Florida State Guts-Out Win Over Boston College, 24-19
by Bud Elliott on Oct 16, 2010 6:07 PM EDT
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PrintFSU was expected to start slow coming off the huge win over Miami, and it did. The 'Noles were expected to shut down the offense of Boston College from the word go, so that the 'Nole offense could get some short fields and score early against Boston College's excellent and very conservative defense. That did not happen. Florida State was expected to eventually get its offense on track after building that lead. That did not happen. But Florida State did get to experience a close game for the first time all season. And the 'Noles have now led at the end of twenty consecutive quarters and put away Boston College 24-19 with an eight-minute drive to close out the game.
The game started poorly for Florida State as Montel Harris racked up 140 yards on his first five carries of the game. Florida State's defense was clearly caught off-guard with some of the blocking Boston College was using. BC went up 6-0 on those two drives. Credit Florida State's defense for playing much better after those first two drives, however, as BC would gain only 131 yards on the remaining 12 drives. On the day, FSU's defense allowed only 266 yards on 57 attempts, good for 4.7 yards per play. That might sound good, but FSU actually allowed BC's best offensive day of the year. FSU did play very good red-zone defense, and that helped to hide some of the defects.
| Boston College v. BCS-Conference Teams & Notre Dame | |||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Offense | Defense | Total | |||||
| Plays | Yards | Per/Play | Plays | Yards | Per/Play | Out-Gained By % | |
| VT | 49 | 228 | 4.65 | 59 | 278 | 4.71 | 1% |
| ND | 51 | 160 | 3.14 | 65 | 295 | 4.54 | 45% |
| at NCST | 51 | 165 | 3.24 | 67 | 348 | 5.19 | 61% |
| at FSU | 57 | 266 | 4.67 | 55 | 264 | 4.80 | 3% |
As you can see, this was not a good defensive day. FSU fans can take a lot of comfort in the adjustments the 'Noles made, but the first two drives were not when the game was already over. This was by far the worst offense FSU will see all year and FSU should have dominated it like Notre Dame and NC State did.
Florida State's offense did not play well either. FSU managed only 264 yards on 55 plays before the final time-kill drive. That's 4.80 yards per play. Looking at what BC has surrendered to other teams (above), however, it was actually better than Virginia Tech and Notre Dame.
A lot of credit needs to go to Boston College's defense. In the preview we told you that BC had a very good defense and that if FSU was going to roll the Eagles it would need to have short fields as a result of Eagle turnovers or special teams plays. That did not happen, and FSU was forced to drive the length of the field all day, starting five drives inside its own 25. BC's defense is extremely well coached, has good talent, and is very veteran and experienced. BC's late shifts gave the offense fits all day.
The lack of short fields can account for the lack of points relative to teams with similar yards-per-play performances against the Eagles, but FSU should have had a better offensive day. And while the short field prevented the blowout, the lack of short fields did not cause four FSU turnovers.
Early on Boston College did a great job of stopping the run and giving FSU the short passes. The offensive line couldn't generate any push against Boston College, and the backs didn't run well early on. Christian Ponder had a poor day, throwing 19-31 for 170 with two touchdowns and three interceptions, including one returned for BC's only touchdown. Two of the interceptions were on very poorly-thrown passes, one was a result of a tipped ball when FSU's blocker failed to cut the rusher. The receivers didn't play well either for the first half as Fisher inserted some younger players into the lineup.
The offense really seemed to be boom or bust, with five drives exceeding 50 yards and 8 drives totaling fewer than 10 yards. Only one drive was more than 10 but fewer than 50 yards.
One thing FSU did extremely well on offense was execute in the red-zone against an excellent red-zone defensive team in the Eagles, going 3-3 with two touchdowns and a field goal. The 'Noles also proved they could close out a game on the ground, a situation it had not faced this year.
It was revealed after the game that Christian Ponder had a burst bursa sack in his right elbow. It is believed that he should be able to play in 11 days against N.C. State, but the situation is definitely worth monitoring. "You measure players on their bad days," Fisher said about Ponder. "The ones that find the ways to win and do what it takes to still be successful are the special ones and that's what he is."
FSU does have a quality backup quarterback in EJ Manuel. If Ponder doesn't look good in practice, Fisher won't hesitate to go to Manual as EJ was his first prized recruit upon arriving to Tallahassee and he and Fisher have a great relationship. The likelihood, however, is that the bursa will calm down over the next 11 days. Tim Scribble had this to say on the bursa injury:
It's not a very painful injury, but it does make the elbow tender. They put me on anti-inflammatory meds for the swelling and I didn't miss a football practice.
It really looks worse than it is, it swells up bad and looks like you have an egg sticking out of your elbow. Swelling and tenderness happens fast right when the injury occurs. It could have limited some of his throws or had an affect on them.
It seems likely that while wearing the compression sleeve, Ponder's swelling wasn't immediately noticed. It will be interesting to see how he throws on the anti-inflammatory meds this week.
The special teams were solid but not spectacular.
"We have not arrived," said Fisher. "We have a long way to go but I saw a football team today that stayed together and never gave up. Great seasons are made on games that you have to scratch and claw to win."
Florida State now has a bye week and will prepare for its Thursday-night contest against the North Carolina State Wolfpack. FSU survived its letdown situation with a win, although ugly, and the bye week could not have come at a better time for the 6-1 Seminoles, who lack depth at several key positions. Starting defensive tackle Everett Dawkins broke his thumb, which is the first significant injury to FSU's extremely thin defensive line this season. Dawkins should be able to go unless there are complications.
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everyone on our team played well imo except for ponder.
he almost cost us the game by himself
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Without Tebow but with the top recruiting classes for last 4 years, urban meyer has turned out to be the great pretender. Being a great recruiter, doesn’t make you a great football coach.
You also mean, without two future head coaches on staff (Strong and Mullen) and at least a 3rd assistant (Gonzalez), Meyer has turned into the coaching/strategy/scheme pretender, too.
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by tricknole on Oct 17, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
And they pay him 4 million dollars.
I was telling some of the gators fans last year the dan mullen exiting would hurt more than anything. He has been with Urban everywhere he has had success.
Sort of like Belichek being the real genuis behind Parcells
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That is nuts
Even more impressive: Consider that the last time we went -4 on TOs was the 30-0 home loss to Wake in ’06. We went -5 on TOs against them in ’08 when we lost 12-3.
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yes, even against teams you are supposed to beat handily.
UF couldn't scratch or claw a win over Miss St.
just lost 10-7 in the SWAMP :-)
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 16, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Urb should have retired...
I’m not trying to be mean with this, my thought is that if he was overwhelmed with stress from losing the SEC championship with an undefeated team losing to the eventual national champion— well, look at the situation now: having lost 3 consecutive games, at least one of which was against a significantly less talented opponent.
At this point, taking an undefeated team to the SEC championship seems like a dream season compared to his current position.
by IndyFSUnole on Oct 16, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
...and there was much rejoicing
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Bud i know it's not garbage time but those two early runs color the stats a bit considering they couldn't
do it once we made the adjusment the yyp not including those have been 2.6 ypp and is much more indicative of where our D is at right now.
Its unusual for a team to have 120 yards on two runs and 50 on the other 31.
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by truecolors on Oct 16, 2010 6:21 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
agree, I think our defense was great
I don’t care what the stats say. Take away the outliers and I bet we played BC as well as anyone this year on D.
by tdchrisdavis on Oct 16, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know a ton about football,
but I know a little bit about stats. Often times it makes sense to look at the numbers with and without outliers… if we throw out the outliers, the numbers look pretty good— since the outliers were 2 out of what 50-60 plays, that doesn’t seem unreasonable.
Also, even with the results of the outliers, our D only gave up 12 points, and no TDs… that’s good play, so far as I can tell.
by IndyFSUnole on Oct 16, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
bye the bye thats 1.6 ypr after they got that fixed.
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by truecolors on Oct 16, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Completely agree
Made the adjustments FSU needed to make
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what are your thoughts on ponder's regression this year?
I don’t care if he’s hurt, he was making dumb throws left and right and needs to know what shape his arm is in.
by tdchrisdavis on Oct 16, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you have to judge it game-by-game
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He's looked a bit off all year.
His arm looks okay, but mostly his timing hasn’t come back yet. Some of that has to be not trusting his receivers fully. I suspect that would be more apparent if we could watch practices.
That said, while if I were head coach — and Praise Jesus I’m not (for many, many reasons) — I would’ve seriously considered sitting him for EJ, this kind of game happens to all QBs. Even NFL Hallf-of-Famers. He’ll bounce back.
The D got burned on the first two drives, but they tightened it up immediately on both and held BC to FGs. And they were solid after that. But for the fact that Ponder had a really rough day, this wouldn’t have been very close. And that’s somewhat impressive given how flat the offense looked. We should’ve been looking at more like 24-9.
Again, it reminded me a lot of USF, where things simply didn’t click for the offense. The fact that we came out with a win shows good progress.
And, hey, the D is now in the Top 15 in points allowed. How ’bout that?
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by Drew J Jones on Oct 17, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
tough decision, because then
the headlines say Ponder was made to sit, EJ came in and did well, and suddenly you have a QB controversy among the fans/team and your starting QB’s confidence takes a hit.
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by PeachTreeNole on Oct 17, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe.
But I think if you’re Jimbo, you can come out and say, “Look, he had a bad day, so we sat him. There’s no controversy. He’ll bounce back.” And I think, as long as Ponder does bounce back, the controversy would be avoided.
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by Drew J Jones on Oct 17, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
All you have/had to say was that he took a shot to his elbow and he couldn't effectively make the throws.
We’ll get him some rest and when he’s good to go he’ll be the starter again. Pretty easy to handle.
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Or that, yeah.
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by Drew J Jones on Oct 17, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Even if he wasn't injured, LIE, make a production out of it for the media, and move on.
That’s what I’d do.
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once again, trick, I absolutely agree with you.
the injury was the easy way out of playing EJ a little and explaining it.
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Can't believe it's been the DL carrying this team
Ponder looks more like his 08 form than 09. Still not the same after that Clemson game last year.
by tdchrisdavis on Oct 16, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
DL and the defense in general have been a really great surprise. I was really just hoping they’d slow teams down this season, since stopping them seemed too much to ask.
Other than the gooner game defense has been great all year
Can’t wait for next year. Jenkins and Werner off the edge is gonna be beautiful.
by tdchrisdavis on Oct 16, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Kinda looks like he's forcing things,
or rushing things at least, no?
by IndyFSUnole on Oct 16, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Ponder is doing his best Carson Palmer impression this year
Unfortunately, it’s Palmer 2010, not 2000. Something is just not right. He looks the same — makes some good throws — but he makes some plays that a rookie should be making. I can’t put a finger on it. Has a lot to do with lingering injuries, but some of his decisions are just not plays I expect out of a 3-year starter – especially one with all of his ability.
maybe his ability was just overhyped?
I have a feeling these coaches have gotten just about everything they can out of the upperclassmen, fully utilizing their talent, but they’ve maxed out. In 2 years we’ll have a better offense than we have now.
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by PeachTreeNole on Oct 17, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
No, he wasn't overhyped.
He’s nowhere near as good as he was last year. Be it never fully healing with the shoulder, getting injured every time he gets touched, or just thinking he doesn’t have to go through his progressions, but something is up with him this year because his balls (accuracy, zip, non-lameduckedness) are much worse, his reads are much worse, and he can’t throw deep at all.
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his injury is a 2/3 yr deal.
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by stevegrizzle on Oct 17, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
According to doctors?
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I had the same injury
so from personal experience……..although mine could have been a worse one.
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by stevegrizzle on Oct 18, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
agree with this, 100%.
The coaching staff on this team has a seriously tough job ahead of them keeping this offense reasonably productive knowing opposing defenses are going to crowd the box, take away the run and the screen, and force Ponder to beat them deep, which he can’t do.
I leave it to others who know more about scheming as to how that can be done in an x’s and o’s sense.
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One INT ponder didn'st sight before he threw...they other was tipped and I thought on all three of the throws to that side
against fire blitz thompson should have been cutting and wasn’t aware of the situation.
I didn’t catch the 3rd int
I though dent looked good why isn’t he getting more chances?
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I assume shaw is a blocking thing (no idea) but dent is one of those pound for pound strong guys.
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Thats what I was guessing to blocking assignments
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Case anyone missed it Fisher said on Jeff Cameron Monday that we would be seeing more and more of Haggins, dent, and Shaw as the year unfolds.
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Meant to mention the cut, thanks
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Love seeing Dent on the field, excited about that guys future...
Glad we grabbed him back from miami (remember he committed to them last year because he thought we werent going to offer). I know guys in Belle Glade who said he was the best player on the field last year in the Muck Bowl (pahokee vs Belle Glade).
Bud, Gotta ask your thoughts here.
Not knowing about Ponder’s injury in the 3rd quarter after the pick-6 INT, do you keep Ponder in or not? You probably saw the mayhem in the game thread, but I’m curious your thoughts. Not trying to stir the pot or relive that thread, but just want your thoughts.
(Hoping this doesn’t turn into 80 comments)
Yes because it was tipped
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Still a dumb throw
A cross field throw for a 3 yard out route?
There were plenty of times in the game where he had easy checkdown routes wide open for 5 yards gains and he forced balls deep to the sideline.
Think the cover 2 messed him up big time today.
by tdchrisdavis on Oct 16, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a hitch. We throw them all the time...
Ponder made some dumb decisions today, but was the tipped ball one of them?
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I thought so. Defender was breaking on the ball when he threw it.
by tdchrisdavis on Oct 16, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't like the screens to Beau at all
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Also, Rodney Smith has got to fight more to stop that interception.
Ponder will have no confidence floating one to him on a go route if he isn’t going to do his part if the pass hangs too long.
what would the penalty have been for off pass interfernce there?
Half the distance to the goal?
by tdchrisdavis on Oct 16, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
it was 1st and goal at the 5
At the time I worried it would be an automatic safety since Ponder was in the endzone but looking back that wouldn’t make any sense
by tdchrisdavis on Oct 16, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
We're talking about the deep ball down the sideline
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Ponder was in the endzone when he threw the deep one down the sideline?
Hmm.
Also, no, it’s not a safety
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or holding
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The sorta jump ball at around midfield?
Craig James or whoever touted the guy being 6’1 and being able to stay with Rodney who is 6’6. Not the touchdown with a foot out of bounds.
Anyway… Rodney has to help out the QB
Was the ball supposed to be a back-side stop fade, or did Rodney quit on the go route? Big question there. In either case he has to fight for it, you are right.
Also, did the sun play a role?
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This was a stop fade not a fade, but still should have been a sideline throw and was very decidedly not one.
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…Garca floated to the wrong (inside) shoulder and it was picked. Steve-o lips said “wrong throw”
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by BigSpearDiplomacy on Oct 17, 2010 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions
was a bad throw. DB had great position by default and it totally defeats the purpose
of having a 6’6 WR if you make the play short man friendly.
Poor pass by Ponder.
Didn’t even give Smith a chance to use his height on the play.
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Ponder threw that passes bad.
He has to throw it to the outside shoulder.
by Legal_Seminole on Oct 17, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Will have to re-watch
I was trying to watch deep coverage today because it doesn’t show on replay
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also a couple of the blind quick hitters
Like the one where Bert got hit hard. He’s gotta either get the ball there faster or not throw it. Don’t lob it in there just in time for the WR to lose yards.
by tdchrisdavis on Oct 16, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Was right by my seats on the 45
QB didn’t bite at all on the run fake. We tipped that play somehow, I am convinced
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Well we ran similar plays all game long
DB just did a good job reacting. Wish we faked a WR screen and tried to go deep.
by tdchrisdavis on Oct 16, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think we ran the fake run backside throw all game long...
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we ran the WR screen all game long
DBs were ready for the short stuff
by tdchrisdavis on Oct 16, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Different play
Cannot lump them all together
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but the CBs were still aggressive and ready for the short pass
We didn’t challenge them deep. Doesn’t matter if it’s a slightly different play, it’s a similar concept
by tdchrisdavis on Oct 16, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
agree
Unless the QB can stretch the defense with the long ball, the defensive backs will cheat up more and more until the short throws are taken away. Watch the secondaries response when Emanual comes in the game. They immediately increase their pad.
Throwing all the screens makes Ponder look like Colt McCoy
Few passes farther than 10 yards downfield. Would like to see more slants and posts in the middle of the field. He got in a good rhythm on that one drive. Fast tempo and good results. No strung out plays that went for 2 yards… everything was on time or as planned. Dent and Reed had the back to back catches there for first downs.
agree on this.
are we not spreading the field because of our receivers’ inexperience? Ponder seems relatively healthy. Is the Oline having pass protect problems?
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by NorthernHaze on Oct 16, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
IMO pass pro was fised at MIA and was good today as well (other than the non-cuts by RBs)
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I saw 3 versions of the same play.
With essentially the same results. DBs might have sniffed all but 1 of those out to Bert Reed. If you take away screen completions, what would ponder’s stat line read?
Bert tipped da play.
He didnt sell any type of route. He was looking back for the ball as soon as the ball was snapped which allowed the CB to read & react quickly.
by 504Nole on Oct 16, 2010 10:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
TOTALLY disagree... I'm very sure the RB is supposed to be cutting on all quick passes.
Ponder is trusting that he get’s herzlichs hands down…on replay the ball hung in the air forever… no way that guy get’s there if its not tipped.
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He was late on that throw too.
Because of Herzlichs not being blocked, then he get the tip.
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I rewatched that play a couple of times.
That ball had a great shot at being picked anyways.
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I did too and I really hate to argue but I totally disagree.
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Really?
If Ponder zips things out there, then probably not. But I took into account the lack of velocity on those things, and it just looked like the defender could see it coming a mile away.
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I agree the defender was coming but he JUST got there in time with the tip...
In relation to where easterling was at It was thrown much harder and to the outside BEFORE the tip got away from him.
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The camera angle on the replay was very good.
I felt much better after I saw the replay. The receiver had plenty of room before getting to the sideline. If the defender was breaking on the ball before the tip, (which is unclear), the throw would have gone over his head and just over the receiver’s right shoulder with plenty of time to turn up field before going out of bounds. IMO, the throw would have been fine without the tip, break or no break.
Ahhhh. That makes sense
I couldn’t tell if the throw was high, or being floated.
Either way, Herzlich was all over that play. Sucks that he got to it.
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Imo the db would've been able to get there for a pass breakup instead of a pick.
Either way, I didn’t think it was a great read. And if it was the right read, he was late on the pass.
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Its a pre-snap read and the ball wouldn't have been picked so in game you make the read/throw cause that's how you planned it all week.
You could argue we maybe make an adjustment, but i don’t think its a bad read.
Like the guys above I think we went side to side a little too much in game planning…but I really think from the first two drives it looked like they thought we could run the ball easier and had to adjust.
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You're saying we tried to run the ball and couldn't, and therefore had to adjust by passing more?
I’m not willing to say that was a completion if the tip didn’t occur.
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Correct... not the first drive Rodney jacked that up on 2nd and 8 with a drop that gets you inside 4 yards from the sticks
otherwise every time we ran on first or second we got 2yards or less…time to pass and come backe to the run…especially with the clock evaporating, and being down 6, and not running the ball well.
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We only ran the ball the ball once on our first two drives though.
So you really mean the first 3 drives? Since you’re saying Smith messed up the drive. On our 3rd drive we rushed 3 times for 22 yards (7+ypc). We happened to score a touchdown that drive.
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Missed the mayhem in the gamethread
Not surprised people freak out though. FSU is the best team in the world last week and the worst team in D1 today.
People are quick to blame the QB because they often don’t pay attention to the other positions, or don’t know what they are looking at. That is NOT to say Ponder played anything but poorly, because he did.
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I am one to blame Ponder in this game. I still think he made poor decisions.
I’ll be the first to admit my lack of football analysis skills here, but there were some very ill advised throws. The free play offsides call interception that was called back didn’t help matters even though it wasn’t counted. Sure, he may know he gets that one back, but that ball still floated. The flats throw tipped by Herzlich would’ve been picked tipped or not I still think. The flats tosses are too expected. A pump fake on those plays will help Ponder and keep the DBs honest.
I agree
On the pumpfakes on the quick outs and slants. If an opposing defense watches film of FSU, it’s pretty obvious they’re a big part of our offensive plan. Maybe fake it short and take a shot downfield occasionally? Really amazed we won, as bad as Ponder played today. He is a shell of the player he was last year, IMO…But we are 6-1. Go Noles!!!
by NoleySmokes on Oct 16, 2010 9:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
WHY NO PUMPFAKES?
When Bert Reed caught the lateral, Ponder could have pumpfaked. BC’s DBs were homing in on Ponder’s first motion every time!
by DeathTaxesNoles on Oct 17, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I would say
The people who are blaming the QB are correct. Ponder starts the season at 1st round pick now he’s lucky to be a 4th rounder.
So it’s not like FSU fans are placing unjust blame on him. 2 mph passes aren’t impressive to nfl scouts. Would be interesting to here mike mayocks thoughts on ponder this season as i prefer his analysis over kiper.
Injuries!
How serious is E.Dawk? You think given the 10 days, he has a chance to play @ NCSU?
You have to balance the whole season. Teams will have ups and downs.
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Had to see this game coming..
After a huge win against a rival, playing a D-1 team with a top 10 defense and turning the ball over 4X and you still win? Oh, and BC didn’t have one turnover. The win was impressive for these reasons but mostly because if it had happened at any time in the last 5 years, we lose.
Already bowl elegible…woo hoo. Please remember that FSU is the team to beat again and the teams will be harder to beat. Also, this was BC’s bowl game and they played as good as they could have. Even in 1999 we had to slip by Clemson (horrible) in the last minute to win a game, and that was a great team.
by pb4957 on Oct 16, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We're 6-1...
and the 1 came against a potential national title contender. I’m happy. Ponder played horribly, but every QB does at times and they still pulled out a win against a decent team. I still remember Wienke basically handing the ball to the Wolfpack in his 6 int loss to them… didn’t mean anything as to how good of a QB he was for us.
My wife’s a sports ortho surgeon… not that a internet diagnosis is a real thing but she says they’ve just casted up lineman that get that or sit them for a week. Hopefully Dawkins can be out there for the NC State game… nice to have a bye week.
Good to hear on the diagnosis there
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Same with the bursitis with Ponder...
Just needs some time for that bursa sac to “calm down” as she puts it.
Got the win and a bye week to recover. Things went our way today.
Good to hear on the bursitis
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I really doubt Fisher will play him if he is not ready to go
He likes EJ a bunch
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Well why not play EJ?
We don’t need Ponder in the game to win a national title. Cuz we’re not gonna play for one. Duh. What we DON’T need is a banged up CP7 come gameday with the Gatas. Plus, we don’t exactly have a gambit of easy wins in front of us. We can rest CP7 for two and a half weeks (or so) and let EJ get all the reps for, what, ten days? That should have him ready for NC State… I hope… and it should keep Ponder healthy for the home stretch against Carolina and Clemson.
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I agree, play EJ
EJ is going to be our quarterback the next two seasons, when, if things continue to progress like they have, expectations are going to be really high. Why not give EJ more playing time this season when overall expectations are moderate compared to what they’re going to be next year? He’d have less pressure on him this season and could work on establishing a rapport with our young receivers.
We have a strong position in the Atlantic right now. Even if we split our remaining ACC games, we would probably still win the division, which was a main objective for this season. With how well our defense is playing this season, I’m confident EJ would win two out of our remaining four ACC games.
Considering CP’s injuries and performance so far this season, is it unreasonable to say that EJ could be an upgrade at quarterback right now? Ignoring any considerations about what’s best for the future, he may give us the best chance to win now.
I like CP7, but I think playing EJ now would be better in the long run. Idiocy?
I would not assume EJ is healthy
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 17, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
when's the last time EJ threw a pass, the end of the byu game?
I remember thinking he floated balls then much more than Ponder was… but I attributed to EJ just not having the playing time.
I am confused as why he didn’t get more playing time at the end of either the UVA or UM games. Only long enough to take a knee.
Wake I think
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 18, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I answered it elsewhere
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I got bursitis last year
Cortisone shot makes the swelling go down also if it doesn’t heel on its own with rest. He should be fine physically, but its like he’s not as CONSISTENTLY mentally sharp this year compared to last year. I blame some of it on his easier classes. Its like when you get back to school after winter break you feel like an idiot until you start using your brain again. At least that’s how it was for me. I know the easier classes thing may sound like crazy talk, but something’s off compared to last year that’s for sure and I hope its temporary.
by rabidnole21 on Oct 16, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't be too reassured...
bursitis can be somewhat of a fickle beast. It can be easy, and gone quickly, but it doesn’t always work out that way. When it doesn’t, there can be a lot of head scratching.
Hopefully for us, we’ll have CP7 back to form soon.
by IndyFSUnole on Oct 16, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Weinke was a Sophmore playing his 2nd or 3rd game.
Ponder is a Senior with starting experience.
by Legal_Seminole on Oct 17, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
And what... 25 years old?
Its not like he was some fresh faced kid out there
Do you think we open up the playbook against NC State or save it for UNC and Clemson?
Seems we opened it against Miami and brought it back in today.
open it up
enough with this scrimmage bullshit
by tdchrisdavis on Oct 16, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think we were scrimmaging
Did not seem like it at all.
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Think he's roping all the poorer performances into the scrimmage umbrella.
Want to be dangerous on any given day and not hold back to work on a specific area. With games like this, we end up in the Sun Bowl if our opposition has a serviceable QB.
Soooo
The near abandonment of a run game for the first 2 or 3 series was out of respect to the BC run D?
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I think we thought we could throw a bunch
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Not exactly like BC is soft on the run, either.
Coming into this game, they allowed 13 rushing yards per game less than us. NCAA top 5 stat. Thankfully we won’t face a rushing D that good for the rest of the season. All of our remaining ACC foes rank in the bottom half of the FBS and Florida, who has been fairly decent against the run so far, just got lit up on the ground by Mississippi State. Okay, so 212 yards isn’t “lit up.” But its pretty good when passing the ball, apparently, isn’t an option.
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Not impressed by MSU's total of 212 when they passed 9 times in the game
although Florida did know it was coming in the 4th and couldn’t stop it.
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by basbalstr101 on Oct 17, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Not impressed at all! It's more indicative of how bad the Gators were than how good MS St was.
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It looked to me like every time we tried to run in the first half it got very little... I think after the first two drives they reallized thay need to pass and come back to it late.
We did in the second half, but Ponder kept giving it back to them once we got drives going.
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Why do you keep saying that? First 2 drives: 5 passes (2/4, 1 sack) and 1 rush.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 18, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
not the first drive obviously. Rod smith is the cuplrit there.
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Read above.
I’m just not buying this reasoning.
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It's true regardless of my poor recollection here's the rushing for the first half line by line
NO Gain
NO Gain
+ 23
-1
+2
+3
+4
No Gain
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Thats 31 rushing I know its not a lot of attempts but the first and second down rushes kepts us behind the chains.
hen you can’t run early in the downs you are forced to pass
Ponder said that’s what happened.
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Doesn't make sense
to scrimmage in such a close game, but I had the feeling that we were until that deciding drive in the 4th quarter. It seemed to me that we ran to the left almost the whole game (except for that last scoring drive), where we were unable to run against Miami, and now against BC. Running to the right on the last drive we seemed to be more successful (it will be interesting to see you play by play to see if my impression is correct).
I also felt that we insisted on passing a lot, particularly on first down, when we may have been able to run (to the right, not the left).
I know that sounds crazy given how close the game was, but that’s how it felt to me the whole time until BC went ahead and we had to score. The other thing is that I never felt that we were going to lose the game, even when BC scored to go ahead in the 4th quarter. This is probably related to the Zen that seems to come over me watching the team this year after all those years of extreme frustration, but I honestly never felt that we would lose. Strange.
Was it me or did we hardly run the ball early on?
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I got nervous down 19-17...
but with BC not able to score (or move the ball for that matter) I didn’t feel like we were going to lose the game either. I was more concerned with how bad we looked, but I had confidence that we would bounce back and win.
Definitely
NCSt gets everything, our best effort. If we take that game, we stand a very good shot of making the ACC CG.
Pass passs pass against NCstate they are horrible against the pass.
we need to be balanced and I think we can bully them a bit on the ground but their secondary is awful.
Conversly all they can do consistently well is chuck it all over the yard (very dangerously) thankfully we’re very good in the secondary right now… seems like baring turnovers we win this next one too.
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Also bad against the run
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Right I said we could bully them a bit but they seem much worse against the pass so I figured you have to attack that.
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One thing I wanted to stress in the article was why it is so important to look at yards/play and field position
and NOT total points to judge an offense or a defense.
We argued with Mojo171 about that this week, and you can now see why.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 16, 2010 6:48 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Their punter gets an award for a couple of em he lofted. We were pinned with a lifeless offense.
Greg Reid’s failed “run backwards to find a hole” return hurt us a lot because we suffered for a few series after.
We screamed at Greg when he came back to the bench on that play.
But I think it only pissed him off which seemed to result in him playing better.
by Bokata on Oct 16, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Another example:
Clemson scored 31 points with only 3.3 yards per play
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Good call, I'll ask
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Seems to me
He played better than Spurlock, haven’t watched any film, though..
by NoleySmokes on Oct 16, 2010 9:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I burst the bursa sac in both my elbows in high school
It’s not a very painful injury, but it does make the elbow tender. They put me on anti-inflammatory meds for the swelling and I didn’t miss a football practice.
It really looks worse than it is, it swells up bad and looks like you have an egg sticking out of your elbow. Swelling and tenderness happens fast when you do it. It could have limited some of his throws or had an affect on them.
Just to add on
They can choose to drain the fluids, but this still shouldn’t stop him from playing against NC State.
I would imagine they would
Due to relative quick diagnosis. Will definitely make it more comfy for Ponder
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Next opponent, sucks to see NC ST lose today
It’s getting real hard to defend ACC football, the conference has shit the bed this year.
this year?
we’re the worst conference year in and year out
by DeionWarrick on Oct 18, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
No we're not.
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by DeionWarrick on Oct 19, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Perspective:
After Herbie blew us up this week, FSU is the team to beat. That is something the kids are going to have to get used to. We will get their best games from here on out.
With the exception of a few plays
I thought we played very well considering we just came off such a huge emotional win with Miami. I think that people are expecting way to much out of our team. This is Jimbo’s first year, all new coaches, a whole new defensive scheme, and we are a very young team. I for one think this years team is over achieving to this point in the season. I expected us to be like 6-1, 7-0 next year, not this year. We have been improving just about every game, for the most part. Today, not the offense, but the D did keep improving with the exception of two runs. 6-1 and 4-0 in the ACC, I will pretty much take this every single season that we can do it. Everyone should feel good about this season so far, considering how the past several years have gone. Go Noles!!
by MontyTheGreat on Oct 16, 2010 7:25 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Agree completely - let's remember where we were
last year at this time, and compare to now:
- we would have lost this game
- the defense would have given up tds not fgs
- we would have missed a 50 yd fg at the end of the game, and BC would have gone the other way to win
- etc etc etc
I think coming into the year, 8-4 or 9-3 was a more than fair estimate. Let’s try and remember this – don’t go changing the expectations. If you’re up 14-0 after the first quarter, it is not realistic to therefore state you expect to win 48-0.
by jvnoledawg on Oct 16, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Please reconsider your comments
They are hardly befitting someone worthy of the label, “fan.” Can you not see we were fast-laned for the national championship game last Saturday? Do you not see that now we are thoroughly awful and that Ponder is to blame? This “level-headed” and “mature” stuff you posted is disturbing and unbecoming.
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Great comments here.
In the same sentiment, as I watched today’s game I too thought that in previous years we would have lost— it was a perfect setup for a letdown game.
Also, if we look at previous seasons, the performance gap between FSU and BC is not wide, thus I suggest that we’re having a better than expected season, and they’re having a worse than expected season, but it doesn’t mean that they have nothing to offer. If their QB had gotten lucky, or had a reliable WR, they could have easily won this game.
I don’t expect BC to lose all upcoming games, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t pull out a surprising victory.
by IndyFSUnole on Oct 16, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree the bye week is at a perfect time.
Jimbo needs to get on their asses this week and tell them they haven’t arrived yet. Also, did anyone see any of the NC State game?
I live 30 minutes from ECU. Game was on local.
I didn’t catch much. ECU’s offense is legit. The run game looked impressive. Russell Wilson was off his game big time. ECU’s D brought pressure and the oline couldn’t handle it. After seeing what ECU could do I’m not concerned about NCST. We should be able to run and throw on ‘em. I’m thinking 250+ rushing and 200 passing.
wait one stinkin' minute....
so at least 3 of Ponder’s 4 (Four) turnovers are attributable to not being able to throw the ball well because of an injury? If his elbow was that “tender”, why didn’t he tell the coaches or trainers?!? “Competitive” is not an excuse— that’s just stupid, and it almost cost us the game.
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I thought the injury was being used as an excuse for his (non)performance.
If I misread, my bad.
if so, then by not telling anyone about this game-changing injury, he was either stupid or selfish.
There is no reason to believe he is either one of those things.
Therefore, the injury was not the reason for his failures today. And that’s very troubling at this point.
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by PeachTreeNole on Oct 17, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it's partially an excuse.
I also think he’s a walking injury waiting to happen.
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Completely agree with you trick.
I am not questioning his toughness at all, because he is obviously one really tough dude. However, there are some athletes that get injured all the time, some that seem to never get injured no matter how horrific a beating they take. CP is one of those that ALWAYS gets injured. It has been one thing after another for the last 3 years. That is not a knock on him, it is just the way it is. Regardless of what they think of his ability, NFL teams have to question his durability.
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by NorthernHaze on Oct 17, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
looks like he did tell them at half and theh put the sleeve on
My guess is they didn’t know the extent until postgame when it swole
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This game reminded me a lot of the USF game.
Have to figure you’re going to have one or two like this each year. Not terribly concerned.
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Agree totally
I’m so not concerned. This was a classic trap game. I actually think it’s good for us honestly.
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agree
another important learning lesson for this young squad. gotta learn how to win the close ones, even against inferior competition.
Agreed
Good teams win close games on off nights. The fact that our D has played exceptionally well thus far helps a ton. Looking ahead, I see us beating NC State after the bye week, with UNC being our toughest game of the year the week after. They get William and Mary a week before us which scares me a lot.
No pain No gain.
True
But if we beat NCSt, Clem and Mary, the Atlantic is ours. I’ll take 9-3 or 10-2 and the division title. Even by winning ugly like today, we’re making progress. We’ll probably go up a notch in the polls, uf will fall out, and recruits will continue looking at us a bit more closely. Unless we collapse down the stretch, we’ll have a very successful first year under Jimbo.
To me, the really cool thing is that
the recruits seemed to be interested even before we beat UM.
Also, I’ve seen a lot of our young guys getting playing time during meaningful parts of the game: Joyner, Dent, Werner, etc…
by IndyFSUnole on Oct 16, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably
But right now Maryland only has one conf loss. If they beat us, we’d need them to lose at least two more times (three if we lose to UNC or someone else). They probably will, but at this point I’m not willing to say that any of the ACC teams WILL beat another team.
Besides, if they beat us, they would only have BC, WF, UVA, NCSt and UM. None of those are guaranteed losses, though at least three of them are probable.
Maryland aint goin 6-1 with a win over FSU. Just ain't happening.
Odd’s are we beat NCstate we’re in… we beat Clem we’re locked.
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Highly unlikely, I agree
But our last two games have had unlikely outcomes (few thought we’d crush UM, many thought we’d have any easier time with BC). I’ll feel comfy when they’ve dropped another game or two (or we’ve beaten them; same for NCSt and Clem, btw).
dude
Florida St. is not gonna lose to freaking maryland
by DeionWarrick on Oct 18, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh
My nads didn’t drop down till late in the 4th last year at Doak…. Especially after EJ threw that pick with 3-4 mins to go.
Last year,
Not even a valid comparison anymore. Other than name, location and uniforms there is no similarity between this team and….last year.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 19, 2010 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
But it would seem
That Maryland has improved as well. Weren’t they like 2-10 last year? They’re 4-2 now. We’ve improved MORE I’d wager, but as I said earlier stranger things have happened – this year.
Duh.
I said probably not, several times. But if you think it’s impossible, why doesn’t anyone put the game at 100%? Or even 99%?
Crap happens in modern CFB. Should Ole Miss lose to JaxSt? VT to James Madison? uf to MSU? Texas at home to UCLA? If the BC game proved anything, it proved that we’re not always at the top of our game. Fisher has said we played a bad game. If we play another one, we might not be so fortunate. Or, what if Ponder is re-injured against UNC or Clem, and EJ goes down as well? What if the OL, or more likely DL, gets decimated by injuries?
It very, very likely won’t happen, but it’s within the realm of possibility.
Ponder was down for a three count
when the BC lineman hit him at the goal line early in the 2nd quarter. I was sitting right on the goal line and got a very nice view of the shot. Ponder grabbed his helmet gear and then got up and waggled just a bit as he headed up field. Between the bursa on his elbow, the two pretty wicked shots he took that quarter, and the rather ( in my opinion) predictable swing plays, it doesn’t surprise me that the game was as close as it was.
BC was taking the run away and daring FSU to throw short. I give them a lot of credit for a great defensive scheme.
Want to give props to...
Vic Viloria and the S&C staff. With over 8 minutes to go in the game, FSU was able to run out the clock by running the ball on a BC defense that had been shutting us down for nearly the entire game. I think a big part of this is due to the conditioning that the staff has implemented to allow the team to play a full 60 minutes of football at a consistently high level.
by mbar on Oct 16, 2010 9:12 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Agreed Rec
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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And who else is gonna
smack the piss out of Hopkins before he kicks off?
by TonySopraNOLE on Oct 17, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Is that why his shoes are gold?
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We ran to the right more on the last drive
We tried to run to the left almost the whole game and were unable to pull it off, just like the Miami game.
At least that was my impression.
You really think he would play him if EJ, his guy, is the better option?
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by mbar on Oct 16, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 16, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
But,
based on your prediction, we’ll end up 7-2… Jimbo’s gonna “die” on that?
Our next three games are NCSt, UNC, and Clemson. I can look at the schedule and say that there’s a reasonable chance that we’ll lose 1 or 2 of the three, but it doesn’t mean that playing Ponder is the wrong thing to do.
Is your contention that we’ll win out the ACC with EJ as starter?
Ponder isn’t perfect, but just as it’s easy to remember last year’s WF and WV games, I can also point to the UM and UF games for evidence that EJ isn’t perfect either.
by IndyFSUnole on Oct 16, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's just be happy we survived this weekend.
South Carolina just lost, Nebraska lost, NC State lost, the Gators are losing…the underdogs are having a good weekend and at least they didn’t get us. There is certainly a lot to work on, but hey, at least Ponder pitched it today when he ran the option!
by DCNole on Oct 16, 2010 9:19 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Love it. Way to find the silver lining.
Ponder pitched it today when he ran the option!
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Yeah but he slid just short of the first down marker. EJ would have slid after getting the first down.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
That was one time diving head first would've been welcomed.
Not trying to plow through the defenders, but diving for it.
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Agreed DCNole,
and I saw Ponder slide once when he ran with the ball. Even senior quarterbacks can learn new tricks.
by Panhandle Nole on Oct 16, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Panhandle, I did'nt see your post
before I put in my message.
someone said it during the game
Ponder had exactly ZERO control of his fastball. He was like Andy Pettite today. Gutted it out and someone we managed to sneak bye. At some point in time wins become just wins. Our offense literally was not into the game and their defense came to play today. Literally our defense shut them down except for two plays.
Zero control of his changeup is more like it.
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Where are you in the DC area? I spent my part of my H.S. years in Springfield, Va.
by Panhandle Nole on Oct 16, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I live in the District,
in the Dupont Circle neighborhood.
I've been a couple times.
But I usually prefer to watch the games at home. Too many ex-frat boys there the couple times I have been.
Yeah, I was a little pissed too because I thought we could have juked that DB in space.
But at least he did slide.
The Gators lose on their Homecoming
and so does the Old Ball Coach, Steve Superior. It’s Schadenfruede Day boys and girls.
It certainly helps me get over
today’s poor performance.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 17, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Bud, tell me you saw this
I was watching Ponder all day from my seats which gave me a great view today. He was consistentally staring down receivers all day long and it he also late on many throws and timing routes. I haven’t see him play that poorly since the 08 Wake Forest game. He was just totally out of rythm today.
by FEARTHESPEAR! on Oct 16, 2010 10:42 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Wouldn't trade our special teams with anyone
Kicking, punting, and returns were all outstanding.
Agree overall. I would like Reid to have more discipline - consistency is not his strength
But I have been liking Hopkins lately. Doesn’t seem to be making as many mistakes (ex. kickoff out-of-bounds)
That was a terrible game. But it's also the type of game we would've lost soundly the last several years. So glad to see us not give up.
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Over/under on M. Harris yards vs. 2009 defense today, with the offfense giving up 4 turnovers (to none)?
Half a thousand about right?
Easily 300. Quite possibly 400+.
And he likely scores on both those long runs on the 1st two series.
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Agreed, it wasn't pretty to watch but we pulled it out.
We definitely lose that game the past 3 or 4 years. CP better shape up quickly, I know he’s had a lot of nagging injuries but that’s not his only problem right now. He seems to be locking onto 1 receiver and making some terrible decisions.
Could have been worse coming off a big win. See South Carolina
by TampaLawNole on Oct 16, 2010 11:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I actually think UK is a respectable team. I do not think BC is.
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Well, UK is ok, I say. Prob worth ranking low 20’s now maybe. Have to remember they got drubbed in a couple losses. UF comes to mind.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 17, 2010 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Couple?
Lost a nailbiter vs Auburn and lost by a td at Ole Miss. Their loss at UF was the first game all year that UF featured Burton. I think it would’ve taken any team by surprise. It would appear that game isn’t reflective of their real ability, much like we were drubbed at Oklahoma…
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yeah, thought they loss worse to ol' miss for some reason.
Still a good team, Ol miss loss hurts even by TD. Still puts them in the 20’s.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 17, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not ranking UK anywhere. They are a respectable team. All I'm saying.
I think they are better than BC. A lot better.
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The same UK team that got WORN OUT vs UF?
A team getting geeked up & winning a “let down” game doesn’t meant they are the better squad.
If BC had pulled it out yesterday, does that necessarily mean they are the better team? Not likely.
Oderint Dum Metuant
I've already replied to basically the same comments.
Are you implying that I said Kentucky was better than South Carolina?
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Yes, I think Kentucky is better than Boston College.
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I think my perception is skewed because I am visualizing the BC team that just played its 2010 Super Bowl vs a flat opponent.
Ky is not better then THAT team (BC wins 3-0).
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Does everyone agree now
Boise State is gonna go to the National Title. I know some people don’t like it but it is gonna happen. Oregon will lose a game. I think Oklahoma will. Utah and TCU play each other. What I don’t understand is why some teams are ranked so high. Utah barely beat Pitt, who sucks. Stanford beat ND, who sucks. Ohio State was one, who was fortunate Jacory Harris threw 75 interceptions(I think he just threw another one to that defense), but they have done nothing.You could make an argument LSU is the number one team. Beat UNC, West Virginia, Miss State, Florida(not sure how good that is). What is the Top 25 gonna look like? Miami, VT, and UNC should be back in the 20’s.
The Civil War
This year it is at Oregon State. That rivalry game is nastier than people give it credit. Keep your eye on that game.
I'd rather they win it than Ohio State, Iowa, Wisconsin or any SEC school.
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I just cannot see Boise State in the title game.
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Fake usc is not that good.
They needed Alabama to be done after two games and also they had a bye week to beat them. There is no way fake use is better than Alabama. I am not sure how good Auburn is. Great offense. Weak defense.
More like what will they look like in 2012 when Newton is gone?
My guess is kind of like 2009, when they lost to Arkansas, Kentucky, LSU, Georgia, Alabama and barely beat Northwestern in overtime in a bowl game.
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There's talk that Cam will leave after this season.
There are some in the NFL that are high on him.
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by Jamil Dawson on Oct 17, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea, maybe he should leave.
Not sure why I didn’t even consider that (it was late?).
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THe way Cam is playing now, it;d be stupid for him NOT to cash in
that is, if the NFL offered him. There’s just no sense in him giving up a 7- or 8-figure deal if he can help it. With that kind of cash, you can go back to school on your own dime and still come out ahead.
Besides, as Sam Bradford showed last year, sometimes coming back isn’t worth it.
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Even though he still went #1.
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I don't see it happening.
I’ve heard too many people who are voters pretty much say so. I think a 1 loss SEC,Big 12, or Pac 10 will go before Boise will. Their remaining schedule is way to weak.
No way a one loss big 12 does anything this year.
OU has to win out to get in. Who do they have left?? An overrated Nebraska team?
Missouri and Oklahoma State, and likely either Missouri or Nebraska in the Big XII CG.
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Even a one loss FSU will go before Boise
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
I believe this.
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No they wont.
They would have beaten a one-loss Iowa team. And…..? Boise State is going to the national title game. Hard to think it possible, but at some point in time we are gonna have to accept it.
Uh...who has Boise State beaten?
Your logic isn’t making sense.
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Michigan State is still undefeated and don't play tOSU
They beat Wisconsin and still play Iowa. Just sayin.
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by Jamil Dawson on Oct 17, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I personally feel we will see much better offensive production for the rest of the regular season.
We will not, under any circumstances, play a team that defense against the rush that effectively. We just don’t have any on our schedule. Everyone we have left ranks in the bottom half of the FBS, except for Florida… Who, by the way, just got burned on the ground today by a one-dimentional Mississippi State offense. (NINE passes all day? WHAT?) Seriously, we’ll be fine on the ground, and that will take tons of pressure off of Ponder… Or EJ. Whoever starts.
Should be EJ for a while, though, IMO. Ponder is obviously dinged up, but his pride is holding back some of the pain. Heal, guy. Heal.
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Clemson?
I think Clemson’s run D is fairly stout, although their number may be inflated due to the cupcakes they opened with. Bowers is really coming on so they will probably be the best defense we face in the upcoming games.
by osceolafan2.0 on Oct 17, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Clemson concerns me still
I think we’ll be able to run on them but their line is pretty good, though the LB’s are sh***y. Hopefully by the time we play them Dabo will still have Ellington splitting carries with that softie Harper
by westcoastnolefan on Oct 17, 2010 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
they dont play the run as well but they play the pass better
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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I would like to see Ponder burn Deandre McDaniel for a couple of TD's. Hey a guy can dream right?
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
If that happens, you will finally get your wish and it will get EJ into the game. ;-)
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
McDaniel
Went to Godby High School in Tallahassee, shame we didn’t get him.(Does anyone know if we even offered him?)
by ELITEFORCE850 on Oct 17, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
We offered. We just didn't recruit him very hard.
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We are their biggest ACCCG threat
I would expect them to put in more preparation and have more focus because a win against us is not only a +1 for them and a -1 to us, but it is the head-to-head tiebreaker.
I expect that to change going forward.
They have historically been a match up problem because it was their size v. our speed. Particularly the last couple of years, they just out physicaled us. That will change and we will have both the size and speed advantage.
We are 3-3 vs. BC
including beating them at Chestnut Hill when they were #2 in the country. I wouldn’t call that “owned.”
were 4-4
now 5-4.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 18, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I am a HUGE Ponder fan
and have been since his first playing time against VT a few years back. But, I have suspected all year that something is not right with him. It’s been written off as many things; tricep bruise, bursa sac, receivers, pass pro, etc. Not discounting any of those, but he is still making bad decisions, and not using his eyes to set up throws. He could have had as many as 7 picks today. And yes, that does include tipped ball that may or may not have been picked anyway. That is giving their defense WAY too many chances. 5th year seniors should not have that problem. Unless I’m badly mistaken, he is allowed to check plays at the LOS and throw the ball away on occasion if the supporting cast does not do their parts.
I am still a HUGE Ponder fan, but physical ailments aside, I hope whatever else is wrong gets straightened out. This team has a decent chance to run the table IF he can return to anything close to 09 form.
All of a sudden, we’re the top dog getting everybody’s best shots again. Good win today. It is okay to be critical even though BB and company are no longer on the sidelines.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 17, 2010 12:51 AM EDT reply actions
the defense is getting better just in the nick of time as Ponder slides.
Putting EJ in makes me nervous about team chemistry and all that Ponder does that we probably do not see, the checks, being able to see what the defense is doing in their formations, etc.
If Ponder keeps almost throwing the game away I would imagine Jimbo has no option but to put EJ in. Im dumbfounded in Ponder’s performance. We just aren’t very good passing the ball and thats what BC made us do.
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the defense getting better aside from those first two drives.
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same here.
something is wrong with Ponder.
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by PeachTreeNole on Oct 17, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Christian Ponder
From Heisman candidate to weak link.
Hey guys..its a win
How many games like this Fugly one did FSU let slip away over the past years? Perfect example was last season: They stomp #7 BYU in Provo and then let a vastly inferior USF offense led by a Fres QB BJ Daniels steal a win in our house.
Yesterday:
-SC lost at …gulp..Kentucky
Earlier:
- Texas got beat by 4 TD’s at home by UCLA
-James Madison and Troy beat Va Tech and Ole Miss earlier this year….
Even great teams have bad games..the difference is these teams find ways not to lose.
Its a win, one that in previous years FSU would have lost.
REJOICE and move on.
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by BigSpearDiplomacy on Oct 17, 2010 7:56 AM EDT reply actions
Exactly
Hey guys..its a win How many games like this Fugly one did FSU let slip away over the past years?
No kidding. People need some perspective. What an f-ing luxury to even be in this spot right now where we bitch about squeaking out a win over Boston College. 6-1, 4-0 ACC, bowl eligible with 5 games left. The. only. ranked. team. in. Florida.
Somebody wake me up, because I’m dreaming right now. NOBODY thought we’d be here at this point, this year. Maybe, hopefully, with our fingers crossed and the stars aligned, we’d be in contention for the ACC next year.
I’m incredibly proud of this team, our coaches and the direction this program is taking. Stunned & happy.
Where's Dan Kendra when you need him?
Couldn't be happier, or luckier, IMO
UF slipping like they are is like something from a movie. The door is open for FSU to get a great jump on moving towards being even with them talent-wise and coaching-wise. I honestly believe our coaching is superior, but we obviously aren’t there talent wise right now.
I think we will be the better team in 2011. And definitely in 2012 at this point. I’m really happy with the way things are going, although I really think there might be a decent reason to sit Ponder for a game or two IF it helps his injuries at all. No reason at all to play a Ponder at 90% if it could allow him to be 100% at the end of the season, we will need him for UF, ACCCG, and the bowl, and I think EJ is plenty good enough to get us to the ACCCG. That’s just me, of course.
I think the added work for EJ obviously helps EJ, sells FSU to recruits even better, and prepares us for the late games and next year.
If CP7 is banged up, I'd be up for bringing in EJ for a bit
I’d prefer Ponder at 100% for NCSt, but we really need to win that game. I’ve also thought that EJ should have come in a bit earlier in those games we were winning by 20 – keep Ponder fresher, get EJ some more reps (setting us up better for next year, and this year should Ponder go down again).
I’m not one calling for Ponder to be benched, but I am a bit tired of Ponder having a bad-looking game and then hearing, “He was injured” again. Um, if he’s injured, maybe sit him? We were able to win three games last year with EJ and the 09 defense… we could win one with EJ and the 10 D, perhaps?
My two cents on the tipped ball interceptions – I wonder if part of that is on Ponder. He’s had a number of tipped balls this year, several of which have been picked. It deserves checking in to – are they all great D plays, or is he throwing a bit low, staring down WRs, not getting enough zip, etc.?
Wow
Was that an incredibly subtle dig at BB?
“James Madison and TROY beat Va Tech and Ole Miss earlier this year…”
Didn’t BB call JaxSt “Troy” in one interview or something?
busted
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by BigSpearDiplomacy on Oct 17, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I am not a fan of saying, "Hey, we looked like shit, but at least some other big schools lost..."
I think that’s a horrible way to look at things. Do I think it’s funny they lost? Yes. Do I think it has ANY bearing on our performance? Hell no.
And I do realize this is a game we would’ve lost in years past. I said it in this thread somewhere I think. The PROCESS dictates you compare yourself to your own capabilities, not to other teams (RESULTS).
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I agree with tyour thoughts on process. I just think Ponder's only had 2 bad games out of 7.
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Wait, Ponder? What?
I didn’t mention him.
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damn right.
I am not going to sit here and say “start EJ” and that is the answer to our problems at qb. I am saying you leave aside the RESULT of yesterday’s game, look at the information gathered from yesterday’s game (specifically from the qb position), and realize the coaching staff has a problem to solve, again specifically at the qb position. Cause you’re crazy if you think our future opponents this season are NOT going to use B.C’s defensive scheme from yesterday as a blueprint for beating FSU.
Now, do we want to rest our laurels on “this is a game we would have lost in previous years” and move on like nothing happened, or do we adjust to the new information we have about Ponder so that we can continue winning.
I am not opposed to giving EJ some time at this point.
First prize is a Cadillac El Dorado. Anyone wanna see second prize? Second prize is a set of steak knives. Third prize is you're fired.
Other than maybe UNC or Clem and its still doubtful noone in the ACC will use BC's scheme. They stoned our run game for the first half 30something yards...
won’t happen again mark it..
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We did not run the ball in the first half. Only 8 times.
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We could be ranked as low as 13th in the polls and the first BCS poll gets released today, at 2pm I believe.
In a couple of weeks, how this game was played and won will be long forgotten and it will just be another W on our resume in our quest for the division title, and the ACCCG.
I for one am not too worried about who will start as QB against NCST, because for the first time in many years I am confident the coaches (Jimbo) will do what will give us the best shot at winning and what is best for FSU football.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Couldn't agree more
But don’t you think it is fun to speculate and compare what a FrankDNole coached FSU team would do? I just like to see what others are thinking, andI just like talking in the hypothetical, but I have 100% confidence in Jimbo, wouldn’t trade him for anyone.
With all of this CP7 is the weak link talk
I wouldn’t be shocked if he passed for 300+ and 4 TDs against NC St and finished the season looking like a 1st round pick.
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Haha, true.
But I actually would be surprised. :X
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Shoot we could throw a screen passes and hitches for 250 on them.
"Don't bite your friends" - DJ Lancerock
It's out of mine.
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
Congrats Noles
Now, it is up to you guys to represent the State of Florida. Although Ponder didn’t look his best against Boston and the defense didn’t have its best day, the Noles displayed one essential element that is necessary to be a championship team. The element is the ability to win games which other teams would most defintely lose. While I am hesitant to make the comparison, because I don’t want to get blasted, the 2006 UF team rarely won a game in a convincing manner; however, we found ways to win. If you guys continue to win games and make the necessary adjustments, the Noles may find themsleves in contention by year’s end. At worst, the Noles will attain a favorable ranking at the commencement of the 2011 season. That being said, I am going to crawl back into my pit of mysery and disgust, drink a bottle of 151, and try my hardest to forget this season ever happened. With the exception of November 27th, I hope your Noles keep it going and continue to improve.
Why?
would you want the ’noles to improve while UF falls by the wayside?
by DeionWarrick on Oct 18, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions
You haven't read my previous posts.
I pull for all the Florida teams with the exception of one Florida team located in the southern tip of the state. If one of the Florida schools is performing well and receives national recognition, it keeps the State of Florida relevant and will ultimatly provide residual benefits to the other Florida programs. Besides, in my opinion, the only time it makes sense to hope or desire another Florida program to perform poorly is when we play one another. Lastly, UF will not fall too far. We never do. It may be a few years before we are nationally relevant again; however, it merely comes with the territory. Right now, it is your turn; and I will pull for the Noles so long as their opponent is not UF.
Ave Maria?
I pull for all the Florida teams with the exception of one Florida team located in the southern tip of the state
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
The HS players in FL keep the state relevant
Regardless of how many of the U’s are dominant.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 18, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
A reasonable Gators fan *AND* a reasonable Canes fan on an FSU board AT THE SAME TIME??
Room……spinning…….must……lay……down…….
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Oderint Dum Metuant
Werner
Didn’t seem to play much in this game (looked through the highlights only saw him in on one play) and he didn’t get a tackle. Is that more that he is banged up/hitting a freshman wall, or that Marcus White is finally playing well enough to earn most of the reps? (hope it’s the latter, he sure gives plenty of effort)
Not sure, but a good question
White has played pretty well all year
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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