Taking Stock of NC State.
by Bud Elliott on Oct 26, 2010 9:00 AM EDT
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PrintFlorida State takes on North Carolina state this Thursday night on ESPN. NC State sits at 5-2 on the season. Let's have a look at how the pack has played in its games to date. I'll have my thoughts on where I feel NC State is later in the week, but it is interesting to watch the 'Pack's progression. I have re-published the reactions I had to each game at the time it was played. Hopefully this will give you a better feel for how the team has progressed.
All game charts are non-garbage time only.
I will not address the UCF game because NC State was missing some key players who were out with injury. NC State won an ugly game that featured a 14-yard punt.
BackingThePack has a nice recap. Sloppy game but NC State has some talent and isn't wildly injured like it was last season. Out-gaining Cinci by 61% is quite impressive.
- NC State has been an incredibly tough team to judge because of ridiculous injury luck over the past two seasons. That said, they are playing pretty well right now and out-gained GTech by almost 20% per play in Atlanta. Russel Wilson had passes of 20+ yards to nine different receivers. Coming into the year I pegged NC STate as a 6-6 team (3-5 ACC), writing:
NC State: It's likely State fans will look back on this era and wonder what could have been. What if the Wolfpack didn't suffer more injuries than any program in the country? Injuries have really hurt this program in recent years. The offense should again be potent with Wilson and a lot of talent at receiver. If the offensive line can just be average the pack might be able to run the ball to take pressure off him. The defense, however, has major questions and was downright awful last season. The depth along the defensive line is good, but it lacks proven players. The linebackers aren't a terrible group, but how much Nate Irving will contribute is unknown. The secondary is a mess and will likely be the Achilles heel of this team.
NC State had so many unknowns coming into the year because of the new faces, JUCO transfers, and injuries.
- What we know: NC State has lit up two bad defenses in GTech and Cincinnati and looked awful at a decent defense in UCF. Still, this is unquestionably a good offense and it has some very nice skill guys. The offensive line is holding up and they even have a running game! The defensive line is deep and working well as a unit without any superstars. Linebacker Nate Irving has come back and looks almost like he did when he would have been an early-round choice after 2008 (Irving had the car crash in 2009).
- Still waiting: The secondary has faced two awful and one below average passing teams in Georgia Tech, UCF, and Cincinnati. This is a major issue for the 'Pack and the schedule has helped NCST so far in this regard. Can Ponder pick these guys apart again?
- NC State takes on Virginia Tech this weekend. A Hokie win would help VT's hopes for the Coastal Division, which is good for FSU because FSU matches up better with VT than it does Miami (thinking potential ACCCG here).
"NC State > GT +17.4. EqPts: NC St 35.5, GT 20.1. T/O Pts: NC St +2.0. We loved Russell Wilson in the preseason...and love him more now. DOMINANCE"
Welcome back, 2009 NC State defense! Virginia Tech out-gained a very good Wolfpack offense by 16%, racking up 300 yards rushing in non-garbage time. Field position edge also to VT. State got exposed on defense and now must try to shore that up. Luckily for them, BC's putrid offense is up next.
Virginia Tech 41, NC State 30 - Backing The Pack
A big second half propels Virginia Tech to victory. Good read here.
Virginia Tech 41, NC State 30: Postgame Stream of Consciousness - Gobbler Country
Virginia Tech spotted NC State 17 points before coming back to stay undefeated in ACC play. Good thoughts here.
Out-gaining BC by 63% per play is a dominant effort. BC's offense is pretty much a joke at this point and it is really, really poorly coached. On the flip side, BC is still playing very good defense. 5.2 per play on the road to a very good NC State offense is a very nice game.
Here's grades from BTP. ATLEagle has his viewing report. Big stuff there.
"NC State > Boston College +11.2. EqPts: NC St 23.3, BC 13.8. T/O Pts: NC St +1.7. Could've been much closer...BC's stumbling over selves. "
NC State wasn't unlucky in losing this game. The 'Pack deserved to lose. Each team had 4 turnovers, but ECU out-gained NC State by 12%. ECU has a nice little offense, but NC State's defense is not very good.
Backing The Pack - For N.C. State Wolfpack Fans
Sweet Jesus I'm starting to feel like throwing cuddly, precious bunnies out of a window again. Saturday was death by a thousand tiny cuts, the cuts in this case being all of those quick throws to the perimeter by East Carolina. My comment: NC State is struggling with quick throws to the perimeter? Ponder likes.
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Gotta say I like that last part about quick throws to the Perimeter.
If we can get Ponder going on the quick throws and the running game is doing great… then that would open up the chance to take shots downfield.
Any more thoughts on the O-line, besides they are holding up? Or are you saving that for later in the week?
I keep thinking this is true, but in watching games despite the fact that we use so many reciever screens and short passes.
teams seem unwilling to give us the deep ball. Even when we’re running plus 200yds they just don’t seem to want to get burned.
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Never been a big fan of the WR screens/bubbles
I know it’s somewhat of a JF staple and can be very effective at times. I just prefer a passing game that uses the middle of the field (10-20 yrd range). A consistent TE threat and a Fortson-like WR make that more of a possibility.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 26, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
If O'Leary comes in we are immediately a completely different passing team.
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 26, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
You deserve a rec for that. Especially after the USC-NFL episode:)
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 26, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
LOL
thx
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 26, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
pssshhh everyone knows FSU doesnt have a TE
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by NorFla_Nole on Oct 26, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe my short term memory is fading
Can you please refer me to a game this year in which a TE has been a factor against our defense?
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 27, 2010 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually, we do.
Reliford has been playing pretty good ball, for the most part, this year. His blocking has been excellent at times and good the rest. Running pretty good routes too, and catching the few balls thrown his way. But, for O’Leary’s sake, I’d really like to keep that rumor going.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 27, 2010 7:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I have. That's why I asked for reference to THIS YEAR for examples:)
“Maybe my short term memory is fading Can you please refer me to a game this year in which a TE has been a factor against our defense?”
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 27, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Reliford running good routes?
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 27, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I said pretty good, meaning better than before.
I take it you disagree.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 27, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
improved sure
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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How come we don't have better TE play
Our OC was the TE coach, and Jimbo has had several years to implement and coach that position…just seems like after 3 years of Jimbo and Coley we should be better off.
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by PalmAireNole on Oct 27, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
That quick wr screen/bubble CRAP is all over college football now.
And it’s awful, awful football.
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I don't understand the hate for this play.
Its just a read used to keep the defense honest.
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There are worse atrocities
Jump pass
Fake FG overhead pitch
Play Action Shotgun w/ no back (aka Tebowdeke)
If something works, and is effective, why stop running it?
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by CornNole on Oct 26, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why the hate?
It’s an extremely valuable play. It makes the DBs and safeties stay honest and opens up the vertical passing game. I like it especially with our WRs because they tend to be a little big bigger and can make better blocks, and it’s an easy throw for a QB to make.
I think the problem with it this year has been our WRs not blocking as well at the point of attack.
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Bingo. This was one of Forston strong point, holding the block so the bubble receiver can catch it cleanly and take off unimpeded.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
more like dog whipping the reciever on the Bubble and pushing him into the stands! :-)
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Does NC State run a hurry up offense?
I ask because their total number of offensive plays seems very high every week. Perhaps it’s a result of throwing a ton and slowing the game clock with incompletions and first downs.
good question
Amongst teams that have played 7 games, NC State is 3rd in the country in pass attempts (only Texas Tech and ECU have more in 7 games).
Likewise, they are 4th nationally in pass attempts/game, behind only TT, ECU, and Hawaii.
I guess the ECU/NCSU game number of plays makes sense in that context, when 2 of the 4 most pass oriented teams got together, they ran almost 180 plays combined.
What about avg. plays a game for FSU last year?
Definiitely think the no defense, good passing offense approach accelerates # of plays/game.
This question may be better answered by simply watching all the film
Unless there is a website that has TOP by drive…
You could look at the play-by-plays and look at the TOP per drive
for example, http://espn.go.com/ncf/playbyplay?gameId=302890052&period=0
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I wish I had that much free time
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/playbyplay?gameId=302890151
check out the NC State drive @ 3:49 of the first quarter:
6 plays 15 yards- no time off the clock (not sure how this is possible)
1st and 10 at NCST 5 Russell Wilson sideline pass incomplete to Dean Haynes. 0 14
2nd and 10 at NCST 5 Russell Wilson pass complete to Dean Haynes for 4 yards to the NCSt 9, tackled by Dustin Lineback.
3rd and 6 at NCST 9 Russell Wilson rush for 7 yards to the NCSt 16, tackled by A.J. Johnson for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at NCST 16 Russell Wilson pass incomplete, hurried by Lamar McLendon.
2nd and 10 at NCST 16 Dean Haynes rush over left guard for 4 yards to the NCSt 20, tackled by Derrell Johnson and Melvin Patterson.
3rd and 6 at NCST 20 EAST CAROLINA penalty 0 yard pass interference off-setting accepted, NC STATE penalty 0 yard holding off-setting, NO PLAY. accepted, no play.
3rd and 6 at NCST 20 Russell Wilson sideline pass incomplete to N/A.
4th and 6 at NCST 20 Andy Leffler punt for 37 yards, returned by Dwayne Harris, tackled by Andy Leffler out-of-bounds.
The "Ponder likes." is pretty funny.
You can bet your butts we worked on blocking and setting up the screen. We have had WRs miss blocks on those lately. With their secondary vulnerable, I’m very curious to how we are going to attack that. Probably, a heavy dose of run to start the game and some nasty play action fake by Ponder.
I agree, Tim, I really hope the O-line is feeling good and healthy. I
The Wolfpack have not been kind to FSU in Thursday night games.
How much of their success would you attribute to the prior (lack of) coaching staff and Amato being a former Wolfpack coach?
Do you see repeat performance of those games under this new coaching staff or are those things of the past?
do know what our record is against NC St on thursdays? i know we beat them in '08
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by NorFla_Nole on Oct 26, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I think that was more of a "Phillip Rivers" problem for us than a Thursday problem
by BossNole on Oct 26, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that would be vs Rivers?
no?
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by NorFla_Nole on Oct 26, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
so according to that logic, everything last year was a problem for us?
i buy it
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by NorFla_Nole on Oct 26, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We lost to them in 2006 on a Thursday night. A pretty typical Lost Decade game. They had Daniel Evans at QB and I’m not sure he won any other games during his entire career.
ESPN kept defending Jeff Bowden, but when they would show “Jeff” in the press box it was actually Darryl Dickey with a “Jeff Bowden – Offensive Coordinator” graphic on the screen.
Boy do I remember that game
SMH….I think I broke the record for the amount of foul language I used that night…
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I too remember FSU's "High School" Offense
I’m even shuddering in horror less at the thought of it, too. The therapy must be working.
I’ll give him this: Jeff Bowden’s play calling was undoubtedly offensive.
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How could you forget that game? I mean, we had a kick ass band reppin' us there. None other than the NCCU eagles.
Was there watching the beat down in person. Only thing that made it tolerable was the amusement i received from watching NCCU’s dancers do their own rendition of our chop. Was freakin’ hilarious.
I was at that game
I put that loss squarely on the defense. Yes, the JB led offense wasn’t spectacular it scored enough points to win. It wasn’t Jeff Bowden’s fault that the defense couldn’t defend the jump balls that the Evans kept completing.
Bobby told them to do that.
He didn’t want a sniper to take his son out, so he used a decoy(Dickey).
by NoleySmokes on Oct 26, 2010 5:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The key to this game
will be containing Wilson in the pocket..and forcing him to be accurate within our zone coverage…the Pack has a bad habit of throwing ‘jump balls’ to those tall receivers…i.e. the first play of the game against VT that went for thirty yards…the freshman running back(Greene) runs hard but I don’t think their running game will pose many problems…just limit Wilson extending the plays..
On offense…we can run the ball on them….and we should….but as mentioned above…bubble screens will work(when we block effectively) and can serve as positive gains on first down if we want. Those to facets combined will hopefully open up the deep ball against a suspect secondary that we haven’t been able to connect on all year.
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We need to be able to establish the run. Had BC had a pulse on offense last weekend, we might have lost that game. If we come out flat and not able to establish the run, NC St. will make us pay.
They are the type of team that can win games through the air. Wilson and his receivers are that good. On defense , like you said Kelvin, we need to contain Wilson and force him to throw from the pocket. This does not guarantee success though. Our DBs will need to blanket the receivers long enough to give our DL time to make the sack. Easier said than done though when the QB can scramble and pull plays out of you know where.
Yeah I don't think the key to the game has anything to do with NCState either...we need to dominate possetion and score on their miserable Defense.
OUr D is at worst a solid one, and probably a very good one. They should be able to get enough stops. Only question is how our offense plays.
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I could see Field Position playing a huge role in this game
With Hopkins, Reid, and Powell we may force NCState to march >70 yrds every drive. I could see us holding them to ~24 points if our Sp. Teams have a good night.
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 26, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Good point. Special teams will be a key factor in this game.
If we give them the short field, all it takes is one Russel Wilson scramble or lob to one of their three big WRs and they are already in scoring position. We cannot allow that. Wilson thrives off the big play. Stoops seems adept at forcing teams to throw short, under control throws. The result has been very good for the Noles. As long as we can establish pressure, Wilson will throw a costly pick or two. I am sure of it.
I love that we sound like an Alabama team right now
Win the battle of field position, play good defense, and RUN THE BALL DOWN THEIR THROATS.
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 26, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Some other things to note
Among its 22 starters on offense or defense, N.C. State has eight sophomores and two freshmen. Hopefully Ponder can expose their inexperience on defense.
After three interception-free games to start the season, Wilson has thrown nine interceptions in the past four games
This is a BAD matchup for them... their Offense is good, but VERY eratic and
not really as good as some think on the ground. Our stop the run and make you be patient Defense is really going to force them to do something they don’t do very well. Also we’re very good in the Red Zone because of this.
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We've got to actually CATCH the balls that should be intercepted for that to help us.
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by O-Town Nole on Oct 26, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Need Harris out there. Guy hasn't dropped an interception yet!
by TCHOP561 on Oct 26, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I will rec this
I think Harris needs to be on the field more. I love GR5 and Rhodes but Harris makes plays happen every game. He’s even got 2 or 3 Forced Fumbles this year, he is a turnover forcing machine.
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Well, with NC St. tall, physical receivers Rhodes will be a key player on defense with his physicality and height.
But we need Harris out there somewhere. I wonder why we don’t see more of him. Is he not getting the defense or just buried on the depth chart behind better players?
I'm officially taking our special teams for granted the rest of the year. needs no mention! :-)
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I see 13 turnovers
in the 5 games profiled above…our D coaches should be drooling over the chance to take the ball away!
I do see our secondary hawking some passes this thursday as NCST gets frustrated with the lack of running opportunity and then Wilson starts trying to force the ball. This is the test Stoops has been training his secondary for and we will see what Reid and Co. can do. WR brackets…
Need to see more from our WR’s…we will be faced with winning a game on Ponder’s arm soon!
Our defense needs to learn how to make catches first. I can't count how many time we dropped interceptions.
So frustrating!
Yeah I was gonna say if "hawking" = tipping passes and swatting thm away, but no actual INT's
I’m sure we’ll have plenty of that!
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 26, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Which would you rather have?
Players in position to get their hands on the ball like this year…or players watching the ball get thrown over their head and have no chance at it like last year? Of course its a rhetorical question, but the point is that look at how far we’ve already come to now complaining we wish our defense not only smothered teams but hit them in the jugular with tons of turnovers.
I'm expecting the turnovers will start coming any game now
They’ve been getting more comfortable every week in the scheme, more throws are contested each week and the big hits are a regular. If you build this defense…the turnovers will come.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 26, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
True
Process. . . If they keep putting themselves in the right position eventually their hands will stick to some.
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 26, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
He's dropped two this year, but I hope he gets one soon
I shudder to think we have him for 2 more years!!!
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 26, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Both of his drops
could ahve been pick 6’s. With his vision and return ability he’s always a threat to take one to the house.
by FEARTHESPEAR! on Oct 26, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I look at it like this,
some of the mistakes QB’s could be making against FSU D is turning into sacks. Instead of throwing under duress and floating passes they are eating big losses in sack yardage. If there was a statistic I wouldn’t mind trading for INT’s it would be sacks. Hopefully Russell decides to go Bret Favre on us, trusts his arm too much under pressure, and FSU comes away with some pics. Or, we just sack him a bunch. Either way, the D is doing their job.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 26, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
He is throwing a lot more picks this year.
Hmmm.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 26, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Proof in the pudding with Jacory Harris.
Only sacked 8 times, loves to take his chances downfield rather than on his back.
Very true.
FSU had chances at a couple pics that were missed. He was also content with throwing the ball 10 yards out of bounds, 10 feet over receivers heads, when he was under pressure.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 26, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Rec
Good call OBR
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by The Ryno and I Know on Oct 26, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I read it again and liked it even more this time.
Go green.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 26, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure if this is the residue of the old regime still clinging to my psyche....
but I can’t help shake the feeling that this game will not be a win. I think I need some time with the mental conditioning guys to learn how to “win” as a fan again.
by diablonole on Oct 26, 2010 10:33 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Thursday Night road games are never easy
Things never always go according to plan. This is where I think FSU will excel. . . Their ability to adapt to whatever situation presents itself. We will be ready.
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 26, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
They stink if you have to play on a short week.
Otherwise, there is no meaningful difference between Thursday night games and Saturday night games. It is in our physche because we lost to Virgina in 1995 on a Thursday night and that monsoon game in Louisville on the Thursday night made it clear that the Dynasty was over.
by nolesontop on Oct 26, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed. I've liked the way they've been set up this year and last.
As long as we continue scheduling them after a bye, I don’t have a problem with Thursday night games.
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by O-Town Nole on Oct 26, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I like this Thursday night game for us
We have extra time to prepare/heal and then we have extra time before our next game as well. I also think that Jimbo has pushed the reset button on our program and we should not associate this years team with what we saw over the last few years. I like our chances for this game.
I see our new zone scheme shutting down the deep pass threat. Hopefully the LBs are freed up to contain RW’s scrambling ability.
The tough part about a Thursday night road game is the lack of prep time
The bye makes up for that.
by CelticPride on Oct 26, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Backing the Pack
says that NCSU took the week off last week, while we practiced? Could they have possibly taken the week off before? That doesn’t sound right.
Took mon.,tuesday, wednesday off last week.
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by sonofagunn on Oct 26, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I know a guy you can call who lives in a van down by the river.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
by FrankDNole on Oct 27, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
And without him
Davie Spade is just…David Spade.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 27, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
FSU YPP against NCSU:
’07 – 6.0 (5.3 season average) 13% above season average
’08 – 4.9 (5.5 season average) 11% below season average
’09 – 7.6 (6.4 season average) 19% above season average
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
FSU defensive YPP against NCSU:
’07 – 4.1 (5.1 season average) 20% below season average
’08 – 7.2 (4.8 season average) 50% above season average
’09 – 7.8 (6.7 season average) 16% above season average
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
Outgains vs Outgained
’07 – 6.0 to 4.1 – FSU outgains NCSU by 46%
’08 – 4.9 to 7.2 – FSU outgained by 47%
’09 – 7.6 to 7.8 – FSU outgained by 3%
How in the heck did we win that ’08 game??
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 26, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
yup
for Gano, in a 26 to 17 game. Kicks of 37, 37, 44, and 53.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 26, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
And 3rd down
NCST – 1/9
FSU – 10/17
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 26, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
keep away killed NCSU rthym
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 26, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
NCSU
Has no chance in this game, they will be blown out worse than Miami
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by DocHoliday2 on Oct 26, 2010 11:44 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
There he is.
"Some people call it swagger, we call it preparation." - Vic Viloria
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 26, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he has gotten more and more "amazing" as the year has progressed.
I kinda enjoy the craziness.
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Me too. In fact, I'll rec it for euphoric insanity.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 26, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah if we win out, he may spontaneously combust.
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Doc,
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
I remember the past 2 years Owen Spencer getting free from our secondary.
Hopefully our new scheme will contain him.
Hopefully the training staff will contain him
after numerous poundings from our DBs/LBs. Not wishing anything serious, just really enjoyed UM’s high quality skill guys lose all skill after a few rounds with our boys.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 26, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I live in Raleigh and have some local perspective on this game
Apparently, NC State is practicing a ton with a new 3-3-5 formation with multiple blitz packages and disguise coverages. They are doing this because they think they can confuse Ponder and force some turnovers.
I personally think this will back-fire on them, as Trickett and Jimbo are intricately familiar with the 3-3-5 stack scheme and understand that running inside zone, outside zone, and power will kill this look.
Also, NC State’s corners may be the worst in the ACC, so I think the 3-5-5 is designed to hide them a bit.
We can run for 300 yards if NC State really comes out with this defensive look.
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that would be indescribably dumb
DB is state’s worst spot and they are adding even more of them to the lineup while removing talented linebackers
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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Plus beg us to run the ball right down their throat and kill the clock on the road.
Please run 3-3-5 stack. signed seminole nation.
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I didn't believe it when I heard it, but it is being reported by a local Pack radio guy Mark Thomas
Who played TE for State and is well connected to the program. Apparently Tenuda is very involved in the scheming for this game.
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They had success with ECU once they switched to the 3-3-5 after going down early:
“The best explanation is that the no-huddle offense of East Carolina (4-2) knocked N.C. State off its feet early in the game. Dominique Davis completed his first 14 passes for 109 yards and two touchdowns to stake the Pirates out to a 21-0 lead.
N.C. State’s defense switched from a 4-3 front to a 3-3-5 look to combat the Pirates’ short-passing attack, and the Wolfpack crept back into the game. Wilson, who passed for 322 yards but threw three interceptions, helped N.C. State close to within 24-21 by halftime."
Read more: http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/10/16/743828/ecu-prevails-over-nc-state-in.html#ixzz13UFjUkjp
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Apparantly Tenuda is worried about our short passing attack
And isn’t convince his base defense can stop it.
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but FSU can run...
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Ist this a trap? Something feels wrong... nobody's that stupid are they?
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by ricobert1 on Oct 26, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Rec'd this is obviously a NCstate and local media hatched plan to throw us off our game.
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I'm going to start posting pictures of the ole miss black bear
Able Ackbar
in response to its a trap references.
#aheadofthecurve
What does Ole Miss have to do with this?
by paperjames on Oct 26, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx0pTIDb-r0&feature=player_embedded
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I beg to differ
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I picture Tenuda in the Master control room of a spaceship that's crash landing.
He’s just franticly hitting buttons and hoping something works.
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He's contemplating the property sale loan papers stuck in his shorts.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 27, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
WOW
looks like NC State has had a problem with recruiting interior guys. They have 13 D ends on their roster and only 6, 6! DTs.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 26, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe that is why they think
the stack would be a better option…no idea. Just found those numbers curious.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 26, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
We have only 6 healthy DTs on our roster
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Sure but they are quality contributors.
They only have 6 listed total. Maybe NC State doesn’t list them but at least FSU has some big non scholarship guys to bang against during practice.
FSU Has
Dawkins (thumb but will play I imagine)
Erving
Cummings
McAllister
McCloud
McDaniel
But there are a host of other big guys that get knocked around in practice. I would imagine having 6 kids limits what you can do for preparation.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 26, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Well 4 are and 2 are redshirting
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Erving is a solid contributor.
Hey, those opponents aren’t gonna shove themselves.
by The K-Man on Oct 26, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
HA.
Yes, his ‘quality’ is graded by a completely different measure.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 27, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
well played
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I know a pimp when I see one...
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 26, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I love Killin' Them Softly
How many times must I smack you before you act right. *Smack*One, *Smack*Two, Two smacks, ha,ha,ha,ha,ha
by Nole Holds Barred on Oct 26, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Yessir
haha, one of the best.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 26, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
not only can fsu run
but stack defense makes it easy to combo block and get into the second level, imo.
It would be like an early christmas present...Wow ACCCG just what I wanted
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Watch Trickett in the ESPN feature they did on us recently
He says something like: “We do what [to this front]?…We annihilate this front.” – in reference to the 3-man front WF employed
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
start @ 9 seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb8_PATObNE&feature=related
and look at how we run v. 3-3 stack.
agreed
Agility is the best part of our blocking scheme. Go ahead and play in space – we’ll take that, too.
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
E.J. helped the woman on the sideline up after he plowed her over too
unlike Will Hill who blasted a guy in a wheelchair over on the sideline against Kentucky and then just stood over and looked at him and walked away. UFelons.
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by terpyturtles on Oct 26, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Keep on forgetting about how good
EJ is. 2011 Nat’l Championship here we come.
by RoyalOaksNole on Oct 26, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I think 2012 is more likely
but 2011 would be cool too.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 26, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
installing a brand new defensive scheme
but skipping practice from Sun-Wed last week?
Well played TOB.
I appears that NCST will have trouble against Hudson Defenses
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
3-3-5
is this the D front BC used against us, I thought someone they used the 3-3-5?
I believe BC used a 3-5-3
Which is much different. 5 linebackers instead of 3 is a lot better at stopping the run for obvious reasons
Or I should say
an extra linebacker and a SS moving up
It worked against us because their linebackers are very good tacklers.
We just could not break those first touches they way we have against everyone else thise year. I doubt NC State will tackle that well and therefore it does not matter how they align.
Against GT, their DTs lived in the GT backfield. Stopped the option before it could get past the Guard.
They had no fear (no should they) of Nesbitt passing the ball. I figured they would use a similar gameplan and make Ponder show his arm is healthy.
I think Ponder will oblige them
But only after the requisite 200-plus-yard 1st half effort by our running game against the 3-3-5 forces them to adjust back to a more standard scheme.
Ponder should be fine. Burst bursa sac is very minor.
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by truecolors on Oct 27, 2010 12:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sp above
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by truecolors on Oct 27, 2010 12:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They'll stack the box and make Ponder win the game with his oft-injured, seldom-healed arm.
I just have a feeling Jimbo is putting too much trust in Ponder these days.
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your point?
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by PeachTreeNole on Oct 27, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I was simply saying there is a posibility they go 3-3-5. In which case they would be very suseptible to the run.
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Oh, thought I'd overlooked something.
Yeah, 3-3-5 is something we’d all to see.
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by PeachTreeNole on Oct 27, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
3-3-5
State fan here. We’ve been running the stack at various times all season long. It’s been very effective in pass defense.
I doubt you’ll see State open in that D or use it as the “base” D against FSU.
Our strength-Running
The “stack” is probably not going to be the primary weapon against a running attack. If Ponder continues to throw those soft, floating bubble screens, then the stack will eat it up-interceptions will mount.
None of the interceptions were on bubble screens
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 27, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Ponder has thrown a few close ones though.
The stack won’t be their base defense. The Wolfpack aren’t going to overhaul their defense for this game. Most teams stick to what they know and what they do good.
I don't think they do much good on defense. perhaps their desperite? but I agree they'd be insane to run 3-3-5 on 1st, or 2nd & 3rd n short.
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