that played right into FSU's hands.
Like a powerful fighter with no boxing technique, Harris repeatedly swung for the knockout without properly setting it up. Miami threw the ball an incredibly dumb 49 times, completing only 20. That was good for a QB rating of 75, the best pass defense for the 'Noles in 27 games. The 'Noles disregarded Harris' play-action fakes because they were content to give Miami short gains in order to avoid surrendering the big play.
FSU's defensive line leads the nation in sacks with 26 and was repeatedly held all game, notching just one sack. But the coverage was very good. Corners Xavier Rhodes, Greg Reid, and Mike Harris played excellent games, blanketing and harassing Miami's receivers all game long. The Cane receivers were clearly rattled and then dropped at least three passes later in the game. Freshman Lamarcus Joyner filled in for Rhodes in the second half and played very well, corralling an interception late. Florida State's safeties did their jobs of not allowing Miami's receivers to get behind them even if it meant a medium-length gain.
Florida State's special teams were incredible, as kicker Dustin Hopkins and punter Shawn Powell repeatedly pinned Miami at its 20 or worse.
Anticipating a big win, Miami invited many recruits to the game. It was a disastrous move. FSU soundly out-recruited Miami last cycle and is absolutely dominating the Canes this time. It'll likely get worse for Miami as mega-recruit Nick O'Leary was seen hanging outside FSU's locker-room after the game. Miami did not want to play disciplined, physical football. FSU didn't talk about swag. Instead, the 'Noles kept Miami off-balance with play-calling and hit, hit, hit. Recruits saw that and the ABC crew even called Miami out for quitting on national TV.
FSU is now 5-1 and 3-0 in the ACC. There's an excellent chance that the 'Noles will win the Atlantic Division for the first time in half-a-decade. FSU now plays a noon game against a BC team that features a good defense and a terrible offense.
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Nice article. Go Noles!
GO NOLES!!! SCALP EM!
by NOLEFAN1 on Oct 10, 2010 4:50 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Nice summary
Question: what was up with everyone losing their cleats, every team wears those same cleats but it seemed like someone was losing their shoe every other series? Something having yi do with the field perhaps?
by gabejones on Oct 10, 2010 4:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Also
I think they said they were wearing really low shoes to help make their cuts and other moves. I am pretty sure Heather reported that from the sideline. Have to watch the game again.
Yes
They reported that both FSU and UM equipment managers stated that the position guys liked wearing low tops for speed, but the trench guys wore high tops, which is why they weren’t losing their shoes, but the position guys were.
Why doesn't it happen every game than?
that confused me.
New sod
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
he lost his shoe too
thats some ernie simms shit right there
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Oct 10, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he would have caught him if he hadn't lost the boot.
Good Lord that Nigel is fast
Imagine if/when he learns to harness his physical gifts....
With some minor tweaks this offseason he could turn into the Beast of all Beasts and contend for the Butkus next year.
Oderint Dum Metuant
"Stop chasing him you idiot and get off the field,"
I know it’s hard to stop the competitive juices, but you’re risking your life to make a tackle. Rule changes needed yesterday:
- A team should be penalized 15 yards if their player (non-ball carrier) attempts to continue a play without a helment.
- A team should be penalized 15 yards for any contact with a non-ball carrier without a helment.
- Play should be blown dead if ball carrier loses helmet.
The last rule is already in place
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Oct 11, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't say enough about the line and the backs
They were just on a different level tonight, especially the running backs. Miami just couldn’t seem to keep up and the backs reached the second level of the D way easier than I thought possible on a bunch of runs. They were making guys miss all night. Who knew we’d need Ponder in the supplemental role here?
I was really hoping we’d outcoach them, and I think that showed up as our D always seemed to be in pretty good position (Imagine if we had picked off that screen pass when it was 21-0?). But I can’t believe we did so well against a talented (but poorly coached) team. Miami looked OFF all night (but maybe that’s a “U-Thing” that I don’t understand).
I’ll admit, I never saw this coming. WHAT A GAME, NOLES!
Thankful
I posted this week that I thought FSU had more fight than I can remember and that I thought the team was taking on the attitude of their head coach. Well they proved me right this week. They were tough, hard hitting, and high energy. What a win for Coach Fisher and this program.
The defense brought the smoke all night. Miami dropped passes because they were getting lit up every single time the ball was snapped. Really can’t say enough at this point. Fans at the game were outstanding as well…Great to be a Nole!
Agreed
We always say that no team “wants it more” because everyone wants to win especially in a rivalry like this, but it sure looked to be the difference in this game especially in the first half.
"I wish you loved me as much as you love TomahawkNation!"
by freshcollegeboy on Oct 10, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
ABSOLUTELY saw UM receivers lacking fight as the game went on.
But they were also getting ROCKED. Hankerson & 47 got beat the F up.
Oderint Dum Metuant
Why are there no pics/vids of Harris' hit on Byrd (#47)?
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
There probably are....
…But they are trademarked by 1 of those douchy FSU paysites, and they are being dicks about it getting out, like the Ponder flashing the “U” picture.
Oderint Dum Metuant
Congratulations, Seminoles.
Thanks for an entertaining day.
I like your focus. I like how you make your statements on the field.
Keep at it. It would be fun to have more weekends like this, yes?
45 looks like a lucky number for you, Jimbo. Happy birthday.
Abiaka Windclan
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by Abiaka Windclan on Oct 10, 2010 5:18 AM EDT reply actions
HOW SWEET IT IS
Well, I have repeatedly said that I thought we were deliberately calling plays to get the new receivers involved. Rodney Smith TD was beautiful. I was really disappointed in Bert Reid, what has happened to him?
That we were playing so many Defensive players, I couldn’t keep up with who was in the game and that would pay off. #20 Joyner made a few mistakes, but in the end he made a play and proved that he is going to be a great player.
Coach Fisher completely outcoached the Miami Coach, which I’m very happy about. I think it proves the coach in waiting idea has worked like a dream.
The whole team played LIKE NOLES SHOULD PLAY- GO NOLES!!!!
I could not believe the unnecessary roughness call against Joyner.
On the replay, the Miami player gets hit with his foot firmly planted in bounds….yet Joyner gets called for an illegal hit.
Did you ever even play the game? I guarantee I can coach my Little League team to beat yours 10 times out of 10.
by Caveman Mafia on Oct 10, 2010 6:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree. Joyner is not getting any close calls.
What is unfortunate is, it seems to be effecting his play somewhat.
Gripper
Actually, given the amount of "close" calls that haven't gone our way
I think the defense has done a very good job of shugging them off and still going hard the next play. Joyner is young but he is playing that position really well, better than most of us expected I think.
Saw Peter Warrick play once. The rest is history...
Ya, bad call
Also, Bradham’s unnecessary roughness penalty was a poor call. You can’t penalize someone for hitting “partial” helmet to helmet when they are on their way down.
No pain No gain.
it is CRIMINAL the way they will not let Joyner play football!!!
And how about the HORRIBLE no call on g5s return where his head was almost ripped off!! It looked like a replay of Bert against byu
by garnetandgold on Oct 10, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Bud
You forgot to mention that Joyner played all but 1 series in the 2nd Half and str8 locked down Benjamin on J20 island..locked down.Rhodes could not have down that
Hyperbole police!!
You’re going to spend the night in Hyperbole Jail. Take it down a notch or we’ll upgrade to solitary…
#ItsAllGood
Oderint Dum Metuant
Trying to turn us against our own.
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
Horrible call.
UM player initiated contact. I counted no less than 2 hits Miami players delivered just like that in the first half.
FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.
by onebarrelrum on Oct 10, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
EA Sports can call it 'Wide Margin I'
They can create one of those situational scenarios so you can replay a classic moment in sports history.
You’re Miami. Florida State’s Chris Thompson has just scored on a 90-yard run in the fourth quarter and Dustin Hopkins has kicked the extra point to make the score 45-17.
Now the Seminoles are kicking off to you. You have only minutes left. What will you do?
Will you try a Hail Mary or a play-action pass? Will you keep Harris in the game or send in Whipple? What about just punting on first down to catch your opponent by surprise and get it over with?
Imagine the excitement! You’re Miami’s coach and it’s YOUR CALL!
Abiaka Windclan
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by Abiaka Windclan on Oct 10, 2010 5:35 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
you hide under the bleachers and cry thats what you do
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
That's what Gators do
Canes do coke when they’re depressed. Maybe rob a bank or two. Spend a few nights in jail. Get suspended for a game, and then do it all over again.
by RoyalOaksNole on Oct 10, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha, punting on first down to get it over with. Definitely.
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
And when I said we were gonna with the ACC
everyone thought I was talkin outta my a$$. We’re the best team in Florida and I’d expect the rankings to reflect that now. I predicted 24-23 FSU and I agree that FSU was not expected to win the game, and especially not in this fashion, but if you told me they wouldn’t run the ball and Harris would suck I’d say… okay and? It’s not really THAT surprising.
Well That was around my prediction as well.
Glad I was wrong and Bud’s record got worse! I think yesterday went a long way to teach a few people some things, nothing is absolute when it comes to football. I said I thought Clemson was not as good as everone was making them out to be, and they got handled by an undermanned NC team.
My premise on Clemson was that everyone was relying on the game against the Barn to make that decision, but they did not look all that great yesteday, kinda like the Miss. St game.
Pitt sucks.
Oh, and I said Lattimore would be able to run against Bama. There are no absolutes. Bama was due for a let down after the way they played against FU, I would not want to be playing them this week.
The boys played thier a$$es off and I for one could not beleive what I was seeing. NOBODY could have seen that coming, except Doc, and we all thought he was just being himself, he thinks we’re Ditka and Da’ Bears, and would win a game against GOD.
Jturner I demand more respect around here! LOL
We are "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented." says Fisher.
The process is real, make no mistake, it gets stronger and stronger day by day, it is unstoppable! "Get used to it, get used to winning"....Jimbo Fisher
Who here spoke in absolutes?
Wants to live in a world where Batting Average goes the way of the Dodo!
by RaysnNoles on Oct 10, 2010 11:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Statistics is what teaches us not to deal in absolutes. Thats what we use to try and explain what is happening with the teams. It was the right call to say that its not a game we were likely to win. That isn't to say it isnt possible.
If you read Bud’s article, he gave us slightly better than a 1/3 chance to win… where out of that do you get absolutes?
Grace I call Your name, Oh won’t Your smile fall over me, I’m cracked and dry on hands and knees, Oh sweet grace rain down on me I need You grace
-Phil Wickham
On Paper
But Fisher averaged 34 points on Shannon coming into this game.
If there was a 1/3 chance we were gonna win this game then there was a 1/99 chance that we were going to dominate the way we did. I think Miami was oversold and FSU undersold a bit.
is 34 point average including the 40-3 LSU beatdown?
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Oct 11, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Before the game there were some that were giveing people a hard time.
Absolutes may not have been the best word, what I should have said, was maybe we should be a little more open minded toward the more optomistic. Not saying that either way is right, I just noticed that some were…. Not really getting on them, but just I guess Scoffing at them would be a good way to put it. Look we all have our reasons behind what we thought, and like I said before the game, I liked out return game because they would not get to return the ball, and I was right. If you look strictly at the statistics that was the biggest factor. We had better field position. They were able to move the ball, but had to go a long way.
Also, I am not calling out Bud, he has always been really graciuos and has explained his position, very well.He did not say that other opinions are not valid, quite the contrary.
To eash thier own, I was on the side of most before the game and figured UM would win and that they should be favored, but I did not want to discount anyones opinoin if it differed from mine.
Good CFN analysis of the FSU game ...
I posted this in the 4th Qtr thread following the game, but if you have not seen it yet, there is a GREAT write-up/analysis by collegefootballnews at http://cfn.scout.com/2/1010376.html
CFN tends to be much more “analytical” than the mainstream media, but it was great to read a couple of analyists not associated with tomahawknation give FSU kudos for letting Bowden go last year and correctly noting that FSU does NOT win in this fashion w/ last year’s staff.
This is the signature first big win for Jimbo – and announces to the rest of the collegefootball world that he is a force as a head coach.
Enjoy …
by txnole on Oct 10, 2010 5:54 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
so true
Previous staff would have sat on the 21-7 lead and allowed UM to take over momentum and not attacked as we did. Previous staff – we lose 37-33.
Chop it up Seminoles!
by horsepowernole on Oct 10, 2010 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
As a 25 yr veteran of FSU-miami games, I say
you’re absolutely right— that’s exactly what Bobby would do.
proud graduate of the Uncle Rico Quarterback Camp
by PeachTreeNole on Oct 10, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
If we even get up with the old staff.
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
I'm glad Jimbo doesn't have that tendancy, but I'm afraid we haven't had his character flaw exposed yet... everyone's got one.
not to be a downer or anything.
Grace I call Your name, Oh won’t Your smile fall over me, I’m cracked and dry on hands and knees, Oh sweet grace rain down on me I need You grace
-Phil Wickham
Although I thoroughly enjoy Jimbo, no one get me wrong here.
Grace I call Your name, Oh won’t Your smile fall over me, I’m cracked and dry on hands and knees, Oh sweet grace rain down on me I need You grace
-Phil Wickham
I think he tries to get too tricky on some of his playcalls.
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
yeah, I can kind of see that.
Grace I call Your name, Oh won’t Your smile fall over me, I’m cracked and dry on hands and knees, Oh sweet grace rain down on me I need You grace
-Phil Wickham
There was a wasted series in the 2nd quarter (I think) that I believe consisted of a reverse, a Ponder keeper, and a run.
www.FireJimboBeforeHeTurns46.com
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
I'll have to go back and look at that.
Grace I call Your name, Oh won’t Your smile fall over me, I’m cracked and dry on hands and knees, Oh sweet grace rain down on me I need You grace
-Phil Wickham
not sure if your messing with me or not. I'm sarcasticly challanced.
Grace I call Your name, Oh won’t Your smile fall over me, I’m cracked and dry on hands and knees, Oh sweet grace rain down on me I need You grace
-Phil Wickham
Serious about the wasted series, joking about the link.
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
We DARN sure would have run up the middle to set up a FG on the 3rd-and-long before R. Smith's TD catch.
That was a stark (and welcome) contrast from the ways of old.
Previous staff + DC Chuck Amato would have gotten ANNIHILATED.
Seriously…..FSU would have been the 5th-best team in the state had Bowden been granted his precious “1 more year”. I posted about this before—it would have been BRUTAL.
Wins vs Samford, “maybe” Wake, “maybe” Maryland.
BLOWN OUT by OU, UM, FU, UNC, NCState.
Oderint Dum Metuant
Personnel considerations alone:
No Mike Harris, no Christian Jones, no Jeff Luc, no Bjoern Werner, no Lamarcus Joyner, no Telvin Smith?
Not Holmes O, no Will Tye, etc. Someone can probably pull up a list of FSU recruiting BEFORE Bobby was fired.
Not only that, but Hudson would have turned pro, and CP7 might have followed….shoulder or no shoulder.
Oderint Dum Metuant
Excellent pieces, especially the one from Richard Cirminiello
This says it all:
“Does the Seminoles’ impressive road rout of Miami mean we can finally stop waxing poetic about the good old days, when Bowden was a fixture on the sidelines? I sure hope so. Obviously, the game had passed him by, but the venerable coach refused to leave on his own accord, forcing president T.K. Wetherell to be the bad guy. Does Florida State manhandle Miami, 45-17, if Bowden and Mickey Andrews are still calling the shots? Absolutely not.”
Rivals had a similar analysis
Said it made BB’s request to have one more year seem comical.
by DollyHoNole on Oct 10, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
This is what Rivals says:
There is no way this rebirth of the Seminoles would be happening if Bobby Bowden still was on the sideline. It makes you wonder why Florida State didn’t strip the “coach in waiting” tag off Fisher earlier.
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
Flip the scores if it's Bowden/Amato.
“1 more year” would have amounted to just above an NCAA death penalty in terms of the damage it would have done to the Seminoles program.
Jimbo is the RUNAWAY NCAA Coach of the Year thus far….
Oderint Dum Metuant
So did this website
and everyone else that follows college football.
Beat Down
My heart kept telling me this week that the Noles will take the Canes. My brain just kept thinking a tight competitive game. Wow. This wasn’t a win it was a beat down. The entire team played with energy, and obviously well coached. Thank you Noles for delivering a beat down. Don’t let it go to your heads. Oh by the say, like a cherry on top of a milk shake: the Gayturds lost again. Oh sweet it is.
Bobby called after the game
He said he thinks the Noles are still one player away.
by NoleySmokes on Oct 10, 2010 6:10 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
We've already got that player
Mike Harris- the guy just makes plays
by FSU PHD on Oct 10, 2010 6:39 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Amen
That guy can smell where the ball is gonna be before it gets there. And he isn’t afraid to bring the wood!
Chop it up Seminoles!
by horsepowernole on Oct 10, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions
He's my defensive MVP
for the season right now. With all that he has gone through and the guy just continues to make plays and play hard. Probably the first JUCO guy that has made a difference the first year here or at least that I can remember.
by Dizzim on Oct 10, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think Walter Jones was a JUCO.
If so, that JUCO move worked out pretty well for FSU. He was a high first rounder and was dominant for the Noles.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
#92.....
I have been very impressed Amp! Very little drop off in talent when he comes in. Imagine where this team would be without harris and Mccloud.
by Ramblin' Man on Oct 10, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Jones was a JUCO
and started his whole time here.
Javon Walker also made an impact as a JUCO in his first year.
Going further back, there was Roosevelt Snipes, a RB who was the second leading rusher behind Greg Allen his first year, including 4 100 yard rushing games, topped by two games over 150. A little more recently but awhile back was Marion Butts. Played at FB and was a key cog in FSU’s best short yardage speciality offense ever, the WHAM formation, a no receiver, three TE, two back formation. In the signature play, the WHAM 34, Butts along with the right side TEs Pat Carter and Reggie Johnson would clear the way for Sammie Smith to carry the ball. On third down and less than 2, that formation never failed to get the yardage in 1987 and 1988 (though something like three times it fell short on third down and FSU went back to it on fourth to get the distance). Butts also ran for 200 yards himself his first year.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Oct 10, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Rec'd
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
no but he sprained his anke agianst GT early in the season which limited him
Marion Butts was a bad mofo who went on to have a good pro career.
Chauncey Davis was a pretty good player for us recently from JUCO who under this staff IMHO would have been a stud.
Butts was underutilized
If I recall correctly he went on to lead the NFL in rushing in his first or second year. Guy was a beast.
can't remember if he lead
he may have, but I remember he made the pro bowl in his first or second season as San Diego’s running back. Then the Chargers primarily ran from a one back formation.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Oct 10, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Was leading through like week 12,
…but got hurt and missed a couple games, and didn’t get the title for the season.
And I don’t think the chargers changed their approach so much as they went with a platoon system with Rod Bernstine and Butts that reduced the carries he got in successive seasons. At least in the short term.
Loved Roosevelt Snipes ...
He was outstanding when he played. Unfortunately, I recall that he was not able to keep his grades up …
Wimbley
http://nfldraft.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=390
Kamerion Wimbley was a pretty good JUCO transfer also :D
Bobby meant parity
Parity between Alabama, FSU and Boise.
I can’t wait to see OU show up in Doak next year.
We are "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented." says Fisher.
The process is real, make no mistake, it gets stronger and stronger day by day, it is unstoppable! "Get used to it, get used to winning"....Jimbo Fisher
by DocHoliday2 on Oct 10, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He was the player I said would have a big game.
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
He also said...
That he couldve caught Joe Pa if he just had one more year…..
by NoleySmokes on Oct 10, 2010 7:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He probably could have
If he had accepted the figurehead position and allowed Jimbo to have actual control of the team (and hire the current staff). ;-)
Bobby almost had it right
We were really just one Head Coach away…
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
by Dogrel on Oct 10, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Defense
Well, unfornately Stoops the Defensive Coordinator, might be too good. By that I mean, he is going to get a chance to be a Head Coach, I just hope we have a few more years.
He has really done some great coaching. Of course, IMO most of us knew he had some players to work with, but he has DELIVERED.
I think thats why we went and got him also
We have good coaches around and I think Jimbo is helping Stoops and getting Hudson something to work with when he does.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
I figured he's out after his 3-year contract.
Maybe 2, if things go like it looks like they’re going.
Whatever Stoops is making
He deserves every penny and then some. Our defense was disciplined always in great position to make plays.
by FtLauderdaleNole on Oct 10, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
We're going to have to get used to turnover within the staff. Jimbo wants to hire great coaches those guys traditionally dream of being a HC. One thing Jimbo has shown so far is an ability to evaluate and hire good coaches.
FSU football is the new case study for the outliers phenomon
I'm fine with only 2 or 3 years from Stoops.
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
Agreed... BUT
FSU needs to do/offer whatever it takes to retain him like Bama & thier assistants. Retention of coaching staff is the key to sustained dominance.
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
I'm not sure I completely agree with the last statement.
As long as you replace quality assistants with more quality assistants, you should be fine. Obviously want to keep Stoops as long as we can, but I’m not sure we can pay any assistant close to $1M/year and I don’t think I’d be in favor of that, either.
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I would agree with you tricknole
the key is to replace quality with quality. You don’t want to lose anyone on a lateral move, but you want quality assistants with a work ethic and passion that will end up also getting them “up the ladder”. You don’t want Stoops to leave for another college DC job, but if he leaves for the NFL or the more likely college head coaching job, you accept it.
FSU should be able to hold a defensive coordinator until they get a BCS conference level job offer, IMO. Someone like Coley on the other hand, when Fisher is an offensive minded coach to begin with, may leave for a lower level head coaching job, or with his NFL background with the Dolphins, an NFL assistant’s job.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Oct 10, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think Stoops would leave for another NCAA DC job even if they offered much more money.
At this point in time it’s HC or bust for him.
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Yea, I think your right trick
Its HC or bust – and he will get it. Let just hope he stays around to at least gte a shot at a NC. I remember hearing that Hudson and him are very similar – AND Hudson and him get along real well – you can just see it on the sidelines… if he does go (hopefully it will only be after a NC) then Hudson will be a great replacement, no doubt
And the positive thing is a BCS head coach offer will not come until he's fielding an ELITE unit.
So we’ll be starting over from a very solid foundation.
I just hope it's not an ACC school, or, more specifically, Miami.
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That's an interesting thought.
Inevitably, though, the competition around us is going to eb and flow. The key though is that we can maintain what we’ve got going.
…and even if Stoops heads down there, they’d only be able to keep him around for a few seasons.
Until an Ohio State or Texas or something opens up?
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Or go NFL.
Just seems like their “program” circumstances have not and never will facilitate long-tenured guys.
replacing quality assistants with quality assistants is very difficult to do
just as UF
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
No more difficult than finding quality assistants in the first place I'd imagine
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
So you're saying Addazio was the best available oc for them?
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I think Meyer/UF found themselves in a HORRIBLE pickle.
Addazio’s OL has been one of the elements that’s made UF… but when Mullen left, Meyer was left with the option of snubbing him and bringing in an outsider to take over the job — and potentially losing a great OL coach — or taking the route he chose. Great OL coaches don’t grow on trees, either.
I will be interested to see if Meyer can navigate his way out of this. Eventually I think he has to cut bait with Addazio, but that’s a big, big loss.
Good point.
But is it fair to ask an OL coach to do both OL and OC duties? Seems like it’d be tough to do both because a lot of off field, in game coaching needs to be dedicated to the OL.
I hope they do just well enough to keep him this year. Maybe go 8-4 with losses to us and Spurrs or 9-3 with just the loss to us. But I truly believe he will not be oc next year. Only saving grace is that Meyer is untouchable, and if he wants to give Addazio another year, to give Brantley his 2nd year in the “system”, and get Burton more involved in the offense, he will get it. He can strongarm their admin/alumni/boosters like all successful coaches can/do.
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Gators might be arrogant enough to run him off :)
Will be fun to watch them squirm, regardless of how they approach it.
All blame lies on his shoulders.
Should be interesting if he keeps Addazio as oc what all their fans will say. Be awesome if they turn on him.
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That's what happens when the HC gets bigger than the program.
We know all too well, he becomes an albatross around your neck.
The sad thing is that I don’t think it’s possible to learn this lesson. It is an inevitable pitfall of coaching success.
Money is not always the answer.
If the guy wants to be a head coach, a couple hundred thousand more isn’t going to keep him at FSU. He would rather be a head coach and make $900,000 than a DC making more than that.
Has to be the right situation, though.
He’ll get some offers this year, probably. But I imagine he has some personal goals in mind to make sure he takes the RIGHT offer.
If there’s a visionary AD out there at a big school that sees something in Stoops, they might make what is perceived to be a reach offer and he could jump imimediately. On the other hand, Stoops might personally believe he will be best served by waiting until he’s a REALLY hot commodity, e.g., coming off a championship, before making the jump. Too many variables out there to predict how long he’ll stick around.
Just wait for a smaller BCS school opening, do well there for a few years and jump again.
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As long as he delivers a NC....
…AND moves on to
A. – The NFL, or
2. – The Pac-10/2, or
*. – A school that doesn’t play or recruit against FSU
Otherwise, I’m perfectly OK with any and ALL tactics necessary to keep his ass in Tallahassee, including (but not limited to):
A. – More $$$
2. – HCIW title……extended version.
D. – Planting marijuana on his property & paying off the judge/probation officer to not allow him outside of the state unless accompanied by Jimbo Fisher
wwE. – “Sexting” scandal involving Stoops and 1 or more FSU “cowgirls” to coincide with his arrival for any interviews he may be able to set up.
Oderint Dum Metuant
lol wwE
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I missed the game......
My wife and 2 year old both got food poisoning and the first round of many up chucks started right at 8:15 EST. I read the summary story and can’t wait to see the game. Appears we kicked some azzzzzzz and put together the complete game we needed.
Everyone here is ok but it was indeed a looooooong night. YUK….
I missed most of it too
had to celebrate my wedding anniversary and pretend I wouldn’t rather be watching the game. All hail the mighty DVR though.
by osceolafan2.0 on Oct 10, 2010 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions
ha!
Note to self: Don’t get married during football season.
by Gulfport Nole on Oct 10, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
HAHAHA!!
Or marry a woman who loves football too!!!
He bleeds Garnet and Gold, She bleeds Crimson and White. AND THEY BOTH HATE ORANGE! GO NOLES!! ROLL TIDE!!
by gonolesrolltide on Oct 10, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Wife watched the game with me
for the first time in years. And what a game.
She woke up on the wrong side of the bed and went into Bmode. So, I did what every guy does in that situation. I went fishing (at 10:00AM no less). She felt guilty later I think.
by gambelero3 on Oct 10, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I rec'd this
Great idea. I’m getting married in June and will keep this in my back pocket ;-)
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 10, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Anniversary
I was fortunate (or not so much considering the game) to be married on Wide Right II. They flashed my Anniversary on the screen last night during pregame hype. So very nice of ABC!
On the bright side, I was able to put a horrible game behind me quickly by marrying a wonderful women.
DUH!
All those guys that think they pulled one over getting married on open weekends in the fall, only to have it come back and bite you in the ass every few years when it rolls over on your anniversary. I love football, the wife doesn’t. And I can promise you there would be no FSU game on our anniversary. However, I don’t have to worry about that!
Anniversary?
I was married on October 17, 1992….Charlie Ward GT come-from-behind….the whole wedding party was 20 minutes late, I did manage to be at the church on time so my wife still married me, she made some FSU buddies cry just before….LOL
I watched the game with a friend from the West Coast who had no rooting interest.
A. He was extremely impressed with the play calling by Fisher. LIke most dudes, we speculated what the play call would be and were wrong most of the time. This game was called differently than any game so far this year and I even commented to my friend that Fisher must have been playing a little opossum in previous weeks.
2. He hadn’t seen FSU this year or much last year and was extremely impressed with Ponder. I take his ability for granted because I see him every week. CP’s most impressive attribute to him was surprisingly his arm strength. I never think of Ponder having a big arm but after he commented on it I noticed he was definitely throwing some fastballs out there.
D. We both were impressed with the way the defense was bringing the Pain Train. There were some good hits (Alexander, Mister take a bow) and they all seemed to be on a Miami player. I don’t remember a single big hit on an FSU player but Miami was getting the heart beat out of them. It was a fun thing to watch.
Its nice when a casual observer can come away impressed with your team the way he did. The National bandwagon will definitely be picking up steam based on this national audience and Herbstreit himself jumping on.
Great win and great night as a Nole.
by nolefansam on Oct 10, 2010 7:54 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
His receivers couldn't catch those darts
Some of those were really humming
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
I think bert lost a finger on one of them
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Oct 10, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Bert got popped once pretty good.
Think it was Spence, maybe Telemaque.
by Curly McFly on Oct 10, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
It was Spence and it should have been a helmet to helmet
Seriously, on replay, Spence led with his helmet and made contact with Berts helmet right as he caught the ball.
Byrd was the Miami player constantly get hit lat night
rec’ for the spelling of opossum.
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As far as I’m concerned we can throw Herbie under the Nole Bandwagon. Just last week he was throwing up the “U” handsign on Gameday, and last night you could hear the desperation in his voice as he started asking where the Miami leaders were.
ESPN so badly wants the Canes to be good so they can hype them up as CFB’s bad boy…I don’t think they’re going to get it though.
He was asking where the leaders for UM where
bc ABC wanted a good game. Nobody wants to have a massive blow out in a primetime game.
by osceolafan2.0 on Oct 10, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously
Kirk and Brent, for the last half of the 4th quarter, were talking about friggan NASCAR. While ridiculous, hard to blame them during a stomping.
FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.
by onebarrelrum on Oct 10, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea BUT
I gotta say Kirk was ALL OVER FSU for a while….loved the O line, loved the new D, loved Pryor…I was really impressed with him
Hard for him not to give props
with what was happening on the field. Was awesome. At one point Kirk was flippin out about how bad Miami looked.
FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.
by onebarrelrum on Oct 10, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Bernie wants the Canes to be good for one reason
To help his Poison Nuts with their SOS component
by Cigar City Nole on Oct 10, 2010 7:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Should say HERBIE ... not Bernie
by Cigar City Nole on Oct 10, 2010 7:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Excellent analysis
Keys for me were that our D guys HIT, and hit hard and the backs hit holes hard, no dancing.
I told my brother when we scored on that screen it was a play we hadn’t run in a long time. UM never saw it coming.
Many kudos to the O-line – they were dominant.
I’ve never heard Herbie slobber over a team so much since #15 was the QB at FU – lol – what an annoying announcer – even when he’s on our side.
Chop it up Seminoles!
I agree with Bud that FSU sandbagged leading up to this game.
I knew Jimbo would install some wrinkles and he did.
I liked that the Noles didn’t play conservative like the old staff would do.
The only negative from the plays Jimbo called were that the gadget plays didn’t work well.
I thought FSU looked a little tired in the second half and was wearing down, but I guess Miami was to.
Another year off strength/lifting under Coach Vic is going to really benefit this team.
Ditto
They clearly didn’t open up the playbook in the previous 2 games, or even the BYU game once it was in hand.
And there was no need to run the gadgets – everything else worked so well. Save the gadgets.
Our D spent ALOT of time on the field, I was impressed that they didn’t break down more. What a turnaround from 12 months ago!!!
Chop it up Seminoles!
by horsepowernole on Oct 10, 2010 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I think what he was saying is that he ran gadget plays but they didn't work
Lead us in a few words of a silent prayer-Bill Peterson
by PalmAireNole on Oct 10, 2010 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I disagree....show the gadget plays just to make future opponents spend time preparing for them.
Gripper
I said the same thing to the wife
watching the game last night. JF saved the quick hitter to the fullback, the middle screen with a decoy in the flats and several other plays all season for this game.
Post Game
The biggest message to recruits is the video at the end of the game showing Jimbo taking his ice water bath birthday present with an ear to ear grin on his his face hugging HIS guys. Slapping them on the back in great fun. THAT shows a football family that every kid would want to be a part of.
Absolutely
What a stark contrast to Saban’s reaction last year when he got drenched at the NC game. Jimbo is an awesome coach and a great guy that seems to really care about his players.
by SteelerNole21 on Oct 10, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
i agree but...
I’d be pissed too if I got knocked in the head with the Gatorade bucket. I thought Saban almost got KO’ed when they hit him.
I was happy to see Jimbo bring his son onto the field after the win
Jimbo is the real deal when it comes to family and his staff recognizes that. I believe that is part of why he will never have to worry about finding competent assistants even when some leave for promotions.
by PSLNOLE on Oct 10, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I liked how the Musburger
Talked about Saban wanting to hire Jimbo with the Dolphins. Jimbo apparently told him he was happy in the college game. If the FSU admin (and boosters/fans) plays its cards right, he could be a lifer here.
So, let’s fill the stadium on game days. Let’s build that indoor practice facility. Let’s show our support for the whole athletic program (and the academics, too – I think Jimbo cares about that, too, as his golf winnings went to the general, not athletic, scholarship funds).
Indoor Practice facility estimated to cost $25-30 Million
It all depends upon fans showing up now.
If we fill Doak every game, it can happen in 4-6 years.
If not, it won’t happen.
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Didn't they price out a notched down facility
and it came out to $9 to 12 million?
The original design, for more of a multiple purpose facility with all the bells and whistles and then some, was in the $25 to $30 million range.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Oct 10, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought I read $16M was the new version.
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The interview with the Booster Prez said 25-30M
Here That was in early March.
Spetman is quoted in the Sentinel in July that a scaled back IPF woudl run about 16M or so.
Maybe a few boosters are going to chip in a pile o’ cash and that the net left to be raised is 9-12M. I sure hope that’s the case. We could raise that by the end of 2011 if we pack out Doak.
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I was gonna post this EXACT thing - you are RIGHT ON
thats the biggest message the recruits can get for sure!
Yea, saw Fisher pat Haulstead on the hat after his personal foul in the 1st half.
He called the play in to the offense, turned around and patted him on the head. No yelling in his face. Caught me by surprise.
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I love how we used our TE & FB in this game!
GO NOLES!!! SCALP EM!
by NOLEFAN1 on Oct 10, 2010 8:00 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
AMEN
Lead us in a few words of a silent prayer-Bill Peterson
by PalmAireNole on Oct 10, 2010 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Breakfast is served for all you doubters!
by sonofagunn on Oct 10, 2010 8:05 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Guilty here-Yummy---Man vs Food---Cane style
"You're either carrying a spear, or running from it"
by BigSpearDiplomacy on Oct 10, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Tastes surprisingly good!
Not quite like chicken, but I could definitely get used to the flavor. Yum.
I'm having filet
I predicted we would win big,along with doc and skunk.
I couldn't agree more
Too many on this site put way too much weight into that OU loss and gave up on this team. Too much time is spent analyzing FEI stats and whatnot and not enough time looking at the obvious. Miami has not progreesed at all from when we saw them last year. They are the exact same team. We, on the other hand, made significant upgrades. When you consider we played to a virtual tie last year, it is obvious that with our improvements that we had a better than 1 in 3 shot to win. Who cares that UM has more experienced players or that their stats were more impressive. We completely dominated those guys. If we played again later this year, we’d do it again. We are the better team. Period. I hope the rest of you guys start to realize that too.
Few people "gave up" on this team after OU
We just realized that we still had a way to go, and the teams we’ve played since weren’t adequate measuring sticks. We were helped last night by UM’s own mistakes (drops, etc.), but this game shows a lot more (good things) about the D than the last three.
Indeed.....Brought back to reality maybe after OU.....
Last nights game was as good as it gets, as in almost everything worked to perfection. We all might have hoped for such a sweet prime time beat down but few expected it. Bud noted in his preview that for us to win we had to do a,b & c while hoping that Miami executed poorly. It was an outline for the best case scenerio. Just so happens the football gods favored us. Seriously I’m always reminding people that the game isn’t played on paper or with stats but had the tables turned last night your post this morning noledoc1 would have been laced with a slightly different flavor. No doubt it was a good win and a great indicator of the work the team has put in since the ambush in Norman but I don’t really think many people gave up on the team or thought we’d win in such convincing fashion.
You have that right
I am so tired of explaining to people that Stoops didn’t have time to put in the defense entirely for OU and his brother was well aware of just how much would be installed. Couple that with green corners, Reid and bingo. Likewise how many times have we heard about Ponders weak arm? Well it counts when it is banged up the first quarter at OU. Glad we won’t have to keep on with this. Everybody can see now Ponder has an NFL arm and throw bullets.
Is the Heisman bandwagon up and running again?
We are "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented." says Fisher.
The process is real, make no mistake, it gets stronger and stronger day by day, it is unstoppable! "Get used to it, get used to winning"....Jimbo Fisher
Only if we win out every game
And he starts putting up more passing yards. But if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. I don’t think Christian cares about the Heisman as much as he does winning.
Stoops for Heisman
The passing game is still not where it was last year. Anything less seems to be a let down. Fortunately, however, we are running over everyone since OU. If a team can shut down our run game, we are vulnerable. The frustrating part is that on paper we should have the talent to return to what we were a year ago. It is a far cry from coming anywhere near Heisman honorable mention.
The D is improving week by week and we’ve been fortunate to not have many injuries. We don’t have a lot of depth on D and some injuries there could make us very vulnerable as well.
I do feel like we are safely out of 8-4 territory because I do not see us losing three of the four most challenging games left (three home games against Carolina, Clemson, Florida and the game at NC State). All four of those games are winnable, but it is difficult to play with the consistency to win all four. Right now it looks like we’ll be somewhere between 9-3 and 11-1, which is pretty good for Fisher’s first year.
We are not back yet, but we are on our way. Even 11-1 will not put us in the MNC discussion. We’ll have to wait another year or two for that.
None of the pick was based on FEI stats
It was all based on what had happened so far.
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
And to say Miami has not progressed is silly. They obviously have in a lot of areas
Tonight just was FSU’s night. To think the result would be the same if we played again is probably silly. Do you think we can play this well the rest of the year?
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
agree
It’s one game (and win) at a time. Our team is still very young, we are still going to have some ups and downs.
Have to look at all the games we've played
OU counts. Miami counts. The games against those bad teams count. Take it all in. We’re a good team.
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Have to look at all the games we've played
OU counts. Miami counts. The games against those bad teams count. Take it all in. We’re a good team.
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
We didn't do anyhing special.
except play the way we’ve played for the last few weeks. The performance by our team last night is very reproducible.
Until last night, however
There was no evidence that we could take on a greater calliber opponent and win.
You also need to respect how much of that game was won due to coaching. When Miami started runing the ball they really started to gash us, but due to their stubborn play calling and slow adjustments, we won.
Does Miami have a deeper roster right now? Yes.
Will they next year? Definately not. Not even close.
When miami started to make gains on the ground
we were up 21 points and started getting sloppy. Once they cut the lead to 14 points, we turned back up the intensity and Miami never got anything done after that.
Well, you cold also point out
That they started putting the ball in the air again.
IMO, during the Virginia game
we didn’t rotate players on defense (particularly the d-line) enough pre-garbage time. My fear was that in a tough, long, physical game, our players would wear out.
Last night, you saw Woerner, Hicks and others much early. I think that helped us shut them down. Down multiple scores and having four downs in most situations, they only scored 3 points after the first drive of the third quarter.
Miami also had 85 plays which is nuts.
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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We stopped them and only gave up the field goal.
That was huge. Made them realize they could not score at will.
I also predicted a win
But who would have thought we would smash them like we did? Our biggest question mark going into the game (O line) came out and pulverized that NFL front worse than they did against UNC.
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
1newplayer won $700
I sure wouldn’t have put money like that on the game!
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 10, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Musberger clearly had some money on the line last night…but not on our game. He must have talked more about the Stanford/USC game than ours during the 4th quarter.
Stanford/USC was a nail-biter, Ours was a blowout
Stanford USC came down to the last play of the game. Ours, not so much.
It’s ABC’s prerogative to bring its viewers the most compelling coverage possible.
Byt the end, though we enjoyed the hell out of it, it wasn’t as compelling to the rest of America.
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Having mine with yellow rice and black beans
It was miami, afterall, and I LOVE Cuban food!
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by PeachTreeNole on Oct 10, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone know who the Canes had at the game?
I know Steward and O’leary were there. Even though the stakes were nowhere near as big nationally as the Bama-uf game, for every Fl kid there they know this was a massive game. So it is great that they saw us dominate the game, shut the crowd up and then send them home early. Hopefully we can come close to this kind of performance in the future, which is the hard thing for young teams to do.
The fashion of the win is really important since we will be the highest ranked team in Florida. It shows that we didn’t back into this role, but did it with talent and execution that most weren’t expecting.
Also
lot of Canes fans throwing dirt on RS’ name right now. This was supposed to be there year. BCS bowl/domination or bust. Losing on the road to OSU is one thing, they have been elite for going on a decade or so now. But looking like you don’t belong on the same field as an underdog FSU team at home is a killer. Even saw a Cane fan or to saying they should go get Richt after he is canned at UGA, which would be amazing because that would guarantee another 5 years of FSU beating UM on the field and the trail.
All that being said. Don’t want to play those guys in the ACCCG
by osceolafan2.0 on Oct 10, 2010 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Ditto--Im all for a butt-whoopin, but playing UM twice is something to avoid.
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by BigSpearDiplomacy on Oct 10, 2010 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I disagree
This Miami team won’t be inthe ACC championship game. They are not even close to our level. This team has not progressed at all from last year. Not one bit. Their offense is so predictable. Jacory throws up the jumpball and hopes his guy comes down with it. They are finished.
I disagree the canes are better than the rest of the ACC
UNC might have a shot of beating them.
We are "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented." says Fisher.
The process is real, make no mistake, it gets stronger and stronger day by day, it is unstoppable! "Get used to it, get used to winning"....Jimbo Fisher
Who in the coastal is going to beat them?
VT has a small shot…depending on what team shows up.
UNC has a very good shot.
Who else?
Miami is a for real team. They are just not as well coached as us. This game reminded me a lot of the BYU game. Look at the numbers Miami put up. It isn’t as if they didn’t move the ball. We used field position and great special team work to punish them. This was not a game won off of raw talent.
Completely untrue
They had a lot of crossing and short routes open, they just dropped a lot of balls. Also I just finished watching the entire game on my DVR and they threw 0 jump balls. When they went deep is was because they forced a 1v1 matchup, and a few times if J12 had a better arm the guy is open. Miami lost because we completely dominated the LoS on both sides of the ball, but the odds of that happening again are unlikely. If we played them again the game is likely to be close, meaning anything can happen.
by osceolafan2.0 on Oct 10, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Per PlanttheSpear.com
Marcus Jackson—OL Vero Beach, FL (Vero Beach)—Committed to UM (will visit FSU)
Bryant Dubose—DL Oakland Park, FL (Northeast)—Miami leads, FSU in the picture
Ruben Carter—OL Miami, FL (Jackson)—Huge FSU lean (Our interview with him here)
Nick O’Leary—West Palm Beach, FL (Dwyer)—FSU and Miami are his top two
Bobby Hart—OL Ft. Lauderdale, FL (STA)—Solid FSU Commit. Originally scheduled to visit UF this weekend for his official visit, but chose to attend this game instead.
Giorgio Newberry—DE Ft. Pierce, FL (Ft. Pierce)—Gio told me he hopes to make it to the game on Saturday if he can get transportation.
Kelvin Benjamin and Timmy Jernigan were in Gainesville for the LSU game. Thanks for the loss Gators. We appreciate it.
Yup, Miami fans are ready to can Shannon.
That’s great for recruiting. As if stomping them down there wasn’t great enough by itself.
They’re even calling for their school president to be fired, saying she’s done “irrepairable [sic] damage” to the school.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Because he's a respectible human being
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Oct 10, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Right
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Addazio and Shannon are my two favorite non-FSU coaches.
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"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
Only if we faced LSU regularly.
But he’s better at his current job than the other two, and he’s definitely better at being stupid, too. Not sure how that works.
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"Correct, Sir Trick."
Is that a Dave Eggers reference?
Actually, given what Miles has done to UT and UF fans the past couple of weeks, maybe the actual Eggers title, “A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius”, would be more appropriate.
Love to see him switch
Chickillo is from here in Tampa, and I would love to see him switch to the Noles, he and Wilder are pretty good friends. That kid is HARD-NOSED on the D-line.
There are better DL targets out there
Wants to live in a world where Batting Average goes the way of the Dodo!
by RaysnNoles on Oct 10, 2010 12:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And Chickillo isn't switching regardless.
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Then
Then he can be on a chump team and lose 4 to the Noles ;)
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I wouldn't stiff the school my dad and grandpa played for either.
And I like our class with Newberry and hopefully AT LEAST 1 of Lynch, Drew and Rasco.
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Don't see it happening
would LOVE it, but really see almost zero chance
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 11, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Outstanding Victory
I can’t believe how much our defense has improved since last year (Or since the Oklahoma game for that matter) Also very impressed with the way we we able to run the ball. Seminole fans were at the game en force – What a great night!
"They're going to chisel on my tombstone 'At least he played Miami'" - Bobby Bowden
I sincerely hope
That people show up for the BC game “en force”! Let’s show the team some love, and show recruits that FSU DOES have good fan support.
Riding down from Augusta, GA.
We bought or 5 tickets last week. Even taking my 3.5 year(first game) old to a noon game if that’s not commitment I don’t know what is. Now we are really excited after this well rounded beat down!
I turned the Turds on just before the FSU game as it started about 30 min. prior.
My 4-yr old saw it and said “Gators! Daddy, I don’t like Gators. Turn it off.”
by NoleLaw on Oct 10, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
That's just great.
On a related topic, one thing that disgusts me is that in all the “mixed marriages” I know, the Seminole spouse has caved to the gator spouse, and the kids are being raised gates. Seminole fans need to work on that next generation of fans, dadgummit!
My fiancee is a gator
BUT she doesnt like sports, and I got her to buy a FSU victoria secret shirt AND she got me a jersey just because.
Im fighting the good fight man.
Bring back Peter Tom Willis— a true Nole! -FiestaNole
You should encorage her to wear a Gators baby T to bed...
…Simply for the entertainment value of holding target prectice when you finish.
No jorts though…that would be gay.
Oderint Dum Metuant
Met an FSU grad once
who, when I mentioned my hatred of florida, responded “aw, what’s the matter, you don’t like winners?” I responded by asking her “Didn’t you go to FSU?” and she says “Yes, but my husband went to florida, so”
Took all my strength to not say “Aww, do you let your husband make all your decisions for you?”
PS
Did you use it as a teaching moment? “Now, son, the next best thing to watching our Seminoles play is watching another team beat the gators. Always cheer against the o&b, unless it would somehow help FSU (e.g., a 3-loss uf beats an undefeated Bama and sends FSU to the NCG).”
My wife explained...
“Marlana, the oh-oh-oh-ohs aren’t on yet. Daddy doesn’t like the Gators either. He just wants to watch the other team beat the Gators down.” My kids are familiar with the warchant and call the team the oh-oh-oh-ohs (no not a reference to last years D). They are also familiar with Chief Osceola and point him out by name whenever they see him—they get very excited. When the 4 year old knew the game was coming on, she told her 2-year old brother and her mommy that they all needed to get their Osceola clothes on because the game was about to start.
My five year old niece, who is an emotional child,
will get very very upset almost to the point of tear if u call her a gator. She calls people gators if she want to insult them. She also lives in South Carolina so she is not even continually surrounded by this rivalry.
by scnole on Oct 10, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
That's hilarious.
She calls people gators if she wants to insult them.
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That warms the cockles of my little black heart.
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"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
I dunno
I’ve always thought their orange helmet, blue jersey and white pants were pretty ugly. They seem to clash. At least the orange/orange/white had some consistency. Ugly, yes, but that’s because orange is an ugly color.
uf is really in a lose/lose situation
Perhaps they should look at going all blue.
Yes and no.
Their white pants with blue jerseys looks like shit. Like how our garnet tops on white pants looked like crap back in 2003 or so. Apparently they “retired” their orange pants. They lost, I guess, and Meyer blew an artery and got rid of them.
But I think maybe a blue helmet last night for them or a white helmet would’ve looked less crappy. And I can’t believe I’m talking “fashion”, let alone gator fashion. But they did look horrendous while looking horrendous. Hard to do that. Kudos to them.
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Thats the way to train them!!
My kids could do the warchant before they could talk. They are both in school now and Hate the Gates. Tough road aroudn Central Florida for them the last few years, but they are probably doing better today.
Brainwashed Kids
My 15 Year Old is a QB at Olympia HS in Orlando. He made a friendly bet with Corian Hamilton, senior safety Cane lover(Over 20 D1 offers). Today at school Corian has to wear a Nole outfit provided by my son. After the game at midnight he laid out on his bed various Nole ensambles to figure out which one would be the most embarassing to wear.
I hope he went for the cowgirl uniform
FSU cowboy hat, FSU baby T, FSU thong poking out of FSU daisey dukes.
Oderint Dum Metuant
BC game...I will be there
for my bachelor party weekend with 12 buddies. I promise we will be obnoxious, as long as we can get ourselves there after Friday night.
This guy deserves his own article/write-up!
Gotta get the game film!
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
Have to go back and watch
but noticed a play where zebrie absolutely man handled Bailey. I was in awe.
FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.
by onebarrelrum on Oct 10, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Tricket said all offseason
that Sanders was the most impressive guy, talent-wise, he’s had in a long time
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
Zebrie took Bailey’s shovel on the first series and beat him with it all game.
by 38Noles on Oct 10, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Xavier Rhodes is an exceptional talent,
but it just seems that he’s always injured. Anybody know what happened to him last night? Was it still the hip flexor?
That was the report during the game
Hip flexor strains are similar to groin injuries in that they are a nagging injury. Muscles that surround the hip, when injured, can stiffen up pretty quick at rest. This is why the bike is used so the hips keep moving.
No pain No gain.
ABC Coverage
Only thing I hate about the game is that I didn’t get to see Jimbo’s ice water bath on the field due to ABC changing to the USC vs. Stanford game. Is this the first time that our rival game got changed on tv due to a route?
yeah that was ridiculous
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by stevegrizzle on Oct 10, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions
We didnt even get a full spot on Sportscenter
We were lumped into that express thing. This is complete nonsense. I hope it fuels us.
Ya, I was very disappointed
With ESPN’s coverage of our rivalry game. College Game Day Final just glossed over our dominant performance of the Canes. We beat Miami worse than Ohio State…IN MIAMI!
No pain No gain.
I was watching sports center this morning and didn’t even see our game mentioned. They did manage to have a full breakdown of the USC-Stanford game…sigh
by Gulfport Nole on Oct 10, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Too many close games/upsets
to put a ton of coverage on a blow out. Even with all of the history in the series, neither team is considered “back” yet. We’ll have to probably win the ACC to get some serious pub.
by TonySopraNOLE on Oct 10, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, i missed the last 5 minutes
Sucks ABC cut off the game, but the reason was pretty sweet- BLOWOUT
late comment
but no, in 2001, when we were getting destroyed they switched over to another game also (they did show the highlight of Michael Boulware’s INT/Fumble return TD though – don’t remember how he scored, and I believe that was the only score after the switchover).
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"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
Best team in Florida
With Florida and UM loosing, and we out recruiting both teams and now we are ranked higher than both, are we now the best team in the state of Florida?
We beat UM now we have to go out and tear down UF
The only way to prove who is ontop is to go out and smack em around a bit.
"You guys don't know the difference between a football and a bunch of bananas." John Mckay
Let's not forget their last recruiting class
I still am not on the “uf now sucks” bandwagon. They are having a rough start to this year, but history says they’ll get things settled – this year or next.
BUT, I do think this game alerts people to the fact that we are getting back to where we were. They won’t have the easy in-state path they’ve had since meyer showed up any more.
Announcers talking about how it is nice that the FSU-Miami game means something again.
It will be nice next year when the FSU-UFAG game means something again.
FSU-Miami might not mean much yet very soon
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, the other two games were nail biters
Last minute wins for Auburn and LSU. Nevertheless, you know they were constantly updated with “FSU takin’ it to Miami” updates.
Also, you guys have to learn to be more adaptable. I knew they would switch to USC-Stanford, so I had justin-tv ready. If you missed Thompson’s runs, you missed a classic. Ran for 60 or so only to have it called back for holding, then the next play runs for 90 with Pryor 10 to 15 yards downfield absolutely crushing a linebacker.
History tells me they don't have Tim Tebow anymore so the playing field is level.
They’re doing an awfully poor job of trying to fit a square peg into a round hole with Brantley.
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Great win! Huge for recruiting!
I thought the O line looked good which contributed huge to the success of the run game. I will admitt I almost had aneurysm when they ran that gadget play, started having flashbacks of the lost decade.
"You guys don't know the difference between a football and a bunch of bananas." John Mckay
Absolutely huge
Watching an espn recruiting show earlier in the week (perhaps it was an ESPNU show), they said that “top recruits are looking for an alternative to Florida”. If true, FSU firmly established the program as it in the state, as USF lost to Syracuse (Syracuse?) yesterday, scoring only 9 points.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Oct 10, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
This is the win we've all been waiting for.
It’s hard to overstate what a great job this coaching staff has done. The team was incredibly well-disciplined and the toughness and grit shown by the players was off the charts. We didn’t have any dumb, cringe-inducing penalties. The optics were great: Mike Harris’ hit on Berry will live on like the Shadetree, Michael Barrow hits in the series; Thompson reeling off the 90 yard (UM record) run against a gassed UM defense; the telecast ending on FSU taking the sod. Amazing stuff. This is a foundation-shaking loss for the UM program and we can really take advantage here. Recruits saw a well-coached team that let’s their young starts shine.
Now it’s up to the fans. Time to pay up (join the boosters) and show up (to home games).
by DunnDeal on Oct 10, 2010 8:48 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Well said
Now it’s up to the fans. Time to pay up (join the boosters) and show up (to home games).
Couldn’t agree more
by FtLauderdaleNole on Oct 10, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Two big, clean hits for Harris
He’s caused about 100% of the key turnovers this season. Has to play more than nickel. Give him some reps at safety.
What was impressive is that Thompson did it not once, but TWICE
by TCHOP561 on Oct 10, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Couldn't have happened to a better player
One of the most humble and hard working guys I know
Saw Peter Warrick play once. The rest is history...
This game just proves that no matter how much the armchair qb's and playstation AA's think they know about x's & 0's
they dont know jack about how a team is going to perform on any given day.
That is why you play the game.
What is proves
is that nobody can be 100% in their picks. It isn’t about dumb comments like playstation AAs anymore than a win is determined by who has the most swag or heart. Our linemen executed. Their linemen didn’t. Stop trying to rub it on over other Noles who didn’t agree with you.
by osceolafan2.0 on Oct 10, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Eddie Gran
As a RB coach, I know he had a great reputation, but he is the real deal. He has all of our RB’s running as well as they can, they are running to the right hole, without hesitation.
We have had great RB’s, but I don’t believe that we have ever had this good of coaching at the RB position.
by rspknole1 on Oct 10, 2010 9:04 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I also noticed that he has them on a short leash...
If they do not hit a hole hard, or dance around too much, they get pulled and the next back gets to carry the rock for a while. That is motivation to hit the hole hard and make the right reads
Also
The way they have Prior playing is amazing. I saw him pancake several defensive linemen as a lead blocker last night. That is just awesome. I would hate to be those guys in film review being showed an undersized fullback pancaking them.
No question Pryor earned some helmet stickers for that performance
by ChyTownNole on Oct 10, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I can't remember the last time we had such a precise lead blocker.
Seriously, they guy was putting anyone and everyone on their ass or out of the play. They need to start keeping his stats with the OL for number of pancakes in the game.
I was watching with a friend who has no rooting interest
After seeing Thomas’ hard running in the first quarter, he asked, “Did someone take Thomas’ family hostage?”
by TonySopraNOLE on Oct 10, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
I suppose that would be one way to motivate players…
I give Gran tons of credit for last night. Jermaine Thomas ran harder than he ever has in his career.
Anybody else feel that we got REAL lucky to get Gran?
He’s just produces quality back after quality back. They all run hard, block well, and hit the holes with authority.
And this is after only ONE offseason. I’m pinching myself.
I can’t wait to see what happens when we have some backs who mature in the Eddie Gran system.
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"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Well
Just think back on the RBs he’s coached. That should pump you up: Carnell Williams, Ronnie Brown, Rudi Johnson, Deuce McCallister, Montario Hardesty, John Avery, Brandon Jacobs… any HS RB should love to play for us and for that guy.
Yes
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep. We do not have a special back but our backs run hard and do what they are told
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Ty v. 2.0 might be special... especially after 2 years of proper diabetic mgmt.
Another amazing wrinkle on last night’s performance, that we did it without our best back.
Could be right there
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh and Lonnie is special IMO
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't often find 213 lbs fullbacks that destroy linemen and linebackers the way he does
His pass catching ability is nothing to be scoffed at either.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Excellent balance.
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What a great game!
Awesome, complete game!
Go Noles!
The Kool-Aid
Lets not finish all of it now. As a big a homer as I am, remember Saban was 6-0 his first year. Now whne you go back and look, every loss was by a Touchdown or less so their final record was a little deceiving. But remember small sips of kool-aid. However let us enjoy this thrashing and through beatdown of our little cousins down south.
Oh, I agree
I’m still conservative in my kool-aid sippage. BC could sneak up on us (not likely, but Bama slipped against SC after hammering uf). NCSt, Clem, UNC are al potential pitfalls. Then there’s uf, of course. Heck, even Maryland is somehow finding ways to win (who figgered?).
If we get cocky, we could easily drop a game. That why I loved Jimbo’s quote about how confidence, while important, can be dangerous:
“Confidence in an athlete or program is something that you don’t know when it comes. And when confidence comes in anything we do, we really can take off. But confidence can be a scary thing. You’ve gotta know how to control confidence.”
http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/16577/fsu-looks-ahead-of-schedule-under-jimbo-fisher
I have a tough time fighting off the arrogance this morning
Along with a Guiness hangover. If any of you are interested in the “DocHoliday hunch formula” I will explain it. So far it is working 100% of the time. I only called for a loss against OU this year. Refer to it in the future.
It involves Jimbo winning percentages over his career, past FSU recruiting, statements by Fisher…..get used to winning, the process is not interested in short time results but program building. Throw all that together with a hunch and bingo! 100% results.
We are "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented." says Fisher.
The process is real, make no mistake, it gets stronger and stronger day by day, it is unstoppable! "Get used to it, get used to winning"....Jimbo Fisher
COMPLEAT DOMINATION
I watched the game with afreind (a notre dame fan but I’m converting him he’s going to the BC game with me). any way getting off track. When we were up 21 zip, we both were praying to not let up and let them back into the game . My hat comes off to the entire coaching staff , they kept their foot on their throats,and finished the job. WELL DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!~!!!!!!!!!!!
Still hasn't quite sunk in for me.
That was one hell of an ass-whipping. Everything clicked. The offense was dominant. The defense, even when Miami had momentum, still made the ’Canes cratch and claw for downs and points. All-round ass-whipping.
Especially when you take all the holding Miami did against out D-line. They’re starting to get good.
It was a beautiful thing.
"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assault of thought on the unthinking."
- John Maynard Keynes
"We'll be here 'til midnight. We ain't not gonna practice."
- Jimbo Fisher
Just one thing Bud
You say nobody would have called for a blowout. I did but only a 35-20 spread. I apologize for underestimating the team! LOL It hasn’t been easy being a voice crying in the wilderness.
Better to bear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools…..Eccesiastes 17-16
We are "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented." says Fisher.
The process is real, make no mistake, it gets stronger and stronger day by day, it is unstoppable! "Get used to it, get used to winning"....Jimbo Fisher
Doc, did you specify why we were going to rout them?
I see you have your gloat hot air balloon in considerable working condition.
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
Yeah I have been saying
Ponder was going to heal up and really unleash on on somebody soon. It happened to be the canes.
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The process is real, make no mistake, it gets stronger and stronger day by day, it is unstoppable! "Get used to it, get used to winning"....Jimbo Fisher
by DocHoliday2 on Oct 10, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Are you seriously saying he had an all-world performance last night
and that he was the reason we played so well?
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
We won in spite of Ponder's passing performance
The drops certainly didn’t help though
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Oct 10, 2010 10:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i didn't think ponder was bad?
a few misthrows but the receiver drops were what far worse than his throws
by garnetandgold on Oct 10, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
He wasn't 50/51 for 1000 yards out there
but the score is a lot different if he doesn’t make some of those thows he had
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Oct 10, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
He wasn't all world but Bert had at least two drops and that's 11% of his incompletions!
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Haulstead had two drops two
Both times the defender was right behind him playing tough D, but he was open and did not catch the ball. Very dissapointing to see that. He has got to step up/toughen up a bit. Each time he turned to the ref looking for a flag, but none was warrented. He needs to just get tough and catch those balls. There won’t be many easy catches at this point and he needs to realize that and just catch the dang ball. Okay, I feel better now.
by SteelerNole21 on Oct 10, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
FSU was surprised it could run on miami and that Miami didnt realize FSU couldn't run left
I think they told ponder be safe with the ball
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure what you mean
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, not sure
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah exactly.
Wasn’t sure if those were just Ponder’s read’s and he handed off or Jimbo saw their over pursuit as an exposure, so he therefore called to give the ball to the FB
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Was at a bar for the game and am watching the second half replay on espn3 because I wanted to hear what the announcers were saying during the game. Yeah, I know, actually watching again to hear kirk and brent…
followed by "I love easterling"
about 10 minutes later after his first down catch.. when shoe-gate began.
I heard that too
My first thought was to wait for the “no homo”-it never happened.
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You're saying we couldn't run left because of Datko?
If that’s the case, I hope we let him heal some more — until about the UNC game. I’m not concerned about NC State’s D. I suppose that if we really are only concerned with the Atlantic, he could even rest up until Clemson.
That is exactly true.
FSU right right all night.
"…You can't get enough Lonnie Pryors on your football team." -Eddie Gran
Like I said, let's rest him up some more.
If he can come back healthy, we can be more balanced.
If we can’t run left for a few weeks in a row, good defensive teams like UNC will catch on and shut us down running right. Then we will be in serious trouble.
I agree
I would bench him against BC because he’d have 19 days to continue to heal
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You'd bring him back for NC State?
I know it’s an important game, but I don’t think their D is so ferocious that we couldn’t get by with Orelus or Faircloth. That’s the one game where the key will be how well our defense does. The wolfpack are averaging 37.5 pts/game.
You might bring him back for NC b/c we’ll need all the help we can get against their D. NC might not be that big of deal if we can beat BC & the Wolfpack. If we win those games and are solely focused on the Atlantic, then we could even leave him out against NC and just save him for Clemson. Maybe it depends upon his recovery speed. If you want to play it conservative, you keep hmi out to avoid re-aggravating it IMO.
Yes because he gets 10 days rest after
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 11, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Also because that game could decide the division
As UM found out, it doesn’t necessarily matter what things look like on paper. So, let’s not take chances in the game that could send us to the ACC CG.
Ponder pretty much did
What he needed to do to get the win, he knew the score, the situation, and besides his one pick, he didn’t give the game away and came up on 3rd down when he needed to.
He managed it great because he doesn’t make stupid decisions and didn’t need to throw for three hundred.
Thats one thing I don’t understand and I posted elsewhere on it, Ponder is seriously good. But he hasn’t had to be excellent because the games haven’t called for it.
He didn’t just forget this offense and didn’t become a slouch, he manages great and we’re 5-1 to prove it. He hasn’t given away any game with a poor performance except Oklahoma, and that was on everyone.
I dunno
I still think he’s off. Last year he’d have games where he went 21-25 or 33-40… very high percentage, very efficient. This year he’s 12-21 and stuff… often a lot closer to 50% than 65+%. I know that’s difficult to attain, but he did it a lot last year.
He’s being effective, but I don’t think he’s at his best. (Though I agree with what others have said about the WRs and OL play in the early part of the season; I hope everything improves and we get back to Ponder’s stellar performances, even if the yardage totals aren’t as high as last year. And, really, shouldn’t our running game allow him to have better passing days?)
He would have been well over 60
if guys made some catches for him. At least 3 drops.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 11, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
True
When reviewing stats it’s easy to forget about the drops by Reed, Haulstead, etc. Ponder easily could have been 15 or 16 of 21.
Drops were a problem last year as well.
Don’t think that has gotten worse between 2009 and 2010.
Agree that his accuracy — due to OL problems, his shoulder, unfamiliarity with receivers, whatever — isn’t where it was last year. But still don’t know of too many other guys (or any at all?) I’d rather have under center, all things considered.
Ponder has become
more of a game manager. And with this years D and running game, I’m fine with him in that role. Still think lights up a D this year. Maybe BC will sell out to stop the run and get beat through the air. Would be fun for the home crowd. Of course 25-45 yard runs are fun to watch too.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 11, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
4 drops and 12-21. if they are caught it's 16-21 which is 75%. I do think he's somewhat off.
I also think we are throwing greater reward passes. less short stuff and no bubbles against Miami.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 11, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously, how many bubbles did we even attempt?
Has to be historic low for Jimbo’s tenure here. Credit to how dynamic his offense can be.
Zero
Miami covered bubbles and planned for Ponder to run, so we did neither.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 11, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
That's the most amazing statistic I've seen from the game.
Honestly. The final score is one thing, but this is crazy.
No wonder they couldn’t stop us; our offensive bread and butter for almost 3 years completely disappeared… and yet we looked like a well-oiled machine.
The best thing about our offense
is that it is predicated on taking what the defense gives you. It is very similar to a well run motion offense in Basketball. This is why Jimbo loves multiplicity. If you are one-dimensional or gimmicky, eventually a good coach can figure out how to stop you and game plan for that. However, when you base your offense off of reading what the defense gives you, and everyone is on the same page, then the defense is completely helpless.
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Only 4 drops?
Watching the replay last night it really felt like 6 or 7.
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Didn't want to go overboard. You might be right.
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The only BAD throw was the Int
Had 2 guys open short & threw into triple coverage.
Oderint Dum Metuant
His first throw sucked, too.
But that was the only dumb decisions, I agree.
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You go Doc!!!! You have every right to gloat and say "I Told You So".
I have often thought that they should rename this site “I Told You So Nation” because that is the mantra that gets played over and over again here.
You took some crap for that prediction but that was a good call and it proves a little homerism is not a bad thing.
by Blue Horseshoe on Oct 10, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Over and over again?
How many I told you so wins have we had?
I think this is the only one, unless you count Bud’s I told you so against OU, then it’s even.
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 10, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Come on
Are you really going to say that Bud’s analysis which led to his prediction wasn’t sound. That fact that his ending prediction was very different from the actual result doesn’t invalidate his reasoning or analysis.
The outcome of the prediction is not the important piece, its how we arrived there. Process vs results
Sometimes the right process doesn’t lead to the desired outcome, as sometimes you can do everything right and still lose a game.
Conversely, your conclusion (result) can turn out to be right but if poor analyis (process) got you there, then you really just lucked into it and the agreement of your prediction and the actual result will not be sustainable over the long-term.
Finally, think about this, how many times have you’ve read some of Bud’s analysis point by point and thought that’s not right because of x,y,z instead of reading through thinking okay good, good, good – then getting to the end and thinking no I don’t like that score because we’re going to win.
The validity and quality of a prediction is predicated upon the analysis not the predicted score or its affirmation by a final score.
Think how many times you’ve said or heard, wow I can’t believe x was going to happen, I would have never believed it before hand, etc. Well, despite being wrong, you may have still been thinking correctly.
2 more things, Blue Horseshoe, I love that name, its is awesome and whoever that was that posted www.firebud.com, that was hysterical!
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by HerstyNole on Oct 10, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
What was your OU prediction?
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by RaysnNoles on Oct 10, 2010 10:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Was there enough Data to make a good prediction?
No. and that is what I said before this game. I did not love the Canes like some of you did. I thought they were a good tema, but I have no faith in Shanon. Thier schedule was not as hard as some thought. Clemuck???
Let Doc Crow that is what he does, it is funny. If you don’t like it just ignore him. I don’t know why you guys don’t like for other people to be optomists, if it does not bother you….. If they can deal with the huge letdown of a loss so be it, I was crushed after the OU game, and I did not think we would win, but thought we would do better. I can not imagine what he felt. Doc will be the last one to call out Jimbo so I would not worry about that. He has been on these boards for a long time and I still remember when they hired Jimbo, you would have thought the Noles hired Jesus himself. So I really doubt that you have to worry about him getting on Jimbo irrationally.
A masterful play calling performance by Jimbo
I wanted to see that quick opener once more in the second half. No option plays for Ponder …but he does the shuttle (classic Ponder) and the roll out on the naked bootleg nicely.
The middle of Miami’s line seemed flat exposed by McMahon and Hudson.
And Bud eats crow and likes it ;-)
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CURIOUS ABOUT RANKING
On ESPN tose asswipes were saying that BAMA should stay in the top 5. I think that is total BS. they lost by two touchdowns to the #19 team
Bama should drop into the 12th position....One spot behind South Carolina!
With Ohio State, Oregon, Boise, TCU, OU, Nebraska, LSU, Auburn, Mich St & Utah as the top 10 teams. But we don’t live in that world.
I wouldn't drop bama too far
They just had a bad letdown. That is a dangerous team…..it is the process!
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by DocHoliday2 on Oct 10, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn't watch the game
But I think it is part of the Grind. Arkansas, Jailors, and Cocky three weeks in a row? Two on the road??? Come on give them some slack.
I think the bigger deal is playing teams with byes the week before.
It’s pretty difficult when you only get one week to prepare while everyone else has two weeks. The SEC conspiracy against Bama will be over due to the new rule change they are putting in.
Yep.
Lattimore is a beast and had a pretty good game against them, but the spent a lot of enregy against FU, and did not take The Cocks serious. I hope we do not do that this week, but I really think BC sucks this year, but still has me a little worried.
Do you honestly believe those teams listed are better than Bama?
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by RaysnNoles on Oct 10, 2010 10:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well no
But is the poll based on who you think the best team in the country is – or their results so far in the season…
by CelticPride on Oct 10, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
UFs Ranking
UF shouldn’t even been ranked anymore. They have no quality wins and 2 losses
Yep. And Kentucky/ USF wins are less impressive
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
BUT Miami U is better than expected...
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by AMFKNole on Oct 10, 2010 11:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
agreed!
but it’s like championship talent coached by a 12 year old.
by garnetandgold on Oct 10, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
sounds familiar........
how about championship talent coached by an 80-year-old who spends his time on the sideline wondering what to put on his hot dog at halftime?
thanks for the mental picture
of BB eating a hotdog…
Saw Peter Warrick play once. The rest is history...
Too busy finding a clean hanky to wipe his nose with to worry about eating.
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Not a fair comparison
Bobby doesn’t know voodoo
Bama at #8 works.
Bama in the top 5 does not. The voters got it right.
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And Jenkins and Rhodes don't play like underclassmen.
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Joyner doesn't either
But man he gets hosed on calls. Seriously refs are trying to call him on everything they can.
But he showed maturity in not allowing the crap calls to knock him off his game.
I’m sure Stoops tells him to bring more of the same. The mental discipline and maturity will result in the refs looking at him differently and fewer crap calls in the future.
It's his long arms
They’re jealous
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 10, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
When it comes to Fisher
I actually got banned on tigerdroppings last year. Back in 2007 I made a post called “Jimbo Fisher remember that name.” I pulled it up last year after the blowout of WVU in the gator bowl. They banned me for it. When Fisher came aboard I told them things were going to change at FSU. I got the usual you can have him, get used to bubble screen, he scored 3 points on Auburn, yada yada yada.
I have always been on the Fisher bandwagon defending this guy. It used to be Trickett has skinny lineman yada yada. This thing was easy look back and see what a Fisher offense has done to Miami when he has the horses at least. Hell he almost beat them with Xavier Lee, had 14 point lead that Lee blew actually just about handing off to Miami defenders.
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Unsung hero: Taiwan Easterling
Runs his routes precisely, sits down in the zones, great hands, good for 8 yards every reception.
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dude abliterated their zones
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by SteadfastNole on Oct 10, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I've said it before
I love this guy. He and Pryor are ballers.
Yup
I think both will be in the NFL. There is always a place for those guys in the NFL. In the NFL it is all about coaching. Easterling is really talented. West Coast offense would be great for him. I could see both of them ending up a team like the Eagles. Easterling would be great right next to Jackson and Maclin. And Pryor just sounds like an Andy Reid guy.
Pryor is a Jet IMO
but I think the Patriots will want him bad, they have a reputation for picking guys like him and turning him into a Super Bowl puzzle piece
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 10, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont want him playing for the Pats or Jets
every time he plows a dolphin I’ll have to pretend I dont like him
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by NorthernHaze on Oct 10, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
I don’t see how anyone could dislike that kid EVER. If he transferred to Miami or Florida I honestly would root for him.
In the words of Aldus Snow,
What you did was very spiteful, but it was also very brave and very honest and I respect you for doing that. But the content of what you said has made me hate you. So there’s a layer of respect, admittedly, for your truthfulness, but it’s peppered with hate. Hateful respect.
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 10, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Easterling is that Colts/Patriots 3rd receiver type
definitely a place in the league for him
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I've always liked Easterling
as a receiver. He’s come down with a couple difficult catches over the years. I really think he was hampered by his achilles last season.
He also has some resilience : that catch where he had to be gang tackled to be brought down showed just how good of a player he is. If it wan’t for Taiwan our passing game would be in very big trouble this year.
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i knew he was a yanks fan but since win was he a noles fan?
by garnetandgold on Oct 10, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Go to his twitter page
He was tweeting about the game from the time we were up 14-0. I think he tweeted something about FSU being back at the beginning of the season
by ELITEFORCE850 on Oct 10, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
dudes been a nole fan for forever
said if he ever played college sports, he’d have gone to osu for basketball, but if he played football he’d have been a nole. He twits about the noles a lot
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by SteadfastNole on Oct 10, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
its like the third time
he tweets about the noles this season, guess thats good PR for us
by ColombianNole on Oct 10, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Sept.4th James tweeted
“Them Fla.St boys under Jimbo Fisher looking real good today!!”
by ELITEFORCE850 on Oct 10, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Amare Stoudameire
also tweet about us
by ColombianNole on Oct 10, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
dudes recruiting for us
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Oct 10, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
ha i just meant amare's twitter
it said
“Yes Sir !! Florida State is back baby. Any great young HS football player out there. You need to go to Florida State. FSU!! Florida Boys !”
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by SteadfastNole on Oct 10, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm Loving It
Make Some Room Guys here comes the bandwagoners
by ELITEFORCE850 on Oct 10, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Bring 'em in-there's plenty of room for them in our stadium
All they need to do is buy a ticket and they can see the best college football in the state of Florida.
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by Dogrel on Oct 10, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Gotto remember Amare's from Orlando
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Man
Jimbo needs to convince Lebron to come in for a visit. Talk about a recruiting tool.
Invite the Miami Heat to a home game
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by SteadfastNole on Oct 10, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Lebron is just a tool
I like that he’s a Nole fan, but that’s about the only thing there is to like about him
agreed
but when a 17 year old 5* recruit sees pictures of Lebron James in an FSU hat, taking a tour of our facilities? No kid will be able to resist that.
I didn't say we shouldn't use it if we can
Just because I know he’s a tool, doesn’t mean that 17-year olds can see that.
That could help
With BB as well as FB. Well, maybe not with HS athletes in the Cleveland area, but most other places.
and amazing. TE? pass rush DE?
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by NorthernHaze on Oct 10, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Obvious choice: Wide Receiver
A taller Greg Carr on steroids that runs like a gazelle and jumps like a [insert animal that can jump really high]? Yes please.
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 10, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
he’s such a mismatch there. Maybe even as a TE; too fast and agile for an LB and too big for a CB.
TE/WR, does it matter?
Throw him the ball no matter where he lines up.
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What a day!
First things first, Miami’s fans are classless and ignorant. I have never seen fatter guys calling calling chicks fat, claiming they have season tickets then getting stopped at the gate for ticket fraud, and the parking lot after the game looked like a disaster zone. They have no respect for “their” stadium or anyone else for that matter.
Jimbo, you’re the man and I thank you for an amazing experience in Miami. First time I have been able to shake my keys during a rivalry game. Go Noles!
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I was sitting in a Miami section and while most people were nice, there was 1 douche a few rows behind me who continuously harassed me and insisted on trying to fight me. I said nothing, but flipped the guy the bird, and security came up trying to kick me out of the stadium and wanted to take me to the police. Ridiculous. Thank God my UM buddy was with me and convinced the security guard that I was not in the wrong.
by Gulfport Nole on Oct 10, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea, and we used to get bottles of piss tossed into Chiefs when I marched
Just no class from that bunch, but they’re not even as bad as Clemson who’s thrown D-cell batteries and orange paint into our band in the past. Have a safe trip back up here to the gpt-biloxi area; I’m just outside Keesler and drove home from Tampa last week (sucked).
When was the last time we had a secondary that hit like this one?
Except for Greg Reid’s whiff, they all hit and tackled very well. Joyner laid out Byrd (#47) near the end of the game and he walked to the sidelines crying.
Mike Harris
Made my favorite hit of the game
by ELITEFORCE850 on Oct 10, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
The combo hit that knocked Rhodes out of the game
Mister absolutely destroyed the Miami player on that hit. Shame that Rhodes caught some of the blow as well
I almost felt sorry for Byrd
Guy was getting his bell rung everytime he touched the ball. Towards the end, I truly believe all those hard hits played some role in the bropped passes in the second half. They knew we were going to lay them out if the came across the middle.
Miami is bad
Miami looks like a good football team, but doesn’t play like one. It looks like they have better players than Florida State. They seem bigger and more NFL like, but they are so inept. Florida State plays with something to prove where Miami seems to think that if they just put on the jersey and wear Ed Reed’s, Willis McGahee’s, Sean Taylor’s number then they will play like them.
Jacory Harris sucks. He is the Chris Rix of Miami. I don’t understand why the Miami coaches dumped Robert Marve so quickly? Never gave the kid a chance. When he played his freshman year, he looked the better player.
Miami needs to get over the fact they will never be back. They are the black Notre Dame.
They have shitty facilities, they don’t have a lot of money, and it’s a small school. They only recruiting advantages they have is an NFL legacy, some winning tradition, and cool uniforms.
There was a firefight!!!!
Give FSU another year under the new S&C program and I think FSU will be a solid 10-point fave over them next year in Doak
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
The offensive line play is fantastic
You can really see the difference that coaching makes at the offensive line level. FSU’s o-line has been really impressive the last couple of years. They have been mauling people.
FSU can realistically finish 10-2 or maybe 11-1. Its a great team, I still don’t know what happened in Norman. We (OU) are not as good as our record says. We were lucky to beat a mediocre Texas team.
There was a firefight!!!!
by ThePhenomenon on Oct 10, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Extremely early in our defensive development
OU was the exact opposite type of team that we would have wanted to play in our second game.
OU wins that game 9 out of 10 times.
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Oct 10, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I Believe
That Bob Stoops knowledge of where Mark Stoops wast in implementing a new scheme and was able to take advantage of that in the game knowing what we would be trying to do.
by ELITEFORCE850 on Oct 10, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you are selling your boys short
They are clearly talented but seem to have major concentration issues. You won’t likely go all the way but you are bound to have a BCS Bowl type season.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Oct 10, 2010 11:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
exactly
they just aren’t focusing properly game to game. they still handled texas in spite of that.
by garnetandgold on Oct 10, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
It is easy
Trickett said years ago his offensive line would be the best in the nation this year. Is he far off? He is now on the verge off pulling almost any offensive lineman he wants now.
We are "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented." says Fisher.
The process is real, make no mistake, it gets stronger and stronger day by day, it is unstoppable! "Get used to it, get used to winning"....Jimbo Fisher
by DocHoliday2 on Oct 10, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
i'll agree with that if they can maintain
their pass blocking wasn’t so great before miami
by garnetandgold on Oct 10, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
they hv many issue
in the pre-season and because of that the players werent able to take full advantage of the trainingadn conditioning
by ColombianNole on Oct 10, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
This was the first game that everyone on the line looked solid.
The fact we didn’t give up a sack and had few (if any) negative rush plays against this D-Line is amazing.
If you look at Jacory Harris
you can tell our strength and conditioning program has much more promise..
There's another one: SMACK!
by Gator Slapper on Oct 10, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
If you tell that to a Cane fan they'll come back with "he's put on 20-30 pounds since he came in"...blah blah blah
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"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
LOL
Well he keeps leaving those pounds in the lockeroom then because I haven’t seen it.
There's another one: SMACK!
by Gator Slapper on Oct 10, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Randy Orton......is that you??
They are the black Notre Dame.
Holy SHIT dude….that was hilariously harsh.
Signed,
-A former FAMU player
Oderint Dum Metuant
Mike Harris, is that you?
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
Sometimes statistics get in the way of gut feelings.
Good thing I went with my gut this game……Canes won me 700.00.
"We didn't lose the game; we just ran out of time." - Vince Lombardi
by 1newplayer on Oct 10, 2010 10:50 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah well Vegas has paid me about 12,000 this season.
Gut feelings with knowledge are better. College games pay out a ton at the start of the year. in Vegas, but the margins get smaller and smaller as the year goes on. College is also susceptible to upsets and rivalry games aka this weekend. Most of my gut picks work out. Haven’t been a loser on sports betting in over 10 years.
"We didn't lose the game; we just ran out of time." - Vince Lombardi
this hangover is really bad
but reading this makes me feel a lot better. time to get get some greasy breakfast.
by NOLEmercy3 on Oct 10, 2010 10:53 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Give me FSU's coaches any day.
Two things I gathered from watching the FSU vs UM game last night. First, the talent is good at FSU, and though there may not be all the 4 and 5 star players UM and UF might have, they are intelligent enough to listen to their coaches and learn. Second, their is no arguing that UM and UF’s teams right now probably have more overall talent, and more depth. Even a moron wearing orange ( choose which ever moron you want) realizes that FSU’s coaches are better then their coaches. It is just a matter of time now, and the balance in college football that is displayed in Florida will be more equal. The drums are getting louder and louder!
by Panhandle Nole on Oct 10, 2010 10:54 AM EDT reply actions
only thing
is that i dont see this coaching staff staying together for a long time
by ColombianNole on Oct 10, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Well Gran seems content to be a RB coach for a while
Coley doesn’t actually call the plays so it’ll be tough for him to move in the near future. Agree on Craig. Trick seems to have missed his last best shot at Marshall (I question how long he stays in the coaching game regardless). Dawsey’s gotta be on the move soon I’d imagine. Elliot is an up and comer apparently so it wouldn’t surprise me to lose him in a couple years. We’ve all pretty much accepted that Stoops won’t be here long but Hudson is waiting in the wings. Odell is a lifer. I think we’ve got them for another 3 then all bets are off.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Oct 10, 2010 11:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agree
This is the coaching squad that, 20 years from now, we’ll look at and say “Look at all that talent Jimbo Fisher assembled! Can you believe so many great coaches were there in those first couple of years of his program?”
We’re going to look back on this coaching staff the way the old ’Noles look back on the 1960s Peterson squads, that had Bowden, Bill Parcells, and Joe Gibbs as assistants.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
This staff has depth and is set up to replenish itself.
Hudson replaces Stoops and another young, hungry, talented position coach is brought in the bottom. The entire program is now set up for long-term success.
Oderint Dum Metuant
HAVE TO get that indoor facility and dorms.
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"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
That Orange Bowl berth in January will help....
FSU will not lose more then 2 more games the rest of 2010, and I would not be the least bit surprised if they win out….including soundly beating VaTech in the ACCCG.
Oderint Dum Metuant
How many times have we said
Fisher is looking for football players not stars.
Beverly, although a bad knee now, is one of those. I would be willing to bet this guy was recruited
because Fisher know he can block, not whether he can break one for 80 yards.
We are "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented." says Fisher.
The process is real, make no mistake, it gets stronger and stronger day by day, it is unstoppable! "Get used to it, get used to winning"....Jimbo Fisher
by DocHoliday2 on Oct 10, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
thinking about it
it was a truly orange out in the state of florida… all orange teams got their a$$ kicked out of the door
BC GAME
Does anyone know if anything going on for the BC game. backout white out?
Haven't heard anything yet
So it is unlikely.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Oct 10, 2010 11:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Seems Like We Have Had Bad Luck in Those Games
I remeber the “BLACK OUT” two years ago. It was freezing cold and we got smashed
by ELITEFORCE850 on Oct 10, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Luck not the issue
Poor coaching and preparation. I’d be fine with another blackout against the right opponent in the right situation. The Orange jerseys didn’t cost UF, they just made them look like they had Tiger envy.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Oct 10, 2010 11:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Or we had a coach who didn't know who we were playing...
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
White out last year for USF
My only game b/c I flew home on leave from Japan; miserably disappointed and never want to see another “anything-out”……just me being a superstitious pessimist about those type games…..
That was with Bobby.
We really gotta get this line of thinking out of our fanbase. Jmo.
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
That and the fear of the letdown game against lesser teams.
We will be a much more organized, focused, and situation aware team.
>>>-----------;;;-->CP7 for Heisman>>>-----------;;;-->
Which we have yet to even sniff, really.
So that’s fading, too. SUHWEEEEEET
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60-0
wouldnt be enough for me
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Oct 10, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
It's too bad we don't play them this year.
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"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
Yes and no
When we play them we are going to be even better than we are now. They are likely to improve too (they seem god awful now) but I don’t think there’s any chance in hell they can go step for step with us for two years.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
It would just mean more to me for whatever reason if we went there and beat them down just one year removed from the original loss.
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
I agree with that wholeheartedly
Just trying to put the most positive spin on it.
We’d crush them this year. We’ll likely crush them in 2012. I just want to beat them to death so they never even consider asking for another trip to Tally.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Yea, I'm done with them.
Let them keep their newfound rivalry with UM. I highly doubt UF makes their visit to Raymond James, either.
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"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
Traditional
No nonsense for a noon game
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Garnet over Gold
and we ball like rockstars. How about that for something ‘going on’
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Oct 10, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Bud, was BC doomed by their inept O this week
I didn’t see a moment of the game but I have to imagine their O’s total ineptitude had their D on the field non-stop and they were worn out at the end, hence the point total.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Oct 10, 2010 11:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes, BC's O is worse than a Jeff Bowden O.
Their qb play is horrific.
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"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
You know, if BC wants an upgrade, I'm sure we could make a call and help them out...
UNA is 6-0 and their receivers are playing good! I’m sure he’d want to take a step up into the big time again.
I’m just saying…
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Nope dont want that.
Terry is not a chump. He did well at Auburn. I would rather he go to Pitt.
Was talking about Jeff
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
I wouldn't be afraid of Terry at all if he were at BC.
Academics, recruiting base, weather. All not good for being elite.
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
You think BC's OC has a play-calling dartboard too? ;-)
“Sweep, Draw, Deep Pass, Reverse, shrug and ask dad, etc…….”
I thought Jeff spun a wheel.
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
I'm sorry, that first TD play call still dazzles my mind
I just had to say that
"Kill a fly with an axe"
agreed. that was nasty
and it took some execution.
Do we know the list of recruits there last night?
Seriously
I feel bad for Clemson, they managed to lose to UNC and LSU in the same day.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Oct 10, 2010 11:04 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 3 recs
I am on a roll this morning
“Shock them” Sophomore defensive tackle Everett Dawkins said of the Seminoles objective. “Shock them out there on the first drive and let them know you came about business.” Hit them, knock them around the first couple of plays._that kind of (stunned) them a bit."
Demonte McAllister one of three Seminoles defensive lineman with a sack on saturday, was more direct: “We keep producing sacks” he said. “People are going to see. We’re leading the nation, we’re quick, we’re fast, we’re powerful.”
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe.
Nick Saban:" Jimbo Fisher is the complete coach, he has no weaknesses!"
Former FSU quarterback: Coach Fisher’s offense is not one thing, it is everything, pro-set, option read, five wide, pistol formation, shotgun with one back, two back and I-formation.
We are "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented." says Fisher.
The process is real, make no mistake, it gets stronger and stronger day by day, it is unstoppable! "Get used to it, get used to winning"....Jimbo Fisher
by DocHoliday2 on Oct 10, 2010 11:20 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Updated win percentages
I think one of the more interesting exercises is updating predicted win percentages. We know more about ourselves and more about our opponents. Here is mine:
BC – 85
NCSU – 65
Clem. – 70
UNC – 55
Md – 90
UF – 55
That’s 4.2 more wins, 3.65 in the ACC which would mean 9-3 overall and either 6-2 or 7-1 in the ACC.
is unc 55 because you think theyre getting everyone back?
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by stevegrizzle on Oct 10, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, at least some of them, and ...
… I think they’re pretty darned good anyway. That could very well be our toughest game left, imo.
you think UNC scores how much against our D?
Clearly not enough to match what we’ll do against theirs
i think a lot depends on who they get back, and when
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by stevegrizzle on Oct 10, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Well Austin's not coming back and I don't think Little is either.
All the rest might be back.
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"Correct, Sir Trick."
Yeah if they have everone they are ACC's best team
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Not Best
Most Talented. As we have seen in the last few years just because you have the most talent doesn’t mean you are the best team.
If you give them the offense from this year
and their defense from last year they are undefeated right now. Last year’s defense smashes both LSU and Clemson.
by osceolafan2.0 on Oct 10, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
The point is that they would be easily the most talented
But that doesn’t mean they would be the best team. Last year UNC’s defense got beat by UVA. All I am saying is that they would have the most talent for sure but it would be hard to say they would be the best in terms of production.
We will find out
We are "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented." says Fisher.
The process is real, make no mistake, it gets stronger and stronger day by day, it is unstoppable! "Get used to it, get used to winning"....Jimbo Fisher
They won't get everyone back though
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
They might get them all back but Little and Austin, right?
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Those are big pieces
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
The ones they get back or the 2 I named?
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two you named
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, but they'll be able to deal with their loss easier after 2/3 of a season than if they were plucked out of the lineups the week before.
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Sure, but not with NFL seniors
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know if we're differing in opinion or talking two different things.
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Saying they do have a plan in place but they cannot replace them with Seniors bound for the NFL
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Just read somewhere
That Austin, Little and Quinn’s UNC careers are done. Has anyone else seen this?
They are still pretty damn good.
They were tight with undefeated LSU and, like Miami, they beat Clemson. Even without everyone back, they are still pretty damn good. I don’t know how many they’ll be able to score on us though.
Clemson ain't that good imo. Not at all.
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I agree
Dobo is no Urbie that is for sure.
I don't know.
I’m beginning to wonder if I could’ve coached UF to two national titles with Harvin and Tebow.
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Not even close
But like, 9-3 yes. HAHA.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 11, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
At 55% against you're
saying we’re a 1 or 2 point favorite at home.
You’re off in the other direction on NC State. I don’t think we’ll be 5-6 point favorites on the road. Small dog or pickem.
Here is mine FSU wins every game except OU
We are "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented." says Fisher.
The process is real, make no mistake, it gets stronger and stronger day by day, it is unstoppable! "Get used to it, get used to winning"....Jimbo Fisher
Well Im down with the Koolaid you got.
I think its very posable to win out but at the same time we have some games taht could throw a wrinkle in ther. NCST, Maryland, and UF. NCST can score, Maryland has some dumb luck and UF might not be the great team everyone thought they are but they still have talent coming out there butt. I think the Miami win was good honest and well earned but just as eazy as it was won we can lost the rest.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
I'll take what he's drinking.
And make mine a double
OU rematch in BCS bowl!
Is it too early for that?
Maybe a little too early
Only game every fsu coach/player and fan should be thinking about is Boston College. Remember the process.
by ELITEFORCE850 on Oct 10, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
well I think there is 2 games we have a year to shove yesterdays game down there throats
but yes the BC is all that matters right now.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
They'll play for the championship if they beat Nebraska
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
wouldnt others have to lose, Bossy, TCU, Organ and such
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
They'd pass Boise TCU etc
Blew us out, beat Tex Nebraska Air Force Cinci
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Yup
Boise would have to score 150 on an undefeated Nevada team and VT needs to only have the two losses. That is the only they play for a title
We are helping
OUs case right now. If OU finishes out (undefeated) there’s no way they are outside of the top 2 due to SoS.
by SeminoleDan on Oct 10, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Nebraska looks pretty good. You think ou takes that game?
by FSUjab on Oct 10, 2010 9:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nebraska hasn't beat a decent team all year
* Western Kentucky
* Idaho
* Washington
* South Dakota State
* Kansas State
Sorry but Kansas St. is not very good and Washington is 2-3. Nebraska hasn’t played anybody near FSU, Texas, Cincinatti, or even Air Force (OU beat them all)
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 10, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I do
Nebraska has not had to throw yet
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point
OU’s D, if allowed to concentrate on one aspect, will likely gobble it up.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Plus we see what happens when they concentrate
OU has gotten up on everybody and let up off the Gas. If they played a complete game against most of the teams they have played they would have Romped them. Not sure why but they have allowed some teams back into games.
Tom Dienhart, getting it right...
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There is no way this rebirth of the Seminoles would be happening if Bobby Bowden still was on the sideline. It makes you wonder why Florida State didn’t strip the “coach in waiting” tag off Fisher earlier.
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
I dont really agree with him calling Mickey a Bowden cronie
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by stevegrizzle on Oct 10, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I noticed that also
Bobby didnt get Mickey to stay those last two years but I wouldnt label Mickey as a cronie.
Fisher got him to stay the last year
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
And Mickey is a great guy
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes
Let us let the past be the past. No need reopen wounds or criticize the past. Mickey and Bobby made FSU, FSU, two national titles, and countless great players. Let us remember them for that. And let us be thankful for what we have now.
by Mateo9399 on Oct 10, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Mickey Is Absolutely a Great Guy
We’ll hear later in the week about Mickey’s congratulatory call to Jimbo for the Miami win. Rough around the edges, but absolutely a great Nole who always deserved more credit than he got. Mickey was Spurrier’s greatest nemesis in the 90s.
Who of us could
return to normalcy if we went through the same personal tragedy?
Let him retire in peace.
Better quote - dub the gae "The Mauling of Miami"
The games used to come with their own clever nicknames. There was Wide Right I n 1991, Wide Right II in 1992, Wide Right III in 2000, etc.
Let’s dub this one “The Mauling of Miami.”
I like "The Birthday Bash"
Nice ring to it, and the title works
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Alright ACC, we spotted you 10 years
Ready or not, here we come
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Oct 10, 2010 11:53 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Felt like old days
Watching the game again this morning. HB screen for a touchdown? Fullback up the gut for short yardage? Haven’t seen that stuff in a while. And it worked. Quiet, strong, no retarded penalties. Janikowski-level boot. Miami was scared the whole game. I LOVE IT
Fisher
Said he prefers the offense of Florida State of old. I formation and everything. He recruits like it as well. We looked like Florida State of old last night. Minus the big play WR. I know there was the 30 yds TD pass, but we don’t have a Peter Warrick or EJ Green…yet.
You gotta think they're coming
Plus, we have several YOUNG 4* WRs on the roster, right? I can’t wait until the WR corp starts asserting itself.
The wonder of that first touchdown
was that it was a PLAY-ACTION halfback screen. I have never even conceptualized a play-action screen pass to the guy I just used as bait for the play-action.
The Miami defense bit on the play-action, then was like “OH SH*T PLAY-ACTION!!!” and then were like “WTF A SCREEN PASS???”
TOUCHDOWN
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 10, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
definitely. Miami super covered the Pryor coming out of the backfield didn't even give JT a second look
"…You can't get enough Lonnie Pryors on your football team." -Eddie Gran
Yes
and as they were thinking “WTF A SCREEN PASS???” They had FSU olineman in their grill, blowing them up.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 10, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Miami
Wonder what’s going on over on eyeofthehurricane
I took a read over there
And they haven’t posted any new posts about the game, but reading the end of the game thread everyone is just saying how they were out coached, and then how they then wanted to lose to wake the players up.
So where do we get ranked
I feel like we deserve top 15 but might not get as big of a jump somehow. its strange that no one it talking about our game hardly.
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FSU is ranked 17th
Seems very few watched out game
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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17th is fine with me. put the ap poll up in the locker room before NCst
noles, marlins, phins
by NorthernHaze on Oct 10, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I figured we would land there
Most of the teams who lost were ranked well ahead of us. I don’t think there was enough faith in Miami to justify us leaping over too many teams.
by osceolafan2.0 on Oct 10, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Only South Carolina made a bigger jump.
I’d say people watched.
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Most are wondering if UM is any good, IMO.
Clemscum got handled and Pitt got handled by ND.
cant find one thats posted yet
we got fucking hosed
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by stevegrizzle on Oct 10, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
seriously
that’s okay, more motivation baby. No one gives you respect, you gotta rip it out of their hands.
well at some point it becomes a bad thing
but i agree id rather be underrated than overrated
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by stevegrizzle on Oct 10, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
and 2 loss uf
FSU Football: United We Stand
by stevegrizzle on Oct 10, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
is it just me
or are the ACC refs just refusing to throw the flag for holding against our D line? I swear i saw at least a half dozen ‘muggings’ that were flagrant and not called.
At least the poor officiating didn’t impact the beatdown.
they were calling much on either side, so its ok.
consistency is all we can ask for. as far as the personal fouls I think the refs were a little nitty.
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by stevegrizzle on Oct 10, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
supposed to say were not
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by stevegrizzle on Oct 10, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
As long as it goes both ways I don't mind.
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Can we just say that Ponder's INT was really just a punt on third down?
It was third and 9 and he threw it long knowing that either reid was going to get it, or miami would get it near their endzone. Shoot they had to start on their own 2. Then again we might have gotten 3 points from it. IDK
no way
I think we were in FG range. I really wanted 3 points then.
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 10, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
You COULD say that
But if he throws a shorter completion, we convert and keep moving. Maybe no one was open. I don’t know. If, not we send in golden shoes for 3. I was thinking, that the throw was better than a punt.
Nah
With three defenders right there, I don’t like the chances of a big return off the INT. I’d prefer setting up the FG.
Oops
Replying to above post, not the one I actually replied to.
Bad throw, HORRIBLE decision.
2 receivers open short…probably would have converted.
Oderint Dum Metuant
No, because he threw it into triple coverage
That’s not a smart gamble, even if it was to Fortson
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To those who say the kids didn't watch FSU growing up or don't care about history
Chris Thompson says this
“It’s a real great feeling,” Thompson said. “It’s great to be in Florida State’s history book. You know, that’s not a real easy thing to do.”
16 and 17?
Wow talk about a total lack of respect for US
by Legal_Seminole on Oct 10, 2010 12:36 PM EDT reply actions
It will come.
Remember we have not had a great season since what 04??? We win five more in a row trust me we will be top 15 and pushing for top 10
They watched LSU-UF
Pretty clear to me from talking to other writers
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I would have watched that game as well.
If I am neutral writer with no investment in any team, that was a better matchup and better game. It meant more in the National Picture. This game was more for the state of Florida.
We still lost by 30 to OU
and only have one quality win. Who knows how quality that win will look come years end.
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by hardcorenole on Oct 10, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Same old same o huh
We are "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented." says Fisher.
The process is real, make no mistake, it gets stronger and stronger day by day, it is unstoppable! "Get used to it, get used to winning"....Jimbo Fisher
I tend to agree.
I am not sure how this win will look at the end of the year, but it helps recruiting and feels good for now.
Not much to complain about.
Not much difference between 15 and 16-17.
We weren’t going to blow past USCe or Bama.
The other teams are:
Arkansas (who nearly beat Bama)
Iowa
Stanford
Wisconsin
Maybe we should be ahead of Wisconsin. The only ranked team left on our schedule is UF. We are the only ACC team in the top 25. If we run the table, we’ll be in the top 10 by year’s end. If we run the table, the only two teams we play that might finish in the top 25 are OU, Miami OR Virginia Tech (if VT beats Miami and makes it to the ACCCG).
With Bama, Boise, TCU, OU, Nebraska, Oregon, LSU, Auburn, there is zero chance that we’ll be in an MNC discussion at year’s end. What does it really matter whether we are No. 8 or 17?
Funny thing is I recall many people saying that all we have to do is win the ACC & beat UF to be a title contender. This season might disspell that myth a little.
Not so sure
Our real problem this year was starting so low, and then getting blasted by OU in our first high-profile match-up. Most years we’d be in NC contention by winning the ACC and beating uf.
Also, in the future, we won’t play a team like OU so early and start in a hole.
Exactly
You can’t start a season unranked and play for the MNC these days unless you play in the SEC. But if we had scheduled a scrub instead of OU and the rest of the season played out the same the Miami game is a match up of 2 top 15 teams and we would be around 10th right now. With 4 SEC teams and 2 Big12 teams ahead of us they would knock each other around until we at least made the top 5.
by osceolafan2.0 on Oct 10, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I was a doubter
not in this team, just this game. So, in my usual pessimistic style I woke up with an interesting question. Assuming this type of play continues…
How long will Jimbo be able to keep his Defensive staff together? This is a pretty damn good resume booster, especially Stoops and Eliot.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 10, 2010 12:38 PM EDT reply actions
You can't worry about that.
We knew getting this staff it would be together for 4 years top. The coaching talent there was obvious.
not worried about it
just curious.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 10, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
He may stay the three from his contract
But I doubt any longer. Eliot likely goes with him. We def. need to keep our eyes on rising D coaches.
Hudson
He will be here for awhile. 5-6 years. Remember he will have to establish this as his defense before he can get a head coaching job. Elliot will leave with Stoops. He is a Stoops guy.
Agree
Hudson is the likely DC when Stoops leaves.
it will be interesting 10 years from now
to see how many JF disciples there are.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 10, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh
Lots of ’em will be credited to the Saban Coaching Tree, even if it is as 2nd or 3rd generation coaches. Well, unless Jimbo wins us a half dozen NCs in the next 20 years!
Jimbo doesn't use a playbook
He uses a playnovel
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Oct 10, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Brown never coached with Bowden.
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Bowden tree or the Peterson tree?
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OK, well let's just call em all
Bear Bryant or Schembeckler disciples then.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 10, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Im rewatching the game
After the first TD, it shows Ponder doing the little U hand thingy right back to the crowd. God our kids really wanted that game last night way more than they did.
I thought I saw that
But it was so fast (the TV view) that it almost looked like he was making more of a triangular shape – a sign to family or friends in the stands instead of a U?
nope
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 10, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
"I wish you loved me as much as you love TomahawkNation!"
by freshcollegeboy on Oct 10, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
THIS
is awesome. Kinda noticed during the game that he was doing this. UM fans deserve it. He pointed at them later in the game on another TD. Love to see the fire from the senior.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 10, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
My first impression was correct, then. Ponder a bit fiery last night, eh? :)
Never been a fan of doing your opponent's gesture, but, whatcha gonna do.
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What a glorious morning
I’m still basking in the euphoria of last night’s win. For someone who lives and works in south Florida, I’m absolutely giddy.
by FtLauderdaleNole on Oct 10, 2010 12:57 PM EDT reply actions
I would like to thank Bud......
for the content and quality of this site. I do not really go anywhere else except Chopping Block for my FSU fix. When I stumbled upon this site in October of last year, I was hooked. I haven’t had one day since then that I check this site less than 5-7 times a day. I enjoy the realistic and sobering commentary and outstanding analysis. It is obvious with the work done, that Bud is a complete homer and is passionate about FSU.
I happen to have great respect with the fact that he tempers his content with his passion. If you haven’t seen other sites on SB Nation, I implore you to do so and be grateful we have him doing the site(see 7th Floor).
So to all the gloaters and Bud bashing I have read, please stop. He clearly outlined what FSU would have to do to win. They did those things. They won. Bud doesn’t need me or want me defending his position, but I will anyway. He has the restraint not to do so, I do not.
I haven’t been this connected with my Noles since my playing days with Pooh Bear in high school. I would also like to thank Bud for making my night so freakin’ spectacular. My restaurant recently got a very favorable review on Thursday. You know what my first thought was? Shit, I am not going to be able to watch the game. I didn’t get to see really anything until halftime and that was just a score. Can you imagine my delight when I saw 21-0 in favor of FSU? If not for Bud’s analysis, I would have been way less thrilled than I was.
To some of you it may be pessimistic, but as a business owner, I like to plan for the worst and hope for the best. I use stats, trends and tend to temper my expectations for my buisness. It is a greater feeling when we are much more successful than I anticipated. So for all of you who are going to run your mouth at me about the content and length of my post. I am aware and I do not care. You can suck it. If it gets me banned, so what. I can still peruse my favorite site on the web.
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by hardcorenole on Oct 10, 2010 1:06 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Exactly
7th Floor still does not have any analysis on this game. Just pathetic. Yes it is nice to drink kool-aid sometimes, but Bud does keep it real.
They won't have one
They don’t break down losses or offer any kind of analysis. By far worse blog on the network.
by osceolafan2.0 on Oct 10, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I just went there to see what they were saying
and really no activity, but looking at their game prediction, they had miami by 8000 with 43 interceptions… so I really appreciate the ability to look at our team with impartial eyes.
This is the best site for FSU Football analysis...period.
by Blue Horseshoe on Oct 10, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
EWW
Buds the best no doubt – and the site (without seeing others), if they had a top 25 ranking, would be top 5 hands down, and thats thanks to Bud and the the writers.
BUT 6 recs, and all these “thanks bud” comments – killin me…. this ass kissing is making me sick. This is the still the same Bud who says UNC is best team in conference, and will knock down your Noles any time he gets a chance.
Love ya Bud!
If you misquote me again I will ban you
I said if UNC had all its players it would be the best team in the conference. When you misquote me it created unnecessary bullshit for me to deal with.
From now on you better read what I write and quote what I write, not what you think you read.
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
paraphrasing
FTW FTL
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 10, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
much agreed. it was fun to watch, but dont get too caught up in the final score...
The game was almost dead even after one quarter, difference being a missed fg v. a td (7-0). Though the score was impressive at the half (24-7), Id give the offense only two solid drives in the first. The first FG drive was helped by the dumb penalty and that ridiculous Reed catch on the tip (both on 3rd and 10+). FSU played well, but that score was more indicative of Miami not playing well IMO. Miami’s players looked totally dejected going into the Half. I think they shared my opinion. Miami actually outgained FSU 208 to 192, had more first downs 13 to 10, and ran 20 more plays. If you look at the second half Miami and FSU played pretty even (10-7 Miami in the 3rd). It was 31-17 at the start of the 4th with FSU punting, but FSU got the one big stop and when FSU hit 38 Miami just appeared to quit (UM actually still had more yards at this point). I think overall the game was played fairly evenly, except FSU made several big plays and had significantly better field position throughout the game (Thanks G5).
and furthermore...
I think this game just optimizes the regime change. FSU and Miami played pretty even offense-defense and defense-offense, but FSU definitely won the special teams. Finally we have a head coach that understands how all the facets play together.
FSU killed them in the special teams
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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We didn't play fair. Hopkins didn't even give them a chance.
And Powell was solid also.
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Can someone explain the touchback rule?
Regarding the fumble recovery from the 2nd qtr? We recover, and if we fumbled outside of the endzone and it rolls into the endzone and goes out of bounds it becomes Miami’s ball at the 20?
Is it because they caused our fumble? So then they get the ball if no one recovered before it went out?
If you lose the ball
for any reason before going into the endzone and the ball rolls out of the endzone without posession, it becomes a touchback. Goes to the other team, 1st and 10 at the 20.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 10, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup, I've never liked that rule
I’ve always thought if you fumble before going in and the ball goes out in the endzone…should maintain possession. At the spot of the fumble, or the 5…or some other arbitrary spot. At least would be more consistent with the rule for fumbling out of bounds anywhere else on the field.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 10, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
It is consistent with the rule for fumbling out of bounds anywhere else on the field
Anywhere else on the field and the ball is spotted where the ball went out of bounds. In this scenario the ball goes out of bounds in the endzone not in possession of either team. It is a touchback. It can’t be a touchdown, since there was no possession when it crossed the goal line, and ditto for a safety. Touchback is the only logical result. An arbitrary spot (at the 3 or 5 yd line) makes even less sense.
by dale gribble on Oct 10, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
the part I don't think makes sense
is that the ball goes to the team that didn’t have last possession of it. Correct me if I’m wrong, but if a ball carrier is running and fumbles at midfield and the ball goes out of bounds, it still goes back to the ball carriers team that had last possession of it.
thanks, dale
my only point was you don’t lose possession any where else.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 10, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
From glancing through the comments last night
before I went to bed, last I remember you were scrounging for beers under your bed. LOL.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 10, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Am I the one only who was glad that Ken Dorsey didn't play last night?
Wide Left still haunts my dreams when he fired the troops up in the third quarter. Also Sun Life/Pro Player/Joe Robbie/Dolphin/Dolphins/Land Shark/Land Dolphin/Whatever is just not that intimidating? There is no Magic there.
Andrea Adelson
Has VT winning the ACC? They might win their division, but they never win big games. They will lose to us. It is part of their tradition.
It really is.
They’ve lost to like 6 of the eventual BCS National Champions.
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I thought Terrance Parks played excellently
and laid the wood when given the opportunity.
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Re-Watching the game
We left about 2-4 more TD’s on the field. Reid on the first drive could have picked it off and scored, White same, Reid on the the Kickoff. Seriously it could have been worst.
I think it was Jenkins, not white
and I totally agree. if Brandon catches it, he scores, Miami folds in the 2nd vice 4th
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 10, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
It also could have been closer
UM dropped a lot of balls. Our domination took a break after our 3rd Q TD – the next 10 minutes belonged to UM, but we managed to take control back (unlike in many past games). On UM’s FG, #85 dropped the 3rd down ball inside the 10 – if he caught that, they’d’ve had more pts on the board, more momentum.
We def. took it to them, but there were a few moments that things went our way.
You need to realize
This is only the start for FSU. Jimbo has assembled a young, talented, and very hungry staff of coaches and support staff. This group will not let success go to their heads and will NEVER be satisfied. They will always strive to get better! The FBS is put on notice this is a different animal being cultivated in Tallahassee. We have always had talent at FSU. Now that talent will have focus, drive, hunger, an understanding on how to play the game, and an unshakable desire to get better everyday on or off the field. We’re close but still a ways aways but make no mistake the MONSTER is coming!!! I can’t wait for the NOLES to put their foot sqaurley on the neck of D-1 college football!
yes
was listed as questionable before the game. Still banged up from wake forrest game, bad ankle.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 10, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
People are starting to come around
We have four nasty corner backs. Two are midgets but that is ok. So was Frodo and Sam and they saved Middle Earth.
by Mateo9399 on Oct 10, 2010 1:50 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, but they had a really cool ring.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 10, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
hopefully ours will too soon
;)
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by SteadfastNole on Oct 10, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
As long as they look at a thrown football and say
“My precious!” And fight like heck to get it.
by Invictus13 on Oct 10, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Super G5!
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by ricobert1 on Oct 10, 2010 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
It was discussed right here on TN
When they were after Harris, bama would have picked him up if he could qualify early from JC. It was also mentioned that he would play in the NFL. He is that talented.
We are "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented." says Fisher.
The process is real, make no mistake, it gets stronger and stronger day by day, it is unstoppable! "Get used to it, get used to winning"....Jimbo Fisher
I didn't think there'd be any chance he'd come in and perform like he has.
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Me neither
He has really earned my respect and so has the coaching staff with getting him prepared.
I'm going to call him the phenom.
Because he’s been phenomenal and didn’t need any acclimation period.
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he's the lonnie pryor of the defense
not matter what he does he just makes plays
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by SteadfastNole on Oct 10, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Will he still get a look if he never starts?
He doesn’t have the physical tools of Bromartie.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Yes
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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FSU Game
I am a true Nole’s Fan.I thought it would be a close game with that would have ended with a win of four points or less. I would have never thought of FSU would blow out Miami. I have a new respect for FSU and the coaches. I just dont understand why Miami did not take Jacory Harris out of the game. He clearly was hurting in his growin area. Miami’s selfish mistake was our gain.
Agreed
They really put Jacorry in a dangerous position keeping him out there. When you’ve already got a strained groin it is very easy to make it REALLY bad.
But I’m okay with the decision ;-)
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 10, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
They did take him out late in the game and inserted Whipple.
The announcers said that papa Whipple knew his kid would never start at the D-1 level but was glad that da U gave him a scholly just so papa could coach his own son.
If your backup is crap, the you keep your starter even if he is immobile and facing the CFB sack leaders—especially when your head coach blames half of the starting QBs INTs on Travis Benjamin and the announcers embarrass both the HC and Benjamin by making the HC’s ass-chewing of Benjamin known on nat’l TV.
I don’t think Jacory’s INT troubles will get fixed as long as Shannon continues to blame his offensive teammates.
I don't think he would use up a scholly, since most coaches kids get a free ride to their respective schools anyway, don't they
Does Trickett the younger take up a scholly for us? Seriously, does he?
Yes.
Henshaw did a few years back, too.
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Whoops, didn't mean Henshaw.
Meant “God’s Son”, whatever his name is. Sexton.
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Yeah, but was the top HS QB in FL last year.
Whipple’s kid is crap.
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When did you let yourself believe we were going to win?
After all the times they’ve comeback on us, I didn’t rest easy until Rodney’s TD was confirmed. That third quarter was just torture with UM seeming to take the momentum from us.
I thought it was funny that the Miami fans booed their offense during the first half. Don’t they know that the script calls for them to play bad for 2-3 quarters before overwhelming us in the 4th?
that's when I calmed down
when Rodney Smith caught the touchdown, I knew we won.
Up until then, though, I was still shaking.
Same
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 10, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
For me it was the same drive but a little earlier...
I relaxed after the draw play for Thompson on 3rd and 13 and he converted it.
by PSLNOLE on Oct 10, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You want my honest answer?
When we got up 7-0 and Miami didn’t do anything when they got the ball back. You could tell early on we were clicking and they were not.
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Damn, more like 14-0 and they didn't score.
I felt REALLY good at the end of the 1st quarter though.
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You must be a young buck, then.
I had to sit through 1987 and 1991 games in person as a child. That kind of schtick doesn’t leave your psyche.
Because our blown games all throughout the 2000's weren't impressionable enough?
It just felt different to me. No way could I explain it, but at 21-0 I was already celebrating the win lol.
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The circumstances are key, I think.
1987 was the first HUGE game I ever attended. Maybe the first game with direct national title implications attached to it. And we completely DESTROYED them in the first half, up 19-3. I think Sammie Smith had over 100 yards at the break. UM did nothing.. and incidentally our GREAT kicker, Derrick Schmidt, goes completely haywire and misses XPs, FGs, etc. Then, all of the sudden in the 2nd half, their backs just start running over us… and then we lose on a failed 2-point conversion, going for the win. I am still to this day thoroughly convinced that several of their players literally cocained or otherwise medically juiced up in the locker room at half time.
Wide RIght 1 occured in what was to be the season of redemption. We had just come off a runaway win in the 1st ever #1 vs. #2 Game of the Century at Michigan (literally, I think the term was coined in this game), and then had our sights set on righting all that had been wrong in the FSU-UM series previously (like 1987, 31-0 in ‘88, etc.) by dominating them in our house in the 2nd ever “Game of the Century” — yes, two Games of the Century in one season, much less the same century, is stupid, but that’s how it was billed. I think we did pretty well against them in the first half, but couldn’t get in the endzone, kept settling for FG attempts. Same story 2nd half, we can’t stop them because they’re back on the cocaine. And, before anyone even knew what field goal kicking struggles were, we botch a 37 yard field goal (after an intentional pass interference costs us a TD, instead of a FG attempt — still one of the most heads up defensive plays I remember) and we lose EVERYTHING. That damn bird runs out on the field and Torretta (I guess?) throws the ball straight up in the air at the end of the game. It’s burned into my mind like a tattoo on my soul. My friends and I were like a ghosts walking out of that stadium. A piece of me genuinely died. A piece of the team did, too…. it was no coincidence that the same dominant team only scored 3 TDs over the course of the next 2 games, including a loss to a pedestrian UF squad that wouldn’t have had a chance playing a team with half a soul.
Definitely too young for that stuff.
But either way, I felt good about this game in the 1st half. Real confident we’d put them away. Crazy, because I hadn’t felt “good” about any of our games since week 1 and our 1st drive vs OU.
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I'd have to say that I am right there with you trick
from the feelings in this game and the past, as well as not having much optimisim/good feelings about our games, especially offense since that first OU drive.
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Funny thing is
(And I am pretty sure I’m remembering this right) Later in the ’87 broadcast, Brent Musburger (yep, him) reviewed the “missed” XP and said that it appeared good. Schmidt had kicked it really high, over the top of the goal post, but really close to it. Ref called it no good, video made it look like it was probably good. In that case, the final TD would have tied it and we would have kicked the XP for the win.
I hate Miami way more than the Gators because of those years.
I was nervous for sure considering our history. Miami cost us 2 national titles easy back in the day.
"We didn't lose the game; we just ran out of time." - Vince Lombardi
Miami or ourselves?
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dunno, but i was shocked they went for 4th and 1 on their 30 in the 2nd half
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by stevegrizzle on Oct 10, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I was a bit worried then
They got it, scored… those things can turn games around. And have before in this series, usually in UM’s favor.
24-3
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting that you chose a score that didn't exist
yuk yuk yuk
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Question for Bud et al, regarding the defense and expectations...
The expectations for the defense before the season started were for improvement, perhaps into top 50-60 by the end of the year. Given the way we have started, etc, is it time to adjust those expectations? Or is the thought that this level of play is not sustainable for the full year and there will be some sort of “regression to the mean” and we will end up in the 50-60 range. Just curious to get other peoples thoughts on this.
I don’t know what the answer is. I want to believe we are a top 30 defense, however the last 8 years or so have really left me snake-bitten. I seem to always be waiting for the other shoe to drop after something good happens…
I think it is sustainable, especially considering the offenses we'll be playing.
I think Bud said Clemson’s offense is as good as ours. Even if it is, our D held their own against our O in practice.
BC, Carolina, and Maryland are not offensive powerhouses.
The NC State game will be interesting, but I still don’t think we’ll be giving up tons of points unless we have some defensive injuries.
FU—who knows what the hell their offense will be when we face them. Demps? Rainey? Brantley? Who will be healthy? Are they still going to try to run Tebow option ball? Is Meyer going to make changes? After the LSU game, he said some of his players were not giving it their all—that they weren’t leaving everything on the field.
I guess the other consideration is whether opposing Ds will shut down our offense and force our D to be on the field much longer than they have been. I do expect the future performances to be in line with what we have been seeing.
North Carolina is becoming a good offensive team
And when we play them they will have nearly everyone back (except Austin).
NC State will be tough on the road on Thursday night
Clemson will be tough, they have serious RB weapons and a defense that isn’t amazing but has a lot of talent. They can put together a good game and in the past have always played us very tough. They also destroyed us last year.
Maryland and BC should be wins fairly easily, neither team is very good at anything.
Florida is having troubles but make no mistake they have 6 weeks to get things straight before they come to Tallahassee, and they will have their act together.
Overall we can still play good a lose 4 more games. NC State, CU, NC, and UF. We just have to keep with the process. I would be very happy if we can go 2-2 down that stretch, but 3-1 is not completely out of the question.
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 10, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
If you take them one game at a time, 4-0 is not out of the question.
It is hard to play at the level we were at on Sat. night on a consistent basis. And you never know what will happen with injuries. I don’t expect us to be 11-1 at the end of the season. But which of the games left would we be an underdog in if the odds were made today?
I presume that we will score 21+ pts in each of the remaining games—simply due to us getting great field position on a consistent basis.
So I guess the two games I would be most concerned about are NC State and UF—the two teams that have the talent to put points up. I don’t know how we would do in a shootout because our passing game is still developing. I know UF has been having some offensive troubles and has been banged up a bit. If Rainey, Demps, and Brantley are healthy, they do have the talent to pout points up. If they come to Doak as an underdog, you’d better believe that they will bring their A-game. Beating Florida State would be their redemption prize for an otherwise down season.
But you can't look at it one game at a time, you have to look at the whole picture
even if all four games were 75% which is ridiculous we still would go 3-1 more often than not and 2-2 and 4-0 have the same chance.
But because those four games are not 75%, I lean to 2-2 with a hope of 3-1. I am not thinking 4-0 right now. Next year maybe but this year I just want them to play hard and learn as much as humanely possible.
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 11, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions
tricky statistics
from a physics/math major turned lawyer, believe me when I say statistic can be deceptive. If we had a 75% chance of winning each of those four and 100% chance of winning BC & MD, we would have a 31.6% probability of winning all four and being 11-1. Naturally, if the percentages are lower, the odds are lower. BUT there is still a chance. Not probability, but possibility.
Obviously, the likelihood goes up with each additional win we get. I don’t really see anyone in conference beating us IF (BIG IF) we play like we did against UM. IF we can play that way consistently and avoid injuries, then the percentages may well be higher than 75%. There’s always the intangible of injuries and how well we can adapt, will the cross-training pay off etc. as well as sloppy weather, lucky bounces on fumbles, etc.
The 3-1 is not the only way to look at it. It is simply the most likely of all of the outcomes—one on a continuum of possibilities—given the game by game percentages.
I don’t care to predict our final record at this point. I’ll wait to see if we continue to blow out everyone between OU and UF. For now, I will take Jimbo’s advice and only focus on the next opponent. FWIW, BC looks to be the 5th straight blowout.
by NoleLaw on Oct 11, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bingo
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 11, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Bud said Clemson’s offense is as good as ours. Even if it is, our D held their own against our O in practice.
Before the Miami game I believe it was. No longer.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
And injury to some extent, yes
Also CU’s offense was not impressive against UNC.
Still early in the season, each game tells us more.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
No telling what we look like in the smart stats
but the raw data will be good. Clemson’s offense is bad bc they lack playmakers on the outside and their OC insists on splitting carries the wrong way. Their oline isn’t that good either. BC will be as bad as the first two ACC Os we saw, if not worse. As long as NC State and uf don’t light us up our numbers will be outstanding.
by osceolafan2.0 on Oct 10, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I said they would be one of the best 38
They are exceeding my expectations for one reason: health. FSU started the first game with 8 DL rotation and still had that 8 DL rotation.
Hope upon hope they stay healthy.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Ya, I remember you saying somewhere around 37 or 38
Interested to see the new FEI ratings.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Surprises from last night.
A) Obviously the score.
2) I thought our young DBs would be able to match UM’s receivers. I thought thank Hankerson would get his share and that Whipple would catch our D with some clever plays to create mismatches. I was surprised that we shut Hankerson down for the most part and relegated him to catching a couple of underneath balls in the middle of the filed. Great job Stoops.
D) I was also surprised with our O-line. They did a very nice job against a good defensive front. They key matchup in every remaining game we have is our O-line v. our opponent’s d-line. If we can run the ball semi well and give Ponder a few seconds to hit short and intermediate routes, Jimbo will mix up the play-calling and we’ll be fine. If not, we’ll see OU-part II.
Green) I was surprised at how well we ran the ball to the edge. Miami is usually very fast and shuts down those outside runs with their incredible speed, regardless of whether blocking is there or not. I don’t know what happened, but am glad that we managed to be faster than UM. With as many shoes as were coming off, I wonder if the sod gripping the shoes slowed them down a little.
Banana) I was also a bit surprised that Jimbo left Ponder in when we were up by 3 TDs with under 10 min. to go in the 4th. I suppose it just says he has a very healthy respect for UM. Didn’t really matter much since Thompson took care of the rest.
Zebra) It sucks that we get called for hitting guys that are supposed to be hit, like on the Bradham and Joyner plays. You have to let the defense play. At the same time, there was a no-call on the Rhodes coverage of Benjamin on the deep ball and the Moody fumble could’ve gone either way.
Orange) I was surprised Rodney Smith caught a TD. He doesn’t get many grabs. I was happy that he caught one in his hometown. Also glad that Joyner got an INT in his hometown, esp. after the suck penalty call.
by NoleLaw on Oct 10, 2010 3:04 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
That looked like a terrible call on the fumble/touchback.
But when it happens you have to take advantage and we did.
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Green) I was surprised at how well we ran the ball to the edge. Miami is usually very fast and shuts down those outside runs with their incredible speed, regardless of whether blocking is there or not. I don’t know what happened, but am glad that we managed to be faster than UM. With as many shoes as were coming off, I wonder if the sod gripping the shoes slowed them down a little.
I think our offensive linemen playing smart and quick slowed down their backers while Reliford blocked well.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Bingo
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
Miami expected Ponder to run a bunch. FSU took advantage by running the backs. Miami was slow to commit to it.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
RANKINGS
Just watched the JF interview. On the side it said herbstreit ranked us at 11
I'm hoarse but happy
That game was totally worth the price of admission for me. The tailgate around the stadium was nuts, too.
At any rate, does anyone know where I can find extensive footage from the game (not just highlights)? It’s a little different watching it in person versus on tv so it would be nice to look at everything from a different angle.
Wow, I dont get too many weekends like this:
Noles Stomp miami
uf loses
usf loses
clemson loses (my second most hated team)
bucs win
rays win
I cant believe the bucs scored 10 points in like 1:30
that ending was nutz
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 10, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems like UM put all their eggs in this basket to recruit against us.
You just know Jimbo’s staff is not being out-recruited on an individual basis. We’ve been killing it day by day, so Miami brought all of the common FSU-miami recruits together last night to show them how miami beats us— a recruiting Hail Mary pass, if you you will.
It backfired bigtime. We intercepted it and are now in the process of running it back for a touchdown.
Thanks for making our job easier with O’Leary and any others, Miami! :)
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And I loved it
I thought a win could help our already impressive recruiting against miami (even moreso than it would help ACC standings), but I didn’t expect that many recruits to be present or that awesome of an outcome. Very happy
What was the Nole turnout at the game like?
Definitely seemed mostly orange on tv but a lot of my recollection is fuzzy.
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Definitely a healthy mix
And pretty lively, especially given the results. The UM guy sitting in front of me even called me annoying for being so obnoxiously FSU and hyped.
You should have said
“Give me a break… you’re a Miami fan and you’re calling someone else annoying?”
Probably 35K+
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Noles have 24 pass breakups (PBU) through 6 games
We had 32 for all 13 games last season.
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
FSU's offense is converting 90.32% (28-31) of all red zone trips into points
2009 – 80.7%
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
Also, FSU completely shawshanked a very big talented DLine...
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Other acceptable verbs:
Scivied, shanked, scrabbled, snaped, throttled, bamboozled, quarantined
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
you forgot dirked
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by SteadfastNole on Oct 10, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
FSU's red zone defense in 2009
42 scores = 35 TDs + 7 FGs…83% to 17%, or a ratio of 5 TDs per FG.
Through 6 games this season:
12 scores = 7 TDs + 5 FGs. This comes out to about 58% to 42%, or a ratio of 1.4 TDs per FG.
“3, not 7!” indeed.
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by ricobert1 on Oct 10, 2010 5:41 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Rodney Smith
I was glad to see him catch his 1st td…he seemed under the radar for most of the season, and I feel that td he caught will do wonders for his confidence, and Ponder’s trust in him
Since Fortson's departure, I think we all knew we needed him to beat UM.
We all just wrote him off a little too soon! Great catch.
Just an fyi, Sun always shows the replays on Sunday at 7:30.
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 10, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Watching reply. Love this game.
Mister Alexander is a HUGE hitter.
Next week is at 8:30 for some reason.
I think they said that during this replay.
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Believing....
Been happily sipping the kool-aid since spring…..saturday night I was drunk!!! How can Inot get over-excited about this team now? If our team can put this effort into each of our remaining games….which are we likely to lose???
I'm with you
I realize Idont go with stats justgut. I really think we will suprize a lot of people and run the table. JF has got them focused,and ready to play.
I'm anything but a kool-aid drinker, but last night really, really showed me some.
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Yes, but let's not drink too much
I’m glad BC is next because I expect a slight letdown after this game and BC looks like the best team to have it against (who would’ve thought that pre-season?). Next week is going to be about staying serious and not letting this blowout get to our heads (love Jimbo’s confidence quote).
As far as who might give us a loss: There are a few teams that will be out to prove something against us. BC needs something to salvage the season (though likely won’t), UNC could be a real threat (even with only some of their players back), Clemson is a big maybe, NCST is a real threat under the circumstances, and UF could pull something together since they have time. Statistically, we should lose one of these games according to most predictions.
My big issue with too much kool-aid right now is this could be one of those 1 in 10 type of games. Yes we out-coached and beat them on both lines, but could we really reproduce these results consistently? I hope so. The rest of the schedule will let us know.
Well well
I must say I told you so. Which is strange to say to our own fans. I said were even on the field the last 2 years and I felt as though our improvement from 2009 till now far exceeded theirs going into this game. I’m glad onebarrellrum, bud and many others were wrong in underestimating our boys and overestimating Miami. All were heard all week was how much more talent and experience Miami had. I heard of how Miami shoudve beat us worse last year. I even heard this game could be another OU! really??? WOW They might be more experienced but they dont have talent that has been coached up like ours. Big grats to our coaching staff for completely playing them like puppets. FEAR THE SPEAR. I was surprised it was a massacre but I never doubted this game as far as a winning goes.
Damn, 45 points vs UM and 47 is our all-time most.
And that was against a probation riddled team in 1997(?).
And Thompson was exhausted after that long td. EXHAUSTED.
Annnnd, badass, Hudson, Stoops and Gran all ran over to Fisher to congratulate him after that td, too. I’m sure the others did as well but the camera cut out.
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Here's another thought.
I don’t think Thompson’s 2x TD runs were a function of UM players giving up. I think that the game might have headed that direction, even if it was tied on the scoreboard — we’re now playing with a full deck of G.A.M. on the OL, conditioned for 3-4 years by Rick Trickett and an offseason by Vic Viloria.
Can’t believe I’m saying this, but I am really looking forward to the next CLOSE 4TH quarter contest, to see what these fellas do when it’s all on the line. It’s going to be pretty.
There were a couple games last year, iirc
That the OL seemed to dominate in the 4th. That was all Trickett, without Viloria. I’d love to see us plowing people in the 4th on a consistent basis.
Also, by the time of Thompsons back-to-back 60 and 90 yarders, UM was committed to stopping the run and I believe had 7 or 8 in the box, so once CT23 got past the initial line, he was a goner.
So I agree that it was not a question of UM giving up, just excellent blocking to let him break open.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
with the coaches we have now
and the players buying in to what they are teaching, we may not have to worry so much in a close game.
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