Tomahawk Notes 10.27.10: Beware Weeknight Games
by Bud Elliott on Oct 27, 2010 10:21 AM EDT
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PrintNot much out of yesterday's practice report. Here's the injury/ suspension report as I see it. Starters in bold, key backups in italics).
RB: Tavares Pressley (knee- career over)
WR: Jarmon Fortson (kicked off team- fall camp)
OL: David Spurlock (concussion), Blake Snider (lower leg), AJ Ganguzza (back)
DT: Moses McCray (ACL done for year), Cam Erving (back)
LB: Nigel Carr (kicked off team- fall camp)
Three of those guys have been done for the entire year. I continue to list them because they were on the early release of the fall roster and Phil Steele counts them as players missing. The only new addition is David Spurlock, who could be done for the year with his concussion issues. 2nd-year guard Bryan Stork will take his place. Stork is a high motor player who shouldn't represent an enormous dropoff from a healthy Spurlock. Heck, he might even be better than the concussed and confused Spurlock we've seen over the past few weeks.
Here's a look at all of the week-day road favorites of less than a touchdown so far this season. Take from this what you will, but the big wins have come by
Auburn -1 @ Mississippi State- struggle all game but Auburn pulled it out by 3.
Cal -2.5 @ Nevada... Nevada beats Cal by three touchdowns.
Miami -4 @ Pittsburgh... Miami wins by 28
BYU -4 @ Utah State... Utah State wins by 15.
UConn -4.5 @ Rutgers... Rutgers wins 27-24
Kansas State -3 @ Kansas... Kansas State wins by 52
Cinci -2.5 @ Louisville... Cinci wins 35-27
One commonality I have picked up on during my years of watching college football is that the home team in these weeknight contests has a greater ability to pick up crowd momentum than it would in a normal game. Maybe it is the crowd knowing class is cancelled the next day. I don't really know.
Speaking of craziness on a Thursday night, does anyone remember Tom O'Brien's ridiculous decision to PUNT from Florida State's 33-yard line two years ago? What an incredible gift. It doesn't matter if it is 4th & 20 (was 4th and 13), a punt in that situation is just horribly miscalculated and shows a great lack of understanding of the point value of field position relative to a specific spot.
Also, does anyone remember how UNC inexplicably stopped running the ball last season? The Tar Heels were running for 7 yards a carry and they elect to start chucking it around the yard, allowing for an FSU comeback.
FSU hopes its consecutive Thursday night streak of opposing coaches making dumb decisions reaches three.
Recent Thursday Night History Kind To The Noles : ScalpEm.com
Bill breaks down FSU's recent Thursday-night history
An Interview With Andrew Carter Of The Orlando Sentinel " Riddick & Reynolds
Andrew Carter is an NC State grad so this was quite good.
Eagle in Atlanta -- atleagle.com: Where to begin with HD's defense of Spaz?
Bill really rips HD's article. I think Heather has covered the ACC pretty well this year, but I agree this article was not well researched. We all do it sometimes.
Five Good Minutes: Clemson Preview With Shakin The Southland - BC Interruption
A preview of this weekend's game between the Boston College Eagles and the Clemson Tigers with Shakin The Southland. Very informative of both sides.
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The more I read about Thursday the more nervous I become
by CrimiNOLElawyer on Oct 27, 2010 10:27 AM EDT reply actions
I think FSU will win
but probably not an easy win. Only favored by 3.5 is scary.
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 27, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Tomorrow
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 27, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Will that include your standard break down?
With keys, matchups, etc.?
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 27, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 27, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably my favorite stuff from TN.
:-)
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 27, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Sandbagging
I still think Fisher holds back A LOT against the lesser teams.
I know that process is the focus, but I would really LOVE to see some results against UM and UF.
by SoCalNole on Oct 27, 2010 2:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree to some extent
But the game was very close in the second half and the team was actually behind in the fourth quarter. I dont think Fisher was holding a ton back against BC.
by Mr. Tito Carlos on Oct 27, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
We definitely held back in the first half before driving 96 yards for a TD before the half ended.
In the 2nd half I think we tried to open it up some but Ponder shat the bed.
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We should probably consider the probability
that Spurlock’s college career could be over. This is, what, concussion #3?
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
I think he is done for the year...at least
he needs to rest, and treat the symptoms. I read that in MMA, anyone with a diagnosed concussion is barred from from fighting for 6 months…and can not even train for min 30 days after diagnosed…no physical activity at all.
if Spurlock is is still showing signs of being concussed, for health reasons he should be shut down.
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by BigSpearDiplomacy on Oct 27, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I feel like just about every MMA fight would result in a concussion..no?
by Gulfport Nole on Oct 27, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
You get hit in the head much less in MMA than in Boxing
Statistics have shown there is less of a chance of injury while competing in MMA than there is in Football, baseball, basketball, boxing, even women’s soccer. You must remember with MMA it is 2 trained athletes who really know how to attack and defend. You don’t see a lot of point blank kill shots in MMA like you do in boxing or football, except in the amateur fights. Fighters just know how to defend and not get put into those types of positions.
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 27, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
you can't punch as hard either
the small gloves make hand and thumb injuries much more common. So the force to the head is less.
And they don't weigh 14 oz.!!!
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 27, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
No, why
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 27, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm surprised by the 3.5 spread
was it greater before the BC game?
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
No
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 27, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Oddsmakers want people to take NC State at +3.5
I think FSU will have their heads screwed on straight this week. That was a letdown game after Miami.
I think we'll have some success running the ball against them
Smoked them for 8.4 last year. VT got them for about 8 YPC this year.
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VT had 2 long scrambles, one a 75 yarder
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 27, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
fair enough, but take away
the 71 and 54 yarders and they still averaged 5.5 YPC
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I would be thrilled if Ponder lights them up
But every bit as satisfied if he throws less than 20 times.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 27, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey Bud, Havent seen your picks against the spreads for the last couple of weeks.
Clemson -7 @ BC & Maryland -5.5 vs. Wake Forest. Thoughts?
Like Maryland
BC is banged up but do you trust Clemson
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 27, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
How about Miami -14 @ Virginia?
Trust Miami D to stop Virginia O but that Miami O is unpredictable (their performance against Duke still fresh in my mind!)
I am not laying that
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 27, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I will be in Vegas tomorrow for our game and all weekend any lines I should look at closely?
I think we will cover so I may put on a good amount on us. I just think Jimbo will be able to explain how important this game is to the players and we will come out with a great effort & focus, hopefully something like @ UM. I usually never bet on the Noles but I feel this opportunity is golden.
by NationWideNole on Oct 27, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I really like Southern Miss -10 against UAB
UAB coming off an emotional loss and I think S. Miss will put up 35+ on them.
WAR PAINT OF TN
Miami game
Is a good comparison IMO. Fisher and the team seem to really know when to step it up. Another point to take note of is how our new d makes teams be patient while our safetys just go out there and chop some wood. There was a reason that UM receivers were dropping everything in the second half and I wouldn’t be surprised if the the same thing happened tomorrow.
I know that process is the focus, but I would really LOVE to see some results against UM and UF.
by SoCalNole on Oct 27, 2010 2:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
KP is not that good without a Spring practice, apparently
but I think CU as the defense and run game (a la Miami) to be a major pain for people – that is, if their coaches wise up.
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
i love the clemson -7 line personally
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by Zach_Nole on Oct 27, 2010 11:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Got to Think
that alot of our good fortune with injuries this year is tied to S&N Program. I know we’ve worked thru a few, such as Datko, but the attention to that area of the athletic program is certainly paying dividends.
I disagree
Bama has the best in the country and they are very banged up this year.
I think people are way too quick to credit S&C with fewer injuries. Just me though.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 27, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
*sigh*
Seriously, all he had to do was say “I’m the next starting QB-I don’t need to out-lift the whole team.”
But nooooooo……he had to be the team champion in squats too….
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"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Heh?
He tore his ACL during the Garnet and Gold game back in 1998 via a hit from Bradley Jennings.
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
And then celebrated by blowing his face up with a Drano bomb a couple of months later.
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Just Thinking
that if the players are in better shape that even when they get dinged it takes less time to heal and that without the benefits of a great S&C Program players are more susceptible to injuries. Sorta like chance favors the prepared vs deep fried honey coated chicken, a 12 pack of mountain dew & a workout routine that centers around vidoe game to play for 30 minutes a day.
by 30yearnole on Oct 27, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Makes sense
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Whats with GT's conditioning program?
They look terrible. I know you mentioned Miami’s lack of funding, Is it the same for GT? Can they not hire a decent S&C team?
I agree
Haven’t heard much said about it, but they looked eye-test awful.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
In what what way?
I haven’t really paid attention to them much.
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What what?
In the butt…
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Minimizing injuries is also due to
Jimbo’s practice rules of no tackling and no hitting below the waist, IMO. IIRC people were critical of Jimbo’s practice rules after the Oklahoma game… blaming our poor tackling on the no-tackling in practice rule.
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
Which of course is pure crap...
blaming FSU performance on D @ OU because of the practice regimen is beyond stupid. They got beat by superior talent, and an exceptional performance by Landry
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by BigSpearDiplomacy on Oct 27, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
While not the only reason they got beat, the really did miss alot of tackles
but have since been alot better so you can’t really say it’s because of practice.
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 27, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
SO you think if the two teams played again the result would be the same?
by Blue Horseshoe on Oct 27, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Much like you thinking FSU would pound Miami again
Cannot have it both ways.
But yeah, OU would beat FSU again.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 27, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Pancakes?
Pancakes.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 27, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Big Game Bob still knows our defense better than any other team in the country. fudge.
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and almost half the team was starting their first D1A game
… Norman is not the place to do this….
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
Ponder
Jimbo said in the radio interview posted yesterday that Ponder’s elbow was not an issue, which is good news. Just curious as to whether an inflamed bursa sac is something that can flare up and cause issues right before or during a game, or whether we can expect Christian to have his fastball all night tomorrow.
If he gets hit hard on the elbow again it can flame up again
He should have the strength and flexibility back to start the game, but he’ll just have to protect it.
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 27, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
that was via and interview I heard Ponder do Monday I think
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 27, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
an^
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 27, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
It is definitely an issue
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 27, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Fisher is lying.
Just like he did about Ponder not playing poorly against BC. Not that I mind the lies. I wish Ponder would’ve lied about his elbow swelling up again if he gets hit on it again.
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I think he was annoyed that the reporters missed the poor play of the receivers and the protection issues
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That's typical of "reporters" though.
But what did the receivers do poorly, aside from not wearing BC jerseys for Ponder to throw to? Ponder was straight up awful. I understand a coach protecting his player and I don’t mind. But as a fan, I’m going to call a spade a spade.
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Ran the wrong routes, didn't line up right, and had drops.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 27, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
So do you blame the offense on them or Ponder playing poorly?
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In order for the whole season
1. Receivers
2. Protection Issues
3. Ponder
For BC game only
Tie 1. Receivers & Ponder
3. Protection issues.
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Think about what has changed from last season.
I think it is obvious.
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Yea, Ponder can't stay healthy, his arm is weaker and he's making poor decisions.
That wasn’t the case last year.
I think it’s a complete copout to blame Ponder’s mediocre year on the receivers. And no, I don’t think they’ve had a good/great year, but Ponder’s been making errant passes and poor decisions all year, and that’s not on the receivers. If Ponder doesn’t trust his receivers, fine. But don’t throw it up for grabs and get it picked.
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I've been saying, all year, Ponder is part of the problem
It’s been frustrating as hell to watch because he is a fabulous QB. A player of his caliber should elevate the play of those around him and NOT contribute to poor team play. He’s salvaged A LOT with his legs, tough to make the passing attack work without any help though. My only real gripe with him is he never throws it away. I just want him to stop trying to will the passing game to work. Eat it, take off or throw it into the 3rd row and stop giving DBs/LBs opportunities for pics.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 28, 2010 7:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Is this a recent occurrence?
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 27, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 27, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
My friend hit me in the sac once... Once
by jimmygnole on Oct 27, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
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by O-Town Nole on Oct 27, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Omg, I nearly shat myself when I was watching that episode.
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Ball thrown by Jenn Sterger
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Oct 27, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Not only is she an FSU fan, incredibly hot, and classy under pressure...
She’s also got some arm strength, too.
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Buses loading up and heading to airport.
DUN DUN DUN. I blasted Wu-tang “Bring Da Ruckus” as I drove by.
Hey now, Wu-tang clan ain't nuthin to mess wif
ain’t nuthin to mess wif
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
Isn't Stork a GS/ RS Fr. this year?
Arguably 3rd year.
Just being combative :)
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
Stork
probably had more snaps in preseason too didn’t he? Or maybe about the same as Spurlock?
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 27, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Tailgate & Cover
Hey guys -
We’re primarilly a Big Ten blog, but we pick the Thursday night games – we’re 4-0 so far this season…
I’ve got FSU in an easy one tonight. NC State hasn’t seen a defense like you guys are bringing to the table. Check out the rest on my site: Tailgate & Cover
http://tailgateandcover.wordpress.com/
by tailgateandcover on Oct 28, 2010 9:28 AM EDT reply actions
Cool thanks.
Checked out the site. Hope you get to that 5-0 mark so FSU can get to that 5-0 mark in conference play.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 28, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess they're...
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by RiddickAndReynolds on Nov 1, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
...4-1 now
(and I’m a retard, apparently. Like I’ve never posted here before.)
I know it sucks to have lost that game, but it was a good one that came down to the wire. If Ponder doesn’t fumble there it’s game over for us…your tight end was wide-the-hell open.
Good luck to y’all the rest of the way. I still have y’all representing the Atlantic in the title game.
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