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Top Quotes Following Florida State's Win Over Boston College

17.  "Good football teams aren't always good. They are good when they have to be. I feel very relieved and very fortunate to come out with a victory even though we didn't play well in certain aspects. I still think we fought and stayed in the game. My hats off to defense. They held us in the game," Jimbo Fisher

16.  "It's been a long time since we won a game like this. A tough game where the other team may not be as good, but is going to fight you. We showed some fight. We punched back. That says something about us."  Bert Reed

15.  "In the past, I think we would have struggled and probably not won this game."  Christian Ponder

14.  "We found ways to kick [lose games in the past] around here every now and then." coach Jimbo Fisher said about the Noles pulling out the kind of game they often lost in recent years.

13.  "I feel we wouldn't have won this game in the past. Guys would have gotten down in certain situations," said linebacker Nigel Bradham, who had a team-high 10 tackles.

12. "We needed this, coming off that big win at Miami. Just like that Oklahoma game. We needed that," said defensive end Brandon Jenkins, who led the defense with two sacks

11.  "It wasn't pretty," Fisher said. "Like I've said before, we have not arrived. We have a long way to go as a football team, and we have a lot of mistakes we have to get ironed out. But I did see a football team that would compete, that stayed together, that didn't panic and made enough plays to win a game. Sometimes great seasons are made on games that you can scratch, claw and fight and find a way a way to pull one out. But we have a long way to go to where we need to go."

10.  "The first play we had the wrong personnel. They got a call from up top and thought they were in one back but they had two tight ends in. We were in nickel and one gap short. My hats off to Reid for running the guy down and making the play," said Jimbo Fisher on Greg Reid running down Montel Harris following his 72 yard run to open up the game.

9.  "This year, we trust the defense and the defense trusts us. We feed off of each other. It just feels like everybody is together now. We're a family."  Bert Reed

8.  "It swelled up pretty good and it was hurting a little bit, but it wasn't too bad. I'll probably get it drained and after that it'll be fine. What affected me the most was making dumb mental mistakes. I got to thank my teammates. They pulled me out of it."  Christian Ponder

7.  "We had some crucial short-yardage plays and he's a big back and is able to lower his shoulder and get those few yards.  He's still battling an ankle injury but that was huge for him to go out there and do what he did," said Christian Ponder on Ty Jones, who returned after missing the last 2 games and converted a third and 1 with a 1-yard run, and a 1-yard gain on fourth and 1 on the final drive that ran out the last 8:04 of the game. He finished with 35 yards on 10 carries, although he lost yardage on a run for the first time this season.

6.  "We didn't take enough chances, but we knew we had to do something drastic to try to change it and try to get some plays out there and try to get some guys on the edge. It was the right situation; they'd been doing some things on second down and we thought we got a little pattern there late in the second half, and we thought it was time to make it and luckily we did." Jimbo Fisher on calling the reverse.

5.  "Let me get this," said Bert Reed just before taking the pitch on an end around and racing 42 yards for a touchdown. "I just wanted that play bad. I saw Taiwan had great block and I went outside of him and then Jermaine had a great block. Then I saw nothing but green grass and I had to get there. I've been banged up a little bit, but nothing was going to stop me right there. Sometimes I go down pretty easy, but I felt like nothing was going to stop me right there from getting in that end zone. My team needed it, man."

4.  "He took a shot (the play before)," Ponder added, "and for him to come back and bounce right back on the next play and go for a big touchdown was huge. He really stepped up for me personally. He saved my butt. … I didn't really give us a chance at all to win and the defense played really well and the guys around me played really well and we were able to pull it out. That just proves the character that we have on this team."

3.  "The good teams I've been around and the great seasons I've been around, you find a way to win one or two ballgames like this that you just – you don't play your 'A' game," Fisher said. "You know what I mean? That's what I'm happiest about. That our kids didn't fluster, they didn't panic."

2.  "He was banged and bruised, he didn't play his normal game, but the kid's a winner. He's a champion. I know what's in his heart and I know what's in his mind and I looked him in the eye. I don't ever doubt on him. I don't. I believe in him and you measure players on their bad days. When you're able to scrounge around and find a win on your bad day, it says a lot about you"  said Coach Jimbo Fisher, who knew about the injury but never wavered in sticking with CP7 throughout the game.

1.  "Coach Fisher has been telling us that we're on that island, and all the boats have been burned. And we're not going back to what we used to be.  He's right. We haven't arrived yet, but I think we have begun a new chapter. There's a lot of pictures of guys on the walls around here who did a lot of great things for FSU. We're not going to take them down, but it's time we put some new pictures on the wall. Everybody has a past, but what are you going to do in the present? That's what's important. If we can keep improving and working hard, people are going to remember this team, too."  Punter Shawn Powell 

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Some great quotes in there

I’m proud of this team.

Where's Dan Kendra when you need him?

by GregJones on Oct 17, 2010 12:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Frankdnole

This is a great piece. I LOVE the quote from Powell. I trust the team is buying into the idea of determining their own destiny by committing to Jimbo’s process.

I want to see Ponder’s picture up.

by BCDnole on Oct 17, 2010 12:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Powell's quote about respecting the past, but making their own history

I’m glad the coaches and players are doing this…can’t say the same about many of the fans.

Gripper

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by Gripper on Oct 17, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well, there are other boards full of former Bobby cheerleaders...

you know, the ones who kept Bobby in power to the detriment of FSU until the bitter end?

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by PeachTreeNole on Oct 17, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

To say that fans on other boards kept BB in power is silly

Wants to live in a world where Batting Average goes the way of the Dodo!

by RaysnNoles on Oct 17, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it?

There were/are a lot of Bowden loyalists and they don’t tend to congregate on this site. I’m sure many of them expressed their desire for Bowden to be retained.

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by tricknole on Oct 17, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you really think the average fan had any say in BB job status?

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by RaysnNoles on Oct 17, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

No. Never said they did. The decision was based on money.

But a few years ago the money was still supporting Bowden.

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by tricknole on Oct 17, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

the older boosters who post, posted on those boards

they were the heart of the problem. As for the “’average” fans on those boards, they were doing their best to quash any voice of oppoistion on the net, they weren’t writing to the admin, they were contributing to the boosters, they were buying tickets and putting butts in the seats, all for the love of Bobby— yeah, they were the problem.

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by PeachTreeNole on Oct 17, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, the older fans aren't the problem

Average fans who started following FSU in the 90’s and beyond abandon the team…not the older ones. Booster surveys show that the “older” fans still contributing money, still buying tickets.
I’m sure there are some Bowden loyalist who are mad enough to stop supporting FSU, but there are far more on the “average” who gave up on the program and from the looks of it, are slow to return.

Gripper

How bout them Noles!

by Gripper on Oct 18, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're talking about something else entirely, I think.

You, I believe, are talking about the “problem” of decreasing football revenue.
Fiesta, I believe, is talking about the “problem” of letting Bowden coach too long.

Two different concepts, which Fiesta, I believe, is saying that the one led to the other.

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by tricknole on Oct 18, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

They turn on the team...live during games... to me this isn't acceptable.

Was it as bad at the game as it seemed on TV? just felt like they start moaning at the drop of a hat, rather than remaining positive and getting behind the team when they get in these tough games.

This needs to change IMO. Be honest and give valid complaints after the game but turning on the team in real time is NEVER ACCEPTABLE.

Like the guy in the other thread…“yelled at Reid” after the lost yards return!? Seriously!? let the coaches do that.

Off soap box now.

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by truecolors on Oct 17, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

It wasn't a smart move by Reid.

But it seemed unlucky because I thought he juked the one defender and as he cut to run through the lane he just created he ran into his own teammate, causing the whole mess.

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by tricknole on Oct 17, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with returners like him you have to take one on the noggin occasionally or you lose that creativity they bring.

I was more referencing the fans response in the post.. “yelled at hi” and seemed like it was a joke and “worked out” cause he started plaing mad or something… unacceptable.

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by truecolors on Oct 17, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was there, I didn't hear any moaning.

On Reid’s boneheaded play… consensus was he was trying to make something happen. We were just glad he didn’t fumble.

Gripper

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by Gripper on Oct 17, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec for logic

da grippa see to have lef dat out

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by stevegrizzle on Oct 18, 2010 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

NIce...glad someone noticed

And grizzle come on, how bout rec for making fun of the “Jimbo 1-0 vs UM” statement at the top of the board. That was ripe for being ridiculed.

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by Gripper on Oct 18, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't mind the moaning.

As long as it is just moaning. Still the loudest/biggest crowd of the year and they got pretty dang noisy when they needed to be. I never had a shot at hearing the whistle the refs were trying to blow when 3 FSU Dlineman piled on the QB toward the end of the game. It was rocking. BC didn’t seem to get the timeout in time to me. All well.

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by onebarrelrum on Oct 18, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was VERY obvious on TV

in fact, I thought we were gonna get a MAJOR personal foul penalty cuz the whistle blew A LOT. Good to hear, that it was masked in the stadium, though.

by NolenRyan on Oct 18, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha,

yeah, going back and watching on TV, “WOW, that whistle was that loud?” In the stadium it took forever for us to figure out what was going on.

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by onebarrelrum on Oct 18, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

the Powell quote is awesome. The boats are burnt – we aren’t going back!

Chop it up Seminoles!

by horsepowernole on Oct 17, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

If memory serves,

that quote refers to the method of motivation used by Cortes. It was not on an island, but when he landed with his naval force on the shore of Mexico. Tradition has it that he burned all of the ships of his fleet to show his men that there was no tunrning back and no option but victory, whereupon they conquered the Aztecs and ended the rule of Montezuma, except for his revenge, which lives today and afflicts those without the intestinal fortitude to overcome it.

by Nole75 on Oct 18, 2010 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

"if memory serves"

you some serious longevity genes in your family tree :-)

by OGN on Oct 18, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hit send too quickly.

I should have added, “I loved his quote too”.

by Nole75 on Oct 18, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Ponder is hurt

and can not keep the defense honest with the long ball, Fisher needs to consider other options which are obvious.

by ben rust on Oct 17, 2010 12:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Hopefully

Having 12 and 8 days off before the next two games might help, but as an ex baseball player that had arm problems I know those injuries never seem to completely go away.

by vanillathrilla83 on Oct 17, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ponder is our QB, I'm fully behind that but

if his injury affects the teams play in an adverse manner, I would hope Jimbo has the strength to put EJ in. If Ponder is fine by the NCSU game, then no problem, but if not….

by JaviLouis on Oct 17, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's definately a plus

when opposing defenses only have to defend an area 15 to 20 yards from the LOS. No one respects our passing game because we really don’t have one at the moment. 3 yard screens that turn into 25 yard gains isn’t a passing game. We haven’t shown we can throw the ball down field and teams don’t have to prepare for that. Whatever excuse you want to use, receivers don’t have experience, they run bad routes, Ponder doesn’t have confidence in them, Ponder is hurt, Ponder is off his game, the point is still valid & true. This isn’t last years offense and someone is going use OU’s playbook to expose our lack of a passing game in the future. BC came pretty close despite not having a decent QB on their team.

by 30yearnole on Oct 17, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

OU and BC had top defenses

We wont see many of those the rest of the year

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 17, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

NC State, Clemson, UNC and UF don't have quality defenses?

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by tricknole on Oct 17, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know what you consider "quality" and "top", but ok.

I think we still have 4 fairly good or better defenses left on our schedule.

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by tricknole on Oct 17, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Based on the games I saw yesterday

I’d say NC State and UF’s defense are far from top quality

by NoleFrenzy on Oct 17, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoo-whee, those WHOPPING 245 yards they gave up to Mississippi State?

Boston College’s defense didn’t look good when they gave up 422 yards to NC State…

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by tricknole on Oct 17, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not so much the number of yards

but the fact that MSU ran the same play over and over and over and over and florida still couldn’t slow them down very much. They threw 1 pass in the 2nd half. If that uf team shows up in Tally, we’ll run it down their throats all day and as soon as the start playing up, we actually have the passing game to torch them (struggled yesterday, yes, but typically)

by NoleFrenzy on Oct 17, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

We do not have a good passing game.

2nd half drives for Mississippi State:
9 plays/28 yards/punt
3/9/punt
8/28/missed fg
9/31/punt

After the first quarter, no MSU drive went further than 31 yards and none of them ended in points. One third of their drives on the night were 3 and outs.

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by tricknole on Oct 17, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Average, as in ~50% of the nation is better, ~50% worse?

I don’t know. Maybe. Maybe not. I think they’re good enough to not dismiss them by saying “we won’t see many [defenses like Boston College’s] the rest of the year” as if Boston College is some elite d.

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by tricknole on Oct 17, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

* BC's run d is elite

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by truecolors on Oct 17, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

UF's defense IS NOT average

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaadef

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by RaysnNoles on Oct 17, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well by those measurements

We’ve already shredded 3 out of the top 20 of those D’s, including the #2.

by NoleFrenzy on Oct 17, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well we do have an above average offense

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by RaysnNoles on Oct 17, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

UCF's D is better than ours

what a joke. still using the s and p’s from last year i guess.

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by stevegrizzle on Oct 18, 2010 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

UCF has a quality defense.

Not going to argue the ranking, but I do think they are good.

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by tricknole on Oct 18, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

That list is still pretty flawed.

FSU at #64?

BC at #67?

and yet BYU at #20?

I think you deserve one of your own snippy statistically snobish retorts for referencing that list as definitively at this point.

(Though I agree I would need to see some STRONG evidence to teh contrary before believing UF does not field a very good defense.)

by arrdub on Oct 18, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

These stats will be MUCH more useful at the end of the year...

there is still alot that isn’t acounted for…

I think their run defense i pretty average…we’ll see if that bears out.

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by truecolors on Oct 18, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

What makes you say their run D is average?

They are allowing 3.8 YPC (avg is 4.1) and that is against 5 teams who all have an average to great rush offense.

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by RaysnNoles on Oct 18, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

They gave up a bunch of yards on the ground to AL and Miss state ran the ball to the tune of plus 200yds even though they knew it was coming.

Also AL hasn’t run the ball nearly as well tha last two weeks. I don’t think they are good against the run they are average. JMO

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by truecolors on Oct 19, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

also Trickette is right we need to define "average"

I’m saying if you aren’t elite top 5 or 10 your just average. I did not intend for it to be a scientific term apologies.

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by truecolors on Oct 19, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

*Tricknole

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by truecolors on Oct 19, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, but I do think our offense is worlds better than MSU's

I don’t think we have a good passing game, but we have a workable passing game, and once we establish the run, that’s all we’ll need.
MSU offense didn’t light them up, but they chewed clock and repeatedly pinned uf deep. If florida’s defense was as good as I keep hearing, they would’ve stifled them more than they did.

by NoleFrenzy on Oct 17, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd think UM's D is better than WF's

Yet WF held us to fewer pts than UM. Just because our O is better than MSU’s doesn’t mean we’ll do better against uf than they did.

uf has enough athletes that I’m not convinced we’ll do worlds better than MSU did. We probably will score more than 10, but we’ve flopped against them before, so who knows.

by Invictus13 on Oct 17, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

UF's defense unnerves me

Especially if Ponder doesn’t pick it up a bit.

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by CornNole on Oct 18, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ooo

They do pick off passes left and right, don’t they? Three different players have three INTs on the year.

by Invictus13 on Oct 18, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah - and Ponder darn near

threw 2 more pic 6’s - one of them was luckily called back on a penalty

If either of those hit, we probably would have lost to BC

by OGN on Oct 18, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even historically, I think UF's defense has been aided tremendously by the OFFENSIVE pressure they put on teams.

Not necessarily the case in 2006- and previous, but in their run since then (up until this season, may it RIP), their offense put up so many points that opposing teams had to really press and ended up turning the ball over at an insane clip.

by arrdub on Oct 18, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Umm...they only gave up 245 yards and 10 points.

That’s pretty damn good.

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by CornNole on Oct 17, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Miss st's offense is terrible.

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by truecolors on Oct 18, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

it is?

I wouldn’t say terrible. Average maybe. Before the UF game they were averaging over 400 yards a game and that is going up against some very stout teams. After UF they now average 392 a game. FSU even after the BC game averages 421. UF’s offense? Averages 329 yards a game-that’s terrible.

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by onebarrelrum on Oct 18, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

meh

if it works, it works. Better than the turd the gates are putting on the field every week. Mullen is doing what he can with the guys he has. I have no doubt that offense will get better, maybe not this year, but as he has the opportunity to get better players to fit his stuff.

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by onebarrelrum on Oct 18, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree from the coaching standpoint do whatever you have to..

we’re talking about the Gator point of view. They knew before, during and after the run, and still gave up plus 200 on the ground.

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by truecolors on Oct 19, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was the most excitingly boring game I've seen in awhile.

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by tricknole on Oct 18, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I luv to hate the gates

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by truecolors on Oct 19, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Terrible is a bit of an overstatement

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by RaysnNoles on Oct 18, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

a bit.

just a bit though… no I’m sticking with terrible they pased 9 times gave up 7 points had pluss 200 rushing and still only scored 10 points.

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by truecolors on Oct 19, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who's saying they are great defenses?

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by tricknole on Oct 17, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think BC is any better than the defenses we will face.

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by tricknole on Oct 19, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

garbage time included

BC allows 4.6 yards a play with a GARBAGE offense.
NCState allows 5.5 with good offense.

I do think BC is better than NC State. Clemson (5.1), UF (4.8), MARY (4.6) all compare pretty well with BC.

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by onebarrelrum on Oct 19, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

UNC?

Definitely not saying every defense we will face here on out is better than BC, just that to proclaim BC some elite defense and that we won’t face anyone near as good as them again is just wrong.

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by tricknole on Oct 19, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dang forgot UNC

And I was agreeing, the defenses left on the schedule have shown that they can be just as difficult as BC outside of NC State. Don’t feel like looking up UNC. HAHA.

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by onebarrelrum on Oct 19, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

UNC is getting torched on the ground this year

If that continues when we play them they will either have to stack the box, opening to the PA pass, or they will get ran over. NC State’s defense is hot garbage. Clemson and UF both have high quality Ds though.

by osceolafan2.0 on Oct 17, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stats aside

I agree with you from the games I have watched.

by Bokata on Oct 17, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

One aside though

Clemson’s LB play has been fairly spotty. If Reliford keeps progressing, or we feature Pryor more in the passing game, either one of them could have a big day. The key will be keeping Bowers off of Ponder.

by osceolafan2.0 on Oct 17, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good analogy there "30"........

somebody has said it’s the line, some have said it’s receivers, some cp-7, and some even still deny a problem exists.
 Hopefully, JF will use these upcoming days off to determine whats wrong. I just hope our backup gets as many reps as possible as soon as possible if the elbow problem persists. Cp-7 carried us several times last season as the “D” floundered. F or whatever reason it’s clear Thats not the case right now. EJ did well last season in relief, has a former 4-5 star ranking and another years seasoning. FWIW, my opinion is give him some time, see how he does if the “slump” continues.
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by OLDNOLE60 on Oct 17, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Completely agree.

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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."

by tricknole on Oct 17, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was bummed about how we won

But felt a lot better after all the upsets, the Gayturds especially, luckily we won and can grow from this tough game

by WinstonSalemNole on Oct 17, 2010 12:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I was bummed about how we won too...

But then I remembered being at the game last year vs USF and remember all the other games I was bummed about how we played..Then I remember we won. The process wasn’t good but the results were so I’ll take it for one game.

by fsugrizz on Oct 17, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes to both of you

Winning removes the bitterness from most any game (removing the obvious 2A teams). That was definitely in short supply last year. We’ve already equaled last year’s regular season win record. Two more wins and we’re 8-5, which was my prediction. But the fact that 10-3 (or better) is a possibility is stunning! If we do go 11-2, wouldn’t it be funny if Coach Fisher won the Bobby Bowden National College Coach of the Year Award? That would be rich.

Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!

by GonzoNole on Oct 18, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed it is

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Bowden_National_Collegiate_Coach_of_the_Year_Award

Saban won it last year.

Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!

by GonzoNole on Oct 18, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Fisher wins it, I wonder if BB will present it to him. Interesting thought huh?

>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Oct 18, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

He'll send it flying up from the back aisle

Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!

by GonzoNole on Oct 18, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was extrapatatin

Extrapodatin, extramalatin….hypothesizing that if we only won two more games this year, we’d be 8-5. It didn’t quite come out right. I wanted to say that it seems unlikely we would only win two more games. So, yes, 8-1 is two games away baby!

Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!

by GonzoNole on Oct 18, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

This seemed to be the week for upsets

and we survived the week of upsets. So, we won, but the guys know that they didn’t play well, which will be good motivation for the week and a half that they have off.

by NolenRyan on Oct 17, 2010 12:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Anybody watch the press conference?

Just wondering if anyone asked Ponder about that slide on the final drive? I think I was more disappointed by that slide than any of his picks.

by nole country for old men on Oct 17, 2010 1:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I thought it was a beautiful slide

Maybe if he did that more often, he’d be healthy and looking at a giant payday as a top NFL pick. Hasn’t he given enough to this program?

by NoleySmokes on Oct 17, 2010 1:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Couldn't he have dove?

There are 3 options: Slide short of the 1st down, dive for the first down, or try to plow his way through the defenders for the first down. Throughout his entire career, he has always chosen the “plow” option. The “dive” would’ve worked just fine there and not have left him too vulnerable either.

MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."

by tricknole on Oct 17, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Totally agree with you, Noley

It was a great slide.

No, he didn’t get the first down, and maybe he could have taken another step before he slid, but that is just what you want a valuable QB to do to protect themselves. We all love to see the “Tebow Play,” with a QB laying the lumber to a linebacker, but that’s not reality. The reality is those hits tend to hurt QBs more than the linebackers, and the QB is your most valuable player on the field by a wide margin.

Jimbo should reinforce Ponder’s tendency to slide, not punish it. It will serve us well, increase Ponder’s durability this season, and enhance his draft status when his FSU career is over.

"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra

by Dogrel on Oct 17, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

W/5 min left in the 4th quarter???

GET THE FIRST DOWN! Btw, I love Ponder. Couldn’t believe it when he slid. The dude really has given 100% for the program

by nole country for old men on Oct 17, 2010 2:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The announcer said right before he slid........

“He wont slide”

From here on out, i only have one ho.........that's sweet lady propane. And i'm tricking her out all over town. -Hank Hill

by Scalpemall on Oct 18, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't forget

EJ was 3-1 as a starter last year with a win in a bowl game. He also did that with a defense that supposedly had no playbook. No small feat. Play Ponder if he’s able to make the throws, if not it’s the Future’s turn, no regrets! Keep rollin, Florida State. Btw, it’s mighty quite around Central Florida without all the Chomp Chomp talk. I love it!!!

by NoleySmokes on Oct 17, 2010 1:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Yes it is.....

my neighbor took down his UF flag sometime last night for the first time in years. LOL. Here in Tampa I’ve seen more Noles flags & magnets on cars/trucks lately than in a LONG time.

Chop it up Seminoles!

by horsepowernole on Oct 17, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

hate people like that

if u don’t wave your flag when your team is down, you shouldn’t be able to wave your flag when your team is up.

just my $0.02

by beezyfsu on Oct 17, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, Marilyn Monroe.

MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."

by tricknole on Oct 17, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

From here on out, i only have one ho.........that's sweet lady propane. And i'm tricking her out all over town. -Hank Hill

by Scalpemall on Oct 18, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Had dinner last night in a pub in Columbia County (just north of G-ville)

with my ’Noles gear on, hard. All the Gayturds were crying. Classic.

 I call their season the “I miss Timmy Tour ’10”

by DoubleNickel on Oct 17, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

or Vic Viloria

I’m a huge fan of all our new coaches, but love watching Vic during games. Everytime he appears on tv, he’s so enthusiastic.

by fsu2wall on Oct 17, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

After watching him during the BC game, I realize how often he jumps.

I mean he just jumps straight up. What’s his vertical? It was quite impressive given his size.

by Bokata on Oct 17, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Artificially inflated...

Complete lack of wind resistance on the way up.

Oderint Dum Metuant

by DRusso97 on Oct 18, 2010 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for this, Frank

Jimbo needs to stop all of this trick play garbage that obviously never works. Just another reason to add to the list. www.fireJimbo.com

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Oct 17, 2010 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

COACHES POLL

We stayed at 17 got jumped by mizz ok st.

by jskipnole on Oct 17, 2010 1:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Doesn't matter.

Our goal is to win an ACC championship, something we haven’t done in 5 years. If that happens, the rankings will take care of themselves.

by FSUActuary on Oct 17, 2010 2:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ok by me.

We didn’t put on a show. We merely won against a mediocre BC team.
Let’s face it-the Coaches don’t watch every game. Yet if some of them watched ours, they’d have seen an underperforming team struggle against an overmatched team. Yes we got the win so we don’t drop in the polls, but this wasn’t impressive enough to bump us up either.

To my thinking , this is an acceptable ratings range (12-18) for us to remain the whole season.
If we end this season in this general ranking area, I’m fine with it.

Like FSUActuary said, our goal is to get to the ACCCG and win it. Ratings will come and go, but winning the conference is what matters.

"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra

by Dogrel on Oct 17, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ranking are meaningless to us this year

It’s about being better that last year. That is all.

by jvnoledawg on Oct 17, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

check

From here on out, i only have one ho.........that's sweet lady propane. And i'm tricking her out all over town. -Hank Hill

by Scalpemall on Oct 18, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's cool, because after Ponder's performance yesterday, I still see a 9-3 team.

We use misdirection stratetically, but we’re still fairly 1-dimensional without an accurate passing game..

proud graduate of the Uncle Rico Quarterback Camp

by PeachTreeNole on Oct 17, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmmmm

209 ypg passing, 211 ypg rushing;

by loopy1 on Oct 18, 2010 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

In Jimbo We Trust

" they’d been doing some things on second down and we thought we got a little pattern there late in the second half, and we thought it was time to make it and luckily we did." Jimbo Fisher on calling the reverse

This is good stuff. Thanks for the article Frank

by LincolnHighNole on Oct 17, 2010 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Great stuff Frank!

The Powell quote is amazing!

>>>-----------;;;-->CP7 for Heisman>>>-----------;;;-->

by RollNole5 on Oct 17, 2010 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Powell's quote
“Coach Fisher has been telling us that we’re on that island, and all the boats have been burned. And we’re not going back to what we used to be.

I believe this is from Think and Grow Rich and if Jimbo is a student of that line of thinking then I have the utmost faith in him. For those who don’t know Think and Grow Rich is a book that has produce more successful people then any book in the world.

by Legal_Seminole on Oct 17, 2010 2:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Wait, what?

How in the world can a book “produce” successful people? That is something the publisher says in an TV infomercial, if they had had infomercials back then.

by TuckNole on Oct 17, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea. The Torah.

That’s the Jewish Book of Learning that consists of the first five books of the BIble. There was one in Hawaii in 1941 that the Japanese wanted to take so that they could become successful. That is why the code word for the attack upon Pearl Harbor was “Torah Torah Torah!”.

by Nole75 on Oct 18, 2010 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think this team is really banged up.

Outside of just Ponder. I think all the throws especially in the first half was because A) Jimbo still thought Ponder could throw on them and 2) the running backs are really beat up. I think the ’Noles were extremely limited in what they could do. When it was clear we needed to get it done FSU had to lean on banged up guys Jones and Thomas in the end.

Jenkins on radio interview after the game pretty much confirmed how beat up everyone is right now. And with Warchant buying the reports about how well everyone was doing (“this is the most healthy the team has been since opening day” or whatever nonsense) a lot of people expected that the Noles would go out there and dominate. Clearly not the case. FSU needs this off week BADLY.

Great stuff on the quotes FrankD.

FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.

by onebarrelrum on Oct 17, 2010 2:06 PM EDT reply actions  

The most telling quote to me:
9. “This year, we trust the defense and the defense trusts us. We feed off of each other. It just feels like everybody is together now. We’re a family.” Bert Reed

This is a wonderful quote. This was also unheard-of last year.

Come to think of it, It was unheard-of the year before. And the year before that, and every year since at least 2005.
The players are trusting each other to do their jobs and know they will be there to help them out should they have a bad day. There is no finger-pointing. The coaches are all pushing the players in the same direction and there is no dissension in the ranks.

"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra

by Dogrel on Oct 17, 2010 2:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Can the Bobby apologists read these quotes

and recognize the time was now? Or do they continue to stick their heads in the sand? Just wondering.

Or maybe they are too old to remember last year, and the year before that, and the year before that….

by jvnoledawg on Oct 17, 2010 2:32 PM EDT reply actions  

and that's the last I'll say of that

As coach says, the past is the past, time to move forward.

by jvnoledawg on Oct 17, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

The coaches and players have been saying since Jimbo took over...not sure why some it takes longer for some fans.

Gripper

Tommyhawk Nation - Against Miami: Bobby Bowden 15 wins: All other FSU coaches combined 9 wins.

by Gripper on Oct 17, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone is beat up.

If you watched that Miami game you knew we were real physical. No way they were going to have the same intensity as last week. FSU is fine and playing well. Stop the Ponder panic!!! He is 6-1 this season, who cares how it gets done. I like style points to but I like wins more. His 300 yard games last year were great to watch but the non bowl record was not. The play calling is really poor more than his play this season. I heard the crowd boo so much on that last pass to the flats that I think the coaches realized that hey, these fans know that in zone defense that this pass is covered….Stop calling it coach! You didn’t see it again.

Big win followed by let down is the story of college football.

ND beats #1 FSU, Losses following week to BC.
USC beats # Bama, Losses following week to Kentucky
Bama beats UF, losses following week to USC

ect, ect….Be glad to get the win, rest, and get some recruits committed. We will beat N.C. State and then a 7-1 FSU will be locked in to the ACC Championship. Nothing else matters at this point. Go Noles!

by pb4957 on Oct 17, 2010 3:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I love Ponder's short term memory.

He throws picks, then leads us on scoring drives. That second scoring drive was awesome!

by UMnole on Oct 17, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ponder has the short-term memory of a pothead....

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude……”

Cough cough

Oderint Dum Metuant

by DRusso97 on Oct 17, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.......

That dudes needs medical weed. Seriously—I’ve HAD a migrane before.

Only one…and it SUCKED.
(was not the result of a concussion)

Oderint Dum Metuant

by DRusso97 on Oct 17, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I get them...

Wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy. I feel for Percy, man. Sounds like his are bad.

Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman

by CornNole on Oct 18, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've got just one thing to say about that...

uh…oh, I forgot what i was gonna say, man.

proud graduate of the Uncle Rico Quarterback Camp

by PeachTreeNole on Oct 17, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

This concerns me a little though

Ponder:

He saved my butt. … I didn’t really give us a chance at all to win and the defense played really well and the guys around me played really well and we were able to pull it out.

I like that he gives his teammates credit, but I’d like to see a little more confidence from our QB.

by Tug on Oct 17, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where is he not confident?

He said he didn’t play well. He said the team stepped up and won the game for us.

MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."

by tricknole on Oct 17, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're right

I took it out of context and got an impression that he doubted his own abilities. I was mistaken, I do like the honesty and think he said right things.

by Tug on Oct 17, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he should have cried and vowed never to let him or his teamates play that badly ever again (scarcsim)

Really did well didn’t he? just own it and move on.

"Don't bite your friends" - DJ Lancerock

by truecolors on Oct 17, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know what context it was said in. I do hope he doesn't play like crap again.

He can continue his “average” play, but no more 4 to, please.

MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."

by tricknole on Oct 17, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd say it's honesty

He’s being honest….He stunk that game, he knows it, his teammates did what they had to do and they pulled it out! Thank goodness this is a team sport and not an individual sport!

by DJ82585 on Oct 17, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

QB confidence is huge.

I think him owning up to the poor performance earns respect from teammates. Plus he gave credit were credit was immensely due. I highly doubt CP wanted to be taken out. He wanted to fight through the mess he credit and finish the win.

by Bokata on Oct 17, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've been watching Nole football for a long time

and I don’t ever remember us getting the ball with 8 minutes to go and the game in jeopardy and running out the clock. Great play calling

That was a great drive. And Ponders slide was on 1st down after gaining nine yards. If it was third or fourth down, he wouldn’t have slid.

by gambelero3 on Oct 17, 2010 8:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Great point about Ponder's slide

And the final drive was really great , you don’t see that many times an entire season by any team. Having the ball with over 8 minutes to go and just pounding and pounding away until the game is over was absolutely phenomenal to watch. We didn’t get a lot of big plays, but the consistency finally showed up and won it for us.

"I wish you loved me as much as you love TomahawkNation!"

by freshcollegeboy on Oct 17, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

notice how we finally ran to the right there?

i just rewatched the game and we were 100% sand bagging that game. we lit them up every run to the right but only tried it 3-4 times and ran left like 15 times.

FSU Football: United We Stand

by stevegrizzle on Oct 18, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Finally someone else agrees we did not try to stomp BC into the ground.

We only ran the ball EIGHT (8) times in the first half. EIGHT.

MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."

by tricknole on Oct 18, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

We was makin' like a flood was a comin'.

MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."

by tricknole on Oct 18, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Think FSU running backs are banged up

and he thought he would do better passing it. Had to rely on run game in the end…

FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.

by onebarrelrum on Oct 18, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jones was cleared to play a week ago. Thomas and Thompson were injury free as far as I know.

We intentionally chose not to run it and I believe we did so because we wanted to work on the pass game.

MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."

by tricknole on Oct 19, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

seemed like we also chose to work on running to datko's side

when we did decide to run.

as soon as we lost the lead and were in dire need for yards we ran left and picked up big chunks

FSU Football: United We Stand

by stevegrizzle on Oct 19, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

*ran right

FSU Football: United We Stand

by stevegrizzle on Oct 19, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do not think it is all ponders fault.

Our receivers are not getting open down the field. And other teams know it. All they have to do is play all the DBs about 10 yards from the line of scrimmage. The windows are very tight. In addition, ponder has not had time to go deep as often as he could.

That said, I do not think he has ever fully recovered from his injury last year. I do not remember him floating the ball like he has this year.

by NoleFanVA on Oct 17, 2010 8:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Just watched the highlights

From the unc game last year. We really miss Rod Owens and Fortson. We miss them a lot.

BTW, at this time last year we were 3-4. That is definite improvement!

by NoleFanVA on Oct 17, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Spot on my Virginia neighbor.

I am not sure he’s fully recovered either. Sometimes he throws it with amazing zip and power like we want to see (a hard slant to Easterling yesterday comes to mind) but he is floating and throwing high quite often. Receivers shouldn’t have to jump high to catch 5 yard routes. And I agree with the receiver comments about us being unable to run too many successful vertical routes. Seems like we threw the intermediate routes (10-25 yards) a lot more effectively last year.
     All that being said, we won, I hope Ponder keeps starting and I hope Jimbo lets them all sleep in this week. They need it.

by DCNole on Oct 17, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes we do miss Owens a lot.

He ran precise routes, and had very reliable hands. CP trusted him a lot as well.

by fsunole23 on Oct 18, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

As for the "Bowden apologists..."

It’s not so much that he is gone, it’s the disrespect. He MADE FSU relevant. We “oldtimers” remember the days of FSWho? He’s gone. It’s over. A new era has started. Quit trashing him and move forward. I have, and I LOVED Coach Bowden. I check into this site quite a bit and I get tired of the Bowden bashing when I’m here for analysis. You accuse the “Bowdenites” of not moving on, but it’s many of you. Can’t you just give it a rest?

by MichelleJD on Oct 17, 2010 9:21 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I could agree with that

I fully supported BB’s removal, but I also understand that we became relevant (and great) under his watch. We MIGHT have gotten someone else in here who could have done that, but he DID it. And, our 14-consecutive Top 5 finishes are unparalleled.

The BB era should have ended a few years earlier, but it has ended and Jimbo has us moving toward the 21st century. We will be great again (and many thanks to the foundation and the tradition BB helped bring so that we can use the word “again”).

Jimbo mentioned in the post-BC interview that we are again bowl eligible, and hold the longest active bowl streak. That speaks highly of both the old and the new guard. I’m all for mending the tear and holding the flaming spear up high in honor of our past AND future.

by Invictus13 on Oct 17, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

If Bobby would have kept his mouth shut, instead of bashing FSU to try and sell him book

we would have all been quiet. He didn’t, he showed his true colors and threw FSU under the bus to try and make a few more bucks.

FSU Football: United We Stand

by stevegrizzle on Oct 18, 2010 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair

His subsequent interviews have had a much better tone. He seemed to backtrack after that one caused a crap-storm. He will still say that he wanted one more year, but he’s not antagonistic about it like he sounded in that one interview around the start of the season.

by Invictus13 on Oct 18, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

burnt

FSU Football: United We Stand

by stevegrizzle on Oct 18, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

house

MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."

by tricknole on Oct 18, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

SOB

FSU Football: United We Stand

by stevegrizzle on Oct 18, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Question

Are Dawsey and Craig in sync with one another?

by Legal_Seminole on Oct 17, 2010 10:18 PM EDT reply actions  

What brings that up?

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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."

by tricknole on Oct 17, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's an analogy question, I'm guessing

Dawsey = Receivers
Craig = Ponder

Ponder is not in sync with receivers, therefore, Craig must not be in sync with Dawsey.

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by CornNole on Oct 18, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I don't really think our passing woes are due to our receivers.

I really think Ponder’s been that bad this year. Jmo.

MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
---------------------------------------------------------
"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."

by tricknole on Oct 18, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure about this specific angle (Craig/Dawsey), but it prompts me to pose this analogy:

Addazio’s promotion: UF’s OL struggles,

Jimbo’s promotion: FSU’s QB struggles

Any merit to this? Undoubtedly, Ponder HAS to be getting less attention from Fisher, who is now managing the entire field.

by arrdub on Oct 18, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

The chemistry of the offense is a little off and I am wondering if Craig and Dawsey are cohesive.

Perhaps Coley as well. It makes no sense why the those two segments have struggle mightily. I wish we can see EJ play to see if the problem is limited to Ponder or is it the entire segment.

by Legal_Seminole on Oct 18, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ponder is hurt and not making simple progressions.

That’s not something a 5th year senior, 3 yeard starter, should have to have hammered into his head every day at practice.

MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
---------------------------------------------------------
"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."

by tricknole on Oct 18, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's facing new wrinkles every week. QB coaches can show them the wrinkles and tell them how to exploit, or what they did wrong.

Or even just reminding him not to fall back into old habits, like staring down his receivers. Craig may or may not be of a high level of quality in this regard; we just don’t know how well he does at on-the-fly dianosis and correction.

5th year QB or not, every QB needs ongoing coaching.

by arrdub on Oct 21, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ponder isn't having the year he did last season

but he is still extremely effecient and very capable of running this offense.

I believe they needed a game like this. I think they were still riding high after thrashing Miami and were beginning to get a little cocky again and needed a smack back into reality and I believe BC gave it to them.

Huge props to the defense. My wife is a Bama and has said time and time again this season how much better our defense is this year compared to last. She said if it were up to her, Bama would borrow our defense the rest of the season. LOL!!

The run game: Why did it take us until the 4th quarter to consistently run the ball. I understand BC was being stingy against the run, but Ponder was having an awful throwing day and the BC secondary was jumping all of the outside routes.

But hey, a win is a win, whether it’s ugly or not. And everybody is right, the last few years, FSU loses this game. Where are all the Jimbo haters at now?? How about the band wagoneers?

On a side note: I’m out of here to go play in the CA desert for a month and then it’s back to Iraq in Jan. Here’s to hoping for the best to the Noles while I’m gone. GO NOLES!!

He bleeds Garnet and Gold, She bleeds Crimson and White. AND THEY BOTH HATE ORANGE! GO NOLES!! ROLL TIDE!!

by gonolesrolltide on Oct 18, 2010 10:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Keep your head down and thanks for your service. Go Noles!

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by FrankDNole on Oct 18, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree a close game like this can help motivate us, similar to the blowout in Norman.

I question how efficient Ponder can be if he’s constantly injured. I also think we didn’t run the ball because we wanted to try and get the passing game going. We wanted to work things out, which didn’t happen due to Ponder’s injury. We ran the ball when we realized that we couldn’t d*ck around anymore. At least that’s what I’m choosing to believe.

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by tricknole on Oct 18, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ponder said himself in the presser that they couldn't get the run game going in the first half (e30somthing yards?)...

They felt they had to pass. I know you mentioned the number of carries, but it was more like when we tried to run on first or second we got behind the chains and just had to keep flining it.

I also take back my comments yesterday that we were side to side too much in the passing game after rewatching the game a couple times that’s what they were giving us most of the time.

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by truecolors on Oct 19, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

We only ran it 8 times.

How can you say we didn’t get it going?
Four yards per carry is not BAD for hardly attempting it.

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by tricknole on Oct 19, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because When you go for no gain on first or second down You have to pass more often.

You can’t just convert 3rd and 8+ on the ground against a team Like BC.

In this case the number of attempts is negligible

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by truecolors on Oct 20, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

But Ponder going 1/3 for 4 yards to start the game didn't deter us from throwing the ball...

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by tricknole on Oct 21, 2010 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

we went into the game treating it like a scrimmage. I thought the game would be nothing but passing since our running game has been working so well. We threw the ball so much because thats what we need to work on. The lack of running wasnt because BC stonewalled us or anything like that.

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by NorFla_Nole on Oct 21, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone got the single rush stats on those 8 carries?

I think a median might be a better guage than average in this case, to see what level of success we were having.

by arrdub on Oct 21, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Were we able to run the ball when we needed to that game?

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by tricknole on Oct 22, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know there's been a lot of back and forth between you and truecolors on this..

And I am not trying to get myself into the broader point, whatever it may have been… I am just saying, we didn’t seem to be having too much success running the ball early against BC. Those numbers back that up.

Also, I’m of the opinion that Viloria + Trickett makes our running game a different animal in 4th quarter as opposed to 1st. I wouldn’t be shocked if we NEVER lose a game that we’re leading in the 4th quarter as long as they’re both around. (Look at the Miami game as an example — don’t know if you buy the notion of them “quitting,” but what I saw was an OL asserting its will on a worn down opponent.) But this is all a tangent, I suppose….

by arrdub on Oct 22, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

8 carries for 28ish yards. One went for 23. Median around 1.

We ran the ball 35ish times in the game I believe. Did we run it well early? No. Did we try to run it? Not really.

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by tricknole on Oct 22, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's conclusive either way with what's been laid out.

You could argue it either way; we couldn’t run so we passed, or we didn’t try to run.

Have to look at it situationally, possession by possession, and since we’re not going to take it that far, I guess we’ll just let it rest.

by arrdub on Oct 22, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cannot believe no-one has pointed it out yet...

Was ponder talking about his elbow during the game or something else at a sorority party?

8. “It swelled up pretty good and it was hurting a little bit, but it wasn’t too bad. I’ll probably get it drained and after that it’ll be fine. What affected me the most was making dumb mental mistakes. I got to thank my teammates. They pulled me out of it.” Christian Ponder

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by SublimiNole on Oct 24, 2010 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

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