Florida State Finds Hidden Yards In Win Over Hurricanes
by Bud Elliott on Oct 11, 2010 9:00 AM EDT
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When special teams coordinator Eddie Gran arrived at Florida State he addressed the concept of the importance of hidden yards. Hidden yards are the yards that don't show up in the normal shortened box score. But if you know where to look, they are quite easy to find.
Hidden yards can best be captured by determining the average starting field position for each team. Let's look at this chart:
Note that the chart excludes garbage time (when the opponent cannot possibly come back because it doesn't have enough remaining possessions to do so).
If you look at the drive chart, you'll see that FSU started drives at its own 40 and Miami started drives at its own 19. That's a 21-yard difference. A 21-yard difference might not seem like much, but when you compound it by noting that Miami and FSU each had 11 drives, it makes for an enormous advantage of 233 yards in Florida State's favor. Florida State started inside its own 20-yard line only three times, while Miami was pinned there or worse on eight of its 11 drives.
That performance is an enormous credit to kicker Dustin Hopkins, punter Shawn Powell, and returner Greg Reid.
Inside we take a look at the drives
Let's start with Florida State's offense. Please remember we exclude garbage time stuff here, so while Chris Thompson's run was amazing, it doesn't show here as the outcome was already completely certain.
| FSU's Offense v. Miami | |||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Result | Possible | Gained | Plays | Per Play | % Gained |
| Punt | 80 | 7 | 3 | 2.3 | 9% |
| TOUCHDOWN | 65 | 65 | 6 | 10.8 | 100% |
| Punt | 75 | 36 | 6 | 6.0 | 48% |
| TOUCHDOWN | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1.0 | 100% |
| TOUCHDOWN | 68 | 68 | 6 | 11.3 | 100% |
| FIELD GOAL | 45 | 25 | 9 | 2.8 | 56% |
| TOUCHDOWN | 69 | 69 | 5 | 13.8 | 100% |
| Interception | 81 | 44 | 6 | 7.3 | 54% |
| Punt | 43 | 5 | 3 | 1.7 | 12% |
| Punt | 80 | 7 | 3 | 2.3 | 9% |
| TOUCHDOWN | 55 | 55 | 11 | 5.0 | 100% |
| Totals | 662 | 382 | 59 | 6.5 | 58% |
That is some seriously good offense. Gaining 382 of a possible 662 yards (58%) is excellent. Florida State had three "explosive" drives (over 10 yards/play). And FSU went three-&-out only three times.
| FSU's Defense v. Miami | |||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Result | Possible | Gained | Plays | Per Play | % Gained |
| Missed FG | 65 | 51 | 10 | 5.1 | 78% |
| Punt | 69 | 1 | 3 | 0.3 | 1% |
| Punt | 94 | 28 | 7 | 4.0 | 30% |
| Fumble | 80 | 17 | 6 | 2.8 | 21% |
| Punt | 80 | -2 | 3 | -0.7 | -3% |
| TOUCHDOWN | 80 | 80 | 13 | 6.2 | 100% |
| End of half | 80 | 32 | 9 | 3.6 | 40% |
| TOUCHDOWN | 69 | 69 | 6 | 11.5 | 100% |
| FIELD GOAL | 98 | 80 | 10 | 8.0 | 82% |
| Punt | 91 | 19 | 4 | 4.8 | 21% |
| Punt | 89 | 2 | 3 | 0.7 | 2% |
| Totals | 895 | 377 | 74 | 5.1 | 42% |
FSU's defense did a good job against the Canes. The plan we outlined in the preview worked better than almost anyone expected. Thanks to the hidden yards, Miami had to go a lot longer distance than FSU did, and it showed as Miami could gain only 42% of potential yards. The 'Canes were impatient. In addition, the Canes only had 1 of 11 drives classified as explosive, while three of 11 were classified as "3-&-out."
Coach Fisher said this was a great performance in all three areas, and after looking at the box I agree with that.
FSU bested Miami by 28% per play and had twice as good field position (literally). This was the Hurricanes' worst performance of the year by far.
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The difference Saturday night and two years ago
This article nails it. We do this two years ago and the games are identical twins. As I said at the game, IF we had Gano kickoff the entire game, none of it happens (or not much of it.)
I got spooked a little bit when Hoppy drilled the first kick off their chest. But it really made me appreciate how much velo is on his kicks when it bounced five yards forward!
I wanted to panic mid 3rd, due to the past. Clearly, the new sheriff isn’t interested in that and I’m quite thankful that it’s the case. Will help me keep my sanity for a little while longer.
No substitute for a great kickoff man!
What a great recruit by Jimbo and the boys in 2009. Hopkins changes the nature of the team and Jimbo is a believer. I think he's going to go after the top kicker in the country every three years like he's recruiting a QB.
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felt that chest tightening feeling too.
Miami fans thought so as well. They had seen us lay an egg before. But not this time! It took 24 hrs before I really grasped it.
Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!
by GonzoNole on Oct 11, 2010 12:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Bud, you mentioned that a miami loss could be devastating for their program
considering they are four years into rebuilding. Are you or any of the other guys planning on doing a write-up on how this could sway the remaining target recruits?
Looking forward to more break down of this great win and also BC preview. Keep up the great work!
GO NOLES
Bud,
So is it safe to say our offense is better than we thought? Just an offense that favors the run more than last year?
I would say it was as healthy as it has been in a long time
Considering Ponder’s arm and the OLineman being able to go back to their normal position. Remember We were shuffling around lineman alot the past 3 weeks. What we saw Saturday was each persons “native” position.
The problem is that this week we go back to shuffling them up once again trying to keep Datko healthy. If he can get healthy for the CU, UNC, Maryland and UF stretch then we will be able to do a lot more offensively knowing the protection will be there.
On the other hand a decent amount of new big guys are having to step up for time, and while most are RS Fr. and So. I have not been too terribly disappointed with their play whatsoever.
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 11, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I haven't heard Datko isn't playing this week.
My expectation is that Datko plays every week from here on out unless he tweaks it again. The one thing that has come out of this is we need an elite Pass Pro LT to run Jimbo offense. Who is that guy in 2012? Faircloth seems like a RT all the way to me while Hart will be too young.
FSU football is the new case study for the outliers phenomon
We look better when we only replace 1 of the 5 guys on the OL
Instead of 3 like we did when Trickett was new here and our line was dreck.
Still, if you ever had any doubt as to how important a great LT, and Datko in particular, is to FSU, you have your answer this year. I like Henry, but he’s just not up to Datko’s level yet, nor do I expect him to be.
Without Datko we give up sacks to UVA and struggle in the passing game.
With him, we dominate Miami at the point of attack, give up no sacks, and Ponder’s able to spread the ball around.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Orelus is not the long-term solution at LT. He's an interior guy filling in due to need.
I think Faircloth, Stork, or Hart are the LT candidates for 2012.
Good to hear.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
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"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
I actually I am not giddy about our depth at OT.
We need a few more bodies (with the right frames) in the cupboard to give us more assurance that we’ll have great ones on the field. Not from a individual talent standpoint, but based on needs, Hart might be the most important recruit this year.
A JUCO this year I suspect
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 11, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Trickett is all over the Fahrenkrug from ND?
Doesn’t he three years to play two? For a kid like Fahrenkrug wouldn’t we be the perfect situation especially if Datko goes high.
FSU football is the new case study for the outliers phenomon
Yes
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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Mark it down. Faircloth is going to be a nice RT for us
He just doesn’t have the feet to play left tackle at a high level. What is the story with Sanderson?
FSU football is the new case study for the outliers phenomon
Hart is going to have to get a LOT bigger
What makes me very happy about him though is, he’s playing strong tackle and plays with his right hand down on the right side and left hand down on the left side. I love that versatility in that regard. He looks very athletic but he’s not as big as advertised, not yet.
He looks very athletic though, looks like he could play on a high school hoops team which is something that I like in a LT. Defending man to man in hoops is very similarl in body positioning to a BOB protection on a loose 5, etc.
Intelligent kid though, very well mannered. Made a great impression on me.
by Sobering on Oct 11, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 11, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
he's like 15 years old right?
"…You can't get enough Lonnie Pryors on your football team." -Eddie Gran
hah, searched for it myself and got your article on him Bud
yeah, turned 16 Aug 21st
"…You can't get enough Lonnie Pryors on your football team." -Eddie Gran
yeah, somebody tell J Thomas to stop jumping on Datko after every TD ;)
Datko would catch him, and I would cringe at the thought of him re-aggravating his shoulder that way.
by jasonole59 on Oct 11, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It must not have been that bad then.
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
How important is the field position?
2 of FSU’s 3 and out drives were started on their own 20. In other words, thank you special teams for the field position.
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not only that...
What about UM’s first drive? put them back at the 20 and maybe they dont even get in FG position, they likely have to change some of their play calling and they dont put us on the 10 yd line to start our first drive
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Oct 11, 2010 10:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Right
But FSU first drive was started at the 20. But I agree, that first Hopkins kick was a mishit and UM got to start at the 35.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 11, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
No
that’s starts with lil. HA.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 11, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I could read this stuff 24-7 and have been since Saturday night.
And I watched the game AGAIN on SunSports. So, I’ve bought into the “lower expectations for this season.” Now what? Is this beat down an anomoly or do we start to believe that the Noles are really getting good this year? On defense? On offense? Should we keep the same expectations moving forward? I’m happily wondering.
I think it shows what we can be....just how consistant can we give that kind of performance
I dont think there is a team on our schedule we couldn’t beat, but we are still young and I fear the let down. I too am happily wondering! So ready for BC!
by ChyTownNole on Oct 11, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Process, preparation = results
Hopefully, this is where the coaching staff hammering them with the process and preparation concept really kicks in.
by RockoNole954 on Oct 11, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.......
starting with things like last week was great but it’s last week. This week you haven’t done a daggum thing. The score is 0-0 and BC wants to come into your house and take your goody.
Best comment from Jimbo...
was when he said that he was already thinking about BC and it was 20 minutes after the game.
by RockoNole954 on Oct 11, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
and all the BC fans watching said 'oh $h*#'
by NOLEmercy3 on Oct 11, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yup.
All 136 of them.
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by CornNole on Oct 11, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
BC fans have already packed it in for the year.
They want to play their young guys and take their lumps.
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Of course they have...hockey season has started.
Strange things are afoot at the Circle-K.
IMO
the only expectation we should have is that if we beat NCST we should have a solid chance at going to a BCS bowl, which is an amazing start to the Jimbo era
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by The Ryno and I Know on Oct 11, 2010 10:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Keep in mind that we're not as bad as the OK game and not as good as the UM game.
But we are definitely one of the top 3 teams in the ACC – and that’s what matters right now.
by FSUjab on Oct 11, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Well
We’ve dominated 5 of the 6 teams we’ve played. At what point do we start asking ourselves if we’re actually as good as we’ve been playing?
I think (off the top of my head) what the first half of the season has proven is if anything Oklahoma was an anomaly, our offense is better than last year, our defense is better than last year, and while we might have another oklahoma, it would be an anomaly as well.
I mean we’ll see, because I’m still on the fence, but we have been burned so horribly the past four years that 5-1 really seems too good to be true.
Our offense is NOT better than last year
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Oct 11, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Winna
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by The Ryno and I Know on Oct 11, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
you sure about that?
im not sure its so cut and dry. with datko back and cp7 healthy?
passing game might not be as good but the running games is a lot better
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by stevegrizzle on Oct 11, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree about the running game
Our running game finished as one of the most efficient in the country last year. And we can all agree the passing O isn’t the same as last year.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Have you looked at our production on the ground thus far?
And as for last night, specifically, we came nowhere NEAR putting up those kinds of totals on a very good DL last year.
I know there’s been a shift towards defending Ponder this year vs. stacking the box last year, but I think over the long haul 2010 rushing will end up superior to 2009. Probably best since 1996, and in contention for best ever FSU rushing attack? The numbers to this point are ridiculous.
Of course I've looked at our production thus far this year
I just think we should be careful not to start saying this year’s O was better than last year’s considering I think not one of us would have made that claim before Miami. Meaning the Miami game is changing minds. I want to see what we do against BC before I’m willing to say our running game is superior to last year’s. Not because I want to compare last year’s game and this year’s (Dexter Carter’s inability to coach the position makes the comparison superfluous) but because I want to see us produce against a second good defense.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
How 'bout I won't say 2010 is better if you won't say it's not ;)
Our offense is NOT better than last year
Incomplete.
I believe our running game is a lot better, courtesy of bigger, stronger oxen. Overall? Wait and see; also still don’t know how much sandbagging/scrimmaging has effective our output.
Aside of OU, we’ve scored whenever we needed to, and that was a big issue with last year’s offense early in the season.
you're only as good as advertised in retrospect.
"…You can't get enough Lonnie Pryors on your football team." -Eddie Gran
Keep in mind OU was first game in two years that Ponder played poorly.
If Ponder plays at his normal level, we score points against OU.
FSU football is the new case study for the outliers phenomon
Ponder & the offense carved up OU on that 1st drive.
After that, the game turned into a perfect shitstorm for OU, on both sides of the ball.
OU is one of the 3/4-best teams in the country….but they are not 30 points better then FSU.
Not anymore.
Oderint Dum Metuant
I think Saturday
shows we can play a complete game and expectations should be tempered accordingly. For the casual observer it appears we made a huge leap from one week to the next but to those of us who follow these things we know we have been working on this game for weeks and the game played out perfectly for us. We could easily drop a game or 2 down the stretch or we could run the table. Being able to work on things in game while still winning is huge for us, as in resting players like Datko as we give inexperienced players time on the field. One can’t anticipate things like injuries or turn overs but all things being equal I like our chances of getting to the ACCGC whether we are 9-3, 10-2 or 11-1.
You mean Jimbo's a classy guy,
and uses the games to work on various things instead of running up the score? (I’m looking at you Boise…up 40 points and still running trick plays).
Not so much this game but in games like WF, UVA & BYU
Talk about classless…that award this week has to go to the guy from Wisconsin. Card says we should go for 2……Maybe you might want to put a disclaimer on the card that says when up by 30 with less than 6 minutes to go throw out the card & kick the extra point.
Yep, definitely didn’t mean the UM game. That Minnesota coach did not appreciate that 2pt conversion. I thought he seemed like a d-bag when we played them a couple of years ago.
Some of us applauded Jim Harbaugh when he did that to USC last year.
In certain cases I’m fine with absolutely running the score up. I.E. If Jimbo wanted to run the score up and we could against the Gators who here would really be upset about that? Provided it was with backups of course.
Yea, but how many times did USC do it to stanford?
lol, hanging 50 on um!
Lol
Right Certain Cases I agree with running it up.
When you’ve been dominating the rivalry, you have no business doing that. Explain to me why Boise went for 2 on the first drive against Toledo. In that case Jim Harbaugh basically just said see how it feels to Pete Carroll. Brett Beilima just said I’m an a**hole and thats whats going down.
...and what's more,
anyone that has to solely rely on a card to tell them when to go for 2, THAT DOES NOT CONSIDER CONTEXT, is a complete idiot. The wisdom of a two-point attempt is intimately involved with time remaining.
Bret Bilema is a tool bag
Remember him during our game. Basically said that FSU didn’t deserve to be winning and they would come lay the smack down in the 2nd half…
""They (FSU) want no part of Wisconsin football"
Or something like that.
He’s in the same class with Urban, Kiffin, Orgeron, and Saban. Dickheads
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Yea that sounds familiar....
and it was right. FSU did want no part of Wisconsin football. So we handed them some Seminole football and wished them a safe flight back home.
Could you say
That we took the Badgers to the “woodshed”?
Heh Heh.
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Oregon State would love that, right?
The Beavers would feel right at home… hmm. A team (mascot) comfortable with being taken to the woodshed is bad for the players’ psyches.
It was also a perfect opportunity to work on your 2pt conversion plays...
The game was not in question, so if you get stopped, no harm no foul. It is easier to stop a 2pt conversion then an XP kick. UW may have a game that comes down to a 2pt conversion, and the experience may be helpful.
Remember, it is the other teams responsibility to stop a blow out, not UW.
(But yes I can see how this can be viewed poorly, I am just playing some Devil’s Advocate here)
I can see this point.
Like going for the TD on 4th down in the red zone instead of taking the easy points. If it results in a TD, so be it.
Yea but I needed that FG to cover the spread.....
So I’m betting Urban knew a bit about the spread of that game lol.
My 2 point plays are usually a surprise
I love reverses, throwbacks, half back passes, stuff where you can take advantage of your opponent’s excitement since 2 point plays are usually with the game on the line type stuff.
That really shouldn't surprise anyone who knows anything about Brett Bielema
Guy is a horse’s ass.
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I think ole Brett came very close to taking a shot on the chin at the end of that game. Minnesota coach was hot.
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Tim Brewster's quote after that
“I thought it was a very poor decision by a head football coach and he’ll have to live with that”
in their defense they have to
They have to blow out every opponent if they want to play in the natty championship
by CrimiNOLElawyer on Oct 11, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll second that
with a look at Saban not taking a knee to win last year’s NC game. Going old school Fat Albert and saying for Saban, NC means no “class”.
Different case in NC game then against an overmatched conference opponent
FSU football is the new case study for the outliers phenomon
The one thing I'm not worried about with Jimbo is the complancey we had after a big win with Bowden.
FSU football is the new case study for the outliers phenomon
Based on this game, ive gone from 8-4 to 9-3 reg. season.
I still think two defeats are possible.
From here on out, i only have one ho.........that's sweet lady propane. And i'm tricking her out all over town. -Hank Hill
Same expectations for me-maybe expected win totals bumped up by 1 tho
I consider this game an unexpected gift-almost a miracle. Nothing we had seen thusfar had convinced us that we were likely to dominate like we did.
It does your soul good if you can enjoy it when you get a game like this, but keep in mind that these kind of wins do not come along that regularly. This outcome likely falls into the top 1% of most favorable outcomes possible.
On the other hand, if you expect us to win like we did with the team that we had, you are only setting yourself up for disappointment precisely because these kind of wins are so rare.
It was our day to be in the sun. Let’s just sit back and enjoy it but don’t expect this year to never be cloudy again.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
I disagree with the almost miracle sentiment
Aside from OU (obviously), we saw a ferocious defense and good not great offense every game this year. Competition was bad to decent at best, but I’d say we were more unproven than surprisingly good. I think this game shows that we can play a complete game against a good team. The team that beat the pants off Miami is a different team that the one that got embarrassed at Oklahoma. As of now, I think we should expect to demolish bad teams beat good teams, compete with great teams, and lose to elite teams.
We know this now, we did not know it beforehand
I consider our performance against Miami to be right up there with the best we could possibly play against an opponent of Miami’s caliber (very good-to-great) at this point in our season.
We truly played outside of ourselves on Saturday. That can happen once in a while, but the odds of it happening week after week are slim-to-none.
Thankfully, we won’t have to play at such a high level to beat most of our remaining opponents.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
I believe.
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"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
Expectations probably should be tempered.
If you use the Sagarin ratings as a rough (OK, very rough) gauge of the quality of our competition, keep this in mind:
Samford: 127
Oklahoma: 12
BYU: 78
Wake: 120
Virginia: 89
Miami: 34
That puts us at 1-1 against the top 70 teams in Division I. Now consider the rest of our schedule:
BC: 110
NCST: 22
UNC: 47
Clemson: 103
Maryland: 52
FL: 28
We clearly have the most difficult portion of our schedule ahead of us. Maryland may be too high on that list, but Clemson and BC are too low. It should not be a disappointment to finish 4-2 in the remaining games, and 3-3 would not be an incredible underachievement. If we continue to win the games we should win and split the games against decent teams we will finish at 9-3. We have not proven on the field that we should raise expectations any further.
by SDnole on Oct 12, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Smart post
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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Can't help it.
Caption for the picture:
Jimbo: “Can I take your order sir? You want an epic beat down with a side of curb stomp? You got it. Would you like any condiments with that? Have a great day.”
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 11, 2010 10:10 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Good stuff
if you say that as fast as a new yorker, but with a west va drawl its dead-on.
by LincolnHighNole on Oct 11, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone see where Reid and Joyner lined up on top of each other in the middle of the field pre-kick, and then only slid out to respective positions as Bosher approached the tee?
Now that was a FINE example of squeezing out the hidden yards.
The most amazing part was that Greg always seemed to go to the side where the ball was kicked.
I wonder if they had some kind of show that gave away which way they were going.
Showed on Sunshine
that Greg and the other returner, wasn’t always Joyner, would like up together, or near each other. When the kicker made his move, Reid would move to the side that the ball was going to go. Was awesome.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 11, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Right, I saw CT23 back there on kickoffs at least once, and possibly more.
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Yes
Thompson was back there and of course I meant LINE up together. I’m sure they like each other, you know, as teammates.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 11, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I have been saying this for a while...
our guys our fast enough to run 26 yards in either direction to catch the kickoff…great adjustment to get the ball in reid’s hands.
There were probably a dozen little tricks we pulled from film
they same way a WR gives away a screen based on habits, our D-line seemed to know the hardcount, Reid maybe had something shown to him to look for.
Excellent job by FSU of self scouting
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 11, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Can you elaborate what you mean?
Im interested.
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It’s a giveaway
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by SteadfastNole on Oct 11, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey now, with the Noon start, I was making the assumption that the B.C. game
was going to be on one of the ESPN networks, maybe the “U.” Anyone know?
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 11, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Did that occur recently?
Was this one of those optioned deals?
If the BC game goes as I think it will, we’re going to be skyrocketing up the respect ladder with the exposure we get in that setting. I could see BC getting like 85 total yards (please note, this is HYPERBOLE).
Not sure how recently
they scheduled it. Don’t think it was a 6 day option. Think the noon time was set sometime last week. You are right about the exposure. Not a ton of great games at the noon slot. Only 3 ranked teams playing at that time and FSU is one of them. You are right, 85 yards of offense is hyperbole. 185, however is not.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 11, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Field position
Field position from the special teams plays right into the whole Zone Defense also.
In that you don’t give up the cheap ones very often and you make them work for every yard.
JWJ
I know most people like him as a LB, but imagine having him in the third and early fourth quarter. Just a huge big back pounding a D-Line. Then a fast quick RB gashing them. I know it happened late in the fourth, but it could have happened earlier.
We already have that in Debrale Smiley
I just think he isn’t used to the system yet/ and or Lonnie is that much better at blocking at the moment.
Been thinkin about Debrale lately.
I just can’t see him doing what Lonnie does. He’s so vital that I wonder how successful we are w/ out his capabilities.
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I can't either
But if push comes to shove….I’d like Pryor leading the way for Smiley. Not having Ty Jones was huge for us and it didn’t even matter.
Man
A Pryor/Smiley combo (in any order) would be just nasty. Like trying to stand on a hill trying to stop a boulder and a mack truck.
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Don't Think Smiley will ever be a significant part of our offense.
He might have been just a package deal with Amp. Next year… we have JT and Ty = seniors. Thompson and Pryor = Juniors. JWJ and Freeman = Freshman. I just don’t see where Debrale will get carriers.
There is 0 available carriers next year. You have to get Wilder whatever carries Thomas Jones and Thompson don’t take. And then after that JWJ and Thompson are the featured backs.
by DoubleNickel on Oct 11, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd say next year and the year after he'll see more time with the rock in his hands
His junior and senior year
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Jimbo prefers big backs. I think we see him next year.
He’s still getting used to football again….
Disagree. Debrale was NOT just part of a package deal.
He is a force. He just doesn’t fit into our packages right now. He was never asked to block (or catch for that matter) in HS, so he’s having to learn how to do both. Add in a year off from football, plus our stable of RBs and you see why he’s sitting for now. Give him a chance to get better at blocking, and he WILL see the field.
We haven’t had the need for a short yardage back this season, but if we do, Debrale is the perfect solution. I would take him in a short yardage situation over any one else on our roster. He didn’t get the exposure that JWJ did, but I promise you he had some runs that compare favorably to JWJ’s.
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by SteadfastNole on Oct 11, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think Smiley ready to play yet but the coaches have to want to rest Lonnie.
If anyone watched the ESPN special I’m surprised Lonnie played against Wake if we could have trusted Smiley I have a feeling Lonnie would have rested.
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I don't think Smiley is near the player Pryor is or what Wilder can be.
And I was real high on Smiley. Hopefully he just needs a full year+ in the weight program.
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Old peoples, when was the last time
you saw FSU fire on all cylinders against a nationally ranked and rival opponent on the road?
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Probably something in the Weinke-era.
Tough to say because we were firing on ALL cylinders AND we were so physical. I mean were were taking shots on their WRs and putting them on the ground and both trenches.
I was at FSU in the early 90's and unless it was a top 5 team you expected that type of beating.
What I haven’t ever seen out of FSU is a running game like we have now. Dunn was great but this attack is different.
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Good question
Maybe the national title game against VT? Although Vick had a big second half. Offense and defense were ridiculous and we scored on special teams.
by RockoNole954 on Oct 11, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Umm...BC a couple of years ago
When we bitch slapped Matty Ice. You KNOW we rolled when Drew goes for 350+ yards
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Even though they weren't that great
I thoroughly enjoyed the 37-0 humiliating of Notre Dame in South Bend in ’03. Still a national name and somewhat of a rivalry game.
I was there, the game was all but over
An ND fan (older gentleman) wasn’t overly fond of our disparaging remarks regarding various ND relics (and the fact that we had destroyed his beloved football team), stood up and shook his fist and yelled something absurd. Without hesitation, one of our fans yelled the following in response, “Hey Rudy, how ’bout a picture for the grandkids!” We lost it.
1993 UF Game?
I don’t have any statistics for the game, but it fits all other criteria: UF is our biggest rival, the game was in G’ville, and UF was ranked 7th at the time. And I do remember enjoying the heck out of that game.
For firing on all cylinders against a major opponent on the road, the 1991 Michigan game is unbeatable.
Wasn't a beat down, though
33-21, right? Dunn’s late-ish TD secured the win.
It was a beat down
Consider the following.
UF converts a fourth down inside their 20 where we have Dean sacked, I think by Brooks but maybe Cowart, at their 1 but we let him get away and complete a throw. That drive would later be a TD.
We fumble at their one, Floyd.
We miss a chip shot field goal.
One of their TDs was the juggling Jack Jackson catch.
We physically wore them out that day. Go back and watch and you will see that uf was VERY FORTUNATE not to get beat about 48-14 or so.
And yet
It was 3rd down and 10 (8?) with the score 27-21 late in the 4th, 70-something yards from the end zone. Many uf fans say that the stadium was the loudest it had ever been when we lined up for the snap.
Hey, LSU supposedly outplayed uf last week, from what I hear (didn’t get to watch it), but the gates were one play away from winning it.
You can physically beat down a team, but for a true “beat down” I think the score should reflect that the game was never in doubt.
We were ahead by a more than two touchdowns.
Florida started coming back and got back within 6 points. They had us at 3-10 and damn near sacked Charlie. Charlie escaped and threw the ball to a streaking Dunn. The rest is history. The air instantly left the stadium. If we had given the ball back to them, I have no doubt they would have scored the go ahead touchdown. They had all the momentum at that point in the game. That is why that is the most important play in FSU history. If those guys do not make that conversion, there would be no NC in 1993.
1991 at UM?
Michigan, that is? Of course, they weren’t a rival.
Really, we played well offensively in hogtown in 03, got 31 offensive points in that one. And did it with our backs to the wall a couple of times, too!
Think Miami was ranked 6 when we beat them down there in 96 but really, they weren’t “that good.”
You're thinking of 2007
But I don’t think the O necessarily fired on all cylinders that night, the D was just suffocating.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
And BC was not really a number 2 team. They certainly weren't as good as UM this year.
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well,
they certainly had a better QB.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 11, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Weatherford played well that night.
But like BigSpear said BC wasn’t a true #2 team.
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I suppose this is coming this week and we just need to be patient – but I would like to hear your thoughts on the D – we gave up 425 yards or so and over 5 yards per play
I can’t recall a game back in the day (86-00) where either team got to 400 yards much less both teams – probation years notwithstanding.
17 points is great but the yardage seems a concern.
Oh – and I went to the game – and I have never experienced anything like the human cest pool that is the Miami student tailgating section…man I must be getting old.
A handicapper recently said that Miami would likely put up 5.2 yards per play against an average defense
So I’d call this performance slightly better than average. Don’t look at totals, because they are skewed by the sheer number of plays UM ran. I’d also point out that this game was on the road. We aren’t as good as OSU on D this year so to expect a dominant performance would be nuts. However, we performed far better than we did last year against the same team (at home mind you). The D won’t be lights out all year, youth and inexperience in the system dictate that. But if we can be above average and continue to improve, we’ll be very solid by the end of the year (it won’t hurt that we have one of the best rushing offenses in the country).
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I think the lead we managed to pull actually increased the final outcome on ypp.
Up 3+ scores, I think Stoops softended the defense considerably in the 2nd half — you give up 10 yards in the middle of the field without too much hesitation, in favor of chewing up 40 seconds and protecting against the big play. Time was on our side.
Anyone got ypp stats on 1st half vs. 2nd half (non-garbage time)?
I agree with this
The situation provided for us being “generous.” It’s why I don’t completely buy into the import of yards per play. I think you have to look at every situation in its own, individual slot and then, judge from there.
We’ve all seen games where QBs throw for over 400 yards in a loss, due to being down by a lot, early and having to throw to score a lot and quickly.
According to the numbers above
we allowed 4.09 ypp in the first half.
If you take out Jacory's 29 yard scramble
on the opening drive, the ypp drops to 3.56 in the first half.
The total yards per play is really deceptive since we had such a great first half performance. I mean, they had 51 plays in the first half alone. That’s just crazy!
You will see some of that against good teams
Remember the Stoops zone is designed to give up the short pass and run but not the big play. The idea is to make a team struggle going down field, wear them out and make them execute continously until they make a mistake which can be capitalized on. Miami was moving the ball but not putting the points up. This can also be frustrating to an offense.
We will most likely see NCSU, Clemson and UNC move the ball as well but hopefully not put it in the endzone.
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by DocHoliday2 on Oct 11, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I see it as FSU let Miami run the ball and some short underneath routes after it was up
because they knew Harris wouldn’t be patient with it. and thats exactly what happened. Game plan was to give them 5 yards a play, not 30 yard bombs
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11 x 21 = 231 yards ;)
easy check for multiples of 11: 2 and (2+1) and 1 yields 2 3 1
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I like these smart stats
but speaking of, when will the 2010 S&P D stats start to reflect the 2010 season—we’re 6 games in? After 6 weeks, FSU #64???
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
I think next week or the week after
But you gotta remember our performances against BYU, UVA, and Wake are unimpressive considering other teams did it to them too.
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 11, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
Interested b/c I got some $ riding on FSU > Michigan’s S&P D. Shouldn’t have anything to worry about…
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
You should be fine.
Michigan’s defense is terrible.
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Well, Wake hasn't been shut out
But I see what you are saying.
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S&P Rankings
Why is Miami’s defense still #2 if they just gave up 200 rush yd (before garbage time) and 31-38 points getting blown out? Granted the points came due to great field position for the Noles.
Other teams have dominated those three teams (UVA, BYU, Wake), but we shouldn’t be penalized for dominating them as well? Our defense, aside from one play, completely destroyed UVA. We pitched a shut out for 8 quarters. I’d say FSU’s defense is top 40 at the moment, so I tend to disagree with the 64 ranking.
Why after the next week or two will we see a jump in the S&P ranking that we don’t see now? Just curious. I have a general understanding of what the S&P considers in its measurement, but do not have an indepth knowledge of it.
by moneyNOLE24 on Oct 11, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
probably not updated yet.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 11, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey Bud......?
Any solid news on the injuries that some of our guys got in the Miami game. Just wondered if you had any info on the bumps and bruises that we had suffered. There were a lot of big hits and I know Rhodes, Moody, Hicks, and others got a little banged up.
Thanks.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 11, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess they don't want to talk much about Datko's injury
You never hear what is really wrong or how long it is estimated to be for. Certainly a different team with him in the game. I am hoping Foose can begin playing near a Datko level by next year. This guy is big also.
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by DocHoliday2 on Oct 11, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Bud, were you as surprised as I was that Datko hung in there like he did?
Either he is the toughest SOB to ever put on the G&G, or our S&C guys worked a damn miracle.
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Speaking of S&C, I think VV must be on a permanent Red Bull bender
That guy has more energy than anyone I’ve ever seen on a sideline.
He is a freak
and I mean that as a compliment. Was kind of interesting to watch him during this game. When the camera was on him it seamed he had a different role. Home games he is flipping out, jumping up and down, waiving a towel etc. This game is almost like he was the side line cop. He was doing his best to keep the players emotions under control and keep them focused. Smart guy. Knows when they need the motivation and knows when to tell them, “Go sit down and get some powerade.”
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 11, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Vic jumped in immediately to keep G5 from getting a personal foul
when he got knocked out of bounds on a kick return. He’s always right there to keep the players in check, he’s an asset on the sideline
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by SteadfastNole on Oct 11, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Looked like
he even kinda went and calmed Ponder down after he was throwing up the U. HAHA.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 11, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
He did.
At first I thought he was in the end zone, but it was on the bench. I can imagine the bullshit the team had to put up with from some UM fans.
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My buddy was there
said FSU bench was dealing with crap from Cane’s fans for a while. Probably shut them up pretty quick.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 12, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I was
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 11, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I would not be surprised to see Rhodes out this week.
He needs the rest, and I think we can all agree that Mike Harris has EARNED a start
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by The Ryno and I Know on Oct 11, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
But they don't play the same position I thought
Harris plays the Reid Position whereas Joyner plays the Rhodes position.
Right
I was thinking this as well, but was unsure. Is MIke well schooled to play both though?
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by The Ryno and I Know on Oct 11, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they are all cross trained
But the Boundary Corner needs to play press coverage whereas the Field corner is more read and react (where Harris clearly is better)
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 11, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I kinda haaate saying this...
But I saw a very Alabamaesque team on Saturday night. Tremendous performance.
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Offense shows way more potential than bama's
with equal talent, jimbo’s offense is better
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by SteadfastNole on Oct 11, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Thing about this is
With equal talent, I think Bama’s D is better. So it’s a wash. Although there really is no way to know, since we’ve never seen Mark’s D with elite talent.
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The playcalling was significantly better in this game than the previous 5.
Although, they may want to sh*tcan that lateral/fleeflicker whatever play. The receiver wouldn’t have been open anyway.
Timeouts were used much better in this game than say OU, where we really needed to slow down the no-huddle.
Bert is slowly losing it for me
I really think the new ranking for WRs goes as
A) Easterling
2) Haulstead
D) Reed
Green) Smith
Canes Lose) Shaw
Gators Lose) Dent
Someone please explain the rationale to me
Miami is a fast team, so we assume that we can expose their over pursuit by throwing in an end around? Is this correct, bc the way I see it is Miami is a fast team, so their speed can make up for the over pursuit while someone like BC, Wiscy or another team of northern fatties will get exposed.
I just don’t understand 1) why they even bother with the end around (given its inherent risk v reward) and 2) why they would think of doing it against another team with elite speed. PLEASE HELP ME UNDERSTAND
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by The Ryno and I Know on Oct 11, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Teams with Elite speed tend to get beat by these plays more then slow teams.
Slow teams tend to play more sound assignments due to the fact they cannot afford to get out of position. Look at BYU for an example. They stay home because they have too. Miami can afford to gamble and fly to where they think the ball is going, and rely on their speed to make up for the mistake.
II believe it is defensive discipline that determines what type of team you do these sort of plays against. In the past with lots of speed, FSU has been burned by this sort of play on numerous occasions.
BC is highly disciplined and doesn't really overpursue.
FSU had tons of speed last year but would get killed on cutbacks against the grain because we’d over pursue and get ourselves out of position and out of our lanes. We absolutely KILLED Miami on cutbacks against the grain on the inside zone play.
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OK
Well then, either A) We don’t block it well, 2) Its too easy for the D to read, or D) It takes too long to develop bc I have seen little success in this play when FSU runs it. I would rather see bootleg roll out to TE for 8-12 yards. My two cents
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by The Ryno and I Know on Oct 11, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
We ran an endaround against Miami for positive yards
The reverse was supposed to have a pass attached to it I believe.
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Once we showed we could run on them without the extra help UM would sell out on those runs opening up the counter.
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Agreed.
I think they playcalling was better because Jimbo kept it a bit vanilla against Sam, Wake, BYU, and UVA.
Didn’t want to give the Miami DC much to look at IMO.
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Did we run any bubble screens?
Not that we needed to, but first time I can’t remember seeing several. Or maybe I was just at the beverage stand when we did.
I bet Miami was expecting to
see a lot more. HAHAHAHA. Bet that was fun wasting a bunch of practice time on it.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 11, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Therein lies the shrewdness of Fisher.
Seriously, I know he takes this stuff game by game, but he AND Stoops are very judicious when it comes to tipping their hand.
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I didn't see a single one.
Jimbo EMBARRASSED the DC for UM…….he has been setting that guy up for failure since OU. Make them game plan for bubble screens & Ponder designed runs…then run zero of the former and maybe 2 of the latter. Sandbag some of your best plays because you know good they are & give them little to look at on film.
Guess what?? He’s gonna do the same thing to Florida….
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I have pondered this.
I think the play calling was influenced at first by personnel. Drew…well, he was Drew, and Xavier Lee probably couldn’t handle much. I also believe his play calling was influenced a bit by Bobby (possibly in red zone situations).
This year, he has his Sr. QB, a dynamite Jaccob Hesterish FB, and a squad of adequate running backs, all running behind a very impressive and seasoned OL.
So yeah, I think he has a little more to work with than before. Couple that with Ponder being the smartest player in college fooball (I don’t care if he’s “off”…outside of the triple coverage throw, he played excellent IMO), I think Jimbo now has more “freedom” to do what he wants, especially now that the defense can actually hold their own AND he’s got Coley in the booth helping out.
sorry for the novel.
Short answer was “Yes”
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by CornNole on Oct 11, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We have 0 5* players on offense 2-deep
We have 6 5* on defense 2-deep
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It's very apparent, too.
The WRs may be the least-talented of our positions.
by coonhound on Oct 11, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I disagree and bet Fisher does as well. Smith and Haulstead are exactly what Fisher wants at WR.
At slot Reed seems to be no longer progressing and Easterling is limited athletically but his production has been through the roof. Easterling fits the offense. Haulstead and Smith are going to be big time WR in a year or two.
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by CJNole on Oct 11, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
we need to see less of Reed.
seems like he plays with no heart.
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by PeachTreeNole on Oct 11, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty clear teams have been keying on him as our #1 this year.
I don’t think he’s playing with any less heart.
then he's a marginal talent
because he was whiffing on some very catchable balls, waiting for the ball to come to him, falling down in front of defenders rather than lowering his head for a few more yards, etc.
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by PeachTreeNole on Oct 11, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Not fair to say.
He’s just been thrust into a role this year that he’s not suited to. But we need him this year to win ballgames.
Smith and Haulstead are great talents
Jimbo runs a complex WR scheme and those guys are still young. Gotta make decisions on the fly, theyll grow into it.
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I'm talking about right now- not 2 years from now.
Haulstead and Smith are going to be big time WR in a year or two.
They certainly may become good, but they aren’t there yet. Easterling is steady, but not spectacular. Reed seems to have regressed. The freshmen WRs may become good.
But, at the moment, I think that unit as a whole is less talented than the others.
I think thats where its confusing
a lot of people do not equal talent with production.
Talented? Yes. Most productive? No.
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Tedd Ginn is 100% certain that comment is directed at him, and he is pissed
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by The Ryno and I Know on Oct 11, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Thompson can scoot.
Ryan Hill was the only defender I saw run down Thompson from behind once but nobody caught him on the 90 yarder.
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Yes and No
UM was ready for the game to be over for sure but they were lined up for run stop. Pryor paved the way and DESTROYED a UM linebacker and no UM guy could a) change direction to chase 2) get a good angle. Give up or not, that play could have gone for 90.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 11, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes that play ended up perfect for 90
And would have normally been good for a ton, but as gased as Thompson was, and 20 yards into the run he was already gased, I’m certain if they had some want to someone could have run him down. If Nigel Bradham could hawk down Chris Rainey then I’m certain someone from Miami could have run down Thompson purely due to his exhaustion level. The fact he ran the last 40 yards at a jog tells you something.
This is true.
But have to wonder how tired UM was after trying to track him down the first time during the penalty. Maybe they sent in some fresh guys. Maybe not.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 11, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Lol that was great
Cause him sitting there with the “I’m bout to die”, made me absolutely certain that the Canes on defense gave up cause there was nobody near him except a convoy of Noles.
Thompson had run 50+ yds on the previous play
But it had gotten called back due to a hold. I think it’s the first time I’ve ever seen a running back run 50+ yd.s on consecutive plays from scrimmage.
by CelticPride on Oct 11, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They didn't quit.
We just got a hat on every single one of them.
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That was a spectacular tackle.
Glad not everyone at UM tackled like that.
Thomson is the quickest we have, but that's not saying much.
Hill ran him down. He’s no Percy Harvin or Trendon Halliday.
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by PeachTreeNole on Oct 11, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly don't care about his top end speed a ton.
What is important is that he DOES seem to show elite burst when hitting the hole. Pretty impressive.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 11, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't Jimbo always say
I don’t care if he can break if for 80 just make sure you get the first down. Or is that something Bud said.
I know, right
I’ll be the first to admit that Urban Meyer is a damn good coach.
But this guy had the PERFECT storm. 2 once-in-a-coaching-career type players, with an asleep-at-the-wheel senior citizen as your in state rival to the north, and his “prodigy” as your OOS rival, with Mr. Im-too-lazy-to-recruit-my-own-backyard-so-I-make-excuses-when-Miami-kids-go-elsewhere down in Coral Gables.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
by CornNole on Oct 11, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I think he's good but nowhere close to as good as I thought he was 2 years ago.
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"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
Don't forget UT's troubles
The once tough SEC East has been pretty wimpy in meyer’s tenure – UGA’s been good, but not good enough to beat uf often. UT has been going downhill for a while, SC is having its first really good year, and Vandy and UK are rarely big threats.
Exactly what was running through my mind.
sigh
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Holliday couldn't break a tackle to save his life. Thompson is a tough tackle with good speed.
FSU football is the new case study for the outliers phenomon
FSU's defense is allowing 14.8 less points per game than last year.
What would our record have been last year had we allowed 14 less points to each opponent?
by Blue Horseshoe on Oct 11, 2010 12:12 PM EDT reply actions
all else being equal?
6 games in, we’d have been 6-0. But that’s not the way it would have gone. I’m just pumped we’re playing like this.
Hope we eat BC’s lunch.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Yep
Grind it out, play lights out defense, and limit injuries.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Oct 11, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Think of this: 3 of our 6 losses last year were by 7 points or less
2 by 4 points or less.
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
Our record would have been much better,
Bobby would be our HC, Amato our DC, and Jimbo likely would be looking for somehwere else to go… so yeah, I’m happy that last year was last year, and this year is this year thank you very much
I agree that the Special Teams played _great_
But our avg. starting field position was helped tremendously by the fumble return to the one yd. line. Nothing like a 0-1 to lower averages
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It was great seeing so many former players on the sideline. Reminded me when Miami used to do that. Always looks good to the recruits and current players.
Hi
Miami does not want to pay to be an elite program. The administration wants to graduate its players and not end up in the police blotter. Randy is the right coach for that.
When Miami faces a program with a real commitment to winning it will lose. The Canes will be a good team this year and 2011 but beyond that Shannon is sending this program crashing into the mountain. Miami is becoming like other private schools (Boston College?).
I saw this on another blog that I hardly read and never post on. But you read my mind. There are other UM fans that feel this too. I have said this for awhile. I cannot name one thing athletically that has gotten better with Shalala. She would turn us into Duke minus the really good football team.
I hope you don’t mind me posting here, I have always loved the rivalry between the two schools.
You're very welcome to post here
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Opposing fans are welcome here.....unlike 7th floor or Eye of the Hurricane
The douchebaggery of most Canes fans is exceeded ONLY by the douchebaggery of Gators fans.
Seriously…..reading those 2 sites is mind-numbingly retarded, and “the Truth” is one of the most colossal jackasses on the internet not named Palin, Beck, or O’Reilly.
Oderint Dum Metuant
I don’t know why 7th Floor chases you off? I started with Pensburgh (Pittsburgh Penguins blog) and I loved that fans of all other teams are welcome as long as the convo is good. Yeah, LOL “The Truth”. I don’t post on that blog. EVER. People see what they want to see. We really do have some knowledgeable fans – people I am friends with know what’s up. Every school has some a$$e$. I don’t care for Gator fans, had problems with them before because I lived in Central Florida for awhile.
Not chased off--I don't even bother.
It’s like aol fanhouse or ANY article on politics (from any perspective or slant):
Fukkin POINTLESS. The idiots outnumber the educated 100-to-1…..and those morons have nothing better to do then sit on their computer & spew retardation because their lives suck and they have nothing else to live for.
Watch the movie “Big Fan” with Patton Oswalt (Netflix)….and you will see a tiny FRACTION of what I am talking about.
Oderint Dum Metuant
Their format is different. But I am a live and let live blogger. I post there. Actually I know their occupations and they are busy, not much time for blogging
It doesn't appear to be a place for good discussion from rival fans.
Seems more like a shock blog than an info/discussion blog. I don’t care what you guys do over there, it’s your/their blog. It just doesn’t give me reason to frequent it.
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MIami
Unless their players are already big, they look really small. I mean someon posted on sun sentinel and said we have a good program or are using PED’s. Its called Strength and Conditioning. It’s called nutritionists on staff. It’s called Vic Viloria.
We have a good no great strength and conditioning coach in Andreu Swasey. But I would imagine the administration does not put $$ into nutritionists. I don’t really know though. I said the last couple of games our guys looked smaller.
I have read
the facilities there aren’t really anything amazing. Like nice high school football facilities.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 11, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I haven’t been in them but I do know that NFLer’s and not just UM alums come there in the offseason and train with Swasey there. They call the sand pit in the back “South Beach”. So while it may not be as fancy as other schools it is probably more than adequate. I am guessing there is not alot of nutritional support for the athletes, but I don’t really know that either.
With all their wealthy Alum football players
You would think they would donate and help out their beloved “U”. But then again I guess they figure “if it was good enough for us it is good enough for them.” Anybody have pictures of their facilities?
They do donate. I don’t know how much but I think alot of this falls on the current adm. This school is not as committed to a championship program as others. To say the least. And I don’t think that changes while she is in charge:
Can you give me the scoop on this $13M?
I’ve heard NOTHING in regards to the particulars.
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I heard discussion on Jax sports radio Mon AM
Someone was throwing in $5mm of the $13 and that someone is pissed and is calling a meeting of the big boy boosters for next Monday at the Clevelander bc he’s never appreciated Shannon and is threatening to pull out.
FWIW, this was from a caller who said he’s not on the senior booster leadership board but he’s been around awhile and saw the email requesting the meeting.
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by The Ryno and I Know on Oct 13, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
That's funny, but that's life.
Same crap was going on with us last year. So no particulars on what the money is supposed to be for? I’ve only read “facilities”, which says nothing.
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"Correct, Sir Trick."
I don’t know. I am glad you guys are in the loop! LOL!! – The Canes boards still have the razor to the wrist syndrome. I will see what I can find out.
Do they come for the facilities?
Or to go to the Clubs??
Dwayne Rock Johnson goes to work out there all the way from his home in Davie, but I think it is more of a social thing than a weight room thing.
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
But I haven't heard from who or for what, specifically.
Unless I just missed it.
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Who looked small for them?
Pickory/Stickory Harris is small, but their OL and DL are huge. Telemaque looked like a giant to me in their defensive backfield. Very impressive looking guy. They have some big WR. Their RB looked good sized. Where are they small?
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Trick I can’t remember. I just remember thinking that your guys looked bigger as a whole. With the exception of #57 for us. Our OL is getting better and bigger, but your OL pushed our DL around all night. McCarthy is not that big – #44 and Spence #31 could gain a few. I thought Ohio States guys looked bigger too. LOL maybe cause we lost both games
Your OL is bigger, but NOT better.
Your OL coach sucks ass. Art Kehoe was wayyyyyy better.
Your LB’s are the size of FSU’s SS. Seriously—225/230 range. Tiny.
Bailey will probably be better in the NFL then he is now. He projects as a 3-tech DT of 5-Tech DE, but he is a really good SDE in college……….but his coach sucks. Not entirely his fault.
Oderint Dum Metuant
Yeah I have seen in the past – our players hit the NFL having ok careers for us and blossom with the better coaching. #26 Rayray Armstrong has so much potential but I don’t think the coaching is there to help him develop. Anyway, until Willow is gone or the alumni\trustees raise holy @%! I don’t see much changing.
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Oderint Dum Metuant
Not the best place for it, but:
Best coaching debut: Jimbo Fisher, Florida State
Fisher had the unenviable task of replacing legendary Seminoles coach Bobby Bowden, who was forced to retire after 34 seasons at FSU. After six games, Fisher has the Seminoles in control of the ACC’s Atlantic Division with a 5-1 record. The Seminoles were walloped at Oklahoma 47-17 on Sept. 11, but they recovered to win their next four games, including a 45-17 rout of No. 13 Miami on the road Saturday.
Hard to argue
Can’t think of another 1st year coach in the top 30 http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings
Schlabach certainly ‘gets’ our situation too, given that he spent alot of time around the prgram while penning Bobby’s new book.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Oct 11, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting take.
I guess he would indeed be in a very good position to evaluate where we were coming from, with Bowden.
BC GAME
I’m fired up about saturday’s game. I just printed my tickets. Hope a lot of fans show up
Heard its another noon game. Hope it is not sweltering out there.
I damn near died during the Wake game, was my first home game in 2 years, and I had forgotten how hot it gets.
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It'll be cooler this game
It’s mid-October. Gotta be thinking mid-80s if that.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Thanks Bud
I really enjoy your articles on TN. Between your work and some of the other contributors, I have picked up a lot of knowledge concerning how the game is played. I pass what I learn along to others in my family and with my friends, and tell them to take a look at TN. There is almost always something to read that I can really get into. You know your audience and take the time to write so that the fringe fan ( like myself) understands what the more knowledgeable fan already conceptualizes.
I’ll be at the Boston College game down near the north corner of the south end-zone, sweating like crazy like I did at the BYU game. I hope the Noles have a great turnout, as my memories of some great games in the past have always had the “noise” factor. I wish they would bring back the spear that lit up as the noise became more intense. I have a feeling there is probably some NCAA rule against that happening.
Appreciate the kind words Panhandle Nole
And you won’t be sweating! Forecast is 70s at noon
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Seriously Bud..
Try at least somewhat not to give away all of our trade-secrets. I’m pretty sure the average TN reader would be an upgrade over several in not most of the coaching staff’s in the ACC.
I think opposing OCs are still getting shocked that they actually have to beat FSU's defense this year without the help of FSUs defensive coaches.
Grace I call Your name, Oh won’t Your smile fall over me, I’m cracked and dry on hands and knees, Oh sweet grace rain down on me I need You grace
-Phil Wickham
Definitely!
They have also not been ready for the physicality. No more pussy-footing around the field for us. We are going to crush opponents. I have been waiting for Saturday’s game since Jimbo got here. He has talked about it for a while, but he delivered it on Saturday night.
Bud... was it me or did we stunt seemingly every play on the first two drives?
I assume we were looking to exploit the “position inexperience” of Miami’s Oline? And when it didnt work with overwhelming success we abandoned the strategy for risk/reward purposes? My knowledge of the trenches is limited.
TBQH I watched coverage more in the stadium cause you can't see it on TV
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Replay of the FSU-Miami game from Saturday
Anyone know where I can find a replay online? I live in DC and can’t get it on any of the channels here.
ESPN3.com
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 11, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
They won't let me watch it here - b/c ABC bought the "rights" to the game
And of course, I never saw the end b/c they switched to the USC Stanford game after we went up 3 TD’s in the 4th (I don’t blame them, I just wish I could watch it online)
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