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FSU Football Preview: Boston College Eagles At Florida State Seminoles

MIAMI, FL - OCTOBER 9: Jermaine Thomas #38 of the Florida State Seminoles breaks the tackle of Ray-Ray Armstrong #26 of the Miami Hurricanes to score a touchdown in the second quarter on October 9, 2010 at Sun Life Stadium in Miami, Florida. (Photo by Joel Auerbach/Getty Images)

Motivation Edge: Boston College.  The enthusiasm for the program right now is off the charts, but the lack of enthusiasm about this game around the program is palpable.  I share it.  I really could not be any less motivated to write this preview.  The game is at noon.  Boston College plays a brand of really boring football.  FSU is just off a huge win over Miami and the defensive players have no reason to take BC's offense seriously after watching the tape.  Let's get to it.    

TV:  12 Noon, ESPN

Boston College's Offense v. Florida State's Defense

The Eagles have run for 374 yards on Florida State in the last two meetings.  BC has won two straight meetings in Doak.  You can really get an appreciation for how far FSU has come by watching tape of the old FSU losses.  In this one, BC ruined homecoming as FSU's defense couldn't keep an awful Eagle offense off the field, allowing BC to hold the ball for 38 minutes:  

This is from the 2006 game during which Drew Weatherford proved he was an awful quarterback (watch the interception right before half).  Clip starts at the 2:10 mark:

Boston College Football Highlight and Recruiting Video 2006: VTECH and FSU GAMES (via VincentSHiggins)

At the 3:27 mark is what I believe to be the worst pass in FSU history.  At FSU's own 35, 1 timeout, 27 seconds left in the half, 3rd down, and Weatherford is a full count late on a 4-yard stop/out?  I left the game after that pass.  

But As I profiled earlier in the week, Boston College has one of the worst twenty offenses in the country.  In the Eagles' last three games (Virginia Tech, Notre Dame, and at North Carolina State) they have gained 553 yards on 151 plays.  That is 3.7 yards per play, which is horrible.  

For Boston College, it has always started up front.  BC was offensive line university.  This year was supposed to be the same, but it has not gone that way.  LT Anthony Castonzo 6-7 308 Sr. was considered a first-rounder coming into the season, but he hasn't played like one.  The guard situation is up in the air with LG Emmett Cleary 6-7 300 So. OR Ian White 6-5 288 R-Fr. and RG Mark Spinney 6-4 282 Jr. Thomas Claiborne 6-3 332 Sr. C Nathan Richman 6-6 300 Jr.  At right tackle is Rich Lapham 6-8 323 Sr.   Let's ask Brian:

It starts with the Eagles offensive line, who has severely underachieved. The line hasn’t gotten the push to establish the running game with Montel and hasn’t given the Eagles signal callers enough time to go through their progressions. Spaz keeps juggling around the starters on the offensive line hoping that something will click but so far, the line play has been pretty poor. It was a bit better in the game last weekend against N.C. State, but there’s still a long way to go. There’s way too much talent on the line for them to be underachieving the way they are (second most returning offensive line starts in the conference).

This is a big, experienced group that is talented but unlikely to turn it around this weekend because the coaching is poor.

Boston College does have a talented back in Montel Harris.  Harris has absolutely tore up the Seminoles over the last two seasons.  Harris is 5-10 205 and a patient runner with tremendous balance.

While the running game has been disappointing, the passing game has been a downright disaster.  

BC's receivers are not impressive:

The wide receivers are incredibly inexperienced. BC is starting one senior (Ifeanyi Momah) and three freshmen / redshirt freshmen on this week’s two-deep roster. The Eagles were dealt a pretty significant blow when Colin Larmond Jr. went down with an injury in fall camp. The WRs have shown some potential, but without a decent QB to get them the ball, this is one of the weaker units on the Eagles offense.

The ESPN commentators in the Notre Dame contest called BC's receivers "the slowest group of receivers I have seen."  The foursome consists of Ifeanyi Momah 6-6 240 Sr., Johnathan Coleman 6-4 214 R-Fr., Bobby Swigert 6-1 180 Fr., and Alex Amidon 5-11 186 Fr.  None of these guys are a threat to stretch the field and they run poor routes, as freshmen tend to do.  

BC does have two decent tight ends in TE Chris Pantale 6-6 248 So. and Lars Anderson 6-3 240.  The fullback James McCluskey 6-2 252 Sr. is also an excellent blocker.  I really feel like these guys are underused.  

But the biggest problem with BC's offense is quarterback.  The Eagles have gone through three quarterbacks this year and have elected to pull the redshirt off QB Chase Rettig 6-3 210 Fr. Rettig is a talented freshman who was knocked out of the Notre Dame game.  He is not ready to play in this type of atmosphere and has only thrown 10 passes.  Rettig threw 10 passes for 72 yards and a TD against Notre Dame, but 57 of those yards came on a Notre Dame coverage bust.  So Rettig was 4-9 for 15 yards on his other attempts.  And as I said above, BC's offense is horribly coached.  It is literally a shell of its former self under Logan and Jagodzinski.  

FSU's defense is healthy, talented, and learning to play as a unit.  

Through four D1-outings, Boston College is only generating 14 ppg and 275 total ypg. This is just a bad offense.  FSU can do whatever it wants on defense in this game.  It can play press-man and abuse BC's receivers, it could play soft zone and make the freshman beat it repeatedly down the field, it could bring a variety of zone blitzes, etc.  If Mark Stoops wants to invent a new defense, this would be a good time, but for the need to hold BC down because the Eagles' defense is pretty good.  Look for FSU's defensive tackles to ride the hip of the pulling guards and get lots of penetration against BC's unorganized offensive line.  

Even anticipating some lack of mental focus early on, I think FSU can hold Boston College under 245 total yards over 65 plays.  That's probably good for 10 points total.  

Inside, see my prediction for the Florida State offense.  

Star-divide

While BC's offense is a joke, it's defense is far from it.  You have to ignore the point totals here as the offense routinely gives the ball up in awful field position.  

Spaziani is the master of the 3-5-3 defense in passing downs (not 3-3-5, but 3-5-3).  Here's an excerpt, but check out Dr. B's great article on the subject (lots of video as well).  That should kill an hour of work for you, at least.

The basic package appears as a variation on the 33 Stackset with an extra OLB/Nickelback playing, with the SS being the 5th guy in the underneath zone. BC's base is still a 4-3. WILL and SS take the flats underneath, with the two interior LBs playing hook/curl zone and the SAM taking a slot/TE (curl) zone up the seam (note that it could also appear as a shifted 4-3, with the Sam playing in a 3pt stance). The two CBs and the FS are playing the usual 3-deep zone coverage. In the figure above, W, S, and B are LB's (Will/Sam/Bandit), and the SS's are called "Dogs" on the callside, "Rover" on the weakside. One of them will most likely be a OLB or backup Safety/Nickel. Its just terminology.

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Read the explanation (Long)  

As that article indicates, hitting the 4-verticals play will be key.  Notre Dame did it to them.  

I have full confidence that Frank Spaziani will come up with good game plan after good game plan, but his ability to get creative could be severely hampered because his defense could face far fewer obvious passing situations given FSU's prolific rushing attack.  Then again, BC is 5th in the country in rush defense.  I expect FSU to run the ball on BC,  force BC to make adjustments that they really don't want to do, and then FSU will attempt to exploit them down the field.   

For Florida State, a lot of this game comes down to not beating themselves.  They have to get DT Scafe blocked.  Other than that, I would not be worried about BC's defensive players more so than I would about FSU beating itself.  It's really a matter of focus for the 'Noles.  

Let's take a look at BC's personnel.

Sizes Of The Front Sevens Florida State Will Face
  Sam OU BYU WF UVA UM BC NCST UNC CLEM MD UF
DL 270 267 295 255 275 285 251 260 245 275 255 255
DL 285 301 307 240 270 293 295 289 275 310 295 307
DL 280 284 261 285 275 305 309 297 305 315 285 302
DL/LB 245 251 239 235 265 251 257 259 260 260 275 250
LB 212 240 232 215 215 227 238 239 230 215 230 226
LB 245 225 225 240 225 240 235 231 235 230 250 238
LB 220 232 225 225 230 220 215 224 230 220 235 223
 Total 1757 1800 1784 1695 1755 1821 1800 1799 1780 1825 1825 1801

The Eagles have always been stout up front and this team is no different.  The two men in the middle are LT Kaleb Ramsey 6-3 295 Jr. and RT Damik Scafe 6-3 309 Sr.  Backing them up are  Dillon Quinn 6-6 299 R-Fr. and Conor O'Neal 6-3 286 So.  These four are excellent run stoppers.  They anchor against the run, control gaps, and allow the linebackers to run free.  They are not much in terms of rushing the passer.  The ends are LE Alex Albright 6-5 251 Sr. and RE Brad Newman 6-2 257 Sr.  These two have been playing pretty well, but FSU's tackle tandem of Andrew Datko and Zebrie Sanders should be able to win more battles than not against then.  Max Holloway 6-2 250 So is a bit of a pass-rushing specialist.  Overall, BC's front four does a great job against the run and an average job rushing the passer.  They do an excellent job of batting down balls in the short game and FSU must cut them effectively to make sure they don't get their hands on passes. 

At linebacker is the well-known SLB Mark Herzlich 6-4 238 Sr..  Herzlich was the defensive player of the year in 2008 and then battled cancer last season.  He's back, and while he is not the same player he was before the illness, he is still a good player and it's great to see him back out there.  The real stud in this group is MLB Luke Kuechly 6-3 235 So.  Kuechly leads the nation in tackles and will be the best linebacker on either team tomorrow.  He's smart, physical, and fast.   The WLB is Kevin Pierre-Louis 6-1 215 Fr.  He'll be a pain to deal with in 2012 and 2013.  This is a good linebacking corps, but FSU must abuse Herzlich in the passing game on early downs.  He's simply not back to where he needs to be in coverage.  

The secondary is good and experienced.  The Field Corner is Donnie Fletcher 6-1 200 Jr.  At boundary is DeLeon Gause 5-11 184 Sr.  The SS is Dominick LeGrande 6-2 215 Jr.  And at FS is Wes Davis 6-1 217 Sr.  FSU fans know this group well.  They play their zones quite well and pass off guys and hit extremely well.  

This team reminds me a lot of the Florida State teams in 2006 and 2007, that had good defense and no offense.  The defense eventually wore out and gave up because the offense was such a joke.  This BC defense is yet to do that, and it is much more disciplined than those FSU teams were, but everyone gets frustrated at some point.  

I think FSU will start slowly because BC really forces teams to methodically move the ball down the field in small chunks.  This is probably the exact style of defense a team coming off a huge win and lacking in focus does not want to play.  FSU can execute, but only if it is in the right frame of mind.  I would elect to kickoff if I were FSU and won the toss.  There's a good chance excellent field position will result.  I look for FSU to run about 10 more plays than BC will run.  BC has allowed 4.71, 4.54, and 5.19 yards per play this season.  I'll say FSU goes for 405 yards on 75 plays, which is about 5.4 per play.  I should also mention that BC is excellent in the redzone, allowing only 33% touchdowns.

FSU also holds a large advantage over BC in every area of special teams.  

There is no doubt that FSU is a better team than Boston College and should win this game easily.  A letdown might occur, but even if it does, it shouldn't be a letdown loss, but rather a non-blowout.   The Eagles are inept offensively and will be fortunate to reach double figures in points on Saturday.  Eventually BC's defense will succumb to the awful field position it inherits from the offense.  

Chance of winning:  92%

Prediction: FSU out-gains BC by 45% and wins 37-13.  

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Always Gotta Pick On Drew. :-P

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by NoleCC on Oct 15, 2010 9:07 AM EDT reply actions  

It's hard to get on Drew

as being the WOAT b/c his OL:‘s were friggin’ terrible. Not to mention the coaching.

Ameica, Land of the free and home to the entitled.

by levynole on Oct 15, 2010 9:11 AM EDT reply actions  

The coaching WAS awful

But as Bud profiled before in the Weatherford Report, Drew was selfish AND he couldn’t make the necessary throws to be even a serviceable quarterback. He’d take sacks instead of throwing it away (never seen a QB take so many 4th down sacks in my life), would unnecessarily check down and he had a weak arm. He was the worst QB in FSU history that wasn’t thrust into the fold due to injury.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Oct 15, 2010 9:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

hm, probably because he wasnt coached in the first place

but the past is the past.

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by harper.rb on Oct 15, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who was worse in the past 25 years?

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by tricknole on Oct 15, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fabian Walker, Wyatt Sexton, XLee, Marcus Outzen, . . .

I suppose it depends on how you define worst.

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by BigSpear on Oct 15, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guys that started full seasons.

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by tricknole on Oct 15, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember the pass he is talking about without even looking at the film

The snap is low and to right – without even looking Drew thows the ball left to Carr and it is picked off for 6. I recall think the QB coach was the problem at the time – but I am willing to say Drew stunk too. He is right there with Rooster as the worst FSU QB to see the field in the last 30 years.

by 93noleman on Oct 15, 2010 9:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Hey man...

The Rooster might not have been elite, but he held his own when we needed him most of the time. I was at the UF game when he helped beat them with his running. Also, never forget the 4th and 1 against VT in the championship game. He came on and everyone thought he was going to sneak like he did the entire year. Defense totally keyed in on him and he just pitched to Minor for a 15 yard gain plus facemask penalty that helped us take the lead back.

by reznik1979 on Oct 15, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

How about the peter Warrick touchdown pass against UF - should have been a pick 6 - went right thru the S hands

How about the pick 6 at GT – that made that game uncomfortably tight – the dude was an atrocious QG on some awesome teams.

by 93noleman on Oct 15, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

QuarterGangster?

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Oct 15, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

He beat the Gators...

That makes him a-OK in MY book! (same for Rix in 2003)

by burkenole on Oct 15, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

and 2002

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Oct 15, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rix couldn't beat UM

but he sure did have the gators number.

by Mateo9399 on Oct 15, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dont get me started on how sorry he played in that game

Warrick threw the other touchdown pass to Dugan – as Rooster’s should have been a pick 6
 
How about the pick 6 in the championship game to Ten. Still loving him?

How about the idiotic play action pass fakes where he would turn around just in time to see the linebacker sack him.

He desrves NO credit for the UF win

by 93noleman on Oct 15, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

not fair.

Rooster was a 3rd string QB who played his heart out to beat UF that year in the one game I remember thinking CMR had actually planned creatively. Rooster would Have won us a nC too, if Mickey did not insist on leaving Peerless Price in man coverage on a key play that decided the game in the 4th Q, even though Price had been beating his man all day— exactly like Mickey did with Jacquez Green the year before at UF! Ah, bitter memories.

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by PeachTreeNole on Oct 15, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

not sure what you mean

but it’s about to change. I may well be moving back to Hotlanta next month, and we’ll have to another “pick my screen name” contest.

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by PeachTreeNole on Oct 15, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of QBs

Think we’ll see more of Manuel this game? If things are going well, I’d like to see him in as early as possible.

by UMnole on Oct 15, 2010 9:31 AM EDT reply actions  

I hope so

Maybe we can be up enough Jimbo let him play the whole 4th quarter or maybe some of the 3rd too.

by Bokata on Oct 15, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Mark Stoops wants to invent a new defense, this would be a good time

Give it to me straight, Bud.
What’s the word on the street?

by The K-Man on Oct 15, 2010 9:58 AM EDT reply actions  

The 9-4 defense.

Most effective outside of Baton Rouge.

Oderint Dum Metuant

by DRusso97 on Oct 15, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Noles 37 BC 3

I’m looking for Jimbo to open up the passing game. Some of our guys haven’t caught many balls. Not only is it the weaker part of BC’s D, but it should also help to keep our guys focused. I’m not a coach, but if I were, I’d give the guys some new stuff to work on to keep their interest.

by NoleLaw on Oct 15, 2010 10:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Boston College quarterback

Rettig was knocked out of the Notre Dame game with a sprained ankle. His left ankle was turned, which won’t hurt his ability to set and throw. So, we will get to see him a while longer than the Irish did, unless he gets knocked out of the game again. And, no I’m not advocating taking the qb out, but if it happens, it happens.

As for Herzlich, he is playing with a broken hand. Just like Bud said in this article; exploiting his pass defense ability would be high on the list. Might I say, I’m really surprised he has lasted this long. Coming off cancer treatment and playing in the style he plays, I can’t believe he hasn’t had other things happen. What a great young man.

I’m headed to Tallahassee for this game and looking forward to a great game in a great atmosphere. Go Noles!

by Panhandle Nole on Oct 15, 2010 10:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Panhandle Nole

I’m from panama city. We’re heading out at 6 am central . What part of panhandle are you from,and what time you heading over.

by jskipnole on Oct 15, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

jskipnole

I am from Pace. We are headed out around 6 am central as well. We’ll wave at all Bay County tags.

by Panhandle Nole on Oct 15, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Leaving from Crestview tonight!

Spending the night at my brother’s house. :D
Man, it’s great to have multiple family members in Tally.

by RoyalOaksNole on Oct 15, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

After reading these three posts

I have visions of cars, vans and rv’s from all over North Florida and South Georgia making a beeline straight to Tally!

by randlieb on Oct 15, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wish it were more folks going

Rumor is that there are 10,000 tix left …. with family events planned for a 6 yr old in Tae Kwon Do and baseball it is almost impossible for me to make it to a game 4+ hours away

by Cigar City Nole on Oct 15, 2010 10:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Nice

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Oct 15, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

'Noles 31-10 BC. Book it. Done.

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by Drew J Jones on Oct 15, 2010 10:12 AM EDT reply actions  

39-9

A wild animal is set free onto the field at some point during the game.

FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.

by ricobert1 on Oct 15, 2010 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

fair enough

but I think we’ll be playing the short field on most starting possessions.

FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.

by ricobert1 on Oct 15, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Short fields, special teams, and defensive scores

The O doesn’t have to put up every point and it won’t have to go 80+ on every possession. Kool aid alert fail.

FSU 38 - BC 12

by Jamil Dawson on Oct 15, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's more info

The only way we don’t put up 38 or more is if we commit TO’s IMO. I understand your point better now but I don’t think this will be a letdown game because we haven’t beat these guys in awhile. I also think we force a few short fields via TO and special teams.

FSU 38 - BC 12

by Jamil Dawson on Oct 15, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

You think we put up 38+?

We’ve only scored more than 34 once this year vs DI-A competition. I expect a 30-something to 10ish score.

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by tricknole on Oct 15, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

38-12

I can see the D scoring today.

FSU 38 - BC 12

by Jamil Dawson on Oct 16, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I see the BC-VT game in the second clip, no FSU

Unfortunately I remember both of these games very well. 2008, was in a box with Weinke, Nick Maddox, Peter Boulware and Coach Billy Sexton. Very bad place to be with rich alumni and former players.

Was only topped by being in University Club for ’06 BC game. Lots of pissed alumni. Pretty sure we were 5-5 after that game and had to beat Cent Mich the next week just to make a bowl…and in that game Drew threw a pick 6 on a screen on the first drive of the game. UGH.

God, its sooooo nice to have the darkest days behind us

Oh, and I’ll say 31-17

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by The Ryno and I Know on Oct 15, 2010 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

nvmd

I see FSU in the second half of the vid

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by The Ryno and I Know on Oct 15, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bud, The noles have covered 4 straight and are coming off a huge win.

The refs will be all over us and we wont cover. I guarantee it. You guys are all gamblers and don’t see the big picture it seems.

Again, do not be FSU to cover unless you like losing money.

FSU Football: United We Stand

by stevegrizzle on Oct 15, 2010 10:27 AM EDT reply actions  

but yeah, Would not put $$ on fsu to cover this game

by dale gribble on Oct 15, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gun to me head gimme BC +21.5 as I said in the Q&A

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 15, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

sorry missed that

so whats up with the score prediction? one seems to contradict the other………

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by stevegrizzle on Oct 15, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly I have a really bad feeling about this game

Like one of those “The refs may screw us on a few huge calls and we can’t get any momentum going and every play we seem to do something the call holding USF type games”

Hope I wrong

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by stevegrizzle on Oct 15, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hate to admit it,

But I feel the same way. I think this is going to be a lack luster performance, due to the fact that the guys will think all they have to do is show up for this one. I hope I am wrong.

I still say we find a way to win but it will be close until late 24-10 with a late TD.

by Jturner01 on Oct 15, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cameron talked about this yesterday

This is all because we’ve been so damaged by the last decade. We don’t know how to relax for a game anymore.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Oct 15, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is def true.

As soon as we went up 21 on Miami my fiance and I were praying for the game to end. Its kind of messed up that I wait all week to see us in action and then I want it to be over, because I’m so worried we are gonna blow it.

by DoubleNickel on Oct 15, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd, all of the above.

The last few years did the same thing to me. But I am trying to overcome that and realize that just because the jersey says BC doesn’t mean they are going to run, and run, and run, and run some more on us like they used to.

by DCNole on Oct 15, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I was unfortunate enough to attend FSU from 2002-2006, and I feel like I’m constantly waiting for the other shoe to drop each time we have a game. I felt the same way DoubleNickel did last week, as I’m sure most of us did.
However, the new regime is doing away with the poor mental attitude of the previous coaching staff. There is better leadership among the team, and you can tell that they have more fire in their bellies each time they step onto the field.
I won’t feel comfortable for a while, but you’ve gotta love what Jimbo has done with our boys thus far.

by 06N0LE on Oct 15, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was the same way

And for a few minutes, it looked as if we were going to blow the huge lead. I had flashes of the last time we went down to Coral Gables and blew a huge halftime lead, but ended up winning by like 2 points. But yeah, I wanted the game to end so badly when we were up big…I just had that feeling we would do something stupid and blow it. Thank God we didn’t.

by FloridaState on Oct 16, 2010 4:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd

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by Scalpemall on Oct 15, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1.

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by PeachTreeNole on Oct 15, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

80% of the bets on fsu to cover

and 93% on the over

bet the other way!

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by stevegrizzle on Oct 15, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Think we probably overwhelm them late

but don’t want to bet it.

I don’t wanna bet this just off the letdown angle.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 15, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

If BC got the line higher I'd bet them

But I’d rather not take either.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Oct 15, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

When did you develop an Irish accent?

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 15, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

reply to Bud's
Gun to me head gimme BC +21.5 as I said in the Q&A

and you won’t me pot ’o gold!

or perhaps a pirate accent. . . yeah. . . that works better.

ARRGH!!! Put a gun to me head gimme BC +21.5 as I said in the Q&A

"I wish you loved me as much as you love TomahawkNation!"

by freshcollegeboy on Oct 15, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

disagree

Payback will serve as motivation. Noles 45-10.

WAR PAINT OF TN

by Zach_Nole on Oct 15, 2010 10:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

disagree

Payback will serve as motivation. Noles 45-10.

WAR PAINT OF TN

by Zach_Nole on Oct 15, 2010 10:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Watching parts of those highlight cliips got my blood boiling.

All FSU had to do was keep those on a loop in the locker room, and we’d be ready.

by arrdub on Oct 15, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I bet against FSU w/ a 21.5 line

think we win by 17-21

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by SWFLNole. on Oct 15, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed .. with a short week ahead

and coming off a MAJOR “emotion” game a slight letdown is very possible … and if we empty the bench to keep guys healthy a late back door cover is a BIG possibility

I see us winning this one 31-13

by Cigar City Nole on Oct 15, 2010 10:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

nervous neely

This type of game makes me nervous, instead of being up for it. I’m more worried that we overlook, etc.

by rspknole1 on Oct 15, 2010 10:46 AM EDT reply actions  

I think our "D" will carry the day......

and lower our average points allowed to single digits in the ACC. Can BC really stop our run game? 41 – 7 is the call.

by 30yearnole on Oct 15, 2010 11:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Overconfidence

I sure hope the coaching staff and the players are not as overconfident as this discussion. If so, we may get our azz handed to us Saturday. Keep it real. You CAN lose on any given day against any opponent on our schedule. That said, GO NOLES!!

by ed64nole on Oct 15, 2010 11:24 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm thinking the Oline blocks well enough

and Ty Jones has a great day. He’s got to be pissed he didn’t get to play in that Miami game. Defense takes car of business: 31-7

by BenDNole on Oct 15, 2010 12:00 PM EDT reply actions  

My money says we cover the spread

up until “garbage time”. Then we give up some points.

Noles 38 BC 24

by UMnole on Oct 15, 2010 12:16 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd probably be disappointed if BC's offense with a freshman QB put up 24,

since they’re averaging 10 ppg in conference play, and only put up 26 vs Kent St.

by jasonole59 on Oct 15, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually confident

Ponder has never beaten BC. I am pretty sure he does not want that stigma when he graduates. I am feeling a big game for passing game. Haulstead finally breaks out. Easterling in the possesion game. Lot of play action deep. I am think a defensive touchdown as well as a special teams TD(blocked punt or punt return.) Our special teams is fan friggin tastic. Powell gets them deep in their own territory. Forced fumble by the line(one of the ends) and then picked up Bradham for six. 38-0. The Noles cover the spread, look forward to a bye week and preperation for NCST.

by Mateo9399 on Oct 15, 2010 12:22 PM EDT reply actions  

I can't see a letdown happening tomorrow either.

IMO Jimbo and staff believe way too much in the process to have a hiccup against a lower team. The days of FSU playing down to their opponents are over. I expect the team to come out as prepared as any team in the nation and to handle business accordingly. This young defense is going to continue gaining confidence, and the special teams unit is going to have a big time game. With our offense, i would expect FSU to at least cover, if i ever made bets on fsu. FSU 39-10

FSU

by DS_fear_the_spear on Oct 15, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

This seems like our F U tour

Any team who has beaten us, uh get ready. We are angry.

by Mateo9399 on Oct 15, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like the 2007 Patriots,

who slaughtered everyone after Spygate until the Superbowl?

by DCNole on Oct 15, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

correct

Hopefully we will not have to play the Hurricanes again.

by Mateo9399 on Oct 15, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup

Hopefully this will counteract the letdown game syndrome many are fearing. We lost 3 games last season against the last 6 teams we play this year. Of the three we beat, NC State and UNC are good enough to keep the players attention IMO. Only the Maryland games screams trap to me.

FSU 38 - BC 12

by Jamil Dawson on Oct 15, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

You should be much more worried about BC than maryland

dont let the records fool you

FSU Football: United We Stand

by stevegrizzle on Oct 15, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not looking at records

Here’s my thinking:

A) We usually lose to BC and did so last season

2) There’s a bye after BC so there’s no team to look ahead to next Saturday

D) BC is @ Doak (hopefully 75,000+ Noles fans will be there too)

Coley) We usually beat Maryland and did so last season

850) Maryland is on the road

2Pac) Maryland is sandwiched between Clem and UF

TWSS) We could/should have the division wrapped up by the time we play Maryland. With UF on deck, it will be very hard for the team to focus on the Terps.

I haven’t looked at any stats to form my opinion. My gut tells me Maryland is more of a trap than BC.

FSU 38 - BC 12

by Jamil Dawson on Oct 16, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

If our house is at full or near full capacity, I expect the intangibles to weigh in......

…..and our team kicks the ever living shit out of them!! 42-3. BOOOOOOOM!!!!

by SE Nole on Oct 15, 2010 12:37 PM EDT reply actions  

sad thing is it will NOT be filled to capacity

But even with 10,000+ tix unsold I still expect a good crowd

by Cigar City Nole on Oct 15, 2010 10:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

ESPN has some fantasy game where you pick

things like how many players will score in the game, how many total yards a team will receiver, will a team score more/less than x amount of points, etc.

This week one of their FSU/BC questions was, “Will BC ever lead in the game?” God I hope not.

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by tricknole on Oct 15, 2010 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

They might get up by a field goal as in 3-0. But that's it...

….I’m back on the kool-aid. Jimbo has this train going at full speed. Don’t see BC slowing things down. I have to keep reminding myself that what did in previous games against BC isn’t an indicator for this season. We’re a different breed than last year. Our guys are better coached and a helluva lot more motivated than I’ve seen in the last couple of seasons.

by SE Nole on Oct 15, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they get the ball first, as long as Hopkins kicks it into the endzone, no chance BC drives the field. No chance.

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by tricknole on Oct 15, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Aggressive as heck"

This might be one where we come out throwing the ball.

Florida State 45 Miami 17

by SeminoleMike on Oct 15, 2010 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah that is what I am thinking.

Or at least hoping since I have Hauested on my fantasy team. I sure could use two or three TDs.

by Mateo9399 on Oct 15, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

In a simplictic view: On the plus side this game provides several positives for where our team is right now.

Our offense – very good – can get more practice against a good defense without the pressure of the defense not being able to stop the opposing team.

Our defense – good – can get more practice working on fundamentals and “finding” themselves as the players can “stretch their wings” without getting burned. Coaches can use this opportunity to specifically address areas and focus on them instead of having to worry about too many issues due to the lack of scoring threat.

at least, thats how I see it. Obviously I have no idea what Stoops will be doing.

Grace I call Your name, Oh won’t Your smile fall over me, I’m cracked and dry on hands and knees, Oh sweet grace rain down on me I need You grace
-Phil Wickham

by FSUvaFan on Oct 15, 2010 1:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Anything or anyone in particular you're thinking about?

Are you saying you would like to see some younger guys get more playing time? Different formations possibly? I’d like to see some of our younger D-line guys get some more time. I’d also like to see Christian practice some deep balls.

by SE Nole on Oct 15, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont get why everyone is so caught up with deep passes....

If we have a good ground game we dont need to go deep very much, we dont need to be 1999 FSU offense to win games. We need to be balanced and have a good short to intermediate passing game and take the deep shots when they are wide open.

FSU Football: United We Stand

by stevegrizzle on Oct 15, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with that.

Just saying it would be nice to have a deep ball threat on tape when some of our upcoming conference opponenets study us. So far I haven’t seen such a threat. We have the speed and CP7 has the arm. Maybe Jimbo doesn’t want to show his entire hand yet. I don’t know?

by SE Nole on Oct 15, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

We are hitting HR's with the running game..........

which IMO is much more scary to the opposition

FSU Football: United We Stand

by stevegrizzle on Oct 15, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Younger D line peeps, DBs, LBs... pretty much the whole defense. Younger WRs & Oline.

I bet there are things both sides of the ball the coaches would like to try and see if the defense/offense is ready to execute. I think that BCs defense gives FSU’s O a good challange without it being a real threat, and vise versa for where the FSU defense is.

Grace I call Your name, Oh won’t Your smile fall over me, I’m cracked and dry on hands and knees, Oh sweet grace rain down on me I need You grace
-Phil Wickham

by FSUvaFan on Oct 15, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

Games like this are practice for NC State, UNC, Clemson, and Florida. Since we do not have a bye week(except for NCST) those games, it is these type of games to get extra reps and practice for players. That’s how we were good originally. Every team blown out by the 3rd allowing younger players to get better. That is how you stay in the Top 4 for 14 straight years.

by Mateo9399 on Oct 15, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

BC will not be able to drive the field multiple times to score.

To be honest, I would be shocked if they got in the end zone outside of garbage time….and even then still surprised.
FSU’s Freshman on Defense >>>>> BC’s Freshman QB.

Bad field position and shitty offense breaks the BC Defense.

FSU 31-42 points, BC 0-10 points. Going conservative with 31-6.

Oderint Dum Metuant

by DRusso97 on Oct 15, 2010 4:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Just saw the BC players enter their hotel

Mark Herzlich was nursing his left wrist. It wasn’t in a cast, only a huge wad of ace banadages, but he wasn’t using that hand either…

by Fool-proof Fisher on Oct 15, 2010 6:38 PM EDT reply actions  

It's been in a soft cast for games for a few weeks.

One of those club looking things.

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by tricknole on Oct 15, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah just looked some previous game footage

hadn’t really seen any BC tape this year so I didn’t know if it was fresh or not.

by Fool-proof Fisher on Oct 15, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

We need to watchout for Mark

a guy with both hands non-functional = one that has a lot of pent up rage to unleash on the football field! :)

by StM on Oct 15, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

About the special teams

Until UM, KO returns have been pretty bad. Reid and Joyner (I think) are very gifted with the ball. I didn’t see many open lanes in the first 5 games and on all but one return G5 had at least one and sometimes multiple lanes last Saturday. UM’s had trouble covering kicks, so that game might not be a great data point. My question is have we been watching growing pains in the first 5 games and now they’re starting to get it, i.e. angles/leverage etc.? Or is UM just not good at coverage? Or, a combination?

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 15, 2010 11:32 PM EDT reply actions  

UM is not good.

But special teams improved. Also Greg and the other returner, not always Joyner, lined up in the middle of the field. When they kicked Greg would make a move on the ball. He did much better than Joyner.

FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.

by onebarrelrum on Oct 16, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

My real question is why was the blocking better

Did Gran have to unteach bad habits and build the good? And they’re getting more comfortable now, rather than having to really think about technique? Maybe Bud will break that down next week.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 16, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rettig is definitely ready for us

“They just line up and play football,” Rettig said. “They don’t go into too many different schemes. They just line up and say, ’We’re better than who we are playing.”

Glad to hear he’s been watching footage from the 90’s. That should help him a lot on Saturday.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 16, 2010 12:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Is that not what we do now still?

Except, we actually are teaching our players what to read, proper techniques, and putting them in the correct position to make the play?

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