Florida State's Win Over Boston College Is Most Impressive Win Yet Under Jimbo Fisher
In my opinion, while the win over Boston College didn't exactly play out as scripted, it was a win, and a win is a win is a win. So I'm going to share my belief that the win over Boston College last Saturday was the most impressive win of this season, so far.
What, you say? What about the beat down and humiliation of Miami last week on the road?
Unlike the Miami game where the Noles were firing on all cylinders for most of the game, this was a poor performance by FSU against BC when they repeatedly shot themselves in the foot. This was a down-to-the-wire, grind-it-out battle that was in doubt until late in the fourth quarter, for the first time in Fisher's short tenure. This was a game in which FSU was minus 4 in turnovers, and 3 of those turnovers resulted in 13 of BC's 19 points (one of the interceptions resulted in a pick six, another interception in our red zone resulted in a field goal, and a fumble which also lead to FG). This was a game that was, according to Fisher, Ryan McMahon's and Andrew Datko's worst game of the season, and a game in which the receivers were running the wrong routes, and from what I could tell, in many cases they were running them lazily and half-assed.
And yet this was a game where the Seminole players never quit and one that the players never doubted they would win, and they did.
As was posted in the Top Quotes After the Game Story, Jimbo Fisher, as well as many of the veteran players, acknowledged that this was a game they would have found a way to lose in the past.
That is why, in my opinion, this hard fought game is the most impressive of the 6 wins this season, so far, and for the first time since 2005 the Noles have managed to string together 5 consecutive wins.
On Monday, Jimbo Fisher echoed some of those same sentiments as the guest speaker at the Monday Morning Quarterback Club in Birmingham, when he said he was prouder of the win over Boston College than the dominating performance the week earlier in South Florida against the Hurricanes.
"When it wasn't our day," he said, "the players could have felt sorry for themselves, but they figured out a way to win. To me, that's a positive sign. Now, we've got to get the problems fixed, but you have to win those games to have great seasons. I don't want us to think we've arrived or we're the best. You gotta remember why you had success."
On several occasions in the past, Fisher has said that you never really know how good you are until you play a bad game. The Noles played a bad game against Oklahoma and were badly beaten, but they did not stop playing until the final gun. FSU again played a bad game on Saturday against Boston College, but this time they won. This time they took over with just over 8 minutes to go and proceeded to run the ball, something they hadn't been able to do all game, down the Eagles throat, until the clock hit double zeroes. This time they did not play to not lose, but played to win.
I really liked what I saw from the Noles on Saturday and that is why I feel this was the most impressive win so far this season, including the total thrashing of the hated Canes. So from my perspective, I can see signs of progress and improvements all across the board, and I am optimistic about the rest of the season as well as the direction we are headed in the for the immediate future.
Please feel free to share any thoughts and opinions you may have on this subject.
On a side note, the team was off on Sunday and Monday. They will spend today through Thursday working on trying to eliminate the mistakes that have been driving the coaching staff crazy, then take Friday off.
"We're really battered right now," Jimbo Fisher said. "We're banged and bruised pretty good. We've had a couple big games emotionally. I think we need to get our feet back on the ground and get our bearings, and decide what we're going to do."
On Saturday the team will start their normal Monday schedule in preparation for the Thursday game at NCST. If they manage to pull out another win on the road, it will go a long way towards helping FSU lock up the Atlantic Division, with the opportunity to battle Coastal Division champion for the ACC Championship in December.
Lastly, despite the less than impressive showing by Christian Ponder against Boston College last Saturday, he still managed to move into 4th place in the FSU record books, in career total offense, passing former Heisman winner Charlie Ward on that list.
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Giving my usual pessimism a rest
This is the toughest FSU team, mentally and physically, I’ve seen in a long, long time. I was particularly impressed after Bert scored. Defense shut em down. Offense pounded the LOS, kept moving the chains, kept the ball away from them, ran out the clock. That is a sign of an elite team in the making.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 19, 2010 7:23 PM EDT reply actions
Agree completely. When we were firing on all cylinders in the Miami game, the team fed off its own success to achieve victory.
The BC game could have quickly turned into a mental defeat, which would have led to an on-the-field defeat. However, with a new coaching staff comes a new attitude and outlook.
We may not be able to get the “w” all of the time but I think we are better positioned to learn from mistakes and move on to the next game. Of course, having coaches who work together as a team rather than arguing among themselves probably doesn’t hurt.
by crozetseminoles on Oct 19, 2010 7:28 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Kudos to the coaches too
I think a lot of our success in the BC game has to be attributed to the coaches as well. I don’t think they would have let the players lay down even if it seemed like things were headed that way.
Saw Peter Warrick play once. The rest is history...
Miaminole, fixed and thanks, appreciated.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
I still think our win over Miami was better and more impressive
but this was a good win, and one we probably would not of had in the past. I like the direction we are headed and I like to see that we have started to play with an attitude and swagger like back in the 90’s. Just got to keep putting it together every week and move forward. Go Noles!
Don't get me wrong, I throughly enjoyed, and will continue to enjoy until next year, the win over UM. That was a thing of beauty and a classic, but.....
I’m sure you get my point.
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Miami was the better win to show our new strength
The Boston College was the better win to show how we overcome our old weakness.
by CCDFSU07 on Oct 19, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 12 recs
Rec'd
Dammit this is what i was trying to say
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Oct 20, 2010 7:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
FREEDOM!!!!!!!
sorry, got caught up.
by David Rohe on Oct 20, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I might have to us this as a new sig line
Rec’in
FEAR THE SPEAR!!!!!!!!!
"Winning when playing poorly is the kiss of the death." - Nick Saban
I get what you are saying
I just think that while this won showed that we can win when the chips are down and we play like dirt, the UM win was us playing good and “clicking on all cylinders.” I understand what you mean though how we kept playing with the attitude that we were going to win, despite playing crappy. Like you said though, a W is a W, is a W.
by MontyTheGreat on Oct 19, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I know the game was ugly, and I had to listen to it on the radio on Saturday afternoon, so I didn’t get a real look at the game until Sunday night. Honestly, I didn’t think it was nearly as bad as the score or the turnovers indicated. Our defense has been lights out since Sept 11. I know Miami put some yards up against us, but they are a big play offense, so they are going to get some big plays, but we severely limited them to just a couple meaningless big plays that never put us in doubt of the win.
But against BC, almost everyone thought there would be a let down, and there was. This is not speculative bashing of the old system, but it’s not that we wouldn’t have lost this game last year, WE DID… against usf. It was the same game, off of a big win where the offense put up big numbers, we came home and the offense wasn’t clicking at all… and we couldn’t put a win together.
The offense did last weekend though, do what it had to do when it was now or never, and score to go up, and not give the ball back for 8 MINUTES, huge, impressive and very important.
Let down games are a part of college football because the big games mean so much. This isn’t the NFL where if you lose 6 games you get into the playoffs. One game can change a season, so when you get a game like we had against miami, complacency can set in, and a team can feel like if we can thrash miami, we’ll make it to the ACCCG. Wheels fall off, you lose composure, coaches begin taking risks (fake usc), and you let a win slip away after a season changing win.
BC win was more important to show where we are and more impressive as a fan who knows the struggles that we still have to overcome, um win was more impressive from the outside… but we are not on the outside.
"But against BC, almost everyone thought there would be a let down, and there was."
I actually agree with almost everything you said here … which is why the above quote stood out.
I was personally surprised by the number of folks that – both prognasticators and “regular” folk that not only were convinced that FSU would win handily … but also believed that we would cover the 22 point spread.
In hindsight, based on our body of work, that may have been understandable. We had dominated every inferior opponent on our slate – and even dominated the one group that appeared to be on all fours with us on talent (Miami). We were destroyed by an outstanding OU team (one, I do recognize, has had at least 2 “BC-type” games already this year in Utah State, Cincy, and maybe Air Force). Made it easy to begin to believe that FSU would continue to destroy sub-par competition. Since BC was sub-par competition, and FSU had not had a lapse against sub-par competition to date, pull out the script and dominate.
That obviously did not happen.
Takeaway is that Jimbo Fisher is not an aberration of motivation. In the college game, emotions matter. Teams can not bring their “A” game every game. Hopefully they bring it when they need it (we obviously failed to do that against OU) – and bring it to the degree necessary for sub-par competition to comfortably prevail.
FSU, however, will not be immune – as no team is – from the proverbial let down games.
While the Miami win was more "wow" impressive, and more important
I agree that getting this win was perhaps more impressive because FSU has dominated teams in the past decade but it has not shown the consistency and mental toughness, as you mentioned.
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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Interesting that you say the UM win was more important
I thought your stance was that games against Atlantic rivals were more important than our two rivalry games. When you win the big rivalry game, and you see the shockwaves it sends through recruiting, it reminds you of how big the rivalry games are.
with BC having 2 losses, it became less important
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 20, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll go the other
complete opposite direction because that is what I’m good at.
This was a bad game. Either the team is too banged up to compete at top level and/or the FSU offense just got exposed. Be it the coaching, Oline, Ponder, or whomever. I said earlier this year that the offensive problems would manifest against good defenses and that was especially true against BC.
Was Miami the aberration? Or should we expect OU and BC type numbers when facing other good defenses. Perhaps BC is just a taste of whats to come. The road doesn’t get much easier now. FSU’s most difficult stretch of the schedule is yet to come. Will we look back on the BC win as a tough, hard fought, learning experience that makes the team they have to bring their A game each week? Or will we look back on it as a sign of an offense on the precipice of disaster.
The last eight years of FSU football has conditioned me to think disaster. Especially going back and looking at the collapse in 2005 after FSU strung all those wins together. Time, the cliche says, will tell. Thursday is back on the road for the Noles. Will a healed up FSU team come out and dominate like it has in some games this year, or will a struggling offense again have to lean on a much improved defense?
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Man, even I took a break from pessimism on this one
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 19, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha,
mostly wrote that just to be argumentative and provide a different view. Didn’t want everyone taking a picnic in the daisy field with Frank without a healthy dose of criticism being thrown in.
FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.
by onebarrelrum on Oct 19, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions


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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
by FrankDNole on Oct 19, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd for the dog pissing on Onebarrel's No picnic sign. lol
Would be a nice motto/theme for the team “No Picnics. We’re bringing the Whole Kitchen”
FEAR THE SPEAR!!!!!!!!!
"Winning when playing poorly is the kiss of the death." - Nick Saban
I rec you
but also, just to be mean, Fisher does know this is Datko’s what? 4th game of the season? 3rd against D1 opponents? Maybe he was awesome against OU…
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 19, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
If you want your dose of pessimism ...
Re-read the gametime threads from BC.
The doom & gloom, and how quickly and persistently it came, was very sobering.
To clarify ...
The BC v. FSU gametime threads on Tomahawknation.
It was the MeltDown thread in the making.
FEAR THE SPEAR!!!!!!!!!
"Winning when playing poorly is the kiss of the death." - Nick Saban
I unfortunately was at work (ie no beer)...
and remember posting at least twice for everyone to calm down and step back from the cliff. Lack of alcohol…it does funny things.
Well I like to believe
that you are wrong about disaster. I don’t expect us to win out from here on out, well the logical side of me doesn’t. But the Nole in me believes we are going to win out and everything is turned around, even if it has only been 7 games, I just want to believe. I think we will crush NC State and we will look back on the BC game as the anomaly of the year, I can hope.
by MontyTheGreat on Oct 19, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing wrong with hoping for the best.
I want FSU to crush NC State too. So does my blood pressure.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 19, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Receiver running the wrong routes (and half-assed) seems to be a recurring theme each week.
Who do we hold responsible, the players, coaches?
They had improved against Miami
Last year they ran them well, particularly Owens and them. I expect it to improve next year and maybe some as the season presses on.
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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Is this on Dawsey?
I have a hard time blaming the players, and since I have been watching FSU football in 2005 we have had one group(last years) that ran good routes.
Lead us in a few words of a silent prayer-Bill Peterson
by PalmAireNole on Oct 20, 2010 7:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I saw Smith on one route, look like he wasn't running full speed and then Ponder threw it to Easterling. I think it was a roll out pass on 3rd down.
Smith missed a couple of blocks too. On Reed’s TD run he didn’t do a good job of blocking, and that’s what made the play so close at the goal line.
FEAR THE SPEAR!!!!!!!!!
"Winning when playing poorly is the kiss of the death." - Nick Saban
Kind a with you on that one.....
I get the fact that it takes time to learn routes & what it takes to win, but I’m sorta confused on why, 7 games into the season, some guys are running half asses routes. Could be they are hesitant because they are unsure of what they are really supposed to be doing and I really don’t like the sound of that because it means either the guys aren’t catching on to the process, the coach is just not able to impart the information or a combination of the two.
OLine half-assed run blocked
RBs half-assed run blocked and they didn’t hit the hole hard every time.
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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Have to remember.....
When you are trying to change a mindset you’re going to have points of regression. The whole one step forward two back. Coaches can only do so much and then the owness is on the players to continue to push themselves and try to do things right on the field. When things go bad sometimes players resort to what they know of old and not new. This game def. showed that the players are willing to fight through the old and continue to push themselves with the new things they are learning. I say this is a sign of more then just coaching, it’s the sign of players growing up and maturing in front of our eyes. I would not say it’s coaches not being able to impart information or guys not catching on to the process. I will say it’s more of players still growing and maturing as a player. One can have all the skill in the world and know everything but if they do not have the maturity to display it on the field then it results in negative performances.
More than likely,
After destroying da U and then watching film, players thought they could sleepwalk their way to Blowout City.
I’m personally against noon games, if we struggle to get out of bed at 10-11 imagine what the players feel like getting up at 6-7.
by FSUActuary on Oct 20, 2010 12:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I had to rec that because noon games kill me
I was in Vegas this past weekend and after partying till 5am at XS had to wake up at 9am and drag myself out of bed to go watch the BC game at the Mirage Sportsbook. I felt like crap for the rest of the day.
"When in doubt - SPEAR IT"
Coach Coley
Critical moment
Great analysis, Frank D. I think Noles will look back on the BC win and the OU loss (Nice fans up there BTW) as both critical to the development of these kids. Both were reality checks w/ the BC win showing this REALLY is a different team in terms of attitude and perserverance. We may not win every game, but I feel good about what the staff and players are doing to be prepared for them and the momentum changes that occur.
Stay classy, Tallahassee!
I liked seeing Dent out there especially when he threw a guy down and moved the chains.
I agree with you completely. I took more away positive in this win than Miami. I have never seen Miami flatter against FSU and I have seen a few games. New the team would be beat up a little and they were. I saw it in the loss to OU and I still believe it. This team has “Fight” in em and it shows. If they take on the demeanor of their head coach I see this team accepting challenges and succeeding even after a loss. I just think back to OU and watching Nick Moody lay that kid out and thinking to myself, that wasn’t a dirty hit or anything, this team is still playing hard. Go Noles!
Back in the days of FSU dominance,
my wife would say," we just have to play our game ". She was right, and now I find myself thinking that we are climbing back to that level. We’re not gonna win them all, but we could.
BC is terrible.....no reason for that game to have even been competitive
I do think it is good that we will practice focused and come out hungry vs NC State, similar to what Oklahoma did to us after their Utah State debacle.
WAR PAINT OF TN
they are good, but nothing special in my opinion
That was the biggest stinker we’ve laid on offense since USF. In fact, it was probably worse.
I understand the tough it out, a win is a win sentiment – but it’s really dissapointing to watch Ponder’s regression. He was so damn good last year. Just go back and watch the UNC, GT, BYU,Miami, and Nc State film from last year. He was incredibly good. I think Ponder and TJ Yates are having a Travolta/Nic Cage moment.
WAR PAINT OF TN
by Zach_Nole on Oct 19, 2010 10:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yates to Ponder: "What a predicament!"
by The K-Man on Oct 19, 2010 11:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ponder hasn't looked as impressive, true
but how much of that is an extremely impressive run game? We don’t need CP7 to sling it as much. Nor are we having to score as many times as possible in a game because of a terrible defense.
I too find myself playing the “what could have been” game if Ponder put up the kind of numbers he put up last year. But look where that got us. In the end, a win’s a win. Doesn’t really matter the margin. In fact, I could probably only tell you the score of 1 FSU win from the 99 season. But I do know this, we were 12-0. And that’s all that matters.
Beg to differ. Hard to complain at 6-1, but we'll drop a game if we repeat Saturday....repeatedly.
Football is a game of bounces and momentum swings. If you let feisty teams hang around and hang around like BC did, eventually a bounce goes against you. Bert Reed fumbles a reverse. Taiwan gets called for a deflating holding penalty on that play. Put inferior teams away or you WILL get bit.
In reference to 1999, we were incredibly lucky not to lose at Clempson. I’m almost convinced Tommy threw the game to help Papa Bowden stay on top. (Did Bobby return the favor later and save Tommy’s job temporarily? Hmmmm).
I’ve never seen a team (Clempson) decide to punt on 4th and short near midfield so much. The younger Bowden’s decision making was so conservative that The Bucs’ Tony Dungy was probably blushing at the time.
I’m griping about our 6-1 team. I’m aware how dumb that is. But we have to put people away.
man I remember that clemson game
I couldn’t believe they didn’t go for it at mid field, it was crazy.
by MontyTheGreat on Oct 20, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Also
What if Chris Hope doesn’t make the tackle to prevent Clemson from gaining that critical first down late in the game? I remember him making a tremendous stop to force them into either a 3rd or 4th down that was never converted.
I also remember almost every person in the stands holding up Dillard’s bags. What a wild game.
Every team has up and down games
This was a classic letdown situation. We fought through it and won on a day when the A game wasn’t there.
>>---l>
Few things about BC and this game
BC’s rushing defense was #5 in the country, LB #40 leads the nation in tackles, 3rd best total D in ACC. Mix that with the fact it was Parents weekend in Tally (lots of pats on the back and lack of focus), a noon game while coming off a huge win on the road vs UM and a WR core that has not stepped up as needed to support Ponder and our running game…this was screaming let down and 3-5-3 is tough to work against with the right players. We won our let down game…I’ll take it, there should not be another on the schedule.
by NoleforLife on Oct 20, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice post Frank
I’m pretty worried about four of our last five games, but not about our direction. And I love that zen feeling that kicks in while I’m watching the games, knowing that even if we lose it won’t be because of incompetent coaching.
If our offense came around to where we all thought they would be this year though, we would be downright scary. Imagine if we could combine some of Ponder’s best performances from last year with the running game we saw in the Miami game and the defense we’ve been seeing since the Oklahoma game.
Many many good points
and I agree that we needed this type of game to learn how to grind out a win, happens to everyone. My only concern is this: WHY were the receivers and line being lazy? Did the coaches do everything they could to make sure they take every team seriously?
The answer to that may be yes they did, kids will be kids and not always listen. But I think it’s worth asking.
Whole team lacking mental focus= letdown game
You can only get that jacked a few times per year
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 20, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
No senior receiver leadership.
No senior receivers. Reed and Easterling are juniors. (Right?) Easterling played baseball in the Spring. Next year with one more year in the new regime we will have more experience and more of the peer pressure to run good routes and block down field that comes with it, (although the receiver down field blockling already looks pretty good IMO).
we need a big guy to through the ball downfield to
and more than two guys who consistintly run the correct routes – notice how Ponder doesn’t through the ball on time/early this year – he waits for the receiver to break first – NO TRUST
My thoughts exactly.
Instead of throwing it to the spot where the receiver is supposed to be, he is waiting for the receiver to get there and then throwing. He is not leading the receivers in many cases the way he should because he does not have confidence they will be there, IMO.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
IMO the BC win was impressive b/c
it was more important to our goal of winning the Atlantic… Most probably know that FSU has never been able to beat BC—again, a crucial game for winning our Division—in Doak since BC joined the ACC. IMO this is the most important aspect of the win.
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
by TLHWG on Oct 20, 2010 8:08 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
REC. Absolutely.
IMO the BC win was impressive b/c
it was more important to our goal of winning the Atlantic
This is one point I failed to mention in my op. piece. Also, if everyone thinks back to two months ago, this was a game that many had predicted we would lose. Of course winning percentages change as the season progresses, but not many thought FSU would win this game in the preseason wins-share predictions, before BC started stinking up the conference.
But more importantly, as you said, it solidifies our chances of winning the Atlantic.
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Not sure
The UM win was bigger on the national stage, and BC doesn’t seem to be much of a threat to win the div. A loss to UM in most years would be less detrimental, but probably not this year. Given the advantages of pounding a well-watched UM game vs. a stinker in a less-watched BC game, I’m glad the scores turned out the way they did.
Although, as Jimbo said, the BC game was huge in showing that we are learning to deal with success. I hope our guys learned that we can’t win big games and then take a game off.
Coaches love this type of game (if they escape with a win)
Helps get the players’ attention in practice. The game was ugly, the win was not. A victory with four turnovers is a beautiful thing! The best part was running the ball in the fourth quarter – that was stout!
Florida State 45 Miami 17
Not impressed
We needed to execute a trick play in the 4th Qtr to come from behind to beat a 2-4 BC team. Spiked kool-aid?
by nole country for old men on Oct 20, 2010 8:48 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
This isn't just directed at you nole country, but since when is a reverse a trick play?
I’ve heard that mentioned several times since the game. I realize the definition of a trick play is very fluid, but to me a reverse does not qualify.
And plus that's a play we've been known to run several times throughout the year
It’s not like it’s completely unexpected. It was just called at the right time.
And GT is a one trick pony.
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
We had 4 turnovers (including a pick 6) and won.
BC had NO offensive touchdowns, and we nearly doubled the amount of 1st downs they had. I think our offense played poorly, but overall I don’t think the game was a close as the score indicated. Even if we sucked it up without the turnovers the game is 24-6 ( i know it’s not good to speculate like this, but…)
I agree. WIthout the pick 6
It would have been 24 – 12 and that doesn’t seem close at all. It would have just looked like a defensive game that we doubled up on them.
class of 99
could take it a step further
if reid catches the ball that hit him in the hands, he likely scores and it’s 21-6 instead of 14-9. effectively, game over early in the 3rd.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 22, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Let me clarify
After Bert was blown up the play before the reverse (which is a completely legitimate staple of our offense), how did you feel about our chances of driving the ball in for a TD? If you felt awesome about it, fine. I’m just saying it wasn’t inevitable that we were going to win this game—the game was very much in doubt late in the 4th Qtr. So again I’ll say it: not impressed. Thankful for the win? Yes
by nole country for old men on Oct 20, 2010 12:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I felt really confident
At no point was I ever worried that we would lose.
But I was not impressed with FSU on either side, and was impressed with BC’s D
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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wow i never thought about that
last year this BC game would have seemed like certain death, but this year its different. i was never worried about losing, i knew we would stick it out.
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by NorFla_Nole on Oct 22, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Obviously, it's way to early to say what this game represents
It either exposed some real problems we have and signalled the start of a swoon. Or it is just one of those off games EVERY team has in a great season (at least in a major conference). See Alabama against Tennessee last year.
All we can do right now is apply the old eye test. And what it most looked like to me, and apparently most on here, is “type of game we would have lost in recent years.”
However, I would not be at all shocked if we were in for a letdown. Looking at the combined records of the teams we have beaten on this streak is a bit sobering. The most consoling thing is that until this weekend we didn’t have to claw and scrape against any of them. I keep telling my self if we can win going away against bad teams, maybe we can win close against good teams.
Be interesting to reevaluate the BC game at the end of the season.
If Ponder stops at 2 turnovers instead of 4
we are not having this discussion and hand ringing at all – The D holds BC to 265 yards at about 10 points and The O gets over 350 yards and scores about 30. The team’s performance was not as bad as everyone is making out.
Completly agree...as bad as Ponder was with late throws, and floaters...the D was equally dominant.
BC scored 13 points as a direct result of Offensive F ups by Ponder. Take away one of those and this game is not that close.
Even with them, this game was almost over by one of Rodneys Smith’s toes being over the line. 6 less inches and that TD puts BC away.
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by BigSpearDiplomacy on Oct 20, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Um bama lost to USC? Teams have let down games. It is why college football is the #1 sport.
It happens so often it’s like watching nascar. I mean wasn’t stanford a 41 point dog to USC two years ago? To believe that your team will never have a let down or never lose to someone they should not is just unrealistic. The great teams lose less often, and that is true but it happens a lot. I mean unranked ole miss beats #1 UF at the swamp….This team is good and they fight like they are great. I like the chemistry this season. I do wish we had better WR. That is really holding Ponder back this season. We really miss Owens probably the most.
I know if's are frowned upon, but we really didn't play that badly...
Ponder had a horrible game and it almost cost us a W. He admitted that. But if you take away just 3 of the four turnovers (which I know are part of the game), and FSU scores just ONE more touchdown (they probably score more than that), FSU wins the game 31-6 and we are not having this discussion. The offense didn’t really even have that bad of a game, Ponder did. And it’s hard for an entire offense to click when the QB is off (he fumbled on a fake hand off!). I was impressed the way the defense and special teams played, and not disappointed in the offense as a whole, just Ponder.
FSU had 4.6 yards per play against BC
7.6 against UM. I think something like 6.1 possibly better before garbage time. Outside of the turnovers, FSU offense got owned by BC. It was a bad game.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 20, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Line and receivers and backs did too
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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