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A few thoughts about the forest


In the middle of a football season, it's very, very easy to get caught up in the trees.

How come Ponder's stats are down?

Why can we run some games and not others?

How will we stop Russell Wilson?

Nothing wrong with any of those questions.

But, at roughly the midpoint of the season, it might be a good time to consider where the overall Florida State University football program stands. Here are some key points for your consideration:

Recruiting:  FSU is currently ranked in the Top 10 of the Rivals, Scouts and ESPN recruiting evaluations. This noteworthy in two respects: 1) The Noles have MAJOR recruits still on the board and in play 2) This was a year when FSU was going to have to recruit "big uglys," who usually have lower "star" ratings. Anything in the Top 10 would be a huge victory and Top 5 would be a grand slam.

The defense: One play in the BC game stood out to me --- the Eagles were running a smash route (or at least a version of it). A replay showed L. Joyner following the outside receiver, but then handing him off and peeling off to cover the slot running a flag route. It was a great indication that they are really starting to understand the zone defensive scheme of M. Stoops.

We have all seen the total defense stats that show marked improvement. I'm still not sure if we're as good as the stats show, but I know this: There is no way ALL or even HALF of the possible improvement can be realized in one half of a season. This defense will keep getting better and better.

Organization: I could be way off on this and someone less lazy can probably produce stats, but it sure seems like we have fewer delay of game penalties than we used to and blow fewer timeouts because we aren't organized. We seem to have the right people on the field more often. Our special teams are organized and effective (how about the kickoff coverage team!) Plus, we all know, though Bud's great reporting, that the strength, conditioning and nutrition programs have been upgraded as well as the personal interactions with players vis a vis academics, etc.

The ACC: I don't know about you, but If all of the Top 10 teams played each other 10 times in an (obviously virtual) round-robin, neutral field tournament, I feel pretty strongly about who would emerge as the best team: Alabama.

The Tide's (and every other SEC team's) path to a national title is so very difficult. Yes, SEC teams have won a number of titles in past years, but I think that is an aberration. And it's also because the ACC did not have a dominant team. All things being equal, a dominant ACC team has a much better chance of making it to a title game than a top SEC team, for the simple reason that there is a much higher chance the ACC team can emerge from its conference slate unscathed.

My point is, if FSU can put together an "SEC program in the ACC" as JF is attempting to do, it should position us perfectly to make national title runs in the years to come.


Bottom line:  I still think we lose 1 more game, maybe 2. But even if it's 3 ... this is a program CLEARLY moving in the right direction. I know the BC game was cause for pause, but even if FSU gets to where it wants to be, the days of blowing out every mediocre opponent are probably gone -- too much parity.

This program is obtaining the players, is implementing the schemes, is establishing an organization and has a place in the college football landscape that should translate to success for years to come.

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Display:

Mr favorite teams.

A) Florida State
2) Whoever is playing UF and UM
D) Whoever is playing the leaders in the ACC Atlantic Division
VIII) The rest of the ACC teams when they play OOC teams

>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Oct 18, 2010 10:23 AM EDT reply actions  

I forgot,

拾) Whatever non-SEC team is playing a SEC team

>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Oct 18, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

ni ke yi shuo zhongwen tongxue Frank?

拾 = number 10 or the verb “to pick up”

or maybe my computer is bad…………

Nice!

by LincolnHighNole on Oct 18, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

kwa kee ser pee nee ku

FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.

by ricobert1 on Oct 18, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

correct!

“I DON’T SPEAK JAPANESE!”

by NolenRyan on Oct 18, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

MARTHA CALL THE EMBASSY!

FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.

by ricobert1 on Oct 18, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

nice

I bet there’s only a couple of us that know this reference.

by NolenRyan on Oct 18, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought Burn After Reading at first

but I don’t anyone was named Martha.

That was a weird movie.

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 18, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Numer 10. Anyone who follows the A)2)D) rules to the letter knows the Chinese 10 always follows the Roman numeral 8.

D’oh! ;-)

>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Oct 18, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Dua Bu Qi

I underestimated your Wu Dang sword style. I will not call you tongxue ( classmate/colleague.)

I will now call you Shifu. Thank you Master.

Good stuff Frank.

by LincolnHighNole on Oct 18, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you for explaining

Formosa us who did not understand. I was quite disoriented.

by Nole75 on Oct 18, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

haha

Did you ever even play the game? I guarantee I can coach my Little League team to beat yours 10 times out of 10.

by Caveman Mafia on Oct 19, 2010 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

My only complaint on organization/clock type stuff on Saturday

The challenge of the Rodney Smith non-TD was foolish. It very rarely makes sense in college for the coaches to challenge. Every play is already being reviewed.

When you factor in the ball was on the 13 or so, at the right hash, the right call was, take a delay of game penalty to give the replay official more time to decide if he wanted to review it. In the NFL, it’s different, of course.

But we’re not in the NFL. Take the delay and then, worst case is, the angle just got better for the kicker.

I’ve been very happy with Coach Fisher and the organization, etc. But this is one aspect that I would suggest he take a look at.

by Sobering on Oct 18, 2010 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

That's a really good point on the deley

30 v. 35 yard FG with dustin is very different

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 18, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Err, not very different

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 18, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I haven't watched the replay.

How close was it to being a TD? It looked good in person.

by TriNole83 on Oct 18, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not that close

Especially after a replay. 1 look was all you needed. It was an awful challenge.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Oct 18, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Replay on Sunsports said that Fisher waited on the refs to review it, because the coaches in the boot didn't have a good view.

When the coaches couldn’t give a helpful call on how close it was, Jimbo challenged. As of right now, there are no monitiors in the booth. Coaches were going by the jumbotron (or whaever it’s called now).

by jasonole59 on Oct 18, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

This brings up another question.

I’ve noticed that we don’t show replays much anymore in the stadium, and never show it when the play is being reviewed. Is this a new NCAA policy?

by jasonole59 on Oct 18, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

It a decision on our end

If its a bad call for us, we’ll show it. Against us or close, Not going to help the refs rethink it or a coach to challenge.

by NOLEmercy3 on Oct 18, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Incorrect

Rule is, once the officials decide to review it, it’s against the rules to show it inside.

Thinking is, crowd reaction may effect the judgment of the zebras.

by Sobering on Oct 18, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel like I hear the fans' reactions to bad calls ALL THE TIME when watching other games on tv.

Why are they allowed to show it?

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by tricknole on Oct 18, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

They can show it UNTIL it's announced that it's under review

Once it’s announced, no longer. Think you’re not factoring in how slow the speed of sound actually is ;-)

by Sobering on Oct 18, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Replay showed his foot clearly came down on the line...

Close but once the replay went up it was obvious it was a wasted challenge.

by NoleDBA00 on Oct 18, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

If 8" is close, it was close. lol

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by tricknole on Oct 18, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

He had one foot in bounds

when the ball hit his hands and he pulled it into his chest, then he sorta brought it down to just his hands as his other foot stepped out of bounds

"Kill a fly with an axe"

by SteadfastNole on Oct 18, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Another "gripe" of mine....

We don’t rush to the line and snap the ball on offense when there’s a close play in FSU’s favor. Rush the snap to beat the possible review. I can’t recall when this happened yesterday, but it was when we were driving towards the south end zone.

by The K-Man on Oct 18, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. We need to have a fire call

But the receiver must institute it. It wasn’t on FSU’s sideline so the coaches couldn’t see it. Was on Taiwan (or bert’s) catch going OOB at the 30 or so

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 18, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, that got me a little heated.

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by tricknole on Oct 18, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

ABSOLUTELY

It was a first down. Huge momentum play. You have to hurry and get a play off. Use the rules to your advantage.

by Bokata on Oct 18, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

There will be a new rule in effect next year where they will allow the coaches in the booth to have the TV feed. This will help the coaches decide when to challenge.

However since the teams only get one challenge per game and must have a time out to burn in order to challenge (which is given back if the ruling is reversed), I don’t expect it will have much of an impact on the game. What it will do is give the coaches in the booth a tentative idea of how the replay will be ruled which they can let the coach on the field know so they can be planning for the next play.

>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Oct 18, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

That will be a problem for us.

Anyone notice, for the ENTIRE FSU-UM game, they were zooming in on both Fisher’s and Stoop’s playcalls/signals as they sent them in? Never showed Miami’s sideline in that respect.

by arrdub on Oct 18, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like watching Manny Diaz call defense for Mississippi State.

Dude must be an excellent guitarist, or at least Rock Bander.

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by tricknole on Oct 18, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

"me play gee tar"

I howled everytime he made that call.

by Marmaduke1 on Oct 18, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have noticed this all season

they have gone as far as changing the camera angle when his mouth is covered.

I thought my tin foil hat as too loose, thanks arrdub!

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by stevegrizzle on Oct 18, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Coley should call one of us

We’re all watching and we can tell him whether to challenge or not. In return, he can give me a lifetime supply of Cuban coffee.

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by Jamil Dawson on Oct 18, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

throw in

some Juicy Fruit to sweeten the deal…..DONE.

by LincolnHighNole on Oct 19, 2010 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Challenge

I don’t really think that falls on Jimbo. His personnel in the booth should have reviewed it and then send the message down to the sideline.

by nolzfan06 on Oct 18, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Presently, there is no video in the coaches booth. Read up 2 comments. They can only see the same replay on the giant screen the fans see.

>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Oct 18, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does it really work this way?

So if we get a delay of game penalty, that doesn’t preclude a review in the same way that running a play would? That’s surprising to me.

by csfuu on Oct 18, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with most of this..

although I philosophically disagree about the value of the ACC, but that’s really not relevant.

Maybe it’s just positive spin I’ve been telling myself, but if Ponder was putting up a Herculean season, and we went 10-2, you’d have to be nervous about the immediate future (not to degrade EJ at all).

But ask yourself this, do you have any real reservations about EJ being able to equal Ponder’s output next year? I did when Ponder was playing at a Heisman level, not so much any more. And that’s not a slam on Ponder at all, I think we undervalued last year’s receiving corp a bit, or maybe overestimated how soon these guys would emerge this year. And also, stats wise, we haven’t been in the type of barnburner, “last one with the ball wins” shootouts, thank God.

Running out the clock on our last drive against BC was huge. In the past, and I’m not talking about just last year, I mean for most of recent memory, we would have come out throwing the ball around, trying to put the game away by scoring another touchdown. Because we didn’t have the kind of running game and mental and physical fortitude to close out the clock against a touch defense. But sure enough, we imposed ourselves on a tough defense and killed out the clock. It was beautiful.

I only worry that people adjust expectations too much. Going into the season, I thought 10-2 was an extreme long shot, now it seems almost likely. We need to remember that a lot of our tougher games are ahead of us, and a 9-3 season is still an on-track performance this year.

by LouC on Oct 18, 2010 10:31 AM EDT reply actions  

EJ to Kenny Shaw = best pass all year.

Not the most clutch or important by any stretch, but it was the “prettiest” ball we’ve seen from an FSU qb, in terms of the velocity and accuracy, adjusted for distance.

Has Ponder connected on a pass that went over 30 yards in the air this season???

by arrdub on Oct 18, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Have to disagree

the last TD throw in Miami from Ponder to Smith. Tougher throw and a tougher catch and a much more meaningful play overall. Also EJ’s throw was a complete DUCK that thrown to a great spot, but Ponder’s was very tight.

But I did really like EJ in the times he had [layed. The future is VERY exciting.

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 18, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shoot just today he threw a slant just over the outside of the the LB and just inside the saftey.

HIt the WR in stride…those read/throws are better “passes” than any others.

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by truecolors on Oct 18, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also that touchdown you are reffering to was only 23 yards.

And Ponder’s longest pass (in the air at least) was Ponder to Haulstead at the Virginia game. It was kind of a back-shoulder jump ball that Haulstead brought down for 38 yards.

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 18, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

the EJ TD was also a duck

granted an on-target one, but a Dorsey Wobbler none the less

by DixieNole on Oct 18, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I said that 2 comments up :-)

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 18, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reason I put "prettiest" up there was 'cause of its duckness.

I specified to mean velocity plus accuracy for a downfield throw. Don’t care about spirals so much if it’s on-time and on-place, eh?

And I suspect the 23 yards doesn’t count the 8-9 yards deep in endzone, if we’re going to get technical.

by arrdub on Oct 21, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

im in class

12 minutes ago, prior to the class starting I had to listen to two guys talk about how Ponder is making dumb moves, his injury is an excuse, and we should start EJ because “he always has average games or great games, never bad ones”

I didn’t bother entering the conversation.

I agree with your 1 or two more losses hypothesis. After the Oklahoma game (or maybe it was WF, whenever we found out NCST was pretty good) I was telling my friends that we need to win two out of the three tough games (miami, UNC, and NCst) for us to be in great shape for the ACC title (also accounting for one letdown loss against maryland or BC). Since we beat Miami we can afford to drop one to UNC or NCSt.

Its nice being this good already.

When our program reaches its full potential we should be the perennial favorite in the ACC every year and be a threat every year for a national championship or top 5-top 7 type of seasons.

by B-rod24 on Oct 18, 2010 10:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Why people think EJ was available is unknown to me

Seems to me if he was available Fisher would have gone to him as Ponder was clearly hurting

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 18, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

It is my belief that he was not available

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 18, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

No one has reported him as such...

and though I think it is logical to assume he wasn’t available, solely based upon what transpired Saturday, I find it unusual that this information would not make it out. Fisher and Co. are fairly tight-lipped on injuries, but it’s not as if Manuel doesn’t go to class or talk to friends.

by coonhound on Oct 18, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

If BC knew, would they try to take Ponder out via a cheapshot?

Knowing it would force a freshman Will Secord into the game

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 18, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't know

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 18, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps Fisher wants control over the team

Ponder needs his confidence, Ponder comes through often, let Ponder work things out on his own.

I don’t think EJ was injured. Just don’t want the QB controversy when we’ve built such good will within the program.

Though I don’t remember seeing EJ warm up so…

by B-rod24 on Oct 18, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why do we have such a tough time keeping QBs healthy?

I’ve got my idea. I think we over run them in the single wing stuff. I think overuse is going to hurt Auburn, for example. When they need Newton the most, he’s going to be beat up.

Think beat up QBs start making some bad throws.

I know the advantages of having your QB run, an extra blocker, what have you. But long term, I have to wonder about it personally.

by Sobering on Oct 18, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

no

I think Ponder is just injury prone. Not being negative. Some QB’s just accumulate a lot of injuries like Matt Schaub

by B-rod24 on Oct 18, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

But aren't we saying that something is wrong with EJ as well?

EJ has missed two straight springs. IF we are to be what we think we can be in 11, he can’t miss the next spring!

We all “know” that for whatever reason, Ponder until Saturday has never learned to slide. And maybe that’s just on him.

My point though is, our QBs take some shots by design. It’s one thing when the play breaks down. It’s another when going in, you know he’s going to get hammered.

by Sobering on Oct 18, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm no conspiracy theorist

but, one has to wonder why EJ didn’t get any real reps in the UVA game. We were up big, he was at home, I really thought we’d see more of him then. Maybe there is some injury that nobody knows about…

by dustinetc on Oct 18, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Closed practices...

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 18, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

How often is he asked about the backup QB?

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 18, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's not so much whether they ask him directly or not

but if it’s a noticeable omission.

Further, they do see players leave the practice field.

by coonhound on Oct 18, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

They do

But they don’t see them playing

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 18, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Aren't there snipers for people like that?

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by tricknole on Oct 18, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

How do you think WC gets all of their "inside info"

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by RaysnNoles on Oct 18, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

and don't get run over.

your better shot is to go to the parking garage across “spirit way” with some binoculars.

by stevib on Oct 19, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can't find the quote, so it might have been a TV interview

But Jimbo said something to the effect that he asked CP if he was okay to play and could tell by the look in CP’s eyes that he was. Said he trusted CP very much.

That doesn’t mean EJ wasn’t hurt…just saying that was Jimbo’s reason for not taking him out.

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by Gripper on Oct 18, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or it was coach-speak.

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 18, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree...something, Jimbo is very fluent with.

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by Gripper on Oct 18, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

2. “He was banged and bruised, he didn’t play his normal game, but the kid’s a winner. He’s a champion. I know what’s in his heart and I know what’s in his mind and I looked him in the eye. I don’t ever doubt on him. I don’t. I believe in him and you measure players on their bad days. When you’re able to scrounge around and find a win on your bad day, it says a lot about you” said Coach Jimbo Fisher, who knew about the injury but never wavered in sticking with CP7 throughout the game.

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by FrankDNole on Oct 18, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks...I knew I saw that quote somewhere.

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by Gripper on Oct 18, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I saw Clint throwing on the sideline during the third quarter.

I was thinking is he just too fidgety to stand and watch, or was EJ hurt and Clint a possiblity to enter the game?

by Bokata on Oct 18, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most likely

But when I saw him throwing on the sideline, I was confused and probably putting too much importance on it.

by Bokata on Oct 18, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do we know that?

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by tricknole on Oct 18, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pure speculation...but what about a suspension?

I noticed Greg Dent got some PT Saturday and was wondering why Kenny Shaw didn’t get in before Dent. At the end of the game when the clock was winding down to zero I saw Shaw, Smiley and another player sprint to the lockerroom. All the other players were on the field saying their hellos and congrats. When I was walking to my car 15 min later I saw Smiley and Shaw come out of the side door of Moore and head to BR Hall.
Probably nothing but it was interesting since the rest of the team didn’t come out for another 15 later.

by Marmaduke1 on Oct 18, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is not suspended

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 18, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fisher said that he still had confidence in Ponder after looking at him and that he never doubts on him.

While I understand that Jimbo might just say that if EJ wasn’t available to control flow of information, I don’t think Jimbo would have put EJ in even if EJ was available. From Jimbo’s comments I believe he still had confidence in Ponder.

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by FSUvaFan on Oct 18, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have 4 of them already

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 18, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Couple of things I noticed last game...

1) Reid’s one punt return for -35 yards…smh

2) BC tried to punt the ball quickly as we were rotating men on the field. Coaches did a nice job of getting the correct guys out there before BC punted the ball.

by TCHOP561 on Oct 18, 2010 10:42 AM EDT reply actions  

I believe Reid only lost ~15 yards on the PR.

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by FrankDNole on Oct 18, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can't believe that

It seemed like at least 40 as it was happening. He was completely juking out defenders that were trying to prevent a further loss. Everything seemed like it was happening in slow motion and by the end of the play I heard someone screaming…at it was me.

by TonySopraNOLE on Oct 18, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I look at it as a risk reward situation

Jimbo isn’t going to reign him in and risk losing the creativity he brings to the return game. Just let Reid be Reid. He’ll help us WAY more than he will hurt us!

by randlieb on Oct 18, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

You can't domesticate a Tiger

You’re right, it wasn’t such a gaffe that I don’t want to see him returning kicks anymore.

And now that it’s over, I’m glad he found out that he can’t do that. Imagine if it had worked? Then he’d think he could do that again sometime. If you can’t do that against BC, who is slow, you can’t do it against anybody!

by Sobering on Oct 18, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was one block from going all the way imo.

It’s worth risking 5 yards or so to go all the way. Probably not worth risking 16. That’s what I would have told him.

But, I definitely wouldn’t chew him out.

Another point. We got penalized on punt returns nearly 50% of the time in previous years. You couldn’t even get excited on returns because you were expecting the penalty. This year I only remember 1 or 2. That’s a credit to the coaches.

by gambelero3 on Oct 18, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Coaches did a nice job…

I am still getting used to saying and hearing this.

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by ricobert1 on Oct 18, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I still think the weakness of the offense . . .

is the ability to throw the deep pass. I think when we play UNC and Clemson, we’ll see them stack the box and make Ponder beat them over the top.

by Lawboy on Oct 18, 2010 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Why weren't we throwing to the middle of the field?

Everything was directed toward the sidelines. To their credit, the BC defenders ran these routes very well…

by TonySopraNOLE on Oct 18, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

BC ran a 3-5-3 zone

Ponder can’t throw anything between 10-20 yards downfield because so many ‘backers playing zone. The Smash route worked twice I think, but with a good Safety hawking the middle of the field deep, there just wasn’t a lot of room to throw.

Luckily we don’t play a defense that has such a weird scheme the rest of the year.

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 18, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great defense (if the players fit)

for our type of offense as it fills the so called open zones the receivers are trained to look for and normally find in a 4-3 etc along with many other challenges it gives our O-line, QB and RB’s…

by NoleforLife on Oct 18, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except, they rushed 4 most of the game.

Doesn’t that make coverage more like a traditional 4-3.

by nolesontop on Oct 18, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correct

That makes it difficult for the Oline etc to identify where that rush comes from every play; Confusion based, Making Ponder work (while hurt i may add)…tip of the hat to BC defensive scheme…they always bring it! now maybe they could beat someone for us and help us solidify a spot in the ACCCG…

by NoleforLife on Oct 18, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

They also had extremely late shifts right before nearly every play

Put our blocking scheme all outta whack

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 18, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wilson's 44 points says he doest have this problem

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by harper.rb on Oct 18, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

He didn't have 44 points

he threw 3 TDs and 2 picks. They also threw it 50+ times. And BC had 3 turnovers and gave NC State a short field may time.. FSU had 0 takeaways.

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 18, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

you logic has no effect on me

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by harper.rb on Oct 18, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 18, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

They blocked a punt for a TD and returned an INT for a TD.

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by tricknole on Oct 18, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah I didn’t look up that stats, figure’d after I posted that people would tell me why.

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by harper.rb on Oct 18, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I only know that because I was watching the game.

NC State still moved the ball well. Over 400 yards I believe.

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by tricknole on Oct 18, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh... facepalm

NC State 5.2 per play, FSU 4.8 per play

Looking at points only= not good

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 18, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree’d I’m just feeling cheeky today

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by harper.rb on Oct 18, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's not as much time in the pocket for the deeper routes to really develop either.

Several times toward the end of the game, Ponder wasn’t even waiting for the pocket to develop, he was just rolling straight out of it and waiting for someone to come open or make a play with his legs. I don’t know what happened to our pass protection this year, but its not as good as it has been.

by mhauer on Oct 18, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ponder's Stats

Are Down, because we aren’t in any more shootout games, where we constantly have to play from behind….I will take Wins, and mediocre stats over Losses and Great stats any day

by az5950 on Oct 18, 2010 11:18 AM EDT reply actions  

I will take Wins, and mediocre stats over Losses and Great stats any day

Ponder’s sentiments also…thank goodness.

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by Gripper on Oct 18, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh and don’t forget the improved rushing attack also

by az5950 on Oct 18, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

So do you feel confident that if we HAD to pass to win we could?

It’s one thing not to have to throw. It’s another to not be able to.

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by tricknole on Oct 18, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really think if we HAD to pass to win

we could win it. As long as the receivers are running correct routes, I think Ponder could do it. The guy has a mind of steel and has always put us in the situation to give us a chance to win in every close game since he has been at FSU. I see no reason why he couldn’t at least give us the opportunity to pull it out. Whether we do or not is not 100% on his shoulders, but I think Ponder give’s us the chance at the end with both his arms and his legs.

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 18, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see no reason why he couldn’t at least give us the opportunity to pull it out.

He has the propensity to make poor decisions. Further, his velocity this year is questionable, restricting his ability to keep the secondary honest.

by coonhound on Oct 18, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

10 TD's and 4 INT's (2 were tipped) before playing BC

I don’t see the poor decision-making before the BC game, which Ponder said himself was a bad game mentally. His velocity had been questionable because it seems his right is bruised or swollen every week.

But that doesn’t mean he can’t sling it. I rewatched the first half last night and saw some serious zip on a couple throws (both to Easterling on 3rd downs I believe) when he was rolling to his right.

The second half was not nearly as good, and he did lack velocity, but I say that when the game is on the line he can still sling it.

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 18, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope we don't have to find out

He hasn’t thrown INTs at a Jacorian rate but CP7 has been extremely lucky that a few were dropped.

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by Jamil Dawson on Oct 18, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

And extremely unlucky that a few were not Touchdowns

it goes both ways

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 18, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which ones?

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by tricknole on Oct 18, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

TD that was out of bounds this week comes to mind, Bert Reed a couple times against Virginia

Obviously the bad throws are going to stick out, I’m saying you can’t say Ponder has only been lucky and our guys have caught everything and the D has had cement hands.

They have missed some, but our guys have also missed some.

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 18, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm the first one to say Ponder's had some drops.

I counted 5-7 in the Miami game alone. But he really should have at least 5 more INT. And Reid sure have 3 more INT as well.

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by tricknole on Oct 18, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only if the Defense makes an Interception every opportunity they get which doesn't happen

Reid should definitely have a few, and so should Brandon Jenkins, kids dropped a couple in the breadbasket.

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 18, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Think you have to look at this as something that balances out.

Every defense drops INTs. Every WR corp drops passes. You can speculate about a lucky slate or unlucky slate, but have to assume it’s a marginal consideration relative to the actuality.

by arrdub on Oct 21, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

He has gotten bailed out of a few bad throws by DB drops.

When he does go downfield (which isn’t too far) he’s either underthrown the ball or been late. Typically, he doesn’t throw downfield and his passes are short slants, screens or sideline outs. It becomes noticeable when he throws to the long side of the field. In the BC game the DBs were jumping routes, with no regard for a downfield pass. They knew it wouldn’t hurt them.

I’m not trying to slam him, but he isn’t quite what you make him out to be.

Also:

always put us in the situation to give us a chance to win in every close game since he has been at FSU.

Aren’t we inherently in a position to win if it’s a close game?

by coonhound on Oct 18, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

It seems that thats what he's saying

I don’t understand his thinking which is why we clash so much, plus we’re both a little sarcastic. I’m sure I get on his nerves as much as he does mine lol ;-)

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 18, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love Ponder

By FAR the best we’ve had since Weinke. But, he’s off this year…physical problems aside.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 18, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's been hurt nearly every week

And it hasn’t been ribs like last year, it’s his actually throwing arm.

I could see it affecting his mechanics which, in turn, affects his confidence.

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 18, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

*actual*

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 18, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know but,

I’m having a hard time connecting physical injuries to mental mistakes. Getting healthy will be a big first step. Hopefully the mental part falls into place afterward.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 18, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 18, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is not even up for discussion.

Why? It’s subjective.

by coonhound on Oct 18, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

whatever dude

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 18, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I saw some poor throws before BC but not the poor decision making.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 18, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which game?

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 18, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

That must have been it.

I think there were several options underneath, but he fixed on the receiver from the snap.

by coonhound on Oct 18, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah that was a bad choice. Too risky.

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 18, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is playing far from perfect

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 18, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only "maybe" 3?

Which 3?

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by tricknole on Oct 18, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what really bothers me

Fixing on a receiver. He’s been doing that quite a bit this year. Maybe they’re not helping a ton. But, it’s a hell of a lot easier to cover a receiver if the QB is staring him down. Tends to draw more attention that way.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 18, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

and you would think Jimbo would be calling him out on this. Hopefully he starts trusting his receivers more to be in the right place before he looks.

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 19, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

The whole reason I even thought to question

how much time JF is spending with the QBs is exactly because he hasn’t fixed that yet. That is the precise type of thing that would last a maximum of 1 game last year before he’d fix it. See, it’s all circular, like a merry-go-round. Up and down, round and round. Feel the flow.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 19, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's only Monday and I am already dreading Saturday.

>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
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by FrankDNole on Oct 18, 2010 11:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Bingo.

>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Oct 18, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have seen it at least 7 or eight times.

Its amazing how fast games go by when you have the fast forward button. Probably won’t see FSU play as perfect(minus 90% of the 3rd quarter) the rest of the season.

by Mateo9399 on Oct 19, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks alot Frank...

I hadn’t really thought about that yet.

by jasonole59 on Oct 18, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

My school's football (soccer) team

is out of town this week too. Just have to play good husband or go fishing. Wonder which will win out.

by gambelero3 on Oct 18, 2010 11:49 AM EDT reply actions  

I think EJ is hurt.

He mentioned on Twitter something about trainers.

Shoutout to Zac Adams & @JessAGuth! Always taking care of me, day in and day out! #FSUtrainers

Could be just them taping him up everyday but I dunno.

by Legal_Seminole on Oct 18, 2010 12:22 PM EDT reply actions  

8-4 People....8-4....

is a successful season. That would mean the Process is working. Everything after 8 wins is gravy.

by jvnoledawg on Oct 18, 2010 12:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Not anymore

At this point in the season, I feel most thought we’d be 5-2, and with that record, finishing the season at 8-4 would be a successful season. At this point however, I think losing 3 more games this year would be a big letdown.

by MasterWolf on Oct 18, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

My expectations haven't increased because we're much better

But the schedule has been a little less daunting than expected. BC being down, UF being a little more down, BYU was worse than I expected, Clemson not really putting it all together. UNC could have been scarier without the suspensions/disarray.

NC St. does look tougher, but I was unique in that I always considered them a scary game.

So I think 9-3 is a little bit more appropriate measure now than it was preseason. That said, I won’t be deranged about 8-4. I would still consider that a successful season.

by LouC on Oct 18, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually

North Carolina scares me the most out of our remaining opponents, especially if we play them again

by DeionWarrick on Oct 18, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Finishing 2-3 would not be a good thing.

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by tricknole on Oct 18, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beat uf and any other losses will be forgiven

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by Gripper on Oct 18, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even if we don't win the division?

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by tricknole on Oct 18, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm assuming we'll know FSU fate by Thanksgiving

So if the Noles haven’t won the division, then beating uf will make it all better. I got to tell you, if given the choice between losing two more conf games & beating uf or winning the division & losing to uf…I’ll take the later.

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by Gripper on Oct 19, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

%&*% that

I want to kill the Gators while they are down. I am tired of losing to them. Tired of getting waxed by them. Tired of being out recruited by them. Tired of being outcoached by them. Tired of their stupid @$$ fans. Tired of hearing their stupid @$$ songs. Tired of always seeing their stupid @$$ jerseys on TV. I am sick of everything about them. If I could be given just one more win for the rest of the season, it would be over those stupid effing gaytors. Time to remind them of who they are.

by Mateo9399 on Oct 19, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm with you.

Agree with everything you said.

by Lpfsu511 on Oct 19, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

You know that video with Alabama kid saying he hates Tennessee?

Insert a short pudgy puerto rican and put Florida stuff in for all the Tennessee stuff and boom new youtube video. And no, I don’t like pumpkins.

by Mateo9399 on Oct 19, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Freaking jenkins...I meant to say 'I'll take the former'

actually, I thought I wrote the former where the latter is which is why I said ‘latter’ instead of ‘former’. But of course, I’m not paying attention to my own post, so when I wrote ‘latter’, it should have been ‘former’. Never mind…

I’m with Mateo…after 6 f-ing years, I want to beat the crocks more than any other team.

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by Gripper on Oct 19, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was wondering about that and I was going to disagree, but I don't like confrontations because I need everyone to like me.

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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Oct 20, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

no...delicious, or delectable

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too much?

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by Miaminole on Oct 21, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can't agree

At this rate it’ll be tougher to win the division/conference than beat UF.

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by Jamil Dawson on Oct 18, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your expectations have increased because you have seen what this team is capabale of

You can’t expect them to play at such a high level the entire season. We have played beyond what anyone in the nation thought we were capable of in the first year.

We felt that 8-4 would be a big boost and would show we were on the right track. We assumed we would have trouble in some games and play well in some games. That has not really happened as we have played fairly well in every game but OU.

What it boils down to is that you have to keep the overall perspective. Don’t lose site of the forest for the trees. Use whatever cliche you want but don’t let a couple good games cloud your judgement when we have the real tough games yet to come (UNC, Clemson, NC State, and UF).

At the beginning of the year it was expected we would go 2-2 down this stretch, with Clemson being better and NC State being worse. UNC is a wash because their O is way better and their D is slightly worse. UF still has more talent than us and you can’t assume that the fans won’t get their way. Someone is gonna get the guillotine there and they are going to want to ruin our season.

saying 8-4 is disappointing means your looking only at the results. Look at how much FSU has changed in the last 6 months. We are completely different and the future is very very bright.

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 18, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

The fact remains: The better you play, the higher the expectations.

Expectations HAVE risen. Just ask Bud for his new win shares.

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by tricknole on Oct 18, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't know about this

You can’t expect them to play at such a high level the entire season. We have played beyond what anyone in the nation thought we were capable of in the first year.

The D is currently playing as well as I thought they would by the end of the year. I thought they were capable but didn’t think they would “figure it out” until the other side of the bye week. Not only do I not expect the D to regress barring injuries I think they can be slighty better from this point forward. I also think the O can improve because CP7 has yet to be good IMO. I think he’s been slightly above average but I expect him to play better down the stretch.

I needed 8-4 and I expected 9-3 (my win shares were around 8.5). I won’t be upset if we finish with either; however, 10-2 is possible and perhaps probable at this point.

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by Jamil Dawson on Oct 18, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

insert docholliday2

“I predicted them to go 10-2 at the beginning anyways, so they have meet my expectations.” Just messing with you by the way

by Mateo9399 on Oct 19, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Happy Here

6-1, and I’m happy. Ponder’s been floating the ball for at least a few weeks now. I expected the interceptions to happen against Miami, but it was this week, which is a good thing. He’s a great competitor and leader though. I don’t think anyone is giving credit to BC’s defense, which played great. I think we were outcoached in this one. In watching the replay of the game, I thought the defense looked even better than it did in person though. They did a tremendous job. That Smith challenge is hard to understand as it wasn’t very close, but what’s even harder to understand after reading the posts above – is that the coaches in the booths do not have replay available to advise Jimbo. That’s just unbelievable to me. NC State on a Thursday night will be a challenge. One game at a time!

by Owlguin on Oct 18, 2010 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  

76,000+ for a Noon game vs BC

Way to show up Seminole Nation…looking forward to a cool/cold night game vs UNC, Clem, UF at home…Doak will be rocking!

by NoleforLife on Oct 18, 2010 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

HAVE TO AGREE WITH BUD AND

Legal. With the changes made and the results thus far, JF is obviously no fool. Also obvious is CP7 is not close to where he was last year throwing the ball. The "looking into his eyes thingy is excellent coachspeak, but with CP7 himself saying he had no confidence we would win untill Berts run, I say there is no question SOMETHING must be wrong with E.J.
 If i’m wrong and he is 100%, then PLEASE give him some action and see if he can throw long to give the remainder of our opponets something to look at.
  also, congrats to the players and staff for being where we are right now!
 GO NOLES!

by OLDNOLE60 on Oct 18, 2010 1:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Huh? Where did Ponder say he had zero confidence we would win?

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by tricknole on Oct 18, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I too would like to see that

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 18, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Think it was a mis-interpretation

He said something like “I didn’t give us much chance to win” which I took to mean “[my play] didn’t give us much chance to win”.

by Klak on Oct 18, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm, good call.

Wonder why anybody would think that’s what he meant though.

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by tricknole on Oct 18, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I knew exactly what quote he was talking about because I thought the same when I read it

I had to re-read that part a few times before I made up my mind about what Ponder meant.

by Klak on Oct 18, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I haven’t been to that many games but I thought the crowd was great and there wasn’t many visible empty seats, even on TV – after everyone arrived that is. Why does everyone arrive so late??

by Owlguin on Oct 18, 2010 2:10 PM EDT reply actions  

The delays were something I have never seen before

Not sure if everyone was running late and all tried to get in at the same time but it was crazy.

by TriNole83 on Oct 18, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could see that.

We walked in the stadium about 40 minutes prior to kickoff and had to wait nearly 10 minutes to get in. I could only imagine what it was like down there 10 minutes to kickoff.

by Lpfsu511 on Oct 18, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

IT WAS DELAYS AT THE GATE

We stood at gate K for half an hour. I think part of the problem is people going in the wrong gate.

by jskipnole on Oct 18, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Went in through the UCC...no problem whatsoever.

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by Gripper on Oct 18, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

well obviously

rich people dont wait in line…….and get to drink

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by stevegrizzle on Oct 18, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wish I was "rich"...us out-of-towners don't pay much to be members.

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by Gripper on Oct 19, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you're going in Gate K

Why not go to M?

It’s always a lot shorter.

by nbj08 on Oct 18, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I tried to get in 20 mins before kickoff.

Masses of crowds everywhere and nothing was moving at all. There had to have been at least 10,000 people stuck outside just looking to file in. I wonder if they had problems with the ticket scanners.
I’m sure part of it is that the fan base isn’t used to the realities of a crowded stadium and having to come early to get their seat anymore, but something else was definitely wrong. I was at Gate K (on the east side), and nothing moved at all for about 30 minutes, then it started flowing again and I got into the stadium in less than 5 minutes.

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by Dogrel on Oct 18, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not being there, but having been to lots of recent games

I’d presume it was the combination of noon game and a little bigger crowd than our previous games. I bet almost nobody wanted to be inside before 11:30 (when half the student section was still asleep anyway).

A breakdown in the ticket scanner network could also be a really easy way to back up the lines… I’ve wondered what kind of money that stadiums/arenas (not just at FSU) have to put in those things to keep them secure, stable, and efficient.

by stevib on Oct 19, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll take it!

6-1 and the L is at the hands of a ranked opponent. A few observations from Saturday.
1. We CAN make in-game defensive adjustments. Stoops is really showing his worth.

2. Other than tackling/hitting w/ helmet penalties, our team is playing very disciplined ball, even in a dogfight like SAT.
(2 penalties vs. BC), BTW, those hits helped us win against UM.

3. JF knows what he is doing and I sleep better knowing that he is in charge of the “process”

by JMac2474 on Oct 18, 2010 2:30 PM EDT reply actions  

That one loss

Came to the #1 team in the BCS rankings.

by NC Nole on Oct 18, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would've been closer if we played the next day.

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by tricknole on Oct 18, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm not sure about that.

It was too early for our D to face the no-huddle. And, as BC showed, a good D can give our O problems.

by Invictus13 on Oct 18, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it would've been a much prettier loss.

Still a 2 touchdown loss though.

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by tricknole on Oct 19, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not so sure OU really has that good a Defense

Caught our offense at a weird time too. Not just the D. The whole team really. Still pissed that JF’s first D1 competition was pretty much a can’t win game. Oh well, a lot of good came out of it I guess.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 19, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

So far everything Jimbo's done is gold

As crazy as it sounds I’m actually starting to forget how bad it was the last few years were (won’t ever completely forget though). It’s no longer even worth comparing this staff to the last…there is no comparison.

I am curious as to how much time JF is spending with the QBs now. And if D. Craig is up to the standard that JF set for QB coaching. Just a thought, but I wonder if Ponder may be suffering, in addition to injuries, from lack of QT with JF.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 18, 2010 3:06 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I think Jimbo spends a LOT of time with QB's

and Craig is there more to learn on the fly (new D1 QB coach while Fisher is very seasoned) and to be a great recruiter.

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 18, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Be interesting to find out how much JF

is actually coaching QBs now. I suspect he still does quite a bit, but hard to say from the outside, trying to look in.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 18, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see it as very unlikely

that he recruit guys that he wants (EJ) and then allows someone else to coach them the majority of the time. He has been a quarterbacks coach (and a very successful one) since 1991 and I don’t think he hands the reigns to someone who was previously a Wide Receivers coach at UAB.

 Not saying Craig isn’t qualified but when you have someone with 20 years experience doing the same thing, you have to think Jimbo wants full control of that aspect. And do remember Craig is our recruiting coordinator, so he has plenty to do other than coach QB’s as well.

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 18, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never thought about this before.

There very well could be something with EJ. Hopefully nothing serious though.

by fsunole23 on Oct 18, 2010 6:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Well

On the ESPNU piece it showed CJF talking to Manuel and asking him what was wrong. I know it was like three weeks ago, but maybe there is something wrong.

by Mateo9399 on Oct 19, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds overly contrite

but bad teams lose when they play badly; good teams win.

FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.

by ricobert1 on Oct 19, 2010 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

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