Talking Boston College at Florida State with BCInterruption.com
This week we are joined by our friends at BC Interruption. I have to admit that I really enjoy doing these question and answer sessions with the other ACC writers as we are a tight-knit group. Brian and Jeff do a tremendous job and are the main reason I have more respect for Boston College now than I did before I started writing (that, and BC has whipped FSU three of the last four years). Be sure to visit them and check out my answers to their questions as well. Let's get to it and find out more about the Eagles...
Multi-part: Going into this season, many people thought BC had a legit chance at the division and a 10-win season. The defense has held up its end of the bargain, but the offense has not. What are the problems with the offense? Would it be easier to list what is not broken with this offense? How much does BC miss the offensive coaches who left with Tom O'Brien and Jags?
Where do you want to begin? It starts with the Eagles offensive line, who has severely underachieved. The line hasn’t gotten the push to establish the running game with Montel and hasn’t given the Eagles signal callers enough time to go through their progressions. Spaz keeps juggling around the starters on the offensive line hoping that something will click but so far, the line play has been pretty poor. It was a bit better in the game last weekend against N.C. State, but there’s still a long way to go. There’s way too much talent on the line for them to be underachieving the way they are (second most returning offensive line starts in the conference).
At quarterback, Dave Shinskie and Mike Marscovetra have proven that they aren’t the answer for BC. Their footwork is off and something isn’t right with Shinskie’s throwing motion. Neither is a long-term solution for BC. Chase Rettig showed promise in his limited time against Notre Dame, but again, if the offensive line doesn’t improve, Rettig will be limited by his line play.
The wide receivers are incredibly inexperienced. BC is starting one senior (Ifeanyi Momah) and three freshmen / redshirt freshmen on this week’s two-deep roster. The Eagles were dealt a pretty significant blow when Colin Larmond Jr. went down with an injury in fall camp. The WRs have shown some potential, but without a decent QB to get them the ball, this is one of the weaker units on the Eagles offense.
About the only thing that has gone right is the running game. Montel Harris has only managed 4 yards a carry, but is getting those yards largely despite the poor play of the line and opponents stacking the box, not respecting Shinskie’s arm.
As for the coaching, something isn’t right with the offensive line. I believe that goes back to coaching. Same with the quarterbacks, whose footwork is all sorts of awful. I didn’t really care much for Dana Bible’s offenses under Tom O’Brien, but I do miss Steve Logan. A lot of people say that Logan’s success at BC was all because of Matt Ryan. I disagree, as Logan proved that he could adapt his offensive game plan based on the personnel available. I mean, BC got back to the ACC Championship Game with Chris Crane under center.
Would you be alright with Spaz if he brought in some offensive minds who did not come out of retirement? How much pressure is he under from the BC community? Are there other things he must change aside from the offense?
Other than coaxing Mike Leach out of retirement, yes. I’d welcome some new coaching blood on the offensive side of the ball. If things continue to spiral out of control for BC, I think you’ll see one of two things – either the school simply cuts their losses and breaks ties with Spaziani, or BC gives Spaziani another year under the condition that he gets rid of Gary Tranquill and completely overhauls the coaching on offense.
Tranquill is under some fire from the BC community, though I think most fans have directed their ire towards Spaziani. After all, he was the one that pulled Tranq out of retirement and gave him another coaching go-around.
Having seen excellent defenses mixed with terrible offenses before when Jeff Bowden was around, 'Nole fans know that those defenses eventually start to take chances and play outside the scheme because they realize the offense just won't score. Have you seen this from BC's defense yet? If not, do you worry it might happen?
The BC defense isn’t absolved of all blame. While the linebacking play has been good-to-great, BC still can’t sustain pressure on opposing quarterbacks and the defensive backs have been playing soft coverage. Russell Wilson is an excellent QB and he had his way with the Eagles pass defense on Saturday.
The run defense has been very good statistically, but we’ve also played teams (Weber State, NC State) that don’t rely heavily on the run.
I don’t think we’ve seen the defense press just yet. It could easily happen, especially if they are on the field for 35+ minutes like they were against N.C. State.
How important is it for BC, whether it gets a new coach or not, to maintain its M.O. of tough, disciplined, physical football? Could you ever see BC going to the spread full time?
I think it’s important to maintain an identity distinct from other ACC programs. I really believe that part of the Eagles’ success in the conference has been because they are different from other ACC programs. Any sort of competitive advantage comes from BC’s identity as a northern Catholic school that plays tough, disciplined and physical football.
Under Jags and Steve Logan, I could have seen BC going to the spread full time. Or at least a modified spread that fits the strengths of their offensive personnel. Spaz is much more old school (and Tranquill WAY old school) so I think that the guys that Spaz is bringing in will continue to play a brand of football that made BC successful in the early 2000s under Tom O’Brien. Whether that be under Spaz or someone else, I think the next few years will look much more like TOB football than Jags/Logan football.
How does BC keep finding these tackling machines? Luke Kuechly leads the nation in tackles and seems to get better and better.
Kuechly has been a welcome surprise and one of the few bright spots of the team through 5 games. He has great instincts and just seems to always find a way to the ball. He recorded 20 tackles last week and is averaging 14.2 a game, tops in the nation. It’s still early, but Kuechly has the chance to become one of the greatest BC linebackers of all time. The scariest part is he’s just a sophomore.
As for how BC keeps finding guys like Kuechly? No idea. Kuechly is a product of BC’s Cincinnati recruiting pipeline that Tom O’Brien established in the late 1990s and early 2000s. BC has had a lot of success recruiting guys from St. Xavier HS in Cincinnati – Tom O’Brien’s high school – and the greater Cincinnati area.
Given that BC is starting a freshman on the road, would you prefer BC use more of its big personnel (2 TE, FB, HB, 1 WR), protect the football, not turn it over, and run clock in order to protect Rettig, even if it meant the possibility of scoring points decreased?
I’m not sure it would be possible for point scoring to decrease, seeing as the offense has only managed less than 10 points a game in non-garbage time in their last 3 losses. BC needs to make an adjustment on offense. If that means using big personnel and opening the playbook to include some things we have yet to see this year, then I would welcome that (though we really haven’t seen one offensive play that BC has been consistently successful with, which is incredibly sobering).
I’m not too worried about BC’s young QB getting rattled or hurt on Saturday. The season is all but lost anyway at this point. A loss this Saturday all but eliminates BC from the Division title. Even with a win, BC would still need some help to get back to the Championship Game. Might as well start building for the future and develop Rettig by throwing him to the fire.
For BC, it didn’t have to come to this. The coaching staff could have decided that they would play the best guy under center (Rettig) and not tiptoe around the redshirting issue, and I think this season could have turned out much different. As it is though, the coaching staff went with the incumbent (Shinskie) and the wheels have pretty much fallen off BC’s season as a result.
Has FSU's resurgence within the division along with NC State's newfound success caused you to re-evaluate your multi-year goals for BC as a program?
I think it’s still too early to project out the Atlantic Division title race multiple years out based on the first half of the 2010 season. Florida State and N.C. State have both gotten off to fast starts, but I’m not ready to crown the Seminoles or the Wolfpack the Atlantic Division champ for the next 3-5 years. Other than the Miami game, which FSU clearly manhandled, most projected FSU at 4-2 or 5-1 at this point in the season anyway. NC State has been more of a surprise this year, but O’Brien’s crew still has games against Florida State, Clemson and North Carolina to knock them back down to earth a bit.
I will say this though. I firmly believe that 2010 will go down as one of the biggest wasted opportunities in program history. BC was handed a gift schedule in 2010. A schedule that included:
That schedule was cake (anytime a BC, FSU or Clemson draws Duke and Virginia from the other side, you have to capitalize). Combine that with some great storylines – Herzlich’s return, Johnathan Coleman’s "Blind Side"-esque story, Castonzo’s Rhodes Scholarship candidacy – and like you said, this season had all the makings of a division title and a 10-win season.
- Duke and Virginia from the Coastal Division
- Four straight home games to start the season
- An extra week to prepare for Virginia Tech
- Virginia Tech, Notre Dame and Clemson at home – three teams that beat BC a year ago
- No 2009 bowl teams in the month of November (Wake Forest, Duke, Virginia, Syracuse)
In the short term, next season doesn’t look promising. BC has just six home games and road trips to South Bend, Blacksburg, Clemson and Miami Gardens. Other than the game against FSU next season, the home schedule is largely uninteresting (Wake Forest, NC State and Duke come to Chestnut Hill, along with Northwestern to open the season and UMass). Ticket sales will be soft.
I’m not expecting the Eagles to make noise in the Atlantic Division race next season given a brutal road schedule. In general though, I don’t think the multi-year goals should be lowered or altered. BC has proven that they can compete in the ACC Atlantic and in most years, I think our football program will be competitive and have a shot at the division title going into October and November.
A big thanks to Brian and Jeff for the extremely thoughtful answers. Be sure to visit their site to read what I had to say about Florida State and to view their analysis of the game as well.
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He's honest
And I like that. I personally believe that with more time under Jimbo’s new philosophy of coaching and strength and condition FSU won’t get beat by the teams that just try to play sound fundamental football but are lacking in talent. I feel like this year and next year are the only hopes for other Atlantic foes until they make the commitment like FSU did in the offseason to go all in and make the program become competitive on the large picture not just in the ACC.
I totally agree especially since our talent level is about to skyrocket over the next few years.
The way I see it we’ll pull at least two five star players this year with a good shot at four. Jimbo has shown me that he has the ability to scout talent and I would not be surprised if we have a Xavier Rhodes in each class going forward (three star rated kid that Jimbo thought was a five star coming out of HS).
FSU football is the new case study for the outliers phenomon
BC signed only 8 four star prospects from 2007-2010 and 0 five star.
Only 2 of their 14 commitments currently are four star guys. Again, 0 five star. There’s really no reason we shouldn’t win 8 out of 10 with these guys.
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Take that with a grain of salt
While I am not claiming BC is bring in talent on the level of FSU, our recruiting rankings are always lower than you would expect. Look at our best players – Harris, Castonzo, Kuechly, Herzlich, and you have two two-stars and two three-stars.
Recruiting rankings will always favor big schools. The bottom line is rivals/scout/espn are businesses, and they will bring in more business making bigger schools with more fans happy than a small school like BC. Again, this is not to diminish your recruiting classes, just to put ours in perspective.
by 31southst on Oct 14, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I buy that to an extent, but don't think it makes up the difference.
All schools have 3 star guys that play well. We have 7 starters and a key backup that were 3* or less. But more often than not, the greater the stars, the better the player, right?
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I agree
I definitely think it’s true that higher ranked players tend to play better. I’m just saying that BC doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt the way a school like FSU might. I think to a certain extent, ranking services think along the lines of “if FSU recruited him he must be good.” BC never gets that benefit.
Completely agree.
And I’d even be willing to arbitrarily double your “true” amount of 4* to make up for it, because that bias does exist. I personally have a problem with how they rank players anyways, but I won’t get off on that tangent.
We should always have more sheer talent simply due to our location.
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If I were a recruiting analyst
I’d look more favorably upon an OL/DL recruit if BC was hard after them. Speaks to a kids toughness and character. Unfortunately, those guys are hard enough to eval.
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AS i said before..............
how the heck can anybody consider boise then? Look back at how few 3 stars they have, much less fours or fives. No ^^%$ WAY they compete week after week with a major conference.
Yea, no chance.
I’m really not sure if a TCU, Utah, Boise State or BYU would even win a conference like the Big East because of that.
But if they were to join the Pac 10, for example, they’d be able to recruit better to potentially keep up with the increased strength of their opponents.
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I think TCU could do it.
Sooooo much talent from Texas. IMO they’d perform better than Boise, Utah, and BYU (obviously…cuz they suck)
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You mean in a few years or right now?
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Well, it depends on a few things
1.) Gary Patterson/Dick Bumpas has to stay. If they go, that goes out the window IMO.
2.) If they make it to a BCS game and notch a win over a bigtime program, I think their stock goes uip.
Unfortunately, TCU is in a very delicate predicament. Once they lose, they’re done IMO. An undefeated season and a big win in 2012 could help erase some of the questions about their legitimacy.
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I don't think any of them could go in right now and just flat out dominate the Big East, and maybe none would even win it (if you only threw in one at a time and played the season, then threw in a 2nd team and ran the season, and so on).
Simply because they don’t really have the “talent” that several in the Big East have. The depth of the Big East is too good in comparison to the MWC or WAC that I don’t see any way they go 8-0 in conference play.
I do think a school like TCU could really make an impact in the Big East. Like you said, they’ve got Texas talent they can draw from and unlike USF, they’ve actually gone undefeated (in regular season), won their conference and gone to a BCS bowl. We may find out as there’s supposedly been some interest and talk between TCU and the BE.
I think it’ll be interesting to see what happens to Utah the first few years in the Pac 12. Will they go 9-3/10-2 consistently or will they take some lumps and maybe go 6-6/7-5 a few times? I don’t see them turning into an Oregon type team though. They don’t have the facilities, or, the uniforms – yes, the uniforms – of Oregon. I just see them fading into the same role as every other Pac 12 school save for Washington State, USC (while on probation) and Colorado. Same with BYU if they went that route, which is basically what they’re doing, the independent BCS route a la ND, I guess.
I think Boise State would become irrelevant in a major conference. That quirkiness with lesser talent works a few times per year when you can catch people off guard and only have to get up for a few games, but vs a schedule of 8+ schools with just as much or more talent than you and respectable/great coaching staffs to figure out how to shut you down, you’re done. And you’re in Idaho, so…sorry.
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I think TCU would have 1 loss in the BE
if they were there this year. Everyone in that league except WVU is offensively challenged, and I don’t think the defenses there are so physical that the attrition would add up the way it would in most other BCS conferences. Some of the teams over there are just plain bad. All of them except WVU would be bottom tier teams in the ACC this year.
by osceolafan2.0 on Oct 15, 2010 6:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't disagree with the BE being bad, but I still think it's better than the majority of the MWC/WAC.
Only reason I wouldn’t expect any of those “BCS busters” to go unscathed.
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I see your point...but
what do you think you could do with better talent? Don’t you think a 5-star would perform that much better given the same variables?
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 14, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Granted FSU has wasted away countless 4 and 5 stars the last several years
But I see that changing completely now that we have a competent staff
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 14, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes, it was a joke
I thought readers would catch it when I wrote: “are you sure you didn’t interview Kirk Herbstreit [and not Bud Elliot]?”
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
I defended him already
A dumb comment, especially in light of what their own posters are saying about their team, on that site and elsewhere.
Now he's been called a class-A douchebag
This should be fun.
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by AMFKNole on Oct 14, 2010 10:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
vast majority of comments so far are from on the BC site are from TN posters.
I would hate to have to do a question time like this. On the one hand I wouldn’t want to sound cocky, but the simple fact is we have NO reason to think BC will beat us this week. I’d be tempted to say something like “Well, you never know, I kinda expect BC to come out and give us a tight game.” But then that’d be a complete lie. I don’t expect a tight game.
I pretty much ignore Mike.
Wouldn’t let it bother you
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 14, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I figured it was an undercover Cane fan......LOL
After reading the Meltdowns from Canes fans on the blogs(All Canes, EOTH) all week. Retarded people deserve a Hell of a lot more credit, then to be compared to/associated with Cane fans.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
BC
has always been an over achiever. And good for them. But they also benefited from FSU deciding it didn’t want to play football for a decade. When FSU is firing on all cylinders (coaching, recruiting, development), BC will find that competing is much more difficult. BC Interruption is a great site. Those guys do good work.
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Our lack of good SC program really helped BC over the last ten years. They had men upfront and we had kids.
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Yes very good point
I would throw the SC program under development. It also had to do with not great talent on the Dline. BC’s oline is still big and physical. Maybe they just aren’t playing as a unit this year. Will be fun to see what FSU’s Dline can do against them. I want some MORE SACKS!
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 14, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Great job on both sites.
BC Interruption is a good site. It’s a shame that they hardly get any comments over there.
i was just about to say
the only comments are from TN posters
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by SteadfastNole on Oct 14, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I love this site, but.....
There is quite a bit of sarcasm thrown around and Bud can come off as cocky sometimes. So, if you weren’t familiar with the site, then….
by NoleySmokes on Oct 15, 2010 6:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
makes you appreciate the fact there are so many people on TN day in and day out. All hail Bud!
I just can't agree.
BC has proven that they can compete in the ACC Atlantic and in most years, I think our football program will be competitive and have a shot at the division title going into October and November.
BC has been able to compete while the pre-eminent program had tied its own arm behind its back. Further, the malignant FSU coaching tree, or more aptly coaching fungus, had infected both NC State (finally coming out of it) and Clemson (ongoing infection, prognosis currently not so good). So you’ve had close to a decade with 3 of the 4 strongest football programs in the division hamstrung. Going forward, with Clemson, NC State, and by far most importantly, Florida State, operating at anything close to capacity, Wake and BC will be battling for scraps.
Still appreciate you folks for ’93, though.
Never considered Bowden's far reaching affect (effect?) on the Atlantic Division before
Kinda crazy he managed to shut down the three most viable candidates in one division when his coaching progeny.
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by AMFKNole on Oct 14, 2010 10:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If you throw in UGA with Richt,
you’ve basically got the whole SE coast in a Bowden-induced malaise. Arguably, what could have been the most successful programs in Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, and North Carolina all operated well below capacity in the 2000s.
And folks wonder how Urban had so much success? Just look at all the talent he pulled from those states. Welcome back to reality, Mr. Meyer.
Heck, I'm going to take it a step further and blame us for UM's demise as well.
Had UM not been kicking us into the ground (2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004) due to our ineptitude, their fans/administration would not have been as tolerant of the obvious slide under Coker, and might have swapped out their head guy before it was too late.
It wasn't that they fired Coker too late. It's that they hired Shannon to replace him.
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Georgia WAS the most successful program in Georgia during the 2000's, and I wouldn't even say it's close.
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Did you read what I was replying to?
Georgia was damn good for 7 straight years in the middle of the 2000’s. No, it’s no joke.
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I agree they were good,
but saying that Georgia was the best team in Georgia is almost like saying FSU was the best team in Tallahassee during the 2000’s.
Sounds good.
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The point was these programs were self-handicapping.
(The verbiage got a little tricky because I was intimating FSU could/should have remained top dog in Florida.)
Along the same lines, Clemson was probably still better than USCe for most of the decade, too, and NC State was top dog in NC for the first part of the 2000’s as well… but none of those teams have been playing near their potential on the whole, allowing UF to run at 150% of capacity.
There are certainly varying degrees of Bowdenitis, though. UGA’s situation was/is still an upgrade over an unexplainably long period of awfulness, but they’re still not capitalizing on what they could be.
Could UGA really have been much better from, say, 2002-2007 or so?
And I agree they probably weren’t as good as they could have been, but that can be said for most teams, can’t it?
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I haven't run the numbers, but relative to preseason rankings I think it's a safe bet.
The top dogs from several other SEC states — Louisiana, Alabama, and Florida — have all managed titles over the last decade, while Georgia hasn’t even made it to a title game. Arguably, they peaked in 2002 — their only 1-loss season.
They should be able to own Georgia recruiting and pull their share from surrounding states. Instead they’ve been butting heads with Clemson and a deteriorated FSU program.
More than any of this, though, I think of them this way because they repeatedly Richt themselves out of contention. It’s his classic M.O. to choke on the big stage.
That is a good point.
The top dogs from several other SEC states — Louisiana, Alabama, and Florida — have all managed titles over the last decade, while Georgia hasn’t even made it to a title game. Arguably, they peaked in 2002 — their only 1-loss season.
Five of the past 7 SEC champs won the NC. Only Auburn and Georgia did not in that time frame. And Georgia won it twice in the past 8 years, whereas Auburn only won it once.
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And Auburn went undefeated one year
Just had some bad luck title game-wise. Who knows what would have happened?
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Yea, I was trying to say Auburn not winning it once was much less damning than Georgia not winning it twice.
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I'm hoping FSU will win the division 75% of the time for the foreseeable future
Unrealistic?
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by SeminoleMike on Oct 14, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe an undershot. Call it 4 out of 5.
We’ll have to see if NCSU can capitalize on UNC’s demise to know for sure.
Clemson is spiraling the longer Dabo sticks around. After Bellamy (maybe), there will be no more Spillers coming out of FL to bail that team out.
Even when they wake up, in light of the Dabo hire… can they be trusted to make an astute hire the next go-round?
BCMike22
seems to be pretty upset that FSU isn’t tied down by incompetent coaches anymore.
In Jimbo, We Trust.
I really only disagree with him on one thing
and that is the future of BC football. The guys at BCI are great, but I don’t think they have seen a truly elite program up front and personal since the old days in the BE playing Miami. Going forward BC can be a solid 8 win team most years, but if FSU gets rolling the odds are stacked against them ever truly being in the division title race. And if NC State and/or Clemson ever stops screwing around things become harder for the Eagles. Once their coaching advantage was lost so was hope of them being a major player in the Atlantic.
I am not so sure of that.
BC still plays solid defense and this seems like it will continue for several more years. All they need is a star QB to develop and they can compete with the rest of the division. Look at what they did when Matt Ryan was there – great QB and O-line, solid defense, and nothing else and they still made it to #2 in the country! Or look at Michigan this year; not very talented anywhere except at QB, where Robinson has single-handedly got them into the top 25. A great QB coupled with a solid defense can make for a great college team (think Texas with Vince Young).
Plus, who competes with BC for recruits in New England? UConn? Syracuse? Seems to me like they have a corner of the country devoid of any major powers to pull athletes from.
"all they need is a star QB"
is a major thing to need. We just needed a star QB for the last decade. And BC also needs some better WRs, a better OL and a better offensive coaching staff. Also Michigan is a joke produced by a poor schedule. They are going to get shredded in B10 play.
As for comp for recruits in New England, that is a trick question because there are little to no top quality recruits in that part of the country. Most definitely not enough to keep up with FSU or a well run Clemson, Miami, UNC, NC State, or Va Tech. BC doesn’t have the recruiting base to thrive in an ACC with an elite FSU and 3 or 4 good programs out of the Clemson, NCSU, VT, Miami group.
by osceolafan2.0 on Oct 14, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
So what does that make Daryl Dickey?
Strange things are afoot at the Circle-K.
Well to a certain extent I agree
I think it’s a combination. You can be trained, but you have to be born with it to an extent. Look at Peyton, he was a QB legacy but he worked his ass off to get where he is too.
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Agree, I'm not discounting genetics one bit.
But I think I believe, definitively, that a player cannot become a great QB at the collegiate level (or higher) without solid position coaching.
If I'm not mistaken, didn't we just take a couple of guys from Conn. last year?
There aren’t a lot of top guys in New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine, etc. I suppose if I was a top guy in one of those states and wanted to stay close to home, I’d look at BC, Rutgers, UConn, Syracuse, Penn St., Pitt, Ohio St., Army, maybe Maryland, Navy, Cincy
The advantage of a Big East team is that they don’t have to play the same level of competition, road to the BCS bowl is easier.
Either guy was a local kid. Both went to Prep School in CT.
FSU football is the new case study for the outliers phenomon
You act like when BC had Matt Ryan that FSU wasn't mediocre and that Michigan doesn't still suck.
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Wouldn't use Michigan as an example
their defense is atrocious and until Rodriguez figures that out they will not be nationally relevant. They will likely drop a few more this year. Even with Shoelaces.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 15, 2010 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I've heard from fellow Noles that BC fans are the worse in the ACC.
Multiple times I’ve heard from FSU fans that traveled to Boston to watch our past games, that BC fans are the biggest A-holes, worse than Miami, crazy I thought, but heard this from different groups of people. I have no first-hand experience.
Anyone tend to agree/disagree?
Disagree
Maryland
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 14, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Those guys are horrible for basketball
I can only imagine them for football.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
I have never really wished ill will on a person
until I met Greivis Vasquez
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 14, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I barely follow basketball
and even I have to admit, I completely agree.
FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.
by onebarrelrum on Oct 14, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
That actually surprises me. Thanks for the enlightment.
I know a group of about 20 people going to the Maryland game, I’ll pass the news.
I always assumed it would be Miami
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by SeminoleMike on Oct 14, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
you have to consider
them there yankees look down on us hillbilly folk in the south.
by DoubleNickel on Oct 14, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
"Double-wide"
you know we don’t know how to use hyphens. come on.
by DoubleNickel on Oct 14, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
missed the h in whyde
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by stevegrizzle on Oct 14, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
cool hwhip?
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 14, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Maryland is south of the Mason-Dixon line, fwiw.
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ya i was thinking the same thing...
and i think they may have sympathized with the Confederacy
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They did.
Didn’t Lincoln shut down the Maryland legislature to prevent them from seceding?
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by Drew J Jones on Oct 14, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea, he threw them all in prison.
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I love history
especially the parts nobody learns in school, which seems to be all of it.
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 14, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Well don't take that as complete fact from me.
He did imprison many influential southern sympathizers though.
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oh no I'm not
I just like how people have some skewed view of history from being told by teachers and media, but when they actually go look it up they see things like President Roosevelt imprisoning his own citizens because of their Japanese, German, or Italian descent.
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 14, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea, but despite all that we think we have the responsibility to police the world...
smh
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 14, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh, Roosevelt's internments are pretty well known.
Although the school lessons are almost exclusively focused on Japanese citizens rather than Italians or Germans.
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by Drew J Jones on Oct 14, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup, don't recall ever being told I-talians and zee Germans were imprisoned.
And Craig James, just maybe 30 minutes ago on ESPN, said, “May Day, quit using those big words. I have no idea what No-Nostradamus is.” Oh boy…
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I only learned that Roosevelt brought us out of the Great Depression and was one of the greatest Presidents in American History
He gave us the Department of Education and Social Security, I cannot contain my gratitude for him.
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 14, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Er...
…the Dept of Education was created under Carter, not Roosevelt. Before that, it was part of the Dept of Health, Education and Welfare — created under Ike. DoHEW is now the Dept of Health and Human Services.
Just for the record.
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by Drew J Jones on Oct 14, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
You really never know what you'll learn on this site.
by Gulfport Nole on Oct 14, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Dad was a history major.
So I really had no choice about learning this stuff in school. Learned it at home anyway. :)
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by Drew J Jones on Oct 15, 2010 6:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Want a real treat
do some research on FDR, interstate commerce clause, and packing the court.
tyrant.
by DoubleNickel on Oct 15, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'll thank him for Social Security
when I never receive a dime of it.
Gov’t funded pyramid schemes are the best.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
My Grandfather was not allowed to fight in Europe because he was born in Italy.
His younger Brother was born in New York….and was amongst the first ashore at Normandy.
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Mine fought in the South Pacific.
Dunno if it was because he was German, or because he wanted to be in the Marines.
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by Drew J Jones on Oct 15, 2010 6:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Marines only fought in the Pacific.
I’m the only Marine in my family tree. Both Russo brothers were Army. My Grandfather’s unit (41st Infantry) fought on Biak, the Phillipines, and was schedule to be on the initial invasion of Mainland Japan.
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In fairness, the South basically took over Atlanta for the same reason.
As I recall, ATL had a lot of Union sympathizers. And I wouldn’t be shocked to find many of them were thrown in prison.
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by Drew J Jones on Oct 15, 2010 6:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Just by looking at pictures, Maryland has the dumpiest stadium in the ACC.
(Random comment of mine.)
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Byrd Stadium is going away the worst in the ACC. They seat opposing fans in the triple upper deck near one of the endzones. You are so high up, you can see the U.S. Capitol building on the horizon (roughly 7 miles away).
Little to no tailgating. Tailgating scene is almost as bad as it is at BC. The only reason tailgating sucks at BC is we have no space and our neighbors don’t like the school, so there are all sorts of restrictions on when, where and for how long.
What we lack for tailgating though, we make up for in attractions if you get the change to explore Boston a bit.
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You can't drive up on the curb and park in a green and pull out a tent and grill and some cornhole and a keg and partay?
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You can’t park in a green. You can park in front of the Comcast Center though and tailgate. The problem is the stadium is a pretty far walk away from visitor tailgating.
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You guys should start up a bike transportation service.
We have folks who have bikes that pull some “buggy” thing where like 4 people can sit in the back or so and ride to the stadium from their vehicle.
And I figured greens were no go’s, but there aren’t grassy areas off the roads on campus with a patch of grass you can set up at?
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Bingo
Maryland is terrible. BC might not be great, but Maryland is really, really bad. And their fans are like Miami’s only with less tradition and yellow gold.
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Ya those visitor's section seats are atrocious
I love how you guys pump in crowd noise too.
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Ive been to Duke
they play football in front of high school bleachers, and inside their track. It gets no worse than that.
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Good point.
2nd dumpiest
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 15, 2010 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Because he can't stop dumping food into his belly?
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Nice.
IMO that is the highlight of that movie.
by Gulfport Nole on Oct 14, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Have some sympathy.
They do, after all, have to live in “Mrrrrrlnd”.
/ex-virginia snob
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by Drew J Jones on Oct 14, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
well it is Boston after all...
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by NorFla_Nole on Oct 14, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Disagree
I went up there to BC’s first ever ACC game and was treated very well by their students; we played their lame games, they gave us beers and let us use their restrooms. Top Notch as far as opposing fans. Miami on the other hand are the WORST! scUM of the earth. I almost got into two fights at the game, I really think UM “fans” enjoy having that reputation and individually take it upon them self to further their stereotype.
by NationWideNole on Oct 14, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Disagree...I went to the first ACC game at BC
Most of their fans were pretty cool. Heck, we were kind of showing them the way of tailgating (cause they aren’t very good at it). The following year in Tally, I invited a group of them to our tailgate…they were very impressed (course it helped that my buddy’s daughter and some of her sorority sisters were there).
BTW-The city of Chestnut Hill really handcuffs their tailgating.
Gripper
Yup
Parking doesn’t open until 90 minutes before kickoff and you have to be out of the lot 90 minutes after the final whistle. The one thing they do have down pat is setting up a tailgate in less than three minutes.
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by mmmCheese on Oct 14, 2010 5:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Correct.
Handcuffed by the city of Chestnut Hill.
Tailgating starts three hours before the game, and can go 1 hour after the final whistle (unless it’s an 8 PM kickoff, then there’s no tailgating after the game).
I think we’ve gotten it down so we can set our tailgate up in about 10 minutes.
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Ah it's three hours? I thought we'd been told 90 minutes the weekend I was there.
We were at the ‘07 game and I’ll never forget sitting in one of the parking garages a little early (Dad had managed some sort of special pass because he brought the Butkus Award to the game). The garage was totally except for our rental car when all of a sudden, cars just start whipping in at breakneck speed and people started jumping out in a whirlwind of activity. I never saw so many tailgates setup at one time so quickly.
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We tailgate in the grass in front of the parking garage. It’s a mad dash land grab before the game. It’s actually a cool thing to see.
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Last year me and a couple friends brought 2 trashbags full of beer cans with us at 7 am cause we were gonna try to get in to gameday
But the line was too long and we didn’t want to trek abck to my apartment carrying all the beer. So we just left it in a random hallway connected to the library I believe and went back home. When we returned all the beer was still there and still cold. It was beautiful.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
That sucks something fierce.
Wicked fierce?
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by tricknole on Oct 14, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Indeed
Wicked fierce.
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by Brian Favat on Oct 14, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
My parents agree
They went to the game in 2007 and said the BC fans are horrible POS. They ended up leaving in the 3rd quarter because they didn’t want to do anything to the douches to get arrested.
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I went to the 2007 game and definitely ran into my share of FSU fans that weren’t very friendly. Also realize the context. That was BC’s first loss of the season after an 8-0 start. Pretty soul-crushing loss.
Every fan base has fans like this.
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forgot about that
I probably would have been a little pissy too
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 14, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
We have passionate fans but some are really lacking in the class department.
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Bud, Surprised by your 11 win prediction..
did I get that right?
If it wasnt too much trouble, I was wondering if you were interested of doing a 1/2 season breakdown of your adjusted win % s
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by harper.rb on Oct 14, 2010 11:37 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
11-3
Kinda tempers expectations
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 14, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah, totally missed the "in 14 games" comment
hah, was thinking regular season only. Well that sounds more like the Bud I know.
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last time we won 11 games was...
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 14, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
2000.
11-2. Lost at Miami and in Miami to Oklahoma.
last time we lost 3 or fewer?
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 14, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't temper mine.
11-3 is nothing to sneeze at in Jimbo’s first year. Anything better than that and you’d have to call it a pretty magical first outing.
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by Drew J Jones on Oct 14, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
13-1! 13-1! 13-1!
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by Wally Balls 407 on Oct 14, 2010 11:48 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Bud - 11-3?
So your picking us to go 9-3 with a ACCCG win and a BCS win??? Or 10-2 with a ACC loss and bowl win? Or 10-2 with an ACCCG win and BCS loss?
I’m confused that if we go 9-3 you could have us doing better in the post-season than if we go 10-2.
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 14, 2010 12:38 PM EDT reply actions
Any of the 3 works
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Doesn't it make sense that if we have a better record coming in, we'll get a tougher opponent?
So the chances of winning the bowl go down with pre-bowl success?
I disagree, I'm of the train of though that we will be very well prepared for our bowl game.......
but pure speculation based on our UM performance
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by stevegrizzle on Oct 14, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
If we win the ACC we get the same opponent if we're 10-3 or 11-2
I just don’t see us winning the BCS game when we’re 10-3 but losing if we’re 11-2. But no matter I see where he means.
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NoleCzar, Regrettably you will not be allowed to post any more comments today. Drop me an e-mail tomorrow to remind me to reinstate you.
AMFKNole, it’s a minimum of 1-day. You better sleep with one eye open. ;-)
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
I totally agree about the loss of Steve Logan.
While he wasn’t totally successful as a head coach, I’ve always believed him to be a very good offensive mind. And he was still young enough to learn new wrinkles and have the flexibility to adapt his offense to his personnel.
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Did I completely miss the game film breakdown of the miami game??? I’ve been drooling to go over that baby.
That's a good ???.....I've been riding this emotional high since Saturday......
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Bye week
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Tough week for a bye week.
That hurts a bit, some of us live for the play by play breakdown. You really get a great sense of who is doing what that the casual observer doesn’t normally get. It’s going to be a tough pill to swallow. Are you going full predction for the BC game.
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No I am saying I will do it during next week's bye week
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Thanks. I really appreciate it has to be a pain.
FSU football is the new case study for the outliers phenomon
I tried to do one for another site
It’s unimaginable…gotta spend at least 2-3 minutes on each play to get a good feel for what’s going on. Incredibly time consuming.
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If we call it 3 minutes
Assume just around 150 plays a game, maybe 130 if you eliminate garbage time, looking at 6 and a half hours. Wow.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
actually that's better
This week was good enough on its own, bye week will be a lot easier to get through revisiting the um stomping.
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There are a few dumb comments by Noles on their site.
I won’t name names.
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What, watch out for Greg Reid?
How bout watch out for The Phenom, #1, Miiiiiiike Harris.
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Thanks for having us on
Thought this Q&A exchange was pretty successful.
Reading through all the comments, I’ll respectfully disagree about the future of the BC football program.
I think BC is so different from other ACC programs that we’ll continue to compete. We might not recruit all the 4* and 5* star recruits out there, but I think the factors that make the program unique — good academics, northern school, Catholic-affiliated, artificial turf — help to recruit the right type of player to fit the program. Our recruiting pipelines are a bit different from your average large, state school too. While BC does recruit locally in New England, the program also is to get into the living rooms of a lot of good football players at Catholic schools across the country (St. Xavier HS in Cincinnati, where Kuechly and Alex Albright are from, is one example).
My take is Clemson will continue to underachieve with Swinney. N.C. State will probably take a step back without RW and when TOB hangs ‘em up. Maryland is a year or two away from a coaching change, and Wake is too small to compete.
And don’t mistake a lack of tailgating skillz for rude fans. We’re not all that bad. Every fan base has their share of those type of fans.
Good luck this weekend.
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I agree BC doesn't have it easy, but they are definitely not in the worst position
Thanks for the great write-up and good luck Saturday! I’ll be taking the PCAT so no watching for me :-(
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 14, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Good luck to you
I’m a pharmacist. Don’t know if it makes you feel better, but I had people in my pharmacy class who made something like a 37% on the PCAT and did fine in school. Seems the admission process heavily favors a good interview along with good enough grades/test scores.
Yo, could you hook a brotha up with some purp drank?
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Good to hear
Plus, I’m not stupid enough to “hook a brotha up”.
You’ll have to go look for a UF pharmacy school grad.
* J Russell says good advice *
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Awesome, first time with the PCAT
I graduate from in the Spring. Grades ~3.0, but I have always killed in interviews. Thanks!
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 14, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I got into Nova and UF for Pharmacy school
And a week before I was slated to start, I decided that I didn’t wanna do it. I had worked in pharmacies my whole life, and just hated it by the time school started.
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what did you score on your PCAT? (If you don't mind me asking lol)
I’m trying to feel out my odds. I worked at CVS for about a year and liked it, but my grades are only so-so.
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 14, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Im less than a year away from finishing law school
My buddy moved to atlanta and is working at a Walgreens as a pharmacist. I wish I would have followed his footsteps. I worry that Im going to hate being a lawyer. The money you think you are going to be making is highly exaggerated.
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Depends on where you go.
If you go to UF, they’ll flat out tell you they prefer UF students. I was so turned off by the intervierwer, that I was fuming by the time I left the interview room. It was like “If you didn’t go to UF, you’re lucky to get in”.
If you can afford it, I suggest UNC or Kentucky. From what I remember, they were the top 2 pharm schools in the east back when I was thinking of going.
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Meh
Not sure about the whole top pharmacy school thing. Not really sure how anyone could possibly determine this or what the criteria would be. The range of competence in my class alone (Samford University) convinced me that it doesn’t matter where you go to school, you’re gonna have the complete spectrum of ability.
But I do agree about the admission process. I went to school in Arkansas, and UAMC admits very few out of state students.
I have been told by several pharmicists
That where you go to school means nothing, it’s all about how good you are. I have been told more than once to go to the cheapest accredited school I get into, because once your out it’s all about experience/interview.
For what its worth FAMU has the cheapest pharmacy school in the country, and has had better graduation rate and test scores than UF the last few years (not saying they are superior just what I have found).
oh and around $1800/semester it would be cheaper to get my Pharm Degree than my bachelors from FSU.
But honestly I’m very concerned about my grades. Back when I came to FSU I had to retake both Analytical Chem and Organic Chemistry II. Did a lot better the second time around but I am scared that will kill my chances.
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 14, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
FAMU pharm school has a SHITLOAD of white people.
1st semester there (Fall 2000) I saw a whole HERD of white people pour out of a classroom. Som Asians too.
Thought it was a field trip or a “scared straight” college program….no lie.
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the Eagles for beating ND in 1993 to put us in the NC game with the ’Huskers.
I don't think anyone is saying BC will suck, just that winning the division 40-50% of the time won't be happening any longer.
With NC State, they’ve finally gotten past the injury bug, and even without Wilson (he’s only a junior), they should have a tremendous advantage in the state of North Carolina with the impending devastation by the NCAA in Chapel Hill.
Most agree Swinney isn’t the answer at Clemson. And as long as Spurrier is at South Carolina, they may not be top dog in that state for awhile.
I’m not sure what to think of Maryland. They have a decent recruiting base, a relatively passionate fanbase (at least in basketball), but the fact that they’ve been SO bad the past 7 years despite that, makes me think they aren’t poised to be much of a threat in the future. Their recruiting grounds are frequently raided by Penn State and the Virginia schools as well.
So, if given good coaching, BC can finish top 2, with a little help, more often than not in the division.
IF all 4 of those schools were operating at their max capabilities, BC should be the 4th best, specifically because of the reasons you list as being advantages for BC. You don’t/can’t recruit locally, you’re a smaller private school, don’t have a huge fanbase (not saying your fans are weak, just that there are less), it’s in the north in an entirely southern/mid-atlantic conference, and academics almost always seem to be a detterent to elite athletes.
Jmo, of course.
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I don’t think N.C. State will benefit from the demise of North Carolina. I think that Virginia Tech will stop getting its recruiting lunch eaten by Butch Davis.
RW is only a junior, but I have to think he’s gone after this season. He’ll be in the minors next year. Would be foolish to stay in school.
We’ve been hearing about how FSU is going to win 4 of the next 5 Atlantic Division titles for the past few seasons. Used to it at this point, really. :p
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I do think NC State will benefit
UNC has doubled NC State in the number of top 30 NC recruits over the last two years.
They have Glennon’s brother ready to take over when Wilson leaves and he is quite talented.
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Yeah...I've heard Glennon is pretty good.
Isn’t he Mallet’s size?
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6'6?
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 14, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
ZING. Can't say I blame you.
We’ve been hearing about how FSU is going to win 4 of the next 5 Atlantic Division titles for the past few seasons. Used to it at this point, really. :p
Good news (for us), is that Fisher can’t possibly be any worse than Bobby.
And I thought that about Wilson, but it’s my m.o. to disagree with people so I ignored it. But I really think NC State will see a boost in recruiting, and presumably, onfield results in the coming years.
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Whew! At least you're aware of it!
And I thought that about Wilson, but it’s my m.o. to disagree with people so I ignored it.
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It's one thing when you hear it nonstop and nothing changes
But something entirely different when you hear it when there has been a major culture change.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
But banking on poor leadership at other schools
My take is Clemson will continue to underachieve with Swinney. N.C. State will probably take a step back without RW and when TOB hangs ‘em up.
I don’t like the odds of success when you have to count on the mismanagement of other programs and then maximize your own. I don’t have an idea of how long TOB will keep coaching, but the guy he has behind Wilson is a stud in the making and he has several good WRs and OLs. If he were to leave in two years NC State would still be decent as long as they don’t get another Amato. With Clemson I expect them to be poorly coached on the offensive side of the ball as long as they have Swinney and Steele stays to mold the D. But I expect BC to be bad on the offensive side of the ball as well without a coaching staff shake up. I just give the advantage to Clemson bc they have better horse.
by osceolafan2.0 on Oct 14, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Good stuff; Brian runs a great blog
Hey, Bud, was there going to be a film breakdown from the Miami game this week? Though I’m sure most of us have watched the game so many times we could turn it into a screenplay and take it Off Broadway.
Saving it for the bye week
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I have tried multiple times to watch the game
and evaluate. So far all I can do is wait for a big play and think, sometimes out loud, “TAKE THAT YOU $(U$T (&#$%RU AND YOUR )(@#$%R()$* UP THE #$()$&U AND STAY OUT OF THE WOOLSWORTH!”
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 14, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Bud Elliott
This is not pertenate to the current to the current posts,but I was wondering if you post on eyeofthehurricane as tomahawk nation.
yes but I think someone else did also to try and troll me
why
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No. I do not visit any UM blogs. Unfortunately, I am stuck in Miami finishing an LL.M. That being said, UM is the one school in Florida which I disfavor. Sorry for going off topic. I merely thought that this board would appreciate the positive feedback. I only post on this blog and Alligator Army. Last night, everyone was very welcoming. The debates were based on rational logic and unbias objectivity. I am not a mole. Although I am a Gator diehard, I support all the Florida teams with the exception of one. Next time, I will stay on topic.
Haha, he was asking me not you jd.
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I read it 4 times, hit the up button and everything.
I couldnt either. I was actually confused because I wasnt reading peoples names until I noticed that the response couldnt be Bud. shrug
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Giving the Noles some love. It was Mayday and the commentator who’s son was stuck in the shed at Texas Tech. Unfortunately, I cannot remember his name; however, Mayday was overhiping Ohio State and Pryor. After Mayday finished blowing smoke, the commentator gave Jimbo and FSU a lot of love. He said something to the effect “I cannot wait to watch FSU this weekend. It is amazing what Jimbo has been able to accomplish in only one year. . . .” If it were any other coach besides Jimbo, because Jimbo is from the Saban tree, I would be a little worried about all the positive press. That being said, I think you guys will make some noise this weekend – statement game for FSU. I was a little disappointed that my Gators didn’t even receive any negative press. If I learned anything from that douche at USC west, I learned that there is no such thing as bad press so long as your getting mentioned. Nonetheless, I am looking forward to seeing how your boys respond this week. Good luck Noles.
I think Miami was the statement game
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Just found out BC will be staying in the hotel I work at tomorrow.
What should I do to them? 3, 4, and 5am fire drills?
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Great post. Hopefully we follow up the UM game with another big win.
by Fool-proof Fisher on Oct 14, 2010 8:50 PM EDT reply actions
lol!
no sabotage, please. now, if it was florida…
noles, marlins, phins
by NorthernHaze on Oct 14, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dJznTAwLSY
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plant crack in all the 1st string linemans rooms and call the cops.
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